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In the Planned Lab, it's Austin, Texas.

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This is Stacker News Live!

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Keon and Plipolis.

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How are y'all doing?

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What a day.

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I am so good.

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Yeah?

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I'm on fire.

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I'm still sort of on fire.

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You told me I smelled like tea and I'm still really and I'm still positive.

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I think that was a compliment.

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like i love my mom my mom used to wake us up and i would smell like brew brewing tea your mom

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smells like tea and i smell like well as a kid like i would smell brewing tea like it's the best

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compliment i've ever heard i smell like your mom dude no she would just make like it's like that's

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nice anyway what's your mom smell like tea my mom yeah you said who whose mom your mom what is your

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mom she doesn't smell like tea i don't know she's she's in a retirement home now so it's kind of

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like cumin oh she smells like that she smells like that well i'm gonna eat sushi if that's okay

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with you guys yeah go ahead all right what kind of sushi just an avocado roll i'm not adventurous

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wait really i don't like fish but i like sushi oh interesting is that why that one time we had

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fish at bitcoin builders club and you were like not on board with it yeah oh interesting i told

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you i thought wow how did you know that what about shellfish or shrimp or not into shrimp

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nothing that's from the ocean not really what about like things you were near lakes and i grew

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up so far away from the ocean yeah we can do fried catfish we can do that okay you'll eat a fried

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catfish my uncle always caught carp carpy carp something like that might be carpy if it's feminine

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I don't think that's how fish work

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bro you don't know how fish work

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they don't have feelings

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tell me how fish have no

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feelings if it was female I wouldn't eat it

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I wouldn't do that to her

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I see you have too much respect

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yeah for the fish or for the

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yeah for the ladies for the ladies

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oh I'm like

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she represents

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like you can disrespect the fish

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you know

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well that's cool what did you guys do this week

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what did you do this week

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a poet i haven't seen you all week well i just came back from doing a wedding florals oh really

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wedding florals i've been doing all day so i'm kind of riding off that high right now

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people are getting married today yeah it always makes me super happy when i see it at church i'm

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like oh that's so awesome yeah yeah it really does yeah it's the beginning and the end huh

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well what else did i do um i made zine 32 oh that's cool and you can yeah we'll talk about

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that i'll probably print one out while we're live wow uh keon what did you do uh you know i did i

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did so many things um i went uh whale riding well righty yeah and um it's where you ride whales

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did you really no i didn't do anything i was in my office for seven days straight since this last

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time i was on the camera here and that's pretty much all i did i didn't really do anything else

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that's well that's what's up with me how about you car what were you up to so many meetings this

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week i had so many meetings just all over do you want to talk to you what are they talking about

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Yeah, I just like trying to get stuff ready for January and stuff.

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And things are moving.

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A lot of, what do they say?

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A lot of things in the, irons in the thing?

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Irons in the fire.

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A lot of irons in the fire.

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Irons in the lobby.

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Right while the iron is hot.

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Yeah, a lot of that.

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So we're just trying to get stuff ready for January and get everything ready.

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And then you get one of those curveballs every once in a while.

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And so you've got to adjust on the fly.

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People hit curveballs all the time, dude.

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Hey, man, that's a start of life.

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You just kind of look at it as an opportunity.

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But other than that, it's been a great week here on Stacker News Live.

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You've never seen this crazy show before.

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It's called Stacker News Live.

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We cover the, what's the thing now?

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Is there a new, I feel like you guys got a new tagline now.

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Oh, we're trying one.

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It's 24-7 Bitcoin meetup on a website.

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That's terrible.

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Okay.

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24-7.

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I know people like you don't like it.

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No, it just doesn't roll off the tongue.

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Why on a website part?

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because I think it's

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because it says Bitcoin meetup

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and if it's a 24-7

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Bitcoin meetup, they might think it's like physical.

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Oh, like a nonstop party.

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Yes, exactly.

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Oh, I see.

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it can still be a nonstop party.

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Anyways, if you're interested in this great show before,

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check it out.

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We have videos that Wumble does

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and he makes clips.

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And last week's most popular video

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was the orange pillied one.

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And apparently that one, the one about the 3D printing one.

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Oh.

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Surprisingly.

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It was like so long ago.

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Last week.

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Anyways, other than that, check it out.

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Cool.

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We're going to jump into the top three stories.

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And we'll be doing all of that starting right now.

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The number three top story this week on Stacker News was we're number 28.

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We're number 28.

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This is from Jason B.

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20 comments, 15,000 cents.

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Keyon, what is this?

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Yeah.

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So I think Trump said in an interview that he wants Bitcoin or he wants crypto in the United States to be number one in crypto.

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And Jason B. responded by saying the United States is incredibly behind nearly everyone.

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And then he shilled basically South Africa, which is number one in terms of merchant adoption and stuff.

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That's most of it.

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It's number 28 based on a list of merchants.

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I forget where.

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I would guess it's btcmaps.org is what he's referring to.

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And then he said if you remove Steak and Shake from that list, like all of their locations, the United States is like super low.

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So based on that list, it's South Africa, I think Thailand.

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He lists them out in here somewhere else.

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That's where you can actually use Bitcoin the most.

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Maybe that will change when Square actually rolls out their payment, their Bitcoin payments at terminals.

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I think they're supposed to.

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I don't know what's required for that to happen or whatever.

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but until then it looks like based on btcmaps.org and jason b's uh post here it's really south africa

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that's number one and then he shills south africa in a bunch of other ways it sounds like he might

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it might not be a short stay there it sounds like he might be uh planting roots and yeah he said

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i what i've he said he didn't like it yeah go for it he said he didn't like it but what i liked

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like about South Africa that he mentioned was that

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they go around barefoot.

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all walks of life, they'll just go into

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stores barefoot and stuff and it's completely

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acceptable. I thought that was pretty neat.

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He said they have, oh, you can

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buy a Toyota Hilux there.

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van or cargo truck that

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everyone wants that you can't get in

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the United States. You can buy those there. You can buy

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basically any car there because there's none of the regulations are really followed even though

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they have to because they maybe have too many of them uh even more so than we do oh and the other

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thing is he said uh all of the like playgrounds are hazardous which is yeah kind of really important

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if you're a child or a drunk young adult,

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as I can contest to.

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Plep, do you have anything on this?

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Did you see the Trump 60 Minutes interview?

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I read Jason B.'s other post this week,

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which was about his wife scamming people.

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Oh, yeah.

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We're going to cover that, too.

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So what about Trump, did you say?

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Apparently he was in 60 Minutes.

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I didn't know that he was on there.

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Oh, I have no comment.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I don't think America needs Bitcoin at this point.

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I think most other places like Mexico and other areas,

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South America, stuff like that, need it most.

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I think people will keep accumulating Bitcoin in America,

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but I do think there's a very small group of people

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that are buying Bitcoin and most of it's corporations

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and startups and stuff like that.

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But that's my reality.

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I don't know if that's perception.

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I wonder, like I'm curious

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where most of the Bitcoin ownership is.

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There's probably been a report over the last few years

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where someone did that, like a block research report

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or a spiral report or something.

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But I would guess most of the Bitcoin ownership is based in the United States,

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at least held with these exchanges with all the Bitcoin in the United States.

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It's kind of like we've been covering this all, I feel like all, gosh,

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like all year long about them exporting dollars elsewhere

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so people don't get their hands on Bitcoin and that sort of thing, game being played.

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But in reality, people just want Bitcoin so they can just make the decision for themselves.

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Yeah, so I don't know.

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And I feel like most people already have decided on Bitcoin at this point.

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And most Americans are priced out.

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If I'm being completely honest, they're just priced out of Bitcoin.

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So that's just kind of how I look at it.

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Oh, well, they're not priced.

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What do you mean they're priced out?

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They can still buy sats.

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You're just not seeing the same amount of,

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and it could just be my reality of what I'm seeing out there.

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It's just that when I talk to normal people about Bitcoin,

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they feel priced out.

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They're like, it's too late.

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i think that's why they're trying to like rebrand bitcoin like sats is bitcoin and stuff i think

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that's part of the motivation is like they know people have a unit bias and they're trying to

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fight it yeah it's like you can own them you can own it bro you're not priced out you can own a

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thousand bitcoins right now for a dollar yeah yeah i like the way i like the way brandon brandon

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he has said it and i think that's more true is like buy 1200 in bitcoin hold for five years

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and then tell me if you still believe in bitcoin um i'm obviously i'm like shrinking it down but

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he kind of said a similar statement and it's true like you know when i bought bitcoin

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that's exactly what i did right and then i understood oh you bought bitcoin when i first

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got in yeah when i first heard about it yeah so i think that's the reality of it all is like

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You know, put some money in and then hold it for five years

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and then tell me if you still believe in it or not.

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At least as an American, that's my advice.

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I would...

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So don't feel priced out.

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Don't care about the price.

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Just buy it.

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Yeah, like my nephews and my nieces always tell them,

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like, you should be buying $2, $5 of Bitcoin every week

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and not thinking about it.

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But they don't listen?

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or i mean crazy uncle car right crazy uncle car anyways are you the crazy uncle is that what they

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call oh totally yeah yeah all the other all your brothers and sisters uh trying to think

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let's make it one yeah i'm definitely the crazy one yeah for sure oh yeah i mean is that kind of

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obvious right no i'm always the one that talks about crazy stuff i never met any in your family

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That might be even crazier.

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They might be really wacky.

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Yeah, my sister comes to Austin every once in a while.

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I guess I should bring her to the lab.

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Filly hats.

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I just don't want to, you know.

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Do you remember when my mom came to the lab?

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I never met him.

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Like three years ago, we were down 6th Street.

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Did I meet him?

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I think so.

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No, I don't think I was there that day.

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Well, she looks just like me.

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Probably not her.

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Do you guys share clothes?

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No.

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that would have been a good picture she was a kindergarten teacher in the 90s and i really

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wish i had her clothes from that era but she's moved on she didn't say i wasted like kind of

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professional but like animal print on the like a vest she was like a element oh wow really like a

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vest i remember those i really wish she had those clothes still but yeah i'll never get them yeah

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She was my kindergarten teacher actually

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That sounds like

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That sounds really cool

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What is that called?

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Nappetism

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Anyways

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Let's get on to the next story

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The number two top story of the week

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Is fake L2 scams

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Like ARK, SPARKS, Citrio, DriveChains

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And other

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BoopCoins 2.0

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This is from Justin Shocknet

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Justin Shocknet

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35 comments

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10,400 cents

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Keon

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what is Justin talking about this week?

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Yeah, he's talking about, I mean, I think most of us

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who've read Justin Shocknett's comments

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have seen similar sentiments that he shared elsewhere.

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Basically everything but lightning, he considers a fake L2.

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You can, it doesn't take much effort,

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but there was like, there's a whiff of slop

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in this post that I had to fight myself to get through.

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But I think Justin's opinions come through

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and you can understand what he's saying.

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General sentiment is that a lot of these L2s

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are really just repackaging trusts

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and repackaging centralization and protocol labeling.

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They are protocolizing things,

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things that we usually don't want.

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Oh,

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here comes pleb dev.

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Pleb dev.

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Yeah.

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I think Austin wants to talk about this.

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I think.

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Here you go.

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Austin.

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You want to bring that?

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I haven't used it over here.

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I haven't looked very closely into arc.

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I don't really think we need your,

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and we need your take on this,

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Jana.

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Yeah.

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Here in frame.

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I'll let,

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I think Austin has opinions on this.

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So I'll let him.

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Well,

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I mean,

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save your life with ark yeah you know you might save your life by just

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cussing your own bitcoin um yeah i mean i think justin justin has like a whole framework

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of thinking about that he's one of the you know when someone has like they're such a unique thinker

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that they have their own like analogies they have their own you know mind experiments and

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frameworks for how to think about things and how to view things.

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Yes.

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And it's like, okay, that's pretty cool.

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And I respect that.

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But at the same time, like I have to get on board and like understand your framework in

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order to even like have the conversation with you.

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So there's a sense that like, I feel like I don't fully understand Justin's position

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and argument because it's a whole framework.

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But I think the, the real takeaway that I have is what I like how you put it, which is

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repackaging trust.

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And basically kind of in the opening, it's a very long post, but in the opening, he describes how ARK, Spark, Citrius, Stacks, you know, what are they doing?

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The repackaging trust, they're basically giving you features or ways of using Bitcoin that were already possible.

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But they were kind of like the gross way of using Lightning or the cheap shortcut way of using Lightning.

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You know, like an easy, simple idea, if I want to give, if you're a dumb user and I want to give you lightning service, the easy, simple thing I can do is, you know, maybe be a custodian.

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Or then maybe I can be a lightning service provider.

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So then I'm not really custodian, but, you know, you're very much relying on me.

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Or I might do like zero conf channels.

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or, you know, I might do a combination of these things

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and you have a backup key that lets you, you know, whatever.

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You know, you can kind of combine these things,

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but he's arguing that, well, that's not what,

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that's not what we'll sell to investors

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and that's not what we'll sell to the new savvy hipster users

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that want to jump on the hot new bandwagon thing, right?

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You need to come up with a whole new protocol

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and a whole new branding.

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Don't tell me it's zero conf channels.

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Tell me it's a new paradigm for how to spend and use Bitcoin.

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It's a new layer almost maybe.

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And then he's kind of taking the argument that I think we've kind of heard as Bitcoiners for a while,

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which is that the new form of shitcoining is a more subtle kind of shitcoining.

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It's, oh, it's a layer two on Bitcoin.

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So he's kind of combining, I think, and expanding on these ideas.

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and I think that there's good insights in them

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and they're insights worth thinking about,

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which is like, for example, a good question to ask,

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what is Spark or Ark or Cashew,

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what are they giving me that I can't already do myself?

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That's a good place to start.

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And I mean, even as I ask myself that question,

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my mind starts to run and I'm like,

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I don't know, that's a lot.

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That's a lot to kind of unpack.

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What really are they giving me that I couldn't do myself with zero conf channels?

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But then are we really talking about me?

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No, we're not talking about me.

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We're talking about, and this is what he alludes to next,

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these hypothetical billions of users that need UTXOs.

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They're begging for UTXOs.

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They just haven't asked for them yet.

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And then, of course, he's speaking to the idea of scaling that we need to scale right now.

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and there's the problem of scaling of that we must do something right now but wait who's telling us

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that we need to scale it's not a billion users it's like you know coincidentally these developers

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that have scaling projects they're the ones that are so we should trust them definitely they know

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that it's time to scale the ones building the scaling solutions for bitcoin right it's not the

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fact that we would see all of the numbers around bitcoin and bitcoin payments and bitcoin usage and

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fees go up. No, it's not that. It's that he or she talking head, Bitcoin scaler, tells us it's time.

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So, you know, these are things that he points out that I definitely speak to me.

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Is there anything that he got right in here?

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Well, I mean, I'm...

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That you both agree on, I guess?

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No, I mean, I'm agreeing. Yeah, basically.

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Yeah, no.

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Sorry if I'm... I have a bit too much sarcasm.

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Oh, so you're actually agreeing with all of this, he says.

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Yeah, I'm repackaging Justin's argument in my own words, basically.

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Oh, wow. There you go. Wow.

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Okay.

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But the thing is, like, I think where I would veer off from Justin, like, I don't, once again, I don't have Justin's full framework.

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But I think that the very first big leap that he makes that I just can't get on the bandwagon with is that, I mean, if you scroll up to the top, it's basically that these people, okay, these are all means to solve problems or enhance UX.

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these are sorry are all means not to solve problems or enhance ux but to smuggle trust

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and centralization for a profit okay there's kind of a leap there okay so i believe in the

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incentives there are incentives to capture the profit in bitcoin you know or and maybe in lightning

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you know what little profit there is but there's a little bit of a leap that like a justin will make

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to say these people are tricking you intentionally you know they know that this is a that they're

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swindling you for profit and they are merchants of complexity that are trying to you know sell

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you complexity yeah i go getting to motive is always tricky i'm always suspicious of that when

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someone tries to tells me what's inside someone else's head yes and it's almost like i can get

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behind all of the logic and even kind of like the the chip on justin's shoulder that he has i can get

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behind all of that but when i look when i look and talk to these people that are working on arc spark

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and citria and beyond i don't get the sense that these are people trying to trick me and trick

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average users i get the sense that they're nerd sniped themselves by their own technology they

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they believe in what they're doing they see very valid critiques that if they brought it up to us

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it would be hard to argue against those critiques.

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Yeah, you talked to Tiara,

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and he actually believed what he was building, right?

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Yeah, I think you were right on that.

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And I mean, you know, everyone building in the L2 space,

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and a lot of these people, they are Lightning developers.

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They are Lightning developers that moved on.

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Steven Roos, who's working on ARK,

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you know, many, I don't know,

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who's working on the Spark protocol side

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that was involved in Lightning,

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but, you know, I'm sure there's people there.

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Citria, you know, eCash Kali

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was a very major Lightning developer before he made Cashew, for example. So like a lot of these

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people came from Lightning. A lot of them, they could, you know, they might be able to call you

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out on your critiques. So that's where I introduce a lot of nuance is that even though I agree with

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Justin, I like a lot of his arguments here. And I think there's so much worth thinking about.

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I look at the people working on these protocols and I think to myself, like,

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these are pretty smart people. These are pretty smart people. And these are deep, complicated

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problems. And they've been working and thinking about these problems in a lot of cases for a long

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time. I bet there's a lot that I'm not appreciating and understanding. And so that's where still my

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little bit of nuance and kind of me being in the middle comes into play of like, you know,

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I don't have a hard position on this. If I do have a hard position, it's that I feel that people are

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moving on from lightning too fast. Lightning gives us all the primitives that we need and want.

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It leaves us with some very problematic user experience issues and issues with operating at

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scale. But I don't think the answer is move on and go nerd snipe everyone about the next thing.

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A lot of the reason that I'm a developer is because of lightning and because of how much

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lightning inspired me and even though i play in the realms of nostor and e-cash and arc and and

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stacks back in the day um i'm not ready to move on to lightning the mission of lightning is not over

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i was a stack sir yes there's there's a lot of bitcoin lightning devs actually that were in the

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stacks community in like 2018 19 they had some crazy bounty programs i wish i was a better dev

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back in the back in the day yep but anyway that's my that's my brain dump on all this stuff what do

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you think i think that's fair i don't actually i haven't looked too deeply into arc or any of

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these things i vaguely understand spark um but i don't so i can't i can't argue with a technical

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like anything that stems from a technical argument with the with with these things but i suspect i

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I think the motive is right.

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We were, it was Barack and Tierra were at the Sixth Street location working on the ARC spec,

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the Sixth Street location of Pub Lab working on the ARC spec back in like 2022.

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And what Barack said to me was like, I'm obsessed with scaling.

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I'm obsessed.

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That's what he said.

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That sounds like such a Barack thing to say.

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That's how he described what he was doing to me.

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He's like, I'm obsessed with scaling.

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so I'm going to try to figure out a new way to scale Bitcoin.

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And so I think that's the motive.

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When you're an engineer, it's hard to scale things

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and so you're attracted to that.

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That's the Everest of any kind of project.

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So that's why you have a lot of engineers going after that.

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Surely there are some people in it for profit

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and trying to make money from it.

