(upbeat music)
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour.
Today is, what is today?
Today is Sunday, the 17th, Happy Saint Patrick's Day,
to all of you.
And what better way to celebrate Saint Patrick's Day
than talk to a guy from Finland who's currently
living in Saudi Arabia?
Today's guest is the Higher Low.
And it's a really fun conversation.
Like I'm sure you guys have seen his music,
or heard his music over on Wayblake,
and seen him on Noster,
and he was just at Bitcoin Atlanta,
and played the gig there.
He's going down to El Salvador to play a gig at the halving.
He was in Charleston for Charleston Bitcoin Meetups,
Big Halloween Party.
This is a really cool dude with a great punk rock attitude,
who is getting the most out of life,
not only with Bitcoin, but with his music as well.
And we have a great conversation about punk bands in Finland,
and the Finnish language, and songwriting,
and Bitcoin and all of it.
It was a lot of fun,
and I hope you guys really enjoy this conversation.
So you know how we do it?
I'm going to play one of his songs,
and then we will bring him on the show.
So we're going to kick it off with his song, Truth Seekers,
here on the Phantom Power Artist Hour,
and this is the Higher Low.
(upbeat music)
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪
♪ We won't do nothing to find it for ♪
♪ We won't have culture of America and now ♪
♪ Grinding to the mass of rocks ♪
♪ There's no map in front of us seek ♪
♪ For truth until we're old ♪
♪ We're ridden of this a growing boat ♪
♪ We're not out of fight ♪
♪ We're pleased to make it right ♪
♪ Continent acts will try to hope inside ♪
♪ Coming on the Alexa Gerts' ship ♪
♪ And they play this right ♪
♪ The sea plays top to the pit of die ♪
♪ Play my guitar ♪
♪ The world in need will have a beat ♪
♪ Drums of change ♪
♪ They can get an instant to their worst ♪
♪ I swear that there was a care ♪
♪ About the world that's out ♪
♪ We're building funding in the tea we found ♪
♪ It got just to our old ♪
♪ We're ridden of this a growing boat ♪
♪ We're not out of fight ♪
♪ We're pleased to make it right ♪
♪ Continent acts will try to hope inside ♪
♪ Coming on the Alexa Gerts' ship ♪
♪ And they play this right ♪
♪ The sea plays top to the pit of die ♪
♪ Play my guitar ♪
♪ Think it's which the core is ♪
♪ The core is ♪
♪ The way it comes apart ♪
♪ We're not out of fight ♪
♪ We're pleased to make it right ♪
♪ Continent acts will try to hope inside ♪
♪ Coming on the Alexa Gerts' ship ♪
♪ And they play this right ♪
♪ The sea plays top to the pit of die ♪
♪ Play my guitar ♪
- All right, welcome to Phantom Power Artist Hour
and that was True Seekers by the Higher Low,
who is nice enough to join me on the line
from halfway around the world
after his performance in Rousing Couple of Days
over at Atlas Music Festival in Bitcoin,
Atlantis.
Welcome to Rami or otherwise known as The Higher Low.
What's up buddy? How are you?
- Hey James, thanks so much for having me
super stoked to be here today to chat with you.
So.
- Yeah, it's my pleasure.
It's been a lot of fun to see you.
Yeah, you're a globe, dude.
I'll tell you two things.
One, you're a globe trotter.
You're always running around.
And number two, it's impressive, man.
You are all in on value for value in Bitcoin music
and the whole value verse and getting out on podcasts
and everything like that.
So you are a great ambassador for value for value in music
and it's a pleasure to have you on the show
and get to know you a little bit.
To tell us about your musical beginnings
and how you got started playing in bands.
- Okay, so everything started with my,
I was born in S-po, which is like a suburb
of Helsinki, the capital city of Finland.
And I grew up as a kind of a skateboard kid.
Back in the day, we didn't have internet or anything like that.
So we were kind of relying on like VHS tapes for Promo.
Somebody's dad lived in the US, so we kind of got those tapes
and watching like a streets of fire and all these great movies.
And we were so inspired about the music
that we just had to create our own band.
And we, '92, I'm an old pro, so '92, we created a band called Fumble
as somebody making a mistake in football in the States.
And we just started playing in youth centers,
then like rock clubs and festivals and stuff.
And we kind of were perfectly timed to do everything
right before PopPunk became big.
So we had a good time, but then in '93,
we basically disbanded the band, so we had to,
we were young kids and we were moving to different parts
of Finland, going to military service and stuff like that.
So we basically would have stopped the band
like literally like one year before, like basketball case,
became like the biggest hit in the world.
(laughing)
- Okay.
But anyways, we had a lot of fun.
We played with the US bands like Coffee and Break,
was American band played in, in, in,
we played with them, our biggest heroes were the descendants
and at the time they were operating under the name all.
So they played in Finland, so we supported them and stuff.
So we got really nice like introduction to kind of,
you know, the international conxying when we were young kids.
And then we had like a 10 year break.
I did some other stuff.
I even have like a Brit Pop band at one point,
like in early 2000s, late 90s, early 2000s.
And then around 2006 we decided to put the band back together.
That was the my space era.
And at the time it was like a revelation for us
that we could actually get fans by just being active
with the laptop, you know, back in the day.
Yeah.
- Everything we did was pre-inter that.
So it was just like, you know,
if you were lucky to get some ad in the newspaper
and for the most part they even spelled our name wrong.
So anyways, it was a revelation that we could just hang out online
and get fans and then we were touring in Europe, Spain,
Germany, Netherlands, all over the place.
We'd do it yourself style.
- Oh.
- Rued of fun.
- That's cool.
- So I was a singer and we, I mean,
the greatest thing we could accomplish with Fumble so far
was band is still on is that we,
I went to South by Southwest to promote the band
like early 2000s and I met a company called AudioSocket.
And we put our music there in the database
and then like 10 years after,
which has got an email that our song is,
one of the songs in the special, sorry,
"Law and Order" special victims unit
in one of the episodes that used our songs.
Like in the, like literally like the first,
like before the end of the intro starts,
like over a minute they have our song in the background.
- That's cool.
- That was pretty cool.
So anyway, that's my main project Fumble still going on.
Now I live abroad, I live in the Middle East for work,
but my friends from Fumble are still in Finland
and whenever I go to Finland we do play together.
And then this higher low started a couple of years ago.
I was increasingly traveling for business in the Middle East
and then I had like time in my hands during the weekends
and you know, I could either do like a Netflix binge
or read a book or I could pick up acoustic guitar
and start writing songs and I decided to do the last option
of this and I just got the idea that okay,
I got into Bitcoin 2017, so I had already been
like pretty heavily orange spill at the time.
