Live from Planned Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live!
Three years?
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome back to another exciting episode of Stacker News Live with my BFFs Brandon and
Keon.
How you doing, Brandon?
What's up?
Welcome to the crazy show called SNL.
How's it going?
You should come closer.
Come closer.
Let me scoot in.
Yeah, we're going to...
All friends here.
We're all friends.
There we go.
Cheers.
Sorry.
Sorry, Keon.
He's not working.
It's okay.
This is great.
Bitcoin Pleddeb bought us some McConaughey.
Just before the show.
The McConaughey's.
Oh, that's good.
Cool.
Brandon, how was your week?
It was outstanding.
You know, anytime I get to come down here and finish off the week with you,
You guys, it's a good week, man.
So, excited to be here.
Stacker News Live, man.
There we go.
I love it.
Big time show here.
Here we go.
Oh, yeah.
I think we have three subscribers now, Car.
It's good.
It's getting pretty big, man.
I mean, we're not Green Candle big yet.
I mean, we're not Green Candle big.
You guys got some dedicated fans, man.
I mean, they are dedicated.
They all hate me.
But they love Keon, though.
So, that's good.
No, I think they hate both of us.
Oh, cool.
They just hate watch?
Yeah.
We just try to make the podcast as bad as possible.
And we got a lot of people who still watch it.
Who might like us, but then the people who hate us, they stick around.
Yeah, the people that hate us definitely watch it.
And they hate watch it, which is cool.
I love them, though.
Call me.
We'll eventually serve the Mads and get them back.
They just want to see how crazy we can get.
That's what it is.
Keon, how was your week?
Retweet all this stuff.
I think it was pretty good.
I don't think anything happened that I remember.
Yeah, it was pretty normal.
I went to dinner last night.
I had a fancy cheeseburger.
I had a blueberry lard,
blueberry and whipped lard with bread.
That was pretty good.
What is it?
Whipped lard?
Isn't lard just like slang for, you know,
what comes out the rear end or what?
No.
Lard, well, I mean, it could be.
I mean, if you're asking me if I know for certain
what it is no i don't but i do i'm pretty sure that lard means it's like the fat of a pig ah okay
but it's blueberry that sounds interesting it was it was it was tasty it was like you can imagine
blueberry mixed with butter but it was mixed with large and i was that's just that just that was
like an appetizer thing so it shows you how kind of weird the menu was or interesting the menu was
This place said only local stuff.
And then we ordered, like, a local natural wine, which was also interesting.
I don't think I've had a natural wine before.
But that was it.
That was my fun.
That was my one day of the month I go out.
Yeah, me, I've just been catching up, man.
It's like South by.
I finally caught up with all my work on Thursday, and I still have, like, more work to do.
But, yeah, we're going to take the weekend off this weekend, though.
I'm just ready to.
What do you do when you take the weekend off?
Just hang out with family.
Just give us, like, a little.
Just hang out with family.
A little script.
Okay, you hang out with family.
But, yeah, I'm just really looking forward to just having a day off.
This could be good.
We have a lot to cover today, by the way, Snackers.
It's been a crazy week.
If you haven't been paying attention in Bitcoin or in the AI space.
But let me look.
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Show up, baby.
Every time.
Yeah, if you type the complete word out.
You just got to type in Stacker and.
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So if you've ever seen this crazy show, it's called Stacker News Live.
We cover the top three stories on Bitcoin every week on Stacker.News, the front page of Bitcoin.
I'm going to keep saying that, even though Coop doesn't like it.
Last week's most popular video, believe it or not, was this one, dude.
The Peter Thiel one.
People were, look, it started blowing up like a day ago.
Wait, scroll up here for a second.
I thought, did I see 14K views?
No.
What?
Has it got 14K views?
Yeah.
That's stupid.
That's a stupid video, though, dude.
Like, I don't know why people keep commenting on it.
We were at TabConf, and we completely misinterpreted an article that we covered,
and we got everything wrong about what's going on with graphing.
And that's, yeah.
That's our most popular video, though.
Look at that.
You can see, like, this one.
The next one I wanted.
Hey, Karin, Keanu, we're wrong about this.
You guys are idiots.
They were like, these guys are dumb.
Yeah, we had the Topher push and then the Tapconf push on that one.
So that's probably why it blew up.
We also have the hats in the front.
We should do that every episode, I think.
We're not going to do that.
It's a good thing.
I mean, literally, it was a good thing that Scorsese put all those hats right there.
Because had we not, we wouldn't.
I mean, 14,000.
14,000 views, man.
Who knows what caused it?
That's a good video right there.
It's also, too, I wasn't talking.
Look, I gave the mic away.
So maybe if I do less talking, that'll probably help.
Anyway, so just wanted to share, like the Antichrist video by Peter Thiel.
Dude, look at that.
No one's talking about it.
We got comments we got to respond to in those, by the way.
Oh, that's right.
I'm the guy.
There's a lot of comments in there.
It's wild.
I saw some of them.
If you're a stacker, you probably shouldn't watch that clip.
Why?
Actually, you should probably unsubscribe.
Yes, as we say, unsubscribe.
I think we got some unsubscribers this summer.
They keep subscribing back.
They were at 640 last week.
What they're doing is unsubscribing and then they subscribe back.
Have you ever seen that, Brandon, on your channel?
Where they unsubscribe and then they subscribe back?
Unsubscribe, resubscribe, and then unsubscribe and resubscribe again.
I think it helps with the algorithm.
I don't know.
It counts as two subscriptions.
I just thought it was a bunch of autists in Bitcoin that are just doing tiz things.
Yeah.
That's what I thought it was.
I think you don't understand autism, but it's maybe a different.
Hey.
Not worth talking about right now.
It's not worth talking about.
Anyways, we're going to cover the top three stories.
Let me see where's the one I just posted right now.
Oh, there it goes.
Cool.
The first, the number three top story this week is the case for a conservative Bitcoin client.
This is from Jimmy Song, longtime stacker.
March 23rd, 25 comments, 9,514 sets.
Key on.
What's this?
I've never heard of this before.
you did you heard about it this week we talked you and I talked about it just to let people in
on the kayfabe that Cara likes to do but it looks like Jimmy Song Samson Mao I think that's how you
say his name and who's the other person oh crap there's like three main people I only know Jimmy
Song on there I don't think he mentions it in this one it's on the website I think though
It's small, a bore.
Oh, here we go.
John Ratcliffe.
All three of them started production ready, which is 5013C, nonprofit.
Oh, it looks like Parker Lewis, too.
For some reason, it's not mentioned in this.
Oh, no, it is.
I just skipped over Parker Lewis.
I'm sorry, Parker Lewis.
You're like a middle child in this blog post.
But, yeah, they're starting a production ready 5013C nonprofit to create a fork of Bitcoin
core that is more conservative. And by conservative, they mean conserving. And by conserving,
they mean that they don't make changes that don't have nearly unanimous approval or consensus
in the community. That is like their definition of it, with an emphasis on Bitcoin being for money,
allowing for relay policy
configuration I think is another
way that they're defining conservative
I think of what else they said in here that was interesting
they don't yet have code I think they're in the money raising
stage like org building stage looking for developers
I suspect they might find quite a few
of them who are just interested in, you know, being a significant part of a Bitcoin implementation
and not having to like work their way into an existing hierarchy.
Yeah, that's kind of, I think that's a gist of it.
I don't think I, I don't think I missed a whole bunch.
Jimmy will be leading the education efforts around it.
I imagine Samson will be sort of like influence and money.
Parker Lewis might be doing the same
I don't know John
do you guys know John Ratcliffe?
I don't
sounds familiar to me
so probably an important person
that I would recognize the work
maybe but not the name
yeah
we had the top comment from
he said I think I'd write up
mission statement for Bitcoin Core
would sound very similar
I read somewhere else that you'd want to
basically provide long term support
for older core versions
If you have the resources to do that, why not do that on Core itself?
The reason we offer backports, the three versions,
is mostly that we don't have the resources to do more.
The further you go back, the more difficult.
Is he answering himself? I don't understand.
And then Optimism came in and said, why not do that on Core itself?
Optimism said, because on Core there are too many camps to please.
And we've all seen that kind of insanity that happens when you tell a single camp.
And then Jimmy Song actually came in, because Jimmy Song is a snacker.
and he said,
Optimus said,
thank you for explaining my question.
I didn't want to bother you with conserving
because Jimmy actually posted this.
And then Jimmy said,
we're talking to some right now,
but our goal is a large and dedicated group
as far as like how many devs
do you plan on having?
And yeah,
then everybody jumped in there.
A lot of people got outlawed here at the bottom.
Those are all bots actually.
Oh, okay.
They got properly down tapped.
Oh, okay.
And then, yeah.
And then I wanted to bring up another one because I think this is all like connected from like a just like from a news angle is Brink.
So Brink also released their engineering impact report where I think Schmitty laid out everything that he has going on.
Obviously, this is this is important because this is the other implementation of Bitcoin Core.
And then the other thing is John Attack also was on Nut Solven Homes Bitcoin podcast.
Canoe.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry, Knute.
I don't watch stuff.
Mostly just startup stuff.
That was awesome.
What did I say?
Nut?
Yeah.
The sound looks like nut.
I mean, the K could be silent.
That is an English thing.
Thank you from Brandon.
And then so John has been kind of like on a speaking tour.
This is a really good podcast to watch.
But what was interesting here is like Keon kind of laid out how he felt about the whole thing.
And then surprisingly, Schmitty, which he is a stacker as well, too.
came on here and said some things.
Kion, do you want to talk about this exchange?
I was mostly excited that John was going around and speaking more.
I think one of the side effects of people taking grant money
is they kind of pull away from the public
and communicating with the public regularly
because they don't have to, because they have this org in front
of them and they get money from the org.
With independent developers, they often
kind of don't have someone to speak for them,
so they'll usually create somewhat of an online presence in a brand.
But I've noticed that since the grants started really kicking off,
we've had a lot of developers pull back.
And maybe that's for other reasons, I don't know,
but there's a lot of correlation.
And that's in line with what I kind of said in that comment.
Welcome to the Bitcoin...
You know, Bitcoin's culture, I feel like, is in a weird place,
especially around the core implementation.
And it coincides with a lot of these non-profits coming online
and having a lot more money and giving out an unprecedented number of grants
and an unprecedented number of developers are funded by them.
And I think it's worth questioning whether it's more than correlation
and actually there might be some causal relationship between that.
And that's mostly what I said in my comment.
And then Schmitty, I said some other things that were sort of more inflammatory
about my sort of personal view of non-profits
and how their incentives tend to get pretty nasty
and warp into kind of weird things.
Status gains, politicization, corruption.
Generally, I consider them weapons of influence.
They're often explicitly weapons of influence.
