1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:15,320 - Hello everybody, welcome back to the Phantom Power. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,240 Artist Hour, it's Sunday. 4 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:21,400 That's the day we put out the Artist Hour, right? 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,880 This, and if you don't know what this is, 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,760 this is a listener-supported value cast. 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,640 There's no ads, there's no commercials, 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,680 there's no sponsors. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,680 And if you like it, if it brings value into your life, 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,280 I would ask that you give me some value in return, 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,040 be it with your time, your talent or your treasure. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,360 And I would hope that you would do the same, 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,520 not just for Amber Sweeney, who is on today's show, 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,120 but for all the other artists that we have 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,760 on all of our shows, be it the music hour, 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,040 the music review, or the random business hour. 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,760 That's what value for value is all about. 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,080 It's not just about the Bitcoin, 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,960 it's not just about the money, 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,240 it's also about your time and your talent. 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,080 And as always, welcome your feedback 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,080 and song suggestions and artist suggestions 23 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,440 and you can find me on Nostar, Telegram, Instagram, 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,360 mastodon, all that fun stuff. 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,800 So today, we have Amber Sweeney, 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,400 who has pretty much her entire catalog over on Wavelake, 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,640 and I would encourage you to dive into it. 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,640 It is fantastic. She is a real unique songwriter, 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:37,400 neo soul, blues, gospel, rootstruck, type of stuff 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,280 and a million dollar voice. 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,960 She's here in Nashville now 32 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:44,280 and we'll get into her background, 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,200 but we're gonna talk about all of the things 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,840 that she does to make a living now 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,840 and all of the challenges as well. 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,280 Great conversation. 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,040 And she was actually the first artist 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,000 that I've had in studio in house for an interview, 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,320 just about every other time or every other time I should say. 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,080 It's been done over, you know, Zoom, Google, whatever. 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,600 So I was thrilled to have her in studio. 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,960 Before we bring her on, 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,440 let's check out one of her tracks. 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:19,440 We are going to listen to Breathe by Amber Sweeney 45 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,840 and then we'll bring her on. 46 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,760 Everybody ready? 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:24,840 Here we go. 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,480 ♪ How do we stop ♪ 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,320 ♪ When other roads ♪ 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,040 ♪ Is really living the moment ♪ 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,680 ♪ When everything's moving so fast ♪ 52 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,600 ♪ We're looking at screens ♪ 53 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,480 ♪ And standing every child ♪ 54 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,520 ♪ I wonder where I was ♪ 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,520 ♪ So disconnected ♪ 56 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,200 ♪ But I love it when you ♪ 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,720 ♪ Simply hold my hand ♪ 58 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,200 ♪ And just breathe with me ♪ 59 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,720 ♪ I'm there ♪ 60 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,200 ♪ Slow down with me darling ♪ 61 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,120 ♪ Go easy when you're loving me ♪ 62 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,120 ♪ 'Cause every moment counts when we together ♪ 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,920 ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 64 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:22,000 ♪ How do we sail the sea of emotion ♪ 65 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,680 ♪ Whatever one is losing their mind ♪ 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,480 ♪ We turn on the TV, see what is strange ♪ 67 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,760 ♪ And telling ourselves that we're going fine ♪ 68 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,480 ♪ Are we really fine ♪ 69 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,880 ♪ I love it when you ♪ 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,680 ♪ Looked me in the eye ♪ 71 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,600 ♪ And just breathe with me only ♪ 72 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,120 ♪ Slow down with me darling ♪ 73 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,080 ♪ Go easy when you're loving me ♪ 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,440 ♪ I said I'm on the counts with us ♪ 75 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,160 ♪ Out of my way with you honey ♪ 76 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,640 ♪ Slow down with me darling ♪ 77 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,560 ♪ Go easy when you're loving me ♪ 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,560 ♪ 'Cause every moment counts when we together ♪ 79 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:17,240 ♪ When we together ♪ 80 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,240 ♪ Ah, ah, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,760 ♪ I love it when you ♪ 82 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,720 ♪ See me hold my hand ♪ 83 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,560 ♪ We can talk about the world ♪ 84 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,400 ♪ Take the walk around the world ♪ 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,960 ♪ Take it up ♪ 86 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,000 ♪ Whoa ♪ 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 ♪ We can lose ourselves ♪ 88 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,840 ♪ Look at both the journey ♪ 89 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,320 ♪ And the darkness eyes ♪ 90 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,840 ♪ We can finally space the day ♪ 91 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,320 ♪ I'll burst in stone ♪ 92 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,400 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 93 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,360 ♪ And just breathe with me only ♪ 94 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,880 ♪ Slow down with me darling ♪ 95 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,760 ♪ Go easy when you're loving me ♪ 96 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,400 ♪ 'Cause every moment counts ♪ 97 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,720 ♪ Every moment counts ♪ 98 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,920 ♪ Out of my way with you honey ♪ 99 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,440 ♪ Slow down with me darling ♪ 100 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,280 ♪ Go easy when you're loving me ♪ 101 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:19,920 ♪ 'Cause every moment counts ♪ 102 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,720 ♪ Every moment counts ♪ 103 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,720 ♪ Just breathe ♪ 104 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:33,000 ♪ Oh baby breathe ♪ 105 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,760 ♪ Yeah ♪ 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,600 ♪ Ooh ♪ 107 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,440 ♪ Ooh ♪ 108 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,440 ♪ Ooh ♪ 109 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,440 ♪ Ooh ♪ 110 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,440 ♪ Slow down with me ♪ 111 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,440 ♪ When we together ♪ 112 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,440 ♪ When we together ♪ 113 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:09,440 And that is Breathe by Amber Sweeney. 114 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,440 Today's guest in studio. 115 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:12,920 You are the for Amber. 116 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,680 Welcome, you're the first person I've had in studio. 117 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:16,520 - Thank you, really? 118 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,360 - Yeah. 119 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,200 - That's awesome. 120 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,440 - Well, everybody else is always 121 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,880 galloping around the world 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,560 or they're on the other side of the planet. 123 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,960 So it's nice to get a local. 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,440 (laughing) 125 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,400 - I know it's such a nice space too. 126 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,280 It's like, yeah, it's fun to be here. 127 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:31,760 - It's a little cozy. 128 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,600 It's a, and we're, and I didn't know, again, 129 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,120 like I didn't know how to do it in here, 130 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,400 like with Mike Placement and everything like that. 131 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,720 So it's kind of, like, 132 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,320 I hate to say it, but you're kind of like the guinea pig 133 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,120 for like how this is gonna work in the studio. 134 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,200 - You use music, guinea pig? 135 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,600 - Right, I'm thrilled to have you here. 136 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,760 I've reviewed your music, 137 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,200 and of course we've known each other just full disclosure. 138 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,280 We've known each other for a while, 139 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:59,320 and I've reviewed your music in the past, 140 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,840 all the way back on the second episode 141 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,040 of the Phantom Power music review. 142 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,200 We did, I did the song we just heard, Breathe. 143 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,440 - That's right, yes. 144 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,120 But let's start from the beginning, 145 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,280 like what's your musical background? 146 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,560 Like how did you get into this whole thing? 147 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,520 Like I don't care if it's all the way back in fourth grade 148 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,400 with the recorder or ukulele, like, how'd you start? 149 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,840 - I actually started playing the guitar 150 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,200 when I was six years old. 151 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,040 - Okay. 152 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,040 - And from what my parents tell me, 153 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,160 I would have started sooner, but my hands were too small. 154 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,880 Like my mom tells me that I was just like, 155 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,040 I came out of the womb, like, and music was my jam immediately. 156 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,880 - Yeah. 157 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,440 - Like, I think there's a picture of me somewhere 158 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,680 floating around where I'm like, you know, 159 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,520 the three-year-old and like a little diaper, 160 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,080 or not a diaper at that point, but like, you know, 161 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,960 a t-shirt underwear with like a tennis racket is my guitar, 162 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,320 and a plunger is my mic stand, like, sing it along, 163 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,760 and I've got like, cool later, something all over my face. 164 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,600 - Yeah. 165 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,520 - So, I mean, it's definitely been, 166 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,400 I think music was my first language. 167 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,400 And so, yes, I started from there with guitar, 168 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,400 and then, you know, I grew up in the Evangelical Church, 169 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,760 which no longer associated with that, but, I mean, 170 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,040 I learned a lot, I grew up in LA, so I mean, 171 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,360 I got mentored by some really incredible people 172 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,120 at these big ass churches. 173 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,120 - Nice. 174 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,480 - Like, one of them was the bass player for Captain and Tineel. 175 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,000 He was one of my early mentors. 176 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,360 I got to learn how to play bass and drums and piano, 177 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,680 and like, everybody was just, I think, also enamored 178 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:35,240 with the fact that I was so obsessed with music, 179 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,640 that they just kept giving me opportunity after opportunity. 180 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Like, I learned how to run lines for giant, 181 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,640 like, 48 channel sound boards when I was like 13 or 14. 182 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,400 - What, where in LA did you grow up? 183 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,920 - When I was little, we were in Long Beach, 184 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,880 and then, we moved to Ventura County when I was like nine, 185 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,520 and so, like, between more park and Seamy Valley. 186 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,360 - Okay. 187 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,200 - Yeah. 188 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,240 And then you moved here from Portland, right? 189 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,080 - Yes. 190 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:01,920 - Okay, so connect the dots. 191 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,520 So, how'd you go from LA up to Portland? 192 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,800 - So, I joined a rock band after high school 193 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,080 with a couple of actor guys, 194 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,880 and they were from the Southwest Washington area, 195 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,520 just outside of Portland, Oregon. 196 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,520 - Okay, thank you for your wish. 197 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,040 - And so, Vancouver, yeah. 198 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,800 So, I followed them, you know. 199 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,400 They wanted, they were getting married, 200 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,760 and they were starting to have families, 201 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,920 and it just kind of felt like time 202 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,760 to sort of get the hell out of dodge. 