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And I think if what these projects do

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and what I think a lot of them claim is that they kind of have the same like trust assumptions and same assumption like trust assumptions and things i know justin would would argue against that but they have the same trust assumptions maybe as lightning but are like repackaging it and another type of um like way

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of interacting with it i think that might be good either that might solve some of the problems that

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we know lightning has with with user experience and maybe maybe that maybe it is just we just need

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slightly different trade-offs in the way we interact with Lightning to make it something

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that people want to use. I was having an argument in a Stacker News thread, I think a week ago,

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with the guys from Rizful. And they're like, well, if that's true about Spark,

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why don't people just use PayPal? And I'm like, yeah. That's what Spark's trying to do. They're

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trying to provide people with a PayPal-like experience, but without KYC and with unilateral

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exits that's basically what they're trying to do that's what all these people are trying to do

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with these l2 these fake l2s that's what because that's what people want paypal paypal is clearly

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wait i don't understand what it's succeeded now i know i know like it it has a promise as a promise

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of removing the bad parts of paypal which is where you can get like censored and stuff like that i'm

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not saying spark actually achieves that but i think that's what what they're going towards that's like

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what they're that's what they want to build so uh-huh yeah yeah and this is where like also

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scale i think the scale bros versus i don't know what you would call like maybe my side or

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my side of things where i'm like a sovereignty bro like i'm more interested in the sovereign

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primitives of a thing first then the scale because it's not worth i don't want to scale a turd and

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for me, a turd is anything that, you know, gives me similar guarantees of Fortnite, V-Bucks, or

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PayPal, or, you know, whatever, just some stupid payment network that already exists. That's not

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interesting to me. What would be interesting is if you had a really sovereign primitive that can

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actually give me something, back to what I was saying earlier, what does this thing give me,

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that gives me something that I can't otherwise get, or guarantees, or privacy, or something like

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that. And maybe there's a trade-off involved. And, you know, hey, speaking to eCash, this was my big

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defense of eCash because I was working on an eCash wallet last year and having a lot of

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argumentative conversations with people trying to defend where you might want to use eCash and where

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it is a good solution, where it actually has a tangible benefit worth trading off if you don't

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need this other benefit you know self-custody mainly yeah right honestly um and you know and

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so yeah there's there's always trade-offs but for me like as a sovereign bro uh i'm gonna say

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to the scale bro like yeah your scale's cool but like meta has scale and paypal and cash app has

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scale like where what are you trading for scale yeah what are you trading for scale um and one

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thing I want to say about your like repackaging argument I do agree that it's not that repackaging

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lightning or taking the existing you know feature set of lightning and formatting it in some kind of

471
00:28:57,642 --> 00:29:03,822
package that's a bad thing inherently like no that can be a good thing but another another place that

472
00:29:03,822 --> 00:29:11,942
I push back against you know the slew of l2 l3s side chains is they're they're taking it's already

473
00:29:11,942 --> 00:29:18,242
difficult enough to understand what your, I guess, property rights are in Bitcoin. You know,

474
00:29:18,302 --> 00:29:22,642
what are your property rights? How do I think about this? How do I custody this across time?

475
00:29:22,902 --> 00:29:28,202
When I use this or this service or this or this wallet, what risk am I exposing myself to?

476
00:29:28,702 --> 00:29:33,202
Right? That's hard enough in Bitcoin. Then we go into lightning, right? And we've been educating

477
00:29:33,202 --> 00:29:38,122
ourselves as plebs on lightning. We've been educating ourselves for a good six or seven

478
00:29:38,122 --> 00:29:44,922
years now and uh you know still figuring things out in a lot of ways and still getting things

479
00:29:44,922 --> 00:29:51,582
wrong in a lot of ways but none of these solutions are simplifying that scenario they're adding way

480
00:29:51,582 --> 00:29:56,922
more complexity on top of a thing that we already don't understand lightning so for me it's like

481
00:29:56,922 --> 00:30:03,102
even if your solution is is a silver bullet when it comes to trade-offs you're adding more

482
00:30:03,102 --> 00:30:08,402
complexity on top of what the user already doesn't understand. So it's like, if the user has no way

483
00:30:08,402 --> 00:30:13,582
of vetting or engaging with this in a truly sovereign way, then already we're throwing the

484
00:30:13,582 --> 00:30:19,802
baby out with the bathwater. And so that's another thing I push back on is like, we're already

485
00:30:19,802 --> 00:30:24,522
probably in the realm of too much complexity with lightning. I argue people love to say Bitcoin

486
00:30:24,522 --> 00:30:30,302
simple. I like to, I don't think Bitcoin is simple because when you have to start explaining how it

487
00:30:30,302 --> 00:30:36,682
works it's not fucking simple so and and these are questions that involve you your very understanding

488
00:30:36,682 --> 00:30:43,322
of your property rights on bitcoin so you know hey sovereign sovereign bros this is what we have

489
00:30:43,322 --> 00:30:49,482
to deal with uh is sitting with the same hard problems for a long time and trying to find the

490
00:30:49,482 --> 00:30:54,242
right set of trade-offs the scale bros will always want to move on and just like go conquer the world

491
00:30:54,242 --> 00:30:57,202
And, you know, that's inherent with the archetypes.

492
00:30:57,202 --> 00:31:04,542
But I think Justin is making a good sovereign Maxi argument here,

493
00:31:04,682 --> 00:31:06,302
I think, against the scale bros.

494
00:31:07,662 --> 00:31:08,222
Very nice.

495
00:31:08,662 --> 00:31:12,282
Hey, give me a high five, Austin.

496
00:31:12,522 --> 00:31:12,942
Good rant.

497
00:31:14,322 --> 00:31:15,522
Your wife wants a high five.

498
00:31:16,082 --> 00:31:17,342
Hey, give me a high five.

499
00:31:18,342 --> 00:31:19,922
Right here, right here.

500
00:31:20,702 --> 00:31:20,902
Right there.

501
00:31:24,242 --> 00:31:26,302
You have to reach.

502
00:31:26,562 --> 00:31:26,982
There you go.

503
00:31:27,042 --> 00:31:28,022
There it is.

504
00:31:28,262 --> 00:31:28,702
Smack.

505
00:31:29,702 --> 00:31:30,402
All right, cool.

506
00:31:30,682 --> 00:31:31,202
There we go.

507
00:31:33,522 --> 00:31:34,542
Jenny, get any of you on?

508
00:31:34,882 --> 00:31:35,162
No.

509
00:31:36,562 --> 00:31:39,202
Does he ever go on these at home and you're just like?

510
00:31:39,762 --> 00:31:40,702
Yeah, but I agree.

511
00:31:41,202 --> 00:31:42,362
You're like, sounds about right?

512
00:31:43,122 --> 00:31:43,442
Yeah.

513
00:31:44,442 --> 00:31:50,342
I kind of said the same thing to the lady at Bitcoin conference

514
00:31:50,342 --> 00:31:53,462
after she was like, we need to abandon lightning

515
00:31:53,462 --> 00:31:54,282
because it won't scale.

516
00:31:56,142 --> 00:31:57,322
Wait, who said that?

517
00:31:57,902 --> 00:31:59,602
Somebody from...

518
00:31:59,602 --> 00:32:01,582
Oh, like open source stage?

519
00:32:02,142 --> 00:32:04,162
Yeah, and she was with like...

520
00:32:04,162 --> 00:32:04,802
Oh, MIT.

521
00:32:05,482 --> 00:32:05,922
MIT?

522
00:32:06,162 --> 00:32:07,162
MIT, yeah.

523
00:32:07,462 --> 00:32:11,542
And it's also like, I think when you start to, you know,

524
00:32:12,342 --> 00:32:14,922
Justin is throwing some heat in this post, right?

525
00:32:15,022 --> 00:32:16,482
He's throwing some strong words.

526
00:32:17,142 --> 00:32:19,902
This is what you unlock inside of plebs

527
00:32:19,902 --> 00:32:21,942
when you're like, you know,

528
00:32:21,942 --> 00:32:24,202
you start out your argument and you're like, well,

529
00:32:24,662 --> 00:32:27,182
so lightning is clearly a failure that doesn't scale.

530
00:32:27,662 --> 00:32:28,842
It's like, I'm sorry.

531
00:32:29,202 --> 00:32:29,762
I'm sorry.

532
00:32:29,862 --> 00:32:31,622
Lightning has scaled just fine for me.

533
00:32:31,682 --> 00:32:34,242
And it's been just a great success for me.

534
00:32:35,922 --> 00:32:37,822
So who is it failing for?

535
00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:41,962
You know, users that don't even understand

536
00:32:41,962 --> 00:32:44,782
nor want to leverage their property rights on Bitcoin.

537
00:32:45,142 --> 00:32:46,082
Oh, okay.

538
00:32:46,782 --> 00:32:48,022
Why aren't they using Fortnite?

539
00:32:48,982 --> 00:32:51,322
You know, why aren't they using something

540
00:32:51,322 --> 00:32:57,582
that's better suited for this so it just once again it comes to like apply like where you're

541
00:32:57,582 --> 00:33:03,062
applying these arguments and then uh you know i guess where it starts that's fine though with

542
00:33:03,062 --> 00:33:07,962
people talking on stage about stuff like that but where it starts to disturb me is to see the

543
00:33:07,962 --> 00:33:14,842
the average pleb start to accept that you know yeah lightning is just not viable lightning is

544
00:33:14,842 --> 00:33:19,662
i'll never be able to run a lightning node and you know i'm probably for my everyday zaps and my

545
00:33:19,662 --> 00:33:24,702
usage on Stacker News and all of that, I'm probably just going to be using eCash or a

546
00:33:24,702 --> 00:33:29,222
custodial Lightning wallet. And it's like, no, that's not, you know, that's not where we want

547
00:33:29,222 --> 00:33:34,422
to see the space going. We want to see people inspired, feeling that they can be sovereign

548
00:33:34,422 --> 00:33:40,442
Bitcoiners and they can run their own Swiss bank in the cloud and figure it out and understand it

549
00:33:40,442 --> 00:33:46,042
and not need to trust the operators. I don't need an operator. I'm a Bitcoiner. I'm a pleb.

550
00:33:46,042 --> 00:33:48,802
and that's like more of the mindset I want to see

551
00:33:48,802 --> 00:33:50,782
but instead I see

552
00:33:50,782 --> 00:33:52,382
a bunch of plebs getting nerd sniped

553
00:33:52,382 --> 00:33:54,682
by tech that they don't even really

554
00:33:54,682 --> 00:33:55,262
understand

555
00:33:55,262 --> 00:33:58,542
and I'll stop talking about it

556
00:33:58,542 --> 00:33:59,482
powerful

557
00:33:59,482 --> 00:34:01,122
powerful message

558
00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:02,262
thanks Austin

559
00:34:02,262 --> 00:34:07,422
yeah it was

560
00:34:07,422 --> 00:34:09,162
a good one

561
00:34:09,162 --> 00:34:09,722
Keon

562
00:34:09,722 --> 00:34:12,482
are you surprised that he had such a poignant

563
00:34:12,482 --> 00:34:14,622
no I had some indication earlier

564
00:34:14,622 --> 00:34:15,922
he was sacking out here

565
00:34:15,922 --> 00:34:17,482
with his

566
00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:19,962
sack and he was beating around

567
00:34:19,962 --> 00:34:21,042
his sack out here.

568
00:34:23,902 --> 00:34:25,482
I've never seen such a thing.

569
00:34:25,642 --> 00:34:27,742
He was just smacking his sack around

570
00:34:27,742 --> 00:34:29,742
out here as he does look at it.

571
00:34:29,902 --> 00:34:31,842
He's nice. He's in the background

572
00:34:31,842 --> 00:34:33,962
here behind the screen. You guys can't

573
00:34:33,962 --> 00:34:35,762
see it, but he's just beating his sack up.

574
00:34:37,562 --> 00:34:40,022
So he's out here and then he was like, yeah, I'm going to get into

575
00:34:40,022 --> 00:34:42,162
this Justin ShockNet post

576
00:34:42,162 --> 00:34:43,922
or are you guys going to get into this Justin

577
00:34:43,922 --> 00:34:45,522
ShockNet post? And then you're

578
00:34:45,522 --> 00:34:49,102
I don't remember what else was said, but I was like, oh, I know Austin's got some takes.

579
00:34:49,722 --> 00:34:50,082
Interesting.

580
00:34:50,282 --> 00:34:51,322
It was a return to the mic.

581
00:34:51,802 --> 00:34:52,162
Cool.

582
00:34:52,762 --> 00:34:55,582
We're going to jump into the number one top story of the week.

583
00:34:56,202 --> 00:34:58,702
Invoice your customers are prepared to get scammed by my wife.

584
00:34:58,762 --> 00:35:00,142
This is from Jason B.

585
00:35:00,222 --> 00:35:00,762
Another one.

586
00:35:01,262 --> 00:35:04,262
19 comments, 13,300 sats.

587
00:35:04,902 --> 00:35:06,522
Keyon or Pleppo.

588
00:35:06,642 --> 00:35:07,082
What's this?

589
00:35:07,202 --> 00:35:08,082
I think you know probably.

590
00:35:08,142 --> 00:35:08,982
Yeah, you read this one.

591
00:35:10,362 --> 00:35:10,722
Yep.

592
00:35:10,882 --> 00:35:11,742
You should probably write it for the zine.

593
00:35:11,742 --> 00:35:14,622
Well, I would just like from here, I'd like to point out.

594
00:35:14,622 --> 00:35:19,382
So there were three top posts this week for Stacker News Live, and two of them were Jason B's.

595
00:35:20,522 --> 00:35:21,242
Shooter, shoot.

596
00:35:21,482 --> 00:35:22,622
He's shooting.

597
00:35:23,362 --> 00:35:24,122
He's making it.

598
00:35:24,362 --> 00:35:24,962
That's awesome.

599
00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:27,862
And we're glad to hear everything you're doing out there, Jason B.

600
00:35:27,982 --> 00:35:32,502
So actually, this is a really, I mean, this is another good, like, if you're using lightning,

601
00:35:32,722 --> 00:35:43,902
you should probably read this post in case you're, like, not being careful because his wife accidentally found this way to scam somebody.

602
00:35:44,622 --> 00:35:45,082
Really?

603
00:35:46,422 --> 00:35:51,242
So he gets into it further down.

604
00:35:51,542 --> 00:35:51,882
Okay.

605
00:35:52,582 --> 00:35:53,342
The actual.

606
00:35:53,802 --> 00:35:55,002
Oh, the problem, right?

607
00:35:55,142 --> 00:35:55,562
Yeah.

608
00:35:55,942 --> 00:36:01,342
Well, the merchant accepted a lightning payment via, I think, a lightning address.

609
00:36:01,682 --> 00:36:02,922
It's basically like a static code.

610
00:36:03,542 --> 00:36:07,442
And the way that the merchant confirms that you've paid is you show them your phone.

611
00:36:08,502 --> 00:36:08,742
Oh.

612
00:36:08,942 --> 00:36:09,202
Yeah.

613
00:36:09,522 --> 00:36:10,262
And so.

614
00:36:10,302 --> 00:36:11,122
Oh, they pay it.

615
00:36:11,282 --> 00:36:11,402
Yeah.

616
00:36:11,402 --> 00:36:12,062
Hey, I paid.

617
00:36:12,382 --> 00:36:13,562
Here's a green check.

618
00:36:13,562 --> 00:36:15,002
It's called a Satoshi green screen.

619
00:36:15,322 --> 00:36:16,362
Yeah, it was a green screen.

620
00:36:16,602 --> 00:36:21,182
And it says, in this case, it was 100 rand, I think, is what they call their money there.

621
00:36:21,182 --> 00:36:24,662
And his wife only paid 100 sats.

622
00:36:25,242 --> 00:36:31,542
But the merchant didn't really check the unit or anything and just kind of said, great.

623
00:36:31,542 --> 00:36:32,382
Just saw the green check.

624
00:36:32,462 --> 00:36:34,702
But 100 rand is like 5,000 sats.

625
00:36:34,982 --> 00:36:37,502
So she underpaid by quite a bit.

626
00:36:38,282 --> 00:36:42,382
And then she later, she realized it and she gave him the rest of the money.

627
00:36:42,382 --> 00:36:49,322
but um so he gives a good explanation about like using a lightning address for payments you should

628
00:36:49,322 --> 00:36:54,962
send an invoice yes if you are a merchant you want to display an invoice and then so you can confirm

629
00:36:54,962 --> 00:36:59,882
on your end that it was paid i mean the merchant could have also looked at his own phone right

630
00:36:59,882 --> 00:37:04,622
whatever wallet is using to receive the lightning payment too and been like oh that's not enough

631
00:37:04,622 --> 00:37:10,362
right um but i think there's it's like a high trust environment too is the other thing he

632
00:37:10,362 --> 00:37:15,842
indicates but it's a nice point about it is an honest mistake too yeah it was his wife isn't

633
00:37:15,842 --> 00:37:22,042
actually a scammer i mean maybe she is and in this case it sounds like she's maybe learned her

634
00:37:22,042 --> 00:37:28,002
learned her mistakes and refunded the money um have you ever been in this situation before i was

635
00:37:28,002 --> 00:37:37,942
just trying to think um i don't think so uh i've used phoenix a lot for um just like transacting

636
00:37:37,942 --> 00:37:44,042
in person like selling stuff um and that's creating an invoice so i pretty much do that

637
00:37:44,042 --> 00:37:49,842
every time i feel like when i used to use lnurl back in the day keon like 21 22 yeah i ran into

638
00:37:49,842 --> 00:37:55,602
this problem a lot like people would say oh i paid you and i would be like no you did it oh yeah

639
00:37:55,602 --> 00:38:01,602
lnurl i remember there was a i don't want to say who it was but there was a famous bitcoin author

640
00:38:01,602 --> 00:38:05,562
who was here at Bitcoin Commons back when it was called that.

641
00:38:06,302 --> 00:38:08,722
And he was selling his book.

642
00:38:09,242 --> 00:38:12,522
And he printed out Bolt 11 invoices on a sheet of paper.

643
00:38:13,822 --> 00:38:17,982
And they're one-time use of Bolt 11.

644
00:38:18,502 --> 00:38:19,822
And so someone paid it.

645
00:38:20,102 --> 00:38:25,462
And then everyone else who came up and tried to pay it really couldn't pay it.

646
00:38:25,682 --> 00:38:27,522
But I think they still told them that they paid it.

647
00:38:27,742 --> 00:38:30,382
And then they ended up giving out a bunch of books for free.

648
00:38:30,382 --> 00:38:31,382
I heard.

649
00:38:31,602 --> 00:38:36,042
yeah that's a bummer have i ever done anything like that i don't think i've ever done anything

650
00:38:36,042 --> 00:38:42,922
like that to be honest yeah so that's cool but too bad yeah i think i think that's back to the other

651
00:38:42,922 --> 00:38:50,182
back to the other post i think i think lightning is lightning scales in a way that is sort of

652
00:38:50,182 --> 00:38:55,342
orthogonal or quite different than the way that most people interact with on chain so a lot like

653
00:38:55,342 --> 00:39:05,242
If you encounter a lot of older Bitcoiners, OGs, like pre-2020 Bitcoiners, most of them hate Lightning because the UX is so different.

654
00:39:05,362 --> 00:39:08,022
But they're super comfortable with on-chain.

655
00:39:08,022 --> 00:39:19,162
And so I think that's another reason why a lot of these guys like ARK is because the UX is more similar to on-chain UX because it's sort of side-chain-y, sort of.

656
00:39:19,702 --> 00:39:23,022
You have UTXOs, but they call them VTXOs.

657
00:39:23,022 --> 00:39:31,122
um and so yeah the ux for lightning is tricky uh it's still early i mean it'll get there i'm not

658
00:39:31,122 --> 00:39:37,302
worried about lightning it's um it's fantastic but whenever i can like successfully like

659
00:39:37,302 --> 00:39:43,862
run like do the whole flow for a payment in front of somebody and it's just fine and it works

660
00:39:43,862 --> 00:39:50,482
it makes me feel like a wizard that's cool maybe you are wouldn't that be weren't you a witch though

661
00:39:50,482 --> 00:39:51,982
I mean, you're definitely more...

662
00:39:51,982 --> 00:39:52,922
Female wizards.

663
00:39:53,222 --> 00:39:53,422
Yeah.

664
00:39:53,542 --> 00:39:57,582
You're definitely more technical than you've ever been, I would say, for sure, since I've

665
00:39:57,582 --> 00:39:57,882
known you.

666
00:39:58,102 --> 00:39:59,322
Yeah, more than I've ever been, that's true.

667
00:39:59,322 --> 00:39:59,402
Yeah.

668
00:39:59,802 --> 00:40:00,902
Because I learn every day.

669
00:40:01,142 --> 00:40:02,722
And then you're compounding that.

670
00:40:02,882 --> 00:40:04,562
You just got to keep learning.

671
00:40:05,882 --> 00:40:06,442
Yeah, I think so.

672
00:40:06,482 --> 00:40:09,382
I think that's the most important thing is just keep studying.

