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hello ladies

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back to

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news live

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my name

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is carl

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i'm

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Hey, everybody.

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He's at least seated at the table.

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He doesn't have a microphone.

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So he's just, yeah.

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He's off camera.

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He's just keeping a close watch on, making sure we don't say anything too silly.

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I mean, we're going to talk about Quantum today, so maybe he'll come in and talk about that stuff.

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Kian, how was your week?

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It was great.

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I got, I binge drank one of the days.

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and then another day I went to a Theovan, would you call it a concert?

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Show.

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Theovan's show.

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Because he's like getting close to recording his special.

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So his material should be or was presumed to be ripe and ready for,

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I think he's been torn with that material for like three years.

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And it was good.

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It was a good show.

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he seemed kind of agitated or anxious but otherwise it was a good show there were lots

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of bits in there i thought that were very strong um and yeah it's always weird it's always a bit

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of a dice roll when you go to a a podcaster that you find funny and you go to their stand-up show

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because sometimes it doesn't translate sometimes they're funny in an interview situation or you

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know just in front of a microphone with a camera and then other times not on stage but theo's funny

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on stage and he has a lot more he has his uh stage presence he's like it's like more physical than i

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would have uh presumed anyway that was my week how about yours car how was your week it was good

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i had a birthday week had like two birthday parties this past week wow with my family one

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with you guys. Whose birthday was it?

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My birthday.

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It was cool, man.

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We got really drunk. Me and Keon got really drunk.

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That was fun. Yeah, we set this place

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on fire. The roof was like actually

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on fire. Oh, it turns out it was just a

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dishwasher. It was a dishwasher on the fourth floor.

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I asked the security guys.

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I didn't even know dishwashers

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could smoke. I thought they were full of water.

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You would think, right? You would think that.

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But maybe it was the electrical behind the dishwasher.

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That's the only thing I could think of.

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They're usually underneath. I said it was an old dishwasher.

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Yeah, they use a different voltage, don't they?

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Like, they use the same ones, the same as the refrigerators, or no?

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They use 120 volt, usually.

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Yeah, I'm not sure.

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But, yeah, it was a great week.

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And it's also Holy Week this week, so a lot of stuff going on at church.

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Yeah, so it's just been, yeah, it doesn't usually happen,

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like where my birthday falls into the same week as Holy Week,

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but it has happened in the past, like a long time ago when I was younger.

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It was the last time it probably happened.

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But when it does, it's always, like, really kind of special.

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It makes it a really special week.

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We're going to jump into the top.

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Oh, I should say, before, if you've never seen this crazy show before,

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it's called Stacker Knees Live.

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It's the front page of Bitcoin.

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Boom, boom, boom.

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Pay to post and earn stats.

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Last week's most popular video was the, where was it at?

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I saw it.

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Oh, yeah, it was the Elon one.

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So apparently when we're talking about Elon, a lot of people tuned in for that.

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They love Elon and the Tarifab stuff.

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If you didn't see the sharks and cocaine one, that was a hilarious segment.

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You should probably look at that.

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And then Wombol's posting more stuff there.

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So, yeah, check it out.

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Check it out and don't subscribe.

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Don't subscribe.

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Just watch live.

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The other thing I was going to say is I think that's it.

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Let's jump into the top three stories this week.

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The number three top story this week is watch Bitcoin's mempool as a live traffic simulation.

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This is highway and space theme from Rob Revolver.

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Six comments, 9,458 sats.

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Kion, what's this?

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Yeah, it's just a fun visualization of transactions coming into the mempool,

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visualized as cars on a road.

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And you can kind of, and then there's like a little graphic on the bottom there

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where you can see the transactions coming in

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and waiting to be mined at a red light.

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It's just a kind of...

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I think they're pulling mempool for this data

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and then visualizing it.

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I don't know what the extreme fear one means.

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We should add Frogger so you can play Frogger during this.

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That would be a lot of fun

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because imagine you just hop there and be like,

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oh, I'm crossing.

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You can also switch it to space mode.

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You go hop, cross in there,

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and then you go over there,

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and then you hop across there.

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I've never played Frogger.

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I think that would be pretty cool.

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And then you get to the top,

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and maybe it gives you some Bitcoin or something.

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Yeah, no one wants to give you Bitcoin.

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If you hit where Classic is, if you hit Space,

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it'll switch to spacecraft rather than cars.

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Do you not want to hit it?

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No, listen to what they were saying.

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We have some people that are visiting the library at the same time.

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But you were saying yes, like you were responding.

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Yeah, I know.

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I always do that with you.

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You finally caught me.

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I'm just kidding.

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I just wanted to make it.

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I know you don't listen to me, but I wanted to make it clear to the viewers.

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No, I was literally listening.

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It's just like there's people who are here trying to come inside,

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and I don't know what's going on because it looks like.

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Yeah, listening involves actually processing.

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I wish I could point the camera this way so we could see what's going on.

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It looks like an altercation.

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Anyways, we're going to keep rolling.

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So this is cool, Keon.

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I like it.

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Glad you like it.

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Who made it?

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I don't know.

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Someone just apped it a lot.

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Someone shared it, and then someone zapped it a lot.

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So it made it into the top story.

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Ooh, space.

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Then probably German, I think.

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Oh, yes.

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See, this one we could do like a Galaga.

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Oh, man, just go boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop,

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and try to shoot them down like little aliens.

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So you made like a Blue's Clothes voice there.

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Oh, this is cool, man.

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This is really neat.

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I'm going to probably just throw it on this TV all day, right?

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I mean, who doesn't want to look at this?

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I mean, this is, yeah, a more fun visualization than, like, all the...

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The other one that we have there?

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Whatever that one's called.

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It's more fun to look at.

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Yeah, I like this one.

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Where we can make it around.

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Cool stuff.

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What did the stacker say?

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Top comment was from Scoresby.

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He said, this is great.

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Did you come up with this idea?

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He said, I just found the spaceship version.

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Somebody else said, NGL.

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Oh, Blockchain Book said, NGL, this is cool.

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I wonder what Schmitty shared down there.

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Oh, Schmitty shared truckyard.life.

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What is this?

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Oh, this is another one.

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Oh, wow.

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That's interesting.

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Oh, cool.

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But it has, ah, it visualizes truck transactions.

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This is kind of cool.

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Whoa.

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And then you submit a transaction?

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Submit a transaction?

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You can broadcast them.

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Oh, wow.

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I bet you there's like, somebody should make like a whole list of these.

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I bet you there's so many visualizers.

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I only know, like, the big ones.

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I know there was a South Park one, a South Park theme one,

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where, like, kids getting onto a bus and waiting at, like, a bus stop.

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These are always neat, man.

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These would make, like, a really good, like, widget on your watch or something

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or on your, like, phone.

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You know what I mean?

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If you could shrink it down that high.

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That was fun.

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Yeah, they're fun.

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They're fun.

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Look at this one.

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This one's speeding through.

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Oh wait, did I stomp them?

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Oh, I did stomp them.

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That's cool.

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Wait a second.

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Boom.

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Stomp them right there.

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Seven sats per V-buy?

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That's kind of pricey.

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Two sats per V-buy?

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What's going on?

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Anyways, yeah, that's cool.

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So check it out.

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Txrush.com or the other one, which was called Truckyard.live.

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We're going to go to the number two top story this week.

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It's personal Sats inflation, part 5, March 2026, featuring QOQ numbers.

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This is from Unboiled, 8,058 Sats.

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Keanu, what's this?

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Yeah, so Unboiled did another monthly update on their Sats inflation.

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We covered this, I think, about a month ago on Stack the News Live,

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where they described the sats per unit change that they experienced

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as they paid for things like electricity, fuel, milk, and phone data in South America.

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And up until that point, I think they'd been doing it for, I don't know, a year or so,

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at least the time that they were located in South Africa,

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and they could spend sats on these things.

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It looked like they were experiencing inflation as priced in sats.

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and it was, I think this year was maybe their best year in terms of deflation

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and from the tables that were up there before you could see that they're paying less.

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11% less than electricity, 8% less than fuel, 5% less than milk.

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Milk, yeah, that's interesting.

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Although they didn't have data for phone or water,

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They estimate that they probably would have paid less in Sats this past month.

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So that's good news for their Bitcoin, for their holdings.

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And they give us an update on their plans for the rest of the year.

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I guess they're leaving South Africa because they're a nomadic family

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and they're going to be traveling across Europe and Asia until South Africa is back in summer.

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And, yeah, so they won't have an update for us, and they don't want to do exchange rate pricing.

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They don't want to pay for things in fiat and then tell us what that costs them in sats.

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They think that kind of messes with the experiment a bit or the purity, which I think makes sense.

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So we'll have to wait until they go back to South Africa six months or so from now for the next update.

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But that's it.

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There was a bit of Sats deflation this past month.

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Yeah, that is interesting.

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So they basically have lived just with Sats, huh?

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At least for as much as they can.

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That's cool.

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Very interesting numbers.

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Only possible in South Africa.

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Is this the same people that shared all the photos and stuff?

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Where they were mining, too, and stuff?

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Or is this a different...

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This is from Unboiled, who I don't think they've shared much in terms of mining.

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It looks like there's one from before, too.

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Yeah, that was the one we covered a month ago.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, so was it better?

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Oh, it looks like it was better.

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Interesting.

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And then you go back to part three.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, so it looks like they've done better over time.

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Before most of the posts in this series, the Bitcoin price was, or the exchange rate was

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I feel like these type of people we should get for like AMAs, man.

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what would you ask them?

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really interesting questions

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I was just

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you could probably ask here on this podcast

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and they might hear it in the next post

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they might address it

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they're probably not listening to this

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I don't think anyone listens to this

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why would they?

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it's like Scoresby's asking

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thanks for doing this

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this is an excellent series

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and one to which I always look forward to

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I just want to say I really enjoyed this

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look forward to

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yeah here goes

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do you see much more BTC

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adoption NSA these days

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do you feel safe and what not

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and he goes

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I do notice more interest than in many other places

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but that may be

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well because I know a lot of Bitcoiners

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he said

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do you feel safe yes but I also

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know what to look out for

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which situations to avoid in which areas

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during what times

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so yeah

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interesting

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that's cool well thanks for posting this one bold i look forward to the next one next month

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um the number one top story this week is foundry seven block streak luck or structural edge

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question mark the consecutive block adv this is from saru 11,400 k cents keon what's this

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Yeah, so Saru did another Bitcoin data project, I think, or a Bitcoin data labs project where he, following the seven consecutive block streak that we saw from Foundry recently that we covered on the last Stacker News Live, which also coincided with a two block reorg.

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They went and looked at whether there was anything stranger than you'd expect going

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on because most of us kind of assume that a miner will mine blocks in proportion to

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how much hash rate they have.

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And so that means that they should be getting two consecutive blocks or three consecutive

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blocks over time at a certain average, and it appears that these consecutive blocks happen

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more frequently than we would estimate, which suggests that there are other dynamics going

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on.

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And so they investigated some hypotheses related to what could be going on, things like

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header-only mining, you know, mining empty blocks, things like pools colluding with each

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other or sharing block headers with each other before they've broadcast them to the rest of the

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network. Are you listening to music? I'm listening to you. Okay. And I just have like such a musical

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cadence that you like to dance to it. And then I think another possibility they looked at was

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pools not somehow hiding their hash rate. They call it like, I think, a ghost hash rate or ghost

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mining. They didn't really see any evidence of anything like that. It mostly appears to be a

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block latency thing. So you broadcast them and if miners are co-located or

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near each other, they're just more likely to get the block headers sooner and will begin mining

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faster than other network participants, and that's likely why we're seeing things that

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look a little – or that's why we had the Blockery org.

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And yeah, I thought it was – I mean, it's pretty cool.

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You can go in and kind of really dive deep in this stuff.

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They used data from the BNOC project to do this work.

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And then before that, they used data from, I think, that Wop had archived from his node

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that he had shared on GitHub at some point, I think.

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But yeah, I love the stuff.

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It's pretty cool.

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It's kind of hard to know what to think.

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People can say a lot of things without backing up with data,

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and this makes it easy to back stuff up with data.

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Yeah, check out the GitHub.

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Suru posted it here.

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Yeah.

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Shrukomar slash bitcoin-mining-pools on GitHub.

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Man, this looks really, really in-depth, man.

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He's added a lot of stuff since the last time he's seen this site.

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which wasn't too long ago, actually.

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Cool stuff, man.

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We got the top comment from Scoresby.

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He said, your forensic dashboard is pretty awesome.

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I'm shocked that I didn't know about it.

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Great work on this.

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I think I need to spend a few days looking at it.

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There's so much there.

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Saru said, thanks, feedback.

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Welcome as you explore.

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I've been debating whether to expand the pool profile behavior section.

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Would be great if it actually helps miners decide where to mine.

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Optimus said, I also like it.

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Yes, SP2 would be great to see, or even anything proprietary from large pools like Ocean's proprietary solution.

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Cool stuff.

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Nice.

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And that's the number one story this week on Stacker News Live.

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We're going to jump into Wumble's Picks.

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Wumble's Picks.

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Wumble's Picks.

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Wumble Pick this week.

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Blocking the Internet Archive will erase the web's historical record.

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This is from Zuss Postorico.

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Two comments, 1,766 cents.

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Keon, did you read this?

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I did read it.

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It was Wombo's pick.

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I'm fiduciary.

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I'm somewhat, I don't know what the right word is, but I'm obligated to read these.

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When Wombo picks them.

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And it looks like this is written in response to the New York Times

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blocking the Internet Archive from archiving their articles.

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Usually, oftentimes when stuff is behind a paywall, many of us will go to the Internet

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Archive and ask it to archive the article for us so that we can read it without having

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to get behind the paywall.

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And the New York Times is now blocking that.

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So basically we won't have a historical record of any of the content on websites like New

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York Times and they expect other publications to follow suit and more websites to do the

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same.

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And New York Times, I think, defended this by saying they were trying to protect themselves

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from AI scraping them without them getting compensated.

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Yeah, but their argument is it kind of ruins this historical record that we have where we

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We can prove that a publication got updated without making a little notice on it, telling

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people that they updated it.

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Or it just helps us keep track of things that have happened over time to these sites and

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things that have happened in the world in many cases, because a lot of stuff that happens

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in the world gets reported on the internet.

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And so this is maybe, we don't want to see this trend continue is kind of their argument.

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And they hope that people don't do this.

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I experienced this this week even before reading this article.

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I was trying to archive something from the New York Times.

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There was a story about a guy who runs a GLP-1 online company,

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mostly staffed by AI, like a variety of AI agents that made like $2 billion

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or expects to make $2 billion in revenue next year.

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But I couldn't get it to work, and I didn't know why,

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and I guess what happened was this.

