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This is what I do.
You do, you do, do PubLab things and you do conferences.
No, but yeah, we had the, there was like the, it was crazy, dude.
There was like the like the biggest syndicated national Mexico television thing yesterday.
It was wild. It was absolutely wild.
They're interviewing Francisco and then there was like people out the door, like at the white paper house.
It was insane. It was literally insane.
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Stacker News was a sponsor for the Yucatan, and we got Stacker News on Mexico TV now.
So there you go.
And then also, he talked about like PubLab in Austin.
He talked about Yopaki.
And then it got so big, and then the local news came.
Literally, the local news came later on, and they interviewed him.
So we had to slow down the conference.
And then it was busy.
It was way busier yesterday, but there was a lot of alpha today for the people that stayed.
but yeah when you do back to back conferences
it's hard to keep people's attention for two days
it really is but
today was all about the builders shipping
in Club Lab and there was a lot
of really good content that got shipped
and
the people in Club Lab did really well
so we'll talk about it more later
okay well that's great
to hear that things went well and
everyone's famous now apparently
in Mexico at least
they were like
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so maybe that's why they're subscribing who knows anyways uh we're gonna jump into the top
five stories of the week um yeah let's let's start with the number five is this the number
five top story that the the wallet one wos uh yes it is yes all right does wallet satoshi make
all user balances public via Spark.
This is in the Lightning Territory, October 8th, from Scoresby.
14 comments, 2,234 stats.
Key on.
Yeah, what's your take on all this that went down this week?
Yeah, so for people that don't know,
Wall of Satoshi left the United States, I don't know,
probably early 24.
There was a, I think it was around, it was, I don't know, it was like late 23.
They're just like, we're pulling out of the United States.
It's like they had talked to, they had gotten big enough and they started talking to lawyers
and lawyers told them, you know what, you're breaking the law in the United States, providing
a custodial wallet that allows people to send money to each other.
And so they pulled, they didn't really say all that, but they pulled out of the United
States likely for legal reasons.
and they continued operating elsewhere.
And then they started teasing a few months ago
that they were going to come back to the United States
in a non-custodial fashion,
meaning they don't have to comply with the same regulations
because they're not taking custody of people's money.
And most people figured they were going to use Spark
because Spark had been teasing similarly
that they had kind of, they had finished their Spark chain thing.
And then there were other just like kind of rumors swirling.
And so this week, Wall of Satoshi released on the app store,
on the app stores in the United States.
And you can now, in the United States, download Wall of Satoshi.
And it does have, in fact, or it is, in fact, using Spark.
The only problem that people noticed, either before or after they released, is that in
the invoices that pay to your wallet of Satoshi wallet, it allows, if you look at it closely
enough in the right way, it allows you to determine what their Spark address is.
And Spark has a public ledger, kind of like mempool.space, but for Spark chain.
You can go and look at that wallet of Satoshi users balance and all of their transactions, which is bad for privacy, hopefully for obvious reason.
So it's all been verified, Keon, or no?
Has it all been verified?
Yeah.
So we have the usual people like Justin.
He's been a big proponent against Spark.
It looks like you came in there and says, it's not the pub key that you look up.
You need to look at the route hints to extract the spark address.
Looks like Squirtz came in with Ben Cartman's tool.
What's Lightning Decoder?
Yeah, Lightning Decoder is just a website.
I think Zebedee, it's a website that Zebedee spun up many years ago.
Just a simple website where you can plug in a Bolt 11 and extract the details from it.
It doesn't show you enough information where you can get the Spark address.
You kind of have to go a little deeper in the invoice to get the Spark address out of
it.
Ben Karman made a tool that, like a really simple tool that extracts it.
And then shortly after this kind of came out or this was being discussed or Wallet of Satoshi
balances are public, other people chimed in and said that that's like a choice that
Wallet of Satoshi is making.
They don't have to do that.
Apparently in Breeze's implementation of Spark, they're not revealing the Spark address
and the invoices.
So for some reason, Wallet of Satoshi didn't opt out of that or opt in, I don't know.
So this is a Wallet of Satoshi decision, it sounds like.
is what you're saying.
I think it's like,
it's probably like a Spark default issue
is what I would guess.
And then while Satoshi didn't go out of their way
to help people maintain slightly better privacy,
even so, like, even so, I guess,
because there's this public explorer,
this mempool.space for Spark chain,
you can do, if I zap,
even if you're using a wallet
that obscures your Spark address,
I can zap you a pattern of zaps
at the right cadence, the right amounts.
And then I can go and I can look in the Spark Chain Explorer
and determine which Spark address is yours from that.
So even if I can't see it in the Bolt 11 address,
I can do timing analysis and figure out which is Carr's Spark address.
How much money is Carr sending to a sugar baby?
I don't have sugar babies, but thank you for...
Sure you don't.
You're famous in Mexico now.
I'm a one, I'm always been a one woman man, Keon.
That's just how I roll.
But I will say this though.
I mean, there's a couple takes I have on this,
but I would love to hear yours.
I mean, what's your take on all this?
Like, I think you know my take on this,
but yeah, go ahead.
Yeah.
Well, so what I'd guess,
what I'd guess is,
so there's a lot to say about this.
You could come at it from many angles.
A lot of, you know, you could take the angle.
Well, Spark is trying to comply.
and be as regulatory compliant as possible.
And what they're going to do
is they're going to sacrifice user privacy for that.
And that could be what's going on.
My less cynical take,
although I'm sympathetic to the take
where they are trying to comply in a regulatory fashion,
is I think they're just going to market with a UX
and seeing if that UX has product market fit
before they begin doing anything more
anything better than what it currently is.
So this is kind of their version
of a minimum viable product.
And then later,
if people really like this solution
for the Lightning Network,
I can imagine them perhaps making it more robust
and more private.
Although, you know,
maybe they don't ever have to do that
if they find that users don't care about it.
And it also helps their regulatory,
like arbitrage type of situation.
yeah i think i think uh i have a different take obviously it's going to be way different than yours
i think there's a couple things to this i think i think you're right i do think david marcus
you know came into the space to um to lead in this area when it comes to lightning and that's
what he's going to do the guy doesn't miss i mean he's he's ex-paypal he's ex-facebook and he's he's
talked in front of the Senate hearing when it came to Libra. He knows exactly what those roads
look like when he went down them last. And I think you're right. I think there is some sort of,
you know, maybe he sees some future regulatory hurdle. I'm sure he has his reasons as a CEO to
think for that. I see it as plain as day. And this is kind of where I've been telling people
for the past six to nine months in the lab is like,
I actually think David Marcus is coming in the Lightning Network.
He's trying to take over the whole thing.
He's trying to take over the whole pie.
And I think for the first time, I would say since the beginning,
I would say Jack Dorsey finally has a competition, right?
Like Cash App is the most popular app.
Everybody uses it.
and there hasn't really been a competitor outside of Strike.
And I think David Marcus is like,
no, I'm going to come in there and I'm going to take market share.