So I was like could I, you know, turn my kind of,
some kind of skills of making these short snappy,
you know, puppet punk songs into acoustic songs
about the Bitcoin culture without being too obvious about it,
like never saying the word Bitcoin,
but like, you know, having the cultural elements
in the songs and see if I could make it work.
And yeah, so I just started writing songs
and I was very shy about them like a year,
just kept them in my, in my desk drawer and then finally,
you made it two years ago exactly when I started recording them
with the same laptop that I'm using now to make this goal.
So very, very low key because I didn't,
I didn't want to involve everybody else in the project
because you know, I wasn't sure if it's gonna go anywhere.
(laughs)
So I did it everything myself and then finally like a year,
a year ago some people started to notice.
I got to invite it to the Bitcoin beats,
not the beach as you bat bathe and take the sun
about the beats like Bitcoin beats, podcast.
And then during that interview,
they actually said that we're gonna have a festival in Boston
in June last year and would you like to come to play?
And I just said, I'll be there and that's how kind of,
(laughs)
things started this novel ever since.
Well, you know, it's funny because I was,
I had a call last week with some folks at the Charlotte
Bitcoin meetup.
Yeah.
And did you come, did you come over here and play
Hottle Ween at the Charlotte?
Yeah.
Did you really, that's cool.
I did, I did, was amazing.
That's a great part of it.
Dude, that is really impressive.
That is really impressive that you've gone from,
and I know where Espo is.
I know it's on the west side of Helsinki.
I think I've got two friends who are there.
One of them is involved in the Finnish ballet, by the way.
Okay.
But yeah, man, let me just say first of all,
I think Fumble is a great name for a band,
especially a punk band.
Like you nailed it on that one.
And it's really cool that you guys are still doing it,
that you guys are still together.
I mean, I know you're all spread out now, but like,
when was the last time Fumble played a gig?
It was last, last year we had like our 30 years
anniversary.
Yeah.
Sorry, sorry.
Little over a year ago, yeah, one and a half years ago.
Cool.
Do you guys have any plans of like,
hey, I'm going to be back in Helsinki in six months.
Let's do a gig, do you like the, or is it, yeah?
100%, 100%.
So I was there in January and we had like such a wonderful evening
playing like all the way.
And I think I left the practice place like 4 a.m.
or something like that.
So it's a good time.
Good time.
And yeah.
Yeah.
So how's the energy, like, compared to like 30 years ago,
you know, when you guys were 15, 16, 17 and playing,
and now you're 30 years older and your ears are ringing,
and you've got arthritis and, you know,
how's the energy level when the guys get to, when y'all get together?
Is it heavier?
Is it, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm sure everybody gets a little rusty
on their instruments, but what's the vibe when you guys get together in jam?
That's a great question.
I have to have to tell a little story because when we put the band together,
to the fumble together, back together, like, 2006 ish,
I actually said to my best friend from the band,
only that guitarist, that hardly beat old,
to gonna go hard on this, at this age.
And he just looked me in the IS, like, dude, like,
the longer you do it, the better you get at it.
You keep doing it, you'll get better.
And I was like, okay, and I just switched my attitude,
like, age is nothing, we just keep doing it,
and just keep getting better and rocking harder as we go along.
And I have to say my answer is that we are better
and I'd rock at least as hard as we did back in the day.
>> You know what I'm really looking forward to in about,
because I think I'm probably about five or six years older than you.
But yet, you know what I'm really looking forward to?
In about 20 years, when all of us are in our 70s and 80s,
I'm looking forward to going and seeing a kickass punk band
who never got signed, who's like in their 70s,
and they're still fucking shredding.
Like, I can't wait to see that, you know?
>> Yeah, we're gonna show all these young punks
how to play God damn song, you know?
>> 100%, I think Fumble is a good candidate to be that band
because we are very unknown and we are very,
very kind of energetic still.
And we just refuse to die.
>> And you guys got on lawn order, that is so cool.
>> Yeah.
>> Who is your, who's your, your PRO?
Is it ASCAP or CSAC or BMI?
What is it?
>> So it's a, it's the finish one, buddy.
>> Yeah, the finish one, yeah.
>> It's a feeling, it's a feeling I think with ASCAP or BMI
or something like that, yeah?
>> How long did it take for?
Like, the show, for the song to get in the show,
you said it took like 10 years, right?
>> But something like that, yeah.
>> When the show first aired, when did you,
when did the check come in the mail?
Was it like a year?
>> Yeah, a year, what was it?
>> Well, actually, this one, it came like early
because all these other, that's idea was that
we kind of gave the rights to the song
that they can just sell it with like one-time payment.
>> Yeah, yeah, okay.
>> So we could have checked,
that's how the whole thing started.
I just got an email from audio socket that says a check
for the placement of your song and I was like, okay,
and then it just set like, like, L and O-S-V-U.
And I was like, okay, I didn't think about it too much.
And then later I was like, okay, this actually is low
and order, especially with big things here.
It really took me a while to realize the impact.
And it was so funny because the song read out
was like a filler song on our album, "Rise"
that we made, "Two, This is Seven."
And we never played it live.
It was just a song, okay, we didn't have another song,
so let's play something like this, let's put it there.
And that was the song that ended up there.
And before that, I was looking at our Spotify statistics
and stuff like, why is this song the most played song?
Like, we never played it live, it's never made a video,
it's like a filler song.
>> Oh, that is the most popular song
that you've just bought the five for us.
>> That's funny, yeah, I'm gonna go check out--
>> Yeah. >> I'm gonna go check out
"Fumble Spotify" page right now.
>> That's funny.
>> So like, I mean, you guys, and basically,
I mean, you know, finish the performing rights organizations
in Europe are stronger than they are here in the States.
So we used to joke here, like, if you would get something
in sync for a TV show or something like that,
like, you probably couldn't pay the rent with it
unless it kept on happening, right?
Like, you know, for us, it was beer money, right?
So hopefully you got more than beer money out of the deal.
That's really cool, man.
Let me ask you real quick too about writing lyrics in English.
'Cause I always love talking to multilingual artists
such as yourself.
One of my best friends, most talented musician I know
is from Gothenburg, Sweden.
And he's got like three or four languages under his belt, right?
And I'm always fascinated by how he writes lyrics in English
and his word choice and his rhyme.
He puts things together that I wouldn't think to do.
And I think a lot of that has to do with that everything starts
in Swedish and is brain and then it comes out in English.
Like, do you find it's difficult?
Do you find it's interesting?
Like, what are your thoughts about writing in English?