You know, weapons of influence for good influence
is what their kind of, I don't know,
their conduct documents will state
or their mission documents will state,
but they often get to define what's good,
and that's often can be self-interested.
And Schmitty's like, well, a nonprofit can do all these things
to try to counteract those, and I don't disagree with that.
I actually think Schmitty is excellent.
I got to see him in the filter debate at the Bitcoin Commons.
He handled all kinds of, I don't know,
he took arrows basically for core in the op return.
and didn't, like, return them in any way.
He was mostly, like, he mostly explained matter-of-factly what happened
and then heard out every opposing point of view
and in many ways agreed with the point of view where he thought it was right.
It was just exactly what you'd hope of, you know,
someone who's leading one of these organizations to be very impartial
and explaining clearly what's going on.
Anyway, it's good.
I had a good back and forth.
I thought it was a great back and forth.
I thought that was a really interesting back and forth.
I think for me, just seeing Jimmy, who's a stacker,
and Schmitty, who's a stacker, on here,
talking to the people that run these nodes,
it's just a good thing.
Brandon, I'll ask you, what does this mean to you?
Because you're a totally different segment of the Bitcoin ecosystem.
How do you see this from your lens?
Yeah, I mean, I think more people just need to be out there and creating kind of like,
you know, Kion's saying here, I think just more people need to be more public facing.
I know that that is kind of, I guess, a security concern.
But I think it's, you know, you never know how like a piece of content or video
or something like that can really spark some idea, inspire somebody,
you know, all these different things.
So I think seeing more devs getting on podcasts I think is definitely better,
especially for, like, the long-term, I guess we'll say health.
The one crazy thing, though, is, I mean, like, you go to the beginning of this podcast,
like, I think in the first, like, two seconds we get a nip slip from this guy, man.
Like, I mean, what are we doing here?
I mean, come on, man.
Have you never hung out with developers?
Yeah, I mean.
Topless podcast.
We're getting a nip slip right away.
I mean, come on, dude.
This is a kid's show out here.
But, no, I mean, I think it's good.
And, I mean, to be honest, like, back on the Parker Lewis and what Jimmy Song's doing,
I mean, I don't know if I really, like, I'm not really, I guess, privy to comment on this.
I don't really know and kind of fully understand what's going on.
I haven't really been too in the weeds of like the BIP 110 arguments or anything like that.
It seems like this is just kind of a lot of, I don't know, the way I view a lot of this stuff is at the end of the day,
when Bitcoin's price is kind of stagnated or we're in a bear market,
Bitcoiners in general get a little bored and they want to argue about just like things that will settle itself out in the long run.
and I don't really know too much about the dev side of it.
So I feel like this is kind of one of those things, but I don't know.
I mean, maybe that's throwing stones at something, but I don't really, yeah.
It's hard for me to get behind something like this, if that makes sense.
I mean, since the early days of Bitcoin, people have been pushing for more than one implementation of Bitcoin
just because it is more diversity and is more resilient.
If we all had the same genetics and a disease came out that was particularly bad for those genes,
we would all die and there would be no one left.
And so the same idea with implementations,
but then there have been counter-arguments and realities to that
where it's very hard to keep consensus code consistent across several implementations.
But people are beginning to be motivated to have several implementations
and then they believe they can do that without the downsides of it
and then create the resiliency that we would kind of want from the diversity of that.
So that's the way I kind of, that's like the positive thing
is that we will have multiple implementations, multiple forms of governance perhaps,
different leadership teams, different priorities,
and they'll be kind of competing in the market, in the open source market,
the free and open source market for customers and Bitcoiners who want to use it.
So, yeah, it's kind of a nothing burger on the outside, hopefully.
That's kind of the way, you know, you hope that, you know,
developers will have all kinds of drama and all it does is,
if it succeeds, if that drama succeeds, Bitcoin just gets even more boring
and it gets even less eventful at the dev layer.
That's kind of what the hopeful outcome of this is.
Yeah.
Do you have anything else, Brandon, you want to say?
No, I mean, that's, yeah, I mean, that's a good explanation.
Because I'm not, like I said, I'm not in the weeds of the dev, I guess, the dev demographic.
And, like, I don't really, you know, I try to stay out of the dev area.
I mean, the most coding I do now is, like, Claude Code or something, you know?
Yeah.
Like, I mean, so, yeah, I mean, I'm more of, like, a free market guy when it comes to Bitcoin.
That's kind of what I've resonated around.
So kind of what you're saying, I just believe I've come to the conclusion that Bitcoin is going to win or maybe it already has one.
So at the end of the day, the best version of Bitcoin will just be around and kind of come forward.
And I don't think anybody can really get in the way too much of stopping it.
No, I like that.
I like to view Bitcoin more like an idea.
It's almost like oil is sort of like this category of thing.
And you could stop maybe Exxon or you could stop all these individual players in it.
But the reality is we're all going to want energy and oil is super portable and shelf stable and whatever.
That idea will persist.
And so I think it's a way to view Bitcoin.
This is just how the oil is distilled or whatever, how it's refined.
and that's maybe, you know, who cares?
No, I mean, I do think, like, I mean, you know,
I just think there's people that are more passionate about this area of Bitcoin than me.
And so, I mean, like, I'll let them kind of, you know, figure that out.
And I kind of have, I mean, I've been around enough devs that I kind of have, like,
I mean, I know part of Bitcoin's premise is, like, don't trust Verify,
but I trust the devs in this certain point in the free market
that it'll just, you know,
there's enough good people and smart people in Bitcoin
that it'll figure it out, I guess.
Well said.
Cool, for sure.
The next top story this week is
Lexi Public Beta 24-7 Online Lightning Wallets
with BIP 353 Python and Rust SDKs.
This is from Max Fang Axe, March 26,
15 comments, 9,659 stats.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, so I tried this out before the podcast a little bit.
It's pretty excellent.
I guess what they did is they, I think they have a fork of LDK node that they are running,
that they modified to run in a secure enclave, or at least the parts of it that need to be
relatively trustless They modified it to be in a secure enclave And so you can get a lightning wallet that is always online or a lightning node that is always online effectively where you communicating with it
through like your mobile app that can receive lightning payments
when your phone is off or you're gone.
And yeah, can participate in lightning transactions
in a way that a normal LDK node running on your phone cannot.
And it being on a secure enclave,
if you trust secure enclaves and the software in it
and some of the other things,
and a lot of that you can verify for yourself,
Lexi cannot spend your money without your permission,
and they cannot rug you or steal your funds from you.
You are still self-sovereign,
but they go through great pains to still run the infrastructure for you
while maintaining your self-sovereignty.
So you get, it's kind of cool.
And it's free like most mobile lightning nodes.
And then they have this, it seems like they're working with this LSP type business model
where they take a percentage of the transactions that are coming through.
I was able to mess with it and send myself a one sat payment,
which is a good, a nice test of that.
And as far as I know, that didn't initiate a channel open, although it might have.
And then in order to get money back out, I had to exceed like a thousand sat channel reserve.
And it was able to get money back out.
What's really cool about this is you can programmatically create these wallets.
They have an SDK out.
So this looks potentially competitive with things like Spark and ARK.
And so, yeah, I think that's pretty great.
And you have more of a native Lightning construct that is just,
they've abstracted basically as far as you can go into an enclave.
And you're not relying on ARK, which has a lot of novel Bitcoin things going on,
or Spark, which similarly has novel Bitcoin things going on
and has different trust trade-offs.
It's interesting, the sidecar thing, can you explain that a little bit?
How does that work?
Is that just like a separate, it looks like it's a web server?
Yeah, I would assume, I don't know what they mean by sidecar.
It sounds like it might be a generic term for.
What are they calling that?
It might be a generic term for a server that is started as a child process of another server.
And so you take down one server and the sidecar goes down.
It's kind of like a motorcycle.
You don't have a sidecar without the main motorcycle.
So that's literally what they mean.
The word sidecar because it's like a motorcycle sidecar.
Yeah, you're like piggybacking.
It's like a sidecar is like a computer process that piggybacks on a main process.
Yeah.
Is that how I guess they were using that term?
That's cool.
Yeah.
Cool.
So you can run your own, I guess, and you can run it as a sidecar in the cloud
if you want, like, see, if you're like a business and want to receive.
Yeah, and then Scoresby had this.
What is this?
Is he just going over some of the different options for it or breakdown, it looks like?
Yeah.
The trust that you're putting in Lexi, basically,
they can turn off your node because they're running in the secure enclave for you.
They can prevent you from making a Lightning payment by turning off your node
or some variety of turning off your node
or some of the infrastructure on its way to your node.
You can open channels.
Wait.
Yeah.
from L&D you can open any channels you want
Lexi you can't
it's just I believe just a channel with them like it is
with Phoenix
but neither of them can rug you
and that's perhaps the important point
I would like to know about spending
it's unclear I do think they can't
spend without you but I want to know
under what conditions they talk about
allowing for NWC eventually
which means that
you maybe don't have a signing
device that's online and
somehow without you being online and approving every transaction,
that node running that secure enclave is still able to do it.
So I don't know how that works.
This is just a very early public beta,
and so I think we'll have more details as time goes on.
And if you have any questions, one of the co-founders, Max,
is in the comments there.
Brandon, how often do you use, like,
would you ever implement this into your Green Candle app
or something like that, this kind of wallet?
Green Candle app, I don't know about that.
Because you use GitHub now and you're coding.
Yeah, I mean, I built a couple websites just recently.
That's about as far as I got.
That's how it starts.
Yeah.
I mean, my question for this is, okay, like, so is it,
how is this different than a Phoenix wallet, for example, on like an app?
Or is it similar?
Can you kind of go through some of that as much as you know, I guess, Keon?
Yeah, the main difference.
So if you have Phoenix on your mobile phone
and you have turned off Google Play services
and yesterday you gave me your lightning address
or a Bolt 12 or something or an invoice for me to pay,
I will not be able to pay that
until you open that app on your phone.
Because the way Phoenix works,
it requires some part of your app to be awake to sign messages.
you have a key to your node on your phone
and it needs to be awake to sign
because it's not always online running in the background
and you might be disconnected from the internet or whatever.
But in the case of Lexi,
all that stuff is happening in their cloud
in the secure enclave thing,
which basically means that they don't have access to it.
They can't read your key.
It's kind of like we've taken what is running
in Phoenix on your phone
and put it into like a vault in Lexi's cloud
that you only have the code to to get inside.
But they have like a little bit of access,
you know, certain things that they can have,
the thing in the vault do,
without you having to approve it and stuff.
That's kind of, does that make sense?
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
And then I guess one follow-up real quick is,
so I mean, now that they're obviously,
they have the beta coming in,
But, you know, I think last year, maybe like the year before, we saw like a lot of the like wallet of Satoshi.
And I think even Phoenix like kind of left the iOS and Google Play stores in the U.S. because of like the KYC.