And not only am I going to take market share, I'm going to win.
And I think that's exactly what he's doing.
And I think he's approaching it the way he knows how.
And I think when you look at some of the work he's done
by getting Wallet of Satoshi,
that's some amazing biz dev work, right?
Like the fact that no one, I said this many times in the podcast, the fact that no one went to Wallet of Satoshi and closed that deal is just kind of surprising to me.
Maybe they did.
Maybe they didn't.
I don't know how that happened.
But yeah, it's just wild to me that that never happened before.
The other thing I want to mention is I do think it's really interesting that they took the Venmo approach.
Like clearly this is more like a Venmo move because Venmo doxes all your payments.
And one of the reasons why I don't use Venmo.
So I do think that is the approach he's going down.
And it's very, you know, it's an all likely possibility, Keon, where maybe he doesn't fix this and maybe he just sees it as Venmo.
And, you know, like I say in the lab, like he's going to do things all the way this way.
And I think most Bitcoiners are all the way on the other side. Right.
And then there's some people in the space that are taking the middle road.
And I think you can't take the middle road anymore.
You either have to be all the way this way or all the way this way.
There is no middle road anymore.
You trying to play the business strategy game of being in the middle is not going to work because this guy is playing for keeps out there.
That's my take on it, whether it's right or wrong.
But that's just kind of how I see it playing out.
And the other interesting thing just on the VC side is I don't think there's one Bitcoin VC that's backing LightSpark.
No, there are.
There are?
Okay. So, I mean, maybe if there's a VC that's listening to this, maybe they can, you know, nudge them a little bit and say, hey, this is not how we do things.
And maybe that will convince them, right?
But like you said, who knows where it lies?
Maybe it's on the Watt Satoshi side.
Maybe it's on the LightSpark side.
But it sounds like you're saying it's on the LightSpark side or the Watt Satoshi side.
So that's my take on it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's confusing because like from a regulatory perspective, they don't have to make everything public like this.
But in the case where they do come under regulatory scrutiny, it's really nice to say, well, you guys, you know, law enforcement, if you want to look this up, you can.
It's all public.
I mean, we're not trying to hide anything from you.
We're not trying to help criminals.
We're helping you.
We're exposing them to you.
You can find them.
Yeah, just they're out in daylight.
light. So I don't know. It could really go either way. But I think Wallet of Satoshi should
probably hide this from the Bolt 11s. I think it would help. This was the biggest surprise
to me. People have been breaking down over the last Lightning++ in Berlin. A lot of people
broke, there was a talk by Steve Lee where he kind of broke down what's like how Spark
is implemented and all the trade-offs they're making.
There's a lot to say that's kind of scary about that.
But the one thing I didn't realize was this privacy issue.
I thought it would be as private as Wallet of Satoshi was, which is like Wallet of Satoshi
knows everything about all of your spending habits and how much money you have, but no
one else does.
In this case, it's just completely public.
yeah i'll just say this because this is what i tell people in the lab that are coming to build
inside of club lab since the end of you know since the etf there's a different game being played right
now and i saw it when the internet came like i don't know if you remember tech tv and remember
when they're when like you remember that like i remember seeing it because i was i was still in
college right before i dropped out and i remember like the internet being this small little thing
and there was no big entrance.
Like there was no, there wasn't,
it wasn't that, it wasn't,
there wasn't any big companies using it.
And then all of a sudden,
like all the mainstream people came in
and all of a sudden they started buying up
all these companies and then some,
and it was the craziest thing.
I remember thinking like,
whoa, it just changed overnight,
like literally within a few years.
And it started off like one by one,
you would see these seasoned entrepreneurs
come over and they just straight dominate. And I remember that feeling when I saw that as a kid,
like it stuck with me because I saw it. I remember seeing it, like being in college
and like a class and like on the internet and seeing these like things. And I didn't really
understand that back then. But I remember the feeling of like, oh, wow, like something's changing.
like the internet is changing there's there's a there's there's this like it's not this it's not
the cool people that i would see like on these like tech tv and these other people talking about
the internet anymore like all these big media and these big like conglomerates are coming in and and
it was it was over at that point and and when i saw the light spark thing like i guess whenever
that happened like two or three years ago i remember thinking the same thing it was just like
and i listened to david marcus's podcast whenever he does a podcast i always listen to it
because I'm curious of how he thinks through things.
And there's no doubt in my mind that he's thinking the exact same thing
that he saw probably in the early days when he came on board
to some of these other companies.
He's just going to go out there and dominate.
And you can't be upset about that.
It's free markets, right?
So it's weird.
Like, that's why, like, I'm just always, this is why I'm so, like, open about collaborating with other businesses in the Bitcoin space.
And, like, being open about what we're working on and, like, sharing and helping other builders and building our own little kind of ecosystem and stuff.
Because this is why you shouldn't be battling other companies that are in this space.
Because these bigger companies are going to come and destroy you.
but you know
hopefully that doesn't happen
hopefully you know
he fixes that and we'll see
I think it's still early I don't think it's
as big of a deal the last thing I'll say is
like just talking to some of the people
here like Wallace Associates doesn't
even work here in Mexico so
it's just in the US and
most people in the US don't care
about
privacy anyway so
that's another thing. Most people still use
Cash App.
You guys can talk.
There no problem We were just talking about the Wazutoshi stuff Do you have a take on it Topher I already said my take
It's not self-custody?
Yeah.
Do you want to hear him, Kion?
He said it's not self-custody, I heard it.
Yeah, he said it's not self-custody, yeah.
Go ahead, Topher.
You can, did you want to say something?
All right, hang on, let me turn this on.
I guess it should be.
Yeah, that should be good. Say something.
Something.
Can you hear him?
Yeah, I can hear him.
Okay.
Wait, are you live right now?
Yeah, we're live.
Oh, yeah. No, you can't pass off your custody arrangement to another network and then just say, oh, you're self-custody.
Like our wallet is self-custody because we don't deal with the custody.
That's like not how that works.
so if you don't deal with the custody and somebody else deals with the custody then it's like well
is spark self-custody and i'm pretty sure spark is not self-custody like you're trusting them
to delete the keys that would otherwise give them control over your bitcoin so that's that's not
self-custody you're trusting one operator to delete to delete the key that's kind of that's
of some it's an it's somewhat nice in that you're not trusting all the operators to delete the key
but you're trusting that at least one of them of maybe how many i think there's only two right now
at least one of them deletes the key because i think uh it requires more than one key
i think it requires all keys to um spend the funds and so one of them if one of them deletes
the key than you're, than you are in self custody. But for that period of time where that key exists,
you are not. Um, but as soon as the key is brought into existence,
like if you're trusting them, so what you're trusting is that when the Bitcoin was transferred
to you that the key that allows the other party to, with the help of the operators,
spend your Bitcoin, that the operators, or at least one of the operators deleted the key.