203 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,240 And so, I think it was 20 when I moved, 204 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,440 but, yeah, I moved up to the Northwest, 205 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,800 I fell in love with it. 206 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,760 I was in that band for another few years, 207 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,040 and then, they sort of kicked me out, ish. 208 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,240 And then I joined another duo, 209 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,600 with another gal that was a part of, you know, 210 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,320 our little friend group. 211 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,960 And then, she was also on TV, and then that ended, 212 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,720 and then, yeah, I mean, it's, 213 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,120 I've had a really weird, fun career, 214 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,200 but, you know, it's definitely taken, 215 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,680 I would say the first 10 years of me living in the Northwest 216 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:10,240 were at the service of, like, other people's interests, 217 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,920 as far as music went. 218 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,200 Like, I was part of the music for our church, 219 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,320 like I would lead Worsher for that, 220 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,880 and then, like, in these rock bands, 221 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,280 I was sort of, I was a side player, you know, 222 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,440 I was the bass player, and background singer, 223 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,520 and then when I was in the duo, like, 224 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,800 you know, we co-wrote all the songs, 225 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,560 but then I sort of got, like, really thrust into, 226 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:30,360 producing all those songs, 227 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,560 and because of the nature of what she did, 228 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,400 also, the songs ended up on television, 229 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,480 so, I mean, I had to learn how to do things 230 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,480 like totally sink or swim. 231 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,360 I had to learn how to produce on the fly, 232 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,000 I had to go back in, like, higher bands, 233 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,480 and figure out how to M.D., 234 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,520 in a different setting, other than, like, a church setting, 235 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,480 and then, make sure that music was ready 236 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,600 to be placed on television, 237 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,320 and all that kind of crazy stuff, so. 238 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,400 - Wow, okay. 239 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,040 - Yeah, but once that all ended, 240 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,720 I kind of, like, hit this spot where, 241 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,360 I think it was 2012, and I was like, 242 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,960 okay, am I gonna keep doing this music thing? 243 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,680 Because this is all I know, this is all I feelin' me. 244 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:08,160 And I hadn't had the opportunity to do it quite so full time. 245 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,320 And suddenly, I did, and so my best friend, Jessica, 246 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,240 was like, listen, if you really wanna do this, 247 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,080 I'll help you. 248 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:16,920 I'll help manage you. 249 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,200 I don't know anything about managing music, 250 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,440 but I'll help you. 251 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,040 And the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna get involved 252 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,560 in not only our local community, 253 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:28,640 and the Vancouver Battleground area of Washington State, 254 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,480 but we're gonna go figure out who's who in Portland, 255 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,480 in the Portland music scene. 256 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,320 - Yeah. 257 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,480 - And we're, you gotta go get to know everybody there, 258 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,120 because you've spent your whole, 259 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,080 the first 10 years in this, like, little bubble. 260 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:39,920 - Yeah. 261 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,440 - And so, that kinda kicked everything off, 262 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,120 and that totally changed the trajectory for me in a good way. 263 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,000 - And did that kinda coincide with the 2006 release 264 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,760 that had the one that had mysterious on it? 265 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,880 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, 266 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,920 when I left the rock band, 267 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,080 I had like a little brief period, 268 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,040 we were sort of trying to get back to an indie, 269 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,320 like being the front person. 270 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,160 - Yeah. 271 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,920 - And then, and so the guys were like, 272 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,320 "Well, you know, it felt kind of like a consolation prize, 273 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,560 like, hey, you know, we sort of asked you to leave the band, 274 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:12,880 kind of, they don't, I don't think they see it that way." 275 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,200 But, that's it. 276 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,040 - They never knew. 277 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,540 - Yeah. 278 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:17,380 But they ended up, you know, 279 00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:20,480 making sure that I could get this little EP done, 280 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,840 this acoustic EP, and that was very sweet of them. 281 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:23,680 - Yeah. 282 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:25,560 - So, yeah, that's where the series came in. 283 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,560 - Well, I wanna talk about that song, but real quick, 284 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:31,360 let me ask, like, when did you start writing 285 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,360 and what was the impetus for your songwriting? 286 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,960 - I started writing at 13. 287 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,840 - Okay. - Yeah. 288 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,720 And I think it was, oddly, and, okay, 289 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,920 this is some of sound really silly. 290 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,200 I had like finally, like somebody finally taught me 291 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,480 how to like actually play bar chords. 292 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,080 (laughing) 293 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,240 - They're a bitch. 294 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,080 - Yeah, they are, man. 295 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,320 - Put down that K-Po, learn to play these ones. 296 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,560 - We're at a bar these days. 297 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:58,400 - Like an adult. 298 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,280 - Yeah, here's a little squeeze ball thing. 299 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,560 If you need to strengthen your hand. 300 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:02,400 - Yeah. 301 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,560 - Yeah, no. 302 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:05,240 So, I was playing, I was playing bass. 303 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,880 I'd learn how to play bass at this point. 304 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,120 And the same guy that taught me how to play bass was like, 305 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,240 here's how you play bar chords is very similar. 306 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,000 He gave me some really cool tips and tricks. 307 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,800 And so, I actually, at that point, 308 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,200 was able to start really like listening to some 309 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,840 of the songs that I love just to listen to, 310 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,200 and figured them out by ear, 311 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,360 because now I had a whole new landscape to wander through, 312 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,560 with understanding this little bit of theory and coding. 313 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,720 So, that just sort of inspired me to write. 314 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,200 And so, I was like, well, I wonder if I can put 315 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,560 these progressions together in a similar way. 316 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:39,800 And like, I hear that in my head anyway. 317 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,360 Let's see if I can replicate that. 318 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,800 And most of it was chord, in melody. 319 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,880 And that still holds true for me today. 320 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Like, I'm very lyric melody forward. 321 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,240 But, yeah. 322 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,160 And then I was just going through a lot of shit in life. 323 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,600 Like, my parents were getting divorced. 324 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,440 - Yeah. 325 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,240 - You know, there was a lot of things happening 326 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,440 just in my, in my home life. 327 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,000 And I needed an outlet, man. 328 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,880 I needed something that I could just get lost in, 329 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,160 that took the focus away from how painful things were. 330 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,760 - Well, where specifically does your music theory 331 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:11,760 knowledge come from? 332 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Because like the chord progressions on breathe? 333 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000 (laughs) 334 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,960 Well, like, where does that come from? 335 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,320 Does that come from church? 336 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,240 Does it come from, 337 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,080 like, where you listen to ACDC? 338 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,560 Like, I mean, ACDC isn't used those time chords. 339 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:26,960 But you know what I'm talking about, right? 340 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,000 - Yeah, so, okay, here's the interesting thing. 341 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,320 So like, my, my mom in particular was such a blues fan. 342 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,160 - Yeah. 343 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,200 - And, so, I mean, we would listen to like, 344 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,480 all kinds of blues music and stuff, 345 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,320 but also like that, that opened up my little world to jazz. 346 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,720 So even as a kid, like, jazz and blues, 347 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,600 were some of my favorite types of music. 348 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,320 And then came, you know, '90s R&B, 349 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,160 and I fell in love with that, of course. 350 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,000 - Yeah. 351 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,720 - And so, I mean, you just sort of, I don't know, 352 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,960 it just, those things always sort of spoke to me. 353 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,320 And so, little bits over the years, 354 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,480 I would pick up a little tiny, 355 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,080 a little bit of theory here, a little bit of theory there. 356 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,680 Like, if you asked me anything about theory, 357 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,760 it would be all wrong. 358 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:08,800 - You gotta be kidding me. 359 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,440 - I would be like, I do this all the time. 360 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,280 I like write charts, and I'm like, 361 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,240 I give them to players, and I'm like, 362 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,520 this is probably way wrong. 363 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,440 But, you know, correct me and help me figure out what I need, 364 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,960 what I need to do better next time. 365 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,120 And usually everybody's super gracious, but I hear it. 366 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,680 I just, I've always been away. 367 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,680 I hear it, and I just try to find it and play it. 368 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,080 - It's just been, asmosis, it's been ingrained in you, 369 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,160 because like, when I listen to your chord progressions, 370 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,960 and when I break down your songs, I'm like, 371 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,920 okay, where the hell did she go to school? 372 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:38,760 (laughs) 373 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,400 - No, like, because like, I hear, like, like, 374 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,440 like when I hear mysterious, like, the first two things 375 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,840 that, the first two orders that came to my mind, 376 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,920 talking Patty and Leo Gaki. 377 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:52,760 - Wow. 378 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:53,600 - Yeah, just cool. 379 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,040 - Because of your chord progressions, right? 380 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,520 But then I hear something like, hit and run. 381 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:00,520 - Uh-huh. 382 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,280 - And then I'm like, okay, now we're moving into a listen 383 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,840 to Williams, Oni De Franco, Melissa Atheridge, 384 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,040 tied vibe, right? 385 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,080 And then I hear uninvited, and I'm like, okay, 386 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,240 there's just-- - Well, that's Linda Perry. 387 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,880 - There's just, really, because I-- 388 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,760 - I didn't hear the-- - That's actually her song. 389 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:18,800 I covered her song. 390 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,240 - Oh, that's a cover. - Yeah, that's a cover. 391 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,080 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 392 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,200 - But even, okay, but I could say, 393 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,680 what I was gonna say about that, I could say about Breathe. 