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Oh yeah, welcome back everybody. This is Phantom Power. This is the Phantom Power Artist Hour.

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Thank you so much for joining us. This is a value cast. You guys remember what a value cast is?

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It's better than a podcast because you the listener are using a modern podcasting 2.0 app like

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podverse, fountain, periocaster, true fans, etc. And if you like what you hear in the spirit of

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value for value, you are sending Satoshi's to the artists who you want to support. And if you

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like this show, I would love to have your support. Send to me some Satoshi's. Seriously, value for

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value. If you guys like this show, I would greatly appreciate it. So on the Phantom Power Artist Hour,

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we review musicians and bands who are in the Bitcoin space, artists who have put their music up and

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are getting paid in Bitcoin and Satoshi's. And today we are going to be talking with Brandon Welch.

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Brandon is the lead singer and guitar player for just a kick ass, Stoner Rock, Grunge Band, from North

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Carolina. The name of the band is Iroh. And we have a great conversation about touring, about

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how you feel as a musician when you stop touring. We talk about gear, we talk about PV amps,

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we talk about terrible load-ins. Like if you're a musician, this is a good show for you. And if you're

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not a musician, I hope you learn a little bit about what it's like to be out on the road and

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tracking songs and all that kind of fun stuff. I really enjoyed this conversation with Brandon.

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We're going to start off the show with one of my favorite songs of theirs. It's called The Fever.

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And this is off of an EP, a conceptual EP that they put out. The EP is called They Ride. But let's

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start off with the song called The Fever and then we will bring Brandon on for the call. Cool.

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Here we go.

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Twisting starts and I can hear them now. I've been hearing that and been

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chasing all the luck that we feel.

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I run in place I can't get you, but people break their own four-horse. I run in place I can't get you.

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You're afraid of me, you're afraid of me. I run in place I can't get you.

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I run like you, you're a coward. I run in place I can't get you.

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Lost my friends, and I lost them.

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I run in place I can't get you. I run in place I can't get you.

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I run in place I can't get you.

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You're afraid of me. I run in place I can't get you.

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All the plans are man, all the coming, coming undone. The world's upside of feet are bad.

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Come and meet you, you're the world's best friend, come and meet you.

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I run in place I can't get you.

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All the plans are man, all the coming undone.

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I run in place I can't get you.

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I run in place I can't get you.

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You're afraid of me. I run in place I can't get you.

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All the plans are man, all the coming, coming undone.

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I run in place I can't get you.

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All the plans are man, all the coming, coming undone.

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There he is.

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Hey.

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Hey man, how are you?

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How are you doing?

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I'm good brother.

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Thank you so much for doing this.

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Yeah, thank you for thanks for asking.

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Yeah man.

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Yeah, I absolutely, absolutely love your stuff.

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I'm thrilled that you guys are in the valueverse and putting your songs up there on wayblk and

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getting some Bitcoin.

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I think it's fantastic man.

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I'm just blown away by the production and the riffs and the songs and everything.

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Thanks.

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You got a sweet room right there.

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Oh thanks, dude.

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Yeah, you got a couple of guitarist sitting there.

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That's awesome.

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Too bad I'm not going to use the video for the interview.

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But yeah, I got to see it's a Gretz Taylor, breed love, breed love, Alvarez, Stratt, national

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and then my fender is on my base is all the way in the back.

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Now that Gretz is that a white falcon or you see it?

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Yeah, I think it's sweet man.

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It's actually my daughters.

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I think it's sweet.

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The mold band, far less, the last record we recorded, we used a very similar looking

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grash for some of the recording.

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Yeah, this things are so sweet.

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Oh man, yeah, I love it.

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She loves it too and it sounds great.

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Sounds great through a vox, man.

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Is that an AC30, AC15?

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Yes, there.

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It's a 15, yeah.

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It's a 15.

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I just, I didn't, you know, I am in no way.

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Like I'm a decent rhythm player, but I am not a fucking Nashville chicken picker.

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Dude, like I can, so it needs like with the Iro stuff, you know, with the EP, like I wrote

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all the songs.

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But I'm a riff and rhythm guy.

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Like I had that bring Billy in if there were going to be any leads like at all, you know

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what I mean?

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That's just not, yeah, it's just not me as a player.

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You're talking about Billy steel, right?

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Cool.

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Well, I, you know, I'm probably just going to use the audio from right from the very beginning.

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So we're going to, we're going to jump right in.

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This is a fan of power artist hour.

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I'm really excited to have Brandon Welch on the line from Iro.

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Now you got, where are you?

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You're in like Asheville, Virginia, North Carolina.

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So I've been Winston Salem.

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I'm in Winston, Salem with Carolina and all the other dudes are in Virginia where

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I'm originally from.

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So I mean, they're like an hour or 15 minutes from here, you know?

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But the band on the EP, it's, it's me and Billy who's in Virginia, Ray, who is in Portland,

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was the drummer on the EP.

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And my friend Steve Martin lives in Florida.

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He played bass on the EP.

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So it's, it's, it's wild.

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Like when I started working on the, when I for it, it's like 2020.

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And I was like, it had played in a band in a few years and kind of got this idea for an

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EP during the pandemic because, you know, something kind of from my perspective of just seeing

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how everybody was kind of losing their minds and stuff.

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And I was like, Oh, what if, what if I hooked the psyche and kind of turned it into like

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a weird like sci-fi story?

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So, you know, to start working on the songs, started kind of hashing them out with this, this

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guy Joe, he lives across the street.

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He was a drummer.

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And once I had about three songs done, I was like, man, I got to get a lead player in on this,

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you know?

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And Billy was, Billy was like the first person on my mind because I've been wanting to

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work with him for a few years and he can sing really well and he's a great guitar player.

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About him and then, you know, we got to working it out and then when it came time to record,

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you know, my buddy across the street was on tour because he's a sound guy for like some

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big like country acts.

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And he was on the phone with my buddy, Rayland.

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Ray was a drummer in my old band from like back in the day.

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Far left, right?

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Right.

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And he was the original drummer for far less.

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He was on, he was in the band for like six, seven years, something like that.

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And he was like, man, like, I really like what you guys are doing.

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I'll fly out there and track drums and I was like, okay, because Ray is one of my favorite

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drummers on the planet, like period.

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He's just a phenomenal dude.

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And so, you know, and ask my buddy Steve, because Steve Martin in Florida, he played bass

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in this band hand to hand that far less used to tour with.

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And we kind of always wanted to do something together, you know?

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I mean, and so it all came together in like the most perfect way possible.

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Like all the right dudes, you know, like it just lined up.

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But then once it was done, I was like, man, I kind of like, I just want to go sing these

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songs.

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Like, how am I going to do that with you and Florida and you and Portland?

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So Billy was like, hey, the rhythm section from his other band was like, they loved

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a joint.

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So that's, so now like we've got a live band.

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We've recorded a couple songs with the live band now that will probably release in a

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couple months or so.

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So is that your vocals on these songs or on they ride and exile and fever?

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Is that you?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I do like the lead vocals and Billy handles a lot of the harmonies and stuff.

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Why do I know Steve, Steve Martin?

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I mean, I know we're talking about the bass player and not the banjo player, but like what

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part of what was noticed I didn't say comedian.

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What part of Florida is he in?

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He's in Orlando.

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Why do I know that name?

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I don't know.

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I mean, he was in a band called Hand to Hand.

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It was like a hardcore band.

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We used to play shows with a lot back in the day.

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But I think I can't think of another band that, you know, you would recognize him.

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Well, tell me, you got guys coming in from all over the Eastern seaboard track and stuff.

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You guys are probably bouncing files back and forth to each other in like pro tools, right?

