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live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live

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hello ladies and welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live my name is car with

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my BFF from the Yucatan.

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Baby!

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Keon!

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How's it going?

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It's going.

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In Austin, Texas.

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It's going pretty good.

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Is that how they say Texas there?

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No, but everybody in this town knows who Pleb Lab and Austin is now at this point because

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we're famous.

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We are worldwide famous.

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Sacker News is officially in the Yucatan.

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You're welcome.

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Oh, wow. That's great.

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Do you have like women coming up?

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I brought stickers.

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I brought stickers.

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Plaster that everywhere. There you go.

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Okay.

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This is what I do.

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You do, you do, do PubLab things and you do conferences.

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No, but yeah, we had the, there was like the, it was crazy, dude.

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There was like the like the biggest syndicated national Mexico television thing yesterday.

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It was wild. It was absolutely wild.

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They're interviewing Francisco and then there was like people out the door, like at the white paper house.

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It was insane. It was literally insane.

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All the sponsors got got famous. So there you go.

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Stacker News was a sponsor for the Yucatan, and we got Stacker News on Mexico TV now.

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So there you go.

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And then also, he talked about like PubLab in Austin.

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He talked about Yopaki.

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And then it got so big, and then the local news came.

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Literally, the local news came later on, and they interviewed him.

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So we had to slow down the conference.

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And then it was busy.

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It was way busier yesterday, but there was a lot of alpha today for the people that stayed.

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but yeah when you do back to back conferences

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it's hard to keep people's attention for two days

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it really is but

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today was all about the builders shipping

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in Club Lab and there was a lot

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of really good content that got shipped

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and

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the people in Club Lab did really well

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so we'll talk about it more later

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okay well that's great

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to hear that things went well and

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everyone's famous now apparently

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in Mexico at least

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they were like

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all the places to be

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El Stacker News?

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Is that how you'd say it?

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I don't know. We have to ask Francisco.

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Is it El Stacker News or

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Z Stacker News?

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Or Z Stacker News?

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I don't know. I guess it would be El Stacker News.

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Yeah, El Stacker News.

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But is it

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Stacker?

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You want the Spanish. What is Stacker in Spanish?

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What is News in Spanish?

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I don't know.

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I don't know what it would be.

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Interesting. If you've never seen this crazy show

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before it's called Stacker News Live.

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We keep telling you guys to unsubscribe,

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but you guys don't unsubscribe.

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You guys are actually subscribing, and it's wild.

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So last week, I think we had like 438 or 37 subscribers,

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and then people subscribed.

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It's dumb.

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Stop subscribing.

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You're going to silence me and Keon by subscribing.

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Right, Keon?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, it's bad.

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We'll have to tell the truth.

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and because you you can say the truth or you can you can say the truth as long as you're not popular

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so we'll have to start lying to everyone that's kind of the big the big problem that we have

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let's start talking about the etfs and tether treasury companies treasury companies macro

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stuff will probably get really big on macro yeah i'll be like the next in alden probably

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I'll be pressing fish probably

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I got the jaw

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I'm so glad they don't watch the show

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but yeah last week we had a

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silent payments for Bitcoin

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that was a really good conversation we had

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and that one got clipped by Wumble

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and he literally

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had like 123 views

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so I think they're subscribing because they like the alpha

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that we're dropping

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obviously I bought a sticker with Bitcoin

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that left for the game one

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he clipped that no one cares about that so uh i think the people like the technical stuff honestly

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so maybe that's why they're subscribing who knows anyways uh we're gonna jump into the top

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five stories of the week um yeah let's let's start with the number five is this the number

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five top story that the the wallet one wos uh yes it is yes all right does wallet satoshi make

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all user balances public via Spark.

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This is in the Lightning Territory, October 8th, from Scoresby.

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14 comments, 2,234 stats.

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Key on.

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Yeah, what's your take on all this that went down this week?

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Yeah, so for people that don't know,

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Wall of Satoshi left the United States, I don't know,

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probably early 24.

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There was a, I think it was around, it was, I don't know, it was like late 23.

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They're just like, we're pulling out of the United States.

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It's like they had talked to, they had gotten big enough and they started talking to lawyers

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and lawyers told them, you know what, you're breaking the law in the United States, providing

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a custodial wallet that allows people to send money to each other.

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And so they pulled, they didn't really say all that, but they pulled out of the United

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States likely for legal reasons.

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and they continued operating elsewhere.

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And then they started teasing a few months ago

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that they were going to come back to the United States

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in a non-custodial fashion,

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meaning they don't have to comply with the same regulations

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because they're not taking custody of people's money.

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And most people figured they were going to use Spark

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because Spark had been teasing similarly

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that they had kind of, they had finished their Spark chain thing.

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And then there were other just like kind of rumors swirling.

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And so this week, Wall of Satoshi released on the app store,

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on the app stores in the United States.

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And you can now, in the United States, download Wall of Satoshi.

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And it does have, in fact, or it is, in fact, using Spark.

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The only problem that people noticed, either before or after they released, is that in

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the invoices that pay to your wallet of Satoshi wallet, it allows, if you look at it closely

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enough in the right way, it allows you to determine what their Spark address is.

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And Spark has a public ledger, kind of like mempool.space, but for Spark chain.

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You can go and look at that wallet of Satoshi users balance and all of their transactions, which is bad for privacy, hopefully for obvious reason.

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So it's all been verified, Keon, or no?

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Has it all been verified?

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Yeah.

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So we have the usual people like Justin.

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He's been a big proponent against Spark.

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It looks like you came in there and says, it's not the pub key that you look up.

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You need to look at the route hints to extract the spark address.

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Looks like Squirtz came in with Ben Cartman's tool.

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What's Lightning Decoder?

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Yeah, Lightning Decoder is just a website.

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I think Zebedee, it's a website that Zebedee spun up many years ago.

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Just a simple website where you can plug in a Bolt 11 and extract the details from it.

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It doesn't show you enough information where you can get the Spark address.

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You kind of have to go a little deeper in the invoice to get the Spark address out of

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Ben Karman made a tool that, like a really simple tool that extracts it.

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And then shortly after this kind of came out or this was being discussed or Wallet of Satoshi

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balances are public, other people chimed in and said that that's like a choice that

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Wallet of Satoshi is making.

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They don't have to do that.

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Apparently in Breeze's implementation of Spark, they're not revealing the Spark address

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and the invoices.

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So for some reason, Wallet of Satoshi didn't opt out of that or opt in, I don't know.

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So this is a Wallet of Satoshi decision, it sounds like.

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is what you're saying.

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I think it's like,

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it's probably like a Spark default issue

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is what I would guess.

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And then while Satoshi didn't go out of their way

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to help people maintain slightly better privacy,

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even so, like, even so, I guess,

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because there's this public explorer,

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this mempool.space for Spark chain,

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you can do, if I zap,

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even if you're using a wallet

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that obscures your Spark address,

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I can zap you a pattern of zaps

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at the right cadence, the right amounts.

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And then I can go and I can look in the Spark Chain Explorer

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and determine which Spark address is yours from that.

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So even if I can't see it in the Bolt 11 address,

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I can do timing analysis and figure out which is Carr's Spark address.

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How much money is Carr sending to a sugar baby?

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I don't have sugar babies, but thank you for...

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Sure you don't.

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Sure you don't.

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You're famous in Mexico now.

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I'm a one, I'm always been a one woman man, Keon.

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That's just how I roll.

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But I will say this though.

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I mean, there's a couple takes I have on this,

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but I would love to hear yours.

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I mean, what's your take on all this?

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Like, I think you know my take on this,

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but yeah, go ahead.

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Yeah.

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Well, so what I'd guess,

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what I'd guess is,

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so there's a lot to say about this.

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You could come at it from many angles.

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A lot of, you know, you could take the angle.

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Well, Spark is trying to comply.

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and be as regulatory compliant as possible.

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And what they're going to do

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is they're going to sacrifice user privacy for that.

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And that could be what's going on.

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My less cynical take,

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although I'm sympathetic to the take

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where they are trying to comply in a regulatory fashion,

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is I think they're just going to market with a UX

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and seeing if that UX has product market fit

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before they begin doing anything more

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anything better than what it currently is.

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So this is kind of their version

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of a minimum viable product.

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And then later,

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if people really like this solution

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for the Lightning Network,

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I can imagine them perhaps making it more robust

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and more private.

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Although, you know,

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maybe they don't ever have to do that

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if they find that users don't care about it.

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And it also helps their regulatory,

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like arbitrage type of situation.

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yeah i think i think uh i have a different take obviously it's going to be way different than yours

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i think there's a couple things to this i think i think you're right i do think david marcus

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you know came into the space to um to lead in this area when it comes to lightning and that's

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what he's going to do the guy doesn't miss i mean he's he's ex-paypal he's ex-facebook and he's he's

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talked in front of the Senate hearing when it came to Libra. He knows exactly what those roads

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look like when he went down them last. And I think you're right. I think there is some sort of,

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you know, maybe he sees some future regulatory hurdle. I'm sure he has his reasons as a CEO to

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think for that. I see it as plain as day. And this is kind of where I've been telling people

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for the past six to nine months in the lab is like,

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I actually think David Marcus is coming in the Lightning Network.

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He's trying to take over the whole thing.

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He's trying to take over the whole pie.

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And I think for the first time, I would say since the beginning,

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I would say Jack Dorsey finally has a competition, right?

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Like Cash App is the most popular app.

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Everybody uses it.

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and there hasn't really been a competitor outside of Strike.

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And I think David Marcus is like,

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no, I'm going to come in there and I'm going to take market share.

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And not only am I going to take market share, I'm going to win.

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And I think that's exactly what he's doing.

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And I think he's approaching it the way he knows how.

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And I think when you look at some of the work he's done

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by getting Wallet of Satoshi,

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that's some amazing biz dev work, right?

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Like the fact that no one, I said this many times in the podcast, the fact that no one went to Wallet of Satoshi and closed that deal is just kind of surprising to me.

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Maybe they did.

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Maybe they didn't.

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I don't know how that happened.

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But yeah, it's just wild to me that that never happened before.

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The other thing I want to mention is I do think it's really interesting that they took the Venmo approach.

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Like clearly this is more like a Venmo move because Venmo doxes all your payments.

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And one of the reasons why I don't use Venmo.

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So I do think that is the approach he's going down.

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And it's very, you know, it's an all likely possibility, Keon, where maybe he doesn't fix this and maybe he just sees it as Venmo.

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And, you know, like I say in the lab, like he's going to do things all the way this way.

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And I think most Bitcoiners are all the way on the other side. Right.

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And then there's some people in the space that are taking the middle road.

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And I think you can't take the middle road anymore.

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You either have to be all the way this way or all the way this way.

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There is no middle road anymore.

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You trying to play the business strategy game of being in the middle is not going to work because this guy is playing for keeps out there.

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That's my take on it, whether it's right or wrong.

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But that's just kind of how I see it playing out.

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And the other interesting thing just on the VC side is I don't think there's one Bitcoin VC that's backing LightSpark.

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No, there are.

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There are?

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Okay. So, I mean, maybe if there's a VC that's listening to this, maybe they can, you know, nudge them a little bit and say, hey, this is not how we do things.

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And maybe that will convince them, right?

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But like you said, who knows where it lies?

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Maybe it's on the Watt Satoshi side.

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Maybe it's on the LightSpark side.

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But it sounds like you're saying it's on the LightSpark side or the Watt Satoshi side.

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So that's my take on it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think it's confusing because like from a regulatory perspective, they don't have to make everything public like this.

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But in the case where they do come under regulatory scrutiny, it's really nice to say, well, you guys, you know, law enforcement, if you want to look this up, you can.

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It's all public.

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I mean, we're not trying to hide anything from you.

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We're not trying to help criminals.

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We're helping you.

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We're exposing them to you.

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You can find them.

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Yeah, just they're out in daylight.

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light. So I don't know. It could really go either way. But I think Wallet of Satoshi should

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probably hide this from the Bolt 11s. I think it would help. This was the biggest surprise

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to me. People have been breaking down over the last Lightning++ in Berlin. A lot of people

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broke, there was a talk by Steve Lee where he kind of broke down what's like how Spark

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is implemented and all the trade-offs they're making.

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There's a lot to say that's kind of scary about that.

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But the one thing I didn't realize was this privacy issue.

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I thought it would be as private as Wallet of Satoshi was, which is like Wallet of Satoshi

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knows everything about all of your spending habits and how much money you have, but no

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one else does.

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In this case, it's just completely public.

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yeah i'll just say this because this is what i tell people in the lab that are coming to build

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inside of club lab since the end of you know since the etf there's a different game being played right

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now and i saw it when the internet came like i don't know if you remember tech tv and remember

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when they're when like you remember that like i remember seeing it because i was i was still in

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college right before i dropped out and i remember like the internet being this small little thing

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and there was no big entrance.

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Like there was no, there wasn't,

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it wasn't that, it wasn't,

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there wasn't any big companies using it.

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And then all of a sudden,

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like all the mainstream people came in

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and all of a sudden they started buying up

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all these companies and then some,

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and it was the craziest thing.

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I remember thinking like,

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whoa, it just changed overnight,

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like literally within a few years.

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And it started off like one by one,

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you would see these seasoned entrepreneurs

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come over and they just straight dominate. And I remember that feeling when I saw that as a kid,

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like it stuck with me because I saw it. I remember seeing it, like being in college

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and like a class and like on the internet and seeing these like things. And I didn't really

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understand that back then. But I remember the feeling of like, oh, wow, like something's changing.