- That's a great question.
I personally got like, really indoctrinated
with the kind of American culture very, very early on.
Like, one of the things in Finland is that
when I was watching my favorite songs as a kid,
like "Petal Staggalactic" and these kind of things,
we didn't have any, any, what do you call dubbing.
So like, it's always the original speaking
and then just subtitles.
So we were like, let's say people in Germany or Spain,
they don't get in touch with English language so early on
because most of those TV shows are dubbed.
So even though it's American TV show,
when they see it, it's been dubbed into their own language.
So that was one thing.
Second thing, I was obsessed with super hero comic books
and at the time, only a few of them were like released in Finland
so there were a couple of comic stores,
comic book stores in Helsinki.
I went there, spent all my pocket money by those
and then I was, because I wanted to read them,
I just kept reading them and, you know,
there's a picture and there's a speech bubble
with English language.
I kind of learned English language by myself
like when I was six or something like that,
even before I started learning in school.
So English language became very natural for me.
So when I went to school, I basically didn't have
to study English at all.
I just kind of take the tests and got like good grace
every single time.
So in that sense, it was very natural for me
to start making songs in English.
I actually never even considered making songs in Finnish language.
- Really? - And, yeah.
- What did you, like, yeah.
- Is fumble, that's all in English, right?
- All in English, all in English.
- Okay.
Well, how, like, I mean, because finishes is interesting.
It's not, it's not a Slavic language.
It's Euralic, right?
U-A, or U-R-A-L-I-C-S.
- Yes. - It's not, it's not Slavic.
It's not Germanic.
You know, I mean, it's, you guys in the Estonians
and I was in Finland in 91 in Estonia in 91.
I mean, you guys have a different breed of language, man.
You guys are, you guys are sometimes--
- It's how we are. - Right, it's weird.
It's weird.
They even had, like, in the second World War,
they were using Finnish guys as, like, you know,
on one side of the kind of radio signal
and the other side of the radio signal,
they just talking in Finnish, so that German
could crack the code, so that was like that.
Early verse enough, "Cryptography" in, like,
with the Finnish twist.
- Really? - That's cool.
- Yeah, yeah. - Yeah.
Have you heard the story about the American Indians
who were code talkers for the US Army in the Pacific?
Did you ever hear about that?
- I've heard the story, and I think it's a quite similar
kind of story, kind of, a rions with that one, yeah.
- Yeah, that's cool.
It's a very unique language.
It's Estonia is the closest one.
It's kind of a structural level related to Hungarian as well,
but, yeah, Hungary and people,
and Finnish people can't understand each other.
Couple of words I'll say in the lore, but.
- Yeah, Estonia is quite, you know,
you can kind of understand what they're saying.
- Well, your command of the language is excellent,
and everything comes out clean in the songs,
so kudos to you.
I mean, you got more brain power than I do, man.
Damn, I could, I mean, my German is really bad,
and I can barely do English,
so you're better man than I, as they say.
- Well, well, well.
Yeah, I mean, just been doing for such a long time,
also lived in the States for a couple of years,
and, you know, I'm married to American,
so, and kids speak English almost once, so, yeah.
- Yeah, where in the States did you live?
I lived in New York for a while, like six months,
and then, a little over a year in San Francisco.
- Oh, okay, good.
Well, you got both coasts.
- Yeah, you got both coasts.
Yeah, okay.
So, all right, so let's go down the rabbit hole a little bit,
like how did you, how'd you find Bitcoin?
When did that all start?
- Yeah, so it's kind of, not super atypical story.
I mean, I've been working in tech ever since university days,
so like my life has been kind of a combination
of being a tech entrepreneur,
and then, then, like, punk musician on all my free time.
- Nice. - So, so, so, so, so, I started hearing about Bitcoin,
you know, maybe a couple of years after it was launched,
and I was actually living in the US 2011 to 2013,
so I was kind of there when things started to happen with it,
but for me, you know, Finland was pretty advanced
with different kinds of digital services,
so you could use, you know, text message to order a taxi
already in like 1997, 1998, so like, you were quite--
- Yeah, quite Nokia.
- Exactly, because Nokia.
So, so, so another thing I missed completely,
when was when Uber, Uber was just starting to happen at the time,
and I was like, well, I've been able to order a taxi
with my phone for like, you know, eight years, so,
what's, what's the special thing here?
Anyways, I kind of didn't see that,
see that the user experience and all the map,
and everything, it's, and your credit card there,
not having to pay cash, all that kind of stuff was that real thing,
but, you know, my early, early impression was that there's nothing here,
but the same thing with Bitcoin, I kind of got into that,
like, heard about it, that, okay, it's been used in Silk Road,
Silk Road, and it's been used by Vigiliks,
and all this kind of thing, so, I thought it's some kind of a fringe,
fringe thing, and not kind of a relevant for me in my life,
but then I had come back to Finland,
was working in another tech company at the time,
and we acquired a small, really talented developer team in 2016,
and then it turned out that these,
these guys were like hardcore Bitcoiners.
(laughs)
- Oh, okay.
- And they had actually built a Bitcoin service already in 2013,
and then they had sold it, I think, around 2015,
when things were like, you know, it was like a bear market,
so they sold it away, but they still had the kind of passion
and the skills, and then took me a year, basically,
to kind of talk with them and see how interested they were,
like, looking at the price chart every time,
they were coding, like, one screen was always the Bitcoin price chart,
so, like, there must be something here,
and then 2017, when the price started going up,
when it reached the top in December, like,
20,000, and dropped to 15 or something,
then I was like, okay, fine, I'll just buy a little bit,
like, a piece of a Bitcoin, just to kind of have some skin in the game,
so that's what I did, and then I started learning.