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Well, man, with Steve, yeah, what's funny though is after about getting three songs done

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and with Joey across the street being too busy, Billy and I were literally, we had like

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finn I was writing the songs with no drummer and I go over to Billy's house and I'd be like,

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hey man, I got the song like it needs some leads and stuff and he has this this pedal.

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It's like a drum buddy or something like that.

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It's like the most basic like, you know, so we were writing songs with that when Ray when

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Ray flew out, we had two days before we went into the studio and we literally hashed all

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those songs out right here in the house in two days before we went to studio.

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And that's just the testimony to just how good Rayland is.

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I mean, the dude, he had a notepad, you know, right next to a strong kid.

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We worked through the song.

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He'd make notes.

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The next time we played the song would be like perfect.

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Love, love dudes like that.

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Love me too.

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You know, I mean, just to be able to walk into a session or walk into a gig with somebody

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and, you know, I mean, over here in Nashville, it's so much like, you know, based on number

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systems and, you know, and somebody, you know, like what I hear a lot, you're like, what,

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you know, I've never played this song.

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What is it?

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And like the bass player or piano player goes 1465 on the intro.

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It's about 80 BPM.

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Think of Dottie West and you're like, okay.

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We know.

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And they can see it.

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And you're like, what the hell, man?

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And I have to surround myself with people like that because I'm not good like that.

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But like I've played music my whole life, but it's like I cheated if that makes sense.

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Like I taught myself out of play guitar, taught myself out of seeing, but I did it without

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actually learning anything.

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Like I, you know what I mean?

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Like, yeah, I know the chords on playing and stuff like that.

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But when it comes to like the Nashville stuff, man, I would be so lost.

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I would be so lost.

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Okay.

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So that's a good segue.

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Let's go all the way back to because one of the things I love to ask people when they

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went when I get them on the fan of power artist hour is like, tell me about your first song.

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Like I don't care if it's if it was like about the girl on the playground or like your dog

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or like and I'm sure it was bad.

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No offense because everybody's first song stocked, right?

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Like, I'm about your first song.

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What got you into this?

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The first like the first song I ever wrote.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, okay.

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I started a band when I was in seventh grade.

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Nice.

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It was like my first band.

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Because I mean, I've been obsessed with music my entire life.

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You know, my mom was like a huge R.E.M. fan.

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So like I was just listening to that constantly at home.

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You know, uh, you know, love the smashing pungent stuff.

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But I started started a band in seventh grade.

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Basically, we wanted to be like the smashing pumpkins or nirvana or something like that.

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And I think the first song we wrote was like, it wasn't about anything.

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You know what I mean? It was like, I think it was called like, how now brown cow or something.

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Like that.

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Nice.

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You know what I mean?

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It was just like the goofy 12 year olds like probably all on your and the riff was probably all on your E string.

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It was just like, I like you.

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You got it.

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You nailed it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was bad.

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But but I mean, it was the beginning of like the rest of my life.

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Basically.

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You know, yeah.

243
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Yeah.

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So seventh grade.

245
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And where was that there in Winston Salem?

246
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That was in Pulaski, Virginia.

247
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Okay.

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In Virginia.

249
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All right.

250
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So you are, you're in these coasts right on.

251
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Okay.

252
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So, uh, you started in seventh grade.

253
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You start playing more and more.

254
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And you were on, then how did that take you into far less?

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Because you were on the road with far less for like better part of 10 years, right?

256
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And you were on the road with far less for a long time.

257
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Yes.

258
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Um, I started this at right after high school.

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I joined this band.

260
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Okay.

261
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So Jamie King who produced.

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They, they ride.

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Well, he, he, he, he mixed and mastered it.

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He did half of the production.

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Half like the drums we did with my buddy Mark.

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Yeah.

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But, um,

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I joined this like rat metal band.

269
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Okay.

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And like just like a couple months before they were going to record their first record.

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And we go into record with Jamie and unbeknownst to me, he pulls all the other guys aside and it's like,

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Hey, you need to get rid of the rapper.

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And you need to start like a rock band with that singer that you brought in,

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which was me because I was doing clean vocals and stuff.

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And the other guy was like, rap.

276
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It was like a two vocalist thing.

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That was really popular at the time.

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Like 90.

279
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Well, yeah.

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That's kind of like, I mean, um, Lincoln Parker.

281
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Exactly.

282
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A little bit of Inkybiss.

283
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A little bit.

284
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Yeah.

285
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A thousand.

286
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You know, yeah.

287
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I mean, it was like that.

288
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No.

289
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Yeah, a little bit of emo.

290
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A little bit.

291
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Yeah.

292
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It was totally that error, new metal, all that stuff.

293
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And so we did.

294
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We started a band and our first.

295
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Go.

296
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Or our first or second show was with far less.

297
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Okay.

298
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Which had just kind of started.

299
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Now, when that, uh, when that band, uh, we were called purity.

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Uh, we were together for like a year.

301
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We split up.

302
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Jordan from far less hit me up because he, he was writing all the songs and he was singing them.

303
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But he had a buddy playing guitar.

304
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Jordan is a phenomenal guitar player, by the way.

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Um, and songwriter and singer.

306
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Uh, but he wanted to step back to guitar.

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And apparently all the guys in far less were like, we want that dude that was in purity to come.

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Like, be our singer now.

309
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Okay.

310
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So far less invited me to come, you know, being the band.

311
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I think we probably did like the local circuit and like some DIY tours for like a couple of years before.

312
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Silent off-roar records picked us up.

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Then tooth and nail picked us up.

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And from, from there, I mean, it was just crazy.

315
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You know, we did a ton of tours.

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MTV did like a you hear it first about us.

317
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Yeah.

318
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Yeah.

319
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Yeah.

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I was, I remember, I mean, I was, I was in, I was on the use coast during that time.

321
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Um, and I remember hearing about you guys.

322
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So, yeah.

323
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Yeah.

324
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Yeah.

325
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So I'm, and that.

326
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So I'm really curious as to your experience with dealing with a label.

327
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Versus how, you know, how you got into.

328
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Um, value for value and Bitcoin and, you know, and, and the monetary flows and things like that.

329
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We can, we can get the a little bit more into that.

330
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A little bit more into the interview, but keep going.

331
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I'm sorry.

332
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Didn't mean to interrupt.

333
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No, no, you're fine.

334
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Uh, so, you know, far less close to 10 years.

335
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And it's, you know, it's funny.

336
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My daughter was asking me about that this morning.

337
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Like, you know, I told her I was going to do this interview and she was like,

338
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when your band broke up, you know, were you guys angry at each other?

339
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She's eight, you know, so she's just like, were you guys angry at each other?

340
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And I was just like, no, like, we had hit this point where people,

341
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like, we were, we were coming in and out of the band.

342
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Like, it, nobody loved us.

343
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Nobody hated us.

344
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It was real stagnant, you know?

345
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No, yeah.

346
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The label didn't want to support us really anymore.

347
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And it was just, it just felt like, you know what?

348
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Like, nobody likes us.

349
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Nobody hates it.

350
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There's just like, let's just stop.

351
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It's just, it, it had run its course.

352
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It sounds like you guys had just kind of run the course.

353
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I mean, that's, it's, it's really what it felt like.

354
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But, you know, what's nuts is the stuff we were writing at that point was probably some of the best stuff we'd ever written.

355
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Yeah.

356
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And, and we were starting to incorporate some electronic elements.

357
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So it was kind of like radioheadish, like, stuff that we were starting to write.

358
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But we just couldn't get like, we just couldn't get the ball rolling again.

359
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You know what I mean?

360
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It's like, we were on like our third win.

361
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That, you know what I mean?