But the thing is, is that those keys all existed together at one point in time. And you don't have,
you're not part of that arrangement and that arrangement still exists. So for you to say,
well, as long as I trust that somebody deleted the key, that it's self custody is like, well,
okay, but you're still, how do you trust that you have self custody? It's kind of,
it doesn't make any sense that you trust that you have. Yeah. Yeah. That's why Justin calls it
custodial. Um, I, I think it is trying to show up to bit devs or KYC and a custodial wallets
and thanking the heavens for them.
And I think I don't know how anyone who does that
can criticize a custodian that helps people, not KYC and stuff.
We now have another entry in the gradient of like from custodial to self-custodial.
And the reality is Bitcoiners do not want to run Lightning Notes.
Yet they want the settlement, the fast settlement of Lightning.
And I almost prefer a solution that doesn't have KYC and stuff to the custodial arrangements.
Yeah, I'm not even criticizing the technology.
I'm just criticizing the marketing.
because it's false marketing.
It's like when eCash,
when there were people in eCash
saying that eCash is self-custodial.
Even though they were backing up
all their eCash to the mints.
Yeah.
And you still need the permission of the mint
to spend your eCash.
For sure.
Yeah, I agree.
The marketing is pretty bad,
especially when you have a company,
like a big company,
like LightSpark is trying to market to a more general audience than just Bitcoiners,
they aren't going to get super nuanced on the terminology.
They're just trying to grab followers and customers potentially by saying the right magic words.
And, you know, marketing is always this weird gray area that is somewhat dishonest, unfortunately,
or can err on the side of dishonesty, which sucks.
But I think for most Bitcoiners, this isn't super confusing to them.
Lots of people make claims.
We see people make claims about decentralization in Bitcoin all the time when there isn't any.
Same with self-custody.
We had people criticizing.
You have a lot of people from Cash App criticizing the Spark people.
But then you have a lot of, you had a lot of the greater Bitcoin community criticizing the cash app people when they released BitKey because of BitKey's marketing.
That's what I was talking about last week, Keon.
It feels almost like business interest.
This is where I was saying that last week.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
There's literally nothing wrong with that.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I just think we just need to be
okay with that. It's the same fight that we're having with
Knott's and Core, right? Isn't that the argument with Knott's and Core?
Or no? That there's business interest behind them?
The Knott's
and Bitcoin Core argument has gotten so muddy
I don't even know what the argument is.
To me, it all feels the same
to me when I look at this.
It all feels very much the same.
And what happened to free markets, man?
If they win, then they win.
Like, what's wrong with that?
Like, I don't know what's wrong with that.
Is that bad?
No, but I think part of free markets is free speech.
And so if your competitor is lying to your customers,
you want to combat the lie.
And so you go out there and you combat the lie.
and you try to convince your customers that they're lying.
And I think that's fair too.
That's part of the free market.
Okay.
Then there's not, I don't know, like,
but free markets aren't sit back and let your customer,
let your customer get lied to.
Like that's not free markets.
It's also saying what it is.
It's business interest.
And I think calling that what it is, is okay too.
Like that's all I'm saying is like,
it's business interest and that's okay too.
Like just, it should just be transparent about it.
Like, you know, I think I think part of you can argue the motivation, like some of the energy behind the criticisms are come from are motivated by business interests.
But I don't think the criticisms are valid, like the technical, like the criticisms of marketing or the technical criticisms, they're all they're all valid.
I get that they're maybe a little more energetic because, you know, if they can really get people to understand the criticisms and maybe they lose fewer customers.
or game on customers.
Yeah, and I'm not defending, for the record,
because I think people think, oh, Kari's defending.
I'm not defending David Marcus or Spark
or anything like that.
I have no pony in this fight or pony in this race.
Why do they do pony races?
I'm just trying to make a really good clip right now
by talking the other side of the argument.
But also, at the same time, I'm trying to, you know,
just to explain that business interests
are a thing in Bitcoin.
And I think if I'm willing to say something,
And I think that's an important thing to say is there's,
Sackers, if you're listening, business interests do exist in Bitcoin and don't fall for it.
That's all I'm trying to say here.
There's one piece I'd leave you with.
All right.
Anyways, you got anything else, Topher?
That's related to this?
No.
I don't think that Spark is purposefully lying to people.
That's what Keyon said.
earlier. I think that it's, and I've, I've run into this personally, like, you know, you can
have honest engineers and I know Spark has honest engineers working for them. And you have honest
engineers that design a really fascinating product. And it's a product that has a complex custody
arrangement. And so you can try to explain it, document it, try to teach it to people like how
it works so that they understand what they're getting into. But at some point, it gets into the
hands of a marketer. And the marketer's like, oh, well, no one's going to understand this. So we're
just going to call it self-custody. And so I can imagine the engineers ripping their hair out like,
oh, well, no, it's not self-custody. But they're not the ones making the tweets. It's the marketers
making the tweets.
So, yeah.
So, like, I don't think Spark is malicious.
I don't think the engineers
are trying to do people. I think it's just
you know, they
built, like, a product with a
complex custody arrangement, and marketers
don't care to try to market
that or explain it. It's just easier just to say,
oh, self-custody.
Also, yeah, Tapcom?
People involved with Spark? Yeah.
Okay, cool. We can ask them then. Yeah.
That would be a good conversation to have.
You can ask the devs there.
Yeah.
I'm sure they're ripping their hair out like,
oh, no, don't call it that.
But they're not in charge of the tweets.
Maybe get one of them on.
Then we could really stay in our lane, Keon.
Oh, yeah.
We won't be able to say anything.
This is our lane, though.
The next top story is I couldn't buy it,
so I just made it.
It's from Hypno.
What is this?
what is that yeah it looks it looks like they made a uh like a like a seed uh metal seed plate
type system a metal seed storage system where you you you stamp out the seeds in
like english language i believe um that's cool yeah on these little plates that you then ring on
like a key ring you could throw that on a fishing pole no one would know yeah yeah you catch pretty
dope you catch some some pretty big fish some whales even i'm saying like you just throw those
on a fishing pole and no one would know yeah it's a it's a nice i mean you see a lot of these cool
solutions i don't i don't want to talk about another solution while while this we're probably
we're talking about this guy's things that i've seen a lot of really cool metal stamping things
that have come out recently that are like way different than the plate the like big plates
plates, the big two-dimensional plates that you would get in the past.
But yeah, so it looks like you, he basically had this problem where this is kind of the
solution that he wanted, and he couldn't find it out there, and then so he made it himself.
I guess he's located in Thailand.
He wanted to manufacture it in Thailand, couldn't find anyone locally in Thailand who would even
return his emails.
So they contacted China and got in a really good relationship with the manufacturers in
China and they ended up producing the sets for him.
And so you order a set from him.
I think it's like 55 US dollars and you get 13 of these.
Is it 13?
12?
Looks like there's 21.
I saw,
or maybe that's front and back maybe.
Yeah.
You get 14 of these metal seed plates that you can throw on a key ring.