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like the internet is changing there's there's a there's there's this like it's not this it's not

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the cool people that i would see like on these like tech tv and these other people talking about

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the internet anymore like all these big media and these big like conglomerates are coming in and and

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it was it was over at that point and and when i saw the light spark thing like i guess whenever

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that happened like two or three years ago i remember thinking the same thing it was just like

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and i listened to david marcus's podcast whenever he does a podcast i always listen to it

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because I'm curious of how he thinks through things.

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And there's no doubt in my mind that he's thinking the exact same thing

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that he saw probably in the early days when he came on board

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to some of these other companies.

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He's just going to go out there and dominate.

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And you can't be upset about that.

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It's free markets, right?

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So it's weird.

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Like, that's why, like, I'm just always, this is why I'm so, like, open about collaborating with other businesses in the Bitcoin space.

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And, like, being open about what we're working on and, like, sharing and helping other builders and building our own little kind of ecosystem and stuff.

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Because this is why you shouldn't be battling other companies that are in this space.

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Because these bigger companies are going to come and destroy you.

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but you know

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hopefully that doesn't happen

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hopefully you know

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he fixes that and we'll see

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I think it's still early I don't think it's

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as big of a deal the last thing I'll say is

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like just talking to some of the people

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here like Wallace Associates doesn't

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even work here in Mexico so

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it's just in the US and

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most people in the US don't care

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about

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privacy anyway so

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that's another thing. Most people still use

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Cash App.

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You guys can talk.

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There no problem We were just talking about the Wazutoshi stuff Do you have a take on it Topher I already said my take

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It's not self-custody?

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Yeah.

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Do you want to hear him, Kion?

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He said it's not self-custody, I heard it.

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Yeah, he said it's not self-custody, yeah.

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Go ahead, Topher.

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You can, did you want to say something?

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All right, hang on, let me turn this on.

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I guess it should be.

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Yeah, that should be good. Say something.

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Something.

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Can you hear him?

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Yeah, I can hear him.

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Okay.

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Wait, are you live right now?

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Yeah, we're live.

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Oh, yeah. No, you can't pass off your custody arrangement to another network and then just say, oh, you're self-custody.

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Like our wallet is self-custody because we don't deal with the custody.

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That's like not how that works.

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so if you don't deal with the custody and somebody else deals with the custody then it's like well

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is spark self-custody and i'm pretty sure spark is not self-custody like you're trusting them

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to delete the keys that would otherwise give them control over your bitcoin so that's that's not

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self-custody you're trusting one operator to delete to delete the key that's kind of that's

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of some it's an it's somewhat nice in that you're not trusting all the operators to delete the key

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but you're trusting that at least one of them of maybe how many i think there's only two right now

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at least one of them deletes the key because i think uh it requires more than one key

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i think it requires all keys to um spend the funds and so one of them if one of them deletes

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the key than you're, than you are in self custody. But for that period of time where that key exists,

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you are not. Um, but as soon as the key is brought into existence,

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like if you're trusting them, so what you're trusting is that when the Bitcoin was transferred

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to you that the key that allows the other party to, with the help of the operators,

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spend your Bitcoin, that the operators, or at least one of the operators deleted the key.

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But the thing is, is that those keys all existed together at one point in time. And you don't have,

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you're not part of that arrangement and that arrangement still exists. So for you to say,

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well, as long as I trust that somebody deleted the key, that it's self custody is like, well,

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okay, but you're still, how do you trust that you have self custody? It's kind of,

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it doesn't make any sense that you trust that you have. Yeah. Yeah. That's why Justin calls it

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custodial. Um, I, I think it is trying to show up to bit devs or KYC and a custodial wallets

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and thanking the heavens for them.

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And I think I don't know how anyone who does that

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can criticize a custodian that helps people, not KYC and stuff.

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We now have another entry in the gradient of like from custodial to self-custodial.

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And the reality is Bitcoiners do not want to run Lightning Notes.

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Yet they want the settlement, the fast settlement of Lightning.

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And I almost prefer a solution that doesn't have KYC and stuff to the custodial arrangements.

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Yeah, I'm not even criticizing the technology.

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I'm just criticizing the marketing.

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because it's false marketing.

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It's like when eCash,

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when there were people in eCash

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saying that eCash is self-custodial.

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Even though they were backing up

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all their eCash to the mints.

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Yeah.

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And you still need the permission of the mint

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to spend your eCash.

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For sure.

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Yeah, I agree.

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The marketing is pretty bad,

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especially when you have a company,

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like a big company,

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like LightSpark is trying to market to a more general audience than just Bitcoiners,

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they aren't going to get super nuanced on the terminology.

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They're just trying to grab followers and customers potentially by saying the right magic words.

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And, you know, marketing is always this weird gray area that is somewhat dishonest, unfortunately,

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or can err on the side of dishonesty, which sucks.

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But I think for most Bitcoiners, this isn't super confusing to them.

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Lots of people make claims.

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We see people make claims about decentralization in Bitcoin all the time when there isn't any.

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Same with self-custody.

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We had people criticizing.

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You have a lot of people from Cash App criticizing the Spark people.

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But then you have a lot of, you had a lot of the greater Bitcoin community criticizing the cash app people when they released BitKey because of BitKey's marketing.

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That's what I was talking about last week, Keon.

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It feels almost like business interest.

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This is where I was saying that last week.

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And there's nothing wrong with that.

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There's literally nothing wrong with that.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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I just think we just need to be

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okay with that. It's the same fight that we're having with

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Knott's and Core, right? Isn't that the argument with Knott's and Core?

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Or no? That there's business interest behind them?

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The Knott's

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and Bitcoin Core argument has gotten so muddy

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I don't even know what the argument is.

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To me, it all feels the same

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to me when I look at this.

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It all feels very much the same.

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And what happened to free markets, man?

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If they win, then they win.

447
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Like, what's wrong with that?

448
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Like, I don't know what's wrong with that.

449
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Is that bad?

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No, but I think part of free markets is free speech.

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And so if your competitor is lying to your customers,

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you want to combat the lie.

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And so you go out there and you combat the lie.

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and you try to convince your customers that they're lying.

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And I think that's fair too.

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That's part of the free market.

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Okay.

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Then there's not, I don't know, like,

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but free markets aren't sit back and let your customer,

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let your customer get lied to.

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Like that's not free markets.

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It's also saying what it is.

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It's business interest.

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And I think calling that what it is, is okay too.

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Like that's all I'm saying is like,

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it's business interest and that's okay too.

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Like just, it should just be transparent about it.

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Like, you know, I think I think part of you can argue the motivation, like some of the energy behind the criticisms are come from are motivated by business interests.

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But I don't think the criticisms are valid, like the technical, like the criticisms of marketing or the technical criticisms, they're all they're all valid.

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I get that they're maybe a little more energetic because, you know, if they can really get people to understand the criticisms and maybe they lose fewer customers.

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or game on customers.

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Yeah, and I'm not defending, for the record,

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because I think people think, oh, Kari's defending.

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I'm not defending David Marcus or Spark

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or anything like that.

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I have no pony in this fight or pony in this race.

477
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Why do they do pony races?

478
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I'm just trying to make a really good clip right now

479
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by talking the other side of the argument.

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But also, at the same time, I'm trying to, you know,

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just to explain that business interests

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are a thing in Bitcoin.

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00:27:46,358 --> 00:27:49,258
And I think if I'm willing to say something,

484
00:27:49,258 --> 00:27:51,898
And I think that's an important thing to say is there's,

485
00:27:52,138 --> 00:27:55,598
Sackers, if you're listening, business interests do exist in Bitcoin and don't fall for it.

486
00:27:56,038 --> 00:27:57,278
That's all I'm trying to say here.

487
00:27:57,918 --> 00:28:00,038
There's one piece I'd leave you with.

488
00:28:02,118 --> 00:28:02,658
All right.

489
00:28:03,878 --> 00:28:05,218
Anyways, you got anything else, Topher?

490
00:28:06,978 --> 00:28:08,218
That's related to this?

491
00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:11,298
No.

492
00:28:11,298 --> 00:28:17,458
I don't think that Spark is purposefully lying to people.

493
00:28:17,778 --> 00:28:18,638
That's what Keyon said.

494
00:28:19,258 --> 00:28:27,458
earlier. I think that it's, and I've, I've run into this personally, like, you know, you can

495
00:28:27,458 --> 00:28:32,398
have honest engineers and I know Spark has honest engineers working for them. And you have honest

496
00:28:32,398 --> 00:28:39,758
engineers that design a really fascinating product. And it's a product that has a complex custody

497
00:28:39,758 --> 00:28:47,558
arrangement. And so you can try to explain it, document it, try to teach it to people like how

498
00:28:47,558 --> 00:28:53,678
it works so that they understand what they're getting into. But at some point, it gets into the

499
00:28:53,678 --> 00:28:59,118
hands of a marketer. And the marketer's like, oh, well, no one's going to understand this. So we're

500
00:28:59,118 --> 00:29:04,618
just going to call it self-custody. And so I can imagine the engineers ripping their hair out like,

501
00:29:04,778 --> 00:29:10,058
oh, well, no, it's not self-custody. But they're not the ones making the tweets. It's the marketers

502
00:29:10,058 --> 00:29:10,918
making the tweets.

503
00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:13,778
So, yeah.

504
00:29:14,038 --> 00:29:15,878
So, like, I don't think Spark is malicious.

505
00:29:16,898 --> 00:29:18,098
I don't think the engineers

506
00:29:18,098 --> 00:29:20,278
are trying to do people. I think it's just

507
00:29:20,278 --> 00:29:21,958
you know, they

508
00:29:21,958 --> 00:29:24,078
built, like, a product with a

509
00:29:24,078 --> 00:29:25,998
complex custody arrangement, and marketers

510
00:29:25,998 --> 00:29:27,978
don't care to try to market

511
00:29:27,978 --> 00:29:30,238
that or explain it. It's just easier just to say,

512
00:29:30,298 --> 00:29:31,138
oh, self-custody.

513
00:29:31,398 --> 00:29:32,538
Also, yeah, Tapcom?

514
00:29:34,038 --> 00:29:35,418
People involved with Spark? Yeah.

515
00:29:35,918 --> 00:29:37,798
Okay, cool. We can ask them then. Yeah.

516
00:29:38,318 --> 00:29:39,758
That would be a good conversation to have.

517
00:29:40,058 --> 00:29:41,478
You can ask the devs there.

518
00:29:42,118 --> 00:29:42,318
Yeah.

519
00:29:42,818 --> 00:29:45,158
I'm sure they're ripping their hair out like,

520
00:29:45,298 --> 00:29:46,758
oh, no, don't call it that.

521
00:29:46,938 --> 00:29:50,678
But they're not in charge of the tweets.

522
00:29:50,678 --> 00:29:51,978
Maybe get one of them on.

523
00:29:53,438 --> 00:29:55,198
Then we could really stay in our lane, Keon.

524
00:29:56,938 --> 00:29:57,698
Oh, yeah.

525
00:29:57,918 --> 00:29:59,358
We won't be able to say anything.

526
00:30:00,198 --> 00:30:01,378
This is our lane, though.

527
00:30:02,058 --> 00:30:05,738
The next top story is I couldn't buy it,

528
00:30:05,778 --> 00:30:06,638
so I just made it.

529
00:30:06,998 --> 00:30:07,818
It's from Hypno.

530
00:30:08,498 --> 00:30:09,598
What is this?

531
00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:17,658
what is that yeah it looks it looks like they made a uh like a like a seed uh metal seed plate

532
00:30:18,218 --> 00:30:24,618
type system a metal seed storage system where you you you stamp out the seeds in

533
00:30:25,578 --> 00:30:32,938
like english language i believe um that's cool yeah on these little plates that you then ring on

534
00:30:32,938 --> 00:30:39,098
like a key ring you could throw that on a fishing pole no one would know yeah yeah you catch pretty

535
00:30:39,098 --> 00:30:43,818
dope you catch some some pretty big fish some whales even i'm saying like you just throw those

536
00:30:43,818 --> 00:30:50,858
on a fishing pole and no one would know yeah it's a it's a nice i mean you see a lot of these cool

537
00:30:50,858 --> 00:30:55,898
solutions i don't i don't want to talk about another solution while while this we're probably

538
00:30:55,898 --> 00:30:59,738
we're talking about this guy's things that i've seen a lot of really cool metal stamping things

539
00:30:59,738 --> 00:31:03,658
that have come out recently that are like way different than the plate the like big plates

540
00:31:03,658 --> 00:31:07,898
plates, the big two-dimensional plates that you would get in the past.

541
00:31:09,258 --> 00:31:13,718
But yeah, so it looks like you, he basically had this problem where this is kind of the

542
00:31:13,718 --> 00:31:17,018
solution that he wanted, and he couldn't find it out there, and then so he made it himself.

543
00:31:17,238 --> 00:31:18,998
I guess he's located in Thailand.

544
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:24,598
He wanted to manufacture it in Thailand, couldn't find anyone locally in Thailand who would even

545
00:31:24,598 --> 00:31:25,938
return his emails.

546
00:31:26,558 --> 00:31:30,598
So they contacted China and got in a really good relationship with the manufacturers in

547
00:31:30,598 --> 00:31:35,238
China and they ended up producing the sets for him.

548
00:31:35,978 --> 00:31:38,218
And so you order a set from him.