394 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,880 I could be like, okay, I hear a little bit, 395 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,360 I hear a little bit of Jill Scott and Eric of the Do. 396 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,360 - Yeah, I love both of them. 397 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,960 I mean, I listened to both of them so much. 398 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,520 - Because, yeah, so it's the jazz, 399 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,240 it's your lovely mother pounding jazz and blues 400 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,800 into your head. 401 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,360 - I mean, she just liked, I mean, 402 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,600 she had a couple of favorite, like Stevie Ray Vaughan 403 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,440 was one of her favorites. 404 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,920 And so, like, and then I just sort of gravitated 405 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,400 towards my out, like one of my favorite records in high school 406 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,000 was Miles Davis kind of boot. 407 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,240 - No. - Yes. 408 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,400 - Really? - Yes. 409 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,600 - So basically you just added yourself 410 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:02,720 as like the loner. 411 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,240 - High school kid. 412 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,080 - I mean, I don't know, I did all right with friends, you know? 413 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,560 But I was also in bands in high school, 414 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,440 so people were like, all right, yeah, I guess you're cool. 415 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,040 - Yeah. - I mean, I felt like the imposter 416 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,560 amongst everybody, but still, I mean, 417 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,080 I wasn't never like popular, but. 418 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,080 - High school sucks. 419 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:17,920 - It does. 420 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,080 - It sucks for everybody. 421 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,400 - Yeah, it really does. 422 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,480 There's nothing, there's nothing fun about it. 423 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,680 No, yeah, I was just, I mean, I think, 424 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,960 like I can't tell you how many adults, like, 425 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,120 all meet now in life, who are like, 426 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:34,000 I remember you as like, you were just so obsessed 427 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,280 with music. 428 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,040 And I was like, I know, isn't that weird? 429 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,160 (laughing) 430 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,880 But they're like, but it was so cool to see you grow 431 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,000 and like, do all this stuff, and I'm like, that's cool. 432 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,360 I'm glad you thought it was entertaining. 433 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,280 Like, I was so lost in it. 434 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,680 I had no idea what else. 435 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,800 I mean, I also, again, I think music is fascinating 436 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,080 on its own, but I mean, I think for a lot of us, 437 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,720 when we're going through really difficult things 438 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,120 in our life, and we need like an escape, 439 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:04,160 like, of course, we're gonna find it in music, you know? 440 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,680 Because it's such an easy thing to get lost in, you know? 441 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,840 Whether you're writing it, whether you're listening to it, 442 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,760 it's like a favorite artist. 443 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,520 You just, you turn to these things for comfort 444 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,880 and to not feel alone. 445 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,680 And for some reason, music has the ability to do that. 446 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,840 - Yeah, it's a mis, it's a beautiful mystery, isn't it? 447 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:24,680 - Yeah. 448 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,760 So let me stick on writing a little bit, 449 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,280 and then I wanna get to all the things you're doing now, 450 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,200 'cause you touched on it a little bit. 451 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,840 But I was having this conversation on one of the other artists, 452 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,960 with Abby Mjor, who's a pop singer songwriter 453 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,360 down in Australia. 454 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,080 And we talked, and I asked her, like, 455 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,640 do you ever write about those flash moments in life, 456 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,720 where something happens and it's like a gasp? 457 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,000 And in that gasp, you feel a million different things. 458 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,280 Like, do you take that approach? 459 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,200 Or when you're writing about something, you're like, 460 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,120 all right, I just went through six months of hell. 461 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,600 Let me try and put this in a four-minute neo-soul. 462 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,120 - Right. (laughs) 463 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:12,000 - Like, how do you approach it now? 464 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,680 Is it structured? 465 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,880 Do you make time every day? 466 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Like, what do you do for your writing? 467 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,280 - Well, living in Nashville changes everything about songwriting. 468 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,120 - Yeah. 469 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,800 - I mean, I've been here for two and a half, almost three years. 470 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,640 - Yeah. 471 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,360 - And it has changed everything for me 472 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:33,920 about my approach to songwriting in a good way. 473 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,760 - Yeah. 474 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,120 - I read the first of the while, it sort of, 475 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,640 that sort of hit me like kind of like a freight train in some ways, 476 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,600 where I was like, wait a second, I have to rethink all this. 477 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,440 Like, I'm kind of old, I don't know if I want to rethink it. 478 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,000 (laughs) 479 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,160 This is gonna be a lot of work. 480 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,000 - Yeah, damn it. 481 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:48,840 - Yeah. 482 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,360 So now my approach, and I will say that, 483 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,960 I think we all went through some just shit 484 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,320 through the pandemic. 485 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,040 And so I, I will say that we collectively took 486 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,360 some really big hits in that, that I don't know that I fully 487 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:09,480 been able to wrap my head around, you know, four years later. 488 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,040 But also, I mean, I went through a lot of other stuff too. 489 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,320 I moved from the Pacific Northwest to Nashville, 490 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,520 which is completely different. 491 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,040 - Oh my God, you know me both, man. 492 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,640 I came here from Seattle, right? 493 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,280 Like, this is a different planet. 494 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,880 - Yeah, so there was that, which I think is, 495 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,000 I mean, just a move in and of itself is, 496 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,640 it sort of really kicks up a lot of dust in your world 497 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,480 and you realize, oh, there's some cracks in that part of 498 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,680 foundation that I didn't know were there. 499 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,520 - Yeah. 500 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,920 - You know, I went on a, I lost a lot of friends 501 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,760 through the pandemic, like not just because the relationships 502 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,200 sort of shifted and moved on, but also I lost, 503 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,680 I mean, people died and I had friends pass away, you know? 504 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,560 My grandfather passed away and that is certainly due to COVID, 505 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,480 but like, just people that were in my life that I loved, you know? 506 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,320 - Yeah. 507 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,800 - And it's been a consistent basis over the last like three years 508 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,440 or four years that it's like trying to, it becomes compound grief, 509 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,600 right? 510 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,280 And so I haven't really had the mental capacity to approach that. 511 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:15,280 And also, I mean, dealing with like, really personal shifts 512 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,440 and around how I see the world foundationally. 513 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,000 You know, like I've always been somebody, yes, 514 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,800 I grew up in the church, I've always been somebody 515 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 who is like, I loved studying things, I loved history, 516 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,080 I loved learning. 517 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,840 And so I was constantly getting in trouble 518 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,400 because I would question, you know? 519 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,760 My authorities and be like, well, what about this? 520 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,000 This doesn't really make sense. 521 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,840 - Yeah. 522 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,760 - And that never stopped and as technology has advanced 523 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,760 and we were able to get podcasts and have access 524 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,000 to more people and more thoughts, you know? 525 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,880 I found myself like digging into more information 526 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,040 and learning even more and those things challenged so much 527 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,160 of what I've felt with foundational beliefs for me, 528 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,360 that I was like, oh, oh, I have a lot of extra things 529 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:59,080 to also think about on top of this compound grief. 530 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:05,200 So I have had a very difficult time approaching those subjects 531 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,200 because they feel so conflated. 532 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,600 They feel so mixed up, like, you threw it in a jar 533 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,000 and shook it up and now it's just, you know, 534 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,000 shit everywhere. 535 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,760 And so I'm grateful for the time being here in Nashville 536 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,520 because I feel like it's forced me to rethink songwriting 537 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,120 and to be a little bit more intentional 538 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,480 and try to find ways to be more concise. 539 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:32,520 And also not be afraid of writing hard songs. 540 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,320 Songs that would be hard for people to hear. 541 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,320 - Yeah. 542 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,440 The writing process in Nashville is so interesting 543 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,000 when you get to the point of having like, 544 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,520 back-to-back writes in three hour blocks. 545 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,360 - Absolutely. - Right. 546 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:46,360 - Yeah. 547 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,120 - Because then you're like, well, wait a second. 548 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,320 Am I doing art here or am I making or like, 549 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,760 I equate it to making a burrito. 550 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,320 - Yeah. - You know? 551 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,880 - Uh-huh. - It's like, well, I gotta go make, 552 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,760 I gotta go make a burrito with these two dudes 553 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,120 I have no idea about. 554 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,040 - Yeah. - Right? 555 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,200 - Yep. 556 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,440 - It is, but once you do that enough, 557 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,000 your skill, you really sharpen that blade. 558 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,640 - Absolutely. - Yeah. 559 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,560 - When you start to learn, like I was saying earlier, 560 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,000 like I've always been music and melody forward. 561 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,400 - Yeah. - Like that's always the first thing 562 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,560 that comes to me. - Yeah. 563 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,160 - And since I've been playing since I was, 564 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,960 you know, a little girl, I mean, as long as I can read 565 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,240 and write, I've been playing an instrument. 566 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,320 It's pretty easy for me to jump in 567 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,040 and really come up with either a fast court progression 568 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,160 or somebody's got a different melody that they're singing, 569 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,040 at least find the key that they're in 570 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,040 and follow the progression that their melody is leading us towards. 571 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,560 And so that's been really good, 572 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,680 but it has sharpened my skills as a lyricist, for sure, 573 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,040 because you get to the point in the story faster 574 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,400 and you start asking different questions. 575 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,200 You're like, okay, what the hell are we, 576 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,400 what are we trying to say in the song? 577 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,040 What story are we telling? 578 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,040 - Well, and it's interesting too, 579 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,040 'cause you can get into a write with somebody 580 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,680 and you're like, you walk in there and you've got a great idea. 581 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,800 And the other people that you're working with 582 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,680 can either absolutely destroy it 583 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,120 or turn it into something even better. 