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the New York Times stepped up their defenses against

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what some people might call

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scraping.

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Gatekeeping.

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Happens in the real world too.

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That's interesting.

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He had a question. Let's see if we can go back there.

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Let's see here. Is the New York Times

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on the wrong side of history in trying to prevent web crawlers

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and AI from assessing their news articles.

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Kion, what do you think?

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Well, I don't know what side's history has.

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I think this is a short-term thing for them.

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I think they're probably trying to increase subscribers.

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They probably would like these AI providers to pay them for any training data

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they are unintentionally creating.

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And so I guess that's why they're doing this.

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I think long-term, it will hurt them.

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I think long-term, it will hurt their relevance.

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I think they're going to not be served in AI results.

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They're not going to be referenced there when these bots want to provide references to things

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or customers request it because they won even be part of the training data And those bots won be able to crawl them to use them as a reference And these bots are increasingly the way that we interact with content on the internet

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So I think they're just going to continue to lose relevance.

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I mean, I don't know what the right solution for them is, but with technology, you tend to have to lean into it.

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It kind of has a direction to it, an arrow.

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and you can't really fight it.

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And I think that's what they're doing

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and I think that will end up hurting them in the long run.

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It might help their quarterly subscriber numbers or something,

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but yeah.

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Yeah, I think I kind of see it a different way,

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but not too much, just almost like slightly.

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I think the biggest thing here with like,

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he was talking about history.

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I think what Wumble's trying to say,

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like how will this kind of play out through history?

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And the only thing I can kind of equate it to Wumble

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is like the, it's kind of like when the,

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like when people knew how to write

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and then the Bible started getting spread everywhere.

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And then we saw it again with like the Gutenberg press, right?

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That was another thing.

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And this kind of reminds me of that kind of moment now

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where maybe AI is kind of like that kind of technology

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where it's just shifting the way people share things and remix things.

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Maybe we're entering that kind of, like, moment in time.

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So, yeah, I don't know if that's the right side or the wrong side,

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but that's kind of where my intuition is kind of telling me.

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That's kind of where we're at.

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And then as far as, like, the other question he added in there was, like,

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the web crawlers thing.

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yeah I think I think as far as I think I agree with Kian it's like it's kind of one of those

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things like those people need to get paid for their writing and stuff like that but it's like

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how do you figure out how to pay them in this kind of this kind of shift but it kind of goes

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back to like if we go back we look through history and we see that you know maybe there's like

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one person in town that knew how to write and knew how to speak or you know that language or whatever

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or write in that language just to say like what happened when like all of a sudden everybody

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knows how to write and has a pen, you know?

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So it's kind of one of those things.

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Maybe they didn't get paid the same.

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Maybe they got paid less because not everybody has it.

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So I don't know.

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Just kind of, I don't know.

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I don't know if that answers his question or not.

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Well, only Wumble can decide.

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Wumble will pick who answered better.

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Wumble's Picks.

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We'll see you next time on Wumble's Picks.

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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you'll like that one uh we're gonna jump into the ai stuff the i want to share this one because

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carvalho wrote this and then he posted it on snacker news kind of posted everywhere but i

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don't think he got a lot of traction um it's called the age of social intelligence um this

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was a fascinating one so he kind of he kind of writes his kind of um this kind of thesis of like

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ai is eating the world and like what is the next big thing everybody's trying to predict that

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and he kind of just goes

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he kind of just goes

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kind of talks

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I don't want to say he's talking his book

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but he's talking about how like Pubkey's trying to change that

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and I thought he did a really good job

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of explaining like

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you know he says it here

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for most of human history social intelligence was

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intrinsic

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you knew community reputation traveled by word of mouth

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trust was earned in person tested over time

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and contextual you didn't trust your butcher

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all that sort of thing

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and he goes but

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Now, discovery became algorithmic.

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Reputation became captive to counts you don't own.

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And he thinks that's where, you know, a lot of this stuff is kind of going to start changing.

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And this is where he's been really harping in on the semantic social graph that he's been talking a lot about.

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And I'm not going to go too much into it, but I do want to share a video here at the bottom.

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And they kind of go through PubKey.

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and you can kind of see like how he's implementing that in there

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i think one of the most interesting things i've used it i haven't used this latest version

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are the tags i think the tags are the most interesting thing when it comes to pup key

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but he's definitely taken a different approach and we've had him on the show before and he's

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kind of explained this before but just wanted to share that because i feel like john always puts a

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really strong effort in like getting his points across and then he also does a really good job of

503
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trying to get feedback on those points so just want to share that. Keanu did you check this out

504
00:25:35,452 --> 00:25:40,212
have you played with PubKey at all? I didn't see this I tried it during their private beta that

505
00:25:40,212 --> 00:25:45,612
they invited I think quite a mostly developers and other people who are developer adjacent

506
00:25:45,612 --> 00:25:53,392
and Bitcoin too so I'm familiar with the concept and I tried the BitKey wallet or PubKey wallet I

507
00:25:53,392 --> 00:25:54,612
I don't know. Is it BitKey?

508
00:25:55,232 --> 00:25:58,212
Or is BitKey the block wallet?

509
00:25:59,452 --> 00:26:00,812
Maybe they both have the same name.

510
00:26:03,672 --> 00:26:04,112
Yeah.

511
00:26:04,332 --> 00:26:05,012
What's up with BitKit?

512
00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:07,972
BitKit. There you go. BitKit wallet. That's it.

513
00:26:10,112 --> 00:26:10,512
Yeah.

514
00:26:10,832 --> 00:26:13,752
And so I'm familiar with what he's trying to do broadly.

515
00:26:13,752 --> 00:26:18,532
And I think it's an interesting, compelling approach

516
00:26:18,532 --> 00:26:25,372
to solving some of the problems that either traditional social media has

517
00:26:25,372 --> 00:26:31,772
or problems that Noster is taking a slightly different approach to.

518
00:26:33,452 --> 00:26:36,492
And I think it's pretty cool.

519
00:26:36,492 --> 00:26:40,492
And I think John also recently was renewed.

520
00:26:41,472 --> 00:26:46,352
It's not a grant, but I think his team received funding again from Tether.

521
00:26:46,352 --> 00:26:50,852
So they're going to keep building out Synonym and PubKey.

522
00:26:51,992 --> 00:26:56,172
And so I'm looking forward to seeing what they do.

523
00:26:56,372 --> 00:26:56,972
It's kind of cool.

524
00:26:57,072 --> 00:27:02,312
I feel like now that we've kind of seen Synonym kind of play out the past four or five years, whatever it's been,

525
00:27:02,592 --> 00:27:09,912
I do get the sense that he's kind of like their lab, that he's just kind of like, just, you know,

526
00:27:10,652 --> 00:27:14,052
he basically just is able to paint, right, with his team.

527
00:27:14,052 --> 00:27:19,392
and I think that's probably the coolest thing about that specific company.

528
00:27:19,612 --> 00:27:22,712
It's just like, and John has like these really big ideas

529
00:27:22,712 --> 00:27:27,952
and a lot of them are, I would say they're definitely,

530
00:27:28,412 --> 00:27:29,472
someone needs to address them

531
00:27:29,472 --> 00:27:33,992
and it's cool that somebody like John is actually like,

532
00:27:34,372 --> 00:27:36,072
you know, going after these big ideas

533
00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:38,432
and it's money well spent in my opinion.

534
00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:41,692
So anyways, just wanted to share that

535
00:27:41,692 --> 00:27:42,732
because I thought that was a good article.

536
00:27:42,732 --> 00:27:47,492
So the other one was the, yeah, let's go to this one.

537
00:27:47,572 --> 00:27:49,632
The OpenAI acquires TBPN.

538
00:27:51,172 --> 00:27:52,832
I don't know if you saw this one, Keon.

539
00:27:53,632 --> 00:28:01,452
But OpenAI acquired the podcast network, a podcast network.

540
00:28:01,672 --> 00:28:03,372
That's like really popular on Twitter.

541
00:28:06,272 --> 00:28:06,792
Yeah.

542
00:28:07,552 --> 00:28:09,352
I never watched their show.

543
00:28:09,352 --> 00:28:12,252
I do see their clips in my feed on X occasionally.

544
00:28:12,732 --> 00:28:19,692
But it always looked like super dystopian and like a parody of a news show or a podcast,

545
00:28:20,272 --> 00:28:24,232
which, yeah, it just kind of distracted me aesthetically.

546
00:28:24,712 --> 00:28:30,252
And so I never watched them, even though they'd have guests that I wouldn't mind hearing from

547
00:28:30,252 --> 00:28:33,152
because it just seemed like they were trying to fuck with me.

548
00:28:35,012 --> 00:28:41,332
And, you know, so maybe that means it's a great pairing for OpenAI

549
00:28:41,332 --> 00:28:44,332
and the dystopia they plan to create.

550
00:28:44,332 --> 00:28:48,492
You want to line up the symbology and the aesthetic.

551
00:28:50,392 --> 00:28:52,652
I wonder what they're going to do with them.

552
00:28:53,992 --> 00:28:58,112
I think Sam, you shared a tweet in that thread from Sam Altman

553
00:28:58,112 --> 00:29:02,192
where he's like, we bought them because we like them.

554
00:29:02,752 --> 00:29:05,672
They're not going to promote anything from OpenAI

555
00:29:05,672 --> 00:29:09,952
or hold, what is it called?

556
00:29:11,332 --> 00:29:14,512
hold back your punches.

557
00:29:16,752 --> 00:29:17,512
Pull punches.

558
00:29:17,712 --> 00:29:19,512
They're not going to pull punches towards open AI.

559
00:29:21,072 --> 00:29:22,112
Then why buy them?

560
00:29:22,232 --> 00:29:23,732
It doesn't really make any sense.

561
00:29:25,112 --> 00:29:26,512
So I suspect there will be,

562
00:29:26,512 --> 00:29:31,372
this is like a Washington Post type acquisition maybe.

563
00:29:32,632 --> 00:29:36,132
Like when Bezos acquired Washington Post

564
00:29:36,132 --> 00:29:38,132
and would kind of like push narratives.

565
00:29:38,132 --> 00:29:42,352
like if they're not going to be directly doing open AI

566
00:29:42,352 --> 00:29:45,992
like lobbying on a social platform level

567
00:29:45,992 --> 00:29:50,332
they are probably going to be shaping tech narratives

568
00:29:50,332 --> 00:29:53,972
that suits open AI

569
00:29:53,972 --> 00:29:57,372
or is just like outright lying, I don't know.

570
00:29:59,212 --> 00:30:02,032
Yeah, I mean they were really popular on

571
00:30:02,032 --> 00:30:06,052
Twitter because I think they would get

572
00:30:06,052 --> 00:30:11,672
the most views, the most everything, just based off of what I've seen.

573
00:30:11,832 --> 00:30:15,272
I would see their clips all the time, especially when it comes to the AI stuff.

574
00:30:15,412 --> 00:30:18,272
They're just like, if you're doing AI and you're not on Twitter,

575
00:30:18,352 --> 00:30:20,832
you're kind of missing the boat on what's going on in AI.

576
00:30:21,692 --> 00:30:25,512
And these guys would always have some of the big names on their thing.

577
00:30:25,692 --> 00:30:26,612
And they're really young.

578
00:30:27,252 --> 00:30:28,232
They're like really young guys.

579
00:30:28,992 --> 00:30:33,692
Apparently, I think he said it in one of the tweets that they knew them,

580
00:30:33,692 --> 00:30:35,672
or one of them knew Sam.

581
00:30:36,052 --> 00:30:40,832
and so I guess through YC, through the YC days.

582
00:30:41,672 --> 00:30:46,072
So it was really cool to see, like, I guess that relationship has kind of flourished,

583
00:30:46,252 --> 00:30:51,292
and it also felt kind of like it was probably, I'm not going to say planned,

584
00:30:51,372 --> 00:30:54,772
but it was definitely talked about probably over dinners, I'd imagine.

585
00:30:55,532 --> 00:30:57,332
And really interesting stuff.

586
00:30:58,752 --> 00:31:00,732
Looking forward to seeing what kind of happens next,

587
00:31:00,832 --> 00:31:02,712
because this definitely gets me on their radar now,

588
00:31:02,792 --> 00:31:05,032
because I wasn't really a listener.

589
00:31:05,032 --> 00:31:10,952
was more of like a clip viewer but uh what i did see in the clips i definitely liked i think the

590
00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:15,132
i think the interviewing style that they do like the back and forth interviewing style is like

591
00:31:15,132 --> 00:31:22,012
really really good it's like really top notch um and then um i'm gonna probably be following them

592
00:31:22,012 --> 00:31:28,272
more closely now because i mean outside of them and the what's the other one the the jace calacan

593
00:31:28,272 --> 00:31:33,852
podcast all in yeah i thought of that one and this one i don't know what other podcasts were

594
00:31:33,852 --> 00:31:36,832
at that level on Twitter that I would see.

595
00:31:38,132 --> 00:31:40,192
But, I mean, it makes sense to stand by.

596
00:31:41,992 --> 00:31:42,432
Interesting.

597
00:31:43,472 --> 00:31:43,912
Cool.

598
00:31:44,012 --> 00:31:46,192
The other big news that was kind of,

599
00:31:46,372 --> 00:31:47,552
I don't know if anybody's talking about this,

600
00:31:47,632 --> 00:31:52,932
but I saw this, that Blockchain Boog posted this week.

601
00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:55,612
U.S. or I should just read the thing.

602
00:31:55,612 --> 00:31:57,072
Japanese and U.S. companies have announced

603
00:31:57,072 --> 00:31:59,572
a launch of Portsmouth Consortium

604
00:31:59,572 --> 00:32:03,172
under the U.S.-Japan strategic trade investment agreement

605
00:32:03,172 --> 00:32:08,472
to support large-scale power generation and AI infrastructure development in Piketon, Ohio.

606
00:32:10,512 --> 00:32:14,752
I don't know if you saw this, but this was, that's a lot of Bitcoin.

607
00:32:16,632 --> 00:32:17,772
Let me close that.

608
00:32:18,992 --> 00:32:19,772
Right there.

609
00:32:21,052 --> 00:32:23,232
9.2 gigawatt.

610
00:32:25,052 --> 00:32:26,312
Topher, what do you think about that?

611
00:32:26,352 --> 00:32:27,232
9.2 gigawatt.

612
00:32:28,192 --> 00:32:30,332
It's enough to travel back in time.

613
00:32:31,652 --> 00:32:32,912
I don't know what you think about that.

614
00:32:33,172 --> 00:32:37,512
Do you think you can travel back in time with only 9.2 gigawatts?

