1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [Music] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Hey everybody, welcome back to Phantom Power Artist Hour. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Got a great guest for you on today's Value Cast. 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 It's not a podcast, it's a value cast. 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:35,000 It's a value cast because of the direct exchange of value between the listener and the host or the guests, right? 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Because you guys can send in little tiny bits of Bitcoin. 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Because you guys believe in value for value. 8 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,000 And you guys are listening on a modern podcasting 2.0 app. 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 You know all that. 10 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:58,000 Today's guest is singer songwriter Jessica Lynn Whitty. 11 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 And you are familiar with her work over on Wadley. 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:09,000 She's got at least 10 tracks posted up there and she is a great country singer songwriter. 13 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Her background might surprise you. 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Where she's from might surprise you. 15 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:23,000 So I hope you stick around and listen to this great interview, this fun time we had this afternoon. 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:36,000 And you're going to learn about her background, you're going to learn about publishing, you're going to learn about tracking songs in Nashville with these amazing artists, these amazing session players that are here. 17 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,000 And I'm just going to leave it at that because this conversation is a lot of fun. 18 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:48,000 I am going to shut up and we are going to play Weekend State of Mind by Jessica Lynn Whitty. 19 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 And then we're going to bring her on the show. 20 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Everybody ready? 21 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Got your popcorn? 22 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Excellent, here we go. 23 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:15,000 [Music] 24 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Monday creeps around too early. 25 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,000 I embrace a brand new star. 26 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:32,000 L and Tuesday comes around. That's when I start my countdown. 27 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,000 I make the best of where we are. 28 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:43,000 I've got a Weekend State of Mind taking one fake at a time. 29 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Thoughts out to key the song in mind. 30 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 It's what gets me through the grind. 31 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:56,000 I'm way to kick back in on one. I've got a Weekend State of Mind. 32 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 [Music] 33 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,000 It's called Humpty for a reason. 34 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 But it's all downhill from here. 35 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:17,000 With the first days on the road, I can fit in my soul. 36 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 And that we're almost in the clean. 37 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:28,000 I've got a Weekend State of Mind taking one fake at a time. 38 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Thoughts out to key the song in mind. 39 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 It's what gets me through the grind. 40 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:41,000 I'm way to kick back in on one. I've got a Weekend State of Mind. 41 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 [Music] 42 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,000 I'm hanging with my friends until the weekend ends. 43 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 'Till I be recharged and I can't stop. 44 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,000 I'll over again. 45 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:07,000 [Music] 46 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:13,000 I've got a Weekend State of Mind taking one fake at a time. 47 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Thoughts out to key the song in mind. 48 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,000 It's what gets me through the grind. 49 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,000 I'm way to kick back in on one. I've got a Weekend State of Mind taking one fake at a time. 50 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Thoughts out to key the song in mind. 51 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 It's what gets me through the grind. 52 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 I'm way to kick back in on one. 53 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,000 I've got a Weekend State of Mind. 54 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,000 I've got a Weekend State of Mind. 55 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:49,000 [Music] 56 00:04:49,000 --> 00:05:03,000 And that is Weekend State of Mind by Jessica Lynn Whitty who is on the line on the phone on the mic with us for the Phantom Power artist hour. 57 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Hey Jessica, how are you? 58 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 How are you doing, Jim? 59 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,000 I'm doing great. Nice to see you again. 60 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 It's been a little while. 61 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 I know. It has been. 62 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Fold disclosure. You and I know each other. 63 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 We do. We do. 64 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,000 This is like an artist hour conversation between two friends. 65 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Exactly. 66 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,000 It doesn't get more behind the scenes than that does it? 67 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Yeah, because we're so scandalous. 68 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Oh, totally, totally. 69 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Yeah, God. 70 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Two dead people. 71 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,000 There's not two boring musicians out there. 72 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Yeah, you and I would probably fall in that. 73 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Probably. 74 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000 We're pretty normal first musicians go. 75 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 But I appreciate you coming on line. 76 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:58,000 I appreciate you jumping into this whole value for value, wave, like music, Phantom Power, music world and sharing your talents. 77 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Yeah, sharing your talents with everybody. 78 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 It's been fun for me to see people around the world. 79 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Like I was just looking in wave, like salty crayon commenting on the salt again today or dove. 80 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Yeah, so we're in London, you know, talking about your songs. 81 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:25,000 But I, but I don't know it that everybody has the full background of, you know, of you and. 82 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 And, and how Denmark falls in with all of this. 83 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 And you're crazy. 84 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 You're crazy journey into country music. 85 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Sure. 86 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,000 I was going to say James, I'm not really sure I have the full best crown, but I'll give you what I got. 87 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Well, yeah, and I can, and I can see that beautiful Washington state sky behind behind you in the. 88 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Yeah, we got a rare sunny day here today. 89 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Oh, I miss it. 90 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 I miss it. 91 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,000 It's actually, yeah, I got a Seattle day here in Nashville. 92 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 I was just actually. 93 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Oh, congratulations. 94 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 That's right. 95 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Yeah, it's raining. 96 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 That's going to be raining tomorrow. 97 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Fun. 98 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,000 All right. 99 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:08,000 So tell us how does, so for those of, so for the listeners who don't know, how does a woman who. 100 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Is such a good songwriter in the country space who is who in many respects is from Denmark. 101 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Yeah. 102 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,000 How in the wide world of sports, did you get from Denmark? 103 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Like what's the Denmark and Seattle connection? 104 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Sure. 105 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 What's the whole country music thing? 106 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Give us the scoop. 107 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Give us the fact. 108 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 All right. 109 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,000 All right. 110 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Well, I mean, I've always considered myself half and half, even though I grew up in Denmark. 111 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 So I grew up in Denmark. 112 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 And Denmark went to school there. 113 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,000 My dad is American and lives in the Seattle area. 114 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,000 And so I would go back and forth in the summers and visit my dad. 115 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,000 So that's kind of the American connection. 116 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,000 But I lived the first 30 years of my life in Denmark. 117 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:03,000 And, but as when I was a kid, that little connection with Seattle gave me. 118 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:12,000 And, like, kind of like an intro and a little bit more than just the taste of country music as we know it. 119 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 So, you know, then we're talking the 90s. 120 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Oh, I'm dating myself now. 121 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 We're talking the 90s. 122 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 All right. 123 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:24,000 And I'm, you know, I'm hearing for the first time this thing called new country. 124 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:31,000 And we got, you know, Don Michael Montgomery at Garth Brooks and Rebell McIntyre. 125 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,000 We first used Toby Keith. 126 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,000 All right. 127 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 He, yes, absolutely. 128 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,000 He was top of the game right then, right? 129 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,000 I mean, he was until until just recently, yes. 130 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,000 And, and then, you know, Faith Hill came out with the wild one, which was like her debut. 131 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:58,000 And that was also my debut into country music finding this like really interesting coexistence of wholeness in a way. 132 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:08,000 I mean, I know country is all about, you know, drinking and partying and all that stuff, but there's some really good like down to earth country values in country music. 133 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 And at least there was at that time. 134 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:16,000 And that's kind of what pulled on me rather than everything being about storytelling. 135 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Yeah, exactly. 136 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 There's more storytelling. 137 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Hold on you. 138 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Right. 139 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Exactly. 140 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Rather than everything just being about like Shake your booty. 141 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 Right. 142 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:32,000 And that was kind of the connection I fell in love with country music when I was, I think about 12 years old. 143 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Correct me if I'm wrong. 144 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 I think that's about the time when Faith Hill came out with wild one. 145 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:43,000 And it was actually in Denmark that I found it, but then as I was traveling back and forth in the summers. 