673
00:40:09,762 --> 00:40:10,122
What's that?

674
00:40:10,142 --> 00:40:12,242
Keep hanging around people that are smarter than you.

675
00:40:12,542 --> 00:40:12,942
What's that?

676
00:40:12,942 --> 00:40:13,542
That sort of thing.

677
00:40:13,562 --> 00:40:14,062
The more you know.

678
00:40:15,042 --> 00:40:15,962
That's what that is?

679
00:40:15,962 --> 00:40:16,302
Yeah.

680
00:40:16,582 --> 00:40:20,322
It was a popular thing in the 90s where they would do a campaign about learning.

681
00:40:20,482 --> 00:40:21,782
Do you guys know this one?

682
00:40:23,282 --> 00:40:23,682
Square.

683
00:40:24,042 --> 00:40:25,542
Oh, is that a rainbow?

684
00:40:25,742 --> 00:40:26,042
Reading rainbow?

685
00:40:26,062 --> 00:40:26,262
Yeah.

686
00:40:26,402 --> 00:40:27,322
Well, it's SpongeBob.

687
00:40:28,302 --> 00:40:28,742
Imagination.

688
00:40:29,202 --> 00:40:29,422
No.

689
00:40:29,862 --> 00:40:30,122
Okay.

690
00:40:30,442 --> 00:40:31,522
That must be a Gen Z thing.

691
00:40:32,642 --> 00:40:33,322
I'm not Gen Z.

692
00:40:33,522 --> 00:40:34,082
Oh, you're not?

693
00:40:34,622 --> 00:40:34,782
No.

694
00:40:34,942 --> 00:40:36,862
She's just outside the age?

695
00:40:37,342 --> 00:40:38,122
I am.

696
00:40:38,582 --> 00:40:39,142
Oh, interesting.

697
00:40:39,342 --> 00:40:40,062
I'm ageless.

698
00:40:40,922 --> 00:40:41,382
There you go.

699
00:40:42,242 --> 00:40:43,922
That's all the top stories this week.

700
00:40:44,222 --> 00:40:44,842
I'm a wizard.

701
00:40:45,222 --> 00:40:46,722
Looks like there's more stuff in the comments.

702
00:40:47,662 --> 00:40:48,382
You guys should check it out.

703
00:40:48,382 --> 00:40:52,362
It looks like Darth posted some stuff and Jason B posted some stuff that merchants could use.

704
00:40:53,122 --> 00:40:54,242
Definitely check it out.

705
00:40:54,582 --> 00:40:56,662
We're going to jump into our posts now.

706
00:40:57,282 --> 00:40:59,042
First, AI Bitcoin.

707
00:40:59,262 --> 00:41:00,742
There was no optimism.

708
00:41:01,022 --> 00:41:02,362
Didn't do a weekly one.

709
00:41:02,602 --> 00:41:03,282
Optimism is sick, I guess.

710
00:41:03,502 --> 00:41:03,882
Oh, no.

711
00:41:03,982 --> 00:41:04,642
Hopefully it's okay.

712
00:41:04,642 --> 00:41:07,102
Get well soon.

713
00:41:07,122 --> 00:41:07,822
Get well soon.

714
00:41:08,102 --> 00:41:08,542
Optimism.

715
00:41:09,822 --> 00:41:12,842
And have optimism for getting well.

716
00:41:13,342 --> 00:41:13,702
Yeah.

717
00:41:13,782 --> 00:41:16,902
I just wanted to share this because I think this is really interesting.

718
00:41:16,902 --> 00:41:20,842
that was in the AI territory.

719
00:41:21,442 --> 00:41:26,082
We were talking about the copyright burdens with LLMs,

720
00:41:26,262 --> 00:41:28,082
and it's a deep dive, obviously.

721
00:41:29,082 --> 00:41:30,762
I'm not going to go through all this,

722
00:41:30,862 --> 00:41:33,602
but what I did find kind of interesting

723
00:41:33,602 --> 00:41:35,602
is while all this is going on,

724
00:41:36,142 --> 00:41:39,142
talking about where does the copyright happen

725
00:41:39,142 --> 00:41:41,242
and when does it take place?

726
00:41:41,282 --> 00:41:44,862
Does it take place at the time of the copyright

727
00:41:44,862 --> 00:41:47,262
when it's like downstream or upstream?

728
00:41:47,762 --> 00:41:49,902
Or like, is there some financial engineering

729
00:41:49,902 --> 00:41:51,722
that has to happen for the distributor

730
00:41:51,722 --> 00:41:53,142
or the owner of the copyright?

731
00:41:53,882 --> 00:41:55,662
I know we've talked about this key on in the past

732
00:41:55,662 --> 00:41:57,502
where you're like, it's not gonna be able to do it.

733
00:41:57,522 --> 00:41:58,062
They're scraping.

734
00:41:58,882 --> 00:42:01,722
And so this week, Bloomberg's been releasing

735
00:42:01,722 --> 00:42:04,682
a ton of videos that I've been trying to just watch them all

736
00:42:04,682 --> 00:42:06,122
because there's just so much alpha in there.

737
00:42:07,362 --> 00:42:09,222
And they've been talking to a lot of media companies

738
00:42:09,222 --> 00:42:09,702
about this.

739
00:42:09,882 --> 00:42:11,122
And one particular video,

740
00:42:11,242 --> 00:42:12,722
hopefully we don't get this like blocked,

741
00:42:12,722 --> 00:42:15,402
is from Warner Music's new CEO

742
00:42:15,402 --> 00:42:17,382
talking about like AI

743
00:42:17,382 --> 00:42:18,922
and about copyright and stuff like this.

744
00:42:18,942 --> 00:42:19,722
And I think it's fascinating

745
00:42:19,722 --> 00:42:20,602
for the Snackers to hear,

746
00:42:20,682 --> 00:42:21,142
but check it out.

747
00:42:22,342 --> 00:42:25,722
Our strategy around this is three L's.

748
00:42:26,462 --> 00:42:29,262
License, legislate, and litigate.

749
00:42:29,802 --> 00:42:31,222
In that order, preferably.

750
00:42:31,762 --> 00:42:33,122
Doesn't always happen that way.

751
00:42:33,642 --> 00:42:35,182
Sometimes, you know, they get mixed up.

752
00:42:35,502 --> 00:42:36,562
But those three are important.

753
00:42:36,842 --> 00:42:38,122
We always prefer to license

754
00:42:38,122 --> 00:42:40,882
if we can set up the right...

755
00:42:40,882 --> 00:42:41,642
See, Brian Lipbaum?

756
00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:43,642
And then of course licensing is amazing.

757
00:42:43,642 --> 00:42:45,642
So the music industry probably shining, eh?

758
00:42:45,642 --> 00:42:47,642
A little lip station.

759
00:42:47,642 --> 00:42:51,642
Lip station is important because if you don't have the right construct, then it's really

760
00:42:51,642 --> 00:42:53,642
hard to do licensing agreements.

761
00:42:53,642 --> 00:42:55,642
And litigators, everything else fits.

762
00:42:55,642 --> 00:42:57,642
So but sometimes it's upside down.

763
00:42:57,642 --> 00:42:59,642
Lips are looking wet, Dick.

764
00:42:59,642 --> 00:43:03,642
So what, in terms of licensing, what does a good AI licensing deal look like?

765
00:43:03,642 --> 00:43:04,642
So what?

766
00:43:04,642 --> 00:43:06,642
What is most important to a company like this?

767
00:43:06,642 --> 00:43:07,642
What are you going to do about it?

768
00:43:07,642 --> 00:43:11,882
The best way to think about it is, well, you have to think about a couple things.

769
00:43:11,882 --> 00:43:16,522
One, which is you have to think about the input and then you think about the outputs.

770
00:43:16,522 --> 00:43:19,322
On the input side, it's for training.

771
00:43:19,322 --> 00:43:23,882
We maintain that if you want to train on our content, you have to license it, which is

772
00:43:23,882 --> 00:43:27,402
a source of our lawsuits, then you have to license it.

773
00:43:27,402 --> 00:43:31,962
And it seems like most of the AI companies, whether it's pseudo-media or open AI, do not

774
00:43:31,962 --> 00:43:32,962
feel that way.

775
00:43:32,962 --> 00:43:36,962
Yeah, we'll see how it works out.

776
00:43:36,962 --> 00:43:46,962
that is the point but we believe that it is absolutely and we've maintained that that is the right way forward.

777
00:43:46,962 --> 00:43:57,962
So that's on the input side. On the output side there's two different types. One when the music is sort of generic so it's not recognizable by any artist.

778
00:43:57,962 --> 00:44:05,962
There's no name, likeness and voice implicate in any way so it's more like generic music. But it's based on training on our content.

779
00:44:05,962 --> 00:44:08,962
So for us, that's a new revenue stream.

780
00:44:08,962 --> 00:44:12,962
Then there's the type of music that implicates

781
00:44:12,962 --> 00:44:16,962
the initial icon and voice, and that is very much similar to how

782
00:44:16,962 --> 00:44:20,962
UGC worked, and I think there are constructs for it, obviously,

783
00:44:20,962 --> 00:44:24,962
to change a little bit, but we can copy a lot of that.

784
00:44:24,962 --> 00:44:28,962
And so you think that AI music rather than replace,

785
00:44:28,962 --> 00:44:31,962
I mean, you think that AI will expand the pie rather than

786
00:44:31,962 --> 00:44:33,962
replacing some of what you already have?

787
00:44:33,962 --> 00:44:38,702
people are choosing to listen to AI music doesn't mean they're not listening to editing so I won't

788
00:44:38,702 --> 00:44:44,382
play the whole thing but uh it's fascinating the way he he talks about like AI and about how they

789
00:44:44,382 --> 00:44:50,142
see it um what's and why this is important is because like we've we've been covering like the

790
00:44:50,142 --> 00:44:55,202
music apps and we've been playing them on the show and stuff and as you know Keon like just

791
00:44:55,202 --> 00:45:00,322
music's always the first first technology through the door that gets all the bullets I know that's

792
00:45:00,322 --> 00:45:07,362
what you say about music i believe that music is always the first thing through the door that

793
00:45:07,362 --> 00:45:14,622
takes all the bullets and plays plays a copyright game with new technology and um you can tell he's

794
00:45:14,622 --> 00:45:21,522
just like totally this is what we're gonna do this is a strategy let's go uh what's fascinating

795
00:45:21,522 --> 00:45:26,762
about it did you see the second part that he said that even the image the likeness and the thing

796
00:45:26,762 --> 00:45:32,542
about that that they also want to double dip on that too as well even on the output i was distracted

797
00:45:32,542 --> 00:45:36,422
by his lips okay yeah i thought that was fascinating so he's like basically saying

798
00:45:36,422 --> 00:45:41,642
that now we're not only we're going to grab the licensing for the input um but we're going to grab

799
00:45:41,642 --> 00:45:45,822
the output licensing as well so he's basically calling them their artists at the as well too

800
00:45:45,822 --> 00:45:55,102
so it's like wow it's um yeah well it's changing huh well it's just fascinating that uh i want to

801
00:45:55,102 --> 00:46:00,962
see how it plays out this is one to watch yeah pretty cool i suspect this paper has to do with

802
00:46:00,962 --> 00:46:07,662
the paywalls and everything it looks like they're they're based they're basically contending that

803
00:46:07,662 --> 00:46:14,462
we can extract all the knowledge from these scholarly texts which are often behind paywalls

804
00:46:14,462 --> 00:46:19,182
often you have to pay very expensive journal subscription fees to get access to this information

805
00:46:19,182 --> 00:46:35,702
But if we feed it into AI and it just takes the insights out of the paper, like the scientific factual stuff out, then there's maybe no copyright litigation that you have to be concerned about if you do it that way.

806
00:46:36,442 --> 00:46:37,202
It's kind of cool.

807
00:46:37,302 --> 00:46:38,602
What's the guy who?

808
00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:40,582
Yeah, if you put his framework to place then.

809
00:46:40,602 --> 00:46:41,702
Aaron Schwartz type of thing.

810
00:46:41,702 --> 00:46:51,422
Well, if you put his framework to place, then you're paying in perpetuity on the other side of that, on the output, irregardless because you have to pay in on the input.

811
00:46:52,642 --> 00:46:59,022
If you're thinking of the framework that that guy is saying, which is kind of fascinating because I never thought of it like that.

812
00:46:59,102 --> 00:46:59,902
I was shocked.

813
00:47:00,422 --> 00:47:04,182
But all I'm saying is there's a ton of stuff that's being talked about right now in Bloomberg.

814
00:47:04,382 --> 00:47:07,762
Check out the YouTube channel because it's like they're all talking about AI.

815
00:47:07,762 --> 00:47:11,442
It's like the music industry, the movie industry, like everything.

816
00:47:11,702 --> 00:47:14,622
So I haven't finished all the videos yet,

817
00:47:14,702 --> 00:47:17,082
but I'm finding it really fascinating.

818
00:47:18,582 --> 00:47:19,602
You got any thoughts?

819
00:47:20,282 --> 00:47:21,502
Pleb poet, you're a creative person.

820
00:47:21,622 --> 00:47:24,122
When you hear something like this coming from a edit from a...

821
00:47:24,122 --> 00:47:26,402
Yeah, what if we create pleb AI by poet AI?

822
00:47:26,742 --> 00:47:28,702
What do you think about this when you...

823
00:47:28,702 --> 00:47:31,822
Are you got a gummy stuck in your mouth?

824
00:47:31,842 --> 00:47:32,482
That's what it makes me do.

825
00:47:33,002 --> 00:47:33,602
Oh, you're bored?

826
00:47:34,242 --> 00:47:34,842
A little bit.

827
00:47:35,762 --> 00:47:35,982
Yeah.

828
00:47:36,502 --> 00:47:38,222
But what was the end of your question?

829
00:47:38,602 --> 00:47:40,902
I guess like what do you think about as a creative person?

830
00:47:40,902 --> 00:47:44,102
do you get worried that people are going to

831
00:47:44,102 --> 00:47:49,382
take your stuff and then sell it

832
00:47:49,382 --> 00:47:50,462
and then repurpose it?

833
00:47:50,462 --> 00:47:52,042
Are you going to sue when someone creates stuff?

834
00:47:52,042 --> 00:47:55,302
Would you get upset if somebody made a

835
00:47:55,302 --> 00:47:58,022
I don't know, like a poet AI

836
00:47:58,022 --> 00:48:02,442
and took all your poets, all your zines, all your stuff

837
00:48:02,442 --> 00:48:05,262
took your name, likeness and everything

838
00:48:05,262 --> 00:48:08,522
put all that in a thing and then on the output side

839
00:48:08,522 --> 00:48:09,802
made a ton of money on your thing

840
00:48:09,802 --> 00:48:22,662
would you be like yo um would you be kind of like if my plan doesn't work out and i don't have any

841
00:48:22,662 --> 00:48:29,182
money then i'll be mad but if i'm cooling and i have my ranch and stuff then i'll be like

842
00:48:29,182 --> 00:48:36,502
all right so if you're like you're like drake you're like not worried i'm not really worried

843
00:48:36,502 --> 00:48:44,262
but i mean i don't like i don't like ai i'm not gonna use it yeah for sure as long as i can

844
00:48:44,262 --> 00:48:53,942
um cool anyways but it is learning about me isn't it no doubt it will use you yeah it'll use me

845
00:48:53,942 --> 00:49:00,502
and i don't consent to it so yeah we are gonna fight probably someday the other thing i wanted

846
00:49:00,502 --> 00:49:05,742
to bring up uh was this is from uh the same we're talking about yeah bitcoin stuff so this is the

847
00:49:05,742 --> 00:49:12,242
other one is from tony uh zero comments uh got a lot that 300 sets uh the ai diffusion report so

848
00:49:12,242 --> 00:49:19,222
this came out um and this is a graph of a sort keon what do you think about this graph i can't

849
00:49:19,222 --> 00:49:25,462
really see the graph because it's covered um but other people here let me uh you can you can

850
00:49:25,462 --> 00:49:32,842
knock me out for a second real quick yeah knock me out oh no she's gone is she still there though

851
00:49:32,842 --> 00:49:38,602
what do you think about that and then you can i can't remove us because we're stuck on there

852
00:49:38,602 --> 00:49:45,842
unfortunately yeah uh okay so yeah so artificial intelligence is uh has a lot of users basically

853
00:49:45,842 --> 00:49:50,742
is what it's saying yeah it's growing fast the adoption rate is high bitcoins is like probably

854
00:49:50,742 --> 00:49:57,902
i mean people claim it's like the internet so it's like that slow um and it does look the internet

855
00:49:57,902 --> 00:50:00,462
That looks really slow compared to AI, even smartphones.

856
00:50:01,422 --> 00:50:01,742
Hey.

857
00:50:02,262 --> 00:50:05,402
But, I mean, on this side, it says 25 years.

858
00:50:05,502 --> 00:50:07,022
This bottom line is 25 years.

859
00:50:07,382 --> 00:50:07,662
Okay.

860
00:50:09,802 --> 00:50:11,002
That's pretty scary, man.

861
00:50:11,122 --> 00:50:11,862
Like, look at it.

862
00:50:11,862 --> 00:50:12,842
So, right here, you can see it.

863
00:50:13,322 --> 00:50:14,222
That's kind of scary.

864
00:50:14,662 --> 00:50:17,162
Like, 25 years, and they're already at 40%.

865
00:50:17,162 --> 00:50:19,622
That's wild.

866
00:50:20,742 --> 00:50:23,962
And we're like, yeah, we haven't even got to the robotics stuff yet.

867
00:50:24,222 --> 00:50:25,822
I would guess it's going to.

868
00:50:25,882 --> 00:50:27,342
Or the spatial computing stuff yet.

869
00:50:27,342 --> 00:50:28,902
It's going to slow down.

870
00:50:29,082 --> 00:50:31,362
I would guess it's not going to completely saturate.

871
00:50:31,802 --> 00:50:33,162
You think it's going to saturate?

872
00:50:33,462 --> 00:50:35,762
No, I think it's going to go parabolic.

873
00:50:36,062 --> 00:50:36,942
It looks like, what is that?

874
00:50:37,042 --> 00:50:42,922
Does that rate cell phones look like they kind of just went straight up once they started climbing?

875
00:50:43,522 --> 00:50:48,582
I feel like the diffusion of AI stuff might be taper.

876
00:50:48,882 --> 00:50:51,922
Might be more like the smartphone where you have a dramatic early rise.

877
00:50:51,922 --> 00:50:59,322
and then so the other thing that maybe good goes to that is this so the whole world hasn't adopted

878
00:50:59,322 --> 00:51:06,222
yet so that's that's one thing who's the biggest adopter uh looks like it's is that canada really

879
00:51:06,222 --> 00:51:14,622
um the darker blue is better yeah so ireland it looks like norway it's probably because of data

880
00:51:14,622 --> 00:51:25,684
data centers john still human did we meet the real john or it probably just data centers because it all the way up north oh okay yeah um and then yeah it looks like maybe friends

881
00:51:25,684 --> 00:51:30,944
what are those bros doing yeah that's kind of interesting right

882
00:51:30,944 --> 00:51:37,864
building something real talk building something um and then it looks like we have what's this one

883
00:51:37,864 --> 00:51:42,884
over here on the far right what's that it's not cuba is it no what's this one over here called

884
00:51:42,884 --> 00:51:47,044
this one now according to uh that's australia there

885
00:51:47,044 --> 00:51:54,584
it's uh it's australia but there's like where cuba is there's like a blue spot and i don't know

886
00:51:54,584 --> 00:51:59,844
if that's actually cuba because cuba looks red but what's on the other side of cuba i feel like

887
00:51:59,844 --> 00:52:10,264
jamaica is that blue yeah okay could be costa rica who knows anyways costa rica's on an island

888
00:52:10,264 --> 00:52:12,724
am i supposed to say cuba or cuba

889
00:52:12,884 --> 00:52:13,604
I don't know.

890
00:52:13,684 --> 00:52:14,024
I'm not kidding.

891
00:52:14,124 --> 00:52:14,244
Gooba.

892
00:52:15,604 --> 00:52:16,524
I like that.

893
00:52:16,724 --> 00:52:18,524
Depends on where you are in the United States.