615
00:32:38,392 --> 00:32:43,672
Like once we eventually have time machines or have OpenAI design

616
00:32:43,672 --> 00:32:46,832
and create our time machines for us with Optimus robots,

617
00:32:47,152 --> 00:32:49,432
do you think it will only take 9.2 gigawatts?

618
00:32:49,852 --> 00:32:50,892
I don't know.

619
00:32:50,992 --> 00:32:53,612
I'm only going by like Hollywood math here.

620
00:32:54,092 --> 00:32:54,412
Okay.

621
00:32:55,612 --> 00:32:57,292
I'd love to see that math textbook.

622
00:32:58,052 --> 00:32:59,172
Hollywood math textbook.

623
00:32:59,172 --> 00:33:04,072
but uh they're gonna invest a total of 500 billion to break ground on the data center

624
00:33:04,072 --> 00:33:09,752
uh within this year that's incredible and it's in ohio

625
00:33:09,752 --> 00:33:18,352
bro i guess they're near all that water so they're probably like a lot is there probably

626
00:33:18,352 --> 00:33:24,472
it's probably a lot of um hydro in ohio i imagine or i know there's coal up there too

627
00:33:24,472 --> 00:33:26,072
probably got all kinds of

628
00:33:26,072 --> 00:33:28,692
all kinds of wattage up there.

629
00:33:29,472 --> 00:33:30,812
I guess Boog

630
00:33:30,812 --> 00:33:32,652
got the early leak, I guess. I don't know

631
00:33:32,652 --> 00:33:34,712
what's going on here. Or he falls all this

632
00:33:34,712 --> 00:33:36,852
stuff, right? His thoughts, Boog's

633
00:33:36,852 --> 00:33:38,832
thoughts was in. I ain't watering. 7.5

634
00:33:38,832 --> 00:33:40,712
million. Bitcoin is crazy. KMI

635
00:33:40,712 --> 00:33:42,732
is getting in on this action. This

636
00:33:42,732 --> 00:33:44,812
AI race is something incredible. I really do

637
00:33:44,812 --> 00:33:46,812
believe it's getting so big. If anything starts to

638
00:33:46,812 --> 00:33:48,952
fail, expect a bailout. Exclamation point.

639
00:33:49,252 --> 00:33:49,672
Boog out.

640
00:33:50,692 --> 00:33:51,212
That's what he said.

641
00:33:52,632 --> 00:33:53,252
Boog out!

642
00:33:54,472 --> 00:33:58,752
What do you think, Keon?

643
00:33:59,832 --> 00:34:00,432
About what?

644
00:34:00,752 --> 00:34:01,852
About what Boog said there.

645
00:34:02,992 --> 00:34:06,712
The AO race is incredible, and it's getting big, and it might fail.

646
00:34:06,972 --> 00:34:07,852
Exclamation point.

647
00:34:08,532 --> 00:34:09,972
And it might get bailed out.

648
00:34:11,152 --> 00:34:12,272
Yeah, why not?

649
00:34:12,692 --> 00:34:16,892
That seems consistent with what's happened throughout history,

650
00:34:18,152 --> 00:34:19,352
at least recent history.

651
00:34:19,352 --> 00:34:23,332
Optimism said

652
00:34:23,332 --> 00:34:25,212
just means Bitcoin is undervalued, right?

653
00:34:26,372 --> 00:34:26,692
Right.

654
00:34:27,512 --> 00:34:29,272
Blockchain book says, right. This is my

655
00:34:29,272 --> 00:34:31,412
goal with Stacker News and my construction engineering territory.

656
00:34:32,612 --> 00:34:33,152
The Chronicle.

657
00:34:34,492 --> 00:34:35,272
It's Chronicle

658
00:34:35,272 --> 00:34:37,152
and everything. I love it. Love to see it, boo.

659
00:34:37,992 --> 00:34:39,032
That was the other one.

660
00:34:39,112 --> 00:34:40,952
That was all the AI stories I think I had this week.

661
00:34:42,612 --> 00:34:43,192
Let's jump

662
00:34:43,192 --> 00:34:45,312
into Keyon Stories.

663
00:34:46,572 --> 00:34:47,092
BitProjects

664
00:34:47,092 --> 00:34:49,292
DashIO turns off

665
00:34:49,292 --> 00:34:52,372
If it's 3,000 plus nodes, Bitcoin network keeps on going.

666
00:34:52,812 --> 00:34:53,492
Keon, what's this?

667
00:34:54,272 --> 00:35:01,192
Yeah, so bitprojects.io is a project that someone created to communicate.

668
00:35:01,992 --> 00:35:06,732
It appears that they were attempting to communicate to people that node count doesn't matter

669
00:35:06,732 --> 00:35:12,972
and that you can have with some modest resources.

670
00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:17,692
You could make it appear like one node was several.

671
00:35:17,692 --> 00:35:19,812
in this case several thousand

672
00:35:19,812 --> 00:35:22,392
because there was a lot of

673
00:35:22,392 --> 00:35:24,652
over the last six months or so there's been a lot

674
00:35:24,652 --> 00:35:26,132
specifically from the Nots camp

675
00:35:26,132 --> 00:35:28,392
there's a lot of noise

676
00:35:28,392 --> 00:35:29,132
about

677
00:35:29,132 --> 00:35:32,112
Nots nodes coming online

678
00:35:32,112 --> 00:35:34,412
and I think their point

679
00:35:34,412 --> 00:35:36,392
was that it doesn't really

680
00:35:36,392 --> 00:35:38,032
mean anything it's easy to Sybil

681
00:35:38,032 --> 00:35:40,472
node count because they're not doing any

682
00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:41,572
work they're mostly

683
00:35:41,572 --> 00:35:44,452
residing and they have like

684
00:35:44,452 --> 00:35:46,092
an IP address allocated to them

685
00:35:46,092 --> 00:35:48,252
is at most what you can say about them.

686
00:35:49,352 --> 00:35:52,372
And I guess they bought an IP address block

687
00:35:52,372 --> 00:35:56,012
and with a little bit of networking magic,

688
00:35:57,812 --> 00:36:01,572
I think they made, I think probably tens of nodes

689
00:36:01,572 --> 00:36:03,272
appear like several thousand

690
00:36:03,272 --> 00:36:10,412
and proved I think that you can't rely on node count

691
00:36:10,412 --> 00:36:15,332
for social consensus or any kind of consensus really.

692
00:36:15,332 --> 00:36:17,752
They described the setup there.

693
00:36:18,352 --> 00:36:21,172
They had a 10 gig link.

694
00:36:22,452 --> 00:36:24,692
They had three Dell nodes.

695
00:36:25,672 --> 00:36:29,652
They had half of a rack that was co-located.

696
00:36:31,792 --> 00:36:37,752
And they have other router configuration stuff, HA proxy.

697
00:36:37,752 --> 00:36:40,792
okay yeah they said they had

698
00:36:40,792 --> 00:36:42,932
12 to 36

699
00:36:42,932 --> 00:36:44,972
times LXE

700
00:36:44,972 --> 00:36:45,992
Bitcoin nodes

701
00:36:45,992 --> 00:36:50,572
I think LXE is a container

702
00:36:50,572 --> 00:36:51,232
framework

703
00:36:51,232 --> 00:36:53,712
framework

704
00:36:53,712 --> 00:36:56,392
yeah I just thought that was

705
00:36:56,392 --> 00:36:57,692
I thought that was interesting

706
00:36:57,692 --> 00:37:00,112
so this was specifically

707
00:37:00,112 --> 00:37:02,832
the story was about them shutting down

708
00:37:02,832 --> 00:37:03,992
that project

709
00:37:03,992 --> 00:37:06,632
and a lot of people noticed that they were shutting it down

710
00:37:06,632 --> 00:37:09,372
because they began to get a lot more incoming connections,

711
00:37:09,952 --> 00:37:10,812
like a huge uptick.

712
00:37:12,812 --> 00:37:17,332
0xB10C shared a graph of the increase of incoming connections

713
00:37:17,332 --> 00:37:20,572
that they received because all of the nodes

714
00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:23,452
that were previously connected to these 3,000 fake nodes

715
00:37:23,452 --> 00:37:25,972
needed to find new nodes to connect to,

716
00:37:25,972 --> 00:37:30,892
and everyone's nodes on the network saw new incoming connections.

717
00:37:30,892 --> 00:37:39,372
Yeah, so it looks like the top comment was from through to AD8. He said, so what's the

718
00:37:39,372 --> 00:37:44,852
vulnerability? I don't get it. And then Daryl Zero said, right, that made no sense at all.

719
00:37:45,412 --> 00:37:48,852
What was the point of using all those nodes to signal for a Bitcoin 10 question mark?

720
00:37:50,872 --> 00:37:56,272
Yeah, yeah. The vulnerability was mostly, it's not at like Bitcoin. It's not a vulnerability

721
00:37:56,272 --> 00:38:03,032
in Bitcoin, it's a vulnerability in some of the way Bitcoin influencers on X primarily

722
00:38:03,032 --> 00:38:05,192
were thinking about Bitcoin.

723
00:38:05,472 --> 00:38:16,132
It's a vulnerability in those people's thinking about what node count and version of Bitcoin

724
00:38:16,132 --> 00:38:19,112
software as communicated by node count means.

725
00:38:19,112 --> 00:38:24,692
It means not nothing, maybe not nothing, very close to nothing, practically nothing.

726
00:38:24,832 --> 00:38:26,132
You can't count on it for anything.

727
00:38:26,272 --> 00:38:38,452
interesting stuff um let's jump into the next one that you had it was um

728
00:38:38,452 --> 00:38:47,552
quantum computing bombshells that are not april fools from scott harrison scores we posted it uh

729
00:38:47,552 --> 00:38:55,372
2003 for the success kia uh this week there were two papers that came out about quantum stuff uh

730
00:38:55,372 --> 00:39:06,632
One from Caltech showing that they could do quantum stuff with, I think, less work than they previously thought.

731
00:39:06,752 --> 00:39:11,432
I don't actually understand all the things involved in any of these quantum circuits,

732
00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:21,312
but I guess they changed something about what they were doing and showed that it required less quantum things than it required before.

733
00:39:21,312 --> 00:39:35,832
And then similarly, Google showed that they implemented Shor's algorithm using a quantum circuit that required less qubits than was previously thought, I think, by an order of magnitude.

734
00:39:36,452 --> 00:39:46,872
And then I shared the Scott Aronson thing because he's an independent party who isn't associated with anyone who's, as far as I know, is profiting from one way or another.

735
00:39:46,872 --> 00:39:50,452
He doesn't seem to have a bone to pick against Bitcoin.

736
00:39:50,452 --> 00:39:57,272
and largely his conclusion was that this doesn't really change much

737
00:39:57,272 --> 00:40:03,132
except that there's been maybe once we solve the problem

738
00:40:03,132 --> 00:40:05,232
that quantum computers have not yet solved

739
00:40:05,232 --> 00:40:09,792
that would require breaking electric curves,

740
00:40:12,472 --> 00:40:15,672
this might shorten the timeline a little bit.

741
00:40:15,832 --> 00:40:19,712
But it's still not determinate how long away this is.

742
00:40:19,712 --> 00:40:24,472
And so is it five years, ten years, much longer?

743
00:40:26,572 --> 00:40:32,712
All this does is kind of change what happens as we get, once those fundamental problems are solved,

744
00:40:32,852 --> 00:40:36,132
which are indeterminate, the length of time that it might take to solve them.

745
00:40:36,452 --> 00:40:38,092
Can you give Topher the mic real quick?

746
00:40:38,132 --> 00:40:39,912
Because I know he's working on some quantum stuff.

747
00:40:40,912 --> 00:40:45,412
Yeah, but still kind of keeping that hush-hush.

748
00:40:45,572 --> 00:40:45,832
Okay.

749
00:40:45,832 --> 00:40:47,452
Take that out, Wumble.

750
00:40:47,452 --> 00:40:53,672
yeah i mean i feel like this is this is credible um

751
00:40:53,672 --> 00:40:58,532
i mean this is just like the natural progression of science

752
00:40:58,532 --> 00:41:05,132
and uh there's just too many advantages to quantum computing that um

753
00:41:05,132 --> 00:41:10,332
that yeah this is going to happen eventually it's just a matter of like

754
00:41:10,332 --> 00:41:15,552
is it sooner rather than later and um looks like this person's in austin too

755
00:41:15,552 --> 00:41:19,392
Yeah, they're a professor at YouTube.

756
00:41:19,392 --> 00:41:22,132
Carr, you had this analogy the other day where it's like,

757
00:41:22,132 --> 00:41:25,832
you know, if you have this like crazy neighbor,

758
00:41:25,832 --> 00:41:28,672
and then your neighbor goes out and gets a gun.

759
00:41:28,672 --> 00:41:30,312
That's for in-lab talk only.

760
00:41:30,312 --> 00:41:33,132
You know, maybe it would be nice that you have a gun too.

761
00:41:33,132 --> 00:41:34,632
I didn't say it like that.

762
00:41:34,632 --> 00:41:47,844
I said because people we were asking we got into a big old discussion on quantum inside our slack and stuff and then uh yeah anyway long story short like i was like well it kind of one of those

763
00:41:47,844 --> 00:41:54,024
things where if you're if you're if you're a neighbor meaning like the united states government

764
00:41:54,024 --> 00:42:01,884
is like just like shooting shooting bullets in the air like like throwing ragers like beating his

765
00:42:01,884 --> 00:42:08,204
wife like doing all these different things like at some point uh and and at some point he's like

766
00:42:08,204 --> 00:42:11,864
coming over and knocking on your door and saying hey man you want to come hang out at some point

767
00:42:11,864 --> 00:42:17,184
you're going to be like you know like well maybe i should protect myself just in case because

768
00:42:17,184 --> 00:42:21,564
you know if all i'm saying is like if the government gets a hold of this or if they're

769
00:42:21,564 --> 00:42:26,724
doing something with it like there's no telling what they're going to do with quantum and what

770
00:42:26,724 --> 00:42:32,304
they're going to attack with it so as as the next door neighbor that is bitcoin i think it's probably

771
00:42:32,304 --> 00:42:37,884
wise to like maybe i mean we're always talking about like the government stuff in bitcoin

772
00:42:37,884 --> 00:42:41,624
and i feel like in this one scenario where it's like literally the government

773
00:42:41,624 --> 00:42:46,044
that is building out this stuff quietly and not telling anybody

774
00:42:46,044 --> 00:42:53,884
yeah we're all kind of like oh no but they're good on this stuff like it's like dude they can't

775
00:42:53,884 --> 00:43:00,224
control themselves. Yeah, like why not have like a little quantum protection, right? I don't know.