362
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And, and it just didn't make it happen.

363
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Yeah. Now I've been there.

364
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I was out with my band for a couple of years out of LA.

365
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And we're just, you know, you're, you're just bustin' a hump.

366
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Oh, I mean, we--

367
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The nights you're playing to 500 some nights you're playing to nobody.

368
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Yeah.

369
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And, and, and it, it, it got to that point where we weren't even like,

370
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for several years, we were doing these tours where we were in a van following buses, right?

371
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So it's like, while everybody got the, all these other bands got the sleep all night,

372
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we were driving 14 hours from like, to Seattle from,

373
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I don't know where, I can't remember.

374
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Yeah.

375
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Well, the Seattle's in the middle of nowhere, like, you know what, one of the reasons why we,

376
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we were going for the reason why we moved to Nashville was that Seattle is out there in the middle of nowhere, you know.

377
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It's crazy, man. We were driving from, uh, Salt Lake to Seattle.

378
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There's, you know, one of the hours right there.

379
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A overnight while like, every, all these other bands that we were, you know, open and pour,

380
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it, it was rough and we did that for a few years.

381
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And in that, kind of, let me ask you a question.

382
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Where in Seattle did you play, do you remember?

383
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I mean, we played a few places.

384
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The, the, the one really memorable show was a place called the show box.

385
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Oh, yeah. Good for you.

386
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Uh, we did a showcase that, and that, that was a crazy show.

387
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I mean, because you know, it was like a tooth and nail record showcase.

388
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I mean, there was tons of people there.

389
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One of our guitar, my guitar player, Mark, I mean, he was just feeling it, I guess.

390
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And he takes his guitar.

391
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And I remember looking at him and he throws it into the audience, like at the end of the set, right?

392
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Because it was just like so rock and roll.

393
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And I remember looking at him and seeing the realization on his face that like,

394
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oh my god, we're poor.

395
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And that is my only guitar.

396
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And like, why did I do that?

397
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You know what I mean?

398
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Like jumping out into the audience to go get his guitar.

399
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That is a very memorable show.

400
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For sure.

401
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That's a great club to play.

402
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I was also there, but I never, I never played there.

403
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I played crocodile, I played tractor.

404
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And I was there.

405
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I was there.

406
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I was there.

407
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A bunch of other smaller places, you know, bought that weird coffee pot shaped building down into coma that's a.

408
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Oh, yeah.

409
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And they brought it at places.

410
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I, I missed to coma and Seattle dearly, but that place is dumb.

411
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But with all due respect, like that was what a, that was that, that, that's about as bad as the lion's den on coal facts in Denver.

412
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Right?

413
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Like I mean, I don't think we've, you know, in Denver, I think we've only ever played maybe one or,

414
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you know, we played two clubs there and I can't remember the name of either of them.

415
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One of them we played had like cages in it.

416
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I remember and I was like, oh man, they must have like great like golf rames or something like that here at some point.

417
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That's like the blue brothers, man, you know, set nothing up on the chicken wire.

418
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Yeah.

419
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Name from the TV show, Rod.

420
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The second time we played in Denver, I fell off the stage.

421
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Which was, which was a great, a great story.

422
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Yeah.

423
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Well, all right.

424
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So, so you're out there on the road with these guys for 10 years.

425
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It, it, it runs its course.

426
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And it sounds like everybody left on good terms and you, you know, like everybody's just whooped.

427
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Right?

428
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Yeah.

429
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Yeah.

430
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Well, we're all still, still buddies.

431
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That's great.

432
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That's great.

433
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I mean, you guys have have great stories, right?

434
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And, and, and I hope you don't regret any of it.

435
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I hope you don't regret any of it.

436
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Well, you know, when we first split up, I think I did go through a period of, well, I'm getting like, I'm going to get super real in here.

437
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But like, I went through this period of like, dude, who am I?

438
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Like, I've been in this band since I was like 16, 17, like, what am I supposed to do?

439
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Did I waste like all these years of my life?

440
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There was about, there is a few year period of this like weird, like identity crisis sort of thing.

441
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But now I mean, dude, I don't regret it at all.

442
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I've been there.

443
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No, proud of it.

444
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I'm so happy that we did it.

445
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I've, I've been there.

446
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I know exactly what you mean.

447
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I kind of walked away from it all at like 29, 30, 31, right?

448
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And I was around, I was around that age and I actually was like, I would never play music again.

449
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Like music broke my heart.

450
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Like, yeah, it broke my heart.

451
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Dude, I'm right there with you.

452
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It's exactly the way I felt like I, for me, but a lot of it had to do with getting sober to be honest with you.

453
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Okay.

454
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I got, I mean, you could see by my hair how old I am, roughly, right?

455
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I'm 53.

456
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Okay.

457
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I've been sober a little over 20 years and you look good, buddy.

458
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Well, thank you.

459
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Thank you, sir.

460
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I feel like a, like a million Satoshi's, right?

461
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Yeah, for me, it was, I, I completely, I identify with you on that because I, I had to get sober or else I would have been dead.

462
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And playing, and it took me a while to understand the beauty of playing gigs sober versus being absolutely hammered or, or high one plan, right?

463
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Hit that.

464
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Yeah. And I think now I've probably done more gigs sober than I ever, than I did when I was high.

465
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But the identity crisis that you speak of and like, God, what did I just do?

466
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Why did I, I just spent X amount of time in my life doing this and it didn't work out?

467
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But you, you really find yourself in those settings.

468
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The, the, the travel is invaluable. The cultural experience of being a musician on the road, even if nobody knows you is invaluable.

469
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Like you probably have a greater understanding of this country than most people do.

470
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Like I, I, I really, and I don't mean this to be condescending, but I, but I genuinely feel sorry for people who don't get an opportunity to travel around the country and just see how vast it is.

471
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And there's no better way of doing that than, than being a musician.

472
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Oh, for sure. You know, yeah, I agree. And it's really, it's nice to talk to somebody that bad understands it because I, you know, I think people that don't dedicate, I'm, because you give up everything for me.

473
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I mean, I, the relationships that were, that were failed because I was gone all the time, you know, like, yeah, you give up a lot to chase that.

474
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You know, and if you don't do it, it's hard to understand it.

475
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Yeah, and I have no regrets. I mean, I never, you know, I got some mailbox money for a number of years, which I'm, and I'm sure you did too, be insigned.

476
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But I don't have any regrets on it. Now you went, so after you were on the road with these guys for about 10 years, you went back and got your degree in advertising and, and,

477
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the production, right? Or advertising and marketing advertising and design. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And by the way, shout out to house of ivy.co, like your wife is an amazing photographer.

478
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Holy cow.

479
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:10,000
She kicks ass. She, I mean, she's wanted the, I mean, I tell her all the time and I say all the time she's one of the greatest like visual artists of our time.

480
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:22,000
And we work really well together, although it's funny because like, you know, we'll get to like huge arguments about like what font, like, you know, like what font we need to use for this particular project.

481
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:40,000
And then I said, Sarah font. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for real, but like, there's just something about when we work together, man, like things, things really work out, although all of her works, although it's just like, I mean, that's actually how we got started talking.

482
00:28:40,000 --> 00:29:00,000
I did this project with Todd, Todd turnry was the second drummer for far less is a good buddy of mine. We did this electronic EP. And I reached out to Kristen because I wanted to purchase this piece of work that she did for our cover.

483
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:12,000
And that email, it like gave, ended up giving me a family. You know what I mean? Like from that email, I got a wife and a kid. Yeah. It's crazy.

484
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:23,000
That's cool, man. That's really cool. So all right. So 10 years on the road, didn't you go back, you're going through the hole. What did I do with my life? You go back to school.

