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Hey everybody, welcome back.
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Welcome back to Pantom Power Music. This is the artist hour.
We've got a cool one lined up for you guys tonight.
We've got two artists, Anzli Castello and just Loud.
And they are going to be sharing the stage.
Up in Minneapolis on the 21st of December at First Avenue
in what is going to be the first noster streamed and RSS streamed live concert coming up.
It's going to be really cool. There's a lot of people working behind the scenes at it.
So what that means is for those of you guys who are in the noster world and love zap.stream
etc. You're going to be able to see the show there and boost some sats.
But you're also going to be able to see it on such things as Curio Cast or Pod fans,
Podcast Guru, Podverse. I believe fountain as well.
And again, send some sats.
So this is going to be a live streamed concert with these two Bitcoin artists coming up at the end of December.
And I thought it'd be fun to get them together to talk about their music as well as talk about Bitcoin.
It's a really cool interview. One of the most striking things about it is just Loud used to be on a major label.
And he has over 10 million streams on Spotify. And he has made $0.0.
And then you've got Anzli Castello who joined in the Bitcoin world in July. And she's made about $1,500.
$1,500 in the Bitcoin world versus 10 million streams on Spotify and nothing.
And just Loud has recently jumped into the Bitcoin world, the RSS world, the noster world.
And it's looking to make some headway.
So really excited to have him on board, really excited that these two are going to be sharing the bill.
And we're going to be talking about all of that. But before we do, let's check out a song from Big Loud called "Schrooms" and then we'll get to the interview.
Let's check it out.
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I think any services as an artist that keeps going
to keep pushing tonight, something greater,
enough you had you know.
- That's a great opportunity to bring Ainsley back in
on this first of all, Ainsley.
Thank you for sitting along and listening to that
while my jaw was on the floor for the last 10 to 10.
- Oh my God, you're not alone.
So was mine.
I've, for anyone listening,
we're all, like we're on all in a little Zoom
Google Meet call.
I've just been muted the whole time,
but I'm just like, what?
I mean, I just want to say before like you asked me
some questions.
I like, just loud, I massively respected you from like
the first note that I heard when I like clicked
on your Spotify profile.
Now hearing your story like that has increased 10 fold.
Like what?
Just, yeah, like you're such an inspiration, such an artist
and like, I am, God, I'm so excited to share
at the stage with you seriously.
- Well, yeah, it'll, it'll be a fun show to see how you got this.
See how your two styles mix up.
Ainsley, talk about, 'cause you've been on Wabelake now
for a couple months, right?
And just loud's been on there for about a month.
What, like when you hear about what he was just saying
with respect to value from value and everything,
like what's your experience?
Like how do you respond to that?
And the response that you've gotten from Wabelake?
- Yeah, I mean, Wabelake is just so very cool
and very revolutionary.
So like very long story short,
'cause I know that we've got some other things to talk about,
but so I got on the Wabelake and July or August of this year.
It's just stupid, crazy, funny story.
So my dad's a bit of a Bitcoin, like crypto enthusiast
and who would have thought that there's a place
in Nashville called Bitcoin Park?
I didn't honestly know that,
but one week my dad was down there at some lightning summit,
I think it was and there was this demo going on
of a company called Wabelake.
And so my dad being my dad makes friends
like everywhere he goes and he met Sam Means
who was the owner and the creator of Wabelake.
And so one day after my mom and I,
we went in and we saw the demo,
we were kinda just like, you know what, this is cool.
Like I've got nothing to lose.
So we kinda just put our music,
we all, we put my music up
and it just kind of exploded in this new
kind of Bitcoin Web 3 world and it's just really cool.
Are you experiencing that value from value vibe
that just loud is talking about?
I mean like the interaction from the fans,
from the Bitcoin, from the psychoshis, I guess.
- Absolutely. - Come straight to you.
- Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I think the really, really cool thing
about Wabelake and this value for value community
is that listeners know exactly where their money is going.
Their money is going directly to the artists who,
they're listening to instead of like if,
one of the things that I've kind of learned to talk about
in this kind of whole new experience is that,
if you're a listener, if you're just a fan
and you're listening on Spotify or Apple Music
and you love a song, there's no direct way to pay that artist
to show them how much you appreciate them,
how much you love that song, you pay Spotify,
which then goes through a million gatekeepers
and that however much money a month subscription gets
diluted down even further and so then that all comes back
to the artists like a year later in pennies
and so that's absolutely not the case with Wabelake
and the podcasting to the auto world.