776
00:43:00,324 --> 00:43:04,724
I don't know. I don't know. I just know that that's kind of analogy. It just makes sense

777
00:43:04,724 --> 00:43:09,824
to maybe have an idea of what's going on. But it looks like everybody does in Bitcoin. I'm not

778
00:43:09,824 --> 00:43:12,984
saying that. I mean, other people are already upgrading to post-quantum cryptography and

779
00:43:12,984 --> 00:43:18,684
different signature schemes. But I think the debate for me personally has already,

780
00:43:19,144 --> 00:43:23,704
like we were talking about narrative earlier, and the narrative is already out there.

781
00:43:23,884 --> 00:43:27,704
So people already believe that quantum's a potential threat to Bitcoin.

782
00:43:27,844 --> 00:43:29,184
That's just what people believe.

783
00:43:29,224 --> 00:43:29,964
I'm not saying it's the truth.

784
00:43:30,064 --> 00:43:31,204
It's just the narrative's out there.

785
00:43:31,244 --> 00:43:32,084
It's already been set.

786
00:43:33,704 --> 00:43:36,784
And, I mean, this is why Sama bought that podcast,

787
00:43:36,924 --> 00:43:37,464
the set narrative.

788
00:43:37,824 --> 00:43:39,924
But I don't know, man.

789
00:43:41,324 --> 00:43:41,584
Yeah.

790
00:43:41,804 --> 00:43:45,524
My concern isn't that, like, there's nothing we can do

791
00:43:45,524 --> 00:43:48,524
because there's actually plenty of things that we can do.

792
00:43:48,524 --> 00:43:55,764
because there's already like post-chronous cryptography that's being implemented all over

793
00:43:55,764 --> 00:44:01,124
the place there's already like standards set for what post-chronous cryptography looks like

794
00:44:01,124 --> 00:44:09,864
like what different algorithms should be used like that process of converting over is already

795
00:44:09,864 --> 00:44:15,964
happening and just in technology in general so it's just a matter of like okay well when is bitcoin

796
00:44:15,964 --> 00:44:21,724
going to do it and like what is it going to take for bitcoin to do it like uh is it going to take

797
00:44:21,724 --> 00:44:26,584
an attack is it going to take like somebody actually proving that a key was compromised

798
00:44:26,584 --> 00:44:35,324
and that funds were stolen um and when is it like too late you know like my what my concern is

799
00:44:35,324 --> 00:44:42,944
that nothing happens until there's a provable attack that happens on bitcoin and then

800
00:44:42,944 --> 00:44:51,164
we're going to all panic and go oh shit okay let's like grab whatever bip is nearby on the

801
00:44:51,164 --> 00:44:55,604
shelf and we're going to slap that on there and then there's going to be like a mad dash for the

802
00:44:55,604 --> 00:45:01,424
exit where like everybody's like rushing to now upgrade their money so that they're like moving

803
00:45:01,424 --> 00:45:07,564
funds into like some sort of post quantum address and that's just going to be like a really messy

804
00:45:07,564 --> 00:45:14,344
panicky transition versus like a nice smooth you know you know let's like do this fairly

805
00:45:14,344 --> 00:45:21,244
if we if we were to just like start making this transition a lot earlier not needing some sort of

806
00:45:21,244 --> 00:45:27,464
like disaster scenario to get our asses in gear like that that's my worry what is it going to take

807
00:45:27,464 --> 00:45:33,564
for like bitcoin to start making this transition i was i'm working on a piece like i started

808
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:38,544
researching some stuff last night. I'm going to write it out this weekend, but I really do think

809
00:45:38,544 --> 00:45:49,924
we're at a place now where people's decision-making is now, like if this whole narrative

810
00:45:49,924 --> 00:45:58,324
is the truth type of world we live in, it feels like it is, it does seem like people have stopped

811
00:45:58,324 --> 00:46:04,304
separating people and facts and

812
00:46:04,304 --> 00:46:09,844
vibes from what's actually important.

813
00:46:10,324 --> 00:46:11,284
If that makes any sense.

814
00:46:11,364 --> 00:46:12,504
It's almost like it's,

815
00:46:13,424 --> 00:46:14,424
I need to write it out,

816
00:46:14,464 --> 00:46:16,464
but it's almost like it's trying to,

817
00:46:16,904 --> 00:46:19,224
people are subjecting themselves

818
00:46:19,224 --> 00:46:22,184
to this narrative and all this stuff,

819
00:46:22,804 --> 00:46:25,224
but are failing to realize that,

820
00:46:25,344 --> 00:46:26,324
like, the most important thing is,

821
00:46:26,424 --> 00:46:27,444
like, Bitcoin keeps going.

822
00:46:28,324 --> 00:46:29,504
I'm not saying that's happening.

823
00:46:29,584 --> 00:46:34,864
I'm just saying, like, there's some people on the other side of this that are just, like, they don't even want to look at that.

824
00:46:34,944 --> 00:46:35,984
They don't even want to talk about it.

825
00:46:35,984 --> 00:46:44,444
They don't even want to, like, they can't step outside themselves to see, like, to assess it, like, rigorously with, like, reason and stuff like that.

826
00:46:45,104 --> 00:46:46,204
That's kind of my whole thing.

827
00:46:46,284 --> 00:46:56,304
It's just I'm just surprised that a lot of people aren't even, like, taking it seriously enough to, like, reason through some of the probabilities.

828
00:46:57,364 --> 00:46:57,544
Yeah.

829
00:46:58,324 --> 00:47:00,024
How do you wake people up, Carr?

830
00:47:00,684 --> 00:47:01,064
I don't know.

831
00:47:01,304 --> 00:47:02,684
How do you go, like, wake up sheeple?

832
00:47:03,604 --> 00:47:04,024
I don't know.

833
00:47:04,164 --> 00:47:04,884
I would be curious.

834
00:47:05,184 --> 00:47:08,064
So when they do this stuff, Topher, are they using, like,

835
00:47:09,464 --> 00:47:13,244
like, are they using AI to, like, not to write this, obviously,

836
00:47:13,364 --> 00:47:14,824
or maybe they are, I don't know, but, like,

837
00:47:15,464 --> 00:47:20,104
I would imagine they have access to AI to, like, figure out.

838
00:47:20,104 --> 00:47:22,524
This is why we're seeing a lot of this, like.

839
00:47:22,524 --> 00:47:31,664
oh they're using AI to make what technological breakthroughs yeah oh absolutely okay absolutely

840
00:47:31,664 --> 00:47:35,304
they're doing I was curious about that like because we've seen like a couple of these

841
00:47:35,304 --> 00:47:43,124
behind closed doors and then get released later yeah yeah it's pretty crazy to see

842
00:47:43,124 --> 00:47:46,944
yeah I mean

843
00:47:46,944 --> 00:47:50,344
you know I've seen whispers

844
00:47:50,344 --> 00:47:54,524
people post stuff online where it's like hey I've been like working with

845
00:47:54,524 --> 00:47:58,684
Claude or Codex and putting together

846
00:47:58,684 --> 00:48:02,404
like different math proofs and like solving like these like complex

847
00:48:02,404 --> 00:48:06,704
problems doing like combinations of like humans

848
00:48:06,704 --> 00:48:10,544
and AIs where they'll like sort of like formulate

849
00:48:10,544 --> 00:48:13,164
ways to

850
00:48:13,164 --> 00:48:16,204
figure out these tough problems

851
00:48:16,204 --> 00:48:16,884
in mathematics

852
00:48:16,884 --> 00:48:19,364
and cryptography

853
00:48:19,364 --> 00:48:21,744
and then figure out

854
00:48:21,744 --> 00:48:23,164
some sort of solution

855
00:48:23,164 --> 00:48:26,124
and then have other

856
00:48:26,124 --> 00:48:27,004
researchers just

857
00:48:27,004 --> 00:48:29,464
shit test it basically.

858
00:48:31,464 --> 00:48:32,324
I feel like

859
00:48:32,324 --> 00:48:34,224
AI is accelerating that because

860
00:48:34,224 --> 00:48:36,384
you can research

861
00:48:36,384 --> 00:48:38,244
things so much more

862
00:48:38,244 --> 00:48:40,264
quickly and the

863
00:48:40,264 --> 00:48:43,644
AI, it's domain knowledge is so massive.

864
00:48:44,364 --> 00:48:46,044
It just has this understanding of everything.

865
00:48:48,484 --> 00:48:55,344
Yeah, so there's just crazy things happening in math, chemistry, biology, material science.

866
00:48:55,584 --> 00:48:57,844
There's all these crazy advances that are happening.

867
00:48:58,044 --> 00:49:00,204
It's got to be happening in quantum, too.

868
00:49:02,024 --> 00:49:02,764
But yeah.

869
00:49:03,604 --> 00:49:09,124
I also think, too, I think the other really interesting thing that I've seen over and over is they're like,

870
00:49:09,124 --> 00:49:14,384
oh but they won't attack bitcoin they'll attack all these other structures that the government

871
00:49:14,384 --> 00:49:18,124
controls and they're like but the one thing the government doesn't control is bitcoin and they're

872
00:49:18,124 --> 00:49:22,384
like oh but they're not going to attack that i'm like that's just dumb that's like saying like the

873
00:49:22,384 --> 00:49:27,884
whole neighbor thing it's like oh i'm i'm okay because i'm friends with them it's like no dude

874
00:49:27,884 --> 00:49:33,104
eventually eventually he's going to come after you too i don't i just don't believe that i think

875
00:49:33,104 --> 00:49:37,684
that's just dumb thinking like that the government won't attack bitcoin once they have quantum

876
00:49:37,684 --> 00:49:43,704
figured out uh i mean why i mean why not i i feel like it's a it's like the first thing to get

877
00:49:43,704 --> 00:49:51,384
people's attention well so like there's this thing where um you'll have these insiders that know

878
00:49:51,384 --> 00:49:59,044
something whether it's like in a big company or in government and so they know something that the

879
00:49:59,044 --> 00:50:07,504
public doesn't and so they'll go on polymarket and they'll like place these bets and you know

880
00:50:07,504 --> 00:50:11,044
then the, then X happens and then they cash out and they make a bunch of money.

881
00:50:11,044 --> 00:50:11,664
And it's like, well,

882
00:50:11,664 --> 00:50:16,664
were they just really lucky in predicting that X would happen or did they have

883
00:50:16,664 --> 00:50:21,744
like insider knowledge? And so, you know, a quantum attack on Bitcoin,

884
00:50:21,744 --> 00:50:26,504
it's not just like about stealing money from Bitcoin, a Bitcoiner.

885
00:50:26,864 --> 00:50:28,584
It's more like, well,

886
00:50:28,704 --> 00:50:30,824
you're going to cause this mass panic in the market.

887
00:50:30,824 --> 00:50:35,724
And then that movement itself is an asymmetry you can make money on,

888
00:50:35,804 --> 00:50:36,644
like tons of money on.

889
00:50:36,824 --> 00:50:36,924
Yeah.

890
00:50:36,924 --> 00:50:48,444
So I would think of it like what is the dollar sign value on doing a quantum attack on Bitcoin from that perspective, like moving the market itself?

891
00:50:50,344 --> 00:50:52,104
It's got to be a lot of dollar signs.

892
00:50:52,564 --> 00:50:57,504
I will say if the government's listening right now and they're thinking about attacking Bitcoin, go after Ethereum first.

893
00:50:59,124 --> 00:51:03,344
Go after some of these other poop coins first.

894
00:51:03,344 --> 00:51:08,724
and then and then that way we get the we get the jump on it that's all i would ask yeah do

895
00:51:08,724 --> 00:51:12,984
even like argue about this thing i'm waiting for you right there just go attack do you think

896
00:51:12,984 --> 00:51:18,444
ethbros argue about like this quantum stuff no because this is this is like because they can just

897
00:51:18,444 --> 00:51:22,544
print more right like i feel like with bitcoiners we're a little bit more serious about it or it

898
00:51:22,544 --> 00:51:28,064
should be but not everybody is i would just advocate let's go after ethereum first let's

899
00:51:28,064 --> 00:51:32,504
go after some of these other shit coins let's like if you have a quantum computer don't go after

900
00:51:32,504 --> 00:51:34,684
Bitcoin. That's all the money

901
00:51:34,684 --> 00:51:36,664
is. Yeah, I know.

902
00:51:37,984 --> 00:51:38,744
I'm saying

903
00:51:38,744 --> 00:51:39,084
like

904
00:51:39,084 --> 00:51:42,764
yeah. Anyways.

905
00:51:43,284 --> 00:51:44,544
Yeah, that's the quantum thing

906
00:51:44,544 --> 00:51:46,604
this week. Kian, do you have

907
00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:48,504
any other thoughts on it? Yeah, I'm good.

908
00:51:49,144 --> 00:51:50,664
Okay. Kian's done

909
00:51:50,664 --> 00:51:51,244
with the quantum

910
00:51:51,244 --> 00:51:53,144
quantum fud.

911
00:51:53,144 --> 00:51:57,124
People were talking about it, so I was like,

912
00:51:57,224 --> 00:51:59,004
let's mention someone

913
00:51:59,004 --> 00:52:00,864
who I would listen to

914
00:52:00,864 --> 00:52:05,404
the guy who I've been paying attention to

915
00:52:05,404 --> 00:52:06,584
around the quantum stuff.

916
00:52:07,724 --> 00:52:09,904
I don't get it all.

917
00:52:11,504 --> 00:52:13,184
But I want...

918
00:52:13,184 --> 00:52:15,084
That's how I keep track, more or less,

919
00:52:15,144 --> 00:52:16,204
is by listening to that guy.

920
00:52:16,924 --> 00:52:17,904
The Scott Anderson guy.

921
00:52:19,104 --> 00:52:19,324
Yeah.

922
00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:20,904
Check it out.

923
00:52:20,984 --> 00:52:21,624
Scott Anderson.

924
00:52:23,064 --> 00:52:24,644
ScottEarson.blog

925
00:52:24,644 --> 00:52:26,544
Yeah.

926
00:52:26,984 --> 00:52:28,684
I know Toby's been playing with some of this stuff,

927
00:52:28,924 --> 00:52:30,244
or he was telling me it was, so...

928
00:52:30,244 --> 00:52:31,924
He said it's quiet, though.

929
00:52:32,244 --> 00:52:34,724
I've said it twice, but they already know now.

930
00:52:35,044 --> 00:52:37,304
But anyway, Topher, keep me in the loop.

931
00:52:38,064 --> 00:52:38,964
Keep us in the loop.

932
00:52:40,304 --> 00:52:41,404
Anyways, cool stuff.

933
00:52:41,524 --> 00:52:44,004
We're going to jump into Keon's final story this week.

934
00:52:44,004 --> 00:52:49,064
It was, what problems exist when intelligence is free?

935
00:52:49,864 --> 00:52:53,624
This is from Roy, the Holograph Universe.