584 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,680 Like you're really walking a fine line. 585 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,520 - For sure. 586 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,360 - You know, and you really have to cultivate relationships. 587 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:24,120 Until you get to that point where you're like, 588 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,040 okay, I'm bringing my best idea. 589 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,680 'Cause I've heard, not only from what I've done 590 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,160 and from what others have said, 591 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,200 it's like don't ever walk into a Nashville write with your best idea. 592 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,400 - Oh yeah. 593 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,400 - Unless, unless you go then. 594 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,040 - Unless they are, you're absolute writing besties 595 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,400 and you're like, all right guys. 596 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,120 And you can kind of push back and say, 597 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,640 no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't wanna go that way. 598 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,160 I wanna stay true to this. 599 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,800 - Yeah. 600 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,320 - Yeah, you know what's also so cool. 601 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,680 Okay, so this is sort of tangential to that. 602 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,880 When I first moved here, 603 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,920 I went to a show that a friend of ours 604 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,840 from Seattle was playing Jessica Lynn with. 605 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,160 - Yeah, Jessica. 606 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,160 - She was doing around with this group 607 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,240 at the listening room here 608 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,800 and one of the guys that was in that round 609 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,000 is named Mark Elliott. 610 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,200 - Why do I know that, babe? 611 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,400 - Well, I've ridden with him a bunch. 612 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:13,920 - Okay. 613 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,680 - And that night I saw him 614 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,160 and there was just something so, 615 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,040 his storytelling, the way that he could paint 616 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040 the picture with words, I was immediately, 617 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,000 I was like, I have to write that guy. 618 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,840 I mean, I have to get, 619 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,040 I was like, I wanted to grow anyways a lyricist. 620 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,960 And I knew that the only way to do that was to find somebody 621 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,840 who was as skilled as this man was. 622 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,600 And so I went up to him afterwards, 623 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,240 I was like, you don't know me. 624 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,240 (laughing) 625 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,400 I'm here, I'm good friends with Jessica Lynn Whitty 626 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,960 and I came here to see her, 627 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,240 but like, I just moved here 628 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,040 and I would love to write with you. 629 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,680 And that's such a Nashville thing. 630 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,880 And it worked out. 631 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,600 So he came over and the very first song, 632 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,760 it was just like boom, it was something so special. 633 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,880 And I would say that's one of those rare instances 634 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,960 where like after that, 635 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,880 there was always the best idea on the table. 636 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,720 - Yeah. 637 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,240 - And every time he came over to write, 638 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520 every single time he came over to write, 639 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,520 like he kept saying he was like, 640 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,800 I don't, like we've never hit the point 641 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,480 where we're like, we can't find a good idea, 642 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,760 let's go grab a beer. 643 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,280 I can never happen because something always came out of us 644 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,880 that was so beautiful. 645 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,720 - Yeah. 646 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,520 - And I am so grateful for that experience 647 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,400 because I had that and then I had the other shitty rights. 648 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,320 Where you're like, oh, yeah. 649 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,120 - Yeah, I'm glad I didn't bring my best idea here. 650 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:31,480 - Well, and let's be honest, 651 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,120 you've probably had more rights that didn't pan out. 652 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:34,960 - Oh yeah. 653 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,840 - Yeah, I mean, that's just the way it goes. 654 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,400 You know, you're gonna have, 655 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760 like for you, what do you think the ratio 656 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,040 is like for every 10 rights, 657 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320 you get one good song, two good song, 658 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,080 like, or is it one every 20? 659 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,920 Like, what is it? 660 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,400 - No, I feel like it's probably one, one every five or 10. 661 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,640 - Yeah. - Yeah. 662 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,640 But I mean, it's the pessimist, the experienced, I guess, 663 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,160 the experience in me says that like, 664 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,040 what are we doing with these songs? 665 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:02,880 - Yeah. 666 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,720 - You know what I mean? 667 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,560 At some point, you're like, 668 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,320 you're building relationship and that's valuable. 669 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,920 And so I find the value in sitting in the room 670 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,120 with somebody and being like, 671 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,440 you know what, I don't think this song is gonna go anywhere 672 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,640 or do anything, but that doesn't really matter. 673 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,560 What matters is that we're connecting on 674 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,160 whatever level we're connecting on here 675 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,680 and who knows where this relationship is gonna go. 676 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,480 And you know what, maybe you will. 677 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800 Maybe some other song that you write with somebody else 678 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,560 is gonna hit and this will be something 679 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,000 that you pull back in later that you're like, 680 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,840 you know, and I really love this, 681 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120 or you know, you'll pull me into a right in the future 682 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,200 and you'll do something that's really magnificent. 683 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,560 And so I don't mind the dud rights, you know, 684 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,960 I don't mind it when they're just totally bad 685 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960 'cause I feel like it's so much more important 686 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,800 to build a relationship. 687 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,640 - Yeah, that's true. 688 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,160 And you never know, 689 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,520 like even if you write something 690 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,320 and it's not for you per se, you're like, 691 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,400 ah, this is more from a male point of view or, 692 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,920 you know, it's not a topic I feel comfortable with. 693 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:00,760 - Right. 694 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,120 - It very well, like somebody else might cut it. 695 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,520 Somebody, you know? 696 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,360 - Yeah. 697 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,400 And I honestly, like, I've had, I've had, 698 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,760 I also have been on rights where like, I got cuts, 699 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,120 even though like, this guy named Alex Harris, 700 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,000 NSAI set me up with, this right with him 701 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,400 and we did a Zoom right for a song. 702 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,760 And he's a soul singer. 703 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,040 And so I was super grateful for that 704 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,920 because a lot of the rights I do here in Nashville, 705 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,240 or country, and I'm not a country artist. 706 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,960 So they're never for me. 707 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960 They're always for whoever else is in the room. 708 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,460 - Right. 709 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:32,520 - But this one was really cool 710 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,080 because he's got such a fucking cool voice, 711 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,680 real baritone, like, cool sounding voice. 712 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,280 We wrote this song and he cut it. 713 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,160 And it's on his, it's on him and he released it 714 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,160 and I'm like, this is super fucking cool. 715 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,160 You know, and I had some other friends who, you know, 716 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,080 are getting ready to do some independent releases 717 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400 and they're cutting the songs that we wrote. 718 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,800 And like, that feels really good, you know? 719 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,080 I mean, is it a major cut? 720 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,720 No, but any time you see a song go from right to recording. 721 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,720 - Yeah, it's just another notch on the resume. 722 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,000 And for those who don't know, for those who are listening, 723 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,840 who don't know. 724 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,240 - And tell everybody what, in SAI is-- 725 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,520 - Nashville Song Writers Association International. 726 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,160 They have chapters all over the world. 727 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,000 - Yeah. 728 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,920 - It's a good thing. 729 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,240 - Yeah, you can become a member of. 730 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,240 And they're just, their whole goal is to be a meeting place 731 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,000 for songwriters so that we can one get together 732 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,120 and write songs, but also, you know, 733 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,440 they provide a lot of educational resources. 734 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,760 Once you get in and really start building relationships 735 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,080 with them and they start to see, you know, your growth, 736 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,240 they become advocates for us as well. 737 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,640 So they start to like, okay, well, we see where you're going 738 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,880 with this and we can help you get in touch with these people. 739 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,680 So they will sometimes orchestrate 740 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,200 or facilitate at least an introduction 741 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,640 in relationships so you can move forward. 742 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,720 But, they're just, I love them. 743 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,760 I think it's a really good reputation. 744 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,040 There's, I mean, there's a lot of quote unquote, 745 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,040 column associations, column guilds, whatever around town. 746 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,800 And NSAI has a gold star next to them like they're-- 747 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,640 - Absolutely. 748 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,480 - Yeah. 749 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,880 - And I mean, they've been advocating for like, 750 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,720 I mean, to kind of take us into the streaming world 751 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,440 and stuff, they've been advocating forever 752 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,120 for, you know, streaming and royalties 753 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600 and songwriter rights and making sure that there's protections. 754 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,440 - Yeah. 755 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,840 - Like they had a hand in the Music Modernization Act 756 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,920 in the Macy. - A big hand in the Music Modernization Act. 757 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,080 - Yeah, absolutely. - Yeah, absolutely. 758 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,880 - Parts of the man. - Parts of the man. 759 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,880 - Yeah. 760 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,760 - Yeah, I mean, and that because of what they were advocating for 761 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,800 and because of that, you know, Kandah MLC and Bart is also 762 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,080 made play a big role in the MLC, 763 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,000 the Mechanical Licensing Collective. 764 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,000 And I mean, they are, they are doing good, 765 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,520 really good work on behalf of songwriters in particular 766 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,280 and particularly self-published songwriters. 767 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,880 And they're working their asses off to get around the country 768 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,040 and make sure that if you're an independent songwriter 769 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,840 who publishes your own music or, you know, 770 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,640 you are a partner with a band who's publishing their own music 771 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,320 or whomever, they're going out and they're putting on these 772 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240 different, like, they're partnering with Music Business 773 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,880 Association to do road shows or like Portland Music is a, 774 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,520 I'm looking at advocacy group in Portland, same thing trying 775 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,920 to advocate for the music community in their local cities 776 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,800 and stuff and so MLC partners with them. 777 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,440 And that's all because of the Music Modernization Act. 778 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,360 It's all because of the stuff that NSA I did. 779 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,920 So it's really, it's really cool to see that in real time. 780 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,680 And so let me tell you this, I was actually, 781 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,160 I was at the final judicial hearing for the Music Modernization Act. 782 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,600 - Where? - In New York City. 783 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,560 - No kidding. - It was wild. 784 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,640 - That's cool. - Like, it was weird. 