549
00:31:38,278 --> 00:31:43,038
I think it's like 55 US dollars and you get 13 of these.

550
00:31:43,258 --> 00:31:44,318
Is it 13?

551
00:31:44,558 --> 00:31:45,038
12?

552
00:31:45,758 --> 00:31:47,758
Looks like there's 21.

553
00:31:47,978 --> 00:31:48,278
I saw,

554
00:31:48,438 --> 00:31:49,718
or maybe that's front and back maybe.

555
00:31:50,778 --> 00:31:51,058
Yeah.

556
00:31:51,058 --> 00:31:54,618
You get 14 of these metal seed plates that you can throw on a key ring.

557
00:31:55,718 --> 00:31:56,638
And then you have like,

558
00:31:56,638 --> 00:32:01,818
You have the holder for the letter puncher,

559
00:32:02,518 --> 00:32:06,318
and you can punch your seed words into it,

560
00:32:06,518 --> 00:32:08,698
and then you put it on the key ring,

561
00:32:08,778 --> 00:32:13,118
and then you use one of these zip tie things to tie it together

562
00:32:13,118 --> 00:32:14,358
and make sure it's held together.

563
00:32:15,938 --> 00:32:16,678
That's Neato.

564
00:32:16,938 --> 00:32:17,698
This is from Hypno.

565
00:32:19,518 --> 00:32:20,298
Hypno, yeah.

566
00:32:20,298 --> 00:32:22,378
Seed keys dot XYZ.

567
00:32:22,698 --> 00:32:24,358
Oh, he's a new stacker.

568
00:32:24,358 --> 00:32:34,918
interesting cool stuff yeah um really cool stuff uh let's jump into the next top story it is i'd

569
00:32:34,918 --> 00:32:41,638
quicker abandon bitcoin go back to fiat this is from jason b october 6 32 comments 3 349 sets

570
00:32:41,638 --> 00:32:49,958
kyan what's this yeah jason b is out in south africa as we discussed last episode um i guess

571
00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:58,038
in south africa everyone uses whatsapp for their messaging app and jason b is a big whatsapp

572
00:32:59,318 --> 00:33:05,398
critic or not a fan he refuses to download whatsapp but everyone he everyone he meets in

573
00:33:05,398 --> 00:33:13,318
south africa wants to use it and so he's forced to like try to convince them to use something else

574
00:33:13,318 --> 00:33:17,158
and they're all frustrated by it because they're like everyone's on whatsapp like the network

575
00:33:17,158 --> 00:33:22,658
The work effect is so strong that people do not even want to consider switching because

576
00:33:22,658 --> 00:33:25,758
they don't see a point.

577
00:33:25,758 --> 00:33:27,498
And so this is where the title comes from.

578
00:33:27,498 --> 00:33:32,658
I'd quicker abandon Bitcoin and go back to fiat than download and use WhatsApp.

579
00:33:32,658 --> 00:33:34,398
It's like the rest of that sentence.

580
00:33:34,398 --> 00:33:43,158
The mobile VPN company and they were snooping on Snapchat through some really interesting

581
00:33:43,158 --> 00:33:44,158
engineering trip.

582
00:33:44,158 --> 00:33:46,158
That's crazy, dude.

583
00:33:46,158 --> 00:34:04,978
Yeah. Anyway, and then he kind of he ends the post by talking about her for Bitcoiners in a way that he's having to learn how to have empathy for South Africans who are using WhatsApp is like.

584
00:34:04,978 --> 00:34:07,358
it's basically saying that

585
00:34:07,358 --> 00:34:09,878
a lot of these people, they don't understand

586
00:34:09,878 --> 00:34:11,638
the privacy trade-offs and they're maybe

587
00:34:11,638 --> 00:34:13,378
a little too

588
00:34:13,378 --> 00:34:14,798
taken by the current

589
00:34:14,798 --> 00:34:17,158
trend of WhatsApp.

590
00:34:18,298 --> 00:34:18,658
And so

591
00:34:18,658 --> 00:34:21,538
him coming to terms with that is

592
00:34:21,538 --> 00:34:23,338
helping him maybe see

593
00:34:23,338 --> 00:34:25,398
the no-coiner is a different way.

594
00:34:27,018 --> 00:34:27,998
That's interesting.

595
00:34:29,258 --> 00:34:30,318
Really cool stuff.

596
00:34:31,638 --> 00:34:33,258
The next top story is

597
00:34:33,258 --> 00:34:35,138
vibe tools, not apps. This is from

598
00:34:35,138 --> 00:34:36,998
Optimism, 12 comments,

599
00:34:37,098 --> 00:34:38,858
12,500 sats. Keyon,

600
00:34:39,658 --> 00:34:40,378
what's this?

601
00:34:41,938 --> 00:34:43,318
Yeah, this is Optimism

602
00:34:43,318 --> 00:34:44,518
arguing that

603
00:34:44,518 --> 00:34:47,218
you should, if you're

604
00:34:47,218 --> 00:34:49,138
using, if you're

605
00:34:49,138 --> 00:34:51,078
vibe coding things, or

606
00:34:51,078 --> 00:34:53,138
yeah, maybe you should not focus on

607
00:34:53,138 --> 00:34:54,598
building an app for end users,

608
00:34:55,338 --> 00:34:57,318
but making yourself a tool

609
00:34:57,318 --> 00:34:59,058
that makes your life

610
00:34:59,058 --> 00:34:59,518
easier.

611
00:35:01,178 --> 00:35:02,778
He has a lot of really, I think,

612
00:35:03,258 --> 00:35:09,658
good arguments in here that basically if you can make an app by just telling

613
00:35:09,658 --> 00:35:14,098
chatGPT, say, to make an app, then so can pretty much anyone else.

614
00:35:15,158 --> 00:35:21,238
And you shouldn't assume that you're going to be that differentiated in the

615
00:35:21,238 --> 00:35:27,638
market and can maintain any kind of moat if anyone else can build the same

616
00:35:27,638 --> 00:35:30,418
thing you built by just spending enough time talking to a chatbot.

617
00:35:30,418 --> 00:35:33,798
It's like any other product in the real world.

618
00:35:33,918 --> 00:35:35,038
It's the exact same thing.

619
00:35:35,618 --> 00:35:37,438
You need to have a distinguishing factor.

620
00:35:37,658 --> 00:35:42,618
You need to have some sort of thing that's unique to you, unique to your product.

621
00:35:43,758 --> 00:35:45,338
I mean, you see this all the time.

622
00:35:46,918 --> 00:35:47,818
Yeah, for sure.

623
00:35:48,858 --> 00:35:55,538
Yeah, so he argues instead rather than like thinking about it that way where you're going to build an app and you're going to sell it to other people.

624
00:35:56,238 --> 00:35:59,198
Use the tools for probably what they're best suited to.

625
00:35:59,198 --> 00:36:11,278
And it's like building yourself small conveniences in the form of little programmatic automated tools that make your day-to-day easier.

626
00:36:12,538 --> 00:36:16,958
And that is probably going to be, I think part of this is him looking towards the future.

627
00:36:17,098 --> 00:36:25,518
And this is probably going to be the lasting impact of these tools is that you can make yourself bespoke solutions that are just perfectly well suited to you.

628
00:36:25,518 --> 00:36:28,658
where you complain about Ecamm.

629
00:36:29,138 --> 00:36:30,098
You can imagine a future

630
00:36:30,098 --> 00:36:32,398
where you make the perfect Ecamm for car.

631
00:36:33,038 --> 00:36:34,198
That's kind of what you do.

632
00:36:34,678 --> 00:36:36,938
And there's another car out there

633
00:36:36,938 --> 00:36:39,838
who makes the perfect Ecamm for them.

634
00:36:40,578 --> 00:36:44,178
And so that's maybe the way to view these things

635
00:36:44,178 --> 00:36:46,538
is it really just gives you the power to personalize.

636
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:47,658
Maybe at some point,

637
00:36:47,738 --> 00:36:49,558
Pleb TV will be that maybe at some point,

638
00:36:49,718 --> 00:36:51,158
but not right now.

639
00:36:51,158 --> 00:36:55,658
I mean, I mean, that's I talked about it today at startup day.

640
00:36:56,658 --> 00:37:02,038
You know, Club TV is just like an itch that I want to scratch, you know, you know, and

641
00:37:02,038 --> 00:37:05,638
it's something that I do think like spatial computing is going to be a really big thing

642
00:37:05,638 --> 00:37:10,078
and every company will need some sort of video platform, just like we see podcasting today.

643
00:37:10,298 --> 00:37:11,478
That's going to be that big.

644
00:37:11,558 --> 00:37:13,678
So everybody will need to do it.

645
00:37:13,678 --> 00:37:19,638
I'm just somebody that always sees a little bit ahead of before others, unfortunately,

646
00:37:19,638 --> 00:37:25,398
or fortunately however you see that um i wanted to bring up something here because we had a we

647
00:37:25,398 --> 00:37:33,238
had a panel with hustle jim and ted that was our ai bitcoin panel and all three of those guys use ai

648
00:37:34,918 --> 00:37:39,238
very proficient in it hustle's very proficient in it jim's very proficient in it

649
00:37:40,038 --> 00:37:43,798
ted and i'm not going to attribute to who said this because i don't know which person said that

650
00:37:43,798 --> 00:37:48,518
i don't actually remember but one of them said and i forget who said this but one of them said

651
00:37:48,518 --> 00:37:55,478
it was hilarious one of them said well you know if if all these ai things these chat llms are

652
00:37:55,478 --> 00:38:01,238
supposed to be you know and i would love to hear what your response would be this kian but like

653
00:38:01,238 --> 00:38:05,318
if all and this is what they said they're like if all these chat llms are supposed to be like

654
00:38:05,318 --> 00:38:12,438
helping us code you know we would fire them already like they would have already been fired

655
00:38:12,438 --> 00:38:18,278
so you can't lean on them too much as far as uh i mean of course they're gonna get better over time

656
00:38:18,278 --> 00:38:25,538
But if you look at them just like employees, like they would have gotten fired for being really bad at their job.

657
00:38:26,038 --> 00:38:28,778
And so I just thought that was hilarious.

658
00:38:29,138 --> 00:38:31,618
I think it got a chuckle from everybody in the room.

659
00:38:31,678 --> 00:38:33,438
But what do you think about that statement?

660
00:38:35,458 --> 00:38:40,658
Yeah, they definitely make mistakes and you have to like hold their hand through everything.

661
00:38:41,498 --> 00:38:44,998
And, you know, if you had to do that with a normal employee, they wouldn't be worth much to you.

662
00:38:44,998 --> 00:38:46,798
But it's worth much to what you're paying.

663
00:38:47,098 --> 00:38:47,458
Would you fire them?

664
00:38:48,278 --> 00:38:52,718
Not if they work for $200 a month.

665
00:38:52,718 --> 00:38:55,398
Not if they did that level of work for $200 a month.

666
00:38:55,398 --> 00:38:56,398
I'd keep them on.

667
00:38:56,398 --> 00:38:58,218
I'd hire a few more of them.

668
00:38:58,218 --> 00:39:03,158
And I think that's what we're all doing.

669
00:39:03,158 --> 00:39:07,338
The value to cost is high.

670
00:39:07,338 --> 00:39:11,278
The value might not be very high, but the cost is very low.

671
00:39:11,278 --> 00:39:18,258
I think for what I do in my job with these LLMs, I couldn't live without it.

672
00:39:18,258 --> 00:39:21,258
at this point, it's just as important as email.

673
00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:23,798
You know, it's right there.

674
00:39:24,698 --> 00:39:26,358
I don't know, how do you feel about it?

675
00:39:27,758 --> 00:39:29,678
I find it very useful if I'm,

676
00:39:29,678 --> 00:39:31,458
especially if I'm like doing something

677
00:39:31,458 --> 00:39:34,318
that I don't wanna do or it's extremely tedious,

678
00:39:34,318 --> 00:39:47,076
I will reach for these tools and use them And it is very helpful but they do make very naive mistakes that because and especially because you not paying a whole lot of attention while it like making the solution that it you

679
00:39:47,076 --> 00:39:53,476
spend a lot of time trying to diagnose what's wrong. Like yesterday, I had I had to make this

680
00:39:53,476 --> 00:40:00,916
query for me. And it made a it made a really naive error that I could not detect because I didn't

681
00:40:00,916 --> 00:40:05,556
even imagine it was possible. It made that naive of an error. But even if I even as I asked it

682
00:40:05,556 --> 00:40:07,616
several times and was like, I think the error is here.

683
00:40:08,136 --> 00:40:09,556
It did not see. It was a simple

684
00:40:09,556 --> 00:40:10,456
arithmetic thing.

685
00:40:12,356 --> 00:40:13,636
I think the thing I hate

686
00:40:13,636 --> 00:40:14,096
the most

687
00:40:14,096 --> 00:40:17,816
is it

688
00:40:17,816 --> 00:40:18,296
absolutely

689
00:40:18,296 --> 00:40:21,796
and I don't do this

690
00:40:21,796 --> 00:40:22,696
very regularly,

691
00:40:23,176 --> 00:40:25,896
but I hate when I have to use it for speed

692
00:40:25,896 --> 00:40:27,616
and

693
00:40:27,616 --> 00:40:29,756
yeah, I hate that.

694
00:40:30,256 --> 00:40:31,036
Absolutely hate it.

695
00:40:31,676 --> 00:40:33,796
It helps you

696
00:40:33,796 --> 00:40:38,236
go fast, but I hate when I actually have to use it to get things done faster. I don't like that.