936
00:52:54,184 --> 00:52:54,984
650 comments.

937
00:52:55,124 --> 00:52:55,664
Keon, what's this?

938
00:52:56,484 --> 00:52:58,744
Yeah, I just thought this was an interesting question.

939
00:52:58,744 --> 00:53:03,784
or it led me to an interesting conclusion

940
00:53:03,784 --> 00:53:05,584
that I didn't really have before,

941
00:53:05,744 --> 00:53:09,764
which was that I think we all assume

942
00:53:09,764 --> 00:53:11,784
that when we have infinite intelligence

943
00:53:11,784 --> 00:53:15,764
and it's free and abundant and ubiquitous

944
00:53:15,764 --> 00:53:18,224
that all of our problems are solved.

945
00:53:19,124 --> 00:53:20,624
And I think that's probably wrong.

946
00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:25,424
I think intelligence is a serious bottleneck for us right now,

947
00:53:25,484 --> 00:53:28,144
but I would guess that once intelligence is solved,

948
00:53:28,144 --> 00:53:30,324
We'll find another bottleneck shortly after.

949
00:53:31,144 --> 00:53:35,884
And I came to this conclusion after I was, I think I was asked on a Saturday,

950
00:53:35,884 --> 00:53:39,064
and I was talking to Space Ted, and Space Ted was like,

951
00:53:39,644 --> 00:53:43,424
there was some anecdote where a group of people were asked,

952
00:53:43,704 --> 00:53:45,484
what is the meaning of life?

953
00:53:45,584 --> 00:53:46,544
And they said food.

954
00:53:47,624 --> 00:53:50,704
And that's because food was the main problem,

955
00:53:50,804 --> 00:53:53,164
like scarcity of food was the main problem that they were facing.

956
00:53:53,164 --> 00:53:59,544
And so, like, all of their life was reduced to attempting to acquire more food.

957
00:53:59,864 --> 00:54:02,464
And I think that's kind of the situation that we're in right now.

958
00:54:02,564 --> 00:54:04,244
But rather than food, it's intelligence.

959
00:54:04,684 --> 00:54:07,604
And so we're, like, constrained around intelligence.

960
00:54:07,744 --> 00:54:12,764
We see that as, like, our main bottleneck to getting kind of what we want

961
00:54:12,764 --> 00:54:13,824
or having the life that we want.

962
00:54:13,884 --> 00:54:17,484
And we have to spend all this time exercising our own intelligence.

963
00:54:17,484 --> 00:54:21,004
and anyway, that was kind of,

964
00:54:22,484 --> 00:54:23,104
that's kind of,

965
00:54:23,284 --> 00:54:24,104
so I don't have an answer

966
00:54:24,104 --> 00:54:26,564
of what exact problem will exist

967
00:54:26,564 --> 00:54:29,024
because I think I'm too blinded

968
00:54:29,024 --> 00:54:31,604
by our need for more intelligence

969
00:54:31,604 --> 00:54:34,484
to come up with that answer,

970
00:54:34,584 --> 00:54:35,944
but I would guess there definitely

971
00:54:35,944 --> 00:54:37,504
are other things on the side of,

972
00:54:38,464 --> 00:54:40,224
or other problems on the other side

973
00:54:40,224 --> 00:54:41,824
of free intelligence.

974
00:54:43,104 --> 00:54:44,824
Yeah, I think the biggest

975
00:54:44,824 --> 00:54:46,484
interesting thing about this is like,

976
00:54:47,484 --> 00:54:54,524
You know, when you have, like you said, it was like a free intelligence thing.

977
00:54:54,584 --> 00:55:00,324
I think the only other thing to work on at that point is, like, virtues and your capacity to love.

978
00:55:00,684 --> 00:55:08,024
And I think that's, to me, it's probably more of a chance now to be a well-rounded person.

979
00:55:08,784 --> 00:55:13,964
I mean, that sounds kind of hokey, but it's kind of like, yeah, kind of like you said,

980
00:55:13,964 --> 00:55:15,964
in a world where intelligence is free

981
00:55:15,964 --> 00:55:18,324
and you're never going to be satisfied

982
00:55:18,324 --> 00:55:19,344
because you're going to have that thirst.

983
00:55:19,444 --> 00:55:23,184
The only thing to work on outside of that

984
00:55:23,184 --> 00:55:24,264
is all these other things

985
00:55:24,264 --> 00:55:30,004
that you could only get by things that aren't free, right?

986
00:55:32,964 --> 00:55:33,484
Yeah.

987
00:55:35,924 --> 00:55:37,484
Perhaps at an individual level,

988
00:55:37,484 --> 00:55:40,644
there'll still be a problem of being happy,

989
00:55:40,864 --> 00:55:42,784
feeling good about yourself.

990
00:55:43,964 --> 00:55:49,604
that kind of ethical, moral

991
00:55:49,604 --> 00:55:51,664
problem still exists.

992
00:55:51,684 --> 00:55:52,884
Yeah, the interior life, yeah.

993
00:55:53,624 --> 00:55:54,844
It's like the stuff that

994
00:55:54,844 --> 00:55:56,824
intelligence can't solve.

995
00:55:57,724 --> 00:55:59,344
Yeah, I think that beyond that

996
00:55:59,344 --> 00:56:01,264
I think there are exterior problems that

997
00:56:01,264 --> 00:56:03,364
intelligence also won't be able to solve.

998
00:56:04,564 --> 00:56:05,404
And it's just

999
00:56:05,404 --> 00:56:07,424
really hard to see that until we

1000
00:56:07,424 --> 00:56:08,584
run into them.

1001
00:56:09,044 --> 00:56:11,464
Because it's not like the hunter-gatherers

1002
00:56:11,464 --> 00:56:12,144
would have said that

1003
00:56:12,144 --> 00:56:19,264
centered their lives around food and were mostly limited by food ever anticipated that after they

1004
00:56:19,264 --> 00:56:26,664
had all this food, they would approach a period of time where they needed to build massive 9.2

1005
00:56:26,664 --> 00:56:34,724
gigawatt data centers that cost $500 billion using money from multiple nations harvested by taxes

1006
00:56:34,724 --> 00:56:38,824
around the world so that they construct an intelligence

1007
00:56:38,824 --> 00:56:42,524
to begin solving problems for them.

1008
00:56:44,004 --> 00:56:45,044
I don't think they would have.

1009
00:56:45,204 --> 00:56:46,004
Like, they can't predict that.

1010
00:56:46,104 --> 00:56:47,024
And so I think we'll see.

1011
00:56:47,364 --> 00:56:50,044
Like, there will be a version of that for modern peoples.

1012
00:56:50,764 --> 00:56:54,904
Yeah, but, like, if you, you know, take an alternative approach to that,

1013
00:56:55,024 --> 00:56:59,264
like, a lot of the things that we got early on back then was through love, right?

1014
00:56:59,304 --> 00:57:01,364
It was, like, through love of a neighbor.

1015
00:57:01,364 --> 00:57:08,004
that led to community love of another woman that led to more children further prospering generations

1016
00:57:08,004 --> 00:57:13,224
and and yeah i think now we're kind of getting to a point where people are losing sight of love and

1017
00:57:13,224 --> 00:57:20,384
and what that brings into the world and um it's it seems more i mean yeah it seems just a little

1018
00:57:20,384 --> 00:57:27,364
more greedy out there than used to um and uh makes you wonder like how that's going to play out

1019
00:57:27,364 --> 00:57:32,664
at least for me that's what i'm wondering it's like okay cool like let's go down this path and

1020
00:57:32,664 --> 00:57:38,004
see how that plays out but it's um that's why it's worrisome i would say it's because it's not

1021
00:57:38,004 --> 00:57:44,904
coming from a place of love that's uh building things up yeah i could see i could see problems

1022
00:57:44,904 --> 00:57:49,244
like that i mean you know maybe the problem is once you know once intelligence is free there's

1023
00:57:49,244 --> 00:57:57,124
you know humans go extinct uh um and they're you know these interior human problems aren't really

1024
00:57:57,124 --> 00:58:02,744
much of a problem but just thinking about it more from like a technology as the protagonist

1025
00:58:02,744 --> 00:58:10,284
independent of humans what problem does technology face or progress face that was initiated by humans

1026
00:58:10,284 --> 00:58:16,224
what does it face i think yeah i think technology is like the lack of a human involvement is probably

1027
00:58:16,224 --> 00:58:20,524
the biggest problem it faces but i think until it and i think maybe like the robots will figure

1028
00:58:20,524 --> 00:58:25,984
that out and then we'll be extinct i mean that's kind of i mean they're gonna i mean but see that

1029
00:58:25,984 --> 00:58:32,524
kind of goes into kind of what like all these big AI guys talk about around like

1030
00:58:32,524 --> 00:58:38,024
where this is headed and why they're so nervous about it. I don't know. Anon said

1031
00:58:38,024 --> 00:58:41,224
something because one problem is that intelligence will be more free for some

1032
00:58:41,224 --> 00:58:46,264
than for others. We don't all have vast reserves of oil or nuclear power stations

1033
00:58:46,264 --> 00:58:50,944
with which to power the intelligence. Also there is will be the problem of evil

1034
00:58:50,944 --> 00:58:55,324
people with lots of money combining it with robotics to form enormous armies.

1035
00:58:55,324 --> 00:58:57,984
where all soldiers are going to connect to each other

1036
00:58:57,984 --> 00:58:59,764
as well as a super brain

1037
00:58:59,764 --> 00:59:01,884
that will lead other states to do the same

1038
00:59:01,884 --> 00:59:03,724
in order to be able to defend themselves,

1039
00:59:03,924 --> 00:59:06,204
which then leads to states with the power

1040
00:59:06,204 --> 00:59:08,304
to deploy vast robotic armies on their own

1041
00:59:08,304 --> 00:59:10,324
or stepping into the matrix,

1042
00:59:10,504 --> 00:59:12,224
or if they step out of the matrix.

1043
00:59:13,344 --> 00:59:14,044
Yeah, I think it's fair.

1044
00:59:14,224 --> 00:59:16,624
I think it won't be absolutely free.

1045
00:59:16,824 --> 00:59:18,244
Intelligence won't be absolutely free.

1046
00:59:18,244 --> 00:59:22,944
But if it's super desirable,

1047
00:59:22,944 --> 00:59:28,664
and I think unlike something like nuclear weapons,

1048
00:59:29,644 --> 00:59:31,764
it can't be hoarded and controlled as easily.

1049
00:59:33,024 --> 00:59:35,944
I would guess that there will be,

1050
00:59:36,864 --> 00:59:39,444
the intelligence will be widely dispersed enough

1051
00:59:39,444 --> 00:59:42,224
that large groups of people,

1052
00:59:42,484 --> 00:59:46,064
should they want to rise up against a central authority,

1053
00:59:46,764 --> 00:59:47,784
might not, but shouldn't,

1054
00:59:47,924 --> 00:59:49,504
I don't imagine they'll have a hard time

1055
00:59:49,504 --> 00:59:55,704
relative to more traditional weaponry or more kinetic weaponry.

1056
00:59:56,204 --> 01:00:00,844
Yeah, then Dan posted a link to his article that he wrote last month,

1057
01:00:00,944 --> 01:00:03,164
which I think we covered if I remember correctly.

1058
01:00:07,584 --> 01:00:08,424
It's interesting.

1059
01:00:09,824 --> 01:00:11,584
I'm here for it every week.

1060
01:00:13,744 --> 01:00:16,584
Let's go back to...

1061
01:00:16,584 --> 01:00:21,904
yeah, let's go to my top stories this week.

1062
01:00:22,144 --> 01:00:25,784
The first one is the privacy attacks on lightning you need to know about.

1063
01:00:26,324 --> 01:00:27,484
This is from Sopratic.

1064
01:00:29,304 --> 01:00:32,564
He said that blinded paths are a real improvement.

1065
01:00:33,064 --> 01:00:34,184
They're not a magic shield.

1066
01:00:34,424 --> 01:00:37,544
Don't let anyone tell you they make your node untraceable.

1067
01:00:37,544 --> 01:00:39,644
Here are the actual attacks to keep in mind.

1068
01:00:39,904 --> 01:00:44,404
And then he said the CLTV correlation, graph analysis on small nodes,

1069
01:00:44,404 --> 01:00:47,404
payment probing, introduction, and node visibility.

1070
01:00:48,304 --> 01:00:51,904
And then we got some spicy comments here from Darth.

1071
01:00:53,484 --> 01:00:54,904
Kian, do you have any thoughts on this?

1072
01:00:55,904 --> 01:00:58,164
No, I mean, Lightning privacy isn't perfect.

1073
01:00:58,324 --> 01:01:00,484
I mean, most systems, if you analyze them,

1074
01:01:00,484 --> 01:01:05,604
they always have some gap between what would be ideal,

1075
01:01:06,624 --> 01:01:10,744
like zero information leak or whatever.

1076
01:01:10,744 --> 01:01:19,684
And so Lightning has some exposed privacy edges that we tend to enumerate over time

1077
01:01:19,684 --> 01:01:21,764
and try to knock them off one by one.

1078
01:01:22,004 --> 01:01:25,344
And these are definitely some of them.

1079
01:01:26,884 --> 01:01:35,084
It looks like you shared the route blinding attack analysis that TBAS and Rusty put together here.

1080
01:01:37,404 --> 01:01:39,064
What is route blinding?

1081
01:01:39,444 --> 01:01:39,864
Blinding.

1082
01:01:40,744 --> 01:01:42,604
Oh, is this the onion thing?

1083
01:01:43,864 --> 01:01:44,264
Interesting.

1084
01:01:46,704 --> 01:01:47,144
Cool.

1085
01:01:47,764 --> 01:01:49,164
Well, it looks like they're working on it.

1086
01:01:49,844 --> 01:01:51,164
That's always good to see, right?

1087
01:01:52,744 --> 01:01:53,184
Yes.

1088
01:01:53,184 --> 01:01:55,304
I think it'll be more private over time.

1089
01:01:55,404 --> 01:01:59,244
It's definitely private now if you know how to do it from what the guy's filming in the lab.

1090
01:02:00,084 --> 01:02:01,064
Certainly for paying.

1091
01:02:01,404 --> 01:02:02,544
Pay or privacy is great.

1092
01:02:02,544 --> 01:02:11,944
I think these are, I think Supratic is most, some of these are enumerating issues that primarily reside on the receiver side.

1093
01:02:12,764 --> 01:02:14,624
I did try the Lex app.

1094
01:02:14,704 --> 01:02:15,744
I did download it.

1095
01:02:17,224 --> 01:02:18,124
Where is it at?

1096
01:02:18,204 --> 01:02:19,244
The Lex one?