After, you know, the usual thing, when you have some skin in the game,
you start learning, always really focused on Bitcoin,
but I did have my little detour in the, in the Bitcoin arena,
so, I'm used to being a tech-ed entrepreneur,
and being involved in many startups, and tech innovations,
and building, like, all kinds of stuff,
so, obviously, I was like, Bitcoin is like the,
it's like the, like, the solid rock behind this,
all of this, but, but what are these kind of nice little, you know,
things around it? And I spent maybe two years exploring,
like, blockchain for X type of things, our company was doing lots of digital services
for, like, real estate stuff, so, what could blockchain be used for real estate,
and all the other kind of stuff? But then, the more I went to these blockchain events,
I went in Dubai, and I'm out at these kind of a generic blockchain events,
when I spoke with those people, like, face-to-face,
like, those altcoin people, I started feeling like, really slimy,
like, somehow, I didn't feel like that they were in it for, like,
anything, like, long-term, they were more like,
yeah, let's, I have this, at the time, they were talking about those,
ICO boom had died, so now they were talking about the SD, or something like that,
whatever, they always find some new,
accurate, and, like, kind of market, so, so, then, I started to gravitate to those,
couple of Bitcoiners who were at the events, and, like,
found that I've actually actually had much more, like, meaningful discussions,
also, maybe to add in the mix, like, my tech background, my punker background,
and also, my university studies were around sociology, and, like, social sciences,
so, these three things started to, kind of, finally, like,
I started to realize that Bitcoin is, like, sits in the middle of all of this,
it's tech, it's punk rock, and it's also, like, social science,
economics, and things, and then,
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, finally, in, like, let's say, 2020,
I kind of completely got out of everything else, just, Bitcoin only,
here we go, and, and I remember it was that time, literally, like, a week before COVID started,
like, shutting everything down, February, 2020, or something,
I was reading, uh,
Safedin's book in Egypt, where family holiday, and, like,
there was this one graph, there was, like, uh,
when, when to use blockchain, and it was, like, you know,
do you need to have, you have a decentralized digital money?
Yes, you speedcode, no, don't use blockchain, and that's it.
I was like, actually, it makes a lot of sense.
After everything he had explained in the book beforehand,
all the way money comes from what is his purpose,
what is the idea of hardness in money?
All these kind of things just came to me in that one thing.
I was like, okay, at least in my personal life,
I'm gonna be fully focused on Bitcoin, forget everything else.
I was always like 90, something percent on Bitcoin, but still, I just
let everything else go, and then life was so much easier afterwards.
I think, yeah.
I could just focus on one thing, yeah.
You know, when you talked about Nokia and
getting taxis on your phone way back in the 90s, um,
I'm, I'm always kind of, I don't want to spend a lot of time on this.
I just want to say, like, it blows me away.
How many, how so many people in tech and so many people in business don't realize,
um, the contribution that Finland and Estonia have made to tech.
Like, they, like, there's a little tech bubble up there, man.
Like Nokia, zoom, you know, there's a, there's a lot of great stuff
that has come out of Helsinki and, and Tallinn.
And for whatever, I'm, I guess, geography and being on the other side of the world, right?
But, um, anyways, shout out to Finland and, and Estonia for their, for their tech advances.
So, 100 percent, 100 percent.
Lots of, lots of, lots of engineers, lots of nerds, lots of cold dark weather, where, where, like,
you don't feel guilty about, like, sitting in front of your screen for like 12 hours in a straight.
So, there are a lot of, a lot of things that kind of help with that, but, yeah, definitely,
we can be proud, proud about what Finland has accomplished, even in the open source arena,
like Linux, obviously, as a face example. And then, you know, we even had the one of the first,
first people to work on Bitcoin together with Satoshi, this, Marty, Marty is like, uh,
Finnish guy, so like, yeah, we've, we've, we've had a, we've had a, it's an outsized impact in the
world of tech, uh, being a small nation of only five or so million people.
Yeah, it's really stunning. It's really stunning.
So, all right, so we've got your musical background and, and we got your education
background. And I love the, the, the sociology and I can see it all coming together,
right? So, what was the first song that you wrote about, um, that, that you, that you kind of packaged
under this higher low persona? What was the first Bitcoin song that you wrote about? And how did you
get it up into the value verse? Yeah. So, I think the first song I ever wrote was LFG. Uh, and that's,
that was the time around the China ban situation, all that kind of stuff and, and all that
thought about like Bitcoin, boiling the oceans and stuff like that. So I put everything there,
and also was very inspired by like the podcasts from, from Matt O'Dell and, uh, and Marty Bane,
and, uh, all that kind of stuff. So this was very inspirational for me. So that, that was LFG.
And the second one I remember vividly was when, uh, Christian Lagarde and ECB was
giving their like, uh, speeches about how Bitcoin is in like an escape hatch and we need to close
it down. Yeah. And then, then I wrote the song, Let Me Escape, uh, with, uh, Let Me Escape, uh,
through the hatch that Satoshi made. Yeah. Because, uh, of course, I needed to take the inspiration and
use it to our advantage as Bitcoiners. So then when did you first start putting it,
now did, did you self-host any of the stuff before or, or how did you find a way, Blake?
Yeah. Yeah. So, so it is silly then, uh, I had these songs then or so that I had just be like,
a writing, uh, and, and you had them in my like notes app or something. And then it was the summer,
December 2020. We were in Finland with the family and we're supposed to go to Estonia for a
family trip. And then I got sick. So like, coffings, sneezing, all that kind of stuff. It was still
the COVID time. So I was like, I can't go like, I can't be in a, in a boat like this. So,
family went and I was by myself wake up next morning, totally fine. So I went, uh, this practice place,
and then okay, now I take my laptop and I just started recording and learning as I go. I've never
been like, much of a sound engineer myself. So I started making those songs. Then I had maybe
ten of them recorded and then came back to Saudi for, for a work trip and then I just decided,
okay, now it's the time. Just went to the balcony of the, of the place where I was living and took a
laundry like, you know, where you hang your laundry, put a trash can on top of it and my cold pronged
up of it and then press play and then just like pretend it to be singing and waving my hands like
this. And then I just put it to YouTube immediately and just post it. Now it is my first song bank.
So that's what I started to do. And then eventually like every month or so I put one song out,
slowly made some kind of video and maybe a little bit good better. I started making videos with two
cameras instead of one. Very, very low key. And then, yeah, about year after that was when things
started to really happen. So last year's January when I was in the podcast with Bitcoin Beats guys
for invited to mass adoption and then I got this inspiration to see if I could play elsewhere.
My work is in a way kind of supportive of this because we already have offices in five countries
with the company. And so I get the travel to these offices to meet the team. So I could all see that
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be in Bangkok at this week. Is there anything happening? Oh, there's a bit
of a talent conference happening during the weekend when I'm already there. So then I just send
email to them, hey, I'm coming, I'm a guitar. If you want a free show, you know, I'm available and
I'd say eight out of ten of these times it has kind of worked out. So it's been really nice and then
every time I play somewhere, if it goes well, then I can get a nice quote from the organizer that,
hey, there are a lot of played here and everybody liked it was cool. And then I can just make
when I make my next email to the next event, I can just like list those quotes there. You know,
marketing, maybe, very, very, very, very low key to do it yourself style, but I love it, man. I love it.
It's such a great, in my day job, I'm a CEO of a, you know, not not not not so small company. So
so to do this like very, very kind of just myself and like trying to learn things as I go along,
it's it's a really nice like, you know, it's a nice hobby to have.