146 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:51,000 My dad would drop us off at the mall and my two sisters would go straight for, you know, the closed stores and I'd head straight for the record store. 147 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,000 And I brought home so many cassette tapes and CDs. 148 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 That was that time. 149 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:02,000 I had a great collection at one point of just the 90s country music. 150 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,000 And so that was kind of like my first love when it comes to music. 151 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 And also my first dabble into songwriting, really. 152 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Well, yeah, and to date you and I, Faith Hill. 153 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 Yes, let's just do it. 154 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Let's just own it. 155 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Faith Hill's Warner Warner release. 156 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Wild one came out in 1993. 157 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Oh, it was wrong. 158 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 So, so, so 14 for me. 159 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Yeah. 160 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Okay. 161 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,000 I feel like it was earlier than that for me, but hey. 162 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Well, you know, Abe Lincoln said the internet doesn't lie. 163 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,000 So I'm going to have to go with what the internet's telling me. 164 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Of course. 165 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Yes. 166 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Of course. 167 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 It's there. It's true. 168 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,000 And as far as like going to the record store for, you know, creating a kickass library, 169 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:56,000 like as you can see behind me, like there's about a thousand of those plastic thingies there. 170 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Yes. 171 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Never get any play anymore. 172 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Yeah, probably not. 173 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Well, you need something to play them on. 174 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 That's the problem, right? 175 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Yeah, they're, yeah. 176 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,000 You know, I mean, you can use your DVD player, but who the hell uses your DVD player anymore? 177 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Oh, yeah, DVD player anymore. 178 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 I know. 179 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 I mean, I mean, series. 180 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,000 I know. 181 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000 It's the problem. 182 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,000 But it's next, it's next to my VHS player. 183 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Exactly. 184 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 And the beta max, right before that. 185 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 And hey, you know, maybe we'll get a comeback like vinyl. 186 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Who knows? 187 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000 I'm going to give you a heads up. 188 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 My dog might start barking in a minute, but I'm worried. 189 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 I'm so. 190 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Let me jump back. 191 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 There's the dog. 192 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:41,000 I remember being in Switzerland, living in Switzerland in 93 and looking at some country music. 193 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:50,000 And there, there were some country artists in Switzerland singing in Swiss German, which is a slang of high German. 194 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:58,000 And it, and I just, I, I was just blown away that to be in such a different culture. 195 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,000 And I'm granted, I know that Switzerland is not Denmark. 196 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,000 I know the languages are different. 197 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:10,000 I know there is a world of culture between that 10 hour drive from Copenhagen down to Lutsaren, where I was. 198 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Why do you think that country music is popular in, in, in Europe, right? 199 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Or even, you know, more specifically Scandinavia, like what, why, what is it about country music that, that Europeans. 200 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Attached themselves to. 201 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:37,000 You know, I don't think I can answer that because when I left Denmark in 2010, country music certainly was not popular. 202 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 They didn't get it. 203 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 I didn't understand it. 204 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:48,000 I'd say it's a little bit different now, but I don't know what it's like, obviously, because I live here now. 205 00:12:48,000 --> 00:13:00,000 So, but, but I will say that I think the part, the part of them that likes a good Western is going to love a good country song. 206 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Because those two things are quintessential American, right? 207 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,000 It's, it's very, it's very, and it's something we don't have in Europe. 208 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:18,000 We have a lot of history and a lot of other things, but you don't have that Wild West American dream. 209 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 That's just so very American. 210 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:27,000 And I think that's that, and that's, you know, my theory to why the people who do love it really do love it. 211 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:33,000 And I hear it's coming, it's getting a lot more now with, I mean, Spotify was only a Swedish thing when I moved over here. 212 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,000 So, you know, with Spotify being everywhere and streaming and then, and then, you know, now these other platforms. 213 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Definitely, there's a lot of, a lot more accessibility than people kind of get to tune into other things that they wouldn't have access to otherwise. 214 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:56,000 I don't do my guess, but again, it's, I fell, fell for it a long time before that. 215 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Yeah. 216 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:08,000 I wonder, and you don't have to answer this question, but I, but I would be very curious to know like I, I, I, I probably need to find a European artist to answer this question. 217 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,000 I can help you with that. 218 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,000 But what, what, but here's where I'm going. This is deep, right? 219 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,000 And, and, and I'm not here to talk about politics and I'm not here to talk about religion. 220 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,000 I'm here to talk about music. 221 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:33,000 But I remember being on tour in Europe in 91, 92 and 93 and at that time, post-Golf War, post Reagan, America really quote unquote at the top of its game, whether you disagree with that statement or not. 222 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:40,000 If you were in Europe at the time, Americans and, and the country was really highly regarded. 223 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:48,000 I, and I, and the culture was just washing over there in waves in terms of music and in terms of movies and whatnot. 224 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Fashion, no, fashion has always come from. 225 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Do the way around. 226 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Yeah. 227 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Yeah. 228 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Okay. 229 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,000 But I did, I did bring back a bunch of Levi's. 230 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 So, did you? 231 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Right on. 232 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Okay. 233 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,000 So, but, but here's where I'm going with this. 234 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:14,000 I, I think that when, and I still speak with, with my friends in Europe quite a bit, thanks to social media. 235 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,000 And again, I'm not making a statement on what, on what has happened. 236 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 I'm, I'm not saying pro-Wercon, what's happened in this country in the last seven or eight years. 237 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:30,000 But I have noticed that America's cultural standing and acceptance around the world has taken a hit. 238 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:43,000 So, I'm very curious as to what the modern take or, you know, the, what people think of, of, of pop music and country music coming out of America now. 239 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Do they like it more? 240 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Do they like it less? 241 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Is there a correlation between, because 30, 30 years ago when I was over there on tour, like people couldn't get enough of it. 242 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:59,000 But now when I talk to my friends who live over in Europe, they're like, we have no interest in coming over there for a vacation. 243 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:05,000 I'm not asking for an opinion on that. That's just something that I will be very curious to, to, to, to, to dive into. 244 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,000 I don't know, maybe, maybe your friends and family over there have something to do. 245 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Well, I, I remember experiencing it because I lived there for the best part of the 80s and 90s and, or, and the first decade of the 2000s. 246 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 What do we call those zeros? 247 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,000 The 10, the, anyway, the, the, what? 248 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:27,000 What? 249 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:36,000 For, for most of the 80s and 90s, America was fascinating and wonderful and anything quality came from there. 250 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000 This is my experience. 251 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000 I'm just saying. 252 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000 It's very subjective. 253 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 And then around 2000 things shifted. 254 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 And all of a sudden it was more of a, 255 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:55,000 what is, you know, like, and again, this was my experience of other people around me going, why would you want to go to America? 256 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:02,000 I mean, especially with the way things are run now and like all that stuff, I remember shifting from that, like, 257 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,000 yeah, America to, oh, no, I'm not America. 258 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,000 And that's because of 9/11 and Bush, you think or what? 259 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:16,000 That's a, that's a, that's a good question. It could be, or it just could be one of those things that shifts, right? 260 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:25,000 I mean, our allies shift all the time and again, now I'm not, I don't like chopping politics either, but so of course, what are opinions, right? 261 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Yeah. 262 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:38,000 And I just remember feeling like I didn't agree with that because, yeah, I can see, I can see what's, you know, what's well with this country. 263 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:52,000 And I can also see a lot of faults in Europe, but generally speaking, I felt more like an American just in my values and the way I want to live my life and the things that America stands for. 264 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,000 And whether or not America, America stands for is actually being lived. That's the whole other thing, right? 265 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000 That's the whole other podcast. 266 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:10,000 That's another podcast. Let's, let's, let's be those podcast users to talk about that. But, but for me, that was the choice that I made to move was because I felt like I belonged more here. 267 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Yeah. 268 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Cool. 269 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:25,000 So you're over here, you're kind of like a, like a latchkey kid, you know, with divorced parents jumping, instead of jumping between houses, you jumping between continents. 270 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 That's what I did for many years. 