697
00:40:38,756 --> 00:40:44,856
I don't like that at all because it makes me sloppy. And yeah, that's what I would say.

698
00:40:46,056 --> 00:40:50,916
Yeah, it's pretty boring. I mean, the other part of it is it's pretty boring. It's kind of like,

699
00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:55,076
it's kind of like watching someone else do the job. Another way I like to think about it,

700
00:40:55,116 --> 00:40:59,696
it's like trying to do your job over the phone where you like can't actually, hey,

701
00:40:59,696 --> 00:41:04,996
G's there. Where you can't actually do it. What's up, G? You can't actually do anything yourself,

702
00:41:04,996 --> 00:41:08,716
but you can tell people over the phone to do it for you. And you just have to watch them make

703
00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:14,396
mistakes. And you're like, no, don't do that. Do this instead. No, no, no, no. Not like that. Like

704
00:41:14,396 --> 00:41:20,176
this, like this. No, stop, please. And you're just trying to, it's like you're trying to program or

705
00:41:20,176 --> 00:41:26,096
whatever you do with these tools over the phone. And it's just, it can be just mostly frustrating.

706
00:41:26,096 --> 00:41:29,576
And that's another point that Optimism says in this post,

707
00:41:29,576 --> 00:41:34,236
is that you're going to spend six months being kind of boring

708
00:41:34,236 --> 00:41:35,576
because you're not really learning anything.

709
00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:37,916
You're just kind of using these tools.

710
00:41:37,916 --> 00:41:40,536
And then you're not going to be able to, like,

711
00:41:40,536 --> 00:41:43,536
the problems that you didn't care enough to make

712
00:41:43,536 --> 00:41:45,336
the solutions yourself, it's going

713
00:41:45,336 --> 00:41:46,916
to have problems in the solution.

714
00:41:46,916 --> 00:41:48,816
And then you're not going to be able to figure them out

715
00:41:48,816 --> 00:41:50,256
without more AI help.

716
00:41:50,256 --> 00:41:54,476
And so it's like, don't focus on vibe coding apps.

717
00:41:54,476 --> 00:41:56,916
maybe focus on the tools for yourself.

718
00:41:56,916 --> 00:41:59,396
And that's probably enough.

719
00:41:59,396 --> 00:42:00,976
You should probably be happy with that.

720
00:42:00,976 --> 00:42:03,836
You can make your life a little easier with these tools.

721
00:42:03,836 --> 00:42:04,856
What do you think about that, Jay,

722
00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:07,176
about the Vibe tools and the Vibe coding stuff?

723
00:42:07,176 --> 00:42:10,416
I mean, reading this first paragraph.

724
00:42:10,416 --> 00:42:12,156
Can you hear him, Keon?

725
00:42:12,156 --> 00:42:12,776
Yeah, I can hear him.

726
00:42:12,776 --> 00:42:13,896
Okay, cool.

727
00:42:13,896 --> 00:42:16,376
Reading this first paragraph,

728
00:42:16,376 --> 00:42:17,536
I mean, it kind of just looks like

729
00:42:17,536 --> 00:42:19,136
what a lot of normies do in general,

730
00:42:19,136 --> 00:42:21,236
let other people think for themselves.

731
00:42:21,236 --> 00:42:30,456
But I mean, as far as being a tool to help out and, you know, pushing your work forward, I mean, I can see it being a good use case for that.

732
00:42:30,536 --> 00:42:38,136
But if you're going to use it as like your your habitual crutch and it's going to be become your identity, I think that's where it starts becoming the problem.

733
00:42:39,956 --> 00:42:42,436
Yep. 100 percent. I definitely agree.

734
00:42:43,976 --> 00:42:45,696
Did you need to be more than your tools?

735
00:42:45,696 --> 00:42:53,016
did you did you see the ai panel with uh tussle and jim and uh yeah do you remember what they said

736
00:42:53,016 --> 00:43:00,336
about the like using it um using these tools i forget it was some good stuff i just forget what

737
00:43:00,336 --> 00:43:06,636
they were saying about it there's some good alpha anyways let's jump into the next one uh the

738
00:43:06,636 --> 00:43:11,916
incident i got scammed a few months back this is from another jason b1 bitcoin territory 33 comments

739
00:43:11,916 --> 00:43:18,876
4,597 sats. Kion, what's this? Yeah, second week in a row that Jason B has two top stories

740
00:43:18,876 --> 00:43:25,696
in the top five. This one is about the scam that made him change his NIM, which we covered last

741
00:43:25,696 --> 00:43:32,636
week. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I actually don't recall the details too well, but I think he just mostly

742
00:43:32,636 --> 00:43:37,316
was vaguely mentioning that he got scammed in some fashion that made him super concerned about

743
00:43:37,316 --> 00:43:43,736
his OPSEC. And then he changed his NEM and stuff. But in this post, he actually

744
00:43:43,736 --> 00:43:48,696
covers the scam, tells us a little bit about what happened in the scam. I guess

745
00:43:48,696 --> 00:43:54,616
last week he wrote about looking for Bitcoin miners in South Africa because there are a lot

746
00:43:54,616 --> 00:43:59,416
of solar installations and he wants to help South Africans subsidize the cost of the solar

747
00:43:59,416 --> 00:44:03,536
installations and maybe make some Bitcoin in the process. So he was looking for Bitcoin miners for

748
00:44:03,536 --> 00:44:12,056
them. And I guess he he went he was in Kanan's telegram group and someone in the Kanan telegram

749
00:44:12,056 --> 00:44:19,596
group ran like promoted another telegram group that says they ship, you know, they ship Bitcoin

750
00:44:19,596 --> 00:44:24,136
miners worldwide or they sell they sell and ship Bitcoin miners worldwide. And so he got he got in

751
00:44:24,136 --> 00:44:30,676
that telegram chat and it turned out to be a scam. It sounds like what ended up happening was he

752
00:44:30,676 --> 00:44:41,736
They had him send them Bitcoin and personal information about where to ship the Bitcoin miners and never shipped him anything.

753
00:44:42,416 --> 00:44:52,796
He eventually reached out to the shipping company and confirmed that there was no such shipment pending or anything like that.

754
00:44:53,276 --> 00:44:58,996
He said early on he noticed some red flags and wasn't going to follow through.

755
00:45:00,676 --> 00:45:05,916
But he really wanted these miners, so he kind of kept going, even though he was a bit suspicious of it.

756
00:45:06,556 --> 00:45:14,456
And I guess he then reached out to the feds about it and tried to get them to maybe investigate it all.

757
00:45:14,756 --> 00:45:16,516
And he hasn't heard back from them yet.

758
00:45:16,516 --> 00:45:26,896
And then he also reached out to Jameson Lopp because he was concerned that he had given these scammers so much information that they might come and wrench attack him.

759
00:45:26,896 --> 00:45:36,136
But Jameson Lopp helped him kind of deescalate that fear by telling him that it's usually

760
00:45:36,136 --> 00:45:40,156
they're usually different types of scammers.

761
00:45:40,156 --> 00:45:45,576
And then I guess he's still he's still kind of waiting on the feds to do anything about

762
00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:46,576
it.

763
00:45:46,576 --> 00:45:49,896
But I think it seems like he's mostly made his peace with it.

764
00:45:49,896 --> 00:45:54,056
He has a little bit of it gives a little bit of information at the bottom about the about

765
00:45:54,056 --> 00:45:59,756
the scam and how and where like the money flows but they're pretty sure the money flows to a south

766
00:45:59,756 --> 00:46:10,376
korean exchange um once the scam has been executed dang that's incredible uh gee you ever been scammed

767
00:46:10,376 --> 00:46:18,036
before oh plenty of times really i mean i've lost some money in the past um like this though

768
00:46:18,036 --> 00:46:26,836
not in this same fashion but in this whole uh ecosystem yeah i have lost money at times and

769
00:46:26,836 --> 00:46:31,656
you know that's why i tell people a lot of the times i'm uh i'm here to help people so they don't

770
00:46:31,656 --> 00:46:37,716
i had to lose money so you don't lose money and uh you know along with these i always tell people

771
00:46:37,716 --> 00:46:45,376
take it as a lesson and not a loss now you know better and yeah just you know improve

772
00:46:45,376 --> 00:46:52,276
Right on. I think that's true. I know a lot of people. So, I mean, even if they haven't been

773
00:46:52,276 --> 00:46:57,416
scammed like this, where you're like sending people money to send you goods or anything,

774
00:46:57,496 --> 00:47:02,076
and they don't send you the goods, a lot of Bitcoiners started out as like shit coiners.

775
00:47:02,596 --> 00:47:07,736
And so they were definitely scammed into like meme coin stuff and all kinds of casino stuff,

776
00:47:07,736 --> 00:47:12,616
which isn't much different. It involves someone lying to you to get your money.

777
00:47:12,616 --> 00:47:20,616
and yeah it's like a bummer but i think jason the the thing the thing about some of these stories

778
00:47:20,616 --> 00:47:26,336
is that is that someone like jason b is sophisticated and the red flags went off but

779
00:47:26,336 --> 00:47:31,416
it like they didn't you know you get in a kind of state of mind where maybe you don't stop yourself

780
00:47:31,416 --> 00:47:37,416
even though you can see the red flags going off in retrospect and so that's kind of that's kind

781
00:47:37,416 --> 00:47:43,796
of scary. Like I remember Samson Mao from who used to be the CTO of Blockstream. He almost got he I

782
00:47:43,796 --> 00:47:50,176
think he got he got one of those robocall like scams, the ones that June Seth has done podcasts

783
00:47:50,176 --> 00:47:57,416
on where the guys convince him that they're like they work at Coinbase. And he ended up giving them

784
00:47:57,416 --> 00:48:02,856
access to I think his his Gmail account or something. And that's like, you know, that's a

785
00:48:02,856 --> 00:48:11,956
top tier bit a top tier bitcoiner um in in many circles um yeah so that's like the kind of that's

786
00:48:11,956 --> 00:48:16,676
the scariest thing about a lot of these scams is like even if you're you know better if you're like

787
00:48:16,676 --> 00:48:24,736
in the wrong state of mind oh gracias you can get scammed they pour the glass here for you kian

788
00:48:24,736 --> 00:48:32,396
it's pretty crazy oh wow is that your mom she's this no it's uh he's uh he's the person that works

789
00:48:32,396 --> 00:48:34,356
sir he's really nice thank you sir

790
00:48:34,356 --> 00:48:35,396
gracias muchas gracias

791
00:48:35,396 --> 00:48:38,416
I thought you were in a hotel room

792
00:48:38,416 --> 00:48:39,536
I didn't realize you were just out

793
00:48:39,536 --> 00:48:42,116
no this is like the

794
00:48:42,116 --> 00:48:42,996
what do you call the Syria

795
00:48:42,996 --> 00:48:46,076
that's all the five

796
00:48:46,076 --> 00:48:47,776
top five stories of the week

797
00:48:47,776 --> 00:48:50,476
gee tell everybody

798
00:48:50,476 --> 00:48:52,336
what it's like been here in the Yucatan

799
00:48:52,336 --> 00:48:54,216
yeah

800
00:48:54,216 --> 00:48:56,056
no one's ever been to the Yucatan

801
00:48:56,056 --> 00:48:58,436
very chill vibes down here

802
00:48:58,436 --> 00:49:00,336
could see why they put a bitcoin

803
00:49:00,336 --> 00:49:01,596
hub down here for sure

804
00:49:02,556 --> 00:49:03,376
Food's good.

805
00:49:03,576 --> 00:49:05,116
A little different from Texas.

806
00:49:05,416 --> 00:49:06,876
Big pork guys out here.

807
00:49:08,136 --> 00:49:08,416
Oh.

808
00:49:09,476 --> 00:49:11,716
Yeah, but a lot of fresh ingredients.

809
00:49:11,856 --> 00:49:12,296
The guac.

810
00:49:12,796 --> 00:49:13,916
Guac is really good.

811
00:49:14,396 --> 00:49:15,356
That guac is amazing.

812
00:49:15,356 --> 00:49:21,716
Dude, give me some guac and give me some, like, what, ceviche?

813
00:49:22,096 --> 00:49:22,376
Oof.

814
00:49:22,796 --> 00:49:23,016
Yeah.

815
00:49:23,196 --> 00:49:23,676
Yeah, tomorrow.

816
00:49:23,796 --> 00:49:25,696
And then the beach is only, like, 30 minutes away.

817
00:49:25,856 --> 00:49:27,436
So I'm going to go check that out.

818
00:49:28,136 --> 00:49:29,256
You guys haven't been to the beach yet?

819
00:49:29,656 --> 00:49:30,016
Okay.

820
00:49:30,876 --> 00:49:31,196
Uh-uh.

821
00:49:31,596 --> 00:49:33,416
How is the guac better?

822
00:49:33,696 --> 00:49:37,456
I mean, the guac is pretty great in Texas, but the guac is not much better.

823
00:49:37,476 --> 00:49:38,956
I think no seed oils.

824
00:49:39,396 --> 00:49:40,236
Is that what it is?

825
00:49:41,096 --> 00:49:43,596
They don't do seed oils in Texas.

826
00:49:43,596 --> 00:49:47,376
In Texas, they don't do seed oils in most guacamoles, right?

827
00:49:47,376 --> 00:49:50,816
Some of them, they'll chop it with mayonnaise or sour cream.