894
00:52:18,644 --> 00:52:20,044
But are you guys not concerned with this?

895
00:52:20,164 --> 00:52:20,924
Are you just not?

896
00:52:21,784 --> 00:52:23,204
Well, what's the concern?

897
00:52:23,844 --> 00:52:24,724
I mean, I'm concerned.

898
00:52:25,044 --> 00:52:27,964
Are you concerned that look at this graph?

899
00:52:28,684 --> 00:52:32,084
That's a troubling graph and exciting at the same time.

900
00:52:32,084 --> 00:52:33,444
Because it's moving so fast?

901
00:52:33,564 --> 00:52:37,864
Maybe I'm a guy and I like numbers and I like seeing things go up to the right.

902
00:52:38,004 --> 00:52:39,904
Maybe that's why I'm really excited about this.

903
00:52:39,904 --> 00:52:41,604
Up to the left, it's growing so fast.

904
00:52:42,884 --> 00:52:44,344
It's not even a Jake.

905
00:52:44,444 --> 00:52:45,224
Look at this, Austin.

906
00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:46,864
Austin will appreciate this.

907
00:52:46,864 --> 00:52:50,424
The user adoption for artificial intelligence is all the way.

908
00:52:51,024 --> 00:52:52,604
And we're not even at 25 years yet.

909
00:52:54,324 --> 00:52:55,624
It's almost artificial.

910
00:52:56,444 --> 00:52:57,004
Whoa.

911
00:52:57,324 --> 00:52:59,444
It's almost artificial how fast it's growing.

912
00:52:59,904 --> 00:53:03,324
It's like number of like global consumers.

913
00:53:03,564 --> 00:53:04,544
Knowledge units.

914
00:53:04,884 --> 00:53:05,024
Yeah.

915
00:53:05,984 --> 00:53:08,224
Adult saturation.

916
00:53:09,664 --> 00:53:09,844
What?

917
00:53:09,904 --> 00:53:10,664
Go back to that chart.

918
00:53:10,804 --> 00:53:11,724
Is Bitcoin on the chart?

919
00:53:12,364 --> 00:53:12,584
No.

920
00:53:12,884 --> 00:53:17,764
yeah and bitcoin's like way slower adoption yeah well people claim it's people claim it's like the

921
00:53:17,764 --> 00:53:23,924
internet yeah it follows the internet curve the thing is like people like to claim it's like the

922
00:53:23,924 --> 00:53:30,964
same thing as the lightning network growth but they look at not number of users number of individual

923
00:53:30,964 --> 00:53:36,644
people with brains and souls but they look at like oh number of servers yeah number of nodes

924
00:53:36,644 --> 00:53:44,584
on the network monetary value yeah yeah which is cool i mean but i mean yeah you you think then

925
00:53:44,584 --> 00:53:50,464
like the way that you get this number for artificial intelligence usage is like every query

926
00:53:50,464 --> 00:53:59,004
that any person makes but users can mean so many things right like we want a real metric like how

927
00:53:59,004 --> 00:54:03,484
many what's the metric how many people are dating artificial intelligence oh yeah i would love to

928
00:54:03,484 --> 00:54:10,124
that that's the graph i want to see that's real yeah i mean what is this based off of like every

929
00:54:10,124 --> 00:54:17,084
shout out to those b re release their anonymized user numbers i don't know but

930
00:54:18,684 --> 00:54:20,284
i thought it was fast this crap

931
00:54:21,644 --> 00:54:23,644
they just get it tattooed yeah

932
00:54:26,284 --> 00:54:32,364
and then you can like update it every year all right well anyways right in the center of your chest

933
00:54:32,364 --> 00:54:39,404
cool that's um that's all the ai stories we're gonna get into wumbles picks wumbles picks

934
00:54:39,404 --> 00:54:48,444
wumbles wumbles wumbles wumbles wumbles wumbles wumbles picks picks wumbles picks this week wumbles

935
00:54:48,444 --> 00:54:55,544
wumbles he doesn't even wumble wumble wumble wants us wumble wants us what i would like you

936
00:54:55,544 --> 00:54:57,724
to discuss this. Wumble wants us to talk about

937
00:54:57,724 --> 00:55:00,324
the B-I-T-C-H-A-T

938
00:55:00,324 --> 00:55:01,404
tutorial demo that

939
00:55:01,404 --> 00:55:03,264
BTC Sessions did. Look who it is.

940
00:55:04,044 --> 00:55:04,444
Oh.

941
00:55:05,264 --> 00:55:06,404
Dude, are they brothers?

942
00:55:07,064 --> 00:55:08,624
What do you mean? Do they look alike?

943
00:55:08,664 --> 00:55:09,944
Yeah, they look pretty close.

944
00:55:10,244 --> 00:55:10,984
I didn't know that.

945
00:55:11,884 --> 00:55:13,224
Have you seen this?

946
00:55:14,744 --> 00:55:15,144
No.

947
00:55:15,744 --> 00:55:17,544
Yes, I watched the video, actually. Oh, you did watch the video?

948
00:55:17,544 --> 00:55:19,464
Yeah, I did it at 2x speed.

949
00:55:20,144 --> 00:55:21,264
And so I got

950
00:55:21,264 --> 00:55:23,684
it pretty good. I skimmed the video,

951
00:55:23,804 --> 00:55:25,484
to be honest. I haven't actually downloaded

952
00:55:25,484 --> 00:55:31,504
bitchat yet have you no i have my own thoughts i have my own thoughts i you know i'll say it but

953
00:55:31,504 --> 00:55:38,784
you go first oh okay yeah well uh so for anyone that doesn't know what bitchat is it's basically

954
00:55:38,784 --> 00:55:45,584
a chat app that allows you to communicate via bluetooth and you can like transitively communicate

955
00:55:45,584 --> 00:55:51,424
via bluetooth but via other people with the bitchat app open on their phone or i think just on their

956
00:55:51,424 --> 00:55:57,504
phone but like if car had if car had bit chatted on iphone and i did and so did uh this one over

957
00:55:57,504 --> 00:56:08,124
here uh car could send a message via my phone over bluetooth to uh jana and then uh he wouldn't need

958
00:56:08,124 --> 00:56:14,564
a direct connection to jana look at her face that face was priced you upset her with the ai stuff

959
00:56:14,564 --> 00:56:18,824
No, she was so bewildered by this stupid app.

960
00:56:19,204 --> 00:56:19,784
But keep going.

961
00:56:20,024 --> 00:56:20,564
This is great.

962
00:56:20,844 --> 00:56:21,384
Anyway, I think.

963
00:56:21,704 --> 00:56:22,364
I like it.

964
00:56:22,684 --> 00:56:23,844
I think the app is pretty cool.

965
00:56:24,084 --> 00:56:24,424
It's got.

966
00:56:24,644 --> 00:56:25,404
No, it looks cool.

967
00:56:25,724 --> 00:56:26,184
It looks cool.

968
00:56:26,304 --> 00:56:27,384
It's tasteful.

969
00:56:27,744 --> 00:56:28,824
I think it's completely.

970
00:56:28,984 --> 00:56:30,144
I think the app is so dumb.

971
00:56:31,484 --> 00:56:32,904
But that's what's nice about it.

972
00:56:32,924 --> 00:56:33,344
It's so dumb.

973
00:56:33,404 --> 00:56:34,444
You can just start using it.

974
00:56:35,484 --> 00:56:35,704
Yeah.

975
00:56:36,024 --> 00:56:37,164
So we're seeing.

976
00:56:37,324 --> 00:56:37,764
We're seeing.

977
00:56:37,944 --> 00:56:39,144
This app makes no sense.

978
00:56:39,504 --> 00:56:40,124
Oh, OK.

979
00:56:40,184 --> 00:56:42,084
Well, you can share your take.

980
00:56:42,144 --> 00:56:43,184
I just wanted to explain a little bit.

981
00:56:43,184 --> 00:56:43,604
All right.

982
00:56:43,664 --> 00:56:44,224
Keep going.

983
00:56:44,304 --> 00:56:44,544
Keep going.

984
00:56:44,564 --> 00:56:49,104
how it works. And I think that Wumbo has picked this so we can. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry.

985
00:56:49,204 --> 00:56:54,684
Yeah. I'm sorry. Wumble. I shot too early. It was developed a Dorsey's motivation for doing this

986
00:56:54,684 --> 00:56:59,524
was, I guess, during protests and stuff, they shut down cell towers and things and the internet

987
00:56:59,524 --> 00:57:03,384
so that people can't really communicate. But if you're at a protest, you're in close proximity to

988
00:57:03,384 --> 00:57:08,384
a lot of people. So you could use your device, which has a Bluetooth antenna to communicate with

989
00:57:08,384 --> 00:57:13,124
other people without using the internet. And you can extend that range further, like through a very

990
00:57:13,124 --> 00:57:20,404
large crowd over a long distance if the density is high enough and everyone is using the app there.

991
00:57:20,564 --> 00:57:29,944
So you can maintain comms without the internet in situations like this. Disasters like natural

992
00:57:29,944 --> 00:57:34,204
disasters is another use case for this where things go down, not because there's an oppressor,

993
00:57:34,264 --> 00:57:41,104
but because, well, the nature is oppressing you. Additionally, so it has a bunch of features around

994
00:57:41,104 --> 00:57:46,944
that but additionally it also lets you communicate over the internet via no star um so you can use

995
00:57:46,944 --> 00:57:53,184
no surrealize uh to communicate with people who like like sort of like a normal chat app

996
00:57:53,184 --> 00:57:56,784
um when you have access to the internet you can communicate with people remotely

997
00:57:57,584 --> 00:58:07,264
yet still there's uh ui and ux around um geography so you can like kind of see you can tell people

998
00:58:07,264 --> 00:58:09,124
where you are and if they're near you,

999
00:58:09,204 --> 00:58:11,764
you can communicate with them even if you're not in Bluetooth range.

1000
00:58:13,564 --> 00:58:17,904
And I think Wombo had a few questions about this, which I...

1001
00:58:17,904 --> 00:58:18,664
Wombo's picks.

1002
00:58:19,364 --> 00:58:19,944
Wombo's picks.

1003
00:58:20,064 --> 00:58:20,504
I do not.

1004
00:58:20,524 --> 00:58:21,404
Are you trying it right now?

1005
00:58:21,884 --> 00:58:22,744
Yeah, I'm doing it.

1006
00:58:22,864 --> 00:58:23,204
Oh, cool.

1007
00:58:23,244 --> 00:58:23,684
There you go.

1008
00:58:23,884 --> 00:58:24,884
It's not going to anybody.

1009
00:58:26,364 --> 00:58:31,384
So Wombo asks, could BitChat grow to replace normal SMS?

1010
00:58:31,384 --> 00:58:41,144
I think, you know, not really any more than like any alternative to SMS could grow to replace SMS.

1011
00:58:41,424 --> 00:58:45,464
It's like signal could signal replace SMS, maybe.

1012
00:58:46,324 --> 00:58:53,244
But I think SMS will always have a place like feature phones, like the cheapest of phones, dumb phones.

1013
00:58:53,244 --> 00:59:00,064
They're using SMS. These protocols are like baked into like the heart at the hardware level of a lot of cell tower technology.

1014
00:59:01,384 --> 00:59:11,144
and so i imagine sms won't go away uh and um but it's an alternative to sms just like signal is

1015
00:59:11,144 --> 00:59:17,604
an alternative to sms or i message or what like google talk or whatever google does i think it'll

1016
00:59:17,604 --> 00:59:24,204
also be good at conferences to use because inside conference halls you get a lot of signal as we

1017
00:59:24,204 --> 00:59:28,844
learned from interruption david bailey he likes to deprive open source developers of internet

1018
00:59:28,844 --> 00:59:31,784
as a way of showing them who's boss.

1019
00:59:34,364 --> 00:59:34,844
Wow.

1020
00:59:35,484 --> 00:59:36,324
Look at that.

1021
00:59:36,384 --> 00:59:36,884
I'm pretty sure that's...

1022
00:59:36,884 --> 00:59:37,964
Am I rubbing off on you?

1023
00:59:38,684 --> 00:59:39,484
I'm kidding.

1024
00:59:40,204 --> 00:59:40,804
No, you're not.

1025
00:59:40,984 --> 00:59:42,764
David Bailey, please send me some Naka

1026
00:59:42,764 --> 00:59:45,544
to my E-Trade account.

1027
00:59:46,404 --> 00:59:47,724
We're just pissing everybody off

1028
00:59:47,724 --> 00:59:49,244
in this particular post, aren't we?

1029
00:59:50,484 --> 00:59:51,724
Okay, and then...

1030
00:59:51,724 --> 00:59:53,424
Did I interrupt you?

1031
00:59:53,504 --> 00:59:53,884
I'm sorry.

1032
00:59:53,884 --> 00:59:54,224
I did.

1033
00:59:54,224 --> 00:59:54,824
No, go for it.

1034
00:59:55,364 --> 00:59:56,544
Pepo, what'd you think about it

1035
00:59:56,544 --> 00:59:57,984
in your first minute using it?

1036
00:59:58,844 --> 01:00:01,384
Well, we used it in Design Club like a couple months ago.

1037
01:00:01,564 --> 01:00:02,084
How was it?

1038
01:00:02,164 --> 01:00:05,904
It was really fun when there's actual people around you using it.

1039
01:00:05,924 --> 01:00:06,444
Oh, wow.

1040
01:00:06,564 --> 01:00:06,744
Amazing.

1041
01:00:06,744 --> 01:00:09,564
And you see it works like magic, like Bluetooth.

1042
01:00:10,044 --> 01:00:12,304
Also, does anybody understand how Bluetooth works?

1043
01:00:12,564 --> 01:00:13,584
Yeah, it's just a radio.

1044
01:00:13,824 --> 01:00:14,064
Yeah.

1045
01:00:14,404 --> 01:00:15,844
It's been using itself as a kid.

1046
01:00:16,364 --> 01:00:17,184
A particular frequency.

1047
01:00:17,184 --> 01:00:17,744
It's amazing.

1048
01:00:17,884 --> 01:00:18,544
Radio wave.

1049
01:00:19,544 --> 01:00:19,764
Okay.

1050
01:00:20,004 --> 01:00:20,244
Yeah.

1051
01:00:20,464 --> 01:00:22,144
It's how Wi-Fi works.

1052
01:00:22,144 --> 01:00:23,664
It's how so many things work.

1053
01:00:23,724 --> 01:00:25,844
You know what my first Bluetooth device was, Keon?

1054
01:00:26,544 --> 01:00:26,724
What?

1055
01:00:26,724 --> 01:00:29,124
I used to write a blog when I was a kid.

1056
01:00:29,744 --> 01:00:36,124
And I convinced HP to send me a portable Bluetooth printer.

1057
01:00:37,324 --> 01:00:37,884
Oh, wow.

1058
01:00:37,904 --> 01:00:38,044
Yeah.

1059
01:00:38,344 --> 01:00:42,024
And I had like a Nokia 3650 because it had Bluetooth on there.

1060
01:00:42,204 --> 01:00:43,784
And then I was able to print from my phone.

1061
01:00:43,924 --> 01:00:45,724
I've been thinking of getting one of those Polaroid printers.

1062
01:00:46,104 --> 01:00:47,184
What did you print?

1063
01:00:48,024 --> 01:00:48,264
Yeah.

1064
01:00:48,564 --> 01:00:51,184
Probably some stupid message my girlfriend sent me or something.

1065
01:00:51,504 --> 01:00:53,924
But anyway, that was like super dorky stuff.

1066
01:00:53,924 --> 01:00:54,764
Was you like sexting?

1067
01:00:54,764 --> 01:00:55,944
Or was it even sexting?

1068
01:00:55,944 --> 01:00:57,244
he was

1069
01:00:57,244 --> 01:00:58,644
zapping

1070
01:00:58,644 --> 01:00:59,424
no

1071
01:00:59,424 --> 01:01:00,644
I was using

1072
01:01:00,644 --> 01:01:01,284
bluetooth the way

1073
01:01:01,284 --> 01:01:01,764
it was intended

1074
01:01:01,764 --> 01:01:03,844
for communicating

1075
01:01:03,844 --> 01:01:04,664
to other devices

1076
01:01:04,664 --> 01:01:05,324
yeah

1077
01:01:05,324 --> 01:01:06,104
with the means

1078
01:01:06,104 --> 01:01:06,684
of transporting

1079
01:01:06,684 --> 01:01:07,024
stuff

1080
01:01:07,024 --> 01:01:07,364
oh yeah

1081
01:01:07,364 --> 01:01:08,224
means of transport

1082
01:01:08,224 --> 01:01:08,624
yeah

1083
01:01:08,624 --> 01:01:09,644
anyways

1084
01:01:09,644 --> 01:01:10,984
pretty cool stuff

1085
01:01:10,984 --> 01:01:11,624
there was another

1086
01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:12,564
well Wombo has

1087
01:01:12,564 --> 01:01:13,204
other questions

1088
01:01:13,204 --> 01:01:15,704
for Wombo's

1089
01:01:15,704 --> 01:01:16,324
picks Wombo

1090
01:01:16,324 --> 01:01:17,044
I would like

1091
01:01:17,044 --> 01:01:18,024
you to have

1092
01:01:18,024 --> 01:01:18,404
these questions

1093
01:01:18,404 --> 01:01:18,764
we can just

1094
01:01:18,764 --> 01:01:19,364
answer the questions

1095
01:01:19,364 --> 01:01:19,884
I think that

1096
01:01:19,884 --> 01:01:20,844
helps me structure

1097
01:01:20,844 --> 01:01:22,124
talking about them

1098
01:01:22,124 --> 01:01:23,724
is this only good

1099
01:01:23,724 --> 01:01:24,464
for high threat

1100
01:01:24,464 --> 01:01:25,004
environments

1101
01:01:25,004 --> 01:01:25,624
protesting

1102
01:01:25,624 --> 01:01:27,184
any day-to-day uses.

1103
01:01:28,464 --> 01:01:31,724
I think it's mostly good for high-threat environments.

1104
01:01:32,084 --> 01:01:33,944
And so if I were working on the app,

1105
01:01:34,024 --> 01:01:37,924
I wouldn't even bother trying to adapt it

1106
01:01:37,924 --> 01:01:38,824
for other use cases.

1107
01:01:39,524 --> 01:01:42,144
I think that's where this app gets actually really confusing

1108
01:01:42,144 --> 01:01:43,904
is that I can go on the internet and use it.

1109
01:01:44,364 --> 01:01:44,984
But conferences.

1110
01:01:46,064 --> 01:01:49,504
Yeah, but no, I don't want it to have Wi-Fi connectivity.

1111
01:01:49,744 --> 01:01:51,344
I don't want it to try to be signal,

1112
01:01:51,544 --> 01:01:53,464
but you can also use Bluetooth with it.

1113
01:01:53,584 --> 01:01:54,724
I just want it to do Bluetooth.

1114
01:01:54,724 --> 01:01:59,124
This is the app I have in case of an urgency type situation.

1115
01:02:00,944 --> 01:02:02,364
I like that better.

1116
01:02:02,524 --> 01:02:15,904
But yeah, I think you can probably imagine them becoming a sort of signal competitor with Bluetooth or like white noise, adding this kind of feature to it or them adapting white noise's library for encrypted messaging.

1117
01:02:16,744 --> 01:02:18,724
It's very, very distant.

1118
01:02:19,804 --> 01:02:22,164
It's too early to say what it will become.

1119
01:02:22,164 --> 01:02:25,384
What if users got paid in Sats to forward messages?

1120
01:02:27,104 --> 01:02:29,704
Would people run like BitChat relays?

1121
01:02:30,504 --> 01:02:31,844
Yeah, maybe they would.

1122
01:02:32,124 --> 01:02:33,204
I think that'd be kind of cool.

1123
01:02:33,464 --> 01:02:36,744
Although I don't think people like using Bitcoin or spending it.

1124
01:02:37,644 --> 01:02:40,544
So that's maybe the biggest problem with that.

1125
01:02:40,544 --> 01:02:51,644
But yes, if you can design a system with incentives and people actually use it, then yeah, you can expect the network to.