271 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000 Right on. 272 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Okay. 273 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:37,000 And you set up shop in Tacoma in Seattle area because that's where your dad was from and you're very familiar with it. 274 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:46,000 And you and I met when you were like the coordinator for what, what, what was that kid's music program in Tacoma? 275 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Oh, yeah. 276 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Ted Brown music, their outreach program, which is a nonprofit. So, so music is a, is a, a chain of great stores. 277 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Yeah. And it's a way to shop there instead of, you know, some of the bigger ones that I've always thought of that, but they have almost everything. 278 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 They have an outreach program, a nonprofit. 279 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:16,000 And within that nonprofit is live it out loud, which is a, a kids, like a teen program to experience during a summer, what it's like to be in a band and to be a musician and all that. 280 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:24,000 And so I took over that, live it out loud program in 2017 as the director and passed it on after 19. 281 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000 So I got to do it for three years. 282 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Right before COVID, I passed it on. 283 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,000 So nice. 284 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,000 I think I might, I might have lucked out on that one, but good looking out there. 285 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Yeah, right. 286 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,000 But it was very, it was very rewarding and very fun. And I got to meet people like you, right? 287 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Because Ainsley was young enough to be in the program at that time. 288 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Yeah. 289 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,000 So I think it was really a great, really great program and a great experience. 290 00:19:49,000 --> 00:20:00,000 I mean, these kids got to play the more in Seattle, they got to, like, that Cameron came in and talked to him and like, you know, and yet you guys, you guys taught him structure. 291 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,000 You got, you taught him the importance of listening when you're in a live setting. 292 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:12,000 I was just so blown away, but, and I think it was so cool of you to donate your time to do that for the kids. 293 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:22,000 And for me, like, I mean, I don't know, you probably thought about this too when you saw the program thinking, if that had been there when I was a kid, right? 294 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Oh, I would be all over it. 295 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Oh, yeah, totally. 296 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 I would save up for summers on end if it cost a lot of money. 297 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:38,000 That would look like it wasn't like it was pretty affordable, but it was, but again, it was like, you got to play this thing on a stage and play with other musicians. 298 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:51,000 And it was all the stuff that when I'm, because I wasn't a professional musician before I moved to the state. So in 2010, I threw myself into it and got to learn all this stuff that I then was able to pass on to these kids. 299 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:59,000 And like, they really early would it were able to figure out, oh, it's not all just playing or singing. 300 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000 It's, there's all these other things. 301 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:14,000 It's a hell of a lot of work. Well, and you had a lot of street, you had a lot of street cred to be able to run that thing starting in 2017 because your first record catch me if you can. 302 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,000 That came out in 2016, right? 303 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:24,000 But you hit in, so tell us that was actually my first Nashville recording. 304 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Oh, you're okay. 305 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Yeah, I had a, a couple of singles before that. 306 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Yeah, because so what walk us through like when you started writing and recording to tell us when, when that happened, like when you got serious about your first recordings and, and where they were, where you do. 307 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Well, I mean, there was always this whole tug of war between the West, you know, the Pacific Northwest being Seattle to come up that area. 308 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:03,000 And Nashville, because again, all country music starts in Nashville. That's just in our heads, right? 309 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:10,000 And I, I had my support, my network, everything was, was in the Pacific Northwest. 310 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:16,000 And I often had like the, that tug of war of well, should I just move there? 311 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,000 And or, you know, what, or should I stay, can I stay here and do the same thing? 312 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:29,000 Because the world was changing so much at that time too, that all of a sudden, you know, all the online stuff became so prevalent. 313 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:36,000 And, and, and actually there's, there are certain things that you can do from anywhere that you couldn't before you had to be in Nashville, right? 314 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000 So, like, I had that tug of war going on. 315 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:46,000 And so I started, but because like my network and everything, I had, like, had a job, I had a, my family. 316 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:52,000 And I just was like, I mean, imagine you're, you're not just moving from one state to the other, right? You're completely new culture. 317 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:58,000 You go to try and find a job, you don't have, they can't call your references because they're in Denmark. 318 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:06,000 I mean, so it's like, like, there was, there were a lot of things that I was dealing with at the time, but I immediately went out and tried to figure out where can I record? 319 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000 How can I get, at that point, I was talking demos, right? How can I get some demos recorded? 320 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:25,000 And just go and do the thing and just have something to show people what it is I'm thinking that I want to do because that was the, that was the biggest thing is is just, if you didn't have something to send someone, then what are you doing? 321 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:31,000 So, and then from, from then to now, it's now it's more of a, everybody just releases stuff. 322 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:41,000 It's not even a question anymore. Back then it was like, should you, should you really, I mean, CD Baby did exist. So, you know, do you want to self release? What do you want to do? 323 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:48,000 So basically the first few years I was, I recorded in, with Kevin Jones in turn studios. 324 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Great quality recordings. Got a great, had a great experience, but I never got that feeling of, this is, this is what I was looking for. 325 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:18,000 It was more Americana, it was more, you know, Northwest country. And then I, I connected with, with London Bridge and the London Bridge studios up in shoreline, which they've done a lot of the, grunge stuff and they've also newer times recorded Brandy Carlylell and Matlamore and so they've had, they have a really good. 326 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:26,000 That's a gorgeous facility. It's a great, it's a great place. You, you guys probably went up there too with the, for Rem, didn't you? 327 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Yeah, I, I, I, I, and I was in there for, for separate reasons. Yeah. 328 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Oh, yeah, there you go. So it's a wonderful studio. Great producers and put out two singles through there and it got closer to what I wanted. 329 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:47,000 And then when I finally just kind of went, okay, I'm a, go to Nashville. I'm going to get an EP recorded. 330 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,000 That's the first time I felt like, how do you, this is what it is? 331 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:58,000 This is what I wanted to sound like. And so never look back. I recorded basically everything in that real sense. 332 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:06,000 So, so for those musicians who are listening who don't quite understand how this process works, let me, let, let me give a short inversion of it. 333 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:12,000 And if I, if I screwed it up, you tell me, but basically as you've alluded to, you live in Seattle. 334 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,000 And whenever you've got something solid that you want to record, you will fly out here. 335 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:23,000 You've done it a bunch of times. You know exactly what studio you want because you've been here a bunch of times. 336 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,000 You probably know the, the, the, the players you want and the producer you want. 337 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:35,000 And you walk in and for X amount of dollars, you, you say, fellas, ladies, here's the chart. 338 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:44,000 And it takes them two or three passes. And you've got one, two, three songs done in the days. Have pretty close? 339 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:50,000 The first time I had five songs done in three hours session. 340 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Five songs in three hours. And so, and then the next day I went, did vocals, mixes were done, walk out of there with five songs. 341 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 So, so two, two and a half days maybe. 342 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Yeah. And that's how, so for those of you who, whose jaw just hit the floor, that's how it works in Nashville. 343 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:18,000 You walk into a studio, you hire the studio for a day or even for one song for, for a pre agreed arrangement fees. 344 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:28,000 And the studio takes care of the players. And these guys and gals, they look at it that they, they might run it down once. 345 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,000 And then they'll do it again. And on the second take, they probably got it pretty much. 346 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Yeah. I had, I had a couple of insane situations where pretty much everyone got it on first take, which is like, and we're out. 347 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Yeah. But yeah, I mean, a lot of times you just have to check the tempo and make sure. 348 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,000 And I remember this was the first time. So I walk into this one was at, at Beard Studios. 349 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:56,000 And I've recorded a bunch of different studios in Nashville and, um, frozen concert hall, like always, right? 350 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:04,000 And it depends on what you want. So, but this was Beard Studios and Larry, who's now retired, Larry Beard. 351 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000 I think he has like six Grammys as an acoustic guitar player. 352 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Well, yeah. 353 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,000 Spectacular, spectacular session master. 354 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:20,000 He, he almost like chewed me out for not stopping them because the tempo was wrong. 355 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Like my very first tracking, my very first song, and I'm, we run the whole song. 356 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,000 And I say, I think the tempo must have to be a little faster. And he's like, okay, just next time, stop us. 357 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,000 And then we'll start over because time is money. And I'm like, I love this place. 358 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,000 Yeah. 359 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 They're so efficient, right? It's just all about like getting rid of them. 360 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Yeah. The level of musicianship that you get to deal with with, with true legitimate session players. 361 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:52,000 We're talking about guys and gals that do this for a living will blow you away. 362 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:59,000 And not it's one thing to go see a band live who is very well rehearsed. 363 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,000 That's a beautiful thing. 364 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 That's a whole other thing, but it's a beautiful. Yeah. 365 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 Whole other thing. 366 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Whole other thing. It's another thing to walk into a room with five people you have never met. 367 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:19,000 Give them a paper and say, you know, this is in G. It's like 84 BPM. 368 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Think of. 369 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000 The scratch me in my guitar. 