785 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520 First of all, I'd never been to a judicial hearing. 786 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,640 So I was like, I've seen this all. 787 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,440 - Well, I have, but I can't talk about it. 788 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520 (laughing) 789 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,520 - Yeah. 790 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,080 And you think these things are gonna be really boring? 791 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040 And to some extent, they are kind of boring. 792 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120 But what was exciting about this was, 793 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,360 so it had like, Aloe black and, 794 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,880 oh gosh, why can't I, I think it might clink, 795 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,600 book or tea, Jones, 796 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,680 it's like just some incredible people sitting at the witness table 797 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,880 in front of, you know, this panel of Congress people. 798 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,600 And they're talking about, you know, the reasons why, 799 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,000 that giving their testimony, this is why, 800 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,200 this is so important. 801 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,280 And it was a variety, but it was a lot of different things, 802 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,720 like most bills in America are. 803 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,040 One of the things is the classic act, 804 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,320 another thing was like fair play, fair pay, kind of stuff. 805 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,560 And so there was just a lot that was sort of put into this package, 806 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,080 but it was really cool to hear their perspectives. 807 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,600 Like hearing Booker Tea Jones be like, listen, 808 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,800 like all of my buddies who I made music with in the '60s, 809 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,080 are broke as shit. 810 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,640 They can't, you know, they can't afford to live in a tiny little apartment, 811 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,440 and yet their songs are still at the top of the charts. 812 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,080 - Genre-rating. - You know, and massive income, 813 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,000 but because of an arbitrary law or rule that was written, 814 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,640 that dates pre-1972 songs are, you know, 815 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,000 not able to collect royalties on behalf of these artists, 816 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,480 like it was really cool to hear the passion in that, 817 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,480 and to watch these Congress people like get it. 818 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,920 And I think, oh gosh, I'm totally thinking about names right now. 819 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,600 Hakeem Jeffries was one of the ones that was on that committee. 820 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800 And so to be able to, you know, give his compassionate response, 821 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,200 like thank you for bringing this to our attention, we didn't know. 822 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,200 You know what I mean? 823 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,720 And that gave inspiration for like, well duh, of course they don't know. 824 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,920 If we're not telling people what's going on, 825 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,520 then they're never going to do anything about it. 826 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,040 Yeah, and there's so many people in this industry 827 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,720 that are willing to just do anything and give all of their rights away, 828 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,240 and you know, that it's really, it's an uphill battle 829 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,240 to get it right and fair and just and equitable and sustainable 830 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,960 for the aspiring artists who are making a living out of it. 831 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,720 Because I mean, there's so many people who will play a gig for free. 832 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,800 You know? - Yeah. - There's so many people who like, 833 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,040 don't give a shit if they don't get paid. 834 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,000 Oh yeah, the devaluation of music is, but here's the other thing. 835 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,400 So on the other side, the devaluation of like our, our, our indie world. 836 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,520 - The culture? - The culture, right? 837 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,080 Yeah, I become, yeah. 838 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,080 - Oh man. - Yeah. 839 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,240 - America kind of sucks. 840 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:39,480 But the devaluation of music has been, it's odd because on one hand, 841 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,080 we live in a time where anyone can make music 842 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,480 and anyone can put this music out in the world. 843 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,680 And it doesn't, you don't have to go through a big major label, right? 844 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040 And so that is unique in and of itself. 845 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,000 The major labels are actually making more money 846 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,760 than they've ever fucking made. 847 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,920 And so that's wild to think about like that's happening. 848 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,600 Also, we have these opportunities to sort of like wild west 849 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,480 and go do what we want as artists. 850 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,040 And yet there's this giant road in the middle 851 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,240 that's broke as shit. 852 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,480 - Yeah. - Because we don't know how to monetize our work. 853 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,200 Because there are the people who have got and played for free, you know? 854 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,240 Like when you push back on a venue and you're like, no, I'm not gonna, 855 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,600 I'm not gonna pay to play at your venue. 856 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,560 And I'm not gonna put, you know, play for free. 857 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,480 If you want me there for two or three hours, setting tone 858 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,400 and creating ambiance and engaging your people 859 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,080 so that they continue to eat and drink, like, no, you pay me for that. 860 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,400 - Yeah, exactly. 861 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,320 - And they're like, wow, now I got somebody to do it 862 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,320 for like half what you will or a quarter of a week. 863 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,440 - Yeah, and they're gonna suck because when you hire me, 864 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,760 what you're getting, and we have, I have this conversation 865 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,600 a lot with people. 866 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,720 It's like the reason why my rate is so high is because you're paying 867 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,920 somebody to come in there who's been playing piano professionally 868 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,840 for 30 years. 869 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,840 - Yeah. 870 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,360 - I've done more gigs than you can count. 871 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,320 Like, I'm gonna bring some value in there. 872 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,240 Like, you're paying for my time when, like, as soon as I start 873 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:03,040 packing up my gear to getting there and getting back 874 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,640 and you're paying for the experience. 875 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,480 - Yeah. 876 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,320 - Yeah. 877 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,040 I had this fun little conversation with one of my best friends 878 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,720 who's an amazing drummer I toured with him for a couple of years. 879 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,000 He's in Jersey. 880 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,800 And he pissed off all of his buddies in Jersey recently 881 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,720 'cause he said, "Guys, I'm not going out 882 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,200 unless I make X amount of dollars." 883 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,200 And I'm like, "Good for you." 884 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,480 Like, you know, I'd rather be home with my wife and daughter 885 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,120 if you're not gonna paint me what I'm worth. 886 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,120 - The rates for live music in particular 887 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,640 haven't changed since the '80s. 888 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,480 - Oh yeah. 889 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,320 It's weird. 890 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,160 - Yeah, it's crap. 891 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,000 - It's weird. 892 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,000 And you think about like inflation. 893 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,960 I mean, that also gets into more of a larger political 894 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,800 conversation as well. 895 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,640 And I think the bigger situation here is that 896 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,160 kind of similar to what we're seeing, you know, 897 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,760 between the Walmart CEOs and the workers. 898 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560 You know, there's this massive gap between 899 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,720 who's got all this fucking wealth 900 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,240 and the people that are doing the work 901 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:02,760 to create the wealth for these guys. 902 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,720 And I think the same thing exists in the industry 903 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,480 largely from it, but largely from an independent perspective. 904 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,480 And so I feel like because of this massive wealth gap, 905 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,080 it does make it difficult when we as independence 906 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,200 go to a venue or a bar or whatever it is. 907 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,200 And we're like, "Hey, we wanna play here." 908 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,480 And everybody's sort of looking at each other 909 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,480 like with a hand, you know, on their little holster, 910 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,400 little gun on their hip, like, "Well, who's gonna draw first here?" 911 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,440 'Cause at some point, we've become the enemies with each other. 912 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,520 Instead of being like, "No, this should be a mutually beneficial thing." 913 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,360 Yes. 914 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,600 Maybe I can only draw 20 people in here, 915 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,040 but what do you have for me as well? 916 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,200 And I can guarantee you that those 20 people 917 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,440 are gonna at least spend $50 a piece, you know, 918 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,880 in this establishment. 919 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,560 - Well, and that's one of the things that I love about 920 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,280 the artists such as yourself who are putting their music 921 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,120 up into this space, it's a mutually beneficial relationship. 922 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,200 If people find value in your music, 923 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,960 they're gonna give you some value in return, you know? 924 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,720 And I mean, even if it's only like 10 cents, 925 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:14,360 or even if it's only like 60 sats or whatever it is, 926 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,240 that's a hell of a lot more than you're gonna get 927 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,760 on any of the other platforms. 928 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,360 And every now, then you'll get somebody who's like, 929 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,160 "Damn, Amber is dope, I'm gonna send you $3 bucks, right?" 930 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,360 - So awesome. 931 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,200 - Yeah. 932 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,520 It's groundbreaking. 933 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,360 - Yeah. 934 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,920 - No, you're good. 935 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,600 So let me, before we kind of dive deeper into that, 936 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,160 let's go over all of the things 937 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,960 that you're doing right now to make ends meet as a musician, 938 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,560 because I know like you're doing rights, you're doing gigs, 939 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,680 you're doing producing, you're doing custom songwriting, 940 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,120 you're doing some stuff in AI, like what are you doing? 941 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,520 Everybody, like you got a million balls in there. 942 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,680 - Everything you said. 943 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,760 (laughing) 944 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,040 - Yeah, I mean, it's a hustle, right? 945 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,040 Like, I think just because of the nature of the journey 946 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,440 that I've had in music, I have a lot of skills 947 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,240 that allow me to get creative in doing music and music on me. 948 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,360 - Yes, I do, I've been producing more, 949 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,760 I've been writing a lot of custom songs 950 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,040 through a company called Song Finch. 951 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,040 - Mm. 952 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,240 - Of course, you can also order one for me directly. 953 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,240 - Nice. 954 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,400 - And then I've been, like, I do demo work for people, 955 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,640 I'll do session work. 956 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,440 Yeah, I play like gigs. 957 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,880 I've been dipping my toe into this world 958 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960 that you guys are bringing me into and trying to fit. 959 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,080 I'm like, how do I learn about all this? 960 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,240 - Yeah. 961 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,720 - And just really trying to figure out 962 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,920 like how do you guys own my skills? 