Is there a way that this Lexi wallet can get around that, I guess, because it's kind of running on its own cloud?
Do you know any like the details there?
Yeah, while they released them as iOS and Android apps, I assume that they could run this in a PWA, which doesn't have these restrictions yet.
Like, we don't yet have websites requiring KYC in the same way that we have iOS and Android app stores.
But I think most people would prefer an iOS or Android app, and the user experience is better.
That's why it did it that way.
but I would guess if
it came down to it, this would
be much easier to run
in a web browser
relative to Phoenix.
I think I would
guess that Wallet of Satoshi though, they use Spark
as their back end now, at least in the United
States.
That would probably do fine in a PWA
too, if push comes to shove.
I would be curious to understand
this is not like a non-profit
project, right?
No, I believe they're venture-backed.
They've been around for a few years.
I remember when we started discussing our wallet switch,
some people, I think they had some kind of relationship with them,
reached out to us and were like, hey, would you use this?
And they were like, would you pay X amount per user?
And I was like, no.
I mean, maybe the customer will pay for it,
but it doesn't make sense for me to pay for it.
And it seems, I don't know if that factored into the reasoning,
but they instead seem to prefer this LSP-based model,
which is like the Breeze business model.
It appears to be the Spark business model.
Basically, I just want to get...
I was curious what the model was.
The mode is the LSP.
It looks really great.
The only thing, it just reminds me a lot of like Cash App.
It looks basically like Cash App.
Oh, no, it's a great...
It's very well designed and the error messages are pretty clear.
It looks like it's just like a straight...
Straight dope, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just interesting how it looks exactly like Cash App.
As far as like...
And for a beta...
Yeah, I'm saying it.
I'm complimenting them.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, no, I hear the compliment.
Yeah.
I mean, having used it, I was impressed by it.
I'll check it out.
Very smooth.
Yeah, I'm really shocked to see something like this.
Human Bitcoin addresses.
That's interesting.
Oh, yeah, that's the BIP353 thing where it's like it's DNS.
And you have your...
Yeah, and you can do a Bolt 12 or a Bitcoin address.
Yeah.
or I think it's not a page line.
It's, what is it, silent addresses?
Yeah, it's good to see.
Cool.
That's good.
Some good lightning talk.
We got some more lightning stuff coming later.
The number one top story this week was
two block reorg at height 941-880.
This is from 0xB10C.
21 comments, 12,400 K cents.
Key on.
Yeah, this one.
So this one's tricky.
There's been a lot.
I mean, so this only happens about once every 150,000 blocks or so
that we have a reorg that's deeper than one block.
Pleb dev.
Damn, plebs don't listen anymore.
I'm just kidding.
Hey, Brent, can you grab me a beer?
Yeah, I got you.
I can't leave here.
Sorry, Brent.
Sorry, Kia.
Go for it.
Oh, no, I don't mind.
And yeah, this happens once every about 150,000 blocks or so.
We have two chain tips competing that are at a depth of, that causes a two block reorg.
In this case, most of Bitcoin's network was mining on top of, I believe, an amp pool block
that was followed shortly by a via BTC block.
but then a little bit later the network re-orged out those two blocks
to be replaced by three blocks from Foundry
and it was a bit strange because most people reported
that their node did not see the third block from Foundry
or they did not see the first two blocks from Foundry
until the third block was found.
So is this manipulation?
I mean, what's going on here?
So that is what people were saying,
is because they did not see the earlier two foundry blocks,
that what foundry was doing was they were withholding these blocks.
They had mined a block and then another block
and were not communicating it to the network
so that they might gain an advantage.
It's called selfish mining,
where you hoard your blocks knowing that you have quite a bit of hash power
and you might be able to reorg the chain in your favor and collect more Bitcoin fees
because you eventually release a chain tip that has more work in it than anyone else in the network.
And because you didn't share that work with other people, they are naturally behind.
So some people thought that's what was going on.
But then people looked into it a little more deeply.
This is the most exciting thing to happen in a while.
And it looks like that's actually not what happened.
We all suspect that this is a reality that will eventually happen
because the incentives are such that if you are running a large pool,
selfish mining is financially advantageous.
I think it's because the halving's coming.
They're testing some stuff.
No.
Maybe the block sizes get a little bit smaller.
No, again, I've been mostly been, so far I've been describing the, like the wrong, what we think is the wrong scenario now, or what the conclusion that a lot of people jump to.
The reality is, is that what it looks like happened is Foundry found these blocks shortly after the Antpool block and shortly after the VIA BTC block.
So they propagated much more slowly, I guess is what Merch says in a comment in the thread.
so after foundry found those blocks even though they were you know broadcasting them they uh nodes
on the network had already accepted the um older chain tip that had the exact same amount of work
and did not propagate this like alternative tip wow um and so like the network just didn't see it
as well and that allowed for foundry to have like a have like a selfish mining moment a little bit
Just so people know, Foundry is the big, is it still the biggest?
I believe so.
That's why people were probably freaking out at a mansion.
Yeah, they also, I mean, they did a pretty,
they did have a lot of luck in this period of time too.
I think they found seven blocks within 22 minutes around this period of time.
So it looks like B10C said,
I found it interesting that Burr's stratum work did not see any stratum jobs
from Foundry mining on their winning blocks.
maybe they were only mining on
them in one region and stratum work
is connected to a different one
or they kept quiet
about them
or it's a bug on stratum work
yeah so these are ordered by
recent and so these were some of the early
he was listing out a few hypotheses
there but later
we got a lot more data
so there's a lot of that site that you were looking
at is 0x
10bc I think
that's how you say it
he runs this organization where they run these observing nodes of the entire network.
And so before he had reports come in and before he talked to miners who mine on Foundry's pool,
these were the hypotheses a lot of people had.
But after talking to them, they came to the conclusion that it's like,
this is like normal network behavior given the circumstances.
The circumstances were just kind of unique.
Yeah.
This is really interesting.
It's always cool.
I feel like every time around this time of the season,
we always get some weird mining thing.
Have you noticed that?
I do, because I feel like I just see these type of weird mining stuff,
like news items always come up in the spring.
I wonder why that is.
I don't know.
I mean, you have the track record on Sacker News to go look and see,
but it's just interesting.
We could do an astrology for Bitcoin news, but I don't.
No, I'm not saying this.
I know.
I'm not saying this.
It just feels very seasonal.
Mercury is rising.
It just feels very seasonal right now.
It feels very seasonal right before a lot of people start congregating together.
Cool.
Well, that was a lot.
Brandon, do you have any thoughts on this?
Is this something that you're going to be worried about as a Bitcoin holder?
To be honest, no.
I have no idea what's going on here.
I missed, like, half of it because I was grabbing a little brewski, too.
So, like, I mean, this is not my wheelhouse yet again.
So, I mean, but it is, you know, hey, I mean.
So what do you think about when you hear all this?
It just sounds like.
TikTok next block.
That's what I'm thinking about it.
Woo.
Man, I missed.
I used to be very much, like, out of the loop.
But now you kind of just, the more you start watching the news, you start seeing it,
it's just like you just get sucked in.
So this guy right here, 0x10c.
He's a very, somebody that always does this.
He'll look into cool stuff like this on the mining side.
So he's just a legend.
Bitcoin.
Yeah, they do.
Look at how many stats he's stacked, man.
Yeah, and they're.
He's very important to the ecosystem.
If anybody deserves some money, this guy does.
Give this guy a grant.
Well, I think they've given him a grant, and I think they funded a few helpers for him, too.
Nice.
I mean, he's keeping the network honest.
Yeah.
I think for a long time he was the only one running this kind of peer-to-peer observing network.
Cool to see.
The next one, so that's all the top stories this week.
We're going to jump into Wumble's Picks.
Wumble's Picks.
Wumble.
This is your pick, buddy.
Wumble's Picks.
Ocean's Jason Hughes shares weird details about the two-block reorg.
He replaced this one with another one.
This is Wumble's first.
Oh, this is the one that.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
This is an orphan post.
Okay, let's read this question.
A stale post.
I'm sorry.
Because we basically just covered that post in the last top story,
but that was some of the early speculation from VP of engineering or CTO at Ocean Mining.
Let me read the question because let's just get it quick.
Wumble's question was, is Ocean blowing things out of proportion
or is this an indication Foundry is reaching a dangerous percentage of hash rate?
It turned out that none of that, right?
Well, yeah.
I wouldn't know if they're blowing out of proportion,
but they came to the wrong conclusion like many people did
that the data they were seeing suggested that Foundry was selfish mining.
but it is a nice reminder that
even though Foundry was not
being selfish
they have so much hash power
that their behavior begins to look like they are
and still good enough reason to
remind everyone that
mining centralization is dangerous
I think Brandon's right, there's just a lot of fighting
now that there's in the bear market
that's what happens man, we get bored
we're not like all checking the price and we're on all like, you know,
as much as everybody wants to say that that price doesn't matter.
I feel like intuitively.
Morale's low in Bitcoin right now.
Yeah, and then when price is going up, everybody's just like, yeah,
they want to dunk on everybody.
They want to be right.
The memes on Twitter are going crazy.
So everybody is like more involved with that opposed to these like little
nitty gritty details.
But yeah, the bear market, obviously it's for building,
but it also seems like it is kind of like for fighting as well, you know.
We got a little cannibalistic mindset we got in here
where they want to go at everybody.
Yeah.
It takes – these are like cathedrals, man.
It's going to take a while to get Bitcoin to where it needs to be.
So it just takes time.
You got to be patient, people.
Cool.
That's all the top stories this week.
And then that's also Wumble's pick as well too.
No, that was his old pick.
He replaced it with another pick.
I don't know if you...
No, we'll just do it next week.
We got a lot to go to.
Yeah, sorry.
Sorry, Wombo.
Yeah, all right, Wombo.
I think you should still clip it, though.
Clip it.
The next top story this week in AI was Tesla and SpaceX announced 25 billion TeraFab chip factory.
This is from Kube.
Did you read this?
Or you just posted it?
I read the post, but I felt like I didn't get a good grip on it because I was not super ecstatic about it.
Like I saw other people.
The headline is TerraFab, a joint 25 billion chip fabrication facility in Austin, Texas,
that Elon Musk claims will produce one terawatt of computer power annually.
It would be the largest semiconductor fab ever built by an absurd margin.
Yeah, that's what it's about.
Yeah, he's building this big fab.
But then it was like combined with some other, like what he's going to, he needs, like he's going to stat, like how he's going to get to that scale is he's going to, part of it is he's going to deploy Optimus robots in it.
And then those chips are going to be deployed into like space, you know, by SpaceX.
And so he's going to be doing like GPU.
Mining.
Not GPU mining, but like effectively.
Yeah.
He has to be harnessing the sun's.
Yeah.