That's a nice balance. That's that's a really cool story, man. That's really cool. So all right, so let's
so a couple of weeks ago, you were over at Bitcoin Atlantis and the Atlas Music Festival and I'm
sure you ran into Joe Martin. So tell us, tell us about that whole event, what you learned and playing
music there and all that fun stuff, man. I'm jealous. That's a beautiful part of the world. I was
bummed I didn't get to go. Yeah, it was a totally outstanding experience. First of all, the
the Bitcoin Atlantis people were so nice. Like they were they were so friendly and so nice and
organized everything like perfectly. So so big kudos for them. But yeah, I mean, the island is
beautiful. I had no idea how beautiful the island actually is. It has like similar features like
that I've seen in Iceland or something, but then it has like this complete tropical paradise
stuff that I've seen maybe in Puget or something. So it's completely amazing. And then the the main
city Funchal is built on this hill. So it kind of when I went there to maybe have a couple of
beers in the sunlight, it reminded me a little bit about like San Francisco or something like that.
So it's amazing combination of really really cool things. And yeah, so the event itself, the conference,
I don't know how they pulled it off. They had like all the biggest names you can ever think of like
from the Bitcoin space, all the all the greatest thinkers and also giving like very original
presentations. So it was not just like here in the same things that these people say in the
in the podcast like every week, but adding something new thing. So the program was perfect. And the
festival itself, it happened on the Saturday. So on the second day of the conference,
it was in this absolutely gorgeous park. You know, normally when you go to music festivals, either
some kind of a field somewhere or a parking lot or something like that, this was beautiful like a garden
like totally amazing place. I mean, like how did they get permission to organize a rock festival
there? I have no idea. Anyway, it's amazing. And then I was the first one to play. I played quite early.
So so a lot of people were probably still having dinner or something. So turn out wasn't like
it was not full capacity when I played. I don't care. I was still at a lot of fun. The organization
was great. The stage sound was great. Everything was perfect. I had so much fun and I'm so grateful I
could do it. And then there were Joe Martin. I played with him in Bristol in the UK last July. So I
already kind of knew him. And he was so wonderful to see him playing with the real band. So in the
Bristol, we both played a fully acoustic, just man and guitar. And I did man and guitar also in
Madera, but he had his full band there and it was gorgeous. Like so good. Perfect sounds, perfect
arrangements, perfect play. Everything was just sounded massive and awesome. Totally, totally great.
And then they had a local band called Napa, which was a really cool in the in the rock band, but
super talented musicians, you know, beat progressive in a way. And really, really sounded really great.
Didn't understand the lyrics, but I'm sure that they were great lyrics.
Portuguese. Portuguese. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. You know, you got finished. You got English. I'm sure you've
got a bit of, you know, Arabic in you know, like you just can't, you know, a little bit, you know,
I mean, it's not like you got a lot of, you know, yeah, come on. You got time on your hands. Do you
learn Portuguese? You know, learn port. I mean, you can play in Brazil, you know. It's on my list,
on my list, 100%. And then there was this completely totally amazing new kind of a
new thing for me, this guy, Tiel Katzman, who is currently from a band called Wolfpeck,
like this modern funk band. Yeah. And I, I, I, I mean, I had kind of completely missed
that wolfpeck thing. So again, good thing for me, because I had like, had the possibility to be
very, very positively surprised. But anyway, he had his solo stuff there and I'm totally
amazing musicians. It's like such talented musicians and really great songs. His new album,
Be the Wheel, I believe, is in the nonstop after the show. Great, great stuff. So,
yeah, I mean, for me, it was a highlight, you know, to, let's say, the current, all time high of,
of the high a low was the, was the Madera show. So obviously I've had so much fun at the
Balticundi Batcher and Bitcoin Amsterdam and Bitcoin Thailand, Hordovian, Mass Adaptual Freedom
Festival. All these places have been amazing, equal amazing, but the kind of being on a big stage
with, you know, small machines and like good lighting and all that kind of stuff, it's just, you know,
it's special. That's great for the experience. You know, that's, that's really cool that you have,
you know, for lack of a better term, like really stuck around, hung in there. And when a lot of
guys would, would never get these types of experiences in their musical career, here you are in your
forties and you're getting it, you know, and you're able to combine your day job and your passion
in, in, in such a great fashion. That's cool, man. Yeah, like being up on stage with good sound,
good lights, fog, that's pretty, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm super happy. And also like very nice
that I found this special way to kind of be part of the Bitcoin community, not just like, you know,
listening to podcasts and enjoying stuff that other people do, which I do all the time, but to give,
you know, a little bit back, you know, maybe some, somebody, some clip gets a smile on their face when
they hear my song and then I feel like I've done my job. So it feels, it feels really great.
You walk around the conference, you get your higher low shirt on. Yeah, you're just, you know,
you're just minding, you're just minding your own business and somebody goes, dude, true seekers.
That's huge. I haven't happened yet, but maybe one day, again, I just do it for the fun of it and,
and you know, get the opportunities to meet great people like yourself. So it's the blessing.
Well, you know, when you think about what Bitcoin is and what Bitcoin can do and you've,
like, yeah, you've probably been the more trade shows and conventions than most Bitcoin holders
than most Maxis, like what, you know, I mean, you've been in this for a long time. As you said,
you kind of got orange pilled a couple years in when it first started with those guys, those,
that dev team. What surprises you the most about Bitcoin? What is it like the, and maybe it's
something that you learned in Portugal a couple weeks ago, but like as it, as it merges with art and,
and it's starting to cast its web around the world and bring people together, like what, what,
what's the, you know, you're 10 years into this, probably, like, what surprises you the most about it?
I think something that I didn't see up until last couple of years when I really, really
gone to these events and especially now when I do my creative stuff on the site as well is that
I really viewed Bitcoin first as like a totally speculative thing that maybe if I invest in the right
time and sell it at the right time, I might like make some, make some euros or something like that.