And then you have like,
You have the holder for the letter puncher,
and you can punch your seed words into it,
and then you put it on the key ring,
and then you use one of these zip tie things to tie it together
and make sure it's held together.
That's Neato.
This is from Hypno.
Hypno, yeah.
Seed keys dot XYZ.
Oh, he's a new stacker.
interesting cool stuff yeah um really cool stuff uh let's jump into the next top story it is i'd
quicker abandon bitcoin go back to fiat this is from jason b october 6 32 comments 3 349 sets
kyan what's this yeah jason b is out in south africa as we discussed last episode um i guess
in south africa everyone uses whatsapp for their messaging app and jason b is a big whatsapp
critic or not a fan he refuses to download whatsapp but everyone he everyone he meets in
south africa wants to use it and so he's forced to like try to convince them to use something else
and they're all frustrated by it because they're like everyone's on whatsapp like the network
The work effect is so strong that people do not even want to consider switching because
they don't see a point.
And so this is where the title comes from.
I'd quicker abandon Bitcoin and go back to fiat than download and use WhatsApp.
It's like the rest of that sentence.
The mobile VPN company and they were snooping on Snapchat through some really interesting
engineering trip.
That's crazy, dude.
Yeah. Anyway, and then he kind of he ends the post by talking about her for Bitcoiners in a way that he's having to learn how to have empathy for South Africans who are using WhatsApp is like.
it's basically saying that
a lot of these people, they don't understand
the privacy trade-offs and they're maybe
a little too
taken by the current
trend of WhatsApp.
And so
him coming to terms with that is
helping him maybe see
the no-coiner is a different way.
That's interesting.
Really cool stuff.
The next top story is
vibe tools, not apps. This is from
Optimism, 12 comments,
12,500 sats. Keyon,
what's this?
Yeah, this is Optimism
arguing that
you should, if you're
using, if you're
vibe coding things, or
yeah, maybe you should not focus on
building an app for end users,
but making yourself a tool
that makes your life
easier.
He has a lot of really, I think,
good arguments in here that basically if you can make an app by just telling
chatGPT, say, to make an app, then so can pretty much anyone else.
And you shouldn't assume that you're going to be that differentiated in the
market and can maintain any kind of moat if anyone else can build the same
thing you built by just spending enough time talking to a chatbot.
It's like any other product in the real world.
It's the exact same thing.
You need to have a distinguishing factor.
You need to have some sort of thing that's unique to you, unique to your product.
I mean, you see this all the time.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, so he argues instead rather than like thinking about it that way where you're going to build an app and you're going to sell it to other people.
Use the tools for probably what they're best suited to.
And it's like building yourself small conveniences in the form of little programmatic automated tools that make your day-to-day easier.
And that is probably going to be, I think part of this is him looking towards the future.
And this is probably going to be the lasting impact of these tools is that you can make yourself bespoke solutions that are just perfectly well suited to you.
where you complain about Ecamm.
You can imagine a future
where you make the perfect Ecamm for car.
That's kind of what you do.
And there's another car out there
who makes the perfect Ecamm for them.
And so that's maybe the way to view these things
is it really just gives you the power to personalize.
Maybe at some point,
Pleb TV will be that maybe at some point,
but not right now.
I mean, I mean, that's I talked about it today at startup day.
You know, Club TV is just like an itch that I want to scratch, you know, you know, and
it's something that I do think like spatial computing is going to be a really big thing
and every company will need some sort of video platform, just like we see podcasting today.
That's going to be that big.
So everybody will need to do it.
I'm just somebody that always sees a little bit ahead of before others, unfortunately,
or fortunately however you see that um i wanted to bring up something here because we had a we
had a panel with hustle jim and ted that was our ai bitcoin panel and all three of those guys use ai
very proficient in it hustle's very proficient in it jim's very proficient in it
ted and i'm not going to attribute to who said this because i don't know which person said that
i don't actually remember but one of them said and i forget who said this but one of them said
it was hilarious one of them said well you know if if all these ai things these chat llms are
supposed to be you know and i would love to hear what your response would be this kian but like
if all and this is what they said they're like if all these chat llms are supposed to be like
helping us code you know we would fire them already like they would have already been fired
so you can't lean on them too much as far as uh i mean of course they're gonna get better over time
But if you look at them just like employees, like they would have gotten fired for being really bad at their job.
And so I just thought that was hilarious.
I think it got a chuckle from everybody in the room.
But what do you think about that statement?
Yeah, they definitely make mistakes and you have to like hold their hand through everything.
And, you know, if you had to do that with a normal employee, they wouldn't be worth much to you.
But it's worth much to what you're paying.
Would you fire them?
Not if they work for $200 a month.
Not if they did that level of work for $200 a month.
I'd keep them on.
I'd hire a few more of them.
And I think that's what we're all doing.
The value to cost is high.
The value might not be very high, but the cost is very low.
I think for what I do in my job with these LLMs, I couldn't live without it.
at this point, it's just as important as email.
You know, it's right there.
I don't know, how do you feel about it?
I find it very useful if I'm,
especially if I'm like doing something
that I don't wanna do or it's extremely tedious,
I will reach for these tools and use them And it is very helpful but they do make very naive mistakes that because and especially because you not paying a whole lot of attention while it like making the solution that it you
spend a lot of time trying to diagnose what's wrong. Like yesterday, I had I had to make this
query for me. And it made a it made a really naive error that I could not detect because I didn't
even imagine it was possible. It made that naive of an error. But even if I even as I asked it
several times and was like, I think the error is here.
It did not see. It was a simple
arithmetic thing.
I think the thing I hate
the most
is it
absolutely
and I don't do this
very regularly,
but I hate when I have to use it for speed
and
yeah, I hate that.
Absolutely hate it.
It helps you
go fast, but I hate when I actually have to use it to get things done faster. I don't like that.
I don't like that at all because it makes me sloppy. And yeah, that's what I would say.
Yeah, it's pretty boring. I mean, the other part of it is it's pretty boring. It's kind of like,
it's kind of like watching someone else do the job. Another way I like to think about it,
it's like trying to do your job over the phone where you like can't actually, hey,
G's there. Where you can't actually do it. What's up, G? You can't actually do anything yourself,
but you can tell people over the phone to do it for you. And you just have to watch them make
mistakes. And you're like, no, don't do that. Do this instead. No, no, no, no. Not like that. Like
this, like this. No, stop, please. And you're just trying to, it's like you're trying to program or
whatever you do with these tools over the phone. And it's just, it can be just mostly frustrating.
And that's another point that Optimism says in this post,
is that you're going to spend six months being kind of boring
because you're not really learning anything.
You're just kind of using these tools.
And then you're not going to be able to, like,
the problems that you didn't care enough to make
the solutions yourself, it's going
to have problems in the solution.
And then you're not going to be able to figure them out
without more AI help.
And so it's like, don't focus on vibe coding apps.
maybe focus on the tools for yourself.
And that's probably enough.
You should probably be happy with that.
You can make your life a little easier with these tools.