He's like, I'm Kardashev, you know.
I Elon Kardashev Musk too or whatever And like I don know But like I mean it cool I mean no one else is charting these It paperware until it not Yeah He like he way too early
And he makes these aggressive predictions about things.
But I believe he's eventually right on most of, like, his direction
and even his ability to deliver it.
He, like, doesn't stop.
So, I think we'll eventually have this.
You give anybody as much money as you give Elon,
anybody can get something across the goal line.
Oh, I don't think so.
I don't think I can have this much money and get this done.
I don't know.
I mean, well, one, like just chip production needs to come back towards the U.S.
Obviously, we've been like heavily relying on Taiwan, semiconductors and everything.
We saw that that big issue that happened, like obviously during COVID.
So, I mean, I think just being able to build this out and build a giant chip factory,
kind of like in the center of the United States too,
not just in, you know, like California or whatnot.
I mean, Texas is relatively center comparatively,
so I think it's a good area to do it in the U.S.
and kind of bringing that manufacturing more stateside would be beneficial.
If there's anybody that's crazy enough to do it and with enough money,
I mean, Elon seems like the guy.
So, I mean, I guess, like, for me, it's always, like, kind of like a wait and see
because, I mean, weren't they talking about potential?
Like, I feel like a couple years ago,
we heard that, like, Block was going to use, like,
Tesla's solar panels to, like, mine Bitcoin or something like that,
like a few years ago.
And I'm pretty sure, like, that was, like, announced maybe
at one of the Miami Bitcoin conferences, and nothing came of it,
or at least nothing that I've seen.
And I feel like, you know, stuff like this,
when it's like to this level of a scale for me it's always like all right like i hope so but
wait and see um so not get like extremely bullish try to like temper the expectations because i think
elon talks a talks a big game i mean he backs it up but um i think these things are going to take a
little bit longer and the quality of the chips and all that like i think they're probably gonna
it's going to take some time for them to master all of that.
Absolutely.
The other thing I wanted to say was,
oh, one difference between the block deal and this deal is
I don't think anyone's going to be competing with Elon on this
until it succeeds.
In contrast.
We saw the other one, Kian.
So there's another story we covered like a month ago
about the space orbital AI satellites.
It's doing the exact same thing.
Yeah, but I think as a matter of scale,
like I don't think anyone is going to be trying to vertically integrate.
No, it was directly connected with Bezos.
Remember?
It was the exact same.
They were producing their own chips, and they were going to send them into space?
I believe so, yeah.
Okay.
At a terawatt scale?
That's what I'm saying.
A lot of this stuff feels like, oh, me too.
It feels like, oh, you're doing that?
Oh, so am I.
It just, and that's what I'm saying.
I didn't make that connection, so.
Yeah, well, I just remember from the news.
I didn't even know about Brandon's thing.
I didn't know about that one.
That's interesting.
What?
About the Bitcoin conference one in Miami.
Yeah, I didn't even hear about that.
I'll have to see.
I'm going to look it up.
Yeah.
But that's what I'm trying to say.
A lot of this stuff is just like Brandon says,
just like wait and see.
It is a thing until it isn't a thing.
And most likely it's not a thing.
Like the one with OpenAI,
he was calling out your boy, Samma, on Twitter
about his thing not going through in West Texas,
I believe it was, or somewhere.
Some collab they had with like NVIDIA or Oracle, one of those.
Another point to make on this is that
we actually have quite a few fabs already in Texas.
I think Samsung has some pretty large, some of the largest fabs in the United States that are like, I think, North Austin.
Yeah, they've been here for 20 years.
I think they also, I think they got recent, like within the last few years, they added another factory or some big addition to it,
an addition to another one in, I think, Arizona.
That was like another campaign thing during the political campaign.
I mean, I'm bullish. It's good for Austin.
I mean, anything that happens for us is good, but I still think it's like a little bit premature.
Car, I sent you the article on Slack if you want to look at that.
It was from 2022.
And it was actually Blockstream was involved as well.
It was Tesla, Block, and Blockstream team up to mine Bitcoin off solar panels in Texas.
2022.
and then yeah see they announced it at that bitcoin miami conference oh that was the one
that you just said right now yeah yeah you just you just can't believe anything until it actually
breaks down that was like right when the bear market yeah i mean you know and a lot of this
stuff like they're trying to announce it so they get the so they can start building up momentum
to start bringing in the money right like you announce it and then you bring in the money you
don't like bring in the money first and then announce it um specifically for for this yeah
That was like four years ago, and I haven't heard anything since then.
Block has pretty much gotten out of the mine.
They're not interested in mining.
I thought they were doing the mining thing, though.
No.
Well, they're building these rigs now.
Oh, are they gone already?
No, they're still building them.
Oh, okay.
But they were just producing.
I was bullish on that.
I don't think they were producing.
My recollection of that is I don't even think they were producing the chips on that.
Were they?
I thought they were just building the, like.
The harness.
Yeah, like everything else in the chips were sort of outsourced
so that they didn't have to play that game.
Oh, that's a bummer.
And I expect they don't want to play the game of being a minor either
and, like, sourcing power and stuff.
It's just really hard.
And this is not a diss on any of them
because these are fucking hard things to do.
Sorry for the cursing.
But I will say, though, that, like,
really hard things to do,
and you have a bad quarter, man,
and it doesn't come to fruition.
You've got to cut something.
These are bold ideas, though.
I love them.
Anyways, you got any other thoughts, Keon?
I feel like you got some more.
No, I'm good.
But I think we covered it.
I'm curious about, I should watch that Elon Musk opium,
like to the stars type of video that I've seen on social media.
It sounds like sci-fi.
Like he's basically selling nerd sci-fi dreams,
which is kind of a big deal to me.
I mean, I like the stuff that he does.
I like his Tesla stuff.
I was like way on the other side of Tesla for a long time.
Now I'm like back in.
He'll get you with us too if he's.
I know, that's what I'm saying.
like it that's my sense at least the other one i wanted to bring up this is like the the one that
the podcast is named after it's called the ozempicization of everything took my time on that
one um so this one's from kayla scanlon this was a really interesting article one of the things that
she's really touching on and like the way it starts it sounds like she's like almost like
really saying that like i am destroying my this i'm destroying my this i'm and like she goes into
this kind of like really like what starts off really dark and then she talks about how americans
loved optimization and she just goes through like ripping almost every ecosystem it's it's amazing
to read a lot of it i don't really agree with obviously because i work in like the startup
scene and like we're doing like bitcoin stuff which she also nails as well too but i think this
is just for coming from gen z and she says right here she says 80 of gen z and 75 of millennials
feel behind according to a survey uh she said this is mostly due to a response to financial
nihilism where people stop believing that the underlying economy is working for them
so they turn to gambling or some other seemingly quick fix instead of try to find stability
and she keeps harping on this whole message that um that industries and even people are starting to
monetize this nihilism through like through promising solutions then she starts going into
other people and my my whole point of bringing this up was not to like put blame on her or for
anything my whole point is just like to say that like this is really interesting and really uh kind
of like uh a counter to what a lot of stuff that we are doing in our own ecosystem and it kind of
tells me that then she's probably one of the biggest people that writes about this stuff from
like the gen z angle it's really fascinating that they feel this way and i just wanted to bring it
up and like she even yeah obviously egghead right like she even goes after him too as well
do you want to be liked or do you want to win and and she so she starts ripping into
people that are raising millions and millions of dollars a lot of it she's calling it scammy
she even goes after the word agency and she she's trying to figure out like how does
what actually oh look like i lost my screen here where is it that it's not moving that's never
happened anyway is this your vibe coded uh no this is like you can't alternative because somebody
wanted me to stop talking about it stop talking about it but uh yeah i just thought that was
really interesting oh there it goes it came back that's weird um yeah so she goes into that and
then she finally goes into what old capitalism was which was value productive capacity the ability
to make things as we all know that we're trying to get back to what trump is trying to get back to
And then she talks about financial capitalism,
valued cash flow rights, claims on future earnings.
And then she says like what we might call belief capitalism
is like basically narrative based.
And then this is where she accuses like the Bitcoin industry,
the crypto industry of it's actually not actual capital
that's being formed around.
It's all based around narrative.
And it's, dude, it stings.
But I feel like it's very important to read
what the other side disagrees with you on.
so she goes into a lot of it's like this one right here she goes financial nihilism is generational
more young americans say they feel behind financially and believe speculative investments
will help them reach their financial goals more effectively than traditional methods so before you
would be like oh i'm just going to go to college and then go to school and get a job like our
generation keon like where it's just like oh you'll probably work at google or you'll probably
just get like a really good job and then you'll be set for life right gen z doesn't feel that way
They feel like unless they get like the, the, unless they hit it big, um, they're not going
to be able to do anything as far as like get a house.
Obviously if I think for like millennials, it probably took them a little longer to get
a house than, than most.
But, um, yeah, she's just, she's just talking to her generation here.
Um, so does she, does she like identify the causes or is she mostly like surveying?
She's surveying the land and giving her like Gen Z perspective on it.
She even calls out like Polymarket is doing similar things.
It's interesting because it almost seems like she's getting a lot of things right with the beliefs that we believe in.
But it feels like to me, from my point of view, that as a Gen Z-er, this is my point of view, not hers, that it feels...
She's Gen Z.
Okay.
Yeah, it feels like she's helpless.
and there's no one that can possibly save her
unless she submits to this kind of like
ozempification of like the economy
and just go after really fast, easy things
that require a ton of like,
basically just like gambling.
And yeah, she even goes into the war stuff.
It's a great read.
Highly recommend reading it and subscribing.
It's worth getting the outside perspective.
This was actually shared on Stacker News,
which I was kind of shocked because I didn't know a lot of people knew about her,
but apparently they do.
Anyways, Brandon, I'm going to go to you first
because I feel like you know all this angle more than I do,
and I didn't plan on this that you were going to be on the show,
and we were going to talk about this,
but I would like to get your angle on this because you're not Gen Z.
You're more like right above it a little bit, right?
Yeah, I think I'm on the last year of millennial or something,
But, I mean, I think it's the way I view all of this is, I mean, what is what the products that are like kind of making waves right now are like peptides and, you know, obviously like gambling, all of these different odds makers.
These things have been around for a while.
And, you know, peptides and Ozempic, like they're all kind of one in the same.
What's the Ozempic thing again?
Is that the weight loss thing?
Yeah, weight loss.
Oh, yeah.
But instead of like a magic pill, it's like a shot, basically.
So instead of like working out and like, yeah.
Yeah, and I mean, these things have been around like for a while, like the 70s, 80s.
They tried to sell you magic pills so you could lose weight instead of having to actually put in the work.
And those were just like antiphetamines, weren't they?
Yeah, and I think at the end of the day, it's all just kind of like a marketer's dream, like all of these things.