But then I would into that, hey, this can actually solve a huge problem for the world,
which is the broken money, especially in Alden has put, put, put very well. But what I didn't realize
that, you know, once people do that kind of personal proof of work and, and really kind of a
reevaluate everything that they've learned through the lens of Bitcoin, people get a little bit
kind of transformed in a way. They get transformed in a way that they are starting to think
on things like longer perspective, they're starting to doubt, you know, things that like, you know,
the mainstream media is, or like the commercial media is kind of putting out there as the kind of a,
this is the truth and nothing else, they start, you know, becoming more, you know, family oriented,
more like, hey, let's do something that is actually good for the, you know, future generations,
not like just for the next hour, which has typically been like the American European lifestyle for
a long time. Yeah. So, so, so, so the kind of change, change of like people's attitudes and how
then when we, these people come together, these events, people come from all different cultures,
different parts of the world, different backgrounds, some was, some, some is a doctor, some is a
fireman, some is a punk rocker, some is a, uh, uh, economist, some is a, uh, I don't know, you know,
but then once everybody has gone through this kind of a personal transformation of becoming more like
a long-term thinker and, and seeing the world, trying to find the truth, hence the song truth,
speakers, trying to, you know, see the truth from behind the, you know, smoke screen, then even if we
are like so different, we get along so well. So, normally we don't talk about, you know, Bitcoin
too much and, and, and definitely not about the price. We just talk about like life and stuff and,
and, and, and for some reason, it kind of feels like we know these people before we actually met.
And it's, it's a really great, that I didn't understand when I started kind of
diving into Bitcoin, that it can actually be also like a social revolution.
Yeah. Yeah, those are some really marvelous points, like how it just, how it, like once you dive in
and do the proof of work, how it changes your thought process and starts to move everything
towards a low time preference, you know? Exactly. Yeah. So, all right, so let's say you and I are
let's say you and I are having some beers down by the Skywheel in Helsinki. And,
we see a band and we're like, oh, we got to get these dudes to get their music into value for value.
Like how, how, how would you explain it? How would you explain what value for value can do
for musicians to some band we just saw down by the Skywheel in Helsinki? That's a great question. I would
really, I'm really, really kind of a writing on the great advice that, that, that my friend,
Joe Martin, gave during their panel that they had in, in Madera, he had a really good point,
which I fully agree with is that the way to market value for value or no-coyneur musicians is to say
that it's, it's an additive. It adds on what you're already doing. It's not like, it's not gonna,
not gonna solve the thing that, you know, you get like 10,000 listens in Spotify and then you get
like a cent of money for it. It's not gonna solve that problem now. But what it can do is that when
you put your music to wave like, you might get, you know, new, new people from the Bitcoin community
that, that like your song and they immediately start sending money, tipping you in Bitcoin. So now you
get this new revenue stream that comes straight from the fan, straight to you, no middleman. And it's
very punk rock. It's very like, you know, that should be like the ethos of, of any kind of in the artist
that, you know, go straight to the fan, right? And no middleman. So I would definitely say that
looking to these tools like wave like, found in others, see if they can, if you can with the minimum
effort, like, you know, put your profile up there, put your music there and then kind of promote it
a little bit to your fans and see how it feels like. You know, you're not, you're not gonna lose anything.
Like, yeah, the option was that you were not there. Now you're there and you might get some stats.
And you know, people, when they like something, they could send you like 10,000 sacks or 50,000 sats.
That's actually, it's real money. And then you would have to get like, uh,
100,000 or million listens is Spotify to get the same money. So like, even if you,
the actual numbers are small, but, you know, the quality of those kind of listens,
a quality of the, the, the audience is so much higher because like one happy,
blood can give you more money than Spotify can give you a bowl like two million listens. So that's
something that I would tell to these people. Yeah, I tell people something similar, but I really
love the use of the word additive. You know, as if it's like another ingredient in your food type of
thing. I mean, because I tell, I tell musicians all the time. And as a matter of fact, like,
right before you, you and I got on this call, I was talking to salty crayon and in telegram.
A salty's got updates, right? And he's down in Texas. And, um, and I, and I, I was saying, you know,
everybody's got to, you know, just keep doing everything that you're doing. But just, and I tell people,
add this into your business mix, add this into your, your business plan, your revenue stream, because I,
I kind of look at, at, um, independent musicians like bands like Fumble or Joe Martin, Sarah Jade,
you guys are all small business owners. So you got to do whatever you can't to increase your revenue
stream. Um, but the, the use of the word additive, I think is really smart. I'm going to steal that from
Joe. Thanks, Joe. I'm going to steal that from you, buddy. Yeah. That's, that's great. Let me ask you,
you know, there's a, I'm, there's a, uh, an anti-spotify backlash, um, or an anti-spotify
sentiment, um, with artists here in the States, with respect to, you know, point zero, zero, three
cents per stream. Um, is that, um, and now I know that in Scandinavia, the payouts are higher.
Um, is, is there a, um, an anti-spotify sentiment with, uh, musicians in Finland and, and in Europe as
well, or is it not as prevalent as it is here in the States? I'd say that, uh, again, I've been
now living outside of Finland for some time, but, uh, I remember at, at least maybe five, six
years ago, years ago, there was a big backlash. I remember there was a Facebook group of Finnish
musicians that were very upset about the Spotify payouts and, and these kind of things. But I have to
say, again, I'm not defending Spotify in any way, but I used to have a music tech business, uh,
back in the day. That was the reason why I was living in the US and, and one of our, like, biggest
distribution channels for our app was the Spotify app store. So we were quite familiar with the Spotify
business model and stuff. They actually pay so much for the labels. They pay like 70% or something
like that of their revenue to the labels. So in a way, you could say that maybe the artists go to the
labels and get better data from the labels. Yeah. That's like, there's very little that Spotify can do
when they, they already paid 70% to the labels. Do you think I'm not defending them in any way, but
fair, but fair. I mean, could you could remember? Yeah. I mean, let's be honest, it's really easy to,
to, to, to, to, to shit on the big kid on the, on the block, right? I mean, it's real easy for us to
shake our fists at them when we don't really know the full breakdown of everything that goes on
behind the scenes. And I've heard just last week I had a meeting with a guy here in Nashville who is,
you know, deep in the industry. Let's just put it that way. And he's like, you know, I don't, he said
to me and I hadn't heard anybody else say this before. He's like, you know, 70%, 76% of their revenue,
they have to pay out to other people to other companies. He said, I personally, I wouldn't be surprised
and I see you nodding your head in agreement. I, I, he said, I wouldn't be surprised if they are out
of business in three years. And I'm like, holy shit. I don't even think about that. I don't even think.
Yeah. I, I, I mean, I mean, I don't know. I haven't looked into their finances lately, but there was
a time, at least, when they do a heavy, heavy crowd, he was pretty much like having a business model of
going to the store and buying beers for like one, one dollar each and then outside having a stand
and selling them for like eight, eight cents each to get users. So yeah, you can get users, but you're
making a loss every time you get the user. But at least they were able to, you know, go to the stock
market and all these, these things at the right time. Yeah. So I guess, I guess the investors at least
are happy, happy with the results. You know what's interesting is that I've, now I've, I've been in
sales over here in the States in several different industries, obviously in entertainment.