485
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:39,000
And then all of a sudden, the itch starts again. Right. Right. And while I was in school, you know, I, I did an EP with this band out of Raleigh called a civilian.

486
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,000
And it kind of fell through.

487
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Basically, and then, you know, I got back with a couple of far less dudes and we did about six songs under the name planet of the song. Then COVID hit. And I couldn't go to Wilmington every other weekend to like track with them. And like.

488
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:10,000
And honestly, like, I lost, I lost a ton of like friends, man. Like, you know, during the COVID thing, you know, I was pretty, like, I wasn't like, I wasn't rude or anything.

489
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:22,000
But I was pretty vocal about how like, hey, we're being bullshit in here about what's really going on. Like, like, come on. Like, there's, there's, there's. And I want to get too deep into it.

490
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:30,000
But you know, like the moment you're like, hey, the mainstream thing that we're being told is a lie. Hey, man.

491
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Most people agree with it and they, they were not feeling me going against the grain. You know what I mean? And that, that really put me in this position where I was like, you know what? Instead of like.

492
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:54,000
You know, like getting online and talking about statistics and I'm just going to write an EP about how I feel in my experience. And, and that's kind of how I started.

493
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:07,000
And that's how I will start it. So how, so how did your thought process as a writer change now that you're, you're, you know, you've, you've taken time off from the road.

494
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,000
You went back, you got your degree, you're, you're married, you got a kid.

495
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:21,000
What, what did that do to your, your, your process as a songwriter versus when you were, you know, in your early 20s on the road with far less? How did that?

496
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
How, how, how are you different artistically?

497
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Man, away different because you know, one of the main thing I wanted to do is like, I want to start a band that I can't get kicked out of.

498
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Like, you know what I mean? Like, I want to start something that no matter who is involved, they can come and they can leave, but like, I'm going to do this.

499
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
Yeah.

500
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:53,000
And, and like, with far less, like, I would take ideas in, you know, like, on the last record, we did far less, did I wrote like three of the songs, which is like a huge deal.

501
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Because before that, it just be a riff here and there that I would like, you know, I would help with.

502
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:07,000
But with this, it was like, oh man, like, I'm going to write everything, which was brand new to me. So I, I, like, I hit the books.

503
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:22,000
I literally studied, you know, all of the Bumanshu records. I, I, I, I stuck like, I, I knew I wanted to go in like a, like a grunge and like, stoner rock.

504
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Like, you know, like, that's where I wanted to go with this. So, you know, I sat down, I learned a ton of songs from bands that I absolutely love from the genre.

505
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:40,000
And I did, I just went for it, which is totally different than what it was like back and far less.

506
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Back and far less. Yeah. Well, you know, and you brought up stoner rock and grunge yet, you know who you guys kind of remind me of is masters of reality.

507
00:32:48,000 --> 00:33:01,000
Awesome. You know, you know, Chris Goss is project. Yeah. That's kind of, you know, for those of you who don't know what that is, like we, if you, if you lived in LA or if you're on the West Coast, we call it kind of like high desert rock.

508
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Like Chris Goss is from Palm Springs, Palm Desert Riverside area.

509
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,000
Josh, what's the name of Josh is band?

510
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Yeah, Hummy. Yeah. Queens of the Stone Age. Queens of the, Queens of the Stone Age.

511
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:28,000
Like in Kaya's. Yeah. Things like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of like what you guys, what, what I wrote, what reminds me of.

512
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:42,000
I was like, I want to sound, I want to sound like sound garden and boom, and you and Queens of the Stone Age. And I even want to bring in like little elements of like kind of like mastodon or like.

513
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,000
But I want to sing and not scream. Yeah. You know what I mean?

514
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Like I wanted it to be melodic and I wanted it to be like the stuff I grew up listening to.

515
00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Let me comment on two things like the melody. And I wish I had my piano turned on. I don't have it turned on and running through here. But like if you go back and listen to.

516
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,000
I actually reviewed the ride or they ride. Excuse me.

517
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,000
I heard it, man. On episode four of the review. And that melody.

518
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:23,000
I was like, look into it. That little minor second. It's like that bastard. Like that's so clever. I love that. I really appreciate that.

519
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,000
When I heard that, you know, I mean, I was like, Pilly, dude, I was like, you got to hear this man.

520
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,000
This guy's like breaking down our song and it just, it makes us sound so cool.

521
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
You know, it makes us sound like we know what we're doing.

522
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:50,000
I'm sure it's how do, man, because like in the other thing, like I can sit here and I know, like, I don't know if it's fever or exile, but the one that starts.

523
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000
The morning.

524
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The fever.

525
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:01,000
That melody just gets and I love the way the song starts. I got freaking goosebumps, man.

526
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
All start. You said it was. It's an all start, right?

527
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Yeah. And who, who, for the love of all things, holy, who came up with that organ part at the end of the guitar solo in exile?

528
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:24,000
I was Billy, man. And that is brilliant. And that was really so damn good. And that, and that chord progression that that he uses to come out of the guitar solo.

529
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Yeah. God. Damn. That's brilliant. That is so cool.

530
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Billy's crazy creative. He's in like four bands, which makes it a little bit difficult sometimes to like for scheduling, but I mean, the dude just like believes songs.

531
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:51,000
It's insane and ideas, but we were in the studio and Billy was like, man, it would be cool to put a organ here. And Jamie just like doubt up an organ sound and Billy.

532
00:35:51,000 --> 00:36:04,000
And I've got it all recorded on video like the three or four times he tried to just do it and like couldn't quite get it, you know, and he's like, damn it. And then like he nailed it, you know, like the fourth time that he played it or whatever.

533
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,000
I'm going to use that song at the end of the show. So people can hear it. Is that cool? And then I'll probably put whatever you want.

534
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Right on. And then I'll put.

535
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,000
So that's exile. And I'll use fever at the beginning.

536
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Cool. Okay. Cool. What's the name? I wrote what is it? Like international reasoning of hospitality agents. What is it?

537
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:39,000
So Uncle I wrote is the character from Avatar, the last airbender.

538
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:51,000
And he was like my favorite, he was like my favorite character in the show. Oh, now your Facebook, now your Facebook makes sense because I look at that and I'm like, what the hell is this?

539
00:36:51,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Well, in ex house, the first song I wrote for the band, right? It's like the first song I wrote that I was like, man, I think this could be like I could turn a whole like record into this kind of style.

540
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:14,000
But laterally the song was originally about Avatar, like, and so for like a week, I was like, man, I'm going to make an EP about about Avatar.

541
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:30,000
But, and I stepped away from it for just long enough to come up with like this whole other idea. So I changed like one line in the song and then it worked perfectly for the concept of the record that, you know, for the rest of the record.

542
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Because you know, you know, if you listen to the album, there's, you know, there's all these segues in between where, you know, because the album, it's like you're in a Dodge demon, listening to the radio during like a zombie apocalypse.

543
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000
And so in between all the songs, you've got all the different radio stuff, right?

544
00:37:50,000 --> 00:38:10,000
And I actually do, I reached out to Alex Jones to see if he would actually like be like the Seedman character in it. Of course, I never heard from him. So I had my friend Gary, who was the singer for the band Swift from North Carolina, who were like, just huge in this area, man.

545
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:23,000
I mean, like if they got together today to play a show, there'd be 800 people in the video, like I'm sure. And he was like, he can just do a voice that sounds like Alex Jones. So it was perfect. You know.

546
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:35,000
So I'm reading this. I think this is was from a bio I found online conceptually the ride is a literal ride like in a car, a 1972 Dodge demon to be precise.