What do you think about that, Jay,
about the Vibe tools and the Vibe coding stuff?
I mean, reading this first paragraph.
Can you hear him, Keon?
Yeah, I can hear him.
Okay, cool.
Reading this first paragraph,
I mean, it kind of just looks like
what a lot of normies do in general,
let other people think for themselves.
But I mean, as far as being a tool to help out and, you know, pushing your work forward, I mean, I can see it being a good use case for that.
But if you're going to use it as like your your habitual crutch and it's going to be become your identity, I think that's where it starts becoming the problem.
Yep. 100 percent. I definitely agree.
Did you need to be more than your tools?
did you did you see the ai panel with uh tussle and jim and uh yeah do you remember what they said
about the like using it um using these tools i forget it was some good stuff i just forget what
they were saying about it there's some good alpha anyways let's jump into the next one uh the
incident i got scammed a few months back this is from another jason b1 bitcoin territory 33 comments
4,597 sats. Kion, what's this? Yeah, second week in a row that Jason B has two top stories
in the top five. This one is about the scam that made him change his NIM, which we covered last
week. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I actually don't recall the details too well, but I think he just mostly
was vaguely mentioning that he got scammed in some fashion that made him super concerned about
his OPSEC. And then he changed his NEM and stuff. But in this post, he actually
covers the scam, tells us a little bit about what happened in the scam. I guess
last week he wrote about looking for Bitcoin miners in South Africa because there are a lot
of solar installations and he wants to help South Africans subsidize the cost of the solar
installations and maybe make some Bitcoin in the process. So he was looking for Bitcoin miners for
them. And I guess he he went he was in Kanan's telegram group and someone in the Kanan telegram
group ran like promoted another telegram group that says they ship, you know, they ship Bitcoin
miners worldwide or they sell they sell and ship Bitcoin miners worldwide. And so he got he got in
that telegram chat and it turned out to be a scam. It sounds like what ended up happening was he
They had him send them Bitcoin and personal information about where to ship the Bitcoin miners and never shipped him anything.
He eventually reached out to the shipping company and confirmed that there was no such shipment pending or anything like that.
He said early on he noticed some red flags and wasn't going to follow through.
But he really wanted these miners, so he kind of kept going, even though he was a bit suspicious of it.
And I guess he then reached out to the feds about it and tried to get them to maybe investigate it all.
And he hasn't heard back from them yet.
And then he also reached out to Jameson Lopp because he was concerned that he had given these scammers so much information that they might come and wrench attack him.
But Jameson Lopp helped him kind of deescalate that fear by telling him that it's usually
they're usually different types of scammers.
And then I guess he's still he's still kind of waiting on the feds to do anything about
it.
But I think it seems like he's mostly made his peace with it.
He has a little bit of it gives a little bit of information at the bottom about the about
the scam and how and where like the money flows but they're pretty sure the money flows to a south
korean exchange um once the scam has been executed dang that's incredible uh gee you ever been scammed
before oh plenty of times really i mean i've lost some money in the past um like this though
not in this same fashion but in this whole uh ecosystem yeah i have lost money at times and
you know that's why i tell people a lot of the times i'm uh i'm here to help people so they don't
i had to lose money so you don't lose money and uh you know along with these i always tell people
take it as a lesson and not a loss now you know better and yeah just you know improve
Right on. I think that's true. I know a lot of people. So, I mean, even if they haven't been
scammed like this, where you're like sending people money to send you goods or anything,
and they don't send you the goods, a lot of Bitcoiners started out as like shit coiners.
And so they were definitely scammed into like meme coin stuff and all kinds of casino stuff,
which isn't much different. It involves someone lying to you to get your money.
and yeah it's like a bummer but i think jason the the thing the thing about some of these stories
is that is that someone like jason b is sophisticated and the red flags went off but
it like they didn't you know you get in a kind of state of mind where maybe you don't stop yourself
even though you can see the red flags going off in retrospect and so that's kind of that's kind
of scary. Like I remember Samson Mao from who used to be the CTO of Blockstream. He almost got he I
think he got he got one of those robocall like scams, the ones that June Seth has done podcasts
on where the guys convince him that they're like they work at Coinbase. And he ended up giving them
access to I think his his Gmail account or something. And that's like, you know, that's a
top tier bit a top tier bitcoiner um in in many circles um yeah so that's like the kind of that's
the scariest thing about a lot of these scams is like even if you're you know better if you're like
in the wrong state of mind oh gracias you can get scammed they pour the glass here for you kian
it's pretty crazy oh wow is that your mom she's this no it's uh he's uh he's the person that works
sir he's really nice thank you sir
gracias muchas gracias
I thought you were in a hotel room
I didn't realize you were just out
no this is like the
what do you call the Syria
that's all the five
top five stories of the week
gee tell everybody
what it's like been here in the Yucatan
yeah
no one's ever been to the Yucatan
very chill vibes down here
could see why they put a bitcoin
hub down here for sure
Food's good.
A little different from Texas.
Big pork guys out here.
Oh.
Yeah, but a lot of fresh ingredients.
The guac.
Guac is really good.
That guac is amazing.
Dude, give me some guac and give me some, like, what, ceviche?
Oof.
Yeah.
Yeah, tomorrow.
And then the beach is only, like, 30 minutes away.
So I'm going to go check that out.
You guys haven't been to the beach yet?
Okay.
Uh-uh.
How is the guac better?
I mean, the guac is pretty great in Texas, but the guac is not much better.
I think no seed oils.
Is that what it is?
They don't do seed oils in Texas.
In Texas, they don't do seed oils in most guacamoles, right?
Some of them, they'll chop it with mayonnaise or sour cream.
The eggs are good, too.
I had some eggs this morning.
Really good.
The beef?
It's just pork mostly.
No beef.
It's mostly pork.
The beef that we did try, yeah, it was in a fan.
It tastes good going down, but not a fan.
Okay.
Yeah.
That sounds pretty great.
Let's jump into this week in AI.
This is September 29th or October 5th from Optimism.
I didn't pick anything, but is anything here that stood out for you, Kia?
I just haven't had time.
Let me see.
I know Soro 2 got released.
that's
the big one from GMD
I don't know if you saw the
announcement
yeah
basically scared a lot of people
and it got people saying that
oh we're gonna get more AI slop
and the videos are done
I'm just like calm down people
there's a lot of really untalented
people out there this is not gonna
help them even more
this is for talented people
that are gonna take it to the next level
yeah these are for people i'm noticing the art creators you know what i mean like
and they're going to take it to another level they're not just gonna
you know there'll be funny mean stuff but yeah go ahead yeah i was gonna say that i've already seen
i've already been more fooled than i have in the past on social media by certain videos
so i would say it is it is heating up maybe the maybe they're it's not it's not doomsday yet
But it's getting close.
This reminds me of broadcast.com.
And this is how early we are.
I don't think people see where it's going.
I think where I see it going, I definitely see distribution levels to this.
The future that I see is a movie gets released in theaters.