828
00:49:53,016 --> 00:49:54,576
The eggs are good, too.

829
00:49:54,656 --> 00:49:56,096
I had some eggs this morning.

830
00:49:57,296 --> 00:49:58,156
Really good.

831
00:49:58,696 --> 00:49:59,196
The beef?

832
00:50:00,356 --> 00:50:01,536
It's just pork mostly.

833
00:50:01,596 --> 00:50:01,976
No beef.

834
00:50:02,156 --> 00:50:02,956
It's mostly pork.

835
00:50:03,036 --> 00:50:05,756
The beef that we did try, yeah, it was in a fan.

836
00:50:06,556 --> 00:50:08,996
It tastes good going down, but not a fan.

837
00:50:10,316 --> 00:50:10,716
Okay.

838
00:50:11,176 --> 00:50:11,496
Yeah.

839
00:50:12,236 --> 00:50:13,436
That sounds pretty great.

840
00:50:14,176 --> 00:50:17,036
Let's jump into this week in AI.

841
00:50:17,316 --> 00:50:19,616
This is September 29th or October 5th from Optimism.

842
00:50:19,876 --> 00:50:22,776
I didn't pick anything, but is anything here that stood out for you, Kia?

843
00:50:23,436 --> 00:50:24,296
I just haven't had time.

844
00:50:25,516 --> 00:50:26,596
Let me see.

845
00:50:27,336 --> 00:50:29,216
I know Soro 2 got released.

846
00:50:29,216 --> 00:50:30,396
that's

847
00:50:30,396 --> 00:50:33,496
the big one from GMD

848
00:50:33,496 --> 00:50:34,836
I don't know if you saw the

849
00:50:34,836 --> 00:50:36,216
announcement

850
00:50:36,216 --> 00:50:37,756
yeah

851
00:50:37,756 --> 00:50:41,356
basically scared a lot of people

852
00:50:41,356 --> 00:50:43,176
and it got people saying that

853
00:50:43,176 --> 00:50:44,996
oh we're gonna get more AI slop

854
00:50:44,996 --> 00:50:46,316
and the videos are done

855
00:50:46,316 --> 00:50:48,596
I'm just like calm down people

856
00:50:48,596 --> 00:50:51,096
there's a lot of really untalented

857
00:50:51,096 --> 00:50:53,136
people out there this is not gonna

858
00:50:53,136 --> 00:50:53,996
help them even more

859
00:50:53,996 --> 00:50:57,296
this is for talented people

860
00:50:57,296 --> 00:50:58,936
that are gonna take it to the next level

861
00:50:58,936 --> 00:51:03,896
yeah these are for people i'm noticing the art creators you know what i mean like

862
00:51:03,896 --> 00:51:06,796
and they're going to take it to another level they're not just gonna

863
00:51:06,796 --> 00:51:13,836
you know there'll be funny mean stuff but yeah go ahead yeah i was gonna say that i've already seen

864
00:51:13,836 --> 00:51:19,396
i've already been more fooled than i have in the past on social media by certain videos

865
00:51:19,396 --> 00:51:26,096
so i would say it is it is heating up maybe the maybe they're it's not it's not doomsday yet

866
00:51:26,096 --> 00:51:27,176
But it's getting close.

867
00:51:27,676 --> 00:51:29,756
This reminds me of broadcast.com.

868
00:51:30,416 --> 00:51:32,436
And this is how early we are.

869
00:51:33,056 --> 00:51:34,716
I don't think people see where it's going.

870
00:51:34,776 --> 00:51:39,096
I think where I see it going, I definitely see distribution levels to this.

871
00:51:39,096 --> 00:51:44,376
The future that I see is a movie gets released in theaters.

872
00:51:45,316 --> 00:51:47,356
Then it goes to these platforms.

873
00:51:47,716 --> 00:51:51,416
And then it goes in a package to get remixed.

874
00:51:52,036 --> 00:51:55,856
And then that remix gets created by creators.

875
00:51:56,096 --> 00:52:00,636
and then that gets its own star in there.

876
00:52:00,776 --> 00:52:05,756
Let's say G was in the next Mission Impossible 7 or whatever, right?

877
00:52:05,836 --> 00:52:08,256
And he just replaces it with G.

878
00:52:08,516 --> 00:52:12,216
And everybody who's a fan of G, they get to see G in the next Mission Impossible.

879
00:52:12,336 --> 00:52:13,596
And I think that's kind of where it's headed.

880
00:52:13,656 --> 00:52:15,296
You kind of already see that in the music space,

881
00:52:15,396 --> 00:52:18,196
that you're able to remix these things.

882
00:52:18,536 --> 00:52:20,176
And I think that's kind of where we're headed.

883
00:52:20,176 --> 00:52:21,816
We're headed into that paradigm shift.

884
00:52:21,916 --> 00:52:24,936
I think there's going to be even more of these deals going down.

885
00:52:24,936 --> 00:52:26,216
and you're going to see the video

886
00:52:26,216 --> 00:52:27,676
market.

887
00:52:28,656 --> 00:52:29,976
They're going to close off first

888
00:52:29,976 --> 00:52:32,476
and then all these people are going to steal their stuff

889
00:52:32,476 --> 00:52:34,536
and they're going to remix it. They're going to run it through these things

890
00:52:34,536 --> 00:52:36,336
and you're going to see all this cool, creative

891
00:52:36,336 --> 00:52:38,336
stuff happen and then it's going to be

892
00:52:38,336 --> 00:52:40,336
this really cool thing. I think once we

893
00:52:40,336 --> 00:52:42,256
get the Apple

894
00:52:42,256 --> 00:52:44,316
iPod that gives us

895
00:52:44,316 --> 00:52:46,256
that cool product that gives us

896
00:52:46,256 --> 00:52:47,316
the eyeglasses, Keon,

897
00:52:49,476 --> 00:52:50,496
then we're there.

898
00:52:51,656 --> 00:52:52,496
That's kind of how I see it

899
00:52:52,496 --> 00:52:52,996
playing out.

900
00:52:52,996 --> 00:52:58,356
but yeah i think i don't know i think i think i think a lot about this stuff i think a lot about

901
00:52:58,356 --> 00:53:05,056
video and streaming and where film is going i think a lot about it probably too much i should

902
00:53:05,056 --> 00:53:11,556
be thinking more about other stuff yeah that's fair i mean we all have our own our own interests

903
00:53:11,556 --> 00:53:17,856
um i think the thing i think about a lot is like you know like i think you could when the gun was

904
00:53:17,856 --> 00:53:21,976
coming out when the first guns were coming out you could maybe hear people making arguments about

905
00:53:21,976 --> 00:53:26,936
like knives and swords and stuff and how guns are going to be very similar.

906
00:53:27,796 --> 00:53:30,096
But then, and then, you know, and then as bombs come out,

907
00:53:30,136 --> 00:53:32,716
we're making the same arguments that we made about guns, about bombs,

908
00:53:32,716 --> 00:53:35,916
but then the nuclear bomb comes out and it's like a totally different thing.

909
00:53:35,976 --> 00:53:39,696
We don't really make the same arguments about it. And, you know, technology,

910
00:53:40,196 --> 00:53:43,496
you have to imagine there are some technology that's going to be so,

911
00:53:43,556 --> 00:53:47,216
so transformative, so fast, you know, kind of like a nuclear,

912
00:53:47,216 --> 00:53:50,836
kind of like a nuclear bomb that it's a totally different thing.

913
00:53:50,836 --> 00:53:54,656
You can't talk about it using the past as your guide.

914
00:53:55,276 --> 00:53:55,456
Yeah.

915
00:53:56,236 --> 00:53:57,576
And, you know, AI might be that thing.

916
00:53:58,196 --> 00:53:59,156
AGI might be that thing.

917
00:53:59,236 --> 00:54:02,456
Maybe not these LLMs, but maybe something like AGI might be that thing.

918
00:54:02,456 --> 00:54:07,036
And so I think it's worth being a little cautious about this stuff.

919
00:54:07,076 --> 00:54:09,856
Although I don't think we're super close to AGI or anything.

920
00:54:10,196 --> 00:54:11,856
I mean, I could definitely tell.

921
00:54:12,256 --> 00:54:16,756
I don't know your eye, but I could definitely tell when a video is fake.

922
00:54:16,876 --> 00:54:17,996
I can tell almost immediately.

923
00:54:17,996 --> 00:54:29,316
Like we were just here at startup day and there was somebody who was showing me an image and they were like, I was like, oh, I was like, you need to fix this part because it's the AI.

924
00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:31,516
He's like, he was like, oh, how did you know it was AI?

925
00:54:31,636 --> 00:54:32,836
I was like, I can tell right away.

926
00:54:33,076 --> 00:54:34,376
It was, and it looked flawless.

927
00:54:34,556 --> 00:54:37,496
And I'm sure no one could tell, but I could still tell.

928
00:54:38,716 --> 00:54:44,076
So I think, I think most people, I think most people aren't special.

929
00:54:44,076 --> 00:54:47,436
No, I think most people can tell.

930
00:54:47,936 --> 00:54:50,576
And I definitely think Gen Z can tell.

931
00:54:51,236 --> 00:54:51,976
100%.

932
00:54:51,976 --> 00:54:54,056
I think Gen Z can tell.

933
00:54:54,776 --> 00:54:57,976
I think me, you, and most moomers can't tell.

934
00:54:59,876 --> 00:55:00,296
All right.

935
00:55:00,716 --> 00:55:01,796
Yeah, it's kind of like...

936
00:55:01,796 --> 00:55:03,396
And you see that a lot with the millennials.

937
00:55:03,656 --> 00:55:05,096
They're like, oh, it's going to destroy.

938
00:55:06,376 --> 00:55:07,336
Like, no, it's not.

939
00:55:07,456 --> 00:55:09,536
These Gen Zers, man, let them have this.

940
00:55:10,736 --> 00:55:12,116
They don't have anything, man.

941
00:55:12,116 --> 00:55:13,116
Let them have a video.

942
00:55:14,076 --> 00:55:15,356
Let them have video, man.

943
00:55:15,876 --> 00:55:16,396
I mean, what else?

944
00:55:16,476 --> 00:55:17,436
We were talking about it today.

945
00:55:17,576 --> 00:55:18,576
They don't even have Bitcoin.

946
00:55:19,616 --> 00:55:20,756
Let them have video, man.

947
00:55:23,096 --> 00:55:24,036
They can't have Bitcoin?

948
00:55:24,136 --> 00:55:24,896
Why can't they have Bitcoin?

949
00:55:25,416 --> 00:55:26,916
I mean, they're not adopting it.

950
00:55:30,076 --> 00:55:31,256
Gee, what do you think about all this?

951
00:55:31,736 --> 00:55:32,216
Who's right?

952
00:55:32,276 --> 00:55:32,716
Me or Keon?

953
00:55:33,616 --> 00:55:35,076
You can agree with Keon if you want.

954
00:55:35,276 --> 00:55:37,676
Man, I don't even know if this whole thing's a simulation.

955
00:55:37,856 --> 00:55:38,636
Is this all real?

956
00:55:38,856 --> 00:55:39,796
It's Keon real.

957
00:55:39,796 --> 00:55:40,456
Is that real?

958
00:55:40,796 --> 00:55:41,476
Yeah, Keon.

959
00:55:41,536 --> 00:55:43,496
Is this really you or your agent, LOL?

960
00:55:43,496 --> 00:55:47,276
Yeah, I had one of Jim's agents too.

961
00:55:47,596 --> 00:55:48,476
I knew it.

962
00:55:48,636 --> 00:55:50,256
Study all of our podcasts, yeah.

963
00:55:52,136 --> 00:55:52,996
You got any thoughts?

964
00:55:54,756 --> 00:55:55,636
It's crazy.

965
00:55:55,996 --> 00:55:57,356
Sometimes it gets me too.

966
00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:01,096
Other people can see it off the bat.

967
00:56:01,376 --> 00:56:08,376
So, yeah, I think you just got to keep your head on a swivel with all this still.

968
00:56:08,516 --> 00:56:09,856
You know, question everything still.

969
00:56:09,856 --> 00:56:17,096
the the bad one was uh i remember they did the jeff bezos landed or uh i don't know who it was

970
00:56:17,096 --> 00:56:22,776
um i think it was the government they landed their spacecraft into the ocean and then it was all

971
00:56:22,776 --> 00:56:30,196
um ai generated supposedly and then i couldn't tell but my stepdad could tell and he was like

972
00:56:30,196 --> 00:56:35,216
man look how perfect the waves look and the parachutes they're flying perfect i didn't

973
00:56:35,216 --> 00:56:41,656
notice at first but yeah then you sit and watch and it's like whoa it's a perfect day yeah i'm

974
00:56:41,656 --> 00:56:47,696
waiting for somebody a startup in the ai space to do like a recreation of uh what was that 1924

975
00:56:47,696 --> 00:56:52,616
broadcast where they they said there was a mars invasion or something they did this whole

976
00:56:52,616 --> 00:56:58,316
you know radio broadcast or whatever i bet i can't wait for that that ai startup to do something like

977
00:56:58,316 --> 00:57:03,596
that with this sort of thing but just all over the planet at once that's going to be cool

978
00:57:03,596 --> 00:57:07,436
somebody's that's an idea for somebody out there

979
00:57:07,436 --> 00:57:17,216
looks like we got uh oh let's jump into your you had a you had us you're gonna go okay cool

980
00:57:17,216 --> 00:57:25,376
we have thanks for joining us g later g pleasure kian we have uh your story kian how to turn llm

981
00:57:25,376 --> 00:57:32,536
nokio into a real boy yeah of course we wrote this um it's based he's basically helping us

982
00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:37,876
understand how LLMs work by using the story of Pinocchio, which most people are familiar

983
00:57:37,876 --> 00:57:44,656
with as they reach adult age. But you can kind of imagine Geppetto puts, rather than

984
00:57:44,656 --> 00:57:53,276
Pinocchio being made purely out of wood, there's like a computer inside of Pinocchio's head.