547
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:51,000
All of the songs and the storyline parts are presented through this car radio listeners will join the main characters as they ride through the waist of South Eastern USA searching for signs of life and fighting the zombie hordes all to an excellent soundtrack.

548
00:38:51,000 --> 00:39:03,000
You know, Brandon, could you come up with something a little more specific.

549
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:15,000
And you'd wake up from in the middle of the night, like, oh, wait, it's like, I got an idea for an EP. It kind of happened like that. You kind of happen like that.

550
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:21,000
It just fell, it all everything fell into place with the EP. It's it's pretty, pretty wow. How worked out.

551
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Well, I'll say it again. I think the whole thing sounds fantastic and I love the hooks just from a let's talk gear a little bit.

552
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Like are you tuned down in any this was was is all standard.

553
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Yeah. So we're either in like a D standard, so like a whole step down, we'll step up and then some of the songs we are dropped C drop C.

554
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:58,000
Oh, meaty. Yeah. So which is a pain in the ass live because we play the record from start to finish live with all the segues.

555
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,000
And so about halfway through the show, we are tuning for every song.

556
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Yeah. And I'm kind of excited to get out of that.

557
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:17,000
Yeah. So for the listener who is not a guitar player, what he's talking about is like, if you pick up a guitar, there's a standard tuning in the tension of the strings on the neck.

558
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:24,000
The way the guitar is designed, unless you're really strumming hard, you're not going to go attuned that far.

559
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:39,000
But what a lot of heavier sounding bands do is they will intentionally loosen the strings on their guitar to a lower key to giving heavier a meteor sound, darker sound.

560
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:57,000
And what that does in a live setting, because the guitar isn't necessarily designed for that type of tension in a live setting, you look in between every song, you got to stop and big and tune quickly or else the whole thing just sounds like garbage.

561
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:09,000
So it's hard. It's hard. But it's a great trick. And it's definitely a master's of reality trick. And it's not. I shouldn't use the word trick. It's a tool. It's a great tool.

562
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:15,000
Yeah. I mean, because you know, those low-retuning seem to just work better with my voice.

563
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Yeah. Yeah. And I love the EQ separation between.

564
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:48,000
And when bands do this, it really creates a nice EQ separation between the guitarist, the guitarist, the bass, and the vocalist, especially if the vocalist like yourself has a really strong alto, to not like, you know, that that makes the job of the producer and the engineer and the mastering engineer makes it a little bit easier, because they got more EQ to play with.

565
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and by the way, send me a picture of your pedal board. And I will use that as the chapter.

566
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Okay. Yeah. And like, you know, fountain or podverse or whatever. Right. So, you know, so we can geek out about pedals.

567
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Oh, dude. I love to geek out about gear man. How big is your pedal board, by the way?

568
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:25,000
You would be surprised at how small my pedal. Not really. So live, I use one pedal, dude. And it's a three, a three-month 14 made by Rudtech who was out of Nashville.

569
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:33,000
And it is just the best fuzz pedal I've ever used in my whole life.

570
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,000
I've got a bunch of, dude, I have a bunch of pedals. I mean, don't get me wrong. I got a ton of pedals. Yeah.

571
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:52,000
And when we record, I only use two. I use the three month. And then I blend that, you know, I'll double track using a 420 fuzz fuzz rocious.

572
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,000
And I'll blend those two.

573
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:02,880
And the only other pedal I use, I used a creepy finger's, the ballch on, in X, trials.

574
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,960
So the jing jing jing jing jing jing jing, at the beginning of the song.

575
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Like that fuzz, that's a ballch pedal.

576
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:15,320
It has been a lot of fun watching technology get better over the years.

577
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Right. Like I was, I think you probably heard me say this.

578
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Like I was in L.A., and 95 to 03, and I watched the transition of tape to pro

579
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,200
tools. I watched studios go down, right?

580
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,920
Yeah.

581
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:36,720
And I, um, and also at the same time, it was like the dawn of digital amps, right?

582
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,520
Like, oh, yeah.

583
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,320
I had a line six that I toured with and, and you know, it had two 15s and then it

584
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
pissed loud, you know, I love that.

585
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,640
I loved it, right?

586
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:51,480
But the technology on those things has gotten so much better.

587
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,760
It's the quality of the digital amps and the, and the boards and everything has, has

588
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,920
gotten so much better.

589
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Now I'm still a big analog geek, like I would, I would prefer to record to tape.

590
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,760
Yeah.

591
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,920
I don't like, I've got, but, you know, like my Jordan from far less and Brandon, who joined

592
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,920
far less later, he's a good friend of ours.

593
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:19,960
Those guys, you know, they'll use like digital stuff and they'll make it sound so good.

594
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,000
I mean, and at this point, the stuff sounds basically like analog amps, but man, I, you

595
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,640
cannot get me, you, you will have to pry analog gear from my cold dead hands.

596
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,280
I, I, I don't want to learn the digital amps and stuff.

597
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Yeah.

598
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,880
I, you know what I mean?

599
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,560
Yeah.

600
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,880
I don't want to learn that.

601
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,440
It is fascinating.

602
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,600
I've got a bunch of buddies who tour and they go out on the road, you know, and they,

603
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,800
they go out with the guitar, a backpack, and they're camper.

604
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,920
I know.

605
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,960
And it sounds great.

606
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,480
And it sounds brilliant.

607
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:00,920
And, and, and, and, and like the really ballsy ones, they, they will get a one of those padded

608
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,200
guitar cases that holds two guitars.

609
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Mm-hmm.

610
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,560
And they'll only put one guitar in there.

611
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,000
And then they use the other half for all their clothes.

612
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,080
Oh, that's the great idea.

613
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,840
You're only going out with one guitar.

614
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,000
I'll break a lot of strings.

615
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:24,160
But the, like the, the, the camper, even on the, even for the base, like I've got buddies who

616
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,920
are touring big national things.

617
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,080
I'm like, yeah, like using any amp-song stages, like, you know, like,

618
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,520
I don't know how one with one stinking board.

619
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,160
I, I, I can't get over it.

620
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,360
No, it is cool, man.

621
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,920
And people can make it sound great.

622
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:50,440
But there, to me, there's nothing like the way, and like a speaker cabinet feels and an amp

623
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,520
feels like, I don't know how to explain it.

624
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,680
And I'm not some, I'm not a great guitar player.

625
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,520
I've played for a long time or whatever, but God, I love it.

626
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,320
And, you know, and now I've got an 86 JCM 800,

627
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,800
uh, that I used through.

628
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,840
I got a Mojo tone, two 12 cabinet that it's like, dude, at this, I don't want any other

629
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:11,960
any other gear.

630
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,960
I like, I've got my, like, my dream rig.

631
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,720
It sounds exactly the way I want it to.

632
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,040
And that's, that's what I use.

633
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,320
Yeah, it's not, it's not what I recorded.

634
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,240
I had an orange rocker verb 50, this what I recorded they ride with.

635
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,160
Okay.

636
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:28,680
That makes sense.

637
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,200
Yeah.

638
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,920
And, and I loved it.

639
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,440
But the thing about it is that amp hated my fuzz pedals, man.

640
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Like it, it hated them.

641
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:43,440
I, when we recorded, I actually had to run my fuzz pedals through like, uh,

642
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,000
like the effects, you know, like, uh, loop.

643
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,480
I think on the amp just so it wouldn't make these weird noises.

644
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,760
I don't know what it is about that orange, but it didn't like them.

645
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,400
Um, and Billy used AC 15.

646
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,320
Yeah.

647
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,160
And then did his double tracks with the 50 one 50.

648
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,760
Oh, really?

649
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:05,560
Yeah.