1126
01:02:52,164 --> 01:02:56,444
grow as a result of having incentives grow.

1127
01:02:58,404 --> 01:03:00,724
What would that, oh, that's it.

1128
01:03:00,804 --> 01:03:02,624
I think those are all of Wombo's questions.

1129
01:03:03,164 --> 01:03:03,744
Hold on.

1130
01:03:05,084 --> 01:03:05,904
Wombo's picks.

1131
01:03:06,644 --> 01:03:07,564
Wombo's picks, yeah.

1132
01:03:08,184 --> 01:03:08,664
That's great.

1133
01:03:08,784 --> 01:03:09,564
Put Carr to sleep.

1134
01:03:09,924 --> 01:03:12,444
He's, Carr isn't a big fan of Dorsey.

1135
01:03:12,564 --> 01:03:13,044
I don't know if you guys.

1136
01:03:13,044 --> 01:03:14,744
No, no, I'm a big fan of him.

1137
01:03:14,864 --> 01:03:15,284
I mean.

1138
01:03:15,284 --> 01:03:16,504
Like Bailey Dorsey.

1139
01:03:16,704 --> 01:03:17,824
Oh, I'm a big fan of him.

1140
01:03:17,924 --> 01:03:20,664
I just think, like, go ahead, go ahead, Plotpoet.

1141
01:03:20,704 --> 01:03:21,024
I'm sorry.

1142
01:03:21,124 --> 01:03:21,744
Plotpoet's got a picture.

1143
01:03:21,744 --> 01:03:24,064
She's trying to say something for the longest time, and I keep it.

1144
01:03:24,124 --> 01:03:25,124
She still has a locker somehow.

1145
01:03:25,744 --> 01:03:29,244
She's like full adult, but she still has a locker with a picture of Dorsey.

1146
01:03:32,724 --> 01:03:35,124
I'm more of a Dorsey fan than anybody else here,

1147
01:03:35,864 --> 01:03:37,904
and that's all that you were demonstrating,

1148
01:03:38,084 --> 01:03:39,524
so thank you for saying it for me.

1149
01:03:39,784 --> 01:03:41,364
Yeah, but do you use his music?

1150
01:03:41,764 --> 01:03:42,444
Do you use Tidal?

1151
01:03:42,584 --> 01:03:43,384
I don't use Tidal.

1152
01:03:43,384 --> 01:03:46,064
Oh, how big of a fan are you if you don't use Tidal?

1153
01:03:46,064 --> 01:03:49,544
yeah probably

1154
01:03:49,544 --> 01:03:53,784
probably not high up on the list of biggest fans

1155
01:03:53,784 --> 01:04:07,264
yeah silence says it all so you have nothing then yep all right well i kind of wanted to say

1156
01:04:07,264 --> 01:04:11,224
something oh you should go for it now now one of those picks is over we cut we cut it already we

1157
01:04:11,224 --> 01:04:17,884
It seems like no one wants me to give my opinion because they're afraid to make Dorsey upset, which is kind of weird.

1158
01:04:19,044 --> 01:04:22,224
I want you to have like a well-rounded opinion, though.

1159
01:04:22,304 --> 01:04:23,164
I'd like to make it.

1160
01:04:23,164 --> 01:04:24,424
That's like worth hearing.

1161
01:04:24,824 --> 01:04:25,984
I think I actually do, though.

1162
01:04:26,304 --> 01:04:27,224
Oh, let's do it.

1163
01:04:27,624 --> 01:04:28,744
Let's make Dorsey upset.

1164
01:04:29,024 --> 01:04:29,584
I think the video.

1165
01:04:29,684 --> 01:04:30,824
I'm not trying to make him upset.

1166
01:04:30,964 --> 01:04:31,944
Just constructive criticism.

1167
01:04:32,444 --> 01:04:33,624
I think the video is amazing.

1168
01:04:33,724 --> 01:04:35,424
I think BTC Sessions did an amazing job.

1169
01:04:35,424 --> 01:04:41,704
I think when you're thinking adversarily about these types of apps, you're not going to go to your phone.

1170
01:04:42,484 --> 01:04:47,584
In a crisis scenario, you're going to stick to what works best.

1171
01:04:48,164 --> 01:04:49,244
And that's like ham radio.

1172
01:04:49,424 --> 01:04:51,084
That's like walkie talkies and stuff like that.

1173
01:04:51,324 --> 01:04:55,504
And on Amazon, you can get one for like 35 bucks that has a ham radio built in.

1174
01:04:56,144 --> 01:05:04,844
And in a crisis scenario, you're going to have one basically, for Bitcoiners speak, you have one node disseminating the information to everybody in a group.

1175
01:05:05,424 --> 01:05:08,224
And you only need one person with that type of device.

1176
01:05:08,664 --> 01:05:11,704
And then that information gets sent across everybody, right?

1177
01:05:12,464 --> 01:05:15,324
And that's the only reason to use something like this.

1178
01:05:15,804 --> 01:05:17,884
I think the conference stuff doesn't make sense.

1179
01:05:17,944 --> 01:05:18,744
You can just use Signal.

1180
01:05:19,304 --> 01:05:20,724
All the other stuff doesn't make sense.

1181
01:05:20,844 --> 01:05:21,364
But the internet is there.

1182
01:05:21,364 --> 01:05:27,284
So for me, the only thing when I see something like this, it just, it screams, it's very spooky.

1183
01:05:27,804 --> 01:05:30,364
Because it just requires installs.

1184
01:05:30,984 --> 01:05:32,244
It requires all this kind of stuff.

1185
01:05:32,244 --> 01:05:37,404
and it just kind of just it's a very spooky type of app for me and i i'm just thinking always

1186
01:05:37,404 --> 01:05:42,224
adversarily especially in these type of scenarios where it's like download this app share your

1187
01:05:42,224 --> 01:05:46,824
location with all this and just like it's just super spooky and that's why when i saw this i was

1188
01:05:46,824 --> 01:05:53,104
like no go not touching it and i don't talk about this stuff i would have never brought this up i

1189
01:05:53,104 --> 01:05:57,084
would have never said anything ever about it if you would ask me an opinion i wouldn't have told

1190
01:05:57,084 --> 01:06:01,424
you the only reason i'm bringing it up is because wumble brought it up and that's my take on it

1191
01:06:01,424 --> 01:06:10,384
okay can i have another one take yeah anyway but uh yeah usually only talk about things i like

1192
01:06:10,384 --> 01:06:13,884
that are worth talking about but if something's not worth talking about i won't bring it up

1193
01:06:13,884 --> 01:06:20,704
one more picks i just like that about you all right we're gonna get to the next one the next

1194
01:06:20,704 --> 01:06:29,764
one is uh yeah man we're gonna keep it going i guess these are my picks um this week we had a

1195
01:06:29,764 --> 01:06:36,244
some really good alpha and this got shared in the saloon and i just wanted to get kaon's thoughts on

1196
01:06:36,244 --> 01:06:43,264
it did you see this one this was from jb55 another noster take he said there's a large

1197
01:06:43,264 --> 01:06:50,164
i think he was trying to say monetary investment in the space in centralized noster and then he

1198
01:06:50,164 --> 01:06:54,564
put in quotations primal and centralized bitcoin and he put in quotations cashew

1199
01:06:54,564 --> 01:06:59,084
criticizing any of these question mark good luck getting a grant or invited to the next prestigious

1200
01:06:59,084 --> 01:07:04,424
event nostril was more fun when it was being subverted by money and influence peddling

1201
01:07:04,424 --> 01:07:10,544
unfortunately they can't buy me or shut me up i couldn't give more of a plank about money or

1202
01:07:10,544 --> 01:07:20,084
influence this is from jb55 um kian you got any thoughts on this um do i have thoughts on it uh

1203
01:07:20,084 --> 01:07:30,084
I mean, I think there is like anointed people in Bitcoin and anointed projects in Bitcoin.

1204
01:07:31,284 --> 01:07:43,444
And if you're not on the inside, you can't tell that there's an anointing process and that things are maybe not treated equally.

1205
01:07:43,444 --> 01:07:48,244
and I would say JB is bringing attention,

1206
01:07:48,604 --> 01:07:50,704
trying to like giving outsiders

1207
01:07:50,704 --> 01:07:52,304
maybe a taste of what's on the inside.

1208
01:07:53,884 --> 01:07:55,604
And so it's like a legitimate critique.

1209
01:07:55,724 --> 01:07:59,544
I'd be upset if I were JB, I think.

1210
01:08:00,204 --> 01:08:01,784
Is he think he's just talking about Nostra?

1211
01:08:01,864 --> 01:08:03,184
Is he talking about Nostra and Bitcoin?

1212
01:08:03,304 --> 01:08:05,604
Because to me, it seems like he's just talking about Nostra.

1213
01:08:05,844 --> 01:08:07,264
I think he's talking about OpenSats.

1214
01:08:08,044 --> 01:08:08,624
Oh, wow.

1215
01:08:08,884 --> 01:08:10,204
I think that's really what it's like.

1216
01:08:10,204 --> 01:08:10,784
Oh, wow.

1217
01:08:11,444 --> 01:08:13,084
Didn't you comment on this?

1218
01:08:13,084 --> 01:08:23,544
uh i did and i'm sharing mostly my uh what i shared in my comment um but uh yeah i think i

1219
01:08:23,544 --> 01:08:30,204
think it's i think it's fair he probably does feel uh marginalized and he was on on you know

1220
01:08:30,204 --> 01:08:36,684
on noster using noster brought dorsi to noster if um if it wasn't for domus maybe that wouldn't

1221
01:08:36,684 --> 01:08:41,124
have happened at all so that's kind of what when i saw this it was like because i don't really go

1222
01:08:41,124 --> 01:08:46,024
on nostr as they say like i'll go on and i'll use note decks i've been using note deck because i

1223
01:08:46,024 --> 01:08:50,124
really love it i really think that that's the next iteration for nostr is just like kind of

1224
01:08:50,124 --> 01:08:54,544
i don't know if he's doing gun curation on there i don't know what the like i haven't talked to him

1225
01:08:54,544 --> 01:08:58,984
but i really love the way he's doing note deck to me that feels like the future of nostr

1226
01:08:58,984 --> 01:09:03,844
when i look at it see this is where i say good things can i'm not criticizing it because i

1227
01:09:03,844 --> 01:09:09,844
actually believe this what it's bitch had on it and then we'll have that conversation but what i'm

1228
01:09:09,844 --> 01:09:14,464
saying is like i when i see note deck to me that looks like a future like a really futuristic

1229
01:09:14,464 --> 01:09:21,384
version of nostr it's like it has the tellings of it all and um he's the reason why i got into

1230
01:09:21,384 --> 01:09:26,944
nostr like i heard about damas i got him on like thriller when i was doing thriller back then

1231
01:09:26,944 --> 01:09:34,504
and then almost 2013 2000 no this is 21 or no 22 i'm just and then like and then like almost

1232
01:09:34,504 --> 01:09:39,484
immediately after that i was in i was using damas and like a big fan of what william was doing and

1233
01:09:39,484 --> 01:09:45,764
talking to all you guys about what william was doing and we had a lot of early nostr meetups

1234
01:09:45,764 --> 01:09:51,644
yeah and it was all because of it was all because of william like it was because he got me excited

1235
01:09:51,644 --> 01:09:58,724
about what nostr could be it wasn't because of all these other people it was william and so um i i

1236
01:09:58,724 --> 01:10:05,144
don't think people realize that like you know when you have somebody of this caliber building on your

1237
01:10:05,144 --> 01:10:11,124
protocol like you should take these considerations very seriously like or what he's saying very

1238
01:10:11,124 --> 01:10:16,744
seriously here because you know this to me when i see something when i and i know i don't know i

1239
01:10:16,744 --> 01:10:21,804
know devs but i hang around with a lot of des and a lot of founders when i see this type of

1240
01:10:22,524 --> 01:10:29,064
statement and it's sent out publicly like somebody should go talk to them and like see if

1241
01:10:29,064 --> 01:10:32,824
everything's okay because like this is somebody that's about to eject this what that looks like

1242
01:10:32,824 --> 01:10:39,444
to me um it's very concerning because like you don't want him to eject from nostril you don't

1243
01:10:39,444 --> 01:10:44,284
want him to yes i hope not but like you don't want him to do that so like if whoever's out there

1244
01:10:44,284 --> 01:10:48,724
listening to this like you should go see how he's doing because this is like if he's very frustrated

1245
01:10:48,724 --> 01:10:53,364
by this like there's probably a dozen hundreds of other people that are super frustrated by this

1246
01:10:53,364 --> 01:10:58,024
and i don't know how to fix it i'm not trying to say how to fix it i'm just saying like take this

1247
01:10:58,024 --> 01:11:03,104
seriously. That's what I would say. I wonder if the, you know, like, I don't know, I don't know

1248
01:11:03,104 --> 01:11:08,344
exactly who he's talking about or what he means by monetary investment, but I wonder if the people

1249
01:11:08,344 --> 01:11:15,644
who he is talking about, how they would interpret this criticism, whether they would think it's

1250
01:11:15,644 --> 01:11:23,244
valid or he's just like kind of imagining things. I think, I think my sense of, of what he means,

1251
01:11:23,244 --> 01:11:27,664
those people think that they're doing, that they're not, they're not actually doing anything

1252
01:11:27,664 --> 01:11:35,544
wrong. Um, and there is no, there is no, you know, the conflict that he's kind of alluding to,

1253
01:11:35,584 --> 01:11:40,504
it doesn't exist because they don't, they haven't admitted to themselves that it does. And so

1254
01:11:40,504 --> 01:11:47,684
therefore like JB is just hallucinating. Um, I don't know though. Uh, does that form a gas

1255
01:11:47,684 --> 01:11:51,504
lining though? You think? I think they've gaslit themselves. I think it's a problem. That's a

1256
01:11:51,504 --> 01:11:55,424
problem with incentives that's the problem with like who you take your money from who you give it

1257
01:11:55,424 --> 01:12:01,404
to you take equity in a company you're fucked you have no objectivity about them anymore um you have

1258
01:12:01,404 --> 01:12:07,264
to be really careful about uh incentives because you will trick yourself into believing you're a

1259
01:12:07,264 --> 01:12:12,864
good person even if you do really heinous things um but even like even just like marginally heinous

1260
01:12:12,864 --> 01:12:18,904
things like playing favorites and stuff um that's certainly that's certainly something that happens

1261
01:12:18,904 --> 01:12:22,604
when you have it's just a bummer to see i mean he's like one of the main reasons why i even got

1262
01:12:22,604 --> 01:12:28,284
into nostr and we talked about it on the dvd like the dvd that we have we covered like it's this is

1263
01:12:28,284 --> 01:12:33,304
one of the clips that we talked about with william and stuff and it's kind of like interesting to see

1264
01:12:33,304 --> 01:12:39,544
like from that long ago um to now and like where it's come to and to me these days when i look at

1265
01:12:39,544 --> 01:12:46,084
nostr i don't even see it anymore as a um as what it used to be i kind of just see it as apps now

1266
01:12:46,084 --> 01:12:54,884
like i see primal i see runster i see shopster i see wave lake i see uh fountain i guess and um

1267
01:12:54,884 --> 01:13:01,424
and domus and then amethyst like i just see apps now i don't see it as a but maybe i'm just not

1268
01:13:01,424 --> 01:13:06,224
looking at it closely like i was before does that make sense it does make sense the other thing i

1269
01:13:06,224 --> 01:13:12,164
want to say though is i think i can see a lot of uh people in bitcoin right now they're kind of

1270
01:13:12,164 --> 01:13:18,724
blowing off or like the top is blowing off like steam i think around the core knots thing so i

1271
01:13:18,724 --> 01:13:24,564
think that's mostly what this is jb will go i've seen jb we've seen we've covered jb like popping

1272
01:13:24,564 --> 01:13:29,364
off a couple times or really remember like i think it was like probably roughly a year ago where he

1273
01:13:29,364 --> 01:13:36,484
was like i might quit damas um and we i think there was a top story and then that was a big deal

1274
01:13:36,484 --> 01:13:40,284
We see that a lot of people are going after Callie right now.

1275
01:13:41,524 --> 01:13:41,964
Callie's going after other people.

1276
01:13:41,964 --> 01:13:43,004
What are they going after him for?

1277
01:13:43,384 --> 01:13:51,404
Someone attacked his MEN implementation because it had a rate limit bug in it.

1278
01:13:52,684 --> 01:13:54,884
And so he's been fighting about that.

1279
01:13:55,764 --> 01:14:00,484
And I think it's just the point.

1280
01:14:00,484 --> 01:14:09,224
We've hit an emotional peak, and we're maybe cycling back again.

1281
01:14:10,124 --> 01:14:11,044
What do you think about all this?

1282
01:14:11,104 --> 01:14:12,544
Anyone on BitChat there, FlubPoet?

1283
01:14:12,844 --> 01:14:13,964
Nobody's on BitChat.

1284
01:14:14,824 --> 01:14:16,824
I bet you they're on a ham radio, though, if you do that.

1285
01:14:16,824 --> 01:14:17,424
That's what we should do.

1286
01:14:17,604 --> 01:14:21,024
We need someone dedicated here every week just on BitChat waiting for people.

1287
01:14:21,464 --> 01:14:23,624
You'll be waiting 20 years.

1288
01:14:24,584 --> 01:14:24,964
Go ahead.

1289
01:14:25,344 --> 01:14:28,764
I just think, yeah, the top is blowing off emotionally.

1290
01:14:28,764 --> 01:14:31,804
Sorry. Yeah.

1291
01:14:33,104 --> 01:14:36,324
When you think of Nostra, what do you use on Nostra?

1292
01:14:36,504 --> 01:14:39,984
Are you on Nostra? Do you use Nostra? Not so much anymore.

1293
01:14:40,624 --> 01:14:44,184
Why? Why? I just get confused. About what?

1294
01:14:44,604 --> 01:14:48,544
Just how to use it. Oh, really? So you don't even use the social apps on Nostra

1295
01:14:48,544 --> 01:14:51,944
anymore? No. None of them? Not even Dama's? No.

1296
01:14:52,244 --> 01:14:56,364
Wow. What turned you off about it? Just like

1297
01:14:56,364 --> 01:15:00,384
getting on there and just like seeing people say the same thing every day

1298
01:15:00,384 --> 01:15:03,944
what is that just about nostre it's just insular

1299
01:15:03,944 --> 01:15:10,504
stacker news is kind of like that too but

1300
01:15:10,504 --> 01:15:15,524
you make it you can you i don't know i have a better time

1301
01:15:15,524 --> 01:15:20,584
over here stacker news is kind of a nostre client but i have a better so you have a better

1302
01:15:20,584 --> 01:15:25,384
time on stacker news than you do on nostre yeah yeah maybe you should just make stacker news a

1303
01:15:25,384 --> 01:15:34,104
protocol i don't know how you would do that just that'd be funny anyways the next one i want to

1304
01:15:34,104 --> 01:15:41,264
cover is feel the breeze baby oh do it okay look at that skateboard it's blowing your hair this

1305
01:15:41,264 --> 01:15:46,004
one's this one's for justin shock net i love you justin you should do a newsletter and i'll cover

1306
01:15:46,004 --> 01:15:51,044
that too is that no i just want to i just want to share this because i think this kind of goes

1307
01:15:51,044 --> 01:15:51,864
You used to skate, right?

1308
01:15:52,164 --> 01:15:52,724
You're at a...

1309
01:15:52,724 --> 01:15:53,124
I don't know.

1310
01:15:53,124 --> 01:15:53,504
I don't know.

1311
01:15:53,664 --> 01:15:55,504
I don't know about that part yet.

1312
01:15:55,764 --> 01:15:55,944
Yeah.

1313
01:15:56,544 --> 01:15:57,964
Anyways, I just want to share this

1314
01:15:57,964 --> 01:16:00,004
because I think this kind of goes into everything

1315
01:16:00,004 --> 01:16:01,524
that we were talking about earlier with Austin.

1316
01:16:01,524 --> 01:16:04,724
And it kind of goes to what you were saying just right now.