1097
01:02:19,524 --> 01:02:20,684
Yeah, I downloaded that one.

1098
01:02:21,764 --> 01:02:22,984
I could not connect to now.

1099
01:02:23,084 --> 01:02:23,704
Try again later.

1100
01:02:23,844 --> 01:02:24,264
I'll find it.

1101
01:02:24,344 --> 01:02:24,804
Never mind.

1102
01:02:25,384 --> 01:02:35,616
It not working It was working last week Anyways Did you get a channel open with them Not yet It a nice wallet

1103
01:02:35,776 --> 01:02:40,336
I think it's a great competitor to something like Phoenix, I think,

1104
01:02:40,416 --> 01:02:44,916
that really hasn't had real mobile competition in a long time.

1105
01:02:45,176 --> 01:02:47,176
At least a solution that doesn't use swaps,

1106
01:02:47,636 --> 01:02:51,956
like Breeze or some of these Spark wallets.

1107
01:02:52,236 --> 01:02:52,676
Yeah.

1108
01:02:52,676 --> 01:02:57,916
Yeah, and then Darth had a question back to him.

1109
01:02:58,016 --> 01:02:59,736
He said, who's going to attack me and for what?

1110
01:03:00,136 --> 01:03:02,056
Darth said, yes, blinded paths are a good improvement,

1111
01:03:02,216 --> 01:03:04,936
but I will challenge you to trace my LN payments if you can.

1112
01:03:07,116 --> 01:03:08,556
Yeah, he goes, in my humble opinion,

1113
01:03:08,756 --> 01:03:10,076
it's more important to run a Lightning node

1114
01:03:10,076 --> 01:03:14,176
than just a simple BTC core or NONTS or whatever other one node.

1115
01:03:15,516 --> 01:03:16,456
Yeah, there you go.

1116
01:03:16,836 --> 01:03:18,636
Trevor, you got any thoughts on privacy attacks on Lightning?

1117
01:03:19,296 --> 01:03:19,816
On Lightning?

1118
01:03:20,156 --> 01:03:20,336
Yeah.

1119
01:03:20,336 --> 01:03:23,556
Any of those stand out?

1120
01:03:25,816 --> 01:03:28,556
I mean, these have been well known for a while.

1121
01:03:30,556 --> 01:03:32,936
But, yeah, they're important.

1122
01:03:34,416 --> 01:03:34,896
Cool.

1123
01:03:34,976 --> 01:03:40,556
Because, yeah, there's this concept that lighting is private.

1124
01:03:41,936 --> 01:03:45,316
But there are ways that you can be de-anonymized.

1125
01:03:46,536 --> 01:03:48,296
So it's a good thing to know.

1126
01:03:48,296 --> 01:03:52,636
there you go

1127
01:03:52,636 --> 01:03:57,276
we're going to jump into

1128
01:03:57,276 --> 01:03:59,216
my last top story this week

1129
01:03:59,216 --> 01:04:00,436
this was from Need Creations

1130
01:04:00,436 --> 01:04:01,856
he posted

1131
01:04:01,856 --> 01:04:03,356
where are you sitting

1132
01:04:03,356 --> 01:04:05,276
and then he posted

1133
01:04:05,276 --> 01:04:06,536
The Last Supper

1134
01:04:06,536 --> 01:04:09,036
painting by Leonardo da Vinci

1135
01:04:09,036 --> 01:04:10,256
Keon

1136
01:04:10,256 --> 01:04:13,596
do you know what this painting is about

1137
01:04:13,596 --> 01:04:17,476
I think this is a supper that Jesus

1138
01:04:17,476 --> 01:04:19,276
had with his apostles before

1139
01:04:19,276 --> 01:04:20,216
he was murdered?

1140
01:04:21,276 --> 01:04:22,316
Yeah, so this actually,

1141
01:04:23,316 --> 01:04:24,956
because he puts here, like, where are you sitting?

1142
01:04:25,296 --> 01:04:27,396
This is actually not them just like eating

1143
01:04:27,396 --> 01:04:29,496
supper. This is when Jesus announced

1144
01:04:29,496 --> 01:04:31,416
to them that one of them was going to

1145
01:04:31,416 --> 01:04:33,276
betray him. And so

1146
01:04:33,276 --> 01:04:37,316
it's interesting to see

1147
01:04:37,316 --> 01:04:40,016
everybody's

1148
01:04:40,016 --> 01:04:47,056
kind of asking questions like, who?

1149
01:04:47,476 --> 01:04:49,476
This is probably like John right here.

1150
01:04:51,816 --> 01:04:52,736
Apostle John.

1151
01:04:55,256 --> 01:04:55,736
Yeah.

1152
01:04:59,416 --> 01:05:00,956
I guess they didn't have razors yet.

1153
01:05:01,096 --> 01:05:02,496
Where are you sitting, Keon?

1154
01:05:04,636 --> 01:05:05,756
I'm probably not.

1155
01:05:06,496 --> 01:05:08,276
I'm probably not sitting.

1156
01:05:08,396 --> 01:05:09,136
I might be standing.

1157
01:05:09,736 --> 01:05:13,096
I don't know if they have standing desks yet back then,

1158
01:05:13,196 --> 01:05:15,856
but maybe I'd use one of those.

1159
01:05:15,856 --> 01:05:17,496
so I'm probably

1160
01:05:17,496 --> 01:05:20,036
not that special to be in there but

1161
01:05:20,036 --> 01:05:21,336
definitely

1162
01:05:21,336 --> 01:05:22,556
listening

1163
01:05:22,556 --> 01:05:26,056
I want to share these because I thought this was cool because today's

1164
01:05:26,056 --> 01:05:27,616
Good Friday and

1165
01:05:27,616 --> 01:05:30,076
this is what's happening around the

1166
01:05:30,076 --> 01:05:31,936
world on this special

1167
01:05:31,936 --> 01:05:32,416
day

1168
01:05:32,416 --> 01:05:35,556
there's the Pope there

1169
01:05:35,556 --> 01:05:38,136
carrying the cross which is a big thing

1170
01:05:38,136 --> 01:05:38,476
because

1171
01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:41,856
I think the past two haven't done that

1172
01:05:41,856 --> 01:05:45,756
people here

1173
01:05:45,756 --> 01:05:52,396
Then we have other people redoing like reenactments of the crucifixion

1174
01:05:53,276 --> 01:05:57,516
And people here. I don't know where that's at. That's like that New York or Brooklyn

1175
01:05:58,396 --> 01:06:00,396
Yeah

1176
01:06:00,396 --> 01:06:02,396
We have

1177
01:06:04,156 --> 01:06:09,116
People here, oh man, they're just coming up everywhere more people here. These are like I think this is

1178
01:06:10,236 --> 01:06:12,236
in India, yeah

1179
01:06:12,236 --> 01:06:16,036
We have this lady here.

1180
01:06:16,816 --> 01:06:17,896
She's like really crying.

1181
01:06:20,616 --> 01:06:22,516
Then we have some more stuff here.

1182
01:06:23,596 --> 01:06:25,876
That was on, that's in Germany.

1183
01:06:27,156 --> 01:06:28,756
Everybody's doing the reenactments.

1184
01:06:28,756 --> 01:06:43,616
gosh you get so bloody to watch

1185
01:06:43,616 --> 01:06:47,156
yeah

1186
01:06:47,156 --> 01:06:50,116
I think the other one was

1187
01:06:50,116 --> 01:06:51,876
this one here this was from the Guardian

1188
01:06:51,876 --> 01:06:54,236
they also shared some photos

1189
01:06:54,236 --> 01:06:55,216
from around the world

1190
01:06:55,216 --> 01:06:59,796
a lot of reenactments

1191
01:06:59,796 --> 01:07:07,076
I was in Spain by accident

1192
01:07:07,076 --> 01:07:09,176
one year when they did Good Friday

1193
01:07:09,176 --> 01:07:10,716
and it was quite

1194
01:07:10,716 --> 01:07:12,716
there was a lot of festivities

1195
01:07:12,716 --> 01:07:14,096
it was quite fun actually

1196
01:07:14,096 --> 01:07:16,196
a lot of stuff in the streets

1197
01:07:16,196 --> 01:07:16,836
lots of

1198
01:07:16,836 --> 01:07:19,836
parade-y type

1199
01:07:19,836 --> 01:07:22,136
activities

1200
01:07:22,136 --> 01:07:33,336
yeah so um it was um pretty uh pretty out there really interesting to see

1201
01:07:33,336 --> 01:07:43,636
um good friday but yeah thanks to neat creations posting this um and uh yeah

1202
01:07:43,636 --> 01:07:51,076
we're gonna jump into all the uh oh we have one more we have actually two more

1203
01:07:51,076 --> 01:07:52,436
I forgot about these.

1204
01:07:52,876 --> 01:07:54,976
So, Pleb Poet released another zine this week.

1205
01:07:55,056 --> 01:07:58,876
This one's called Snacker New Zine, Making the Ephemeral Immortal.

1206
01:08:00,376 --> 01:08:01,856
Kian, did you take a look at this one yet?

1207
01:08:02,356 --> 01:08:03,176
It's not a zine.

1208
01:08:03,416 --> 01:08:06,296
This is actually talking about how there isn't a zine this week.

1209
01:08:06,436 --> 01:08:06,716
Okay.

1210
01:08:07,016 --> 01:08:12,196
This is just a one-year, it's like the one-year anniversary,

1211
01:08:12,676 --> 01:08:16,076
as Pleb Poet, I think, mentioned last episode,

1212
01:08:16,136 --> 01:08:17,976
or we mentioned about Pleb Poet last episode.

1213
01:08:18,196 --> 01:08:19,676
There won't be a zine this week.

1214
01:08:19,676 --> 01:08:22,856
and instead she is using it as a reflection

1215
01:08:22,856 --> 01:08:26,236
or to reflect on 52 issues

1216
01:08:26,236 --> 01:08:28,696
that we did over the last year

1217
01:08:28,696 --> 01:08:31,856
and maybe what she would like to do next

1218
01:08:31,856 --> 01:08:32,796
in terms of the zine

1219
01:08:32,796 --> 01:08:35,076
and that's what this post is about.

1220
01:08:39,696 --> 01:08:42,016
We're going to jump into the next one.

1221
01:08:42,656 --> 01:08:45,216
The next one that you had was a metal one

1222
01:08:45,216 --> 01:08:47,556
with Bob Burnett from Barefoot Mining.

1223
01:08:47,836 --> 01:08:48,656
This was an AMA.

1224
01:08:49,676 --> 01:08:53,336
Yeah, Bob Burnett came on for an AMA, and it was pretty awesome.

1225
01:08:53,456 --> 01:08:56,756
Lots of great questions and lots of great answers.

1226
01:08:56,936 --> 01:09:00,176
A lot of people asking about Bob's BIP-110 support.

1227
01:09:00,396 --> 01:09:01,396
I think they were the first.

1228
01:09:01,936 --> 01:09:06,416
Barefoot Mining was the first miner to signal for BIP-110, I think.

1229
01:09:06,576 --> 01:09:11,756
They got the first block in, so that was a conversation that came up quite a bit.

1230
01:09:12,296 --> 01:09:14,856
But lots of other questions in there.

1231
01:09:14,856 --> 01:09:20,176
from other, what do we have?

1232
01:09:20,876 --> 01:09:22,136
General questions about mining

1233
01:09:22,136 --> 01:09:25,916
because Bob is very, very quite knowledgeable.

1234
01:09:26,136 --> 01:09:29,056
He's relative to other miners that are mining at scale.

1235
01:09:29,056 --> 01:09:32,556
I feel like he's quite approachable, quite online,

1236
01:09:33,156 --> 01:09:35,816
and quite familiar with like Bitcoin culture

1237
01:09:35,816 --> 01:09:36,676
and involved in it.

1238
01:09:38,656 --> 01:09:40,596
Yeah, so lots of great stuff in here.

1239
01:09:41,836 --> 01:09:43,696
And I recommend reading through it

1240
01:09:43,696 --> 01:09:46,936
if you're interested in mining or how miners,

1241
01:09:47,356 --> 01:09:49,416
how some miners might be thinking about BIP-110 and,

1242
01:09:49,416 --> 01:09:54,516
and yeah, data and blocks and stuff.

1243
01:09:55,576 --> 01:09:56,416
Cool stuff.

1244
01:09:56,896 --> 01:10:01,876
That's all the stories that we have this week on Snacker News Live.

1245
01:10:02,536 --> 01:10:05,256
Let's go jump into the top cowboy segment.

1246
01:10:06,816 --> 01:10:09,816
The most popular segment.

1247
01:10:09,816 --> 01:10:12,456
and Bitcoin

1248
01:10:12,456 --> 01:10:13,516
it's the most

1249
01:10:13,516 --> 01:10:14,976
it's the cowboy

1250
01:10:14,976 --> 01:10:15,496
segment

1251
01:10:15,496 --> 01:10:16,416
here we go

1252
01:10:16,416 --> 01:10:17,456
ladies and gentlemen

1253
01:10:17,456 --> 01:10:19,076
yeah

1254
01:10:19,076 --> 01:10:20,196
looks like

1255
01:10:20,196 --> 01:10:20,716
a

1256
01:10:20,716 --> 01:10:22,976
total of

1257
01:10:22,976 --> 01:10:24,196
nothing has changed

1258
01:10:24,196 --> 01:10:25,836
at the top

1259
01:10:25,836 --> 01:10:26,736
cowboys there

1260
01:10:26,736 --> 01:10:27,376
so

1261
01:10:27,376 --> 01:10:28,636
yeah nothing has

1262
01:10:28,636 --> 01:10:30,196
I'm sure everyone is

1263
01:10:30,196 --> 01:10:32,316
very happy

1264
01:10:32,316 --> 01:10:33,096
that they tuned in

1265
01:10:33,096 --> 01:10:33,476
for that

1266
01:10:33,476 --> 01:10:33,696
tell you what

1267
01:10:33,696 --> 01:10:34,196
last week

1268
01:10:34,196 --> 01:10:35,396
when Brandon was on the show

1269
01:10:35,396 --> 01:10:35,856
I bet you

1270
01:10:35,856 --> 01:10:37,136
he's probably just like

1271
01:10:37,136 --> 01:10:37,636
he's like

1272
01:10:37,636 --> 01:10:38,236
wait wait a second

1273
01:10:38,236 --> 01:10:38,876
where's the

1274
01:10:38,876 --> 01:10:39,696
where's

1275
01:10:39,696 --> 01:10:40,536
Where's the top Cowboys?

1276
01:10:40,636 --> 01:10:41,756
And he's waiting for this whole time.

1277
01:10:41,816 --> 01:10:43,736
Brad, we're still watching it.

1278
01:10:43,876 --> 01:10:45,056
Yeah, he's probably been craving it.