985
00:57:53,276 --> 00:58:00,696
And that's how he is thinking. That is the process by which he's thinking. And is he

986
00:58:00,696 --> 00:58:08,216
really thinking how does geppetto get him to think more more realistically to be more effective at

987
00:58:08,216 --> 00:58:17,656
being a boy is by if we're if he's training uh pinocchio to like imitate a bunch of other works

988
00:58:17,656 --> 00:58:23,816
uh or like things that he's read or things that he's been trained on is that does that make him

989
00:58:23,816 --> 00:58:29,896
real you know what what then it's kind of this progression of of geppetto trying to turn pinocchio

990
00:58:29,896 --> 00:58:31,856
more and more into what Pinocchio wants,

991
00:58:31,896 --> 00:58:33,036
which is to be a real boy,

992
00:58:33,236 --> 00:58:35,276
and kind of steps you through the process

993
00:58:35,276 --> 00:58:39,216
of making an LLM more like the LLMs

994
00:58:39,216 --> 00:58:40,296
that we're familiar with.

995
00:58:40,936 --> 00:58:46,776
And then it ends with the way many people think

996
00:58:46,776 --> 00:58:48,116
that we'll achieve AGI,

997
00:58:48,476 --> 00:58:50,336
which is where you, you know,

998
00:58:50,596 --> 00:58:53,156
using Pinocchio's nose as sort of a sensor,

999
00:58:54,636 --> 00:58:56,816
like it's like a feedback mechanism

1000
00:58:56,816 --> 00:58:59,496
from the real world is Pinocchio's nose,

1001
00:58:59,496 --> 00:59:02,036
where it gets broken.

1002
00:59:02,236 --> 00:59:08,416
His nose gets kind of bulbous and then eventually breaks and hurts him when he's wrong about

1003
00:59:08,416 --> 00:59:13,356
something, when he lies, when he has a hallucination like the LLMs have.

1004
00:59:14,156 --> 00:59:18,456
And so that's how some people imagine we get to AGI is by creating enough of Pinocchio's

1005
00:59:18,456 --> 00:59:19,196
nose on them.

1006
00:59:19,856 --> 00:59:25,096
Anyway, I thought it was a good post for anyone who enjoys metaphor.

1007
00:59:25,676 --> 00:59:26,496
I think it's a good post.

1008
00:59:26,496 --> 00:59:42,934
It also a good post if anyone is maybe not super technically deep into LLM stuff but want to learn more about them Yeah I thought it was good Cool Amazing It looks like Optimism dropped some some alpha in there

1009
00:59:42,934 --> 00:59:49,954
Definitely check that. Cool. The one I wanted to bring up was the the Breeze.

1010
00:59:49,954 --> 00:59:53,954
It's time to build. Breeze launches global developer challenge. Did you see

1011
00:59:53,954 --> 01:00:02,674
this key on yes please come in yes uh which one about the time to build time to build yep

1012
01:00:03,954 --> 01:00:09,314
yeah um yeah you turned me on to time to build stuff yeah we were we were talking with chris

1013
01:00:09,314 --> 01:00:14,354
yesterday and he was kind of going through the full stack and kind of the different options that

1014
01:00:14,354 --> 01:00:21,154
you can do we're talking about the prize pool so um looks like walahara uh hackerspace and walahara

1015
01:00:21,154 --> 01:00:22,094
is going to jump in.

1016
01:00:23,614 --> 01:00:25,054
And I think we got

1017
01:00:25,054 --> 01:00:27,114
Topher and some of the other builders in PlubLab are going

1018
01:00:27,114 --> 01:00:28,954
to jump in too as well. So we might have a battle

1019
01:00:28,954 --> 01:00:29,834
of the hackerspaces.

1020
01:00:30,834 --> 01:00:32,794
I'm going to talk to Steven next week and see if maybe

1021
01:00:32,794 --> 01:00:34,494
he's going to jump in.

1022
01:00:34,754 --> 01:00:36,794
They usually do because Alex and

1023
01:00:36,794 --> 01:00:38,214
Steven usually win these things.

1024
01:00:39,654 --> 01:00:40,634
We might see.

1025
01:00:41,874 --> 01:00:42,614
It actually might be

1026
01:00:42,614 --> 01:00:44,934
some really good stuff that turns out

1027
01:00:44,934 --> 01:00:46,354
from this. But 7k prize,

1028
01:00:46,494 --> 01:00:48,354
3,500,000

1029
01:00:48,354 --> 01:00:50,414
selected projects.

1030
01:00:50,414 --> 01:00:56,334
you also get a startup school residency in club lab so if you win that's an option if you want it

1031
01:00:56,334 --> 01:01:03,074
um and yeah it's a global effort it's really cool i met uh lisa from the tokyo bitcoin base

1032
01:01:03,074 --> 01:01:08,094
she's really cool person doing a lot of really cool stuff she's even doing her own kind of

1033
01:01:08,094 --> 01:01:12,714
startup too um so they're doing really cool things there it was great to meet her

1034
01:01:12,714 --> 01:01:18,654
um and then of course chris from walahara and then wesley from tampa bay was here um they just

1035
01:01:18,654 --> 01:01:24,814
moved into a really cool space. Kathy Wood, apparently, that apparently is just an office

1036
01:01:24,814 --> 01:01:30,934
in Tampa, but they moved into a really cool space there. So a lot of really cool people are involved.

1037
01:01:32,214 --> 01:01:35,594
It started on the 7th. We did a kickoff event here at the White Paper House.

1038
01:01:36,974 --> 01:01:41,554
And I think the biggest friction point that we had, and I told Danny this, I emailed him, but

1039
01:01:41,554 --> 01:01:45,834
the biggest friction point that we had is that you had to go to the contact form and then you had to

1040
01:01:45,834 --> 01:01:48,994
input some information to get emailed API keys.

1041
01:01:49,154 --> 01:01:52,234
And I think that was a big friction thing.

1042
01:01:52,514 --> 01:01:56,914
So that definitely stopped some things because they were building.

1043
01:01:57,154 --> 01:02:00,094
And then when that happened, that was like they stopped.

1044
01:02:01,574 --> 01:02:06,634
So that's, as you know, as a builder, that's, yeah.

1045
01:02:08,074 --> 01:02:13,234
Anyways, but anyway, but he's, and they do have like a whole chat group.

1046
01:02:13,274 --> 01:02:14,234
So you could just jump in there.

1047
01:02:14,234 --> 01:02:16,574
But yeah, the submission deadline is the 15th.

1048
01:02:16,574 --> 01:02:20,774
So you literally have a month to build if any stackers are out there.

1049
01:02:21,254 --> 01:02:22,874
Keon is a judge.

1050
01:02:23,294 --> 01:02:27,554
And so is Lisa and Roy from Breeze and some other people.

1051
01:02:27,894 --> 01:02:29,654
Kevin, we were talking about LightSpark earlier.

1052
01:02:30,414 --> 01:02:32,634
And Jeff Booth, Keon's best friend.

1053
01:02:33,294 --> 01:02:36,094
And Giacomo, another person that Keon's really close with.

1054
01:02:36,534 --> 01:02:37,294
So there you go.

1055
01:02:37,694 --> 01:02:40,054
A lot of people that Keon's like really best friends with.

1056
01:02:40,494 --> 01:02:42,654
That I've never met, but we are tight.

1057
01:02:42,654 --> 01:02:46,114
The only people I know are Lisa and Roy.

1058
01:02:46,534 --> 01:02:49,534
Everybody else, I know Jeff, but I only met him twice.

1059
01:02:49,674 --> 01:02:50,434
He's a really nice guy.

1060
01:02:52,654 --> 01:02:53,694
I've only met Lisa.

1061
01:02:54,014 --> 01:02:57,254
I think that's the only person I've met from all the channels.

1062
01:02:58,394 --> 01:02:58,994
Pretty cool.

1063
01:02:59,554 --> 01:03:00,774
Yeah, if you want to check it out, check it out.

1064
01:03:01,054 --> 01:03:03,234
The other thing I wanted to bring up was Startup Day, day one.

1065
01:03:03,434 --> 01:03:07,414
I posted a lot of pictures there from Startup Day on day one.

1066
01:03:07,514 --> 01:03:09,614
It was really fun, all the camera crew.

1067
01:03:09,694 --> 01:03:10,814
They have gelato there.

1068
01:03:10,814 --> 01:03:11,554
I didn't even tell you.

1069
01:03:11,634 --> 01:03:12,214
They have gelato.

1070
01:03:12,654 --> 01:03:17,854
really like they're really good gelato i've never had gelato before but they have a gelato bar

1071
01:03:17,854 --> 01:03:26,534
inside the thing it was nuts yeah tiramisu put the gelato three thumbs up if i had three thumbs

1072
01:03:26,534 --> 01:03:32,794
um but yeah really cool play it was cool this little kid he wants to be like francisco

1073
01:03:32,794 --> 01:03:38,594
isn't that amazing isn't that cool you like want to take yeah i can't francisco

1074
01:03:38,594 --> 01:03:44,834
oh i can't see that oh you can't see it oh but dude francisco's turning into the jack

1075
01:03:44,834 --> 01:03:50,354
mallers of latin america it's crazy i've always said that but i think it's official at this point

1076
01:03:50,354 --> 01:03:55,414
like there's little kids that want to get it there's little kids that want to be like francisco

1077
01:03:55,414 --> 01:04:03,734
um but anyway and then there's like the television crew and really good group there it was fun

1078
01:04:03,734 --> 01:04:09,714
there's a and then we also did a time to build presentation but the internet was uh it was just

1079
01:04:09,714 --> 01:04:16,194
too many people so we got cut off and then we tried going live again and then i posted it again

1080
01:04:16,194 --> 01:04:23,294
here so if you want to watch me and chris talk about all sorts of crazy stuff we go we go on for

1081
01:04:23,294 --> 01:04:31,854
like 56 minutes but uh it was good it was really good stuff um and then the last thing i want to

1082
01:04:31,854 --> 01:04:37,534
mention is today's day two i just posted some more pictures i'm going to post some more here

1083
01:04:37,534 --> 01:04:45,654
in a second but um justin our friend justin shock net he dropped uh he dropped c-link uh you can run

1084
01:04:45,654 --> 01:04:51,654
a lightning note in under a minute so that got dropped today and he literally dropped did it in

1085
01:04:51,654 --> 01:04:58,874
under a minute it was cool to see uh that's that's the wild hustle right there he had shoes that said

1086
01:04:58,874 --> 01:05:01,154
runster on it and shorts, dude.

1087
01:05:01,174 --> 01:05:01,874
It was crazy.

1088
01:05:02,834 --> 01:05:04,974
He's so cool. He's probably the

1089
01:05:04,974 --> 01:05:06,454
coolest person in Club Lab, honestly.

1090
01:05:07,894 --> 01:05:09,054
Sorry, Keon, you're no longer

1091
01:05:09,054 --> 01:05:09,774
the coolest person.

1092
01:05:11,054 --> 01:05:12,834
Oh, it definitely was never the coolest person.

1093
01:05:13,194 --> 01:05:14,814
I would say probably...

1094
01:05:14,814 --> 01:05:17,094
Do we even have a cool person?

1095
01:05:17,314 --> 01:05:18,794
I would probably think it's Club Devs.

1096
01:05:18,854 --> 01:05:20,274
I would say it's Club Devs.

1097
01:05:21,494 --> 01:05:22,694
Yeah, he's pretty cool.

1098
01:05:22,954 --> 01:05:24,794
He knows he's cool. He doesn't come on

1099
01:05:24,794 --> 01:05:26,594
saccharinies anymore. He's like, I'm too cool for you guys.

1100
01:05:27,774 --> 01:05:28,094
Yeah.

1101
01:05:28,094 --> 01:05:29,354
He's got my grant.

1102
01:05:29,594 --> 01:05:30,034
I'm killing.

1103
01:05:31,334 --> 01:05:32,434
He's a dev fluencer.

1104
01:05:32,954 --> 01:05:33,934
He's too big for us.

1105
01:05:34,794 --> 01:05:36,994
But anyway, day two is really amazing.

1106
01:05:38,654 --> 01:05:40,394
But yeah, check it out, Staggers, if you're interested.

1107
01:05:40,794 --> 01:05:42,934
We weren't able to record it, unfortunately.

1108
01:05:43,054 --> 01:05:43,914
At least I don't think we did.

1109
01:05:44,214 --> 01:05:46,134
But yeah, that's why you got to do these.

1110
01:05:46,234 --> 01:05:47,494
You had to come to these events live.

1111
01:05:47,814 --> 01:05:50,354
I mean, that's why it's good to come out to these.

1112
01:05:51,474 --> 01:05:52,914
Yeah, especially the small ones.

1113
01:05:53,054 --> 01:05:54,374
The ones that haven't gotten big yet.

1114
01:05:55,374 --> 01:05:55,734
Yeah.

1115
01:05:55,734 --> 01:05:55,854
Yeah.