Then it goes to these platforms.
And then it goes in a package to get remixed.
And then that remix gets created by creators.
and then that gets its own star in there.
Let's say G was in the next Mission Impossible 7 or whatever, right?
And he just replaces it with G.
And everybody who's a fan of G, they get to see G in the next Mission Impossible.
And I think that's kind of where it's headed.
You kind of already see that in the music space,
that you're able to remix these things.
And I think that's kind of where we're headed.
We're headed into that paradigm shift.
I think there's going to be even more of these deals going down.
and you're going to see the video
market.
They're going to close off first
and then all these people are going to steal their stuff
and they're going to remix it. They're going to run it through these things
and you're going to see all this cool, creative
stuff happen and then it's going to be
this really cool thing. I think once we
get the Apple
iPod that gives us
that cool product that gives us
the eyeglasses, Keon,
then we're there.
That's kind of how I see it
playing out.
but yeah i think i don't know i think i think i think a lot about this stuff i think a lot about
video and streaming and where film is going i think a lot about it probably too much i should
be thinking more about other stuff yeah that's fair i mean we all have our own our own interests
um i think the thing i think about a lot is like you know like i think you could when the gun was
coming out when the first guns were coming out you could maybe hear people making arguments about
like knives and swords and stuff and how guns are going to be very similar.
But then, and then, you know, and then as bombs come out,
we're making the same arguments that we made about guns, about bombs,
but then the nuclear bomb comes out and it's like a totally different thing.
We don't really make the same arguments about it. And, you know, technology,
you have to imagine there are some technology that's going to be so,
so transformative, so fast, you know, kind of like a nuclear,
kind of like a nuclear bomb that it's a totally different thing.
You can't talk about it using the past as your guide.
Yeah.
And, you know, AI might be that thing.
AGI might be that thing.
Maybe not these LLMs, but maybe something like AGI might be that thing.
And so I think it's worth being a little cautious about this stuff.
Although I don't think we're super close to AGI or anything.
I mean, I could definitely tell.
I don't know your eye, but I could definitely tell when a video is fake.
I can tell almost immediately.
Like we were just here at startup day and there was somebody who was showing me an image and they were like, I was like, oh, I was like, you need to fix this part because it's the AI.
He's like, he was like, oh, how did you know it was AI?
I was like, I can tell right away.
It was, and it looked flawless.
And I'm sure no one could tell, but I could still tell.
So I think, I think most people, I think most people aren't special.
No, I think most people can tell.
And I definitely think Gen Z can tell.
100%.
I think Gen Z can tell.
I think me, you, and most moomers can't tell.
All right.
Yeah, it's kind of like...
And you see that a lot with the millennials.
They're like, oh, it's going to destroy.
Like, no, it's not.
These Gen Zers, man, let them have this.
They don't have anything, man.
Let them have a video.
Let them have video, man.
I mean, what else?
We were talking about it today.
They don't even have Bitcoin.
Let them have video, man.
They can't have Bitcoin?
Why can't they have Bitcoin?
I mean, they're not adopting it.
Gee, what do you think about all this?
Who's right?
Me or Keon?
You can agree with Keon if you want.
Man, I don't even know if this whole thing's a simulation.
Is this all real?
It's Keon real.
Is that real?
Yeah, Keon.
Is this really you or your agent, LOL?
Yeah, I had one of Jim's agents too.
I knew it.
Study all of our podcasts, yeah.
You got any thoughts?
It's crazy.
Sometimes it gets me too.
Other people can see it off the bat.
So, yeah, I think you just got to keep your head on a swivel with all this still.
You know, question everything still.
the the bad one was uh i remember they did the jeff bezos landed or uh i don't know who it was
um i think it was the government they landed their spacecraft into the ocean and then it was all
um ai generated supposedly and then i couldn't tell but my stepdad could tell and he was like
man look how perfect the waves look and the parachutes they're flying perfect i didn't
notice at first but yeah then you sit and watch and it's like whoa it's a perfect day yeah i'm
waiting for somebody a startup in the ai space to do like a recreation of uh what was that 1924
broadcast where they they said there was a mars invasion or something they did this whole
you know radio broadcast or whatever i bet i can't wait for that that ai startup to do something like
that with this sort of thing but just all over the planet at once that's going to be cool
somebody's that's an idea for somebody out there
looks like we got uh oh let's jump into your you had a you had us you're gonna go okay cool
we have thanks for joining us g later g pleasure kian we have uh your story kian how to turn llm
nokio into a real boy yeah of course we wrote this um it's based he's basically helping us
understand how LLMs work by using the story of Pinocchio, which most people are familiar
with as they reach adult age. But you can kind of imagine Geppetto puts, rather than
Pinocchio being made purely out of wood, there's like a computer inside of Pinocchio's head.
And that's how he is thinking. That is the process by which he's thinking. And is he
really thinking how does geppetto get him to think more more realistically to be more effective at
being a boy is by if we're if he's training uh pinocchio to like imitate a bunch of other works
uh or like things that he's read or things that he's been trained on is that does that make him
real you know what what then it's kind of this progression of of geppetto trying to turn pinocchio
more and more into what Pinocchio wants,
which is to be a real boy,
and kind of steps you through the process
of making an LLM more like the LLMs
that we're familiar with.
And then it ends with the way many people think
that we'll achieve AGI,
which is where you, you know,
using Pinocchio's nose as sort of a sensor,
like it's like a feedback mechanism
from the real world is Pinocchio's nose,
where it gets broken.
His nose gets kind of bulbous and then eventually breaks and hurts him when he's wrong about
something, when he lies, when he has a hallucination like the LLMs have.
And so that's how some people imagine we get to AGI is by creating enough of Pinocchio's
nose on them.
Anyway, I thought it was a good post for anyone who enjoys metaphor.
I think it's a good post.
It also a good post if anyone is maybe not super technically deep into LLM stuff but want to learn more about them Yeah I thought it was good Cool Amazing It looks like Optimism dropped some some alpha in there
Definitely check that. Cool. The one I wanted to bring up was the the Breeze.
It's time to build. Breeze launches global developer challenge. Did you see
this key on yes please come in yes uh which one about the time to build time to build yep
yeah um yeah you turned me on to time to build stuff yeah we were we were talking with chris
yesterday and he was kind of going through the full stack and kind of the different options that
you can do we're talking about the prize pool so um looks like walahara uh hackerspace and walahara
is going to jump in.
And I think we got
Topher and some of the other builders in PlubLab are going
to jump in too as well. So we might have a battle
of the hackerspaces.
I'm going to talk to Steven next week and see if maybe
he's going to jump in.
They usually do because Alex and
Steven usually win these things.
We might see.