1317
01:16:04,944 --> 01:16:08,684
Like, you know, people are working really hard

1318
01:16:08,684 --> 01:16:13,404
behind the scenes, you know, to get Bitcoin everywhere.

1319
01:16:13,764 --> 01:16:17,644
And I know the team at Breeze has been doing the time to build thing.

1320
01:16:17,804 --> 01:16:20,384
And they're literally going all over the globe

1321
01:16:20,384 --> 01:16:26,224
trying to to get people to use lightning um you know and sure they're trying to get people to use

1322
01:16:26,224 --> 01:16:31,324
breeze at the same time but like look at all these photos right like they're and danny just

1323
01:16:31,324 --> 01:16:38,644
just prove it don't they i mean they do i mean danny's just busted the world yeah but yeah he

1324
01:16:38,644 --> 01:16:43,644
just shared all the stuff that they're doing um and then they just released their breeze mcp server

1325
01:16:43,644 --> 01:16:49,324
and uh i think it's i think it's worth bringing up because they do a lot of hard work and they're

1326
01:16:49,324 --> 01:17:07,906
talking about the plan b forum all that stuff and so i just wanted to share that that a good post yeah i think it if you building something uh and you want to get possibly paid for it do time to build there you go like a hack of global like the skateboard thing

1327
01:17:07,906 --> 01:17:12,066
but i think it's worth mentioning because i don't think people see that a lot of this

1328
01:17:12,066 --> 01:17:16,706
it kind of goes to and i saw another post this week we were talking about in the lab by somebody

1329
01:17:16,706 --> 01:17:21,766
else who's doing a lot of work in the ecosystem and they're just kind of burnt out basically

1330
01:17:21,766 --> 01:17:28,446
way and uh that was it was on twitter i'll show you later keon but uh yeah and i think kind of

1331
01:17:28,446 --> 01:17:32,086
what janet just said like i think just a lot of people are burnt out and like a lot of people

1332
01:17:32,086 --> 01:17:40,686
blowing their tops off blowing their tops off yeah so feels like a bear market blowing their tops and

1333
01:17:40,686 --> 01:17:49,226
kicking their sacks and oh boy these bitcoiners so we're gonna jump into keon's top stories keon

1334
01:17:49,226 --> 01:17:50,006
Orange Pooh Immunity?

1335
01:17:50,146 --> 01:17:50,486
What's this?

1336
01:17:50,806 --> 01:17:52,166
Yeah, I thought this was fun.

1337
01:17:52,346 --> 01:17:54,926
Scoresby was hanging out with his family,

1338
01:17:55,286 --> 01:17:56,846
and someone who he calls a cousin

1339
01:17:56,846 --> 01:18:02,406
who is actually a child of his cousin's son.

1340
01:18:03,666 --> 01:18:06,866
Yeah, his cousin's grandson?

1341
01:18:07,306 --> 01:18:08,466
No, he's his cousin's son.

1342
01:18:08,546 --> 01:18:10,626
He's a child of a cousin's son.

1343
01:18:11,126 --> 01:18:12,166
Wait, no, start all over.

1344
01:18:12,166 --> 01:18:14,466
Yeah, his cousin's grandson.

1345
01:18:15,086 --> 01:18:16,066
Cousin's grandson?

1346
01:18:16,306 --> 01:18:17,246
His cousin's grandson.

1347
01:18:17,446 --> 01:18:18,906
He was hanging out with his cousin's grandson

1348
01:18:18,906 --> 01:18:26,026
just him and that would be his cousin though grandson would be his cousin the child he's the

1349
01:18:26,026 --> 01:18:33,026
child he's the child of his son different probably somebody in this someone somebody in the comments

1350
01:18:33,026 --> 01:18:38,566
give us what they call it in german give us the family tree what did he say it's down there

1351
01:18:38,566 --> 01:18:44,666
merch is merch is back on stacker news he's always been here i know but not just talking like

1352
01:18:44,666 --> 01:18:49,146
oh there he goes talking casual first of all he's not actually my cousin he's my child

1353
01:18:49,146 --> 01:18:52,566
of my cousin's son english does not have a word for this and i don't know if any

1354
01:18:52,566 --> 01:18:58,126
in germany we would call that a nephew of a second degree i believe the gianni jargon is english

1355
01:18:58,126 --> 01:19:02,566
first cousin once removed down to it oh interesting oh you know what i for actually

1356
01:19:02,566 --> 01:19:07,626
teresa always says that that's my first cousin second cousin yeah yeah yeah that makes sense

1357
01:19:07,626 --> 01:19:13,046
third i'm glad we figured that out was that what the post was about his cousin because

1358
01:19:13,046 --> 01:19:15,266
Because his cousin is a first.

1359
01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:17,846
His cousin's son would be a second,

1360
01:19:18,026 --> 01:19:20,186
and then the child of that son would be the third.

1361
01:19:20,246 --> 01:19:21,306
Once removed, yeah.

1362
01:19:22,206 --> 01:19:23,426
I think it's not removed.

1363
01:19:23,566 --> 01:19:24,226
It's not removed.

1364
01:19:24,366 --> 01:19:25,346
He said it was removed.

1365
01:19:26,566 --> 01:19:28,966
The removed comes in with divorce.

1366
01:19:29,486 --> 01:19:30,446
No, he says it right here.

1367
01:19:30,486 --> 01:19:31,206
He said it at the bottom.

1368
01:19:31,826 --> 01:19:32,546
Yeah, Murch said,

1369
01:19:32,926 --> 01:19:34,746
in Germany we would call that nephew of second degree.

1370
01:19:34,746 --> 01:19:37,726
I believe the genealogy jargon in English is first cousin once removed down.

1371
01:19:38,346 --> 01:19:39,726
Nobody says that.

1372
01:19:40,526 --> 01:19:41,166
Why not?

1373
01:19:41,346 --> 01:19:42,006
It's down, though.

1374
01:19:42,326 --> 01:19:42,786
I don't know.

1375
01:19:43,046 --> 01:19:44,606
First cousin once removed down.

1376
01:19:44,906 --> 01:19:45,846
Once removed down.

1377
01:19:45,866 --> 01:19:47,266
What happens if it's removed up?

1378
01:19:47,926 --> 01:19:49,586
It wouldn't be because that would just be your first cousin.

1379
01:19:50,166 --> 01:19:51,466
That would just be your first cousin, Jenna.

1380
01:19:51,466 --> 01:19:52,926
You would just have to give birth to your father.

1381
01:19:53,246 --> 01:19:55,166
That would just be your first cousin or your second cousin.

1382
01:19:56,626 --> 01:19:57,026
Okay.

1383
01:19:57,306 --> 01:19:57,686
All right.

1384
01:19:58,066 --> 01:19:59,406
Well, I think we settled it right there.

1385
01:20:00,126 --> 01:20:02,006
Because you can even say twice removed down.

1386
01:20:02,806 --> 01:20:03,686
Twice removed down.

1387
01:20:03,686 --> 01:20:06,986
Yeah, if that's his cousin's grandson's son.

1388
01:20:07,226 --> 01:20:07,786
Removed down.

1389
01:20:08,266 --> 01:20:09,786
Why is it removed in a direction?

1390
01:20:10,526 --> 01:20:11,686
Because you're...

1391
01:20:11,686 --> 01:20:12,466
You're moving.

1392
01:20:12,466 --> 01:20:13,926
you're moving down the family

1393
01:20:13,926 --> 01:20:16,126
you're moving up the family tree

1394
01:20:16,126 --> 01:20:17,666
in the geology

1395
01:20:17,666 --> 01:20:19,986
okay so if I remove it up

1396
01:20:19,986 --> 01:20:21,086
blood flows downhill

1397
01:20:21,086 --> 01:20:23,646
oh it does sure

1398
01:20:23,646 --> 01:20:25,026
it's a good lesson

1399
01:20:25,026 --> 01:20:26,546
anyways

1400
01:20:26,546 --> 01:20:29,546
is that all the other ones

1401
01:20:29,546 --> 01:20:31,826
no so he's hanging out

1402
01:20:31,826 --> 01:20:32,766
with this guy

1403
01:20:32,766 --> 01:20:36,526
his first cousin wants to remove down

1404
01:20:36,526 --> 01:20:37,346
got it

1405
01:20:37,346 --> 01:20:38,566
got it

1406
01:20:38,566 --> 01:20:42,226
he's hanging out with them

1407
01:20:42,226 --> 01:20:46,966
and he's 14 years old and he's hanging out alone

1408
01:20:46,966 --> 01:20:50,846
because he's like in that middle zone.

1409
01:20:50,986 --> 01:20:51,186
Gen Z.

1410
01:20:51,746 --> 01:20:52,826
Yeah, I guess.

1411
01:20:52,886 --> 01:20:53,206
I don't know.

1412
01:20:53,286 --> 01:20:55,746
But I think he's too old to hang out with the young kids

1413
01:20:55,746 --> 01:20:57,206
and too young to hang out with the adults.

1414
01:20:57,326 --> 01:20:58,626
So he's hanging out alone.

1415
01:20:58,906 --> 01:21:02,506
And then Scoresby, being Scoresby, is like, hey, what's up?

1416
01:21:02,846 --> 01:21:04,986
And starts trying to talk to him about Bitcoin.

1417
01:21:05,206 --> 01:21:06,606
I think he said, have you ever used Bitcoin?

1418
01:21:06,786 --> 01:21:08,266
That's his opening line.

1419
01:21:08,706 --> 01:21:09,126
Oh, Lord.

1420
01:21:09,246 --> 01:21:10,406
His pickup line for Orangefield.

1421
01:21:10,406 --> 01:21:10,566
Here we go.

1422
01:21:10,566 --> 01:21:19,046
And apparently this guy, he owned Solana and Ethereum and sold them at a profit.

1423
01:21:20,026 --> 01:21:25,026
And it left Scoresby kind of speechless about how to proceed with orange pill in him.

1424
01:21:25,046 --> 01:21:32,486
Because he's not at the age where he's concerned with things like censorship, resistance, and store of value.

1425
01:21:34,226 --> 01:21:39,486
And he's turned a profit on Solana, and they got these sparkly marketing, probably, and stuff.

1426
01:21:39,486 --> 01:21:41,646
and so he was trying to figure out what to do

1427
01:21:41,646 --> 01:21:43,866
and he tried to get him turned on

1428
01:21:43,866 --> 01:21:45,466
to prediction markets

1429
01:21:45,466 --> 01:21:47,786
and things like Stacker News where you're

1430
01:21:47,786 --> 01:21:48,946
sending micropayments

1431
01:21:48,946 --> 01:21:51,326
and maybe that would intrigue him but he

1432
01:21:51,326 --> 01:21:53,426
said he seemed less than interested

1433
01:21:53,426 --> 01:21:54,366
which

1434
01:21:54,366 --> 01:21:57,786
it's easy to imagine

1435
01:21:57,786 --> 01:21:58,746
in a 14 year old

1436
01:21:58,746 --> 01:22:01,906
and so he told him

1437
01:22:01,906 --> 01:22:03,806
he was going to be poor basically

1438
01:22:03,806 --> 01:22:06,026
and that was the end of their

1439
01:22:06,026 --> 01:22:06,986
interaction

1440
01:22:06,986 --> 01:22:17,146
but um yeah that is that your yeah the problem the problem you bump into when you try to talk

1441
01:22:17,146 --> 01:22:21,186
to somebody like this about bitcoin is that like they're not going to get it because they're lucky

1442
01:22:21,186 --> 01:22:25,486
and they don't see a reason yeah bitcoin's for unlucky people

1443
01:22:25,486 --> 01:22:31,706
right lucky on solana right lucky on ethereum you just happen to like

1444
01:22:31,706 --> 01:22:38,806
not get burned but you probably will yeah like we were talking to that that kid when jimmy song was

1445
01:22:38,806 --> 01:22:44,306
there and the kid was like yeah i just did a startup with a building for solana and he was

1446
01:22:44,306 --> 01:22:49,606
like and jimmy basically told him he was like uh what are you working on like and the guy's like

1447
01:22:49,606 --> 01:22:54,266
oh i'm doing like an nft it's gonna have an exchange and he goes you know you're gonna go

1448
01:22:54,266 --> 01:22:59,086
to jail just like because you're doing like securities and there's all this kind of like

1449
01:22:59,086 --> 01:23:02,826
stuff you should consult a lawyer like jimmy was like telling him the truth and the guy's like no

1450
01:23:02,826 --> 01:23:09,526
i'm not i'm not doing anything wrong um but you know some kids are just chasing the money man

1451
01:23:09,526 --> 01:23:13,726
especially young kids they don't know any better and that's what i'm saying sometimes you chase

1452
01:23:13,726 --> 01:23:18,326
the money and you end up lucky yeah but then why would you ever need bitcoin if you're just lucky

1453
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:22,706
that's what i'm saying bitcoin is bitcoin is luck this goes back to what i was saying like

1454
01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:28,326
americans don't need bitcoin it's like it's it's south america these other countries the only people

1455
01:23:28,326 --> 01:23:32,466
they're going to get bitcoin are the people that understand it just one little point on that yeah

1456
01:23:32,466 --> 01:23:37,366
and i think that's a fair point but there have been times where you have talked about this where

1457
01:23:37,366 --> 01:23:45,666
you have sounded a little bit like oh all those poor people in other countries are doing so bad

1458
01:23:45,666 --> 01:23:51,566
no i just i just trying to i'm just trying to like really hit home american you kind of it's

1459
01:23:51,566 --> 01:23:56,546
like talking down a little bit so no i'm just i'm just saying that in america people don't need

1460
01:23:56,546 --> 01:23:58,606
Bitcoin. And the people

1461
01:23:58,606 --> 01:24:01,266
that do choose to get Bitcoin

1462
01:24:01,266 --> 01:24:04,946
are actively making a choice.

1463
01:24:05,146 --> 01:24:06,446
They're making a choice between

1464
01:24:06,446 --> 01:24:08,646
I want Bitcoin or fiat.

1465
01:24:08,646 --> 01:24:09,946
What you're saying sounds a little bit racist sometimes.

1466
01:24:10,206 --> 01:24:12,186
What? Or classist sometimes.

1467
01:24:12,386 --> 01:24:13,926
Oh, wow. This is another podcast for that.

1468
01:24:13,926 --> 01:24:16,046
The way that you come off. Can I let Dino be

1469
01:24:16,046 --> 01:24:16,886
racist?

1470
01:24:17,526 --> 01:24:20,346
Oh, that's the question

1471
01:24:20,346 --> 01:24:20,906
right there.

1472
01:24:21,866 --> 01:24:24,086
I don't know. Cars are the brownest person in this room.

1473
01:24:24,766 --> 01:24:25,566
He's the what?

1474
01:24:25,566 --> 01:24:26,906
He's the brownest person in this room.

1475
01:24:26,986 --> 01:24:29,086
He can basically say anything he wants about any race.

1476
01:24:29,746 --> 01:24:30,866
Like as far as we're concerned.

1477
01:24:30,886 --> 01:24:33,926
I don't think race or class has anything to do with it.

1478
01:24:34,286 --> 01:24:38,606
It's just a statement that Americans really don't need to be a race or class.

1479
01:24:38,906 --> 01:24:41,586
No, I just don't think Americans – and you're kind of seeing it, right?

1480
01:24:41,606 --> 01:24:42,506
They want stocks.

1481
01:24:43,066 --> 01:24:44,546
They want, you know, Solano.

1482
01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:45,626
They want to gamble.

1483
01:24:46,006 --> 01:24:47,366
Like look at our president.

1484
01:24:47,606 --> 01:24:49,246
Like he wants all these things for America.

1485
01:24:49,246 --> 01:24:50,506
It's not how you talk about America.

1486
01:24:50,746 --> 01:24:53,246
It's the way you talk about other countries is what I'm saying.

1487
01:24:53,806 --> 01:24:55,506
When did I say anything about another country?

1488
01:24:55,566 --> 01:25:02,186
okay we'll just we'll just pin that for another day when it comes up okay bring it up okay it's

1489
01:25:02,186 --> 01:25:07,786
got a pendant yeah i feel like don't you would you not agree that other countries need it more

1490
01:25:07,786 --> 01:25:14,866
like i just went to merida and we we orange filled the whole city there and like yes they need it

1491
01:25:14,866 --> 01:25:19,206
more than us yeah and so they're gonna they're gonna want to use it they're gonna want bitcoin

1492
01:25:19,206 --> 01:25:24,546
like we paid them in bitcoin i think that's great because they want it so it's not just me saying

1493
01:25:24,546 --> 01:25:28,846
random statements because i haven't traveled and seen around i'm telling you from actual proof of

1494
01:25:28,846 --> 01:25:36,326
work oh no no and i think that's great anyways i don't know how we got on that subject but okay

1495
01:25:36,326 --> 01:25:41,706
plus you can't you can't be racist against mexicans because you i i think it's just i think

1496
01:25:41,706 --> 01:25:46,166
it's just like a i think it's just an interesting conversation because i think like americans how

1497
01:25:46,166 --> 01:25:51,146
are choosing right now not to buy bitcoin when instead they're choosing stocks or they're

1498
01:25:51,146 --> 01:25:55,146
choosing treasuries or they're choosing all these other things and instead they should just be

1499
01:25:55,146 --> 01:26:00,206
staying humble and buying bitcoin but they're not these other things are fun though yeah exactly

1500
01:26:00,206 --> 01:26:05,086
because it falls in line with kind of what our leadership is doing if i open it right and and

1501
01:26:05,086 --> 01:26:10,166
there's nothing wrong with that but like it's uh it's a very um it's a very weird time in america

1502
01:26:10,166 --> 01:26:15,986
but it's i think it's better than the kamala timeline for sure i think yeah i think well i

1503
01:26:15,986 --> 01:26:19,826
I think it's not that Americans don't need saving technology.

1504
01:26:20,186 --> 01:26:25,106
I think that the other ways that they try to save money are more normal.

1505
01:26:25,926 --> 01:26:27,846
And so they can talk to other people about it.

1506
01:26:28,266 --> 01:26:33,346
We have to come here into this office and hang out with each other to be able to talk about Bitcoin.

1507
01:26:33,526 --> 01:26:35,606
We can't just go anywhere and talk about Bitcoin.

1508
01:26:35,606 --> 01:26:42,806
And then the other thing is, yeah, it's also that other stuff is fun.

1509
01:26:42,806 --> 01:26:50,706
because there's like a lot of like fancy press releases and like news events around it but

1510
01:26:50,706 --> 01:26:58,946
bitcoin's just like i keep working your money is still here it nothing's changed uh and i don't

1511
01:26:58,946 --> 01:27:01,806
it's not going to attract a 14 year old

1512
01:27:01,806 --> 01:27:12,126
cool yep the next story is plot poets zine number 32 can i get a

1513
01:27:12,126 --> 01:27:16,266
What is this?

1514
01:27:16,266 --> 01:27:17,326
So check this out.

1515
01:27:17,426 --> 01:27:18,806
So this time I had some fun.

1516
01:27:19,526 --> 01:27:30,086
I took, I have this collection of copies of the Washington Post from like, from like 1900.

1517
01:27:30,586 --> 01:27:31,066
I don't know.

1518
01:27:31,106 --> 01:27:32,746
Like, I guess the whole century, maybe.

1519
01:27:33,386 --> 01:27:37,706
Anyway, so I took those and put them in my scanner and then I, and then I waved them around.

1520
01:27:37,706 --> 01:27:39,506
So I got this wobbly stuff.

1521
01:27:39,506 --> 01:27:41,446
So that was kind of the theme here.