650
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:13,040
Interesting. You know, I'm not a, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I mean, with all due respect to, uh,

651
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,080
Edward Van Halen, Reston piece, I am just not a fan of PV's, man.

652
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,640
I just, man, I love the 50 one 50.

653
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,360
Like, uh, really, the first one is like a tube, right?

654
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,400
It's tube.

655
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,680
Mm-hmm.

656
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,400
Oh, yeah.

657
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:35,360
And, you know, early sound garden, um, they used a, whatever was the pre cursor to the

658
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,200
50 one 50.

659
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,480
It was called something else, but it was basically the same amp, uh, during like the bad

660
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,200
motor finger era and stuff like that.

661
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,920
So, uh, I'm partial to it.

662
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,120
You know, there are metal bands.

663
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,920
So many metal bands that grew up love in the play 51 50.

664
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,280
So there's some, the, we don't own one.

665
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,040
I mean, Billy uses a live.

666
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:02,280
He uses a orange, um, what it, it's one of those lunchbox amps.

667
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,280
Oh, they're, yeah.

668
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,720
I can't remember what one, like, I can't remember which one it is though.

669
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,560
Yeah.

670
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,720
Um, he uses, he uses that and I use, you know, my Marshall.

671
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,120
Yeah.

672
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,040
But yeah, other than that, I mean, other than 51 50 PV doesn't do it for me.

673
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Yeah, they just do.

674
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,920
Yeah, just, it's a little too tiny for me.

675
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:23,520
All right.

676
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Let's, let's get into value for value.

677
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,360
Like, how did you guys find or you, how, how did you find Wablake?

678
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,760
How did you find value for value?

679
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,680
How'd you get into, uh, into, into this whole world?

680
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:41,240
Um, I've been a no agenda listener since like episode one, you know, and, okay.

681
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,880
For a long time.

682
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:50,520
And, uh, so, uh, Adam Curry was, you know, he, he'll always talk about, he, he brought up

683
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Wablake at one point on the show and, you know, what?

684
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,880
Before that, I had emailed him and I was, you know, just like, hey, man, I wrote this record,

685
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,280
like, check it out and he, it's, he said, you know, there's something common.

686
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,720
There's something common that you're going to be able to like upload your stuff.

687
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:09,400
It's going to be totally value for value.

688
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,080
And then we know once Wablake hit and he started talking about it, I, as soon as our record

689
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,840
was done, I uploaded it to Wablake.

690
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Uh, nice.

691
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:25,160
But because I, you know, even being in far less, dude, you know, I'll get emails every, you

692
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,600
know, month or whatever, like you've had, you know, X thousand listeners, you know,

693
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,120
to your, your record on Spotify, you know, and then every quarter, I'll get, you know,

694
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:41,040
a direct deposit of like a dollar, you know, if I'm lucky, you know, and, and I was just

695
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,240
like, man, this is dumb.

696
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,160
Yeah.

697
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,760
This is, like, this is stupid.

698
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,640
Like it, it, it doesn't make any sense.

699
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,880
Like, you know, if, because there's so, there's so much going on and Spotify anyways,

700
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,400
it's hard for people to find your music or, or discover your band if they don't know it.

701
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,280
And then like the pace sucks.

702
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Yeah.

703
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:11,800
And even, I don't know, man, even with, uh, with, with like something like Wablake, I just,

704
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,360
I feel more heard if that makes sense.

705
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,680
You know what I mean?

706
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,160
Like, yeah.

707
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,960
I feel like the music is actually getting to somebody.

708
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:28,920
That interaction that you get is invaluable, you know, because, you know, you can log into

709
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,400
your account and you can see what shows are boosting you.

710
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,200
Yeah.

711
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,800
People digging your shit.

712
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,680
Yeah.

713
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,040
And I mean, it's such a great feeling, man.

714
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:44,040
And, and, and Spotify and Apple and all that, like, they don't, just nothing about it makes me feel good.

715
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,680
Yeah.

716
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:51,360
Honestly, it just doesn't like, I, I'll log into Wablake and you can see that people have boosted,

717
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,920
you know, your, your music and stuff.

718
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,960
And it's just like, man, all right, people are listening.

719
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,200
People like people are hearing this.

720
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,600
Yeah.

721
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Yeah.

722
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,920
And I, and I, I'm telling artists, I'm like, you know, don't, um,

723
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,760
you know, don't not put your stuff up on Spotify.

724
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,240
Like you should, like, in many respects, it's a necessary evil.

725
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,000
Right.

726
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Right.

727
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,760
But like, I love what Joe Martin did.

728
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:23,200
Joe Martin is a Americana singer, songwriter, out of, um, middle England.

729
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,960
He's like two or three hours north of Blondom and he's kind of, he's got a beautiful voice.

730
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,200
He's on, he's on a wavelength.

731
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,640
Um, but he started dropping his new releases on, you know, into RSS seeds first.

732
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:42,680
And then, you know, so like next to, you know, with, with your next, uh, singles, um, you know, I mean,

733
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,160
yes, I can find your music on, on Spotify.

734
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,000
I can find this whole EP on Spotify.

735
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:54,680
But as a way to kind of capitalize on the market and drive some traffic, maybe you think about,

736
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:01,920
Hey, you know what? I'll, I'll put it up in the RSS feeds first and then, you know, one month later, you'll,

737
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,000
you'll get, well, it man.

738
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,040
It's, it's, it's fun.

739
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:09,080
That's one of you mentioned that is I reached out, you know, on Instagram,

740
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,640
just whoever, like the wave, like Instagram.

741
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:19,280
And I was like, Hey, do you ever do any kind of like premieres or anything like that?

742
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:25,080
Because I would love for our next single to be premiered that way.

743
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:31,360
And, you know, first, yeah, uh, you know, and they were like, well, you know, we can put it in, like, you know,

744
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,560
they, they do a newsletter.

745
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,240
So they're like, we can talk about it on the newsletter or something like that.

746
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:37,400
But like, it's cool.

747
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,520
You mentioned that because that, that's, that was already sort of floating around.

748
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,840
Like, I, I want to use value for value.

749
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,800
Like, I want to try to drive some kind of like traffic that, that direction, you know,

750
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,960
yeah, like an exposed people to what, what's going on?

751
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,040
Yeah.

752
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,560
I mean, I firmly believe that that's, that's the future, man.

753
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,040
I, yeah, I, I do too.

754
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:09,200
Obviously with, I mean, we launched a new website this week to help bring in artists to,

755
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,200
to teach them about this and, and to get more of them into this.

756
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:17,400
And what I would say to you is get, you know, as much as we all hate social media,

757
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,440
it still is a good tool to promote.

758
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:26,440
And, and I would get in, um, noster, if I were you, because there's a lot of, uh,

759
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:33,520
there's a lot of the way of like, crew in there, um, you know, and, and it's going to be,

760
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,640
you know, noster is, is primarily the Bitcoin devs and the noster devs,

761
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,400
you know, talking back and forth, but there's not a lot of musicians in that space.

762
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,280
Uh, so that's a good opportunity for you to kind of promote the band.

763
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,720
Number two, I think that the music aligns with, uh, what a lot of the devs listen to,

764
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:57,120
like if, like, just as somebody who promotes in that space, I see, you know,

765
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,880
I'll put up a song or I'll put up, uh, you know, notification of a song and I can see the response

766
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,800
that it gets, but then when somebody puts up, Hey, this is a heavier band or this is a metal,

767
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,680
like people are like, you know,

768
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,040
so I would look into noster.

769
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:17,320
I think it's a more aligned, um, number two is I would, um, get active on Twitter as well.

770
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,960
I hate to say it, but I would get active on Twitter and really try to interact with the way

771
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,160
of Lake account, things like that.