963 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,760 - Yeah. 964 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,640 - I think is, it would be easy for me to probably jump 965 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,560 to an entry level position on the pro music side 966 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,280 and maybe work my way up to something in there. 967 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,840 If I was just like, I need a steady paycheck 968 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,120 and a good health insurance plan 969 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,520 and vacation time or whatever, 970 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,200 but I feel like I would die a little bit if I did that. 971 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,760 (laughing) 972 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,000 Yeah, I feel like. 973 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,320 All right, so Song Finch, Song Finch? 974 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,800 - Yeah. - Right, okay. 975 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,000 So they can find you there 976 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,120 and you can write a custom song for them. 977 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,120 So if I said, hey, is there a set rate in there 978 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,160 or-- - Yeah, they have a set rate, yeah. 979 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,000 - Okay. 980 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000 - I think they charge, like, I think it's like $200 a song. 981 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,680 You can add extra verses 982 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,920 and sometimes they're more produced, 983 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,160 but sometimes they're just a guitar and a vocal. 984 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,480 It just kind of depends on-- 985 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,920 - Yeah. - You know, the vibe and time. 986 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,000 - And what do you end up writing for people? 987 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,040 Are you writing like, just somebody say, 988 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,280 hey, can you write me a song about my wife? 989 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,760 Here's how we met and-- 990 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,000 - They have a very structured format. 991 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,200 So you feel out like a little questionnaire. 992 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,560 Who's the song for? 993 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,440 What is the song about, is this an anniversary or a birthday? 994 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,520 Do you want that named in the song? 995 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,600 - Is it a divorce? 996 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,440 - The divorce, yeah. 997 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,680 Yeah, oh my gosh. 998 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,280 - That would be cool. 999 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,960 - Some of my friends have gotten the divorce songs, yeah. 1000 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,920 I'm like, that is insane. 1001 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,920 I'd be like, fuck you. 1002 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,920 ♪ The city's over ♪ 1003 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,960 - You're not getting half-- 1004 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,440 - Yeah. - You're lucky to get an eighth. 1005 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,360 - So glad we had that three notes. 1006 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,520 (laughing) 1007 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,440 - No, that's awesome. 1008 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,440 - Yeah. 1009 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,480 - I haven't gotten that one yet. 1010 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,560 That would be interesting. 1011 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,480 That would be interesting when it-- 1012 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,080 I've had some weird ones though. 1013 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,400 - I found out he slept. 1014 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,160 Hippon, rather, and I'm just kidding. 1015 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,360 - Dude, he would be amazed at some-- 1016 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,040 most people don't get that in-depth, 1017 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,640 but sometimes people do. 1018 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,480 - Oh yeah. 1019 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,280 - And you're like, okay, I'm not adding that in the song. 1020 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,120 (laughing) 1021 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,960 - No. 1022 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,960 - Wow, that must be pretty cool to do it though. 1023 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,040 - Yeah, yeah. 1024 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,720 - To custom write songs for people. 1025 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,320 What are most of the requests that you get? 1026 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,440 - Most of them are for like anniversaries. 1027 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,280 - Yeah. 1028 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,120 - Yeah. 1029 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:07,960 - That's sweet. 1030 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,960 - And it is super sweet. 1031 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,200 Or birthdays, like it's really, really sweet. 1032 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,800 And they, I mean, it's interesting 1033 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,240 the differences between people, because, like I said, 1034 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,760 some people will be really detailed 1035 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,160 and I actually appreciate having more detail. 1036 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,000 - Hmm. 1037 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:28,840 - Yeah. 1038 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,680 - Because the more information I get, 1039 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,840 the better the story I can tell, 1040 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,000 versus like a generic, like, oh, it's for my husband 1041 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,720 and he's just amazing and I love him 1042 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,720 and I want, you know, a song for him. 1043 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,280 - Yeah, well, come on, sweetheart. 1044 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,120 You gotta get one. 1045 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,480 - It was a little bit more than that. 1046 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,320 - Where'd you meet? 1047 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,880 - Where'd he from? 1048 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,720 - Yeah. 1049 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:46,560 - Yeah. 1050 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,520 - Does he like the Portland Trailblazer? 1051 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,760 - Yeah, he got, give me something to go by. 1052 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,920 - I actually got to write one for a football player. 1053 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,760 - Really? 1054 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,920 - Yeah, I mean, he's a retired. 1055 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,960 He was a tri-fripple player, but he was pro football player. 1056 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,800 - No kidding. 1057 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,960 - Yeah, I was like, oh, this is really cool. 1058 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,520 What was the topic? 1059 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,120 - I think it was for his birthday. 1060 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:02,960 - Okay. 1061 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,920 - Yeah, it was really, and his, it was a really, really sweet song. 1062 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,560 Yeah, that was really fun. 1063 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,920 I mean, it's some sad ones too. 1064 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,840 - Oh, I bet. 1065 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,240 - I don't mind the sad, you know? 1066 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:13,080 - Yeah. 1067 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,000 - 'Cause yeah, there you can kinda, 1068 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000 there you can kinda tap into something. 1069 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,000 Like, I think in some respects, sadness and pain 1070 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,240 is more easily shared than happiness. 1071 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,080 - For sure. 1072 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:27,920 - In some respects. 1073 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,760 - Yeah. 1074 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,600 - And it's definitely a really strange experience 1075 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,840 because I don't interact with any of these people. 1076 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:33,680 - Yeah. 1077 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,480 - If they find me after the fact, 1078 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,320 like, 'cause you, you can, I have my socials and stuff 1079 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,280 on my little profile. 1080 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,440 You know, sometimes they'll send me videos 1081 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,880 like with their reactions and that like is so sweet. 1082 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,040 I'll spall. 1083 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,600 You're like, oh my gosh, I love this. 1084 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,040 They're so happy. 1085 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,920 And then, you know, other times, like, 1086 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,480 I'm just sitting there bawling because I'm like, 1087 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,320 I'm so sorry you're going through this in your life. 1088 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,000 I wish I could say something else about it, you know? 1089 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,840 - Yeah. 1090 00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,660 - Yeah. 1091 00:43:59,660 --> 00:44:02,720 - That's gotta be a really cool experience though too. 1092 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,520 'Cause that, I mean, that's like, you know, 1093 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,520 it's like somebody hiring you to pan a portrait. 1094 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,360 - Absolutely. 1095 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,200 - Yeah. 1096 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,200 - I think they should charge more. 1097 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,240 But yes, absolutely. 1098 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,080 It is like that. 1099 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:15,920 - Yeah. 1100 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,760 - Yeah. 1101 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,080 - Now tell me, what are you doing with AI? 1102 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,920 Exactly. 1103 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,280 - So I use a lot of AI. 1104 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,120 - Okay. 1105 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,400 - So everybody's been freaking out about it. 1106 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,600 Like, even in real life, 1107 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,480 you'll have conversations with people and they're freaking out. 1108 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,720 They're like, oh no, it's just gonna, 1109 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:31,960 everybody's gonna lose their job. 1110 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,800 And, you know, I was talking to my best friend about it 1111 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,240 and we were like, it feels a little bit like 1112 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,200 when the internet came out. 1113 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,560 Everybody was freaking out. 1114 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,080 They're like, no, it's gonna kill jobs. 1115 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,520 And I mean, to some degree, like, 1116 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,200 there is some truth that will eliminate some positions. 1117 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,400 And there's definitely some greedy ass CEOs out there 1118 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,760 who are like excited to lay off and have been laying off 1119 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,120 their staff 'cause they're relying on 1120 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,040 this AI to do some of these tasks. 1121 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,280 But as somebody who is running their own business 1122 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,160 and has lots of different, you know, 1123 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,000 balls in the air and plate spinning, 1124 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,120 it's nice to be able to get on a chat GPT 1125 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640 and have some really well-crafted props 1126 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,480 and help me reduce the amount of time it takes 1127 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,480 to like, write a bio or rewrite a bio, 1128 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,840 you know, or when I'm sitting there, 1129 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,320 like, I need a really good marketing plan for this, you know. 1130 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,880 - Particular song or whatever. 1131 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,720 - Yeah. 1132 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,920 - So it'll spawn some ideas for you? 1133 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,960 - Yeah, I'm working on social media stuff. 1134 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,920 You're like, okay, I need you to ask me questions 1135 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,080 until you feel like you understand, you know, 1136 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,080 what my goals, you explain some of your goals 1137 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,040 and you just ask me some questions 1138 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,840 until you feel like you understand, you know, who I am 1139 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,280 and what my business is about or what the song is about. 1140 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,920 And then I want you to come up with like, 1141 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,560 a content calendar for the next 30 days 1142 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,000 that I can use for social media. 1143 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,720 And whether you use all the ideas or not, 1144 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:50,440 I mean, that's up to you and your discretion. 1145 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,320 And sometimes it gives you really terrible ideas. 1146 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,160 - Right. 1147 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,920 - And a lot of times it does at least do enough 1148 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,000 where you're like, great, I would have taken five days 1149 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,520 to come up with this because I don't know 1150 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,360 what the hell I'm doing in this world. 1151 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,080 - What do you think about it with respect to songwriting? 1152 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,960 'Cause we're starting to see songs come out. 1153 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,840 I actually reviewed one last week 1154 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,600 on the fan-appower review. 1155 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,960 - Oh yeah, how was it? 1156 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,440 - It caught me off guard, to be honest with you, 1157 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,920 because I'm a bit of a prick when it comes to listening 1158 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,960 to new music. 1159 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:24,800 - Right. 