It's like the difference is that these things like work for as intended,
but the side effects are just unknown.
And so people are usually like, hey, you know,
if I can take Ozempic and maybe it takes 10 years off my life,
I'd rather look skinny now or something like that, you know?
And so I think, you know, we're just as humans,
we're just kind of like programmed to want these dopamine hits.
but I think what people feel about like Gen Z and you know everything about the losing attention
spans wanting the the quick you know hitters and everything like that I think it's just they're
showing these messages more they have more access to gambling I mean people have been more you know
you get fed ads about Cal Sheet, DraftKings, all that kind of stuff as at like a young age so
they're just more prone to do that but i i think that narrative is almost overplayed in my eyes
um because i think like a lot of people say gen z you know their attention spans are short because
of tiktok and instagram and all these things um and like long form content is dead uh i kind of
think the opposite i think that there's just more competition for our attention so you know the
reality is is like the short form content it's easier to make a good one minute video than it is
to make a good hour long video yeah so she calls that looks maxing what you're talking about yeah
it's yeah well i mean it was like this guy is the paragraph above is like this guy clavicular like i
mean i see him all over but basically it's this one guy that like because of social media he
started taking all of these different peptides at like 18 19 and like kind of trying to maximize
his looks. I think the craziest thing
he did was hit himself with a
hammer.
Didn't he get his jaw shaved? I think there was
another interview, it might have been a joke, where he was talking
about taking methamphetamines
to suppress his appetite.
Yeah, doing crazy.
He's been talking about just doing crazy stuff.
Is it this guy right here? No.
This is Brian Johnson.
I think he sold one major tech
company. Braintree, which is like a
payments company around the Stripe era.
Oh, he sold that to Ibiza?
Wow.
Yeah, so now his whole thing is basically trying to...
Live forever.
...anti-age, essentially.
But, I mean, the thing with, like, all of this stuff is...
Well, she calls that the exemplification of...
What was the title again?
The economy, though.
That's what she's kind of calling it.
Yeah, like, he's just trying to live longer,
and, like, by doing that, he's, like, just taking a bunch of stuff,
And I think, like, the reality is, is, like, instead of, you know, doing all the red light therapy, all of, you know, it's just, like, eat natural foods and just exercise and be outside more.
I mean, it's just kind of, like, the simple stuff.
I'll just say from my point of view, just as, like, this is a millennial, by the way.
Yeah.
But I will just say this.
Like, it's cool to see Gen Z.
Like, they're either all the way on this side, which it sounds like she is, or all the way on the other side.
There's no fucking middle with Gen Z, which I love.
Because I feel like millennials, like our generation,
there's a lot of people in the fucking middle.
They just won't pick a side because they're afraid to, like,
lose their career or something.
And that's the biggest problem that we have with the millennial generation.
It's just too many people want to, what you called earlier,
courting aristocrats or something.
Yeah, caring what people think.
Yeah, caring what people think as opposed to just, like, picking a side.
But Gen Z doesn't seem to have that problem.
Yeah, I think, like, Gen Z cares a little.
Like, it's different, though, because, like, Gen Z will go make a stupid video
and post it on the internet.
But they'll want to make sure that they look good in it, I guess,
and, like, kind of have that control behind it.
Where, like, the millennial generation is, like,
too afraid to even post anything
and, like, kind of put themselves out there
to the point where, you know, that's, like, they just won't.
They'll just, like, sacrifice that because they're afraid.
I would say, Kayla, if you're watching,
you're a future Bitcoiner.
You don't even know it.
That's what I'll say.
Yeah.
I think she's seen a lot of the stuff she's saying
is on point with Bitcoin only,
but she's lumping us into the crypto space, which is entirely different.
It doesn't mean that some of that doesn't spill over into the Bitcoin space,
but when you talk about like Bitcoin only things, like that's a human endeavor
and that's something that should be congratulated if you're watching.
Well, and I think the second thing that she talked about too, and she cited Coinbase.
Yeah, that's a wrong company side.
Yeah, I mean, but the interesting thing about what Coinbase is doing is like,
I don't know if you guys noticed this or saw this,
but Coinbase, like, their last earnings call,
they did it as, like, Brian Armstrong was, like, talking on the bottom,
and then the top is, like, I don't know, it was, like, a TikTok video.
It was, like, whatever that, there was, like, one old phone game
where essentially, like, you were running, and it was, like, trains and stuff.
You had to go get, I don't know, you had to, like, avoid it.
Basically, like, maybe, I don't know, Dune Runner or something like that.
Either way, they, basically, it's, like, a cop,
it's a pretty popular TikTok style to do one talking head on like half of it and then have
somebody else distracted by watching this game on the top and they did that for their earnings call
but Coinbase like lost they had like their biggest loss in an earnings call in a while and they put
that out as like a video behind it and it's like what are we what are we doing here really right
it's like kind of like still simulating the whole distraction so I mean I totally get where she's
coming from when she's citing coinbase and if you're lumping in you don't know the difference
between bitcoin and crypto and you're lumping them in that way i mean it it makes sense to me
because when i should come on the keys podcast she needs to come on green candle then she's got
to come on stacker news live this is covering it she might you never know yeah but anyway it's a
really good article i highly recommend steggers read it it's a really it's a really it's well
written too it's like you can you can feel the the passion the soul the heart all in it and i
believe what she's writing is what she's saying is true it's good it's good stuff anyways that's it
keanu have any final thoughts before we move on uh do i have any thoughts on that i like what
brandon said about uh like gen z not being like structurally different than millennials or other
generations it's just like the technology has sort of been weaponized towards them and they're
and there's like more competition and um among weapons trying to get people's attention attention
weapons trying to get people's attention i thought that was cool um i definitely think that is
probably true i do think there is a you know as part there are the side effects of that where
uh culture has become at least online culture has become a lot more visual
um and i think that that is what causes looks maxing which is like related to uh the ozempic
stuff which is like well i don't exist if i'm not the right body size like is why i don't present
the right way online and people can't see my personality really true look at me i made a
whole career off of it yeah but i know but you know but i think it you know some people maybe
they don't have a they don't have much of a personality or they can't they don't they don't
know how to present their personality people are car yeah yeah i don't want i don't want to
compliment you and try to avoid that as much as possible but i know what you're saying i was just
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, but I think that...
Are you looks maxing right now, Keon?
Nah, dude.
I'm looks minning, bro.
Are you looks maxing right now, Brandon?
I don't know, man.
I don't know what that means.
I don't know.
We just looked it up.
It turns out it's a thing.
Is it because of the hat?
You think so?
Oh, he is kind of looks maxing a little bit.
I don't know.
That jaw looks like you might have shaved a bit.
Oh, now he's looks maxing.
I'm going to start using that term around Janet.
It's going to drive her nuts.
I can't wait.
Yeah, yeah.
You're gonna use it wrong.
And he's wrong.
I be like look I looks She gonna love it Okay cool The next one coop is mogging somebody said all right the next one is uh yeah so we covered the ai stuff we
gonna jump into my stuff i think the coolest thing here is the dusty so dusty just got his uh
his channel splicing merge is was that his is that dusty's or no i think no dusty i think dusty
contributed significantly to the spec i think you had the first working implementation of it done
in seal and core lightning okay um with the help of nifty and rusty russell and i assume
t-bass as well can you give us the high level to the stackers what is splicing yeah i know that's
important to phoenix and other yeah so before splicing if you had a if you had a channel a
lightning channel capacity of like a million sats and you wanted to receive you know two million sats
you had to close that channel and and open a larger channel or you had to or you could keep
that channel open and open a second channel and then do a payment split across both channels.
What channel splicing allows you to do is take on-chain funds and resize an existing channel.
And so that's what you get. That's the user experience that you get in Phoenix is
where you just have one channel and that's all you really have to concern yourself with.
That is a result of channel splicing. And that is what we're seeing now pop up across most wallet
implementations. I think Lexi has the same thing. They only have one channel because LDK is splicing
in it now. And so these get merged, I believe, when two implementations have implemented the spec,
or maybe it's three. Oh, no, yeah, it's three implementations have implemented a spec. So at
first we had Async and Phoenix, they implemented channel splicing. Then we had, oh no, Core Lightning,
then Phoenix. And now we have Lexi, which is using LDK. So we have three Lightning implementations
using channel splicing, it gets merged into the Bolt repo.
That's awesome.
And so that's how it became real.
Dude, did I know that 2,000 stars?
That's wild, dude.
They have 2,000 stars on their Git.
Yeah.
I can't lie.
I'm not locked in.
Well, that's the spec repo for Lightning stuff.
That's really not a whole lot of stars.
I mean, what does OpenClaw have now?
1.5 million or something?
I don't know.
To me, I mean, I see a lot of other repos now that I'm a coder.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, big-time coder.
I'm just coding, bro.
I'm going to move to CMUX here this weekend.
Don't hate the player at the game.
But 2,000, that's a lot.
No, it's not nothing.
So it was funny because we had on Chain Code last week,
two weeks ago at the rodeo,
and they were talking about the AI slop that people are submitting to the PR stuff.
And then Dusty, he did this amazing PR review.
I won't let you play it.
Oh, man, it sucks.
Anyway, it's right here at the bottom.
Let's play it there.
I'm Dusty, and this is Dusty Coates.
So he goes into it, and he's reviewing a PR about Zero Conf Spices,
and, man, it's just hilarious.
Because, you know, Dusty's a good guy,
but he's just tearing into this dude that's probably using Vibe Coded stuff a little bit.
But I think it's a good watch, and I saw that he dropped another one today.
I'm probably going to watch that, too.
It's just fun to see, because Dusty's such a funny dude,
and then seeing him review code is just hilarious.
I think you learn something at the same time.
It's like, it hits all the right places for people that are interested in this kind of stuff.
Dusty's a legend.
Yeah, he's a legend.
Anyways, did you watch it, Keon?
I posted it in the slime thing.
I saw it, but I did not watch it.
I didn't know what it was about.
He's got an hour review of this, man.
He went in.
I think it went viral, right?
because a lot of people were sharing it and liking it.
I believe so.
Does he actually get into the code?
He does, yeah.
But the way he does it is just hilarious.
Sounds like he's setting us up here.
Yeah, exactly.
I definitely think what Keyes was saying earlier,
I think Keyes is right.
I think there needs to be more devs doing what Dusty's doing right now
and building up their social thing.
Putting himself out there.
Yeah, because people want to see your personality, right?
They want to know that, you know what I mean?
Hey, man, now I trust Dusty to look over my vibe-coated coat.
Oh, there you go.
Look at that.
Right there.
That's how you do it.
We need more looks, Maxine.
Is that how you use it?
I don't think so.
Anyways.
No, it's like when you're fine, Carr, when you go way out of your way to look good.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, but way out of your way.
Oh, man.
Yeah, you're like smoking meth.