1279
01:10:45,136 --> 01:10:46,776
Might have picked up a little addiction.

1280
01:10:47,096 --> 01:10:50,036
He's probably like, man, I'm just waiting for all show for this Cowboys segment.

1281
01:10:50,916 --> 01:10:52,676
So here you go, the top Cowboys.

1282
01:10:53,396 --> 01:10:56,556
Yeah, we should maybe put it like a flag in our YouTube video,

1283
01:10:56,776 --> 01:10:58,936
like where it starts to be able to just jump to it.

1284
01:10:59,416 --> 01:11:00,756
This is amazing.

1285
01:11:00,756 --> 01:11:01,556
Look at this.

1286
01:11:02,276 --> 01:11:03,356
All these Cowboys.

1287
01:11:04,376 --> 01:11:05,096
Giddy on up.

1288
01:11:06,716 --> 01:11:06,896
Yeah.

1289
01:11:08,696 --> 01:11:09,136
Wow.

1290
01:11:09,136 --> 01:11:09,936
Who's the last one?

1291
01:11:09,976 --> 01:11:11,596
I always like to see who the last one is.

1292
01:11:12,096 --> 01:11:14,016
It gets my weekend going.

1293
01:11:14,316 --> 01:11:16,116
Oh, no, yeah, this is the most exciting part.

1294
01:11:16,596 --> 01:11:17,696
This is the most exciting part.

1295
01:11:17,696 --> 01:11:18,576
Which stacker?

1296
01:11:18,576 --> 01:11:20,336
Who's the stacker, the last one?

1297
01:11:20,636 --> 01:11:23,976
My weekend really doesn't kick off until I see who the last one is.

1298
01:11:24,556 --> 01:11:25,716
Then I'm like, okay, weekend.

1299
01:11:26,016 --> 01:11:29,776
It's an important fact that I don't think most people are tracking.

1300
01:11:29,776 --> 01:11:30,916
Oh, it's Zeke this week.

1301
01:11:31,136 --> 01:11:32,936
Oh, man, can you believe it?

1302
01:11:34,076 --> 01:11:35,396
Crowd is going wild.

1303
01:11:36,356 --> 01:11:37,036
Can't believe it.

1304
01:11:39,136 --> 01:11:49,536
when people lost their hat like the longest hat that got lost we should do that yeah because

1305
01:11:49,536 --> 01:11:57,556
yeah i think tony georgio would have one of those you'll have to see it he raged out about

1306
01:11:57,556 --> 01:12:02,496
this is the top cowboys baby

1307
01:12:02,496 --> 01:12:05,696
All right.

1308
01:12:05,776 --> 01:12:06,476
That's that segment.

1309
01:12:07,556 --> 01:12:10,396
Tune in next week for more of that.

1310
01:12:10,596 --> 01:12:11,336
Oh, yeah.

1311
01:12:11,456 --> 01:12:12,396
More of that segment.

1312
01:12:12,776 --> 01:12:15,096
You're not going to believe who's last next week.

1313
01:12:16,296 --> 01:12:18,496
It'll be mostly the same people.

1314
01:12:18,996 --> 01:12:20,396
My weekend has started now.

1315
01:12:22,036 --> 01:12:24,976
Let's jump into the comments this week.

1316
01:12:25,076 --> 01:12:25,876
They get a little spicy.

1317
01:12:26,896 --> 01:12:28,396
Neekreation said, very interesting indeed.

1318
01:12:28,396 --> 01:12:31,216
I need more BitX, solo mining, exclamation point, exclamation point.

1319
01:12:31,876 --> 01:12:34,276
This was in regards to the Bitcoin mining two-block reorg.

1320
01:12:36,076 --> 01:12:37,056
What do you think about that, Keon?

1321
01:12:37,136 --> 01:12:38,496
Do you think we need more bid axes?

1322
01:12:38,816 --> 01:12:39,516
We have one.

1323
01:12:40,476 --> 01:12:44,276
Yeah, I think he's generally suggesting that decentralized mining is good.

1324
01:12:44,356 --> 01:12:46,816
Yes, I believe that we need more decentralized mining.

1325
01:12:46,916 --> 01:12:48,896
How many bid axes do you have, Keon?

1326
01:12:49,316 --> 01:12:49,996
I have zero.

1327
01:12:50,236 --> 01:12:50,376
Oh.

1328
01:12:51,076 --> 01:12:51,496
You want one?

1329
01:12:52,656 --> 01:12:56,616
I don't have one because I don't want to set it up.

1330
01:12:57,296 --> 01:12:59,876
You just don't want to have a bid axe there.

1331
01:12:59,876 --> 01:13:01,596
How can I spice it up?

1332
01:13:02,996 --> 01:13:04,876
I don't have to do anything.

1333
01:13:05,436 --> 01:13:06,156
Just plug it in.

1334
01:13:07,276 --> 01:13:08,736
Yeah, more or less I plug it in.

1335
01:13:09,356 --> 01:13:13,896
Yeah, maybe I have to write my Bitcoin address in a terminal or something.

1336
01:13:15,236 --> 01:13:16,196
That would be it.

1337
01:13:16,416 --> 01:13:17,556
I just don't want to have to think about it.

1338
01:13:18,176 --> 01:13:19,436
Yeah, the other one's right over there.

1339
01:13:19,456 --> 01:13:20,116
I don't think about it.

1340
01:13:21,916 --> 01:13:25,976
Well, you guys are doing the work for me.

1341
01:13:25,976 --> 01:13:29,816
We all have our different roles in society, our different jobs.

1342
01:13:29,876 --> 01:13:34,996
our tasks and i already got plenty of jobs i'm doing now yeah but if i had the free time road

1343
01:13:34,996 --> 01:13:40,276
to become a big action me too i have so many jobs even my agent has jobs

1344
01:13:42,516 --> 01:13:48,516
isn't that a cool thing to say no it's not if not biff 110 then what is the solution for clogging

1345
01:13:48,516 --> 01:13:53,956
the network with spam that can't be deleted from full archival nodes gary says when we were talking

1346
01:13:53,956 --> 01:13:55,836
talking about the layman's guy at the BIP110.

1347
01:13:56,656 --> 01:13:57,436
Topher, I go to you.

1348
01:13:58,936 --> 01:14:00,976
What is clogging the network exactly?

1349
01:14:01,956 --> 01:14:03,076
Can we define that?

1350
01:14:03,836 --> 01:14:06,516
Is it, you can't get your transaction through?

1351
01:14:07,036 --> 01:14:08,056
Is it transaction fees?

1352
01:14:08,056 --> 01:14:09,896
I feel like every time I use OnChain,

1353
01:14:09,976 --> 01:14:11,056
it goes pretty through, baby.

1354
01:14:11,856 --> 01:14:12,776
Right through there.

1355
01:14:12,856 --> 01:14:14,536
It's pretty good.

1356
01:14:15,636 --> 01:14:16,596
So I don't know.

1357
01:14:17,376 --> 01:14:19,276
I don't know much about this stuff, to be honest.

1358
01:14:20,236 --> 01:14:20,736
Yeah, I don't know.

1359
01:14:20,776 --> 01:14:21,536
I don't know if Gary's,

1360
01:14:21,536 --> 01:14:29,776
I don't know if Gary's actually using Bitcoin or is just participating in conversations on social media.

1361
01:14:30,456 --> 01:14:31,836
It's kind of repeating something they've heard.

1362
01:14:32,056 --> 01:14:37,476
But there have been periods of time, though, that the network has been clogged with spam,

1363
01:14:37,556 --> 01:14:43,616
where there's been quite a bit of congestion on chain as a result of some of the ordinal stuff.

1364
01:14:44,116 --> 01:14:46,416
But it's been a long time since then.

1365
01:14:46,416 --> 01:14:51,196
and I think the more important thing is like what

1366
01:14:51,196 --> 01:14:55,296
what is this like if I

1367
01:14:55,296 --> 01:14:59,336
use an analogy or like a similar situation

1368
01:14:59,336 --> 01:15:02,856
like what is the solution to global warming

1369
01:15:02,856 --> 01:15:07,036
if it's not pancakes like that's kind of like the

1370
01:15:07,036 --> 01:15:11,216
like because that's kind of what he's saying is that like you make pancakes outside

1371
01:15:11,216 --> 01:15:14,856
well it's like baked in his question is the assumption that BIP 110 solves

1372
01:15:14,856 --> 01:15:16,476
clogging the network with spam.

1373
01:15:16,816 --> 01:15:19,296
And most of us don't support it

1374
01:15:19,296 --> 01:15:20,556
because it doesn't solve the problem.

1375
01:15:21,176 --> 01:15:23,736
And similarly, pancakes don't solve global warming.

1376
01:15:24,736 --> 01:15:29,796
So, Gary, if you can tell me

1377
01:15:29,796 --> 01:15:31,616
how pancakes don't solve global warming,

1378
01:15:32,236 --> 01:15:35,316
I'll tell you maybe how BIP-110

1379
01:15:35,316 --> 01:15:37,016
doesn't solve global warming.

1380
01:15:37,096 --> 01:15:39,096
Or if you can tell me what the solution is

1381
01:15:39,096 --> 01:15:39,756
to global warming,

1382
01:15:39,996 --> 01:15:41,916
then I'll believe that pancakes don't solve it.

1383
01:15:41,916 --> 01:15:45,176
is more or less what he's asking.

1384
01:15:45,616 --> 01:15:48,356
He's like, you need to come up with a solution

1385
01:15:48,356 --> 01:15:53,796
to prove to me that pancakes don't solve spam on Bitcoin.

1386
01:15:55,736 --> 01:15:56,176
Yeah.

1387
01:15:56,496 --> 01:15:59,716
I would add to that that people are complaining

1388
01:15:59,716 --> 01:16:02,576
that the ice caps are melting and that we're all going to drown.

1389
01:16:03,176 --> 01:16:03,456
Yes.

1390
01:16:03,456 --> 01:16:07,996
Yet everybody's beachfront property is still the same.

1391
01:16:08,436 --> 01:16:11,696
Like nobody's had to run away from the coast.

1392
01:16:11,916 --> 01:16:14,576
Nothing's changed.

1393
01:16:15,676 --> 01:16:17,096
Anything, the water's receding.

1394
01:16:18,476 --> 01:16:21,736
What did you say, Ted?

1395
01:16:23,836 --> 01:16:24,956
You have a beachfront?

1396
01:16:29,096 --> 01:16:29,656
Oh.

1397
01:16:30,556 --> 01:16:31,916
He said that global warming is happening.

1398
01:16:31,916 --> 01:16:32,676
In Massachusetts?

1399
01:16:33,076 --> 01:16:34,556
No, but he's saying he has more beachfront.

1400
01:16:34,916 --> 01:16:37,016
He has more beachfront now because of the global warming.

1401
01:16:38,116 --> 01:16:40,296
See, it helped two people, Al Gore and Ted.

1402
01:16:40,296 --> 01:16:41,856
yeah

1403
01:16:41,856 --> 01:16:45,316
the other one was

1404
01:16:45,316 --> 01:16:47,776
most of us can't afford the flagships

1405
01:16:47,776 --> 01:16:49,596
exclamation point at least they have

1406
01:16:49,596 --> 01:16:51,716
more than one brand of hardware exclamation point

1407
01:16:51,716 --> 01:16:52,756
this is from Kyle Dean Daly

1408
01:16:52,756 --> 01:16:54,976
on the Graphene OS thing

1409
01:16:54,976 --> 01:16:57,336
yeah it seems like he believed some of the

1410
01:16:57,336 --> 01:16:59,216
wrong things that we said in the video

1411
01:16:59,216 --> 01:17:01,496
and feels pretty great

1412
01:17:01,496 --> 01:17:03,756
that Graphene will have

1413
01:17:03,756 --> 01:17:05,376
more than one hardware provider

1414
01:17:05,376 --> 01:17:07,156
in the future which they won't

1415
01:17:07,156 --> 01:17:09,216
that's what we thought they were saying

1416
01:17:09,216 --> 01:17:11,256
in that video.

1417
01:17:12,696 --> 01:17:16,136
I mean, you could buy, like, how much is a Pixel 3?

1418
01:17:17,016 --> 01:17:18,916
They're like $150 on Amazon.

1419
01:17:19,196 --> 01:17:20,876
If they're still there, they're probably gone now.

1420
01:17:21,956 --> 01:17:24,996
Also, with, like, AI, I feel like some chad

1421
01:17:24,996 --> 01:17:28,296
can just go out there and, like, hack a fork of graphene

1422
01:17:28,296 --> 01:17:31,436
to run on, like, a super cheap smartphone or something.

1423
01:17:31,936 --> 01:17:35,376
Yeah, I would say, Kyle, do some AI stuff, maybe?

1424
01:17:35,716 --> 01:17:35,896
Yeah.

1425
01:17:36,136 --> 01:17:37,236
Fork your graphene.

1426
01:17:37,236 --> 01:17:39,976
Send cloth to the code mines.

1427
01:17:41,116 --> 01:17:41,316
Yeah.

1428
01:17:41,996 --> 01:17:43,896
But if they lose all the security updates and everything,

1429
01:17:43,996 --> 01:17:45,416
that's the only problem with all that stuff.

1430
01:17:45,756 --> 01:17:48,016
That would be cool to like a graphing fork,

1431
01:17:48,096 --> 01:17:51,316
like a super cheap fund, $20 Walmart fund.

1432
01:17:51,696 --> 01:17:52,056
Yeah.

1433
01:17:54,096 --> 01:17:55,696
The bank said stay in your weight.

1434
01:17:57,216 --> 01:17:57,536
I don't know.

1435
01:17:57,616 --> 01:17:59,676
I feel like he was, what is that?

1436
01:17:59,836 --> 01:18:00,836
We were talking about a Zempick.

1437
01:18:01,236 --> 01:18:04,836
No, we were talking about a Zempification of the economy.

1438
01:18:05,276 --> 01:18:06,696
Yeah, but the bank is telling a joke.

1439
01:18:06,696 --> 01:18:08,056
I get it.

1440
01:18:08,116 --> 01:18:09,176
Okay, that makes sense.

1441
01:18:10,136 --> 01:18:10,556
Cool.

1442
01:18:10,756 --> 01:18:12,996
And then the other one was from RB Ginger.

1443
01:18:13,956 --> 01:18:14,856
Gin Ninja?

1444
01:18:15,336 --> 01:18:16,596
G Ninja.

1445
01:18:16,736 --> 01:18:17,816
I did read that as Ginger.

1446
01:18:18,116 --> 01:18:18,716
Oh, Ginger.

1447
01:18:18,856 --> 01:18:19,836
It's like a ginger nature.

1448
01:18:20,096 --> 01:18:20,716
That's what I thought.