1160 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,640 - Right? 1161 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,480 - Well, I don't know that of you, but yeah. 1162 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,960 - But here's how I go about it. 1163 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,720 Like I'm gonna listen to like the first five, 10 seconds. 1164 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,200 - Yeah. 1165 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,680 - If I hear poor quality, I'm gonna get turned off. 1166 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,600 - Yeah. 1167 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,440 - If I hear a guitar or voice out of tune, I'm done. 1168 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,600 I'm moving on. 1169 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680 If I like it, if something, 1170 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,360 if the energy of the vibe speaks to me, 1171 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,800 then I'm gonna skip head like 30 seconds. 1172 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,600 Try to find the head. 1173 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,560 I'm gonna jump around a little bit. 1174 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,440 And then if I like it, I'll listen to the whole thing. 1175 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,320 And I actually ended up listening, 1176 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,960 and this was a really pop-y-pop song. 1177 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,360 It was like, it could have been a Justin Bieber, 1178 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,640 it could have been a, as I said on the review, 1179 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,520 it could have been a song about, 1180 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,560 that somebody would use to sell Pepsi or cheeseburg, 1181 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,560 or something. 1182 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,080 - And I'm sitting there and I'm like, 1183 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,440 "Why am I listening to this whole thing?" 1184 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,360 'Cause I'm like, I mean, I like pop, 1185 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,720 but it's not my go-to. 1186 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,320 - Right. 1187 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,400 - So I was like, "What the hell, 1188 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,480 "why am I listening to this whole thing?" 1189 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,960 And I still can't, I mean, obviously, 1190 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,800 the chord structure, it was hitting all the points. 1191 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,320 - It was hitting all the points. 1192 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,200 Now the lyrics were fluffy fluff. 1193 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,440 - Was it? - Like there's nothing, 1194 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,280 there was nothing there. 1195 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,400 - Or the music didn't. 1196 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,200 - But yeah, so I kind of put it out there 1197 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,760 in the ether during the review. 1198 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,960 I'm kind of like, "I'm still up in the air about this." 1199 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,160 Like, I don't like it being implemented. 1200 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,080 - Sure. - I don't. 1201 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,080 - Yeah. 1202 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,520 - I can't do anything to stop it. 1203 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,960 I find it fascinating that the major record labels 1204 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,400 have already launched tens of thousands of takedowns. 1205 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,000 - Oh yeah. 1206 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,800 - While simultaneously investing in AI. 1207 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,000 - Okay, so I sat through a panel that As can't put on, on AI. 1208 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:14,840 - Okay. 1209 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,160 - And it was, like just a few months ago, 1210 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,000 I'm super nerdy about this shit. 1211 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,840 - Nice. 1212 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:20,680 - Yeah. 1213 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,960 - So I sat through this panel. 1214 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,040 And it was all, it was like the main lawyers 1215 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,440 from the copyright office and somebody from Warner Brothers 1216 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,440 and a bunch of lawyers talking about the subject of AI. 1217 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,160 And there are some cases out there right now 1218 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,920 that are, they're the precedent setting court cases 1219 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,360 on the use of AI. 1220 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,480 And they were expressing that from the top down, 1221 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,440 like everybody's goals to make sure 1222 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,480 that like your biometrics can't just be used 1223 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,200 to manufacture something and money be made off of you 1224 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,800 without your consent. 1225 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,400 Like that is total exploitation. 1226 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,160 And everybody on that stage was like, 1227 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,800 we're working very hard to make sure 1228 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,080 that that doesn't happen. 1229 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,840 And yes, they are investing in the technology. 1230 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,600 Because they were talking about the biometrics 1231 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,360 and how, first of all, the internet 1232 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,720 has scrubbed all of our biometrics. 1233 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,600 So they all, if you put anything up on the internet, 1234 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,720 your biometrics are out there, 1235 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,160 whether you think they are or not. 1236 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,000 - Yeah. 1237 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,800 - And so while there are companies out here 1238 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,160 who are using that without your consent, 1239 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,200 they're trying to solve that problem. 1240 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,520 But they're also trying to create these systems. 1241 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,760 And this was the question I asked, 1242 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,720 I was like, are you ever gonna get to the point 1243 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:36,040 where like you can mark the biometrics of my voice 1244 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,400 and then just pay me a fee and then also attach like you do 1245 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,800 as an ISRC code to a song so that every time 1246 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,200 that my biometrics are used in this scenario, 1247 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,880 that I'm gonna get royalty for it. 1248 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,920 And she was like, we're not there yet, 1249 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,920 but that's exactly I think where they hope it ends up. 1250 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,920 - Putting it, yeah, like the equivalent to an ISRC code 1251 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,080 with respect to your biometrics. 1252 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,240 - Yeah. 1253 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,160 Like your voice. 1254 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,080 - Yeah, you know, I get it. 1255 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,080 I mean, when we first started getting music into the space, 1256 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,640 there was no ISRC code on the back end. 1257 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,480 - Exactly. 1258 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,360 - And you know who and I were like, all right guys, 1259 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,360 you gotta implement this. 1260 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,920 And they did. 1261 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,760 - That's good. 1262 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,920 - Yeah. 1263 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,760 - Yeah. 1264 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,360 It's the only way that we're, and when you think about it, 1265 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,360 it's like, at least in the States, 1266 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,720 we have social security numbers, right? 1267 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:37,360 So any job you get, there's some sort of taxation. 1268 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,600 So if the government can take money out of our paychecks, 1269 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,360 and we've moved to the same idea as far as being able 1270 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,440 to track royalties and royalties is so fucking complicated. 1271 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,400 Right? Like, I don't even begin to understand the fullness 1272 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,240 of it. 1273 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,440 We should also, when we're thinking about the new space of AI, 1274 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,280 that is something that we should all be pushing for. 1275 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,120 - Yeah. 1276 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,320 - Is like, any time, like we have to figure out how to do that. 1277 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,160 - Yeah. 1278 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,160 - And is it gonna be a little bit more work, 1279 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,000 but yeah, sure. 1280 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,400 But the technology already exists out there, 1281 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,720 as we're seeing, like you can come up with a Beatles song 1282 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:11,320 through AI, it already knows how to identify our biometrics. 1283 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,160 - Yeah. 1284 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,360 - So is coming up with a database that would store that, 1285 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,320 that everybody has to run that through, 1286 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,400 would not be that difficult. 1287 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,240 - Yeah. 1288 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:19,680 - I would think for somebody who's involved in tech. 1289 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,320 - Yeah, you would think, right? 1290 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,960 Well, what should take so far on the whole, 1291 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,880 you've got a bowl load of songs up on a wavelength already, 1292 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,040 and you're getting some good responses from people. 1293 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,960 Like, what's your response to value for value in wavelength 1294 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,040 and getting a little bit of a Bitcoin? 1295 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,880 - It's so new for me. 1296 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,720 - Yeah. 1297 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,560 - Like, I got really into the AI stuff, 1298 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,800 'cause I use it every single day. 1299 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,200 And so it was really exciting, and we were like, 1300 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,440 let's try it like, here's this thing called wavelength, 1301 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,800 and it's, you know, there's web three, 1302 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,960 and there's all this Bitcoin stuff, 1303 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,040 and I was like, what the hell are you talking about? 1304 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:55,880 (laughs) 1305 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,200 But I got kind of excited, 1306 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,400 and so it has been nice to see 1307 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,400 this emerging community happening over here, 1308 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,680 and the fact that there are a lot of people 1309 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,720 who are using Bitcoin, 1310 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:14,000 and to see that come through quicker. 1311 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,240 - Yeah, instantaneous. 1312 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:16,680 - Instantaneous stuff. 1313 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,680 Like, when I think about even, 1314 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,720 it kind of feels like tipping, right? 1315 00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:20,560 - Kind of, yeah. 1316 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,600 - So when people appreciate what they hear in a live show 1317 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,960 that come in, they drop some money in your tip jar. 1318 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,560 And I really appreciate that about this space, 1319 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,600 about the wavelength space, 1320 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,800 because it feels very much like that. 1321 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,920 And I think that that is the difference between 1322 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,360 like what the future is. 1323 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,120 When I imagine the future for specifically independent artists 1324 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,960 being able to accept tips like that, 1325 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:48,800 - Yeah. 1326 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,480 - That's very exciting to me. 1327 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,840 I wish that in this, you know, 1328 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,080 web two other streaming world. 1329 00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,960 - Wall-garden web two web two web, yeah. 1330 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,280 - I wish that they had thought about that 1331 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,760 when they were building their streaming sites, 1332 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,080 but they don't care, they're monies for them. 1333 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,000 And that would be too much accounting for them anyway, 1334 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,840 but-- 1335 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,280 - They're controlling all of the data, they're controlling 1336 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:18,000 who your listeners are in many respects, 1337 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,000 whereas in the RSS world and the Noster world 1338 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,080 with respect to your music, you can see it's like, 1339 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,880 oh, Chad F was like, he likes my song. 1340 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,600 And I can see his name right there. 1341 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,840 - Yeah. 1342 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:30,680 - Yeah. 1343 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,560 - And Chad just tipped me X amount and I got it. 1344 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,280 - Yeah, look, he gave me all these sets. 1345 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,720 - It's on my phone right now. 1346 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:40,760 (laughing) 1347 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,600 - Oh, that's great, honey, 1348 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,440 when do you get your check from Spotify? 1349 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,800 - Oh, I get my check in about six months. 1350 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,120 (laughing) 1351 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,320 - Yeah, exactly. 