That only happens for the ladies, not you guys.
I'm sorry.
Well, that's what it's aimed at.
Oh, can you grab another one?
Oh, go for it then.
Clavicular, that guy, he was...
It was a 12-pack, wasn't it?
Yeah.
No, it was a six-pack.
Pleb devs, man.
No moss.
It's all good.
Cool.
Wait, did you have something else to say?
I'm sorry.
We were trying to figure out the beer situation.
Oh, no, it was just about...
it was about Lux Maxine.
The reason why Clavicular became such an influencer
is he was like an incel.
If you look at his before and after photos,
he was like a zitty teen,
bad skin, and kind of weird.
So they used to make fun of him or something?
No, they wouldn't make fun of him.
He just couldn't get laid
because he didn't present the right way
that would allow him to get laid by the caliber of woman probably that he wanted to
and still maybe have his personality, which is maybe not great.
Oh, poor guy.
Yeah, so he looks maxed, and now he's just an influencer king.
We know who he is, and he's got all these look-maxing ladies in his pen.
I saw he was doing some crazy stream, like, I don't know,
three a month or something like that where he was streaming every day.
I think he recently got arrested.
So I might be breaking news on Stacker News Live here.
But I was perusing on my Twitter account today,
and I saw a TMZ photo of his mug shot.
Well, hopefully he's okay.
I mean, you'd like to see that.
I guess that's a good segue to caffeine, cocaine, and painkillers
detected in sharks from the Bahamas.
So I found this little dime.
This is a Florida story.
I found this dime.
This is a first report of CCs detected in shark serum from the Bahamas.
It has all the ones I just mentioned.
In three shark species, sharks with CCs showed altered, how do you say that word?
Triglycerides, urea, and lactate levels.
Urea.
I'm sorry.
Findings highlight emerging pollution risk in seemingly pristine ecosystems.
Keon, can you explain how this would work?
I thought they just ate humans and then they just got humans were snuggling drugs or something.
No, I didn't read this.
So I don't really know how it works, but it sounds like probably just pollution.
Like drugs are not breaking down before they reach the oceans, more or less.
You know, like we have a lot of plastic in oceans, mercury in oceans.
But cocaine, though?
Like that doesn't make any sense.
I feel like that would melt in the ocean.
I feel like they're probably just smuggling, like people are smuggling it.
With the sharks?
Well, no, I mean they're probably smuggling it, like on boats or on a plane,
and the plane crashes and then they have it like wrapped significantly.
Ted, are you on the call right now?
Come here.
Take a look at this.
Ted will explain it.
Okay, Ted.
So there's these sharks, right?
And they detected that they have cocaine, all these other amphetamines, and caffeine.
How is this possible?
Tell us, Ted.
How did the sharks, the sharks are eating drug addicts?
Is that what's happening?
That's what I thought.
What else would they, unless there's massive amounts of cocaine on the bottom of the sea?
There's probably a lot of cocaine on the bottom of the sea, though.
If you think about these boats smuggling, and then maybe they get pulled over or something,
they just throw the cocaine off the boat?
That's what I would think.
Yeah.
He trumps bombing so many drug people that all the drug people end up at the bottom?
Yeah.
He was bombing those Venezuelan boats.
But it's a whole study, though.
They're trying to figure it out.
So there is something with concentration, right?
Is that certain chemicals do bioconcentrate with bigger...
So if the shark eats a fish and the fish eats a plankton and the plankton...
So they're just the apex predator that's just eating everything then, it sounds like.
Yeah, exactly.
Including whatever they have in them.
That makes more sense.
So the problem is tuna has mercury, right?
So maybe is mercury similar to cocaine?
I would think that cocaine would be different, right?
It's not a metal.
No, yeah, I don't think it accumulates in the same way.
I believe a drug test for something like cocaine and most stimulants only,
it only appears in a piss test a few days later relative to weed,
which is like a month or so because it's fat soluble.
But, yeah, so I don't know.
I'm surprised.
Maybe they did like tissue samples.
They probably did.
I thought this was hilarious though when I saw it.
I mean, how can you not talk about sharks and cocaine, right?
Like, look at this.
This is like something out of a movie.
What is that, that viral movie, like Cocaine Bear?
Are we going to have like cocaine sharks here?
Yeah, I remember that.
Sharkonado.
Now we have sharkonado cocaine.
Sharkonado.
Oh, my God.
It's even better.
Anyways.
Keep me out of the other shit now.
Thanks for explaining.
Oh, the other thing, Ted, you might like, Ted, is the Apollo in real time.
So, Scoresby posted this.
Apparently, you can see all the old recordings from the Apollo mission.
So, when I click on Apollo 13, you can actually hear the T-minus and then the actual.
We're now approaching the T-minus one minute mark.
T-minus one minute.
Yeah, can we see the fake footage?
Or is it just the fake audio?
Oh, yeah, it's really loud.
I can't lower it.
T-minus 50 seconds.
As we have the T-minus 50 seconds.
Yeah, it looks really good, dude.
I've watched all these, like, Apollo missions when it was on HBO.
It's so good.
It's crazy how good AI's gotten, honestly.
What?
Yeah, it almost looks real.
It is real.
Oh, okay.
You guys are bedwarming me.
Come on.
Next thing you say, flat earth.
Car believes a side-up.
Buzz Aldrin came to my school.
There's another.
I don't know if he's drunk or that's just how he is.
He's rambling about how we need to get our asses to Mars.
Oh, wow.
And he's right. Totally right.
Damn.
Was he like an undercover Elon Musk plant or what?
I think he's probably pretty down with Musk.
The rest of the astronauts, I don't think, like, Musk as much.
It's not back in the day, but Buzz was always more ambitious.
Buzz, Buzz, huh?
Buzz the man.
Yeah, Buzz Aldrin was the, yeah, kind of a jackass, apparently.
In the movie, they said he was, like, the first man movie.
They made him seem like he was a jackass.
I don't know.
When you say jackass, I always think of Happy Gilmore.
Yeah, he was kind of like that.
He was just like a.
well no that guy in the crowd
who was just like
jackass
I remember that
the other one I wanted to bring up was
oh actually that's all of them
we're going to jump into Keon's picks
the sets here
Keon what's this
I just thought this was a fun little
it looked like a vibe coded app
I guess it doesn't have one going on right now
but there was a
I think this was an old game
very early on in Bitcoin
someone created a website
where you would donate into a pool
and a blurred image would slowly reveal itself.
And when you donated to the pool,
it would reveal a little bit more of the image
and you could make a guess
as to what you thought was in the image.
And then as the pool got larger and larger,
it would get more and more clear and be easier to guess.
But the general idea is you're kind of,
it's kind of like betting.
You're like betting on your ability
to guess the right image.
And then if you guess the right image,
you win the pool.
It was kind of cool.
And so they've had all these rounds recently
where it looks like many of them
worked their way up to about 5,000 sats.
So if you have a very good eye
for images and shapes and stuff,
you might be able to have an advantage.
That one was 10,000 for that pot.
So it just zooms in and then it zooms out.
But these are old ones,
so you don't get to see what it was like,
but it's like a blurred-out image
where you could barely make out anything
at the very beginning
when the pod has initially started.
That's interesting.
Yeah, but apparently this is an old game.
The first version of this, I think,
was like 2013, maybe even earlier,
and they were inspired to create
a modern version with lightning,
and that's what this is,
and I thought that was pretty cool.
These are more like just kind of fun
Plinko things.
What's Plinko?
It's like Price is Right.
These are like fun little apps to play.
Yeah.
The other one that you had was Solid State Coffee.
NYC to points from Siki.
Yeah, it looks like BTC Maps has Solid State Coffee listed as a location that accepts Bitcoin.
And they're a New York City coffee shop, I believe, in upper Manhattan, if that's what you call it.
But don't they all accept Bitcoin now?
because didn't he turn that on
and not everybody's a Bitcoin shop,
whether they know it or not?
Or no?
Or did I read that?
I think they're planning to do that.
I think they'll announce it at some point.
So I guess Siggy was nearby
and he decided to walk up and visit them
and hopefully spend some Bitcoin somewhere,
support a Bitcoin business.
And he got there and the guy,
the employee had no idea what he was talking about.
And then they asked the manager
and the manager said their Bitcoin machine was broken.
And Siggy was bummed out and kind of disappointed.
So their Square terminal was broken?
We don't know.
They're using Square.
Square is not a ubiquitous payments technology.
Actually, Clover has much more market share than them as far as the point of sale goes.
And as far as I know, Clover is not supporting Bitcoin stuff yet.
Interesting.
Brandon, have you been here?
I've been forwarded that.
Said yet.
Well, I mean, if this goes how we think it's going.
Yeah, it's true.
Brandon, have you been here in NYC?
No, I haven't been to, I haven't, I mean, last time I was in New York City,
it's probably a couple years ago now, maybe 22 or so.
So, haven't been in a while.
Maybe I need to go up there, go to Pub Key or something and go hang out.
How often do you, when you're traveling, how often do you spend in Bitcoin if there's like,
is that something that you'll do if it's like a place or something?
Yeah, I mean, if there's a place, majority of the time, I don't really find too many places, which I would say is, yeah, like in Medellin, maybe there was like a crypto cafe that accepted Bitcoin.
And I recorded actually my most viewed Bitcoin podcast ever with Jeff Booth and the crypto cafe in Medellin, Colombia.
I went back this year. It's gone. Not there anymore.
Oh, man, that sucks.
Maybe it's because it's the crypto cafe, not the Bitcoin cafe.
I don't know.
But, yeah, I mean, when I was in Peru, there wasn't too many places.
But, like, it just really depends.
Like, when I went to Bitcoin Jungle, it's, like, a town of, like, 200 people.
But there's, like, 60 vendors that accept Bitcoin there.
So for, like, the density of the population, that was, like, way swinging above its weight.
So it really just depends on the area I travel to.
sometimes I'll go to like Bitcoin areas
I guess if you want to call them that
but a lot of times
I like the big cities so
a lot of times I'm like in a big city so if there's
something close I'll do it but if not
you know
I don't know if I'm going to make like an hour trek
across town to go spend
Bitcoin if that makes sense. What's in this
breakfast place I'm just curious is that taco
or? Ah it's toast
that's weird
That's weird? They're not
I mean they're not
You're not in Kansas.
You're not a border state.
I'd pass on that.
What did Siggy get?
Did he tell, what did he get?
I think he just got a coffee.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Get the, I would probably get the, let's see here.
You just giving out orders now or what?
I would probably, yeah, I would probably just get the scrambled state sando.
What's a sando?
Does that mean for a sandwich?
Probably a sandwich.
I'd probably get that one, honestly.
On a potato bun?
Yeah, what'd you get breaded?
Probably the same.
I was looking at it earlier.
Or the breakfast plate.