Like there is a huge community of people here who believe
that artists should be paid and should be able to make a living
off of the art that they are creating
and that they are giving to the world for basically free.
That's what we've been doing forever
and I'm sure, Just Cloud, like you probably had moments
like that where you felt like just on Spotify or Apple Music
or in the traditional music industry,
it feels like you're giving away your music for free
and you're not really seeing anything back and so.
There is really a huge community here who believes
in uplifting artists and paying them with the worth.
- Yeah, Just Cloud, you had 10 million
or you've had 10 million streams on electrified, right?
- 10 million.
Now the conventional wisdom or what has heard around Nashville
is that it would be, like anywhere from 1500
to $3,000 per million.
How much, if you don't want to answer this question,
I absolutely respect it.
And I know that, but how much revenue
did you see from 10 million streams?
- What revenue?
- There's your answer.
Yeah. - Yeah.
- Good million stream, what revenue?
- You got nothing.
- Nothing?
- Yeah.
- And the only thing that you get is the,
I guess the false fifth self, oh my God, I got to million streams
and hey, I'm gonna pay no more, nothing, you know?
- Yeah.
- So, yeah.
- Well, and it's interesting we're having this discussion
on the day that everybody starts putting out
their Spotify stats, right?
Like, I don't know if you started to see it in email
and on the socials today, but, you know,
just about every independent artist that is trying
to make it up in the world right now is,
like, this year I had 20 million streams and blah, blah, blah, blah,
800 listeners and 45 countries and three sons.
(laughing)
And what goes through the back of my mind is,
okay, great, you had congrats,
'cause that's how hard to get 10 million streams,
5 million streams, 20 million streams.
- It's a huge accomplishment.
- Yeah.
But nothing from nothing is nothing.
You know?
- Absolutely.
- And, you know, if those guys, you know,
and what excites me about this
and what I've been talking about it on my podcasts,
and when I listen to Adam Curry,
it aims like maybe you could talk about this a little bit,
'cause I think you've had more interaction with him,
but like if all of that energy was translated over
into the podcasting world, into the RSS world,
where we're starting to see all these music broadcasts pop up.
And the guys from the podcasting 2.0 index
have been, you know, putting together the,
not only the technology to do this,
but the pushes to get these songs out there
so that everybody knows, oh, who's this,
who's this dude just loud that dropped this song "True"
and what's this latest song from "Ansley," right?
Like, if it wasn't, I mean,
getting it in the big coin space is one thing,
but if it wasn't for Adam Curry and podcasting,
Ainsley, you probably, like, would you have had the same success?
Would you have been getting the same amount of saps in?
- Oh my gosh, if it weren't for Adam
and everyone on the podcasting 2.0 index,
2.0 network, I don't think I, like, would have had,
anywhere near the same reaction as I've had in this world.
You know, Adam, he's really one of those people
who's leading the charge in this, in this new space.
- Yeah.
- And this, this RSS tech really allows, like,
the decentralized management of contact
to go directly to the creator
through the use of digital currency, which is Bitcoin,
but besides just uploading my music onto Wave Lake,
because I've been able to upload it
to all of these other platforms, like podverse and pod bins,
that's allowed me to get introduced to,
again, this community of people who really believe
that artists should be paid for the work that they produce.
But, no, my gosh, like, if it weren't for Adam
and all these other guys who are really so passionate
about this technology and passionate that artists
should be able to make a living,
like, I don't think I would have had anywhere near
the same response that I'd got.
And one thing that I thought was interesting,
just to, like, backtrack for a second,
when we were talking about how big an accomplishment it is
to get 10 million streams, it is.
It's a huge accomplishment.
But the one thing that, like, kind of struck my mind
when we were talking about that was,
there's almost a little bit of, like,
a double standard in the music industry,
when something like that happened to you reach a milestone,
like that, right?
Where it's like, oh, the industry expects you to be happy
and excited about, oh, like, I've reached this big milestone,
but at the same time, like, you're getting screwed over
by not seeing any of that revenue, you're not
being able to live off of that big accomplishment,
yet, you're still feeling this pressure to be happy.