But also as a general contractor, also in wholesale produce, you know, like selling
ballots of, you know, romaine lettuce and bananas to, you know, pop to the grocery stores. I did that
for five years. I also sold engineered products. And my current day job here in the States is I'm in
finance. I do mortgages and it, it, it, when you talk about goods and services, like in my experience,
like the bottom margin that I have seen in so many different industries, hovers right around like
30, 31, 32%. You know, and I, it's been fascinating for me having worked in so many industries to see
that margin kind of like, you know, when it was in construction, there were times when my margin was
higher, but in produce, my margin was around 32% in engineered services. My margin was 30 to 35. And
I'm like, wow, that's, you know, it's two different industries, but the margin's the same. I see that
number in so many different industries around the economy that when I hear somebody say, hey,
Spotify is paying out 76%. I don't think they're going to be around in three years. My, my, my mind
immediately goes to, to that 32% margin. And I'm like, yeah, that makes sense, right? Like, you'll
be interesting to see what happens. Be interesting to see what happens. It will be, it will be, they do have
though a big brand and, you know, yeah. So I think that person, I think that they have a future, but we'll
see somebody will buy them and buy up all the debt and whatever. Yeah. We'll see, we'll see. But again,
like I'm more, Spotify is kind of like, you know, way like, you know, part of our world already. So not
so interesting anymore. Wave Lake, these kind of services, that's where the future is. I'm so excited
about them. Like some of the guys are doing amazing job there. I mean, it's very early, but all it takes
is to have some big artists to start like maybe putting not all of their stuff there, but like one
or so, like that to kind of throw the eyes of the world there. I think there's a lot of potential there.
That's why I'm really happy. Every time I release something, I put it first in the way. Like, yeah, I think
somebody, I've said it publicly many, many times. I think somebody is going to break from this space
within the next year or two. I am, and most people that I talk to that are in value for value, they're
like, I'm thinking three to five years. I'm like, I don't know. I think it'll be quicker than that. You
know, everything is moving faster now than it did when we were kids. You know, when we were coming
out of the industry, you know, my wife and I actually met at a.com in Santa Monica in 1999.
And if you think about how technology was moving then and how much quicker it's moving now,
I think it'll happen sooner than later. That's my personal feeling. Well,
that's my hope. Yeah. Now tell us about what you got coming up or are you going to
you have a gig in El Salvador coming up? Yep. So they had the howling party. I always did it
and excuse to go to the Bitcoin country and I got it. And obviously, at least who was one of
the organizers of well, the organizer of how do we in Charlotte played a big role in giving me
the getting me the opportunity to play there. So I am so stoked to go there in a few weeks.
See the see the place where Bitcoin adoption is like, let's say, further,
the long nations state level, but also to be able to take part in this amazing event and play
with, with create artists like Roger 9000 and other other favorite people from the Bitcoin scene.
So I'm going to be super amazing. That'll be cool. And I see you have
and you're and you keep posting stuff up on YouTube. You got a YouTube channel.
Yeah. What's the latest one you put up there?
The latest one is the song, welcome to the dawn. All right. Right. Right. Yeah.
You did more like an unrare song maybe if it's a, but yeah, that was the first time I write green screen.
And you know, every time I make a video, I try to learn some new trick and maybe maybe in 10
years, they start like looking good. Oh, I think it's great, man. I have a lot of, I really love your story.
Just the whole, the whole intersection of punk bands as a kid, technology, sociology, world travel,
Bitcoin, like, man, you're doing it. You're, you're, you're really living the life and you are a great
ambassador for this, for this movement and it's, it's a pleasure talking to you. Let me,
but before we, we wrap it up with the song, let me ask you two fun questions.
Number one, top five albums of all time. And, and, and remember, remember, your answers are probably
wrong, but that's, that's okay.
Okay, so, okay, albums that have really influenced me. Okay, well, I'll just listen, listen, so
born to run by Bruce Springsteen. Amazing. The Black love from African weeks. That's amazing. Yeah.
Then all of the chore-breaker albums, maybe Biobak, something like that, super amazing.
Samaya, I'm sore. And then some of the first albums of Frank Turner, maybe those ones,
I'll, I'll put those, those are the albums that have like kind of, wouldn't be like when I've been
certain direction, then after taking heavy dose of those, those albums, like, I've kind of changed
direction somewhat and it's, it's been really amazing. Wow, that's a cool, that's a cool mix. And I always
love it when, you know, when somebody from, quote unquote, the other side of the world starts, you know,
I'm always curious, like, how the hell did Afghan Wigs make it into Finland, right? Like that type of thing,
right? Like, that's, that's, that's so cool. That's one of the beautiful things about music and art,
right? Yeah, yeah. So I have to get out just a little quick story. So we had a pattern practice, 91,
and then our bass player at the time was part of the sub-pok, like, singles of the club, some,
singles of the month club or something like that. So he got like records sent from, from Seattle to,
to him every month. And so one band practice, he said, "Rami, you have to listen to this. This,
there's only two copies in Finland. This is one of them. Go home and listen to this. I'll go,
go home, take the album, put it on my vinyl player
and put my headphones on and put it on
and then like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it was like, the, never mind.
Yeah, and I was like maybe, one or two months before the,
the video, like, cable to MTV,
and like, exploded the whole thing, but he was laughing.
And when I listened to the whole album, I was like,
this is something new now, something new,
which is going to happen with this album. And yeah, I was kind of,
kind of right.
I even had tickets, tickets to see Nirvana,
that, that same fall in, in a, in a squad, hot, literally like,
an old squad house that was in Helsinki,
they had like, punk shows, so they were scheduled to play there.
Obviously, they canceled, 'cause they moved into Arriness and stuff like that,
but I, I, I, I, I, I, I may still have the tickets somewhere, like,
seeing Nirvana, a full of two,
Yeah Yeah, that is cool, but I did see them on the summer of 92 in a festival.
Then how was it?
That's my next question.
Top five concerts.
Go.
OK.
Well, Ray took us to machine 1994 in roastедa, that was totally amazing.
Well, obviously, seeing Nirvana was great.
The show was kind of chaotic.
I also played a part because I was in the most fit and maybe not focusing on the musical output
so much, but it was like, you know, well, worth it.
I have to say one show that was really impactful for me, because there was this huge break
when COVID was happening, not to see anything.
So I was in Austin last year and I was just two days there and I was looking at my, like,
what's going on?
And then this American, like, kind of a rock slash emo band called "Christ" had a show
there.
And they were one of my, like, all-time favorite bands from back in the day.