370 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000 Yeah. 371 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,000 What's the, you know, and the old guy in the corner, what's the vibe? And you're like, 372 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 a Doddy West. 373 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000 Yeah. 374 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,000 Doddy West. 375 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:39,000 And if Doddy West was doing a lot of acid and hanging out with the Ramones and they'd go, 376 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,000 okay, I got it. 377 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Yeah. 378 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000 And they'd be like, cool. 379 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Yeah. 380 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,000 So I walk in with, you played We Can't Say To Mine in the beginning. 381 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000 I walk in with that one. I tell Tommy Harden who's Alabama's drummer. 382 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,000 I tell him. 383 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:03,000 I'm kind of looking for, you know, kind of like a Madonna field like Meet Sclery. 384 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,000 I said, okay. 385 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000 And this is country. 386 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000 I mean, come on. 387 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Yeah. 388 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000 So his response was probably like, all right. 389 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000 So if Omar Hakeem was playing country, it was not like this. 390 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,000 Exactly. 391 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000 So you know, two measures in here like exactly. 392 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,000 And seven and and and then like five minutes later, we're on to the next song and I'm like, 393 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000 play it like Lenny Cravitz would. 394 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000 He's like, all right. 395 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000 Okay. 396 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:33,000 I mean, these guys are, I mean, just to kind of show the session you can put together in Nashville 397 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,000 is one of my sessions was, and this is not unheard of. 398 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,720 These are actually more of my sessions than not. 399 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,720 I had carry on to what's keyboard player. 400 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,720 Reuben back in tires league guitar player. 401 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,720 Winona. 402 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Her bass player. 403 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,720 Dow. 404 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,720 Alabama's drummer. 405 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,720 Swear to him. 406 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,720 He's amazing. 407 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,720 And then we had. 408 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,720 Garth Brooks. 409 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720 His. 410 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,720 Pedal steel player. 411 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:08,720 And then Michael sprigs, who's from England and is one of the most prolific. 412 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,720 I think it's our players. 413 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,720 He's amazing. 414 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,720 He like. 415 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,720 He produced a whole bunch of. 416 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Trace African stuff. 417 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,720 And so like, that's like a rando session. 418 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,720 You know, you get the most amazing players in that show. 419 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,720 Yeah. 420 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,720 And I'm just, you know, Joe Schmo from. 421 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,720 From. 422 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,720 From here, right? 423 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,720 So. 424 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,720 From Seattle. 425 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,720 Yeah. 426 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,720 Well, and that's a totally different type of session. 427 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,720 What one of the things that I'm going to do is. 428 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720 Well, and that's a totally different type of session. 429 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:44,720 What one of the things I love about your tunes is as I discussed in the music review podcast 430 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,720 that came out today is just that the instrumentation and the feel and the fact that it's all live. 431 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,720 I love the fact that. 432 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,720 It's all live. 433 00:30:52,720 --> 00:31:01,720 Like I don't think I've heard a song of yours where maybe that like the drums in the bass and the keys were all. 434 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,720 Electronic for lack of a better term because a completely different type of session. 435 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Is that and a lot of pop. 436 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Writers go into this where it'll be the pop writer and the producer. 437 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,720 And. 438 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,720 And probably the only thing that's alive instrument are the guitars. 439 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720 Everything else is electronic and. 440 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:28,720 And as the writer and the producer are crafting the song, the producer is literally building it. 441 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:37,720 Literally building the drums and the keyboards and everything and that that is another completely different style of recording. 442 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,720 And yeah, I feel so. 443 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720 Yeah, not so wrong with that. 444 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,720 It's amazing. 445 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,720 Yeah. 446 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,720 Have you done any sessions like that or has everything been all live for you? 447 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,720 Yeah, no, I'm done a lot of. 448 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,720 Oh, no, we're really. 449 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,720 I'm really going to share like don't tell everyone, but. 450 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,720 Don't worry. 451 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,720 Nobody listens to this podcast. 452 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,720 As right. 453 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:06,720 I did a quite a few different like electronic music sessions back in Europe, back it back around 2000. 454 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,720 Yeah, yeah, EDM stuff. 455 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,720 That's what you call now. 456 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,720 Used to be called electronic. 457 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,720 None of it's none of its release or anything like that, but I still have some of those old recordings. 458 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,720 And that was all built, built, built, built, right? 459 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,720 So. 460 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,720 So yeah, I haven't tried that in many years, but I've, I've dabbled. 461 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,720 I think that you should have, let's see, and like nobody would ever know. 462 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720 So like, here's what I would suggest you do. 463 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Like come up with another get out, be wallet, go it with another code. 464 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Right. 465 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720 I can get you code. 466 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,720 Create a whole other persona, right? 467 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,720 Yeah. 468 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,720 Put that up on Wavelake or over on our site. 469 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,720 Like as a completely different thing and like nobody I'll ever know it's you, right? 470 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,720 That would be really fun. 471 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,720 Yeah, you know, just just just for shits and giggles just to see if it. 472 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,720 Yeah, I would have to, I mean, there might be some, some rights. 473 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,720 I think to go tracks and people now. 474 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,720 As permission, but other than that, I love that idea. 475 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,720 That would be really fun. 476 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,720 What was it song in English or in Danish? 477 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,720 What was it? 478 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,720 Oh, it was all sung in English. 479 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,720 Yeah. 480 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,720 Oh, okay. 481 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,720 Yeah, I've done some Danish songwriting for sure. 482 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,720 Yeah. 483 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,720 But Danish should, like German, it doesn't sing as well. 484 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,720 With all due respect to Denmark, one of my dear friends, a guy who I toured with. 485 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,720 I spent two years on the road with. 486 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,720 He's from Sweden. 487 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,720 He's like you, like his English is so good. 488 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,720 Like you would never, never, never, never, never, never know. 489 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,720 But he is full blood, biking, sweet. 490 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,720 Yeah. 491 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,720 And he always makes fun of the people from Denmark. 492 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,720 He's like, they always talk like they got porridge in their mouth. 493 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,720 Totally. 494 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,720 Damn, dude, that's harsh. 495 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,720 No, we're very harsh toward each other. 496 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,720 It's more of like a rivalry, I would imagine. 497 00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,720 100%. 498 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:09,720 It's that kind of situation where, you know, if I see a swede in, like, walking the streets of Copenhagen, my immediate, 499 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:10,720 this is all good fun. 500 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,720 But immediate comment is that he's probably drunk. 501 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:15,720 They come over here to drink or beer. 502 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:16,720 So that's like another thing, right? 503 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:20,720 And then, you know, we're all rivalry, but we meet somewhere else. 504 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:22,720 Like, I mean, a sweet over here. 505 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,720 I'm like, my brother. 506 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:25,720 Yeah. 507 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:30,720 But if you go over there, you see a, you see a Brit, you're like, ah, he's a soccer hooligan. 508 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:31,720 Right? 509 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:33,720 Well, it's more in Scandinavia. 510 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:37,720 We don't have that same affinity with the, the Brits. 511 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:41,720 I'm, I'm hope they remember, like, they forgot that we invaded them once upon a time. 512 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:43,720 So, you know, yeah. 513 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:44,720 Yeah. 514 00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:45,720 Yeah. 515 00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:46,720 I don't know. 516 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:51,720 Maybe they're, maybe they have, maybe they haven't gotten over the American, American speeding King George. 517 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:55,720 I mean, they make, they make series about it today, right? 518 00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:58,720 So I don't think they've quite forgotten yet. 519 00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:59,720 Yeah. 520 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,720 Well, all right. 521 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:02,720 Sorry. 522 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,720 Let's get back, let's get back to tracking a national strike. 