Yeah, somebody go over there.
Add some avocado.
Somebody go over there, Stackers, and try the Scrambled State Sando for car.
I got you.
I'm going with the Slavic pancakes.
Where is that?
I mean, no one asked me, but those look pretty good.
Where is that?
It's not here.
Go to left.
All right.
Shrieky one?
Yeah, shrieky.
Oh, what is this?
It just sounds weird.
Of course you'd get this.
This is the farmer's cheese.
Farmer's cheese and rice flour, bro.
And then whipped labneh?
I don't even know what that is.
That's why you would get it, just so you can try it?
No, I want to try something I haven't tried before.
I honestly wouldn't go to this place because they don't have tacos.
So I wouldn't go.
It's New York City, man.
I know.
That's why I wouldn't go.
But if they had tacos, I would go.
But if they didn't, then you'd starve.
No, I would go still.
But I'd be very dissatisfied the whole time.
Oh, God.
Anyways.
Oh, they have carbonara toast?
That sounds kind of interesting.
This is weird.
This is a weird segment in the podcast.
We should find a picture of a menu each podcast.
Weird New York City cafe.
Oh, look at that latte.
Dude, these are really inexpensive coffees, though.
Maybe just go for the coffee, I'm thinking.
Maybe that's what Siggy did.
He was just like, you know what?
I'm just going to go for the coffee because that looks more up my alley.
One espresso, $4.
That's pretty good.
And an Americano is the same price.
Yeah.
Americano is just water.
Yeah, those aren't New York prices.
Add water to the espresso.
Dude, that's like double in Austin.
I think they're lost liters.
Usually when I go places, an espresso is like $2.50.
Yeah.
And then an American is like $5.
Look at this coconut cream latte.
Yeah.
I've never had that before.
That's weird.
What we should do is we should go, every podcast, we should go on BTC Maps
and find a menu of a location that takes Bitcoin and review the menu.
That would be funny.
I don't know.
It seems like you're into this.
I don't know.
Yeah, I love talking about food and drinks and stuff.
It's one of my favorite things to do.
It's going to make Kara hungry before dinner.
No, I'm full, dude.
We just ate.
I ate that pasta.
I'm full.
You went to this place?
Yeah, we had the Italian.
What kind of pasta you got there?
I had just a regular fettuccine with nothing.
Brandon, what do you?
I got spaghetti and shrimp, not meatballs.
Boom!
It is Lent right now, so I'm not supposed to eat.
Yeah.
No meat.
Anyways, that's all of them.
Siggy keep posting those
I love when Siggy does those
It's like one of my favorite things to see
Is like Siggy travel
Yeah
No he writes great posts
Let us know how the food tastes
If you should have it
There were a lot of great posts this week
Also I think
Simple Sackered
Out of many economists
I think
Den wrote
Another long form piece
Yeah
Lots of good stuff
So we have
Meta
SN release
Editor enhancements
I saw today
When I was pasting links
With the titles
They automatically
Just pre-populated
Yeah
I love that
Thanks
Sooks
Yeah, Socks made these enhancements specifically to copy-paste.
That's awesome.
If you have a rich text source and you copy and paste it in the Markdown source,
it'll convert it into Markdown.
Dude, it literally made my setup 20 minutes.
Yeah, 20 minutes.
Good.
Yeah, and then there's a number of improvements just to that experience in general,
like the Markdown rich text abilities.
and then Optimism also,
I merged, finally, Optimism's work
on the Open Timestamps client replacement,
which is great.
So that wasn't working after a while?
Because that's right here, right?
It was just unmaintained.
It's still working.
It was just, it had never,
the underlying library they've used
that speaks Open Timestamps protocol stuff,
it had gone unmaintained.
It had been like five years since it had seen a commit.
And so for the Staggers listening at home, why is this important, Keon?
For security reasons, because we're basically importing this dependency into our project,
and if it has deprecated dependencies, even if they're transitive like it was in this package,
it's possible that somehow an attacker gets a hold of one of those transitive dependencies,
introduces some kind of malware in it, some kind of secret stealing malware in it.
or I think a product in the Bitcoin space
had a dependency that was popping up crypto ads into it.
These supply chain attacks, basically,
you're trying to prevent them.
And so you try to use these things
that are well-maintained, consumed by a lot of people.
So there's a lot of eyes on it.
And this open timestamp client was not.
So what he did was he,
we tried out this thing that we call vibe vendoring,
where we take these dependencies that we have
and we try to vibe code them like inside of our core code base.
And so this was the first experiment, like one of the trickier ones
because it has CERD, like serialization and deserialization binaries.
And found out it was not as easy as Sweet Hope.
We're not really there yet where I can just say,
I can like kind of one shot something with a binary protocol
as a dependency into the code base.
But it took a lot, it took less long than maybe it would have otherwise.
Anyway, that's kind of a pretty big inside baseball type of change.
The big things that most people care about are probably around these editor enhancements.
There are GIFs in the comment section.
I accidentally grabbed stills, but here we go.
Here's some of the improved functionality as GIFs.
Just better editing inside of the rich text editor,
and then the second GIF is showing copy-paste functionality
that you were describing.
Oh, it does the whole thing?
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it'll convert back and forth.
I didn't know that then.
This all builds upon some of the other work that we described
where we have this ability to convert between Markdown and Rich Text.
That's cool.
Like pretty reliably.
That's awesome.
That's super cool.
Awesome.
Yep.
Well, that's some really good meta this week.
I saw the upgrade almost immediately when I was doing the podcast thing.
Yeah, it is a big quality of life improvement.
Looks like we got a zine maybe at the bottom.
Zine? There it goes right there just in time.
One year of Stacker News zine.
This is from Club Poet, the fun page of Bitcoin.
There you go.
Keon, what can you tell us about this?
I haven't seen the zine yet, but I guess this is our 52nd issue.
We might have skipped an issue or two.
in there to get to this number, I think.
But not without reason.
I think my poet took a break or something.
But this is it.
This is our 50-second issue.
And I don't know exactly what's in it or what the theme is.
It feels like a Nine Inch Nails album.
I'm digging it.
Cool stuff.
I built a website showing how Bitcoin makes the world better.
Yeah, Bitcoin.rocks has been out there for a while,
but it looks like they maybe vibed some significant enhancements to it.
Little vibe code.
Little vibe enhancement.
Did you know Stacker News had its own zine?
Right?
Now I do.
Wow.
There we go.
Yeah.
Pled Poet does these once a week,
so we've been doing it roughly a year.
Dang, that's awesome.
Yeah.
It's basically like the podcast in print form.
And then we ship them off for-
It's better than the podcast, I think.
It's fair.
For 3,000 sats, we try to mail it anywhere in the world.
Wow.
Yeah.
So what's Start Wars?
That's funny.
Oh, that's cool.
That's cool stuff.
Love to see it.
Check out the Stacker News Zine.
Get your copy.
Purchase, print, web.
Making it happen.
There will be a short break.
I think we're going to take it.
Well, that's up to Pleb Poet, but she said she needs like an art vacation.
Oh, okay.
To rebuild her, I don't know, artistic energies.
You know about that, right, Carr?
Yeah.
That's why I do coding now.
It's my break.
That's why I just go and coding.
Oh, yeah.
Dude, you're an artistic engineer, bro.
Dude, no, I'm telling you, though, like I use different brains now.
Because I'll jump on a call, and it's like business call.
So you don't just have one anymore?
Yeah, I don't have one.
And then I jump into the, like, all the community stuff that we do.
That's another brain.
And then I got to do the media stuff like this, like the media stuff.
And then that's a different brain.
And then I get into, like, the sales stuff, and that's a different brain.
And then I get into the creative stuff, and that's just, like, a lot of fun.
And then I get into the coding thing, and that's a totally different game.
But I just, like, crank up the music.
I was listening to Prodigy the other day and just coding dude It was awesome Oh that the best Yeah that was awesome So you just got like a bunch of marbles in there Pretty much yeah I just try to go I try to do everything on the right side of my brain versus the left
because the left feels too logical sometimes.
Can you feel it when your brain is working on one side?
Yeah, right now it's all right, baby.
I love it.
Damn.
I never use my left unless I absolutely have to.
I think right is the creative side, right?
Right is the creative side.
The left side is like all the logical.
Are you left-handed?
um what do you call it that both both ways ambidextrous yeah oh yeah you're like i use my
right anyways um we're gonna jump into the comments or actually let's jump into the top
cowboys baby every week we do this stupid segment
so brandon you don't know this because you never come on this show but this is the most popular did
you know brandon this is more popular than green candles ever been this segment so everybody stops
everything in Bitcoin.
And they're like,
oh, is Carr Coop doing
the top cowboys?
And then they rush over.
They're like,
let's watch a stream.
And then they watch it.
It's because of the hat.
I think it's because
of the dumb...
He loves the hat.
People love the hat.
He loves the hat.
Look how tall that is.
Oh, my God.
Anyways,
the most popular segment
of Bitcoin,
the top cowboys.
Keyon, take it away.
Oh, well,
we don't really say anything.
That's kind of...
This is a fairly static segment.
You look from one week to the next and it doesn't change.
That's what's so exciting about it.
And this week it looks like, yep, nothing has changed again, folks.
I love this segment because it's like watching paint dry.
Well, it's like worse.
It's washing dried paint.
This is like the most Tiz segment we have.
I love it.
I love it so much.
Yeah.
You got to explain the segment here for me.
explain the paint you still don't know what we're doing the paint drive okay so the car usually does
that but so what's going on here is like every week there's stackers that are wearing cowboy hats
so they wear this hat that kian made up was it four years ago five years ago yeah it's roughly
three years i think it's it's after i dropped my other thing it's after jimmy song because jimmy
song has his cowboy hat like that it's not after jimmy song oh i thought it was and then anyway so
every week we look at the...
It's like a streak thing.
So like, yeah, you have to do something.
Keon won't tell the stackers how to do it.
Yeah, it's like a bit of an Easter egg.
It's a bit of an Easter egg.
That's what I'm saying. It's so tizz. I love it.
So nobody knows.
So no one knows how the segment...
People do know because our code is open source.
People have read it.
I mean, people have literally told you on the podcast.
They never told me.
I've literally asked everybody.
Just buy code something to tell you what the code is.
You could probably ask your bot to tell you.
But anyway, so yeah, this is what this segment's about.
So this is a list of people who have kept it the longest.
It's so great.
Who have maintained the streak the longest.
So there was a while where BTC Sessions was doing the same show at the same time,
and he would start roughly around the Cowboy segment.
And then so there's been this rivalry with Stacker News Live and BTC Sessions.
Yeah, he has trolls and bots and my DMs trying to attack me,
sending me death threats about the segment.
I think I was, I've been swatted at least two or three times.
We're kidding.
And it was by Ben Swanson was the account that swatted.