1116
01:05:55,854 --> 01:05:58,314
If we had more money, then we probably could have.

1117
01:05:58,634 --> 01:06:02,454
If we had more sponsors, then we probably could have recorded it,

1118
01:06:02,474 --> 01:06:04,974
but we just didn't have the sponsorship to do it.

1119
01:06:05,954 --> 01:06:10,954
And the last thing we're going to bring up is Pleb Poets Zine.

1120
01:06:11,714 --> 01:06:12,554
What's this?

1121
01:06:12,914 --> 01:06:13,554
What's this, Ian?

1122
01:06:14,774 --> 01:06:17,574
Yeah, this is the 28th Zine.

1123
01:06:17,574 --> 01:06:23,114
I think we skipped 27, but this is the Zine for this week.

1124
01:06:23,114 --> 01:06:25,574
after a short break.

1125
01:06:26,114 --> 01:06:28,234
And there's a puzzle in it.

1126
01:06:28,434 --> 01:06:30,074
And we have one classified ad.

1127
01:06:30,374 --> 01:06:33,834
It looks like the Agora folks have recreated

1128
01:06:33,834 --> 01:06:37,254
the Lightning Store t-shirt that we had.

1129
01:06:39,834 --> 01:06:41,794
And so you can buy that from them.

1130
01:06:43,734 --> 01:06:45,734
Yeah, but that is the new zine.

1131
01:06:45,734 --> 01:06:49,814
And you can also buy all, I think, a collector pack of 20 zines.

1132
01:06:49,994 --> 01:06:51,594
I don't know why it's not all the zines.

1133
01:06:51,594 --> 01:07:00,394
but you can buy a collector pack of 20 for 50 000 sats um and was like man

1134
01:07:00,394 --> 01:07:06,954
stacker news offline and then i think it was i forget who it was i think it was undisciplined

1135
01:07:06,954 --> 01:07:11,554
he said you should have just brought a zine with you man and i was like duh i should have brought

1136
01:07:11,554 --> 01:07:16,234
a zine i didn't even think about it like it never and there was like so many on ek's desk i could

1137
01:07:16,234 --> 01:07:16,854
I just brought him.

1138
01:07:17,934 --> 01:07:20,314
Yeah, that's kind of dumb of me not to ring a zine

1139
01:07:20,314 --> 01:07:21,574
at all as a backup.

1140
01:07:23,254 --> 01:07:24,274
This is... Don't be like

1141
01:07:24,274 --> 01:07:26,194
me. Don't be like me, Stackers.

1142
01:07:26,254 --> 01:07:27,374
If you're going on travel,

1143
01:07:28,114 --> 01:07:30,454
on a trip,

1144
01:07:31,294 --> 01:07:32,314
take a couple zines

1145
01:07:32,314 --> 01:07:34,514
with you and you still get stacker news

1146
01:07:34,514 --> 01:07:36,594
on the flight.

1147
01:07:37,034 --> 01:07:37,774
Something to read.

1148
01:07:37,774 --> 01:07:39,174
I was literally like

1149
01:07:39,174 --> 01:07:42,114
couldn't even get in the airport. I was so sad.

1150
01:07:43,394 --> 01:07:43,974
You don't

1151
01:07:43,974 --> 01:07:45,054
bring books when you travel?

1152
01:07:45,054 --> 01:07:48,694
I usually just on my phone

1153
01:07:48,694 --> 01:07:50,354
usually on my phone

1154
01:07:50,354 --> 01:07:52,074
listen to music and then I'll check out

1155
01:07:52,074 --> 01:07:53,214
Sacker News and talk crap

1156
01:07:53,214 --> 01:07:55,274
I like talking crap on Sacker News

1157
01:07:55,274 --> 01:07:56,954
it's my only social media

1158
01:07:56,954 --> 01:08:00,074
I haven't been on this week because I've just been too busy

1159
01:08:00,074 --> 01:08:02,294
but usually on there

1160
01:08:02,294 --> 01:08:02,994
talking crap

1161
01:08:02,994 --> 01:08:08,834
I'm either doing that or doing work

1162
01:08:08,834 --> 01:08:11,234
you know

1163
01:08:11,234 --> 01:08:13,674
cool

1164
01:08:13,674 --> 01:08:15,354
the other thing I should mention because

1165
01:08:15,354 --> 01:08:18,114
we're going to be at TAPCOMF next week

1166
01:08:18,114 --> 01:08:20,194
Pep Poet

1167
01:08:20,194 --> 01:08:22,434
sent me the cover for the DVDs

1168
01:08:22,434 --> 01:08:24,234
so I'm flying back

1169
01:08:24,234 --> 01:08:26,354
on Sunday Keon so I'll see you

1170
01:08:26,354 --> 01:08:28,214
I don't know if I'll see you Sunday but I'm going to

1171
01:08:28,214 --> 01:08:29,394
pick up the DVDs

1172
01:08:29,394 --> 01:08:32,174
and then I'm going to take them

1173
01:08:32,174 --> 01:08:33,274
with me to TAPCOMF

1174
01:08:33,274 --> 01:08:34,834
but

1175
01:08:34,834 --> 01:08:37,294
what was I going to tell you

1176
01:08:37,294 --> 01:08:40,214
so the DVDs

1177
01:08:40,214 --> 01:08:41,574
will be there, DVDs are

1178
01:08:41,574 --> 01:08:43,994
are done. I need to burn

1179
01:08:43,994 --> 01:08:46,234
them on demand.

1180
01:08:47,054 --> 01:08:48,154
But if you're interested

1181
01:08:48,154 --> 01:08:49,874
in getting the SNL DVD,

1182
01:08:52,654 --> 01:08:54,094
then find me

1183
01:08:54,094 --> 01:08:56,254
at TapComp and we'll have some at the

1184
01:08:56,254 --> 01:08:58,114
table.

1185
01:08:59,294 --> 01:08:59,694
They look

1186
01:08:59,694 --> 01:09:01,914
really cool. Do you have anything to say after

1187
01:09:01,914 --> 01:09:03,994
did we record it last week? Did we talk about this

1188
01:09:03,994 --> 01:09:04,834
last week? I don't remember.

1189
01:09:07,294 --> 01:09:07,974
I think

1190
01:09:07,974 --> 01:09:10,154
we did talk a bit. Didn't we film the

1191
01:09:10,154 --> 01:09:11,354
commentary last week?

1192
01:09:11,574 --> 01:09:15,854
Yeah, I did. We did. Yeah. Yeah. After a week.

1193
01:09:16,734 --> 01:09:22,094
Oh, I thought it was, I thought it was fun. It was fun looking back at everything.

1194
01:09:22,094 --> 01:09:25,094
We kind of were talking a bunch during the commentary.

1195
01:09:26,234 --> 01:09:28,354
So I didn't really get to watch it, watch it.

1196
01:09:29,134 --> 01:09:30,234
But I thought it was fun.

1197
01:09:30,354 --> 01:09:33,254
Like a lot of moments that I only like vaguely remembered.

1198
01:09:33,714 --> 01:09:35,734
I got to see fully again.

1199
01:09:35,734 --> 01:09:37,874
and yeah

1200
01:09:37,874 --> 01:09:40,174
it was a blast

1201
01:09:40,174 --> 01:09:41,394
and I'm surprised

1202
01:09:41,394 --> 01:09:43,754
it was so long ago

1203
01:09:43,754 --> 01:09:45,294
it was several years ago

1204
01:09:45,294 --> 01:09:48,294
especially because it's like the first

1205
01:09:48,294 --> 01:09:50,554
100 videos and we're like what in 300 now

1206
01:09:50,554 --> 01:09:51,554
or so almost

1207
01:09:51,554 --> 01:09:54,374
we're at 192 we're about to

1208
01:09:54,374 --> 01:09:56,354
get to 200 or 193 we're about

1209
01:09:56,354 --> 01:09:56,994
to get to 200

1210
01:09:56,994 --> 01:09:59,594
we're closing in

1211
01:09:59,594 --> 01:10:01,554
we're closing in on 200

1212
01:10:01,554 --> 01:10:04,134
but yeah

1213
01:10:04,134 --> 01:10:08,054
it was uh we're gonna have those for sale so if you guys are interested in buying them

1214
01:10:08,054 --> 01:10:13,974
come find us at the table we'll have some swag and uh kian you're gonna be at the desk you're

1215
01:10:13,974 --> 01:10:20,294
gonna be at the stacker news desk i will be at the table uh as long as i can stand it which

1216
01:10:20,294 --> 01:10:26,294
might not be very long but really i mean you know me i like to hide i like to go to conferences and

1217
01:10:26,294 --> 01:10:31,494
go to talks and hide so i'll just like are you gonna like not hang out there the whole time

1218
01:10:31,494 --> 01:10:38,474
uh not the whole time certainly not the whole time so you're actually gonna just abandon book

1219
01:10:38,474 --> 01:10:44,754
books will be one there no i won't abandon book we have some other folks that are going to be there

1220
01:10:44,754 --> 01:10:50,314
okay so yeah so you're gonna are you gonna make at least like a couple debuts there are you gonna

1221
01:10:50,314 --> 01:10:58,034
come in for like you know an hour spells at least um i don't i don't really have any plans with

1222
01:10:58,034 --> 01:10:59,894
regard to it. Look at this guy.

1223
01:11:00,814 --> 01:11:02,054
You see what I'm dealing with

1224
01:11:02,054 --> 01:11:03,534
stackers? This diva.

1225
01:11:05,014 --> 01:11:06,074
It's not a diva thing.

1226
01:11:06,234 --> 01:11:07,874
It's like I just don't

1227
01:11:07,874 --> 01:11:08,674
like being

1228
01:11:08,674 --> 01:11:10,514
uncomfortable

1229
01:11:10,514 --> 01:11:12,614
for too long.

1230
01:11:13,594 --> 01:11:14,914
Anyway, we'll see.

1231
01:11:15,614 --> 01:11:17,474
We'll see. I'll try to convince some stackers.

1232
01:11:17,534 --> 01:11:18,994
I'll try to convince them to do 30 minute

1233
01:11:18,994 --> 01:11:21,454
blocks. Maybe if I

1234
01:11:21,454 --> 01:11:23,534
drag them and then me and him both be there

1235
01:11:23,534 --> 01:11:24,414
I'll make them more comfortable.

1236
01:11:25,374 --> 01:11:27,334
I use some of my tiz whispering to

1237
01:11:27,334 --> 01:11:28,954
to convince them.

1238
01:11:29,794 --> 01:11:30,534
Calm me down.

1239
01:11:32,374 --> 01:11:33,894
I'll be there most of the time

1240
01:11:33,894 --> 01:11:35,694
at the table, so you can come find me there.

1241
01:11:35,954 --> 01:11:37,674
And then we're going to do

1242
01:11:37,674 --> 01:11:39,434
Saccharides Live next Thursday, right?

1243
01:11:39,834 --> 01:11:40,434
On a Thursday?

1244
01:11:41,574 --> 01:11:42,534
So we'll do that around.

1245
01:11:42,934 --> 01:11:44,934
I think I have a panel in the morning,

1246
01:11:45,174 --> 01:11:47,614
and then I think we're going to do it around 1 o'clock, 1.30.

1247
01:11:48,454 --> 01:11:49,734
And then we'll do it

1248
01:11:49,734 --> 01:11:50,374
live from there.

1249
01:11:51,314 --> 01:11:52,674
Hopefully we have internet.

1250
01:11:53,054 --> 01:11:55,874
If we don't, it's just going to be a local recording,

1251
01:11:55,874 --> 01:11:57,794
and then we'll upload it later at the hotel or something.

1252
01:11:58,194 --> 01:11:58,994
Or at the Airbnb.

1253
01:11:59,794 --> 01:12:00,374
Club B&B.

1254
01:12:01,414 --> 01:12:03,154
And then, yeah.

1255
01:12:03,494 --> 01:12:05,014
It's going to be a fast week.

1256
01:12:06,394 --> 01:12:07,394
What else do we got?

1257
01:12:10,774 --> 01:12:11,274
Oh, yeah.

1258
01:12:11,294 --> 01:12:12,814
We got to do the top cowboys, right?

1259
01:12:13,954 --> 01:12:14,554
That's right.

1260
01:12:15,134 --> 01:12:16,094
People will be really disappointed.

1261
01:12:16,094 --> 01:12:16,814
Top cowboys.

1262
01:12:18,034 --> 01:12:19,154
Top cowboys.

1263
01:12:19,254 --> 01:12:20,634
Who's the top cowboy today?

1264
01:12:21,734 --> 01:12:23,034
Oh, it's Siggy47.

1265
01:12:23,314 --> 01:12:23,934
What do you know?

1266
01:12:23,934 --> 01:12:26,094
it's always Siggy47.

1267
01:12:26,434 --> 01:12:28,014
Every week it's Siggy47.

1268
01:12:28,434 --> 01:12:30,054
Ted, every week.

1269
01:12:30,594 --> 01:12:32,134
I don't know what's going on with Siggy.

1270
01:12:32,574 --> 01:12:33,514
Maybe there's 47

1271
01:12:33,514 --> 01:12:35,734
Siggy's, you think?

1272
01:12:35,994 --> 01:12:37,354
Is that what you're saying? Here, you want the mic?

1273
01:12:38,734 --> 01:12:40,094
Ted says there's 47

1274
01:12:40,094 --> 01:12:40,954
Siggy's, he thinks.