523 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:05,720 We digress. 524 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:06,720 We got away from it. 525 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,720 This is what happens when friends talk. 526 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:09,720 All right. 527 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:14,720 So how often do you come out here to, to track and, and to record? 528 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:20,720 Well, I, uh, since 2016, actually, 15 is when I recorded, uh, catch me. 529 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:25,720 If you can, which you played that, it was so nice to play my song on the review. 530 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,720 Um, yeah, man. 531 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:32,720 Ever since then, I've been out to Nashville, Perra, at least twice a year. 532 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,720 And then the last, like, since COVID hit, all I really, I couldn't play live. 533 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,720 So all my time was just spent traveling back and forth. 534 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:44,720 And now I come about every other month, just, you know, sometimes, you know, 535 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,720 come three months in a row and then I'll skip December, you know. 536 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,720 So, yeah, I'm actually coming out in a few weeks here. 537 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,720 So, uh, right on. 538 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,720 I'm on the back. 539 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,720 You got a gig? 540 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:57,720 Well, you're out here? 541 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:58,720 Are you tracking? 542 00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,720 I don't. 543 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,720 I'm tracking. 544 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:05,720 Currently, uh, I have a, uh, publishing deal in Nashville now. 545 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,720 And so you didn't tell me that. 546 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:08,720 Yeah? 547 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,720 Look for you. 548 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,720 I told you, oh my gosh, how good friends are we? 549 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,720 What I didn't tell you that. 550 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:13,720 That's what, that's crazy. 551 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:14,720 Yeah. 552 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720 Nice kudos. 553 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,720 Thank you. 554 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720 Thank you. 555 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:18,720 It's, uh, yeah. 556 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:23,720 It's been on a song to song basis for a while, but, uh, we're, we're kind of looking at, um, collaborating even more. 557 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:29,720 And so basically what these days when I come to Nashville, it's just all about tracking, tracking, tracking. 558 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:35,720 And then she, uh, uh, she says she, because it's a woman owned, uh, small publishing company. 559 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:42,720 And she, uh, hands it to the song blogger to go around in Nashville and push the songs to other people. 560 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:48,720 So, yeah, I actually have, uh, the song Memphis anymore, which I think you're going to play at the end here. 561 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,720 Yeah, wrap it up with that. 562 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,720 Yeah. 563 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:52,720 Yeah. 564 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,720 That one is actually being, it's been recorded for all I heard is it's coming out in March. 565 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,720 So soon under, with a, uh, a blue grass group. 566 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:08,720 So, uh, yeah, once that's out, I'll let you know, it's, uh, that'll be my first official cut. 567 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:09,720 Yeah. 568 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:10,720 Good for you. 569 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,720 Uh, uh, uh, that is so awesome. 570 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:14,720 I'm so excited for you. 571 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,720 I know you've been kicking for that for years. 572 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:18,720 Yeah. 573 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:19,720 I have. 574 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:20,720 All right. 575 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:27,720 So let's, let's back up and, and let's bring to the, to the regular people to tell everybody what a publishing deal is and why it's important for, uh, 576 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:29,720 writers and artists like you. 577 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:30,720 Yeah. 578 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:40,720 So, um, a publishing deal in Nashville, because they're, I think they're very, probably very different depending on where you're located, right? 579 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:41,720 Yeah. 580 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,720 So, it's a very specific Nashville. 581 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:52,720 Um, basically, uh, so as a songwriter, we have our royalties like we own the song. 582 00:37:52,720 --> 00:38:02,720 And half of those royalties are for writing and the other half is for publishing. And so a lot of times someone with a bigger role like, like, Roller Decks, that's an old thing. 583 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:03,720 What do you call it now? 584 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:07,720 Um, contact list, email address. 585 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:20,720 Email list, contact list, whatever, you know, um, comes in and says, uh, well, I'd like to shop your song around and see if someone wants someone, you know, bigger than you hire up the food chain wants to pick it up and, and, and, 586 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,720 a lot of stars have been born like that. 587 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:34,720 Like, like, yeah, you know, a brand of Clark, uh, actually, um, actually, Brad started out as song, or songwriters and had some really good, uh, cuts as we call them. 588 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:48,720 And then if you're, so you can either be song to song basis, um, sometimes you get hired as a staff writer, which is, so like a lot of the bigger companies will have you as a staff writer, you get a, 589 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:56,720 you basically get, um, what do you call retainer or something like, wait, you get a stipend for writing songs. So it's basically your job. 590 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:57,720 Yeah. 591 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:06,720 And then some instances you have to pay some of that back once the song sells in other instances, you keep it, but then the song belongs to the other people. 592 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,720 And that's, you know, so there's lots of different types of deals. 593 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:16,720 Mine is amazing because I don't have to recoup, so which I don't have to pay any of the, of back of what I've, 594 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:24,720 um, what, what money, uh, my publishing company has put into recording all these things. 595 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:36,720 And, uh, I usually get to keep some of my publishing myself. So a lot of times you allocate half of your song to someone who wants to shop it around. 596 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,720 Um, that's good. 597 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,720 I'm not going to make this more complicated. 598 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:54,720 So you're good. So just so people know, like you allocate part of the mat now is at the master recording side because you're not giving any up of the writing side, but you're, you, it's the writing side, but it's, it's what you, but it's what you call the publishing royalties. 599 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,720 Right. 600 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:56,720 Okay. 601 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:03,720 Which is, which is, you know, that's what they're therefore. It's for whoever is actually out there selling the song, which is often also the artist, right? 602 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:04,720 Yeah. 603 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:12,720 There's a lot of talk. I mean, this is a, probably another podcast, right? A lot of talk about whether or not to give up your publishing rights. 604 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:28,720 Um, I think of it as allocating and as long as this, whomever I'm giving those, the, I'm allocating those rights to, as long as they're out there doing more for my music than I can myself. 605 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,720 Then that's fine. I still always get to keep my writing credits always never, never give those away. Right. 606 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,720 Yeah. And the residuals that come from those writing credits. 607 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:49,720 Yeah. Exactly. Plus, um, you know, who owns the master? That's more about when it gets recorded in, in, in the case of someone picking up a song and saying, hey, I want to record your song and I want to make it a hit. 608 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,720 They actually on the master. 609 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:52,720 So, right. Right. 610 00:40:52,720 --> 00:41:02,720 Right. Nothing to do with that. Yeah. We could spend hours on this, but let's, let's just go back to the beginning of what a publishing deal is because I think a lot of people. 611 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:15,720 Either they know where they don't know, but the idea of a publishing deal in, in Nashville for a lot of people is kind of synonymous with what Carol King did or many, in many respects, Barry Manolo did as well. 612 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:26,720 It's like, you know, company X, let's say McDonald's hires you as a writer and your job and they're going to give you $50,000, $60,000 a year. 613 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,720 That's, you know, you can tell me if, if I'm wrong on that. 614 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:44,720 But your job is to go down to McDonald's office in music row. And, you know, four or five days a week, you are writing songs back to back. And there is, you know, you're in this little, you know, small little. 615 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:54,720 Room in those houses on music row. And okay, it's one o'clock. Just who's this Jessica Lynn Whitty? She's coming in to write with me. All right. 616 00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:02,720 I'm going to write for three hours and then I'm going to take a 20 minute break and then whose amber sweetie. Okay. I'm writing with Amber. 617 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:14,720 And that's your job. That's what they take. Yep. And we are either the people sitting there receiving or the ones going all around Nashville to the different McDonald's is, right? 618 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:25,720 So it's, it's, it's one of the bit, the best opportunities for a songwriter to do something more than just write songs and no one hears. 619 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:37,720 That's the way I put it. That's what a publishing deal is. So, and especially if you're no more, if you never have any aspirations to be an actual artist, then 100% this is the best way. 620 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,720 Absolutely. One person that comes to mind. 621 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:53,720 And what I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear is that there are some people who are writers who are hit writers who are millionaires as writers and they are absolutely tone deaf. 622 00:42:53,720 --> 00:43:05,720 Or they, they cannot play an instrument and you're probably like, you got to be kidding me. And, and Amy Mayo is a perfect example of that. 623 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:13,720 Amy Mayo is one of the top writers in Nashville in the last 25 years. Like, that song from Lone Star that's played at every wedding. 624 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:15,720 Yeah. 625 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:28,720 I didn't know that one that you know, that's an Amy Mayo song. The Kenny Chesney song, where I'm a pain like a winner coat, that's an Amy Mayo song. 626 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:35,720 And I saw Amy Mayo at city winery a couple years ago with on the girls in Nashville thing and she, she gets up on stage. 627 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:44,720 This is one of the most amazing things about Nashville. Amy Mayo gets up on stage and she starts talking and you're like, how in the world did this person get up here at city winery and get on stage? 628 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:50,720 Because she's like all over the map and cracking jokes and you, and then you come to realize like, that's her personality. 629 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:59,720 She's absolutely lovely and her husband is sitting there playing the songs with her and she will tell you, I am tone deaf and I can't sing and I can't play an instrument. 630 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:05,720 But as a lyrical writer and as a story person, she is absolutely stinking brilliant. 