And, oh, my gosh, I'm so grateful for this,
and at least I've gotten this thing, like, that was just,
that double standard, kind of, just popped out to me
as Jesslotte, I was listening to your story.
So, yeah.
- Yeah.
I'm really, I mean,
you've had, we've blogged about you over here in the past,
and you've obviously kind of, you know,
probably better term, you've kind of been the darling
of the Bitcoin music 2.0 RSS world,
but I do want to call it.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly this thing grows.
I mean, the movement needs quality artists,
which is one of the reasons why I'm thrilled
that Jesslotte is in there.
Dude, I can't wait for you to start dropping
your most recent, you know, the next pieces
of your catalog in there, and for people to get it.
- It's coming.
- Good.
I love it, Max.
- Max coming.
I love it.
- Yeah.
- Are the next songs that are coming up,
are they as heavy as shrooms, or what are they,
what are you going to get musically next?
What journey are you going to take us on, sir?
- I will tell you that I wrote a song,
finishing up a drum now, it's called Prisoner of Love,
and let's just say,
Rebel Yellow, Billy Idol, Modern Day Version,
I'm in that band at the moment,
and I'll have a song called Moon Child that I wrote
a few years ago, and I finally finished nicknick
about to put that out as well.
I have 9,000 songs, so it's gonna be fun.
- Oh my god.
- Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
- 9,000?
- 9,000.
- I can't even handle that.
Oh my god.
- Yes.
- Yeah.
So, no matter what, I can honestly just upload
and every day, I think me and my business partner,
who is Adam?
It's something good about the name Adam.
It's Adam's personal Adam as well.
It's, yeah, it's like we get the math,
and it's like I think really released a song
just every day for the rest of my life,
and my life's gonna take life, and yeah.
(laughing)
And then some, like when you said 9,000 songs immediately,
I thought of Prince's discography,
and how like he can, I don't remember what the statistic was,
but I saw some more that like he can, his,
oh, what's the word I'm looking for?
He can release like another album for the rest of,
like another album a year for like another hundred years,
because he wrote that much music.
That's just so wild to me.
Wow.
- Yeah, I've heard the same thing.
You know, I don't even think I've read 9,000 pages
in my entire life.
So for you to have written 9,000 songs.
Damn.
- Yeah.
- Do you sleep?
(laughing)
- You know, in these, I can tell you my trick,
I don't watch TV, and if I do watch TV,
it like I love loopy and crollight bone.
So I'm not like, I don't have hobby,
like, you know, because of my upbringing,
we were super shell-sleeved.
So I do the same thing every day,
and melodies of me and we were talking about this earlier,
is like a blessing and a curse,
because no matter what anyone said,
I start writing a song in my head when people are talking,
and like, or if I read something,
or melodies come out of nowhere,
and it's not like, and I'm grateful for the gift,
but it can be challenging, especially if I'm gonna
relate to it, because I can really take your music,
and I'm gonna always write about it.
So that's my only hobby, and that's the only thing
that I really do, is just like music and produce music all day.
Like, in the time I wake up, time I go to sleep.
- Yeah. - Yes, I do.
- Well, Ainsley, what's, what's,
I mean, he's got a couple songs coming out.
What's next coming up for you?
- Yeah, I mean, I've been in a very,
like, just loud state of living this year.
Since the beginning of this year, all I've been doing is just,
in the studio, writing, writing, writing, you know,
this is the first year that I haven't released anything,
which has been a little scary,
but, you know, I kinda had to let my,
my life catch up to my writing in some way.
So when January of this year, I was like,
you know what, I need to take a step back.
I need to just write some music that I really love,
that I'm really proud of.
And I was also finishing my degree this year.
I graduated from Berkeley College of Music in May.
- Nice.
- Thank you.
But, yeah, so I've just been writing a lot of stuff
and I'm really excited about this year.
And so, now it's just kind of getting ready for this show
that just loudened my half and less than a month, baby,
which I'm so excited about.
- Baby.
- Yeah, it's gonna be so awesome.
And then getting ready for releasing all these songs next year
and kind of learning how to live in tandem
with this new world and also keeping up
with the traditional music industry too.
'Cause in some ways, you know, like, we can,
we can bag on as much as we want,
but we're all kind of beholden to it.
So it's been a little bit of a journey learning
how to walk in both worlds at the same time.