It actually might be
some really good stuff that turns out
from this. But 7k prize,
3,500,000
selected projects.
you also get a startup school residency in club lab so if you win that's an option if you want it
um and yeah it's a global effort it's really cool i met uh lisa from the tokyo bitcoin base
she's really cool person doing a lot of really cool stuff she's even doing her own kind of
startup too um so they're doing really cool things there it was great to meet her
um and then of course chris from walahara and then wesley from tampa bay was here um they just
moved into a really cool space. Kathy Wood, apparently, that apparently is just an office
in Tampa, but they moved into a really cool space there. So a lot of really cool people are involved.
It started on the 7th. We did a kickoff event here at the White Paper House.
And I think the biggest friction point that we had, and I told Danny this, I emailed him, but
the biggest friction point that we had is that you had to go to the contact form and then you had to
input some information to get emailed API keys.
And I think that was a big friction thing.
So that definitely stopped some things because they were building.
And then when that happened, that was like they stopped.
So that's, as you know, as a builder, that's, yeah.
Anyways, but anyway, but he's, and they do have like a whole chat group.
So you could just jump in there.
But yeah, the submission deadline is the 15th.
So you literally have a month to build if any stackers are out there.
Keon is a judge.
And so is Lisa and Roy from Breeze and some other people.
Kevin, we were talking about LightSpark earlier.
And Jeff Booth, Keon's best friend.
And Giacomo, another person that Keon's really close with.
So there you go.
A lot of people that Keon's like really best friends with.
That I've never met, but we are tight.
The only people I know are Lisa and Roy.
Everybody else, I know Jeff, but I only met him twice.
He's a really nice guy.
I've only met Lisa.
I think that's the only person I've met from all the channels.
Pretty cool.
Yeah, if you want to check it out, check it out.
The other thing I wanted to bring up was Startup Day, day one.
I posted a lot of pictures there from Startup Day on day one.
It was really fun, all the camera crew.
They have gelato there.
I didn't even tell you.
They have gelato.
really like they're really good gelato i've never had gelato before but they have a gelato bar
inside the thing it was nuts yeah tiramisu put the gelato three thumbs up if i had three thumbs
um but yeah really cool play it was cool this little kid he wants to be like francisco
isn't that amazing isn't that cool you like want to take yeah i can't francisco
oh i can't see that oh you can't see it oh but dude francisco's turning into the jack
mallers of latin america it's crazy i've always said that but i think it's official at this point
like there's little kids that want to get it there's little kids that want to be like francisco
um but anyway and then there's like the television crew and really good group there it was fun
there's a and then we also did a time to build presentation but the internet was uh it was just
too many people so we got cut off and then we tried going live again and then i posted it again
here so if you want to watch me and chris talk about all sorts of crazy stuff we go we go on for
like 56 minutes but uh it was good it was really good stuff um and then the last thing i want to
mention is today's day two i just posted some more pictures i'm going to post some more here
in a second but um justin our friend justin shock net he dropped uh he dropped c-link uh you can run
a lightning note in under a minute so that got dropped today and he literally dropped did it in
under a minute it was cool to see uh that's that's the wild hustle right there he had shoes that said
runster on it and shorts, dude.
It was crazy.
He's so cool. He's probably the
coolest person in Club Lab, honestly.
Sorry, Keon, you're no longer
the coolest person.
Oh, it definitely was never the coolest person.
I would say probably...
Do we even have a cool person?
I would probably think it's Club Devs.
I would say it's Club Devs.
Yeah, he's pretty cool.
He knows he's cool. He doesn't come on
saccharinies anymore. He's like, I'm too cool for you guys.
Yeah.
He's got my grant.
I'm killing.
He's a dev fluencer.
He's too big for us.
But anyway, day two is really amazing.
But yeah, check it out, Staggers, if you're interested.
We weren't able to record it, unfortunately.
At least I don't think we did.
But yeah, that's why you got to do these.
You had to come to these events live.
I mean, that's why it's good to come out to these.
Yeah, especially the small ones.
The ones that haven't gotten big yet.
Yeah.
If we had more money, then we probably could have.
If we had more sponsors, then we probably could have recorded it,
but we just didn't have the sponsorship to do it.
And the last thing we're going to bring up is Pleb Poets Zine.
What's this?
What's this, Ian?
Yeah, this is the 28th Zine.
I think we skipped 27, but this is the Zine for this week.
after a short break.
And there's a puzzle in it.
And we have one classified ad.
It looks like the Agora folks have recreated
the Lightning Store t-shirt that we had.
And so you can buy that from them.
Yeah, but that is the new zine.
And you can also buy all, I think, a collector pack of 20 zines.
I don't know why it's not all the zines.
but you can buy a collector pack of 20 for 50 000 sats um and was like man
stacker news offline and then i think it was i forget who it was i think it was undisciplined
he said you should have just brought a zine with you man and i was like duh i should have brought
a zine i didn't even think about it like it never and there was like so many on ek's desk i could
I just brought him.
Yeah, that's kind of dumb of me not to ring a zine
at all as a backup.
This is... Don't be like
me. Don't be like me, Stackers.
If you're going on travel,
on a trip,
take a couple zines
with you and you still get stacker news
on the flight.
Something to read.
I was literally like
couldn't even get in the airport. I was so sad.
You don't
bring books when you travel?
I usually just on my phone
usually on my phone
listen to music and then I'll check out
Sacker News and talk crap
I like talking crap on Sacker News
it's my only social media
I haven't been on this week because I've just been too busy
but usually on there
talking crap
I'm either doing that or doing work
you know
cool
the other thing I should mention because
we're going to be at TAPCOMF next week
Pep Poet
sent me the cover for the DVDs
so I'm flying back
on Sunday Keon so I'll see you
I don't know if I'll see you Sunday but I'm going to
pick up the DVDs
and then I'm going to take them
with me to TAPCOMF
but
what was I going to tell you
so the DVDs
will be there, DVDs are
are done. I need to burn
them on demand.
But if you're interested
in getting the SNL DVD,
then find me
at TapComp and we'll have some at the
table.
They look
really cool. Do you have anything to say after
did we record it last week? Did we talk about this
last week? I don't remember.
I think
we did talk a bit. Didn't we film the
commentary last week?
Yeah, I did. We did. Yeah. Yeah. After a week.
Oh, I thought it was, I thought it was fun. It was fun looking back at everything.
We kind of were talking a bunch during the commentary.
So I didn't really get to watch it, watch it.
But I thought it was fun.
Like a lot of moments that I only like vaguely remembered.
I got to see fully again.
and yeah
it was a blast
and I'm surprised
it was so long ago
it was several years ago
especially because it's like the first
100 videos and we're like what in 300 now
or so almost
we're at 192 we're about to
get to 200 or 193 we're about
to get to 200
we're closing in
we're closing in on 200
but yeah
it was uh we're gonna have those for sale so if you guys are interested in buying them
come find us at the table we'll have some swag and uh kian you're gonna be at the desk you're
gonna be at the stacker news desk i will be at the table uh as long as i can stand it which
might not be very long but really i mean you know me i like to hide i like to go to conferences and
go to talks and hide so i'll just like are you gonna like not hang out there the whole time
uh not the whole time certainly not the whole time so you're actually gonna just abandon book
books will be one there no i won't abandon book we have some other folks that are going to be there
okay so yeah so you're gonna are you gonna make at least like a couple debuts there are you gonna
come in for like you know an hour spells at least um i don't i don't really have any plans with
regard to it. Look at this guy.