631 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:12,720 And that's, that's one of the things you run into in Nashville that people don't, that people have no idea about. 632 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:23,720 Yeah. And one of the things that a publishing deal to, can do for a writer too is get you in to write with bigger and bigger writers. 633 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:28,720 So I, you know, of course I have my little bucket list of who I want to co write with. 634 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,720 And it's another very Nashville thing to co write, right? 635 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:41,720 We all have our, like, the songwriters that inspired us, whether we know it or not, right? 636 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:53,720 And, and the, the more, if I can get a good placement, then I can, there's a chance that this other person's door will open, right? 637 00:44:53,720 --> 00:45:02,720 And so like, like, if someone, if someone high up the food chain, let's say Kenny Chasney, just for the heck of it, let's say he cut one of my songs. 638 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,720 Imagine the doors that would open in Nashville for me for co writing. 639 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,720 Oh, forget it. It's over. 640 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,720 Yeah. I would have a pick of the litter, right? Yeah. 641 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:25,720 I mean, I'm out there. I'm hanging out with, with at the publishing house, the, you know, the offices and we're, we're talking and, and, and, dawn, Gatlin, who I wrote quite a few songs with. 642 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:33,720 He's currently fronting the Kenny Rogers band as their on tour without Kenny Rogers, but he's the one fronting. 643 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:43,720 And he's, I mean, he knows everyone in Nashville. He has, he's everyone's phone number. It's really so funny. He's like the connector guy. 644 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:52,720 But also a great songwriter. We've written quite a few songs together. He brings in Marty Morgan, who's, Laura Morgan's business partner and brother. 645 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:53,720 Yeah. 646 00:45:53,720 --> 00:46:03,720 And I hit it off. And now we've written quite a few songs together. And I'm actually have another session with him. And we just, we just adore each other. We're just like, yes, this is great. This is perfect. 647 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,720 But, you know, I'm sitting there. I'm going, this is a little Morgan's brother. It's kind of cool. 648 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:08,720 Yeah. 649 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:14,720 You know, it's just a little by little, you kind of get some of those connections, right? 650 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,720 And, uh, yeah. 651 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:26,720 Well, what do you think it to, I mean, you, you're one of the rare ones who is making it work and you're making it work while not living in Nashville. I mean, man. 652 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:34,720 Like, what, what, what, what advice do you have to give to anybody who wants to become? 653 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:40,720 What did you guys just have to work over the, was that an earthquake in Tacoma? 654 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:48,720 No, my first piece of advice would be not, not go over the, the tripod. So there you go. That's what happened people. 655 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:49,720 Yeah. 656 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:54,720 You can have it. I mean, you're, you're, I mean, look, you got a hell of a voice. I've seen you perform live. 657 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:55,720 Thank you. 658 00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:04,720 You know, I mean, you can obviously pull it off live, but you're, but you're making it work as a writer. What, what advice do you have to somebody who's like, how the hell do I do what you're doing? 659 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:13,720 Okay, wow. Um, we talking advice. Well, first of all, my best, my best piece of advice that I was ever given I will pass on. 660 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:20,720 Do what you love. Just whatever makes your heart sing because if it's, if you, if it's not fun, why else do it? 661 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:26,720 There's, there's no reason to be suffering through something as hard as the music industry. 662 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:38,720 If you don't absolutely wholeheartedly couldn't do anything else, love it. And that would be like my first thing. Do what you love. And if that's performing go perform if that's writing go right. 663 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:50,720 Just start and whether or not you need to live in Nashville. I mean, I definitely, I don't, I don't visit once without three, four people saying, you need to move here. 664 00:47:50,720 --> 00:48:03,720 So there's obviously still that tug of war going on, but it's, but it's, it's one of it's, you know, if you don't have anything holding you back, I would say definitely move there. 665 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:10,720 Because once you're in the mid the thick of it, there's just so many more things you can just jump out and do, right? 666 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:24,720 Don't don't go there expecting to make any money right off the bat. That's the other thing because I very quickly was able to start like creating an actual income for myself as an artist in the Northwest as a strong regional artist. 667 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:35,720 But there's no way I could have done that in Nashville in the time I did here. And then then it was like well, no, do I give up my income and go, you know, get another job and then moved to Nashville. 668 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:49,720 Like that was kind of my weird in between at one point. So like I'd say if you have a chance and you have the opportunity and it's like I was in that in between of should I move or should I not that's a move. 669 00:48:49,720 --> 00:49:00,720 Don't go for it. Do it. Jump in all in because you never want that moment where you go. I wonder if it's a con better if I had, you know, you don't want to, you don't want to regret. 670 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:12,720 Yeah, but if you have a like for us, my husband has a great job and it partially pays for a bunch of stuff that I can do. 671 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:24,720 Well, I'm not going to give that up. So if that's your situation, then go with that. Go as often as you can go make friends, go make contacts, go out in the town, not Broadway. 672 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:35,720 But it's like it's depends on your situation, right? Because if you're if you can't do it, go all in all you can't. 673 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,720 Yeah, then do as much as you can, right? 674 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:45,720 Yeah, and I would say with respect to Broadway Broadway is I mean, it's fun, but it's a tourist thing. It's not really Nashville. 675 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:57,720 Yeah, if you want to hear really good music, well, there are great musicians there. That's some not like in that. If you want to hear good music and original music, then you want to get out a little bit and find some of the good places. 676 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:03,720 So, yeah, I can't remember the way we will talk about your husband here in just a second. 677 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:14,720 But I can't remember the name of it. In my opinion, the best place to hang on bringing up the map, the best place to hear like real country music, real country music. 678 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:28,720 If you are coming to Nashville, go over by the opera, right, which is the Northwest side of the town and north of the opera. 679 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,720 What's the name of that? Northeast. 680 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,720 Yeah, North, what's the name of the club? I saw you in Chris. 681 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:43,720 The scoreboard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, next to that, right? Or kitty corner? Yeah, kitty corner to the scoreboard. And I'm trying to bring it up. 682 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:44,720 Alice. 683 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:53,720 It's the palace, isn't it? Yeah, it might be that was the first thing I came to mind if you want to hear real and good country music. 684 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,720 Music, bar and grill. Music City bar and grill. 685 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,720 Yeah, is that also called the palace? No, that's no, that's a separate one. 686 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,720 Oh, okay. 687 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:07,720 The Nashville palace is next door to the Duke's a hazard, Cooters Museum. Oh, dear God. 688 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:16,720 But scoreboard, if you walk out the back door, a scoreboard and go north, music City bar and grill, I think has the best country music. 689 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,720 Now, there's also now downtown in the Gulch. 690 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:21,720 The station is a good one too. 691 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:31,720 Yes, that's true. That's true. And if you want to see those like songwriters around that Nashville is so famous for, the listening room is a great place to go. 692 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,720 The living room is fantastic for that. Yeah. 693 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:38,720 The local, the local is great. Yes. 694 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:43,720 And the local is actually opening up a spot up here in Henrik. Yeah. 695 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:54,720 It's a very fun, which is really needed because there was a A because I mean, there's just not a lot of live music up on this side of town, which is a, no, there's not. 696 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,720 And shame. 697 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:03,720 Jolly Ollie's is off of Main Street and and blister hearts. They got hit by the tornado and they got trash. 698 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,720 Of course, Main Street. Yes. Of course. Wow. 699 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:14,720 And they, and this is going to be like their third rebuild because a couple of years ago, they had a fire and they got trashed in the fire. 700 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,720 So I think this is, this is version three. But anyways, back to Broadway. 701 00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:28,720 And to prove that Broadway is not really Nashville. Guess who is opening up a bar on Broadway? 702 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:34,720 Take a walk. Yes. Your favorite New Jersey, hair, a metal bro. 703 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:39,720 John Bon Jovi. Of course. Yeah. Why? Of course. Yeah. Why not? 704 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:44,720 But anyways, let's talk about handsome piano players. Yes. 705 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:55,720 You mentioned your husband, who also has a massive amount of tunes over on Wavelengthy, one and only Raymond Hayden. 706 00:52:55,720 --> 00:53:02,720 Yes. He does. Great piano player. He uploaded quite a bit. Yeah. He's awesome. 707 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:12,720 Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. We've, well, we've created some music together for sure. We've both been in each other's bands ever since we were at. 708 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:23,720 It wasn't, we collaborating didn't come easy. It's kind of like too many chefs in the kitchen. I think, you know, it's like food analogy for creating music. 709 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,720 But we've certainly found a way because we created a lot of stuff together. 710 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:35,720 So because I met Ray, I was in the Texaco country showdown back in 2013. 711 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:40,720 That's something that teaming show from the fifties from the fifties. I know totally. 712 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,720 I'm the Puyallup State Fair. It's the Texaco country showdown. Country showdown. 713 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:50,720 That's exactly, I mean, and these were held at different fairs, not the Puyallup, but close enough. 714 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:59,720 And I made it to the regionals. So one more step would have been Nashville, but anyway, I met him because he was a judge. 715 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:05,720 And I was one of the contestants. Oh, stop it. I know. 716 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,720 And I want. 717 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:14,720 Hey, by the way, if you win, you win a date with one of the judges. 718 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,720 You win a 10 year marriage. 719 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:23,720 I like it. By the way, the judges and musician. Oh, great. 720 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:29,720 Oh crap. Yeah. So that was fun. You know, it's always a fun story to tell people how we met. 721 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:34,720 We didn't actually start dating right away. It took a little bit, but, um, yeah. 722 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,720 So 10 years later, here we are. Actually, 723 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:45,720 Tell him I tell him I said, Hi, he's adorable. He's such a great guy. 724 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:57,720 I love it. I love getting a chance to talk to him. Um, so tell it to let's talk about your experience so far in the whole, you know, Bitcoin and wave lake and value for value world. 