So I went to see them and to see, like, a really, really talented rock band, like a pool
on show after the craziness of three years, not seeing anything like big during the COVID
times, it was just mind blowing.
So definitely cause it very high on my list, but partially because it was such a big, like,
emotional, like, breakthrough after the COVID fog.
But then other ones, I've seen, obviously, Bruce Springsteen, played in Finland, amazing
show, like, over three hours and played all the hits with the history band, totally great
stuff.
And then maybe one more.
Well, I have to say, okay, this is great one.
1992, the lemon heads in the same squad house where Nerva and I was supposed to be playing
and they were promoting the album with the same about Ray.
Complete.
It's the first time in my life when I go see a show, I haven't heard the album yet.
And after the one show, I remember every song.
I could basically, when I heard the album afterwards, I could sing along with every, every
song in the album just after that one show.
So that, that, that, yeah, definitely, that actually might be the best so I've ever seen.
That is awesome.
And I'm sitting here with my jaw open and I'm like, you know, maybe I had, maybe I had
to include the video for these podcasts because I'm like, damn, you saw the lemon heads
in 92.
Man, you know, that just sounds so punk rock, right?
It's like, you know, it's like you're 80 years old.
You got a cigarette hanging out of your mouth.
You're like, I saw the lemon heads in 92 and the flop house in Helsinki.
And then, you know, that's awesome.
Oh, I love those.
I love those types of stories, man.
That's so cool.
I always love asking other musicians those types of questions because, you know, their
light, their eyes might have.
That's a great question because like, it's just put me down a huge memory lane.
So, you can really see their eyes light up, right?
When they start talking about like that, their favorite concepts and things like that.
You know, I had a similar experience too coming out of COVID, like, you know, because we
moved here to Nashville literally about six weeks before COVID hit, right?
So we got here and we're excited and we start to get a feel for the town and then you're
never think shuts down.
It's like, crap, right?
So, like, the first concert that we saw actually, we actually went to the opera house.
My parents were coming in town to visit us after everything.
It finally started to settle down.
And we went to the opera, Grand Old Opera, just for their regular Friday night show, which
is like a, you know, it's like a cablecade of stars type of thing.
And it was just marvelous.
Like, you know, I mean, I'm not a huge country fan.
I'm not your music guy, but just to be able to see live music again and just to experience
it again, like there, I mean, I'm not kidding, man, there was a lot of people who were crying.
They were like, thank God it's back, right?
Like, you know, thank God music was back.
So, well, listen to the promise.
I, yeah, listen, man, this has been a lot of fun.
I really appreciate you coming on the show.
We're going to, we're going to wrap up the show with your song, Greatest Teacher.
Tell us a little bit about it.
Oh, yeah.
So, this song was, first of all, thank you for having me.
It's been a great conversation and really, said to me down the memory lane and, you know,
we'll be smiling for a couple of hours after this.
Right on.
So, yeah, so the, so the, the, the greatest teacher is kind of a song that I wrote in the depths
of the bear market.
That was probably the time when, when FDX was blowing up, all these kind of things, you
know, 15,000-bit going and, yeah, I was just like, you know, I would learn to huddle, you
know, I've been those, those times, you know, I remember the night when the COVID crash, then
we went from 8,000 to like 4,000 in, in, in, in, in, in like a couple of hours.
And it was the middle of the night in Finland.
And I was just, you know, doing something like waking up and, and going to get a glass of water
or something like that and just looking at my phone like, oh my goodness, like, we're really
going down.
And then I was like, well, I'm just going to go back to sleep, slept like a baby.
And then in the morning, like, okay, we're up a little bit and started, let's just buy
more.
And I realized that I've really chosen to become like a long-term huddleer and not like panic
selling when, when, when things are happening.
So anyways, this song is about the feeling that, uh, that you get when you kind of, you experience
this pain of seeing your like, let's say, fiat value of your portfolio, or down like 80%
but you still just, you know, see that the world is actually, like, these are actually
happening faster than you think that, you know, the, the prophecies that the Bitcoin
theorists have made over the years are actually coming through much faster than, than we, we
all realized.
So all we need to do is just to kind of take the pain, smile, huddle, stay humble and just
move forward and, and like, take the world with us.
Staxum sats.
Yeah, right on.
Rami, otherwise known as the higher low, otherwise known as the finish Bitcoin global
gig traveling dude, like man, you're like, where's Waldo, man?
It's like, where the hell is he?
Is he in Saudi Arabia?
No, he's in El Salvador.
No, he's in Thailand.
No, it like, you'll probably be like the first Bitcoin musician to play a gig in like an
article or some shit like that.
At least I'm used to the call coming from Finland.
That's true.
You got it in your blood, buddy.
You got it in your blood.
Well, cheers, man.
So stick around, we'll talk a little bit afterwards, but really appreciate you.
Yeah, really appreciate you coming on the show and here is greatest teacher on the Phantom
Power artist hour.
So down, focus on the task, hear yourselves, where I direct die, without theories come
down, dead out.
Well, come on out and soul on, world's falling big, now I'm the first one falling, but I'm the first one.
Because pain is the greatest teacher.
Love to kill, I have no, love to kill, I know.
Breathe out, appreciate the time, tank down, against runner and off-my, we're bound,
filled with scum, tank down
Welcome on, mad at summer, welcome in bed, numbers to fall in, mad at, went back to sleep, those pain as the greatest teacher, pain as the greatest teacher, pain as the greatest teacher,
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Oh, to see the lemon heads in 1992, let alone rage and Nirvana in 1992 in Europe.
Like where the vibe is different. Like I was fortunate enough to live in Europe and go to a couple of concerts and the concert vibe is different over there.
So, jealous! Hey, Rami, thanks dude. That was a lot of fun. And he of course is the higher low.
And you can check out all of his tracks over on Wayblake. You can also find him on Instagram and YouTube.
So that'll do it for today's Phantom Power Artist Hour.
Thank you guys so much for the boost in the sats. We typically review those on Friday when we do the Phantom Power Music review.
You can always find us on Telegram and on Noster of course. And if you guys know any musicians who are interested in getting into this space, please send them our way.
You can check out our website at phantompowermusic.io.
Of course the sats for today's show are being split with the higher low.
And we hope you guys were sending some sats his way.
If you find value in this podcast, thank you very much for contributing to it.
This has been a lot of fun and we're going to keep going.
So that'll do it. Enjoy your Sunday, St. Patrick's Day.
Go out and get some bangers and mash.
Couple Guinness. Have a couple Guinness for me, will you?
I had to quit a long time ago.
That's a different story. Alright, I'll shut up. See you guys!
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