1275
01:12:42,094 --> 01:12:43,474
Oh, that's not a bad

1276
01:12:43,474 --> 01:12:45,034
guess.

1277
01:12:45,174 --> 01:12:46,314
He's getting pulled in.

1278
01:12:46,374 --> 01:12:49,094
I'm getting pulled in for my extremely important comment here.

1279
01:12:49,374 --> 01:12:51,274
There's actually 47

1280
01:12:51,274 --> 01:12:53,134
Siggy's. That's my contribution

1281
01:12:53,134 --> 01:12:54,414
to this stacker news live.

1282
01:12:55,514 --> 01:12:56,794
What are you guys doing out there?

1283
01:12:57,494 --> 01:12:58,434
What did you guys do

1284
01:12:58,434 --> 01:12:59,854
once I've been recording?

1285
01:13:01,134 --> 01:13:03,174
I've packed because my flight is at

1286
01:13:03,174 --> 01:13:05,054
7 a.m. I thought it was at 8 a.m.

1287
01:13:05,054 --> 01:13:07,314
So luckily I checked and it's actually at 7 a.m.

1288
01:13:07,494 --> 01:13:09,574
Which means I need to wake up around

1289
01:13:09,574 --> 01:13:11,394
3.40 a.m.

1290
01:13:11,394 --> 01:13:11,914
Oh, wow.

1291
01:13:12,034 --> 01:13:15,134
Which is a tricky time to be waking up.

1292
01:13:16,234 --> 01:13:17,974
How long is it going to take you

1293
01:13:17,974 --> 01:13:18,494
to get to the airport?

1294
01:13:18,834 --> 01:13:19,694
I think it's 30 minutes.

1295
01:13:20,754 --> 01:13:22,234
So let's say I leave at 4.

1296
01:13:23,134 --> 01:13:24,014
Get there at 4.30.

1297
01:13:24,274 --> 01:13:24,654
Wow.

1298
01:13:24,794 --> 01:13:26,114
Flight board's at 6.20.

1299
01:13:26,494 --> 01:13:26,794
Wow.

1300
01:13:26,814 --> 01:13:29,034
So that's about two hours.

1301
01:13:30,414 --> 01:13:31,834
Are you going to smuggle anything?

1302
01:13:32,474 --> 01:13:34,874
Yeah, I have a couple Mexican children.

1303
01:13:36,774 --> 01:13:37,954
That were pretty cute.

1304
01:13:39,794 --> 01:13:42,674
I have some tortillas I'm going to try to bring across the border.

1305
01:13:42,674 --> 01:13:44,274
We'll see if they let it take them.

1306
01:13:44,974 --> 01:13:46,534
They're that good, the tortillas?

1307
01:13:46,554 --> 01:13:48,094
Dude, they were really good.

1308
01:13:49,254 --> 01:13:49,654
Wow.

1309
01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:50,854
They'll probably stop me.

1310
01:13:50,874 --> 01:13:51,474
What are they doing?

1311
01:13:52,374 --> 01:13:52,774
We'll see.

1312
01:13:52,774 --> 01:14:00,394
kian you want anything i don't know i mean like look at this videotape and say we heard you say

1313
01:14:00,394 --> 01:14:07,394
this yeah that's right i guess i can't i don't know like a kilo of cocaine maybe oh yeah that's

1314
01:14:07,394 --> 01:14:11,554
just a gift oh that's not possible they don't have that here it's actually a really safe right

1315
01:14:11,554 --> 01:14:16,334
not really safe town yeah it's like more like a meth thing or like uh no it's a really safe

1316
01:14:16,334 --> 01:14:22,374
video that's like really safe it's like there's a university here and it's really safe yeah

1317
01:14:22,374 --> 01:14:27,714
okay but that could be the drug money making it safe i don't think so i mean how what do you think

1318
01:14:27,714 --> 01:14:32,774
ted is it this is amazing totally changed my perspective on mexico when i first arrived i

1319
01:14:32,774 --> 01:14:37,794
look i'm looking at the sidewalks are all like kind of beat up sidewalks i'm like uh this doesn't

1320
01:14:37,794 --> 01:14:42,954
look like a very nice place like 30 minutes of walking around outside i'm like this is really

1321
01:14:42,954 --> 01:14:47,354
nice and there's something about the beat up sidewalks i kind of like now it's weird it's like

1322
01:14:47,354 --> 01:14:52,274
i don't know there's something nice about it it's like the sidewalks aren't trying to impose

1323
01:14:52,274 --> 01:14:56,214
themselves on the road they're kind of just chilling way to look at it did you were you

1324
01:14:56,214 --> 01:15:00,914
surprised that when you you look at the outside it's not what it is on the inside the inside is

1325
01:15:00,914 --> 01:15:07,574
amazing like these buildings are so cool this uh bitcoin space that we went to uh it's kind of like

1326
01:15:07,574 --> 01:15:12,194
i would almost say it's four stories that's a good way to put it because they've got two different

1327
01:15:12,194 --> 01:15:17,834
stories of uh rooftop it's only you can almost argue it's five stories i mean the in the inside

1328
01:15:17,834 --> 01:15:21,854
the second story has two like it's like a half story so they got a couple half stories

1329
01:15:21,854 --> 01:15:29,394
super nice bright colors inside like actually a very large uh place when you start exploring it

1330
01:15:29,394 --> 01:15:37,114
it's it's mayan right is that what it is it's a mayan uh style style i have no idea everything's

1331
01:15:37,114 --> 01:15:43,114
really tiny here like it's um like everything's tiny it's kind of cool being a giant in a small

1332
01:15:43,114 --> 01:15:51,194
country or a small area i feel like what's tiny huh what do you mean what's tiny like doorknobs

1333
01:15:51,194 --> 01:15:52,414
The doorknobs are tiny.

1334
01:15:52,734 --> 01:15:53,794
The doors are tiny.

1335
01:15:54,134 --> 01:15:55,294
The toilets are tiny.

1336
01:15:55,654 --> 01:15:57,174
Yeah, because they're made for small people.

1337
01:15:58,354 --> 01:15:59,034
Oh, I see.

1338
01:15:59,394 --> 01:16:00,394
Yeah, it's really cute, though.

1339
01:16:00,454 --> 01:16:01,074
It's really cute.

1340
01:16:01,174 --> 01:16:02,494
It's like Hobbitville.

1341
01:16:03,014 --> 01:16:04,214
But it's in a cute way.

1342
01:16:05,734 --> 01:16:08,034
I like it because I'm just the same size as that brother.

1343
01:16:09,954 --> 01:16:11,194
Me and G are kind of like...

1344
01:16:11,974 --> 01:16:13,414
Me and G are like walking around.

1345
01:16:13,514 --> 01:16:15,454
We're like, is it uncomfortable for you?

1346
01:16:15,454 --> 01:16:19,094
I'm like, no, it kind of just feels like we're NBA players.

1347
01:16:19,094 --> 01:16:23,134
my buddy is 6'8

1348
01:16:23,134 --> 01:16:24,654
and he traveled to

1349
01:16:24,654 --> 01:16:26,614
I think it was like Laos or someplace

1350
01:16:26,614 --> 01:16:28,294
the people were very short there

1351
01:16:28,294 --> 01:16:29,794
in Laos like the average

1352
01:16:29,794 --> 01:16:32,234
man is like 5'3

1353
01:16:32,234 --> 01:16:33,554
and he's 6'8

1354
01:16:33,554 --> 01:16:35,974
and he was a celebrity

1355
01:16:35,974 --> 01:16:38,054
he was actually like he couldn't get anywhere

1356
01:16:38,054 --> 01:16:40,094
because everyone just wanted to selfie with him constantly

1357
01:16:40,094 --> 01:16:41,134
yeah

1358
01:16:41,134 --> 01:16:42,814
it's really cool

1359
01:16:42,814 --> 01:16:46,054
yeah so we got

1360
01:16:46,054 --> 01:16:47,954
Kube number 2 undisciplined blockchain

1361
01:16:47,954 --> 01:16:49,654
Boog, Ray Ruby, Coins Reporter.

1362
01:16:49,734 --> 01:16:50,734
I don't think anything's changed.

1363
01:16:51,214 --> 01:16:51,654
Optimism.

1364
01:16:51,674 --> 01:16:52,294
I don't think so either.

1365
01:16:52,934 --> 01:16:53,154
Yeah.

1366
01:16:53,334 --> 01:16:54,194
Looks pretty normal.

1367
01:16:54,694 --> 01:16:55,334
Looks pretty normal.

1368
01:16:55,674 --> 01:16:56,374
Key on.

1369
01:16:57,014 --> 01:16:58,034
What are you doing this weekend?

1370
01:17:00,414 --> 01:17:02,414
I'm not doing a whole bunch, I don't think.

1371
01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:05,394
Yeah.

1372
01:17:05,514 --> 01:17:06,214
Normal stuff.

1373
01:17:06,374 --> 01:17:07,194
You know, being boring.

1374
01:17:07,734 --> 01:17:09,234
Making sure I don't have any fun.

1375
01:17:10,494 --> 01:17:13,154
Which is getting easier as time goes on.

1376
01:17:13,214 --> 01:17:15,754
It used to be kind of a struggle to be as boring as I am.

1377
01:17:15,814 --> 01:17:17,254
But I've really gotten it down now.

1378
01:17:17,254 --> 01:17:20,594
and I'm just, I can just do nothing with ease.

1379
01:17:20,894 --> 01:17:23,494
So it's a skill issue for most people

1380
01:17:23,494 --> 01:17:26,914
that I've managed to really handle well.

1381
01:17:27,094 --> 01:17:29,214
So yeah, that's what I'm doing.

1382
01:17:29,514 --> 01:17:30,934
What are you up to this weekend?

1383
01:17:31,254 --> 01:17:32,354
You're traveling alone, aren't you?

1384
01:17:32,734 --> 01:17:34,234
Yeah, Ted, what are you up to this weekend?

1385
01:17:34,554 --> 01:17:35,734
I've got a very exciting weekend.

1386
01:17:36,094 --> 01:17:39,314
I am, my mother is an artist.

1387
01:17:39,434 --> 01:17:41,634
In kind of retirement, she became an artist.

1388
01:17:41,834 --> 01:17:42,674
That's her thing now.

1389
01:17:42,734 --> 01:17:44,214
So she is a botanist.

1390
01:17:44,234 --> 01:17:45,074
She draws flowers.

1391
01:17:45,074 --> 01:17:49,774
and she's gotten so good at drawing flowers that she's going to an award ceremony where

1392
01:17:49,774 --> 01:17:55,974
uh yeah she's getting an award and that's in new orleans so i'm flying from here to new orleans

1393
01:17:55,974 --> 01:17:59,514
they're all going to be partying on the beach on boats and all this stuff i'm gonna be with my

1394
01:17:59,514 --> 01:18:05,094
my parents uh going to my mom's thing for two days and then i'm gonna fly to tab conf

1395
01:18:05,094 --> 01:18:12,034
so tofer is probably gonna beat me to the airbnb at tab conf but i'll arrive kind of later on

1396
01:18:12,034 --> 01:18:14,574
Monday. I miss Monday, but I'll be there for the rest of it.

1397
01:18:14,934 --> 01:18:15,114
Yeah.

1398
01:18:16,134 --> 01:18:17,154
Congrats to your mom.

1399
01:18:17,674 --> 01:18:19,994
It's pretty good.

1400
01:18:20,654 --> 01:18:22,014
Is she giving out art?

1401
01:18:22,434 --> 01:18:24,134
Can you bring

1402
01:18:24,134 --> 01:18:25,554
some art back for the lab?

1403
01:18:26,674 --> 01:18:27,574
It's probably expensive.

1404
01:18:27,814 --> 01:18:28,454
I imagine, right?

1405
01:18:29,214 --> 01:18:30,494
She's winning awards.

1406
01:18:31,114 --> 01:18:33,094
It is good art. I've hung a bunch

1407
01:18:33,094 --> 01:18:34,954
in my apartment.

1408
01:18:35,954 --> 01:18:37,354
It's pretty good.

1409
01:18:37,894 --> 01:18:39,014
She was on the news recently.

1410
01:18:39,714 --> 01:18:40,194
Interesting.

1411
01:18:40,194 --> 01:18:43,134
Wow, looking forward to seeing pictures of that.

1412
01:18:44,654 --> 01:18:46,794
I'm going to be partying tomorrow.

1413
01:18:47,534 --> 01:18:51,294
And then on Sunday, I've got to travel back and then probably go to ACL.

1414
01:18:51,414 --> 01:18:51,734
We'll see.

1415
01:18:52,314 --> 01:18:54,154
We're going to see if we can get in there this time.

1416
01:18:55,874 --> 01:18:58,114
Probably take one of my normal, normie friends.

1417
01:18:58,694 --> 01:19:00,634
So you're going to go to Austin and then to TabConf?

1418
01:19:01,314 --> 01:19:01,554
Yeah.

1419
01:19:02,594 --> 01:19:03,074
Busy, busy.

1420
01:19:03,474 --> 01:19:04,394
Busy, busy, busy.

1421
01:19:04,954 --> 01:19:05,754
Should be fun.

1422
01:19:06,914 --> 01:19:08,734
Stackers, have yourself a great weekend.

1423
01:19:08,734 --> 01:19:14,494
make sure to hit unsubscribe so me and Kion can keep saying whatever we want and we don't have to

1424
01:19:14,494 --> 01:19:20,894
be forced to comply because complying never works in Bitcoin. Kion...