725 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:04,720 Like what? You know, I'm looking at your wave lake page right now. You know, you're getting some good interaction. 726 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:09,720 What what you what you take, what you're an initial impression in this whole thing. 727 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:32,720 Um, you know, I love the idea that there is there are alternative venues or alternative places to get traction on music to get your music, listen to and to where your music is promoted directly within this sort of community almost, right. 728 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:41,720 And I was a little confusing at first. I will say that there's definitely some user friendliness that I think you'd build into it, but it's also fairly new. 729 00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:54,720 So, you know, it reminds me of the days where I was when I was doing all this electronic music. I was also, uh, like kind of on some of the back ends of the internet before the dark web existed. 730 00:55:54,720 --> 00:56:11,720 Right. You know, and they're doing like, um, it was the kind of like the underground, right. And that's, that's what this feels like except it's the future. Right. So it's, it seems it's, it's a, it's a fun way to be able to connect with people also all over the world. 731 00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:28,720 Like because it there's just no, we're always stuck by a currency and, and, and with that comes the boundaries of whatever country we're in and there's always issues that way, but, but this opens up a whole, a whole world to us. 732 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:41,720 Well, and you, when you and I first talked about this, like, you were one of the initial ones that I've spoken with that automatically, you were like, oh, yeah, hell yeah, I mean, because you, you have experienced with like, yeah, you've been a Bitcoin holder for a while. 733 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:44,720 Like, look, long before you posted your music in this space. 734 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:53,720 Yeah, that was a, unfortunately, another, like, that was a fiasco because I forgot my 13 phrase password or whatever. Yeah. 735 00:56:53,720 --> 00:57:07,720 12 word. Yeah. Well, I can't remember that. See, yeah, don't just a part of ADHD and it's not good for me to just like jump in and sign up for things and not write stuff down and not read the fine print. 736 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:22,720 So I learned, but, but yeah, I have, I have the minute Bitcoin cryptocurrency in general just became a thing. I've been fascinated and, and the fact that it can be a positive influence on music is even better. 737 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:29,720 Yeah. So I'm just excited to see where it, where it takes us because it's still and it's infancy, right? 738 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:38,720 It's so early. And that's one of the, that's one of the things that my wife and I talk a lot about because my wife and I actually met at a dot com. 739 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:49,720 We were working at a dot com in Santa Monica in the late 90s and she and I kind of talk about this a lot about how the yet, yes, the technology in some respects is still glitchy. 740 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:57,720 Like I mean, some of these telegram groups that for the apps and they're and everybody's reporting their issues and helping the developer. 741 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:06,720 And as you know, with noster, it's the same way, but the community of people is so open and they are so willing to help and answer questions. 742 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,720 And I think a lot of that. Yeah. What the fact that it is so early. Yeah. 743 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,720 Does it remind you of the dot com days though? It absolutely. I'm sorry. That's why I was going. 744 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:25,720 It absolutely dark. And that's why just thinking that. Yeah. And that's why we like none of this scares us because we log into a site and it's kind of like, oh, this is kind of like net scape in the 90s. 745 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:33,720 Like, yeah, like it's kind of working. You know, you know, like we, we have been through this before. 746 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:48,720 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But people our age, like we have been through this technology before. Yeah. And what and what I'm finding is people who are late teens early 20s. 747 00:58:48,720 --> 00:59:01,720 They are all about it because of the cryptocurrency aspect of it. Like they see a different side of the economy that we've never seen that we necessarily haven't experienced. 748 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:07,720 Yeah. Coming up in such a debt-ridden society, they grab onto it differently. 749 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:27,720 Where I'm getting a lot of pushback is people that are like in their 30s, musicians who are in their 30s who maybe have a, who have a different experience with social media and different experience with music and expect this to be absolutely flawless. 750 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:44,720 And making you tens of thousands of dollars already, they don't get the early adapter thing of it. That's just a weird little, like I had another conversation today with somebody who was like, well, I'll be interested when the audience is there. 751 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:54,720 I'm like, dude, the audience is already here and it's growing and he kept on saying, well, I'll be interested when the audience is there. I'm like, okay, you're not listening to the, to what's going on. And you're not understanding. 752 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,720 You know, how many people in Bitcoin that are coming over to this every day? 753 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:08,720 Yeah. Well, I think also it also has to do with how technology doesn't scare me. 754 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,720 Yeah. 755 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,720 I walk, I'm the kind of person that walks into to a room and the computer start working. 756 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,720 I don't touch them. I'm just like, my, just my presence has that effect on computers. 757 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:27,720 Oh, you know, and it's, it's, I mean, there's so many times I've tried this. Where's like, it's stuck. I can't get into walk over. I look at it and it goes, oh, it's working again. 758 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:28,720 Okay. 759 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:35,720 So, and then like a fabulous husband, not how does not have the patience for that kind of stuff. 760 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:41,720 And he's definitely one of the ones who kind of goes, you go ahead and I'll see what happens and I may jump on. 761 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:53,720 But because he doesn't have the, that technology kind of scares him. New technology scares him and the, the, the complication, like how complicated it can be. 762 01:00:53,720 --> 01:01:06,720 And, and, but I, but I see myself in having, having been deep in technology around the dot com, having lots and lots of, like all my, I was to, 763 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:16,720 who's all said all my degrees. I have one, all my, all my schooling and all my experience. Everything has to do with computers all the time. 764 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:23,720 And so I have, there's just not a lot in technology that scares me. And so that's why I find it fascinating, right? 765 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:24,720 Yeah. 766 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,720 That cracks me up about Ray that he's a little bit of a luttite in that regard. 767 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:41,720 And here's why, because I've, I've seen that dude play with his one of his many bands around the Tacoma and Seattle area. And the dude comes out on stage with a full on Rick Wakeman setup. 768 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:50,720 The dude walks up there with like four keyboards and you're telling me sometimes, yeah, and you're telling me he's a bit of a tech luttite. Are you serious? That is. 769 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:51,720 Yep. 770 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:59,720 Yeah, it's a good thing. It's a good thing. He's such a sweetheart and knows it. Yeah. I mean, he's handsome. He's pretty. He doesn't have to be smart dog. 771 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,720 Oh, that's horrible. Don't listen to this. Right. I love you. 772 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:11,720 But that's how, and that's probably also what you're seeing in these in the different people that you're talking to, right? Is that they don't. 773 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,720 Yeah. 774 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:24,720 And then, like you said, expecting it's just be there and be done and be ready. And those people were there in the dot coms, too. They were looking at all the crazy silicon valley people going, it's probably you. 775 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,720 Right. This is like what is that with you? But what the world grew from there. 776 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,720 Yeah. 777 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:37,720 And, and not everybody can be early adapters. Otherwise, there wouldn't be early adapters. So, yeah. 778 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:43,720 I consider myself an early adapter in any case, but, you know, maybe an early follower of that. 779 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:54,720 No, I'd say you are. I mean, it's cool for me. It's like we were saying earlier, or maybe we said this in the green room, but it's cool for me to hear your stuff on boost grandball and some of these other shows or. 780 01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:06,720 And obviously as a podcaster and everything like I'm, I see more of the backing conversations, but for people that that I've met in the last six months to be streaming your music and talking your music. 781 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,720 Like it's just so cool. 782 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,720 It is cool. 783 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,720 And I think those are people that I would never have connected with otherwise. 784 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:23,720 Yeah, there's a whole new audience here and the other and and the connection that you can have by going into your wave lake account and responding to people are going on to noster and responding to people. 785 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:28,720 You don't responding to people who have tipped you directly value for value. 786 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:36,720 Yeah, that is that is so much more important and has so much more context and texture than a stupid like or a heart on Instagram. 787 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:37,720 Right. 788 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,720 I had another meeting talking to somebody about it today. 789 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:52,720 And, you know, and this individual kept on talking about the importance of tick tock and the importance of Instagram if you're a musician. 790 01:03:52,720 --> 01:04:05,720 And it's like, okay, I understand like that's the current model, but do you understand that that that model doesn't work unless you have tens of thousands of dollars of promotion behind you? 791 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:16,720 Like people don't realize how much money games the system in terms of content over over over quality. 792 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,720 Yeah, because you're you're you're making noise with everybody else. 793 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:27,720 Yeah, right? You're you're you have to you're making all the noise where all the noise already exists. 794 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:36,720 It's like the person who would say once the audience gets there that person I assume is talking about their current audience. 795 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:44,720 So whenever their current audience is going to use this platform, then then he'll go over there, but my point exactly. 796 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,720 I know where my current audience is. 797 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:47,720 I want to go find new people. 798 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,720 Yeah, right? 799 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:49,720 Yeah. 800 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,720 Right? Yeah. 801 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,720 Yeah. And going into a completely new area gives me complete new people. 802 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:56,720 Yeah. 803 01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,720 A little overlap maybe who knows? 804 01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:59,720 Yeah. 805 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:08,720 And we're not telling and I'm not telling people and I think I told you this when I when I told you and Ray about wave like and like you got to get in on this. 806 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:18,720 Like I'm not telling anybody, hey completely leave Spotify and and you know, like. 807 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,720 They are necessary evils in this regard. 808 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:22,720 Yeah. 809 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,720 Right. 810 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,720 Just add this to your mix. Add this to your your business plan as it were. 811 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:40,720 And if you get in there and really push it and engage with people, you're going to see a far better return than you would off of the Spotify world. 