1449
01:18:21,676 --> 01:18:26,456
They said, Peter Thiel is or is connected to the Antichrist!

1450
01:18:26,456 --> 01:18:28,196
Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.

1451
01:18:28,676 --> 01:18:34,416
It definitely vacationers at Davos, in quotes, together if he's not himself!

1452
01:18:34,696 --> 01:18:35,336
Exclamation point.

1453
01:18:35,776 --> 01:18:36,596
He ought to go to you.

1454
01:18:36,696 --> 01:18:38,376
for what do you think

1455
01:18:38,376 --> 01:18:39,616
what do you think about that comment

1456
01:18:39,616 --> 01:18:41,996
I can't read it but

1457
01:18:41,996 --> 01:18:44,556
it sounds kind of just

1458
01:18:44,556 --> 01:18:45,456
there's a lot

1459
01:18:45,456 --> 01:18:47,896
there it goes right there

1460
01:18:47,896 --> 01:18:50,196
that's what he said right there

1461
01:18:50,196 --> 01:18:51,556
Davos is kind of weird

1462
01:18:51,556 --> 01:18:54,196
I didn't see him in Davos this year but I saw

1463
01:18:54,196 --> 01:18:55,056
everybody else

1464
01:18:55,056 --> 01:18:58,456
okay saying antichrist visit

1465
01:18:58,456 --> 01:19:00,296
Davos and they vacation there

1466
01:19:00,296 --> 01:19:01,656
and Peter Thiel

1467
01:19:01,656 --> 01:19:04,496
is an antichrist or is connected to them

1468
01:19:04,496 --> 01:19:06,636
I don't really

1469
01:19:06,636 --> 01:19:08,936
I don't really know who's the Antichrist.

1470
01:19:09,736 --> 01:19:12,356
So I can't say whether that is true or not.

1471
01:19:12,796 --> 01:19:15,096
That is kind of what I have to say about it.

1472
01:19:16,796 --> 01:19:17,756
Thanks for the question.

1473
01:19:17,936 --> 01:19:19,636
How would you define the Antichrist?

1474
01:19:19,856 --> 01:19:21,136
How would I define the Antichrist?

1475
01:19:21,136 --> 01:19:26,336
Somebody who's not with Christ, the Antichrist.

1476
01:19:26,616 --> 01:19:30,016
So there's like 50% of the population is the Antichrist?

1477
01:19:30,016 --> 01:19:32,136
Probably, yeah, at least 50%.

1478
01:19:32,136 --> 01:19:32,576
Dying.

1479
01:19:32,576 --> 01:19:42,076
I mean, that's how I would define it, but I don't know if that's like, if that's like accurate, but I mean, that's how I would define it.

1480
01:19:43,156 --> 01:19:43,376
Cool.

1481
01:19:44,276 --> 01:19:51,156
But yeah, in that kind of definition, Peter Teal's not, because from what I know, he's a subsect of Christianity.

1482
01:19:53,056 --> 01:19:57,596
And then I got, I'm just what he said, if you zap me 100K sats on SN, you get a cowboy hat.

1483
01:19:59,576 --> 01:20:00,756
Wait a second, what does that mean?

1484
01:20:00,756 --> 01:20:01,756
It's a nice little scammer.

1485
01:20:01,756 --> 01:20:02,976
Oh, I see what you're saying.

1486
01:20:03,596 --> 01:20:04,776
That's how you get a cowboy hat.

1487
01:20:06,516 --> 01:20:07,616
Is that how you get a cowboy hat?

1488
01:20:08,256 --> 01:20:08,776
Is he wrong?

1489
01:20:09,256 --> 01:20:09,656
I cannot.

1490
01:20:09,896 --> 01:20:11,396
Do you know how to get a cowboy on Stacker News?

1491
01:20:11,416 --> 01:20:12,036
Confirm or deny.

1492
01:20:12,256 --> 01:20:13,176
You don't even know, right?

1493
01:20:13,216 --> 01:20:14,696
I thought it was just a ghost.

1494
01:20:14,696 --> 01:20:17,116
You do some sort of activity on Stacker News.

1495
01:20:17,676 --> 01:20:19,636
You literally have people in Blah Blah Blah

1496
01:20:19,636 --> 01:20:21,176
that don't even know how to get a cowboy hat.

1497
01:20:21,616 --> 01:20:22,196
That's how you know.

1498
01:20:22,696 --> 01:20:23,396
It's an Easter egg.

1499
01:20:24,956 --> 01:20:27,136
Every time I interact with Stacker News, I get a hat.

1500
01:20:27,396 --> 01:20:27,956
Oh, you do?

1501
01:20:28,096 --> 01:20:28,356
Okay.

1502
01:20:29,356 --> 01:20:31,336
I get loose hats like...

1503
01:20:31,336 --> 01:20:32,616
All the daily.

1504
01:20:32,896 --> 01:20:33,576
Yeah, that's true.

1505
01:20:34,456 --> 01:20:35,456
Blockchain books at Zap.

1506
01:20:35,796 --> 01:20:36,296
There you go.

1507
01:20:37,036 --> 01:20:40,916
And that's all we got for this week's episode of Stackered News Live.

1508
01:20:41,056 --> 01:20:43,196
Keon, what are you doing this weekend?

1509
01:20:44,356 --> 01:20:45,896
I don't think I'm doing anything.

1510
01:20:46,816 --> 01:20:52,476
Last I checked, I'll have to confirm with all the people that like to, you know,

1511
01:20:52,836 --> 01:20:56,036
all the activities that I usually pick from.

1512
01:20:56,616 --> 01:20:58,556
I'm not sure I'm not doing any of those.

1513
01:20:58,556 --> 01:21:01,736
yeah I'm not doing anything

1514
01:21:01,736 --> 01:21:02,896
how about you what are you doing Cara

1515
01:21:02,896 --> 01:21:05,596
I think today still you know

1516
01:21:05,596 --> 01:21:07,616
kind of taking it in you know it's good

1517
01:21:07,616 --> 01:21:09,056
Friday so it's good to

1518
01:21:09,056 --> 01:21:11,356
you know think about Jesus

1519
01:21:11,356 --> 01:21:13,916
and all that stuff and then tomorrow

1520
01:21:13,916 --> 01:21:15,716
Easter vigil is happening

1521
01:21:15,716 --> 01:21:17,756
tomorrow so I'll go to that and then

1522
01:21:17,756 --> 01:21:18,296
Sundays

1523
01:21:18,296 --> 01:21:21,556
yeah Sunday's the day so I

1524
01:21:21,556 --> 01:21:23,896
think yeah it's just gonna be a full weekend of like

1525
01:21:23,896 --> 01:21:25,676
church stuff

1526
01:21:25,676 --> 01:21:27,776
I'm looking forward to that cake tomorrow

1527
01:21:27,776 --> 01:21:28,656
at the vigil.

1528
01:21:28,856 --> 01:21:29,396
That should be fun.

1529
01:21:29,456 --> 01:21:30,596
What cake do they serve, usually?

1530
01:21:30,696 --> 01:21:31,916
So, last year,

1531
01:21:32,116 --> 01:21:35,536
me and Juan went to the Easter Vigil together,

1532
01:21:35,896 --> 01:21:39,236
and, dude, they had free cake and punch at the end.

1533
01:21:40,156 --> 01:21:40,876
Free cake and punch?

1534
01:21:40,876 --> 01:21:42,056
And your boys got invited.

1535
01:21:42,996 --> 01:21:43,156
Boom.

1536
01:21:43,596 --> 01:21:44,256
What kind of cake?

1537
01:21:45,416 --> 01:21:47,096
It was, like, all sorts of kinds.

1538
01:21:47,136 --> 01:21:48,296
I think there's, like, two different kinds.

1539
01:21:49,036 --> 01:21:49,836
I thought you didn't like cake.

1540
01:21:49,916 --> 01:21:50,916
I thought we learned that on your birthday

1541
01:21:50,916 --> 01:21:51,456
that you don't like cake.

1542
01:21:51,456 --> 01:21:52,496
I don't like chocolate cake.

1543
01:21:54,036 --> 01:21:54,356
Interesting.

1544
01:21:55,716 --> 01:21:56,376
Do you like chocolate?

1545
01:21:56,376 --> 01:21:58,276
You said your favorite ice cream is Rocky Road.

1546
01:21:58,456 --> 01:21:59,356
But that's not chocolate cake.

1547
01:22:00,176 --> 01:22:01,316
But it is chocolate ice cream.

1548
01:22:01,396 --> 01:22:02,616
So you like chocolate.

1549
01:22:02,716 --> 01:22:03,396
You like cake.

1550
01:22:03,696 --> 01:22:04,276
It's Dutch chocolate.

1551
01:22:04,416 --> 01:22:06,276
But you don't like them together.

1552
01:22:06,936 --> 01:22:08,796
What's the difference between Dutch chocolate and other chocolates?

1553
01:22:08,956 --> 01:22:09,156
Do you know?

1554
01:22:09,756 --> 01:22:10,156
Dutch.

1555
01:22:11,436 --> 01:22:12,696
It's made by white people?

1556
01:22:13,196 --> 01:22:14,056
Whoa, whoa.

1557
01:22:14,416 --> 01:22:15,116
I'm like trying to.

1558
01:22:15,136 --> 01:22:15,736
Whoa, calm down.

1559
01:22:15,736 --> 01:22:18,616
You don't have like Mexican chocolate ever?

1560
01:22:18,876 --> 01:22:19,496
Oh, yeah, we do.

1561
01:22:19,556 --> 01:22:20,136
It's called cacao.

1562
01:22:21,476 --> 01:22:22,136
Well, it's the same.

1563
01:22:22,136 --> 01:22:22,596
I don't know.

1564
01:22:22,656 --> 01:22:23,256
Is it the same?

1565
01:22:23,356 --> 01:22:25,356
Is Mexican chocolate cacao?

1566
01:22:25,956 --> 01:22:27,076
Or is that something else?

1567
01:22:27,156 --> 01:22:27,516
It is.

1568
01:22:27,856 --> 01:22:28,716
It's all cacao.

1569
01:22:28,956 --> 01:22:29,816
Yeah, it's cacao, right?

1570
01:22:29,956 --> 01:22:33,316
But what's the, because mola also has chocolate too, and I love mola.

1571
01:22:34,836 --> 01:22:35,536
It's also cacao.

1572
01:22:35,556 --> 01:22:38,836
I don't know exactly, but I like cacao.

1573
01:22:39,436 --> 01:22:40,416
But only if it's called Dutch.

1574
01:22:40,436 --> 01:22:41,016
It's good, though.

1575
01:22:41,796 --> 01:22:44,656
Remember those cacao drinks that we had?

1576
01:22:45,076 --> 01:22:45,836
Those are good, dude.

1577
01:22:45,836 --> 01:22:47,596
After one, I was done, dude.

1578
01:22:48,416 --> 01:22:49,836
Me and Oliver were like, done.

1579
01:22:49,956 --> 01:22:50,876
We were like, what?

1580
01:22:51,156 --> 01:22:52,036
Just spaced out.

1581
01:22:52,216 --> 01:22:52,736
That was fun.

1582
01:22:52,736 --> 01:22:55,636
You guys took drugs?

1583
01:22:55,636 --> 01:23:01,236
No, so they make like cacao, but they turn it into like a, like a, like a, what do you

1584
01:23:01,236 --> 01:23:02,236
call it?

1585
01:23:02,236 --> 01:23:05,436
Like a, not a beer, but it's like a, it's like a, it's like a spiked drink, right?

1586
01:23:05,436 --> 01:23:08,436
It's like, yeah, it's like a liqueur thing.

1587
01:23:08,436 --> 01:23:09,436
It's good, dude.

1588
01:23:09,436 --> 01:23:10,436
It's so good.

1589
01:23:10,436 --> 01:23:12,436
I kind of want one right now.

1590
01:23:12,436 --> 01:23:15,436
It's like Baba tea, but for like cacao.

1591
01:23:15,436 --> 01:23:16,436
That's the best way.

1592
01:23:16,436 --> 01:23:18,436
It tastes like Baba tea, but like good.

1593
01:23:18,436 --> 01:23:19,936
Is that the same thing as Boba tea?

1594
01:23:19,968 --> 01:23:20,888
Yeah, same thing.

1595
01:23:21,408 --> 01:23:21,808
Baba.

1596
01:23:22,428 --> 01:23:24,448
It's like a drink in Star Wars.

1597
01:23:25,668 --> 01:23:26,108
Baba tea.

1598
01:23:26,108 --> 01:23:27,368
What do you get when you're a bounty hunter?

1599
01:23:27,688 --> 01:23:29,148
Is it called bubble tea?

1600
01:23:29,268 --> 01:23:29,728
Bubble tea?

1601
01:23:30,768 --> 01:23:31,208
Boba.

1602
01:23:31,388 --> 01:23:31,748
Boba.

1603
01:23:31,908 --> 01:23:33,108
Oh, well, that's dumb.

1604
01:23:33,108 --> 01:23:33,748
That's how you pronounce it, I guess.

1605
01:23:33,828 --> 01:23:35,148
I agree, it's spelled weird.

1606
01:23:35,468 --> 01:23:36,348
I thought it was called Baba.

1607
01:23:36,868 --> 01:23:37,628
I thought you said Baba.

1608
01:23:38,088 --> 01:23:38,628
Baba tea.

1609
01:23:38,808 --> 01:23:41,888
Baba tea would be a great name for it.

1610
01:23:41,888 --> 01:23:43,588
That's what I always do for Baba tea.

1611
01:23:43,908 --> 01:23:45,508
Anyways, Tover, what are you doing this weekend?

1612
01:23:46,648 --> 01:23:47,708
Eating fish tacos.

1613
01:23:48,148 --> 01:23:49,088
Oh, wow.

1614
01:23:49,968 --> 01:23:55,008
Did you catch a fish or did you go to the fish market and then?

1615
01:23:55,588 --> 01:23:58,788
No, I leave all that up to other people.

1616
01:23:58,908 --> 01:23:59,888
Oh, that should be fun.

1617
01:24:01,048 --> 01:24:02,208
Man, that's going to be fun.

1618
01:24:03,948 --> 01:24:05,228
Looking forward to that.

1619
01:24:06,988 --> 01:24:07,788
Cool stuff.

1620
01:24:07,948 --> 01:24:09,468
Well, stackers, have yourself a great weekend.

1621
01:24:09,568 --> 01:24:10,488
Have a great Easter weekend.

1622
01:24:10,728 --> 01:24:13,748
And we'll see you back here next week with some whole new stories.

1623
01:24:13,808 --> 01:24:14,428
How about that?

1624
01:24:14,788 --> 01:24:15,428
Key on zap.