772
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:28,760
You know, I mean, we hate, we hate social media in terms of the fact that it makes us content creators

773
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,040
and we have to, and it takes away from our art.

774
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:36,520
And it's, as you know, with your design degree, being a content creator for, uh,

775
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,680
social media is, is a very different skill set than being a songwriter.

776
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:41,560
Oh, yeah.

777
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,480
But I, I would promote it there.

778
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,720
I'd also look into telegram too, like there's some, you know, there's some telegram groups, um,

779
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,960
that, you know, something that, that could help, but, um, and I agree with you.

780
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,040
It's, I mean, it's the future.

781
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Now this is like preseason, maybe, like, um, sure.

782
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:05,080
This is so early, you know, and I had a conversation yesterday with a gal here in Nashville

783
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,400
that's going to come out on Monday of this week and we were actually talking about, um,

784
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,560
Ethereum and, and NFTs, um, and she was saying the exact same thing about that side of the

785
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,880
equation, like it's just so early, right?

786
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,280
So, yeah.

787
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,800
So, so, well, you being a no-agent, so I, I'm sorry, go ahead.

788
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:32,080
No, I'm just, I'm really so happy that I could get involved in this, like, from like the start.

789
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Like, you know, from like the, the beginning of, you know, wave, like, and the value for value.

790
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,440
It's, uh, it's, it feels awesome.

791
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,360
You know what I mean?

792
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:49,440
It's like, like, like, like, like, like, you're helping to like, pioneer something that's like really going to change the industry.

793
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,000
Yeah.

794
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,560
Again, as it were.

795
00:55:52,560 --> 00:56:01,200
And the direct relationship that you can have with the listeners with the, you know, if, if the listener says,

796
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,960
oh my god, I love they ride.

797
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,120
Here's three thousand cetotias.

798
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:06,640
Here's five.

799
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,760
Well, it's like what I would like to be able to do.

800
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:16,440
So, you know, if wave, like, if you, if the devs are listening, if my dude's name ban or out there listening, uh,

801
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,880
I would love to be able to talk to people that are boosting our music.

802
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,560
Like, somebody, like, I'll see that somebody's boosting, you know, boosted something on wave length and wave,

803
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,960
like, and they've got like a comment.

804
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,320
And I would love to just be able to be like, I love you.

805
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,040
Thank you so much for listening.

806
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,200
Can't you go in and reply to their comments and wave like,

807
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,720
I, it, and if I can, then I'm just, I'm sure you can.

808
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,440
I'm pretty sure you can.

809
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,840
I, I see Joe Martin do it.

810
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,240
I see Anzaly Castello doing it.

811
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:48,120
Really?

812
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:48,840
Yeah.

813
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,240
Here, let me pull it up here.

814
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,120
I've got it like, I've got it right here.

815
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Actually, I, I'll do this after we talk.

816
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:57,840
Um, yeah.

817
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,040
But yeah, I mean, cause like, you know, you can see where people are like,

818
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,360
and I just want to be like, I love you.

819
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,000
Thank you so much for listening to us.

820
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,480
Yeah.

821
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,760
Yeah, you might have an older version of the app on your phone.

822
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:12,640
Maybe so.

823
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,600
But yeah, you know, Sam and Michael, they're, they're good dudes.

824
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:17,440
You could reach out to them.

825
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,760
I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm not a dev.

826
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:26,760
Um, but, um, you know, they'll probably listen in and, and, and respond.

827
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,760
But yeah, man, it like, you're such a boomer, I'm such a boomer

828
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,680
when it comes to technology.

829
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,640
My wife laughs at me all the time.

830
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,320
I'm constantly handing her my phone.

831
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,560
Like, why is it doing this?

832
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,680
Like, I don't know.

833
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,380
- Bameth, I just want to watch Matt Lock.

834
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:49,320
- It's probably something so simple that I've overlooked.

835
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,400
- Yeah.

836
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,200
- Yeah, I mean, you being a no agenda listener,

837
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,200
it's obvious that like, you know, didn't take you long

838
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,080
to jump in on this.

839
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,720
- Oh man, this suit, I mean, as soon as our record was done,

840
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,680
I was like, man, I'm putting this thing up one way, like,

841
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,240
I couldn't wait.

842
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,240
- Yeah.

843
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,360
All right, let's have, all right, here's a couple of fun,

844
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,280
fun questions.

845
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,040
- Okay.

846
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,360
- All right.

847
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,240
Take a song like, all right, I'm gonna take,

848
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,280
they ride.

849
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Who would you like to see cover this song?

850
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,880
But they cannot be in the Grunge Rock, Stone Rock genre.

851
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,720
- Oh wow.

852
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,920
- Like, here's an idea, here's an idea,

853
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,640
and you're from the rap rock world a little bit, right?

854
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,640
Like, like, Nicki Minaj, like, what would that sound like?

855
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,040
- It would be, I'm sure that would be crazy.

856
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,040
- Yeah, okay.

857
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,880
- Right?

858
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:51,720
- So give me a minute.

859
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,840
- Who would you like to see outside of you?

860
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,520
- Yeah, I would want some like phenomenal,

861
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,480
like, singer pop star to do it.

862
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,120
Like, you know what, I would like a Dell to sing they ride.

863
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,640
That's what I would like to hear.

864
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,160
- Ooh.

865
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,960
- Just with her in the piano.

866
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,440
- Yeah, somebody with some like, just like, crazy pipes.

867
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,000
That's what I would like to hear.

868
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000
- Ariana Grande.

869
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,880
- Just completely rewrite, rewrite the song, you know what I mean?

870
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,680
Redo it, and let's just hear your version of it.

871
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,000
- Cool.

872
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,520
- Best gig and worst gig.

873
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,720
Best gig you ever had?

874
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,480
- Worst gig you ever had.

875
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,320
- Okay.

876
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,440
You know, oh man, oh man.

877
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,800
The best gig I ever had.

878
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,160
I've had a lot of good gigs, man.

879
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,400
You know, every show we ever played at the Avalon

880
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,880
in Salt Lake was really good.

881
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:49,000
Back in the day, I mean, there was always like a thousand people

882
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:49,840
there.

883
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,240
There weren't there for us, but we got to play in front

884
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,720
of a thousand people, which was super cool.

885
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:56,880
- Yeah.

886
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,520
- Yeah, the worst gig ever.

887
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,040
We played this plays, I can't even remember it was.

888
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,120
I want to say Ohio, but I could be wrong.

889
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,120
I was smoking a lot of weed at that point,

890
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,320
so things get kind of blurry.

891
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:15,120
When we were doing DIY tours in Far Alaskan,

892
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,800
we played this place called Orange Street.

893
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,960
And I remember the last time we played there,

894
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,560
dude, there was like two people there.

895
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,480
And like we got the band, we got this huge fight

896
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,760
because it was just like we are just bleeding money,

897
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,640
traveling, playing in front of nobody.

898
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,440
Like what are we doing?

899
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:41,560
But you know, the most recent show we played in Blacksburg

900
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:46,360
with IRO, there was probably about 60 people there.

901
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,720
And man, it's like some of the most fun I've had in my whole life.

902
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,680
Like a dude, the crowd surfed.

903
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,520
- Nice.

904
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,680
- There was a dude in the audience, he ate a cigarette.

905
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,360
Like people were just like, like, wiling out.

906
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,440
And I haven't seen anything like that since I was in my 20s.

907
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,280
So.

908
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,280
- Yeah, that's pretty cool.

909
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,600
- Worst load in that you can remember.

910
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,360
- Okay, and Philly, we played this club.