- Yeah, well, I'll tell you, like,
you guys really have a great opportunity
at your feet with Bitcoin and with all these different
podcasting apps that are out there.
I mean, in all the different ways that you can monetize your music.
Now, I mean, I'm in my 50s.
I'm an older guy, but, you know, 30 years ago,
when I was paying away in LA, you know,
that we had the gatekeepers at the recording studios
and the record companies that they're really pre-hibiting,
you know, independence from really getting off the ground
and going somewhere, but you guys,
I mean, it's a blessing and a curse, you know,
I've talked about this on some of my podcasts.
There's no barrier to entry into the industry.
So somebody who only knows three chords
and has a shitty voice, you know,
can release songs all day long on Spotify
and you can't stop them, right?
I mean, that's, you know, but then,
but then again, the beauty of it is,
okay, they're still releasing art, you know,
it's nice to be able to do things independently.
It's nice to not have the gatekeepers,
especially when the gatekeepers come with
just horrible intentions, misaligned political motives,
bad hearts, you know, as we have heard tonight
from just loud story with respect to that label, President.
But you guys have a unique opportunity in front of you
with websites like WaveLankard or Ellen Beads
or in all these, all the different podcasting apps,
CurioCaster, PodFans, PodFanGuru, PodVers,
aside from just the staples that everybody goes to,
the app and the apples and the Spotify,
which do not compensate, not only artists,
but podcasters as well in the same fashion.
So you guys really have a unique opportunity
at your feet with the industry.
And on top of the fact that both of you,
I mean, you're pretty damn good songwriters too.
So kudos to both of you guys.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
- Yeah, so how did this joint gig come about?
Like did your respective managers make this happen
or would you guys reach out behind
and find each other on the scenes on social media
and decided to try and take over many applets for a night?
How did this whole thing come about?
- Well, from my understanding,
so someone who we met in this whole new world,
his name is Mike Kylene, he's the CFO at First Avenue.
And my manager and I, we started talking to him a little bit
and then he was the kind of the one
who introduced this idea of what if we do a Bitcoin meetup night
at First Avenue and he, when I was talking to him,
he was like, hey, I know this other really cool artist,
just loud.
I think you guys would be like,
you guys would be really cool on a bill together.
And so since then, that was the idea
just kind of came out a couple of months ago.
And so ever since then, we've kind of just been,
we've been in talks, we've been both kind of planning
and plotting and scheming our own sets.
And it's funny because today is actually the first time
that Jess loud and I have actually physically been able
to talk to each other.
So it's really exciting.
- Right, but it feels like I've been only a long time
already as we, so.
- Absolutely, you're also Jess loud.
We've been around the block a little bit.
- Exactly, exactly.
Shout out for Mike though, because Mike is,
Mike did introduce me, sir, her music and I'm like,
oh yeah, it's gonna be a hell of a show.
It's gonna be a hell of a show.
And I'm honored that I'm gonna be sharing stages with you.
- Oh my gosh, likewise, thank you so much.
Yeah, Mike, you're the MVP.
We love you.
We're so excited.
- Hey, we love you.
(laughs)
- Yeah, this is, yeah, Mike's really known
in the Bitcoin community and I know he's been pushing
for something like this.
And I know that this is gonna be,
like you guys are working on the live stream of this as well, right?
Like I know that, I heard the first avenue
was gonna be live streaming this so that people can send in
Bitcoin while you guys are playing your set, is that correct?
- Yeah, absolutely.
So if I could, if I could kind of just like put in
a few little tiny little bits of information here.
So on December 20th and 21st,
there are gonna be two shows that we're gonna be live streaming
on both Noster and the RSS to broadcast the shows
and these are gonna allow fans to send money during the show
instantaneously from all over the world with Sats and Bitcoin.
So just real quick, fans need, fans are gonna need
a specific app to do this.
For Noster, you'll need some special links
which you can find in the days leading up to the show
on my website at ainsleecostelo.com or on my Twitter
AinsleeMusic07.
And for RSS, you'll need a modern podcast app
that also allows video.
Right now I think there are three or so,
so go grab one of these apps, which are podfans.fmpodcastgoo.io
or podverse.fm.
So, and if you head on over to me.
- You're okay, I'm very grateful.
- So if you head on over to my website,
like you'll have all of the links there,
all of the resources that you need to support me
and just loud and the other artists who are gonna be performing
on both of these nights.