812 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:46,720 Yeah. 813 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:52,720 I look at those things again, like Spotify, Apple Music, all of the Instagram and the Facebook and those are always to connect with people who already know who you are. 814 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,720 And yeah, there are ways of expanding in there too. 815 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,720 But it doesn't. 816 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720 There's no easy way of expanding, right? 817 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,720 And so easy, simple, whatever. 818 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:12,720 It's a lot of money to expand in a place like that. And being able to have more outlet like you say add this to your mix. 819 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:19,720 It gives you that platform to expand it and to expand the people that would otherwise not find you. 820 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,720 I feel like Twitch kind of did that too, at least for some people. 821 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:38,720 It had it had that like it had the the worldwide thing and it was definitely a place where people would go and hang out in a way that they never would on Spotify or there was that community aspect with it too. 822 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:47,720 So it's like it's just it's another place to go find your people instead of trying to drum them up where everybody else is, right? 823 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:53,720 Yeah, do you think Twitch has kind of it's it's interesting. I haven't heard as much about Twitch recently in the last year or two. 824 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:58,720 Do you think Twitch is kind of died down with with COVID being quote unquote over? 825 01:06:58,720 --> 01:06:59,720 Or what do you think? 826 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,720 Quote unquote watch your words. 827 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,720 We all again. 828 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,720 I said no politics are religion. 829 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:15,720 I think I think absolutely Twitch had an up and come and when when COVID hit because everybody wanted to stream and that's all we would ever do. 830 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,720 And it was this new and fascinating thing. 831 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:30,720 So yeah, I don't know. I've never I was never an average Twitch user myself and that's really you need to be really do need to be that but switch was already huge with the gamers and I don't think that's changed anything. 832 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,720 So maybe just for music it it it it changed. 833 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,720 So but so did the amount of streams of live streams we saw, right? 834 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,720 I don't I don't really live stream anymore. 835 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:54,720 So well, I think what what is going to be really cool is is the implementation of more live streams in RSS and Noster. 836 01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:01,720 That that are lightning enabled where you know you can you know where where you're going to be able to send. 837 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:11,720 That's straight in to the artist, you know, I mean, you know, you could you could easily put up a live show. 838 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:24,720 You know, go over to Spanish ballroom or or even there at the house, you know any any kind of just connection you could plug in and use that as a platform that would have that extra element of Twitch. 839 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:38,720 Yeah, the direct monetization direct which is so important. All right, we're going to wrap it up here. But before I forget I wanted to because we've been talking for an hour here. 840 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:44,720 I want I wanted to say I saw today Hunter Hayes. If you've ever heard of Hunter Hayes. 841 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:45,720 Yeah. 842 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,720 He is playing he's doing a solo show at Spanish ballroom coming up. 843 01:08:50,720 --> 01:09:02,720 Really? Okay, I got to check that out. Yeah. In Ray, got to go check it out. I saw him at Brooklyn Bowl a couple months ago with his full band, but he's out doing a solo show. 844 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:10,720 Yeah, I was going to say that's a little small for him. I mean, you can have seven hundred standing, but that's that's small for Hunter Hayes. 845 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:11,720 Yeah, I would say. 846 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,720 That's cool though. 847 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,720 If you can go see it, that's such a great. 848 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:15,720 Yeah, I'll go check it out. 849 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,720 Yeah, that's such a great venue. 850 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:22,720 So what do you got? What do you got coming up? You got new singles coming up? You got gigs out here. 851 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:29,720 You're going back down to the strawberry festival in Florida for three months and planning down there. What are you doing? 852 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,720 Yeah, that was a little nod to what we did in 2022. 853 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,720 The redneck files, Chris and I. 854 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:43,720 So Chris Jones and I, we have a duo and we call it the redneck files, but really we put music out under our own names. 855 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:49,720 So we're going to actually put out that EP that we've been threatening with this year. 856 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:54,720 So we're kind of putting the last stuff to that together. I don't know. No dates on that yet. 857 01:09:54,720 --> 01:10:03,720 And we have a couple of private events, but that's it. Like that's all I'm doing live show wise. I'm spending most of my time just writing and dragging, writing and dragging. 858 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:11,720 And then of course, I have a ton of music that is pushing on my brain to want to come out in the world. 859 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:16,720 And starting out with March 1st, I have a song coming out called No Regrets. 860 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:22,720 I wrote it with Kristen Kay. She's from Kentucky. I don't know if you've ever heard about her, but she's fabulous. 861 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:29,720 Really great. So artists and really great songwriter. We wrote one of my favorite songs that I've written so far. 862 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:40,720 So I can't wait to put that out. And then of course with the redneck file stuff, we also have a collaboration between myself, my husband Raymond Hayden and an artist from California. 863 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:54,720 His name is Benjy Fonig. And we're putting out. Yeah, well, music mafia radio. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's he's an avid avid chat person in on music mafia radio as am I. 864 01:10:54,720 --> 01:11:01,720 And that's how we met was through. So this is called music mafia radio dot net. 865 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:16,720 I mean, they are fantastic for independent musicians all quality of the music so high. So so we we actually when we were on tour, Tristan, I and we were doing that major tour. 866 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:27,720 Here we were talking about with the Florida strawberry festival. We stopped by in California, Riverside, California, and visited Benjy Fonig. And and we put out dance gravy last year. Yeah. 867 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:34,720 And so this is one of this is another one of those collaborative, collaborative efforts through that music mafia radio. 868 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:41,720 Community so does that's kind of the things that are in the works right now, but I have a lot more music that I want to put out. 869 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:50,720 So we'll see how and when but keep an eye on with like, because that's that's where it'll be up. So well, and can you can you remind me or put me in touch? 870 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:59,720 Maybe send an email to Benji because I want to talk to him about getting there like because they should be doing a lightning enabled show. 871 01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,720 And into this RSS world because they're already podcasting. 872 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,720 Yes, they are. 873 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:13,720 So Benjy Fonig is an artist that I know through music mafia radio, but I can put you in touch with music mafia radio people, which is cause and fit in. 874 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:25,720 They're out in North Carolina and we've visited them as well. So yeah, they're they're not as far away either. And and cause has had he retired. 875 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:34,720 And for what I know, this is his baby, this is his passion is to do the music mafia radio. So I'm sure you would be interested in hearing about that. Yeah. 876 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,720 Yeah, love to talk to him about absolutely. 877 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:48,720 All right, well, we are going to we're going to exit the show with Memphis anymore, which you might have a hold on or a cut with. 878 01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,720 Right? You might we might we might be hearing. 879 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,720 A new press version. Yes. 880 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,720 Not by me. 881 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,720 Yeah, that's going to be really exciting. 882 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:08,720 But we'll we'll take it out. We'll take the show out with Memphis anymore. And this has been a lot of fun. Jessica, thank you so much. 883 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:21,720 Come on on. Stick around. We'll talk a little a little bit offline. Cool. Sounds good. And thanks so much for having me. I love what you're doing. I love that you're doing these podcasts and more power to you, James. 884 01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,720 Slayer. Love it. 885 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:30,720 Slayer. 886 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,720 [Music] 887 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:41,720 [Music] 888 01:13:41,720 --> 01:14:01,720 [Music] 889 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:11,720 [Music] 890 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:21,720 [Music] 891 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:30,720 [Music] 892 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:40,720 [Music] 893 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:45,720 [Music] 894 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:55,720 [Music] 895 01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:05,720 [Music] 896 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:15,720 [Music] 897 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:25,720 [Music] 898 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:35,720 [Music] 899 01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:44,720 [Music] 900 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:54,720 [Music] 901 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,720 [Music] 902 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:08,720 [Music] 903 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:18,720 [Music] 904 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:28,720 [Music] 905 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:38,720 [Music] 906 01:16:38,720 --> 01:17:06,720 [Music] 907 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:12,720 [Music] 908 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:24,720 That is Memphis anymore by Jessica Lynn Whitty. And I cannot thank her enough for coming on the Phantom Power Artist Hour. 909 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:42,720 I love her writing, of course, but she's just such a great wealth of information for the industry. And I love a year in her talk about publishing and tracking and all the crazy stories that she's got. 910 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:54,720 She's a wonderful spirit and a hell of a work ethic too. So she's always a lot of fun. And I honestly, like, we hadn't talked, I don't know, maybe 18 months or so. 911 01:17:54,720 --> 01:18:02,720 I think it was just a bunch of text messages back and forth. So thrilled that she was able to come on the show today. 912 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:08,720 I hope you guys liked that. If you do send us some sats, right? We're splitting the show with Jessica. 913 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:24,720 That is the Phantom Power Artist Hour for the week. Tomorrow on the business hour, I am interviewing a really fascinating guy from Malaysia and his book about Bitcoin. 914 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:38,720 And then, of course, on Wednesday, we are going to have the Phantom Power Music Hour. Friday is going to be the Phantom Power Music Review. And next weekend, I will be in Phoenix for the Noster event. 915 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:46,720 That's going to be happening in Phoenix. So I'm looking forward to that. We're going to be doing some podcasting from there as well or value casting, I should say. 916 01:18:46,720 --> 01:19:00,720 So that will do it for me. Thank you guys so much for listening. And, you know, smile for the mug shot, right? Right. See you. 917 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:08,720 [Music] 918 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:17,720 [BLANK_AUDIO]