1522
01:27:41,446 --> 01:27:48,806
that's cool so you're remixing yeah i'm basically a dj that's cool

1523
01:27:48,806 --> 01:27:54,146
oh what is this right here this is so is this the paper that you're talking about yeah

1524
01:27:54,146 --> 01:28:02,186
oh that's dope i like that how did you get the lines like that you know oh you don't give away

1525
01:28:02,186 --> 01:28:09,286
your secrets nice uh this one says the stories in here are worth reading because they come from

1526
01:28:09,286 --> 01:28:13,966
people who have hope in the future i don't know anything about the future but i know i like using

1527
01:28:13,966 --> 01:28:22,486
bitcoin as money mike trump there you go but yeah i really liked it i like the stories that i got to

1528
01:28:22,486 --> 01:28:29,806
put in here this week um i thought it was a good mix um of just like stuff that you'd want to know

1529
01:28:29,806 --> 01:28:34,166
about lighting and bitcoin right now when you put these together is this one usually your favorite

1530
01:28:34,166 --> 01:28:40,886
one that that's why you put it as here or is it uh the first one there is the top boost okay and

1531
01:28:40,886 --> 01:28:45,586
then here is just the top post and and then yeah i order those by the date that they were posted

1532
01:28:45,586 --> 01:28:53,626
interesting wow looks like there's some all cool cool stuff you gotta you gotta you gotta read the

1533
01:28:53,626 --> 01:28:59,246
rest yep you gotta check it out and also nobody nobody uh bought a classified ad this week but

1534
01:28:59,246 --> 01:29:04,346
you can you still can you sure can next week you should somebody should buy a for love of the game

1535
01:29:04,346 --> 01:29:10,026
um yeah we gotta sell those stickers right you ordered i'm waiting for let me know when you're

1536
01:29:10,026 --> 01:29:14,666
ready to do the for the love of the game stickers yes so one thing about that i'm not gonna copy the

1537
01:29:14,666 --> 01:29:20,126
artist's art but i will print for the love of the game it's his art it's not my art it was in that

1538
01:29:20,126 --> 01:29:26,566
post it was like the guy the artist on the trolley was like i drew every line oh it was a it was a

1539
01:29:26,566 --> 01:29:31,166
photoshopped picture and i believe it was i believe you can buy that at like disney

1540
01:29:31,166 --> 01:29:36,026
i believe you could buy that i was just gonna i was just gonna i was just gonna print out i was

1541
01:29:36,026 --> 01:29:40,166
just gonna print out 50 and then give them what you're not like a disney type of piece of thing

1542
01:29:40,166 --> 01:29:45,346
it is disney owns star wars and it's about but they wouldn't like put it together in that sort

1543
01:29:45,346 --> 01:29:50,046
of way yeah i think they can you just print me one and then i can just put it on my laptop i don't

1544
01:29:50,046 --> 01:29:56,346
think he's the photographer i just want to have it because it's just so funny okay i you know i

1545
01:29:56,346 --> 01:29:58,866
I appreciate that you really got a kick out of it.

1546
01:29:59,066 --> 01:30:00,166
So maybe I just,

1547
01:30:00,306 --> 01:30:01,466
but cause that's copy.

1548
01:30:01,606 --> 01:30:03,046
If that's really his art,

1549
01:30:03,106 --> 01:30:04,186
I'm not going to copy it.

1550
01:30:04,566 --> 01:30:04,826
All right.

1551
01:30:04,826 --> 01:30:04,986
No,

1552
01:30:04,986 --> 01:30:05,346
that's fine.

1553
01:30:05,366 --> 01:30:06,126
I'll just use sticker meal.

1554
01:30:06,226 --> 01:30:06,966
But if it's not,

1555
01:30:07,126 --> 01:30:07,906
I'll just use sticker meal.

1556
01:30:07,966 --> 01:30:08,306
It's okay.

1557
01:30:09,106 --> 01:30:09,826
Use sticker meal.

1558
01:30:09,946 --> 01:30:10,306
There you go.

1559
01:30:10,306 --> 01:30:11,766
Cause they'll copy people and,

1560
01:30:11,766 --> 01:30:12,886
and steal from people.

1561
01:30:12,886 --> 01:30:13,446
So no,

1562
01:30:13,506 --> 01:30:13,766
I mean,

1563
01:30:13,766 --> 01:30:15,166
that's what we use for stickers anyway,

1564
01:30:15,266 --> 01:30:15,666
sticker meal.

1565
01:30:15,766 --> 01:30:17,606
But if you don't want to do for the love of the game,

1566
01:30:17,866 --> 01:30:18,406
it's okay.

1567
01:30:18,706 --> 01:30:22,026
I'll just use sticker meal for like one thing.

1568
01:30:22,146 --> 01:30:22,966
For the love of the game.

1569
01:30:23,006 --> 01:30:23,646
You got to use sticker.

1570
01:30:26,346 --> 01:30:27,466
For the love of the game.

1571
01:30:27,746 --> 01:30:28,126
All right.

1572
01:30:28,926 --> 01:30:31,446
Anyways, other than that, yeah, look, you did a good job.

1573
01:30:32,266 --> 01:30:34,486
So would you, okay, so where's the line then?

1574
01:30:34,546 --> 01:30:35,026
Where's the line?

1575
01:30:35,166 --> 01:30:38,946
Would you put for the love of the game with the little thing on the back of the zine?

1576
01:30:39,706 --> 01:30:40,826
I would just put the line with the zine.

1577
01:30:40,826 --> 01:30:42,706
I would put the words for the love of the game.

1578
01:30:42,826 --> 01:30:43,466
Is that what you want?

1579
01:30:43,486 --> 01:30:44,646
So you would put it as a classified then?

1580
01:30:46,126 --> 01:30:46,446
What?

1581
01:30:46,566 --> 01:30:47,206
I'm saying yes.

1582
01:30:47,226 --> 01:30:47,606
The dog.

1583
01:30:47,666 --> 01:30:48,326
With the dog.

1584
01:30:49,386 --> 01:30:50,606
What is it called?

1585
01:30:50,706 --> 01:30:51,086
The dog.

1586
01:30:51,206 --> 01:30:53,026
So the dog for the love of the game.

1587
01:30:53,626 --> 01:30:53,846
Okay.

1588
01:30:53,846 --> 01:30:55,046
Whatever his name is.

1589
01:30:55,146 --> 01:30:55,846
Would you put.

1590
01:30:55,846 --> 01:30:58,786
You asked me in this episode

1591
01:30:58,786 --> 01:31:00,766
if I would sue the AI

1592
01:31:00,766 --> 01:31:02,126
for stealing my art.

1593
01:31:02,806 --> 01:31:03,906
Yeah, but that was just for the show.

1594
01:31:04,006 --> 01:31:06,726
But I'm not going to steal another artist's art

1595
01:31:06,726 --> 01:31:07,306
for you.

1596
01:31:07,406 --> 01:31:09,926
So you're saying on the back of the classifieds,

1597
01:31:10,026 --> 01:31:11,426
there's no for the game.

1598
01:31:12,706 --> 01:31:13,326
It's already in.

1599
01:31:13,326 --> 01:31:14,426
We should do a classified ad.

1600
01:31:14,606 --> 01:31:17,966
Find this artist. Ask him if we can print out the sticker.

1601
01:31:18,186 --> 01:31:18,966
Let's find the guy.

1602
01:31:19,206 --> 01:31:20,266
His name's George Lucas.

1603
01:31:21,126 --> 01:31:23,186
Let's find the guy and let's say...

1604
01:31:23,186 --> 01:31:25,106
George Lucas doesn't own it anymore.

1605
01:31:25,106 --> 01:31:27,786
I'd have to contact the CEO of Disney

1606
01:31:27,786 --> 01:31:28,886
Make a sticker of

1607
01:31:28,886 --> 01:31:31,626
And then the NBA owns for the love of the game

1608
01:31:31,626 --> 01:31:33,466
Like they own the rights to that

1609
01:31:33,466 --> 01:31:33,946
Who does?

1610
01:31:34,486 --> 01:31:34,926
The NBA

1611
01:31:34,926 --> 01:31:37,446
Like that whole for the love of the game comes from the NBA

1612
01:31:37,446 --> 01:31:38,266
We can steal from that

1613
01:31:38,266 --> 01:31:40,186
That's why Topher said it

1614
01:31:40,186 --> 01:31:42,966
It was an NBA thing

1615
01:31:42,966 --> 01:31:44,506
For the love of the game

1616
01:31:44,506 --> 01:31:46,566
We were just going to bring it back

1617
01:31:46,566 --> 01:31:49,146
The more you know

1618
01:31:49,146 --> 01:31:50,786
Alright

1619
01:31:50,786 --> 01:31:52,366
We can put the more you know on it

1620
01:31:52,366 --> 01:31:54,786
Apparently she won't do it because that's owned by NBC

1621
01:31:54,786 --> 01:32:01,866
or no but she's now peacock universal an indie artist that's her no i get it that's the thing

1622
01:32:01,866 --> 01:32:06,526
it's like the guy is selling his stickers on the trolley so it's like i'm he's already down anyone

1623
01:32:06,526 --> 01:32:11,606
needs bitcoin it's that guy yeah maybe we just buy their rights from him but it's he's stealing

1624
01:32:11,606 --> 01:32:17,586
it from george luke or from disney anyway yeah that's a fair point no no that's a fair point

1625
01:32:17,586 --> 01:32:25,866
so i don't know who's the real artist anyways that's uh the other one we're going to bring up

1626
01:32:25,866 --> 01:32:31,526
a stacker news knowledge graph this was in the zine too yeah what's this yeah so uh i thought

1627
01:32:31,526 --> 01:32:38,166
this was really cool space simple stacker is like a total data uh wizard and he took the database

1628
01:32:38,166 --> 01:32:44,366
dump that i gave him a few weeks ago and linked every post that links to another post really wow

1629
01:32:44,366 --> 01:32:45,826
Oh, that's cool.

1630
01:32:46,006 --> 01:32:47,526
This is the visualization of it.

1631
01:32:47,946 --> 01:32:52,706
And you can see like clusters of posts that link a lot to other posts.

1632
01:32:54,146 --> 01:32:58,026
And then you can, I don't know, it's like a nice way of seeing how related things are.

1633
01:32:58,746 --> 01:33:01,346
Or, you know, at a glance, you can kind of see how related things are.

1634
01:33:01,366 --> 01:33:02,366
That's so cool.

1635
01:33:02,366 --> 01:33:06,926
Yeah, he shows how he originally clustered them.

1636
01:33:07,166 --> 01:33:12,906
And I think it was probably just whatever way that the software uses clusters them.

1637
01:33:12,906 --> 01:33:16,126
but then he applied some transformations to it to make it spiral.

1638
01:33:16,666 --> 01:33:17,966
And so you get a cool effect.

1639
01:33:18,066 --> 01:33:19,286
But if you go to his website,

1640
01:33:20,006 --> 01:33:24,986
you can actually click around and see the relationship.

1641
01:33:25,406 --> 01:33:25,566
Yeah.

1642
01:33:25,906 --> 01:33:28,146
Does it have, can you zoom in and see the actual?

1643
01:33:28,146 --> 01:33:29,886
Click on a little dot.

1644
01:33:30,386 --> 01:33:31,266
That's wild.

1645
01:33:32,026 --> 01:33:32,866
Let me see.

1646
01:33:32,966 --> 01:33:33,446
No way.

1647
01:33:34,246 --> 01:33:34,686
Click it on it.

1648
01:33:34,786 --> 01:33:35,586
It's not, oh, there it goes.

1649
01:33:37,026 --> 01:33:38,846
That's so cool, man.

1650
01:33:38,966 --> 01:33:40,566
So you can see where it links to.

1651
01:33:40,566 --> 01:33:43,666
Did he do this just because he loves Stacker News or what?

1652
01:33:43,726 --> 01:33:51,506
He is doing a research paper for the Bitcoin Research Institute and asked for Stacker News data.

1653
01:33:51,646 --> 01:33:54,146
And he's also, he's just like, this is his thing.

1654
01:33:54,266 --> 01:33:56,186
This is his zine.

1655
01:33:56,506 --> 01:33:56,906
You know what I mean?

1656
01:33:57,186 --> 01:33:57,606
Oh, yeah.

1657
01:33:57,686 --> 01:33:57,926
Yeah.

1658
01:33:58,166 --> 01:34:00,166
This is his art car.

1659
01:34:00,506 --> 01:34:00,646
Yeah.

1660
01:34:00,646 --> 01:34:02,186
But he's remixing your data.

1661
01:34:02,546 --> 01:34:03,186
So there you go.

1662
01:34:03,546 --> 01:34:03,966
Oh, yeah.

1663
01:34:04,286 --> 01:34:05,606
Well, I gave him permission.

1664
01:34:05,846 --> 01:34:06,686
He's presenting it.

1665
01:34:07,446 --> 01:34:09,226
For the love of the game, I think he's doing it.

1666
01:34:09,226 --> 01:34:10,226
The game is doing it.

1667
01:34:10,566 --> 01:34:15,326
the game um cool this is cool stuff man yeah i think it's awesome what are these right here this

1668
01:34:15,326 --> 01:34:20,606
is interesting these little pockets oh yeah those are like i think uh plus like they're the more

1669
01:34:20,606 --> 01:34:26,366
they have they're interlinked i think it's probably what it implies interesting interlinked um but i'm

1670
01:34:26,366 --> 01:34:34,506
actually not super sure oh these are all ai post oh yeah i would guess um those are probably from

1671
01:34:34,506 --> 01:34:41,766
optimism's weekly ai stuff it's just fascinating it makes you really wonder about like the universe

1672
01:34:41,766 --> 01:34:47,846
and stuff like that and like maybe things cluster because they're more uh commonalities between them

1673
01:34:47,846 --> 01:34:53,526
i was i don't know if you saw that conspiracy theory post on stacker news this week but they

1674
01:34:53,526 --> 01:34:57,706
were like which conspiracy theory do you wish is true no the more i thought about it i was going

1675
01:34:57,706 --> 01:35:00,806
to make a thing in there but i didn't but the more i thought about it i was like i kind of wish

1676
01:35:00,806 --> 01:35:06,246
the mandela effect was true um because it would explain a lot of you know maybe there's time

1677
01:35:06,246 --> 01:35:11,886
travelers that are coming in and messing with the timeline and maybe all these fractal universes

1678
01:35:11,886 --> 01:35:16,886
are getting created and then they end up merging with each other and that's what the the cash that

1679
01:35:16,886 --> 01:35:22,126
we have with our brains is coming from is just like all this mandela they just keep but maybe

1680
01:35:22,126 --> 01:35:29,426
like maybe there's two maybe like like maybe what you remember is more important so if if like

1681
01:35:29,426 --> 01:35:34,566
somebody died in my timeline then i'm on this branch but and then you're probably on a different

1682
01:35:34,566 --> 01:35:38,166
branch because you didn't experience that so the berenstein bears branch is probably

1683
01:35:38,166 --> 01:35:41,926
the timeline that i'm in because i remember watching the berenstein bears

1684
01:35:41,926 --> 01:35:47,346
or the berenstein bears but you don't so therefore you're probably on a different timeline

1685
01:35:47,346 --> 01:35:52,106
based on those fractals of those universes people on which timeline need bitcoin though

1686
01:35:52,106 --> 01:35:56,546
yeah they're kind of one of those things where like maybe in the future like people will be like

1687
01:35:56,546 --> 01:36:01,486
there was no ark ark didn't exist like wait what there was an ark there's people that were and they

1688
01:36:01,486 --> 01:36:06,226
were like no it didn't it was called spark and that's what they did to noah too right

1689
01:36:06,226 --> 01:36:11,606
what do you call an ark noah when he built the ark they said no you didn't

1690
01:36:11,606 --> 01:36:17,226
but noah's like no that's exactly why you're here right now because i built the ark and saved

1691
01:36:17,226 --> 01:36:22,526
humanity from the flood no i was just talking more like in a sense of like conspiracy theories

1692
01:36:22,526 --> 01:36:25,046
that I wish were true because it was a post on second news.

1693
01:36:25,186 --> 01:36:26,346
And this reminded me of that.

1694
01:36:26,686 --> 01:36:29,006
I wasn't like saying it's true what I'm saying.

1695
01:36:29,046 --> 01:36:31,546
I was just like thinking about crazy things.

1696
01:36:31,626 --> 01:36:32,886
Yeah, you remember Noah's Ark.

1697
01:36:33,186 --> 01:36:33,706
Yeah, yeah.

1698
01:36:33,826 --> 01:36:36,886
Okay, that's where I just was playing with that word.

1699
01:36:37,326 --> 01:36:37,746
Oh, okay.

1700
01:36:37,886 --> 01:36:41,466
Because there's a way you can like add to what people are saying

1701
01:36:41,466 --> 01:36:43,386
if it like connects to something else that's not related,

1702
01:36:43,386 --> 01:36:45,826
although it is by word because that's like wordplay

1703
01:36:45,826 --> 01:36:47,366
and it's like funny sometimes.

1704
01:36:49,826 --> 01:36:50,826
Is it not always funny?

1705
01:36:50,826 --> 01:36:52,166
I guess it's not funny right now.

1706
01:36:52,526 --> 01:36:54,226
No, I got it.

1707
01:36:54,346 --> 01:36:55,246
No, I got it.

1708
01:36:55,426 --> 01:36:55,806
You did?

1709
01:36:56,086 --> 01:36:56,726
No, I got it.

1710
01:36:56,746 --> 01:36:57,806
I know what you were trying to say.

1711
01:36:58,566 --> 01:37:00,626
You said to say for the love of the game at the end.

1712
01:37:00,686 --> 01:37:01,006
Oh.

1713
01:37:01,466 --> 01:37:02,286
No, I got it.

1714
01:37:02,386 --> 01:37:02,846
I got it.

1715
01:37:02,926 --> 01:37:07,146
I was just, I think for me, I was just trying to let you know, like, no, I'm not.

1716
01:37:07,226 --> 01:37:08,366
Like, I don't actually believe that.

1717
01:37:08,446 --> 01:37:10,606
I'm just like, I think it would be an interesting.

1718
01:37:10,606 --> 01:37:12,626
Oh, you don't believe that there was a flood?

1719
01:37:13,046 --> 01:37:15,606
No, I don't believe there's like the Mandela effect or whatever.

1720
01:37:15,886 --> 01:37:19,086
Like, I think it's just like a really interesting thing.

1721
01:37:20,226 --> 01:37:20,586
Anyways.

1722
01:37:20,846 --> 01:37:21,626
But what about the great?

1723
01:37:21,626 --> 01:37:23,366
Like you don't believe, like what about the blood?

1724
01:37:23,446 --> 01:37:23,966
No, 100%.

1725
01:37:23,966 --> 01:37:26,106
Yeah, I believe in the biblical timeline.

1726
01:37:26,266 --> 01:37:26,726
Are you kidding me?

1727
01:37:27,666 --> 01:37:28,246
I don't know.

1728
01:37:28,306 --> 01:37:29,806
It could be a conspiracy.

1729
01:37:30,706 --> 01:37:30,906
Yeah.

1730
01:37:31,366 --> 01:37:33,846
Anyway, so yeah, this is really cool, Keon.

1731
01:37:34,626 --> 01:37:35,866
When are we going to see the report?

1732
01:37:37,146 --> 01:37:39,066
I think he wrote a draft already.

1733
01:37:39,626 --> 01:37:40,066
Good job.

1734
01:37:40,066 --> 01:37:41,506
I heard it about a week ago.

1735
01:37:41,706 --> 01:37:42,106
Where is it?

1736
01:37:42,206 --> 01:37:44,886
We'll probably see the final one when he's ready.

1737
01:37:45,606 --> 01:37:46,986
There's been like a whole series.

1738
01:37:47,426 --> 01:37:47,666
Yeah.

1739
01:37:47,926 --> 01:37:50,786
He's done at least five, six.

1740
01:37:50,786 --> 01:37:51,786
We've covered a few of them.

1741
01:37:51,786 --> 01:37:52,666
I know there's been six.

1742
01:37:53,006 --> 01:37:53,386
There's seven.

1743
01:37:53,706 --> 01:37:55,546
You said that he released the whole draft already?

1744
01:37:55,606 --> 01:37:56,406
Go to his bio.

1745
01:37:57,186 --> 01:37:57,486
I did.

1746
01:37:57,786 --> 01:37:58,886
And then he has it.

1747
01:37:59,526 --> 01:38:01,366
He links it for you.

1748
01:38:01,666 --> 01:38:02,566
I said research proposal.

1749
01:38:02,686 --> 01:38:03,146
This one, yeah.

1750
01:38:03,606 --> 01:38:04,546
Yeah, there you go.

1751
01:38:05,006 --> 01:38:06,286
That's where he's beginning to write it up.