What is his last name?
Doxed.
I don't know if that's his last name, but it sounds eerily familiar, doesn't it?
Doxed.
Triple Doxed.
Anyway, just like all the, Schmitty came in.
He's here at the bottom.
We got McEyes on here.
Peter Todd came in through this week.
Cypher, LMAC.
I always like going to the bottom to see who's the bottom.
and the bottom one is 0213, 0F36, whatever.
Anyways, good.
Good.
Nothing's changed.
Stackers?
Everything was the same.
Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
Paint's still dry, folks.
That's the Cowboy segment.
Keon just likes to put the hat on.
Yeah, that's...
I wanted to wear it for the full podcast,
but Cara was like, no, I'm the jester.
Whoa.
I'm the fun in this podcast,
so you don't get to be the fun.
Hey, we're both fun.
Wow.
So we're going to jump into the comments.
These are some spicy comments.
Let's start at the bottom.
Vake, stay in your main.
You said that about Womble's thing.
The Afro guy.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know what that means, main.
Does he mean the hair?
Or main?
Main?
No.
You want to talk about main?
Does he mean that?
It's got to be the hair.
Isn't it Afro?
It's Afro man.
Yeah, but is he sure he's not trying to do like, main?
Come on, main.
I think that would be, that's like a racist interpretation of what it says.
That's what I saw.
Just to be honest.
He said stay.
Yeah, I mean, I know it's subconscious, but it's still...
I don't have a racist mode in my body.
But I felt like that's what he was trying to do here.
I felt like...
Wow, they're going to clip that.
Now Stacker News is the most racist podcast in Bitcoin.
Oh, man.
It's the only way they can be with us.
Vake, can you just clarify if you're trying to say stay in your mane about Afro man
or are you trying to say stay in your mane about Afro man?
With Vake, you never know.
We need some clarification.
We could have been drunk when he wrote this, Keon.
I think you're the only one drunk
involved in this up devs keep serving me beer every week we going to keep having these podcasts Yeah so let go into here The Pokemon Go one last week we talked about that
So I played Pokemon Go, and actually this news isn't any surprising to me.
They're saying that they're cool with them taking their...
Taking the data.
Yeah.
We got Throbby said, interesting, would love to reconsider energy consumption mid-26.
That was for the Half-Life of Empires.
Oh, that would be cool, yeah.
I think that was like two years ago I covered that one.
Dude, we should do that.
Somebody should.
Yeah, we should follow up with that guy.
The last one was, I think he's dead wrong on Microsoft.
Microsoft's focus is 100% on surveillance, a small percentage on everything else.
Surveillance job one with Microsoft.
This is the graphing one.
I don't know what we said about.
Let's go to the Peter Thiel stuff because this is like the biggest one.
So we covered the Peter Thiel Antichrist.
Have you heard about this, Brandon?
No.
So Peter Thiel's like talking about the Antichrist, but he's doing this in like San Francisco.
He just went to Rome last or a month ago.
And he had another one of these like seminars where he's just talking about the Antichrist.
And it's kind of weird.
Game Dev Nerd said there is no the Antichrist.
And that's a bit of extra biblical lore and fan fiction.
The coined Greek term meant those against Christ generally referred to false teachers and prophets who distorted or undermined the teachings.
of Jesus, like many parts of the Bible
and Christian theology, it got spun into a piece
of elaborate fan fiction
lore with hyper-specific story
about things the Bible does not actually
describe or mention. If you ask a modern Christian
to describe the Antichrist, what they would
give you is a mishmash of books like Dante's Divine
Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost
and Hollywood films like Rosemary, Berry, Baby
and all that stuff. And then the Greek Catholic
came underneath, he says, knowing the
lexical range of
doesn't erase the fact that
scripture also speaks of the man of lawlessness the son of perdition and the final eschatological
opponent john uses antichrist broadly but paul and revelation clearly personify the final figure
you can't flan all biblical categories until one greek loss um another person said peter teal was
afraid that him himself is becoming that obviously um and then the last one is like pt and the one
percent are really scared of consequences finally catching up to all the criminals i go to you
brandon keys what do you think about those greeks man no but what do you think about this whole like
this whole kind of like thing yeah i mean i don't know it's the first time i'm hearing about it uh
so just initial knee-jerk reaction is
yeah i mean peter teal going and preaching these things is kind of like an interesting character
but the second coming
Antichrist is coming I don't know man I feel like
that's
maybe he's just going for attention at this point
I don't know I think
yeah I think these comments make a lot of
sense it's just kind of like fan
fiction or maybe like fear mongering
in a sense
yeah
Keo do you have any thoughts on this
I mean not any more thoughts than I shared
initially but Peter Thiel
is really into Rene
Gerard and is a Christian
and does, I think,
see...
I don't know. He's interested in exploring
the topic of the Antichrist just so
to get the conversation going
about what
potentially could be
materialization
or the Antichrist
actually happening. Is there a way
that warning people can prevent
it from happening? I think that's his interest.
And then also,
I don't know what he believes exactly.
I haven't watched these lectures.
I think they were behind closed doors for the most part.
But it's possible that he,
even if we don't have the actual Antichrist,
there are likely evil forces cast within the symbology
or metaphor of the Antichrist
might help people in the world spot them
and prevent them as they come,
and that might be his interest.
Like he doesn't see there being much harm in talking about the Antichrist in that way.
But that's about as much as I have to say.
Yeah, I think I'm still sticking with what I said last week on the whole thing.
It was like it's just weird to be talking about this.
It's just also like you're supposed to become holy within it.
It's not like a, it's not seen, at least from Catholicism, it's not seen that way.
But maybe in his denomination it is.
It's just kind of strange in my opinion.
But I think, yeah, maybe he's really concerned.
But somebody should go check on him or something.
I don't know.
I think he probably has enough staff to make sure it's fine, really.
Or he should come on the pod and talk about it with us
because we're the only people that will actually talk about it in the tech space.
I don't know.
We'll see anybody else talking about it in the tech space.
Maybe David Bailey could connect you with him.
David Bailey knows him?
I would guess so.
Bailey, hook it up.
I mean, he's closer.
He'll answer your messages.
Bailey doesn't answer my messages.
I don't know after that podcast.
I walk him in this room with you.
He's still watching right now.
He still watching right now I don think he watching He too busy with the conference and stuff Anyways well you know he does the NACA thing He just dumping on the plebs No but NACA owns the conference and I bet he like still all up in that right
You think so?
Because he, like, he was the guy before.
So I assume that the CEO is leaning on him a lot.
I bet he's, like, co-CEO.
That's weird how we were talking about Peter Thiel and the Antichrist,
and you went automatically to David Bailey.
That's weird.
Well, I didn't do it, did I?
You did do it.
I mean, I'm not responsible exactly for how my brain works, right?
I got a lot of brains too, Carl.
Just say.
I'm not responsible with how my brain works.
It's crazy.
Not entirely, right?
Am I the one that's drinking?
There's some initial conditions here that I don't have the levers to.
Anyways, keep commenting.
We'll keep talking about it.
We got found comments too.
Undisputed says, are you alluding to Cowboy Credits, Carl, our favorite token?
I don't remember saying anything about the Cowboy Credits last week.
No, I think he's just making a little fun joke.
Oh, okay.
Oh, because we were talking about the SEC.
Did you hear about the news last week?
about the SSE clarifying the, what was it, the token?
I lost my memory right now.
I'm trying to go to my logical brain.
It was saying that the ICOs and stuff aren't securities.
And then Solana and Ethereum and stable coins are also not securities.
I was alluding to the cowboy credits.
Gotcha.
I feel like that's in-game tokens.
I mean, I think they were referring to the cowboy credits here from Stacker News, man.
That's how you get to the top.
Econ takes two to three top stories.
That was one of Undisputs said, and then Great Movie Zapped.
What were the top stories?
I guess that one and some of the other ones were.
Yeah, I think it might have been a Denpost.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
One of his economists.
Cool.
That's all the stories this week.
Let's see if we got any comments at the bottom.
No.
Good thing.
Cool.
Guion, what are you doing this weekend?
What am I doing?
um it's a great question that i don't have a answer for that's not really any good yeah i don't think
i'm doing i'm not doing anything so i'm excited about that and um that should be great how about
you what are you up to brady keys what are you up to what am i up to oh my goodness who knows man
crazy stuff probably you know flipping a car over lighting it on fire you know just alone yeah just
It's an average weekend, you know.
No, I'm honestly probably just, you know,
maybe I'll go hang out with some friends tonight,
and then the rest of the weekend just working, man.
Love to see you.
On the head down grinding, boys.
Love to hear it.
Record some videos.
Get some plans going.
Oh, yeah, we should shout out Green Candle.
Thank you for coming on the show.
Let me see if we can go to.
You don't need to shout me out.
Zachary's don't even probably know.
I wonder, do you think the Zachary's know who he is?
I bet some of them do.
They do?
Green Candle.
You just search Green Candle
Does it come up first? Oh there it goes
Oh Boog listens, okay
But yeah, this is Green Candle
Brandon, what do you want to tell us about what's going on in your channel?
Yeah
Look at those numbers
Well, I'm getting a little away from the podcast
I'm doing more videos myself
Just me talking to the camera
So I hope you guys like it
Yeah, I'd love to hear some feedback on it
Trying to get more into that
So
yeah i've been reading your sub stack it's really good i always post it on on the slack
yeah so i always uh yeah i also yeah i have my sub stack i'm uh a lot of these live streams that
i do i i also write a sub stack article so if you like it more in the written form um yeah i
kind of hit it hit it from all angles uh when i did yesterday or no two days ago it was about the
Walmart is now bringing in some digital, some new signs into their online store.
Yeah, I saw that.
The digital shelf stuff.
Yeah.
Bringing more dynamic pricing into the initial stuff.
Look at your comment stream.
Look at that, dude.
They're all actively engaged.
Yeah, you know, we get some people in there every now and then.
Wow, that's crazy.
What's that like?
I think we have like three people.
I'm not a star yet.
not a star by any means.
Keon, when are we going to get comments like that
just in the...
I'm the tiz hat
component of this.
This looks cool, Brandon.
Thanks, man. Appreciate that.
Check out Green Candle.
All the links are right here. Follow them on Twitter.
If you're on Twitter.
On Spotify too as well.
TikTok? How do you do on TikTok?
I don't post any clips on TikTok
yet. I did it for a little
bit um actually maybe breaking news here on stacker news but i have my uh one of my guys is
working on uh creating basically like an opus clip vibe coding it so he's gonna make uh his own
kind of thing and and put in some b-roll and do all that and he's gonna start making clips for me
so hell yeah so maybe the tiktok will start to get active again so watch out might be a tiktok star
here.
It's going to blow up.
Stackers, we will see
you next time.
Keon. Zap.
Alright.