1352 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,080 - Yeah, I mean, it's been a lot, 1353 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,480 there's sort of be like, what's a sat, you know, 1354 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,040 and like every time I look at the little account thing 1355 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,880 that I have, I'm like, okay, hold on, 1356 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,160 I gotta go find another website, 1357 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,640 they can do the conversion for me, 1358 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:01,880 and I'm like, what is this? 1359 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,480 - Well, go to the Bitcoin magazine site, 1360 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,840 'cause they've got an easy converter. 1361 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,840 - Oh, that's good to know. 1362 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,240 - Yeah, yeah, so that's a good one. 1363 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,680 So, well, I'm glad that you're, 1364 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,920 that you're in there and you're starting to get some traction 1365 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,800 and you've had some really nice responses 1366 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,680 from people over on Innoster and Fountain and everything, 1367 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:18,880 so that's-- - It's been so lovely, 1368 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,600 and I'm like, I feel bad, 1369 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,160 'cause I'm so novice in that space 1370 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,880 that I haven't interacted as much as I want to. 1371 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,720 - It'll come around. 1372 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,080 - Yeah, yeah, but I-- 1373 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,160 - And you're also a Pissierden Hell, for God's sake. 1374 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,480 - Well, yes, that's, there's that. 1375 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,800 (laughing) 1376 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,800 Trying to be a bit of a damn booth. 1377 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,160 - Well, no, what do you got coming up this, 1378 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,240 what's next in the musical world of Amber Sweeney? 1379 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,160 - So, yeah. 1380 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,680 I'm starting to pick up some more gigs. 1381 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,440 I've got, I think I'm playing at the lipstick lounge 1382 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,280 here in Nashville in the 25th of May. 1383 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,120 - Cool. 1384 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,600 - And then the 10th of June, I am playing at the listening room. 1385 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,120 - I saw that, that's a Monday. 1386 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,440 I saw that on your website today, 1387 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,880 and I looked at my calendar and I'm like, damn it! 1388 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,640 - I think I got a thing that night already. 1389 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,640 - You know what, I think that that show will be streamed. 1390 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,960 - Oh, nice. 1391 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,240 - It will live streamed, yeah. 1392 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:14,640 - And tell everybody about the listening room, 1393 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,960 'cause you, that song, "Suffer Jets", right? 1394 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:17,800 - "Suffer Jets", yeah. 1395 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:18,640 - That'll be a good gig. 1396 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:19,480 - Yeah. 1397 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,760 I do really enjoy playing the song, "Suffer Jets". 1398 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,040 So that's the thing that started like 10 years ago, 1399 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,640 here in Nashville by this guy, Todd Cassidy. 1400 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,720 - Yeah. 1401 00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:31,840 - I mean, he was, he was getting frustrated at the, 1402 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,680 the lack of visibility or the lack of places for female, 1403 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,680 specifically female country artists to play in this town. 1404 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,520 - Yeah. 1405 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,160 - A lot has changed in the last 10 years, 1406 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,520 but he's been consistent at every Monday. 1407 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,120 There is a brand new group of female artists 1408 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,360 that take the stage, and it's all songwriters, 1409 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,720 and they share their songs, 1410 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:57,040 and they've had, in the past, they've had artists like, 1411 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,160 Ashly McBride and Kelsey Bellarini and Lany Wilson, 1412 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,320 who've all been a song suffigate at one point in their career. 1413 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,160 - Yeah. 1414 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,440 - And so it's really fun. 1415 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,000 One, it's fun to be on a stage full of women, 1416 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,320 in such a male dominated space, 1417 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:20,000 but it's also, I do enjoy listening to "Rumza Cool" Venue. 1418 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,840 - It is a really cool space. 1419 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,680 - Venue. 1420 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,600 Nashville's so funny with their venues too. 1421 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,120 Like you get this idea that like, 1422 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,440 all of these venues are like, 1423 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,440 Oak columns and neon signs and velvet ropes, 1424 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:40,200 and then you could be driving by an industrial district 1425 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,200 and go, "Oh my God, that's the canary." 1426 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,280 Or that's final lounge, or like, 1427 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,000 you have no, like there's so many venues around. 1428 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:47,840 - Yeah. 1429 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,440 - And then once you get inside, you're like, "Woo!" 1430 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,520 - Oh yeah. - Yeah. 1431 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,360 - Yeah, there's-- 1432 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,280 - Listening rooms like that. 1433 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,720 - And it's so fun too, because anytime people come to town 1434 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:57,760 and they're like, "Where do we go?" 1435 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,000 I'm like, I always give them like, the listening room, 1436 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,000 city winery, I'll give them a suggestion. 1437 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,840 Like you can go down to Broadway if you want. 1438 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,640 (laughing) 1439 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,840 - Good luck. 1440 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,640 - I will not go with you. 1441 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,400 - Yeah, Broadway is not really, 1442 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,240 I mean, Broadway is fun for the tourists. 1443 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,560 I get it, but like if you want Nashville, Nashville, 1444 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,400 it's-- - Yeah, you gotta get it. 1445 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,640 - It's really not Broadway. 1446 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,160 - Yeah, not at all. 1447 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,720 - But there's great, I mean you could throw a stick 1448 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,680 and there's great music here. 1449 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,520 - Yeah. 1450 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,360 - Yeah. 1451 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,960 - Throw a rock and it hits two guitar players. 1452 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:33,800 (laughing) 1453 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,320 - Well, before it hits the ground. 1454 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,560 - Exactly, yeah, exactly. 1455 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,240 - Well thank you very much for coming on. 1456 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,640 Coming in, being the first in studio. 1457 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:44,480 - Yeah, it's me. 1458 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,320 - It's me, having me. 1459 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,160 - Yeah. 1460 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,800 - We're gonna wrap it up with believing in love, right? 1461 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:49,640 - Yes. 1462 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:50,480 - Okay. 1463 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,680 - Off of a, it was, 1464 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,880 EPI put out in 2017, but I love, 1465 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,840 it's just such a big, beautiful song. 1466 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,720 And everybody that played on it, 1467 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,440 I just adore them. 1468 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,440 - Well, every time I hear your stuff, 1469 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680 I'm always like, all right, what's the keyboard player doing? 1470 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,960 'Cause whoever you've got playing keys on your records 1471 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,040 is killing it, so. 1472 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,280 - I got a few guys. 1473 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,280 A believing in love. 1474 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,760 Oh my goodness. 1475 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,080 You have to all send you the credits. 1476 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:18,920 (laughing) 1477 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,600 I think, I know I had, 1478 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,120 yeah, I'll have to send you the credits. 1479 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,520 He played with, like, he did some stuff with like, 1480 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,600 Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, but he's got his own projects 1481 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,720 and like, he's- 1482 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,200 - You see back in PDX? 1483 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,040 - In Seattle. 1484 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:33,880 - Oh, is it, is it? 1485 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:34,720 - I actually, the whole record, 1486 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,880 the believing in love EPI did up in Seattle 1487 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,720 at Land of Bridge Studio. 1488 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:38,560 - Did you really? 1489 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:39,560 Oh, that's a great studio. 1490 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:40,400 - I love that place. 1491 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,600 Yeah, I'm really good friends with all the owners. 1492 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,760 - Nice. 1493 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,160 Well, we need to talk offline, 1494 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,640 'cause with, every time we sit down and talk, 1495 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,080 we always find out that there's more people 1496 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,920 that we know. 1497 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,760 - Oh, absolutely. 1498 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,760 Yeah. 1499 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,600 - So. 1500 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,760 Anyways, Amber, thank you so much. 1501 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,600 - Thank you so much. 1502 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,880 - Yeah, good to see you. 1503 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:55,720 - Thank you. 1504 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,640 - And this is believing in love on the Phantom Power artist. 1505 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:00,640 Power. 1506 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,280 ♪ I'm giving you the rest of my love ♪ 1507 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,880 ♪ I'm giving you the rest of my love ♪ 1508 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,280 ♪ I'm giving you the rest of my love ♪ 1509 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:16,080 ♪ I believe ♪ 1510 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,080 ♪ I made the coffee strong today ♪ 1511 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,880 ♪ I did a sleep well last night ♪ 1512 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:35,560 ♪ Just wondering how I pushed you away ♪ 1513 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:41,160 ♪ And what was it who was the make this all okay? ♪ 1514 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:46,320 ♪ Maybe I'm trying ♪ 1515 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,160 ♪ I'm trying ♪ 1516 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,120 ♪ I'm trying ♪ 1517 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:55,120 ♪ To show you my love and give you a smile ♪ 1518 00:59:55,120 --> 01:00:01,560 ♪ I'm gonna spend the rest of my life ♪ 1519 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,680 ♪ With you by my side ♪ 1520 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,680 ♪ I'm leaving in the love that's in our eyes ♪ 1521 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,160 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1522 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,280 ♪ Hey ♪ 1523 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:28,840 ♪ I believe ♪ 1524 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,840 ♪ I'm traded at Shiz for beauty before ♪ 1525 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:40,680 ♪ And gained a little world with my soul ♪ 1526 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,680 ♪ But baby, I'm giving you everything ♪ 1527 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,680 ♪ I made my way on this narrow street ♪ 1528 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:54,160 ♪ But I never meant to go in a glow ♪ 1529 01:00:54,160 --> 01:01:00,800 ♪ Just baby, I'm trying ♪ 1530 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,000 ♪ I'm trying ♪ 1531 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:08,000 ♪ To show you my love and give you a smile ♪ 1532 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,280 ♪ I'm gonna spend the rest of my life ♪ 1533 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,280 ♪ With you by my side ♪ 1534 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:23,280 ♪ I'm leaving in the love that's in our eyes ♪ 1535 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,000 ♪ Baby, I'm trying ♪ 1536 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,520 ♪ I'm trying ♪ 1537 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,520 ♪ I'm trying ♪ 1538 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,040 ♪ I'm trying ♪ 1539 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,160 ♪ To show you my love ♪ 1540 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,000 ♪ I'm trying ♪ 1541 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,120 ♪ I'm gonna give you a smile ♪ 1542 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,400 ♪ I'm gonna spend the rest of my life ♪ 1543 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,400 ♪ With you by my side ♪ 1544 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,400 ♪ I'm leaving in the love that's in our eyes ♪ 1545 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:58,560 ♪ Yeah, I'm leaving in the love that's in our minds ♪ 1546 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:04,640 ♪ Oh, I'm leaving in this love ♪ 1547 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,520 ♪ That's so divine ♪ 1548 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,520 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1549 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:22,960 ♪ I believe ♪ 1550 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,440 ♪ So am I ♪ 1551 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,440 ♪ Oh ♪ 1552 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,440 ♪ Oh ♪ 1553 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,440 ♪ Oh ♪ 1554 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,020 (gentle music) 1555 01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:42,600 (gentle music) 1556 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,020 (gentle music) 1557 01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:48,600 (gentle music)