1752
01:38:06,606 --> 01:38:07,066
Oh, wow.

1753
01:38:07,266 --> 01:38:07,506
Yeah.

1754
01:38:08,566 --> 01:38:08,846
Wow.

1755
01:38:09,006 --> 01:38:11,186
I talk to Simple Stacker all the time, which is kind of interesting.

1756
01:38:11,786 --> 01:38:12,746
I didn't know that's what he did.

1757
01:38:13,866 --> 01:38:14,926
Yeah, bro's a scientist.

1758
01:38:15,626 --> 01:38:16,346
It's really cool.

1759
01:38:16,826 --> 01:38:17,726
Really cool stuff.

1760
01:38:17,726 --> 01:38:26,266
um i think that's all we got i also had bip 3 oh yeah yeah you did uh let's go over there

1761
01:38:26,266 --> 01:38:34,066
has motioned to activate bip 3 which is a change which is like sort of it's kind of meta and

1762
01:38:34,066 --> 01:38:40,966
self-referential but it's like a change to how bips are supposed to be uh documented and the

1763
01:38:40,966 --> 01:38:45,886
process for which they get merged and like this how you're supposed to update them and stuff

1764
01:38:45,886 --> 01:38:48,406
I just wanted to cover that

1765
01:38:48,406 --> 01:38:49,126
I think it's pretty cool

1766
01:38:49,126 --> 01:38:52,346
it's like this kind of janitorial housekeeping stuff

1767
01:38:52,346 --> 01:38:54,646
the other BIP2

1768
01:38:54,646 --> 01:38:55,086
that

1769
01:38:55,086 --> 01:38:58,186
I think they've been using

1770
01:38:58,186 --> 01:38:58,786
was

1771
01:38:58,786 --> 01:39:00,906
I don't know

1772
01:39:00,906 --> 01:39:02,806
it's kind of a lot

1773
01:39:02,806 --> 01:39:06,426
it's probably like two to three times as long

1774
01:39:06,426 --> 01:39:07,866
as Merch's BIP3

1775
01:39:07,866 --> 01:39:09,986
so I think they do a lot to make it

1776
01:39:09,986 --> 01:39:11,846
make it simpler, easier to understand

1777
01:39:11,846 --> 01:39:14,166
and insert like less opinion

1778
01:39:14,166 --> 01:39:15,866
into it because I think it also wasn't

1779
01:39:15,886 --> 01:39:16,666
Is it necessary anymore?

1780
01:39:16,766 --> 01:39:22,786
I think BIP2 was authored originally in 2016 by Luke Dasher.

1781
01:39:25,086 --> 01:39:26,506
It's dark outside already.

1782
01:39:28,366 --> 01:39:29,866
The world is changing, dude.

1783
01:39:30,606 --> 01:39:36,106
It's so dark just on this street, but the sky is actually not that dark right now.

1784
01:39:36,226 --> 01:39:38,846
I think it's just because the light in here is super bright.

1785
01:39:39,166 --> 01:39:40,706
Now you can see the reflection now.

1786
01:39:40,766 --> 01:39:41,906
They also clean these windows.

1787
01:39:42,226 --> 01:39:43,326
Oh, these windows are tinted, aren't they?

1788
01:39:43,926 --> 01:39:45,306
I think they're also tinted on the outside.

1789
01:39:45,306 --> 01:39:50,366
yeah yeah yeah no they're not you can see us on the outside but i can see that like the sky up

1790
01:39:50,366 --> 01:39:56,026
there is like still quite bright and blue um cool do you have any other thoughts on this

1791
01:39:56,026 --> 01:40:02,106
or no i just thought it was worth mentioning it's kind of kind of one of these uh you know

1792
01:40:02,106 --> 01:40:08,866
kind of boring things that happens in bitcoin that's pretty awesome uh because it makes bitcoin

1793
01:40:08,866 --> 01:40:19,666
better and bitcoin is amazing already so it's a big deal cool yep um and i think that's everything

1794
01:40:19,666 --> 01:40:26,926
um recording stop uh we had a couple youtube comments the first one was

1795
01:40:26,926 --> 01:40:31,526
uh oh no i did that one where's that i think i've been reading those yeah those are

1796
01:40:31,526 --> 01:40:37,826
i guess i i didn't save them hot ones i didn't say we had a couple youtube comments but

1797
01:40:37,826 --> 01:40:39,466
get to go read them

1798
01:40:39,466 --> 01:40:42,566
I thought I saved it but I guess I didn't

1799
01:40:42,566 --> 01:40:44,606
from here you could post

1800
01:40:44,606 --> 01:40:46,686
all YouTube comments on Stacker News

1801
01:40:46,686 --> 01:40:47,106
maybe

1802
01:40:47,106 --> 01:40:50,186
I thought I saved the picture

1803
01:40:50,186 --> 01:40:51,626
but I didn't do it

1804
01:40:51,626 --> 01:40:53,766
it was pretty some spicy stuff

1805
01:40:53,766 --> 01:40:56,546
I screenshotted one that said my voice is annoying

1806
01:40:56,546 --> 01:41:00,646
can you tell us

1807
01:41:00,646 --> 01:41:02,826
what does it sound like

1808
01:41:02,826 --> 01:41:04,266
after you drink a gallon of milk

1809
01:41:04,266 --> 01:41:06,266
it's like what you sound like

1810
01:41:06,266 --> 01:41:12,226
so janice janice said i'm five out of ten annoying and what i said what i replied to

1811
01:41:12,226 --> 01:41:15,886
jan is that she sounds like a stone 12 year old that just drank a gallon of milk

1812
01:41:15,886 --> 01:41:21,526
car what does that sound like man i feel like there's like this whole like what does that mean

1813
01:41:21,526 --> 01:41:25,966
like i can't clear my energy going on this side of the table and i'm on this for the second

1814
01:41:25,966 --> 01:41:31,026
i'm like over here on this side of the table where you're in the middle of it too

1815
01:41:31,026 --> 01:41:32,206
No, I'm not.

1816
01:41:32,566 --> 01:41:33,586
I'm trying not to be.

1817
01:41:33,666 --> 01:41:34,586
I'm trying to be positive.

1818
01:41:35,726 --> 01:41:40,346
But on this side of the table, I feel like there's some fights over here going on.

1819
01:41:41,026 --> 01:41:41,886
Do you want some more gummies?

1820
01:41:42,486 --> 01:41:42,786
Yeah.

1821
01:41:43,146 --> 01:41:43,866
There you go, Fred.

1822
01:41:44,706 --> 01:41:45,026
Wow.

1823
01:41:45,146 --> 01:41:45,946
But what does it...

1824
01:41:45,946 --> 01:41:48,566
I mean, can you describe the sound?

1825
01:41:49,166 --> 01:41:50,666
No, describe the sound.

1826
01:41:50,766 --> 01:41:51,366
I did my best.

1827
01:41:51,366 --> 01:41:51,846
No, no, no.

1828
01:41:51,866 --> 01:41:54,066
Describe the sound of a gallon of milk.

1829
01:41:55,026 --> 01:41:57,346
Well, it's not the gallon of milk that has the sound.

1830
01:41:57,346 --> 01:42:01,526
It's you that have the sound after you've drank a gallon of milk.

1831
01:42:01,626 --> 01:42:04,326
That's what I'm trying to say, but I just didn't want to use as many words.

1832
01:42:05,606 --> 01:42:05,966
Fair.

1833
01:42:07,726 --> 01:42:08,366
I don't know.

1834
01:42:08,426 --> 01:42:12,526
Just kind of like if you can record yourself or listen to this back later.

1835
01:42:13,286 --> 01:42:15,506
I've recorded myself plenty of times.

1836
01:42:15,846 --> 01:42:16,146
Okay.

1837
01:42:16,326 --> 01:42:17,306
She sounds normal.

1838
01:42:17,566 --> 01:42:18,406
She sounds normal.

1839
01:42:18,666 --> 01:42:19,886
She don't sound weird.

1840
01:42:20,066 --> 01:42:20,626
Like a normal.

1841
01:42:20,746 --> 01:42:21,786
Are you saying that you sound weird?

1842
01:42:21,966 --> 01:42:23,286
No, I don't think I sound weird.

1843
01:42:23,366 --> 01:42:23,766
I'm trying to.

1844
01:42:23,766 --> 01:42:26,346
Like when you do your videos, you sound probably the most calmest.

1845
01:42:27,346 --> 01:42:29,606
out of all the times that you talk.

1846
01:42:29,626 --> 01:42:30,586
This is why we drink milk.

1847
01:42:30,946 --> 01:42:32,926
I would say like in a social setting,

1848
01:42:35,186 --> 01:42:36,846
you're pretty chipper.

1849
01:42:37,746 --> 01:42:39,026
I would say you're chipper, right?

1850
01:42:39,206 --> 01:42:39,726
Yeah, milk's got...

1851
01:42:39,768 --> 01:42:40,948
Some stimulating effects as well.

1852
01:42:40,948 --> 01:42:41,128
Right?

1853
01:42:41,308 --> 01:42:42,548
Like, remember your birthday week, girl?

1854
01:42:42,868 --> 01:42:43,548
That was fun.

1855
01:42:43,608 --> 01:42:44,768
You were super chipper that week.

1856
01:42:45,148 --> 01:42:45,628
Even though you were.

1857
01:42:46,448 --> 01:42:47,508
I showed up.

1858
01:42:47,628 --> 01:42:48,208
I showed up.

1859
01:42:48,628 --> 01:42:49,108
What else?

1860
01:42:49,248 --> 01:42:49,628
What else?

1861
01:42:50,708 --> 01:42:54,628
But I just want to know what it sounds like after you drink a gallon of milk.

1862
01:42:54,728 --> 01:42:55,648
What is that sound?

1863
01:42:55,868 --> 01:42:56,168
I don't know.

1864
01:42:56,168 --> 01:42:58,928
I mean, I would suggest you try it, but you would just sound the same.

1865
01:42:58,928 --> 01:42:59,948
I wouldn't drink a gallon of milk.

1866
01:42:59,948 --> 01:43:02,088
That's just ridiculous.

1867
01:43:02,848 --> 01:43:03,628
Yeah, you'd throw up.

1868
01:43:03,648 --> 01:43:04,308
I'd throw up, yeah.

1869
01:43:04,388 --> 01:43:05,548
So I sound like I'm puking?

1870
01:43:05,948 --> 01:43:06,968
No, no, no, no.

1871
01:43:07,208 --> 01:43:08,748
You sound like you're used to doing it.

1872
01:43:08,748 --> 01:43:10,088
Ted, have you ever drank a gallon of milk?

1873
01:43:10,128 --> 01:43:12,868
What can you describe that sound

1874
01:43:12,868 --> 01:43:14,288
with an adjective?

1875
01:43:16,188 --> 01:43:16,668
Milky?

1876
01:43:17,668 --> 01:43:19,388
Bro, shut up.

1877
01:43:20,528 --> 01:43:21,188
All right.

1878
01:43:22,548 --> 01:43:24,468
Anyways, that's all we got this week

1879
01:43:24,468 --> 01:43:25,968
on Snacker News Live.

1880
01:43:26,148 --> 01:43:28,008
Keon, what are you doing this weekend?

1881
01:43:28,848 --> 01:43:30,828
Oh, I'm going to

1882
01:43:30,828 --> 01:43:32,648
pick up

1883
01:43:32,648 --> 01:43:33,408
some rabbits.

1884
01:43:34,468 --> 01:43:35,368
Some rabbits?

1885
01:43:35,588 --> 01:43:36,228
Yeah, I'm going to

1886
01:43:36,228 --> 01:43:36,768
That's awesome.

1887
01:43:37,348 --> 01:43:38,848
I think it was starting a rabbit farm.

1888
01:43:38,928 --> 01:43:39,508
That's awesome.

1889
01:43:41,048 --> 01:43:41,448
Yeah.

1890
01:43:41,708 --> 01:43:42,708
What are you going to name them?

1891
01:43:43,928 --> 01:43:45,828
One of them is going to be called Bunny, probably.

1892
01:43:46,568 --> 01:43:47,228
The other one?

1893
01:43:47,388 --> 01:43:48,268
Can you call it Bugs?

1894
01:43:48,848 --> 01:43:50,288
Can you call it Bugs and then Bugs Bunny?

1895
01:43:50,428 --> 01:43:51,248
I'll call it Bugs.

1896
01:43:51,368 --> 01:43:51,948
Bugs Bunny.

1897
01:43:52,248 --> 01:43:53,068
This one's called Bugs.

1898
01:43:53,068 --> 01:43:53,748
I'm going to start making up something.

1899
01:43:53,948 --> 01:43:57,228
I'm going to do it because I do the same thing every week.

1900
01:43:57,348 --> 01:43:58,388
Wait, you're not getting bunnies?

1901
01:43:58,628 --> 01:43:59,388
I'm not getting bunnies.

1902
01:43:59,648 --> 01:44:02,548
Oh, dude, I thought you really were to replace your cat finally.

1903
01:44:02,708 --> 01:44:14,938
I was like yes he finally moved on I don know A bunny would be a pretty good replacement Yeah totally Especially you got a diaper on it you can get one i feel like you coys right no rabbit poop is so good for your

1904
01:44:14,938 --> 01:44:19,478
garden just put it right back on the grass do you have buddies i used to when i was growing up

1905
01:44:19,478 --> 01:44:25,018
there you go you're here first oh that's it yeah so you look like you used to have bunnies thank

1906
01:44:25,018 --> 01:44:30,838
you yeah you sound like you just drank what did they what did they eat uh just carrots like what

1907
01:44:30,838 --> 01:44:36,698
did you feed them like yeah carrots lettuce any any array of vegetables but also some kibble kibble

1908
01:44:36,698 --> 01:44:44,218
ease oh interesting little nibbly kibble ease wow cool but they kind of they attacked each other so

1909
01:44:44,218 --> 01:44:52,098
that was ultimately the the issue we thought we had a boy and a girl we had two boys wow and then

1910
01:44:52,098 --> 01:44:58,618
nature ran its course and they killed each other no not quite or maybe they did eventually but we

1911
01:44:58,618 --> 01:45:00,538
We gave them a transition.

1912
01:45:00,838 --> 01:45:01,698
We gave them a play.

1913
01:45:03,018 --> 01:45:05,718
The only weird animal I had growing up was an iguana.

1914
01:45:06,238 --> 01:45:06,578
Oh.

1915
01:45:06,798 --> 01:45:07,338
But he was like.

1916
01:45:07,338 --> 01:45:08,278
Are you an iguana guy?

1917
01:45:08,418 --> 01:45:09,898
It was from Mexico, though.

1918
01:45:09,998 --> 01:45:11,978
So we weren't really sure if it was really an iguana.

1919
01:45:12,378 --> 01:45:12,518
You know?

1920
01:45:12,518 --> 01:45:12,678
Yeah.

1921
01:45:12,818 --> 01:45:13,458
It's one of those.

1922
01:45:13,958 --> 01:45:15,858
And I think my uncle gave it to me.

1923
01:45:16,118 --> 01:45:16,338
Wow.

1924
01:45:16,358 --> 01:45:17,158
And then sure enough.

1925
01:45:18,098 --> 01:45:21,278
This is why you don't give boys pets.

1926
01:45:23,078 --> 01:45:23,658
Oh, man.

1927
01:45:23,818 --> 01:45:24,498
Because you peed on it?

1928
01:45:24,498 --> 01:45:25,698
I shouldn't be saying this.

1929
01:45:25,698 --> 01:45:26,978
It was so sad.

1930
01:45:26,978 --> 01:45:28,518
Like my brother and I

1931
01:45:28,518 --> 01:45:31,458
We were like let's put the cat in front of the iguana thing

1932
01:45:31,458 --> 01:45:48,268
And literally died He fell over It was so sad He died He died from fright i still remember it dang i repented it okay yeah it was like it shouldn happen it was like this was the glass

1933
01:45:48,268 --> 01:45:56,028
of the where the iguana was and the cat the cat was just like looking at it but it was i guess it

1934
01:45:56,028 --> 01:46:02,108
was still too close to the glass and then he just like his name was iggy i feel so bad

1935
01:46:02,668 --> 01:46:09,768
oh no we should have a little memorial here no we did we had a memorial we buried him

1936
01:46:09,768 --> 01:46:15,668
my mom was so pissed yeah she's like oh god was it pretty big no it wasn't that big it was like

1937
01:46:15,668 --> 01:46:20,568
this big okay i mean we were taking care of him but like a dude had a weak heart

1938
01:46:20,568 --> 01:46:26,528
dang okay i mean his heart was probably really really small too so like and it probably freaked

1939
01:46:26,528 --> 01:46:30,608
i guess he thought we were gonna feed him to him which we weren't we were just like well what

1940
01:46:30,608 --> 01:46:38,988
happened if you put the cat in front of you know if he has cold blood though you gotta remember

1941
01:46:38,988 --> 01:46:44,048
that what does that mean you gotta warm up lizards got cold blood yeah see this is why

1942
01:46:44,048 --> 01:46:52,208
we never got iguana after that yeah my neighbor had a had a lizard oh really and she would let

1943
01:46:52,208 --> 01:47:12,778
me feed it crickets sometimes that was really fun yeah yeah r what are you doing this weekend um i don know i think i make a sticker for you I guess I make a few stickers Oh look at that

1944
01:47:13,298 --> 01:47:13,658
Yay.

1945
01:47:14,058 --> 01:47:15,118
For the love of the game.

1946
01:47:16,078 --> 01:47:16,478
Hard work.

1947
01:47:16,598 --> 01:47:17,278
For the love of the game.

1948
01:47:17,358 --> 01:47:18,218
I'll do it for the love of the game.

1949
01:47:18,218 --> 01:47:19,458
I'll just draw it myself.

1950
01:47:19,578 --> 01:47:19,958
Is that okay?

1951
01:47:20,558 --> 01:47:21,618
Yeah, that makes sense.

1952
01:47:21,938 --> 01:47:25,178
Just do it for, make one for me, Keon, and Topher.

1953
01:47:25,178 --> 01:47:27,018
Do you want a for the love of the game set?

1954
01:47:28,318 --> 01:47:29,118
For the love of the game.

1955
01:47:29,558 --> 01:47:30,198
You want one to set?

1956
01:47:30,198 --> 01:47:31,318
Does that mean anything to you?

1957
01:47:31,618 --> 01:47:39,458
yeah okay anyways uh the other the other thing is uh oh i should probably share this

1958
01:47:39,458 --> 01:47:47,618
so we're doing plebsgiving next week um and where are we gonna do it at and do it here right here

1959
01:47:47,618 --> 01:47:53,518
on this right here probably we do plebsgiving if you're a stacker who's from austin you should

1960
01:47:53,518 --> 01:47:59,238
come over sweet that's always a great time people bring food yeah it's gonna be fun we're gonna have

1961
01:47:59,238 --> 01:48:01,118
turkeys me and Topher are going to go to Costco tomorrow

1962
01:48:01,118 --> 01:48:02,718
and get some alcohol

1963
01:48:02,718 --> 01:48:05,298
and some alive turkey

1964
01:48:05,298 --> 01:48:06,798
yeah do it

1965
01:48:06,798 --> 01:48:09,138
weird and Keon's going to bring

1966
01:48:09,138 --> 01:48:11,038
rabbits yeah he's going to bring rabbits

1967
01:48:11,038 --> 01:48:12,538
I'll bring Peter Rabbit

1968
01:48:12,538 --> 01:48:14,418
I'm going to make a ham I think

1969
01:48:14,418 --> 01:48:16,938
wow that's what I'm going to bring

1970
01:48:16,938 --> 01:48:17,918
you always make a ham

1971
01:48:17,918 --> 01:48:19,998
yeah it's fun

1972
01:48:19,998 --> 01:48:21,738
so predictable

1973
01:48:21,738 --> 01:48:23,698
predictable man

1974
01:48:23,698 --> 01:48:27,138
anyways other than that y'all have a great weekend

1975
01:48:27,138 --> 01:48:28,758
stackers it's been fun

1976
01:48:28,758 --> 01:48:36,298
MMO velmosינou unстве Hessian blare de co- Associate 반대라도 Mr. Serious