You see what I'm dealing with
stackers? This diva.
It's not a diva thing.
It's like I just don't
like being
uncomfortable
for too long.
Anyway, we'll see.
We'll see. I'll try to convince some stackers.
I'll try to convince them to do 30 minute
blocks. Maybe if I
drag them and then me and him both be there
I'll make them more comfortable.
I use some of my tiz whispering to
to convince them.
Calm me down.
I'll be there most of the time
at the table, so you can come find me there.
And then we're going to do
Saccharides Live next Thursday, right?
On a Thursday?
So we'll do that around.
I think I have a panel in the morning,
and then I think we're going to do it around 1 o'clock, 1.30.
And then we'll do it
live from there.
Hopefully we have internet.
If we don't, it's just going to be a local recording,
and then we'll upload it later at the hotel or something.
Or at the Airbnb.
Club B&B.
And then, yeah.
It's going to be a fast week.
What else do we got?
Oh, yeah.
We got to do the top cowboys, right?
That's right.
People will be really disappointed.
Top cowboys.
Who's the top cowboy today?
Oh, it's Siggy47.
What do you know?
it's always Siggy47.
Every week it's Siggy47.
Ted, every week.
I don't know what's going on with Siggy.
Maybe there's 47
Siggy's, you think?
Is that what you're saying? Here, you want the mic?
Ted says there's 47
Siggy's, he thinks.
Oh, that's not a bad
guess.
He's getting pulled in.
I'm getting pulled in for my extremely important comment here.
There's actually 47
Siggy's. That's my contribution
to this stacker news live.
What are you guys doing out there?
What did you guys do
once I've been recording?
I've packed because my flight is at
7 a.m. I thought it was at 8 a.m.
So luckily I checked and it's actually at 7 a.m.
Which means I need to wake up around
3.40 a.m.
Oh, wow.
Which is a tricky time to be waking up.
How long is it going to take you
to get to the airport?
I think it's 30 minutes.
So let's say I leave at 4.
Get there at 4.30.
Wow.
Flight board's at 6.20.
Wow.
So that's about two hours.
Are you going to smuggle anything?
Yeah, I have a couple Mexican children.
That were pretty cute.
I have some tortillas I'm going to try to bring across the border.
We'll see if they let it take them.
They're that good, the tortillas?
Dude, they were really good.
Wow.
They'll probably stop me.
What are they doing?
We'll see.
kian you want anything i don't know i mean like look at this videotape and say we heard you say
this yeah that's right i guess i can't i don't know like a kilo of cocaine maybe oh yeah that's
just a gift oh that's not possible they don't have that here it's actually a really safe right
not really safe town yeah it's like more like a meth thing or like uh no it's a really safe
video that's like really safe it's like there's a university here and it's really safe yeah
okay but that could be the drug money making it safe i don't think so i mean how what do you think
ted is it this is amazing totally changed my perspective on mexico when i first arrived i
look i'm looking at the sidewalks are all like kind of beat up sidewalks i'm like uh this doesn't
look like a very nice place like 30 minutes of walking around outside i'm like this is really
nice and there's something about the beat up sidewalks i kind of like now it's weird it's like
i don't know there's something nice about it it's like the sidewalks aren't trying to impose
themselves on the road they're kind of just chilling way to look at it did you were you
surprised that when you you look at the outside it's not what it is on the inside the inside is
amazing like these buildings are so cool this uh bitcoin space that we went to uh it's kind of like
i would almost say it's four stories that's a good way to put it because they've got two different
stories of uh rooftop it's only you can almost argue it's five stories i mean the in the inside
the second story has two like it's like a half story so they got a couple half stories
super nice bright colors inside like actually a very large uh place when you start exploring it
it's it's mayan right is that what it is it's a mayan uh style style i have no idea everything's
really tiny here like it's um like everything's tiny it's kind of cool being a giant in a small
country or a small area i feel like what's tiny huh what do you mean what's tiny like doorknobs
The doorknobs are tiny.
The doors are tiny.
The toilets are tiny.
Yeah, because they're made for small people.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, it's really cute, though.
It's really cute.
It's like Hobbitville.
But it's in a cute way.
I like it because I'm just the same size as that brother.
Me and G are kind of like...
Me and G are like walking around.
We're like, is it uncomfortable for you?
I'm like, no, it kind of just feels like we're NBA players.
my buddy is 6'8
and he traveled to
I think it was like Laos or someplace
the people were very short there
in Laos like the average
man is like 5'3
and he's 6'8
and he was a celebrity
he was actually like he couldn't get anywhere
because everyone just wanted to selfie with him constantly
yeah
it's really cool
yeah so we got
Kube number 2 undisciplined blockchain
Boog, Ray Ruby, Coins Reporter.
I don't think anything's changed.
Optimism.
I don't think so either.
Yeah.
Looks pretty normal.
Key on.
What are you doing this weekend?
I'm not doing a whole bunch, I don't think.
Yeah.
Normal stuff.
You know, being boring.
Making sure I don't have any fun.
Which is getting easier as time goes on.
It used to be kind of a struggle to be as boring as I am.
But I've really gotten it down now.
and I'm just, I can just do nothing with ease.
So it's a skill issue for most people
that I've managed to really handle well.
So yeah, that's what I'm doing.
What are you up to this weekend?
You're traveling alone, aren't you?
Yeah, Ted, what are you up to this weekend?
I've got a very exciting weekend.
I am, my mother is an artist.
In kind of retirement, she became an artist.
That's her thing now.
So she is a botanist.
She draws flowers.
and she's gotten so good at drawing flowers that she's going to an award ceremony where
uh yeah she's getting an award and that's in new orleans so i'm flying from here to new orleans
they're all going to be partying on the beach on boats and all this stuff i'm gonna be with my
my parents uh going to my mom's thing for two days and then i'm gonna fly to tab conf
so tofer is probably gonna beat me to the airbnb at tab conf but i'll arrive kind of later on
Monday. I miss Monday, but I'll be there for the rest of it.
Yeah.
Congrats to your mom.
It's pretty good.
Is she giving out art?
Can you bring
some art back for the lab?
It's probably expensive.
I imagine, right?
She's winning awards.
It is good art. I've hung a bunch
in my apartment.
It's pretty good.
She was on the news recently.
Interesting.
Wow, looking forward to seeing pictures of that.
I'm going to be partying tomorrow.
And then on Sunday, I've got to travel back and then probably go to ACL.
We'll see.
We're going to see if we can get in there this time.
Probably take one of my normal, normie friends.
So you're going to go to Austin and then to TabConf?
Yeah.
Busy, busy.
Busy, busy, busy.
Should be fun.
Stackers, have yourself a great weekend.
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