And just one other quick little thing,
you'll also wanna get yourself a teeny tiny little bit
of Bitcoin.
I promise it'll be helpful and it will be painful.
Just grab Cash App and sign up right there on the app.
You can buy your first bit of Bitcoin in minutes
and then out of the show, you can zap me
just loud onNoster within the podcast apps.
So it's gonna be really cool.
These are, to my understanding,
some of the first value for value
and lightning enabled music events.
So I think they're gonna be so, so exciting.
- Yeah, I think it's the first,
what, I mean, I know some guys have done
some lightning enabled live streams before,
but I think what's unique about this one is that it's going
to be Noster and RSS at the same time.
Which we could have for all of you propeller heads
that are listening to tonight's broadcast.
You guys know as well as I do that,
we could have a whole show on Noster versus RSS.
Maybe we should have a Cage match show
on Noster versus RSS.
That'd be fun.
There's probably like two guys who are laughing
at that comment right now.
And you guys, my guests, Ainsley and just loud,
you're like, what the hell did I do?
Wow, well, you guys, thank you guys both for joining us.
Again, I apologize for the technical delays
at the start to the listeners out there.
This whole thing got delayed by about 20 minutes
because AT&T and their fabulous internet service,
decided to take a dump right before our schedule
start time tonight.
So my apologies.
I appreciate you both for waiting around while I was getting
that done just loud.
You got anything else you want to throw out there
before us, anything else you want to say?
The only thing I got to say is I'm going to be sitting
at stage with my colleague and my friend, Oon Glee,
are we going to fill it and just be prepared
because I think I need to change my name to just louder,
because I'm probably going to be a little bit louder
the former owner.
It'll be my first show back, and I'm super excited about it.
Awesome.
Really excited to see--
Really excited to see it.
And I thank you both for joining us,
and I'm excited to see what you guys are doing
in the Bitcoin space and bringing in other artists.
And if you guys know any other artists, independent artists
that are interested in joining, kick them over our way.
We can direct them in the right way to Wablaik
or some other great sites out there.
So we started the show with Shrooms.
That was the song everybody heard before the interview.
And we're going to end the show with Cherry on Top.
So I think it'll take us out with Cherry on Top
and just loud and angely thanks again.
I hope to catch the show and hope to speak with you again soon.
Aint you for having us.
Thank you guys so much.
Jay, I can't wait to meet you in real life.
Hey, I'll see you soon, girl.
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I'm not as dense as you think I am.
I know that you didn't know that I knew about you.
You're a little bit.
But you had to go and tell everyone about my tension
that you hadn't won.
But a better wonder, and I'll make you a little night,
dozen hurt my back like you thought it would.
Well thankfully, you did the hard part for me.
And I just think it's good.
You put the cheer yourself for the last you made,
but I'll leave it out for long.
I won't see you alone.
I won't give you the reaction that you want.
See you, Cherry on top.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
Youth.
Oh, to be young again and touring and playing shows.
Wouldn't that be nice?
Hey, thanks to Ainsley and Just Loud for jumping on board.
Now let me go over some specifics here.
So Ainsley is playing the 20th and the 21st.
She's at, on the 20th, she's at Oshana Sea distillery, I think it is.
And then the 21st she and Just Loud are at First Avenue
in Minneapolis and Just Loud is the headliner.
I don't know if he's playing another show in town that night or not.
Either way, go to Just Loud's social media
or Ainsley Castello's social media
to check out ticket information and things of that nature.
One of the, like, the first Avenue event
is ticketed in the event with Ainsley's doing on the 20th
is a Canar SvP type of thing.
It's at a Bitcoin meetup in Minneapolis.
And other than that, thank you all very much for listening.
Don't forget to send some sats, scroll back.
We're splitting this episode with those two artists
so that they can get the bulk of the sats, right?
Also big thank you to our host, RSS Blue,
and Mr. Davidoz, who is just awesome.
Thank you, sir, for all of your help and all of this.
And thanks to the folks at First Avenue and Mike,
who are putting together the show.
And everybody in the podcasting 2.0 RSS world
that have made our lives hell of a lot more interesting
in the last couple of months.
So thanks y'all.
Take it easy.
Don't forget to smile for the mug shot.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
(mellow music)
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