911
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,560
Can't remember the name of it, but it was like,

912
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,720
I don't want to say it was like three flights of stairs

913
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,480
up to this club.

914
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,200
Easily the worst load in because our base player Joseph

915
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,760
had one of these base cabinets.

916
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,560
It was like like eight tens or something.

917
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,400
- Yeah, you know something.

918
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,360
- And it was a big ampag or something.

919
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,400
Oh yes, it was just such a pain, man.

920
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,280
It like, I'll never forget.

921
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,440
I will never forget that load in as matter of fact.

922
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,520
- My worst load in was, I don't know if it was Everett

923
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,640
or Bellingham, Washington.

924
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:52,680
You had to go down a brick flight of stairs to a landing

925
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,960
and then do a 180 and then go up a stairs and then

926
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,280
and get onto the stage.

927
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,680
And I'm like, why in the hell don't you guys just knock

928
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,680
a hole in the wall back here?

929
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,480
- It's so terrible.

930
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,840
- It make matters worse.

931
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,240
The day we got there and there was only two people

932
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:13,240
at the show, somebody had defecated at the landing.

933
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,280
- Oh, that's fantastic.

934
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,320
- That was fun.

935
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,160
- That's great.

936
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,760
- That was the worst load in.

937
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,120
- The masquerade in Atlanta is also not a fun load in.

938
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,640
I don't know if you're familiar with that.

939
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,520
I mean, that's like a famous venue,

940
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,640
but you load everything onto like this elevator outside

941
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,720
that takes it like up into the venue and then you gotta go

942
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,600
up and then you start and I never enjoyed that personally.

943
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,600
- There's one in Tacoma, there's a great set of clubs out

944
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,960
on the West Coast based out of Portland or Seattle,

945
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,640
one of the two, they're called Mick Minimans

946
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,040
and what they've done, they're beautiful clubs.

947
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,600
What these guys have done is they take old buildings

948
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,960
like literally old schools or the old alx lodge or whatever

949
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:04,800
and they completely refabit, but they do it honoring

950
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,040
what the building was.

951
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,000
If it was an old school, then this place is gonna have a school

952
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:10,760
theme.

953
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,800
If it was the alx lodge, it's gonna have the old ballroom

954
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,320
from the 1920s, right?

955
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,720
And they are a micro-brew and I hear their stuff is great

956
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,200
and they are a hotel.

957
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:27,200
So they've got a whole series of venues on the West Coast

958
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:32,680
that have beautiful stages, great food, great beer

959
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,600
and it's a hotel, it's called Mick Minimans,

960
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,520
they're fantastic, they're great places to play,

961
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,000
great places to play.

962
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,520
In Tacoma, the Spanish ballroom,

963
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,040
the Lodin literally is like good fellas.

964
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,040
Like you're down on the ground floor and you go through

965
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,720
like I was wheeling my keyboard like through the kitchen

966
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,240
and then I got to go around a corner

967
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,760
and then you go up the stairs and it's a really hard Lodin,

968
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,600
but I love it because like every time it reminds me

969
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,120
of good fellas in Raleota, like I'm gonna come around

970
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,360
the corner and be like every time you two, every time.

971
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,160
(laughing)

972
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,160
So anyways, well Brandon thank you so much for joining us.

973
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,440
Really appreciate the conversation.

974
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,800
I think we've got a lot in common as far as being out

975
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,760
in the road and burning out and wondering what the hell

976
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,600
we were doing.

977
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,560
- Oh, look, I will talk to you anytime man.

978
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,120
Like off the record, like whatever,

979
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,240
this was really, really enjoyable experience for me.

980
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,080
- My pleasure.

981
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,080
- I really appreciate it.

982
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,240
I appreciate the love so much.

983
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,240
I mean, because starting over from scratch without a label

984
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:52,640
and without a lot of the buddies that would have been there

985
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,240
to kind of help, has been really difficult for us.

986
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,600
But I mean, it's a challenge that like I'm down for it.

987
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,320
You know, and just, I thank you so much man

988
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,640
for playing our music and for talking about it.

989
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,560
- It means a lot, dude.

990
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:12,560
- Yeah man, love it.

991
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,360
And I mean, you're not that far away.

992
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,560
I hope I can come out and see you guys soon.

993
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,800
- That's awesome.

994
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,600
And you know, once we get off of here man,

995
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,440
I'll send you the two songs that we just got back.

996
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,080
- Oh yeah.

997
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,120
- One of them is a CCR cover that we did.

998
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,680
- Oh really, what did you cover?

999
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,480
- Sandister Purpose.

1000
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:34,600
- Oh nice choice.

1001
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,040
- And we made a heavy dude.

1002
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,640
- Nice choice.

1003
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,880
- Thank you.

1004
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,120
- Thank you for going deep into the B-sides

1005
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,080
and not sticking to like what the general public would do.

1006
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:46,920
- That's it.

1007
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,120
- And that was Billy thing.

1008
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,760
Billy hit me up and he was like, man,

1009
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,480
because he loved CCR and he was just like dude,

1010
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,480
lyrically this song, it could slide right into they ride.

1011
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,200
- Man, and I was like, let's do it.

1012
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,040
- Love it.

1013
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:03,880
Love it.

1014
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:04,720
I look forward to hearing it.

1015
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,720
We will wrap up this show with exile and again,

1016
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,360
like all you listeners out there,

1017
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:14,880
send these guys some sats man,

1018
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,880
send Brandon some sats and we'll see you soon.

1019
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,040
- Yeah man, thank you so much.

1020
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:22,960
- Hey you bet, stick around.

1021
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,040
We'll talk offline for a second.

1022
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:24,880
- Awesome.

1023
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,460
(upbeat music)

1024
01:06:27,460 --> 01:06:30,040
(upbeat music)

1025
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:40,040
(upbeat music)

1026
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:50,040
(upbeat music)

1027
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,040
♪ In exile, get on down and feel survival ♪

1028
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,040
♪ You're in putation to live ♪

1029
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:04,040
♪ No, I don't, now I don't know ♪

1030
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,040
♪ Feel so hollow ♪

1031
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:12,040
♪ In bite the fire to burn ♪

1032
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:19,040
♪ I can see your faces in the dark ♪

1033
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:25,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1034
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:30,040
♪ Let me, you're my life to die ♪

1035
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:35,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1036
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:40,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1037
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:45,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1038
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:50,040
♪ I don't know if I'm born ♪

1039
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:57,040
♪ When this hour is love and fear is comfort ♪

1040
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:03,040
♪ I'm chased that evil soul long ♪

1041
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,040
♪ I don't stop, I don't stop ♪

1042
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:09,040
♪ I will seek redemption ♪

1043
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,040
♪ I'm trailing hatred for love ♪

1044
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:18,040
♪ But again, I can't see your faces in the dark ♪

1045
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:23,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1046
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:28,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1047
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:33,040
♪ Let me, you're my life to die ♪

1048
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1049
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:43,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1050
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:51,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1051
01:08:51,040 --> 01:09:00,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1052
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:08,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1053
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:14,040
♪ I can't see your faces in the dark ♪

1054
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:20,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1055
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:26,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1056
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:32,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1057
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:39,040
♪ I can't tell my friends were born ♪

1058
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,040
Well, if that doesn't wake you up, I don't know what will.

1059
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:48,040
Hey, I wanted to share one more clip of this conversation

1060
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,040
that I had with him today.

1061
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,040
And this happened after we had concluded the interview,

1062
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,040
but we were talking about value for value,

1063
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,040
and we were talking about how amazing this whole movement is

1064
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,040
and how valuable it is for musicians.

1065
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,040
So here he is again talking specifically

1066
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,040
about value for value.

1067
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,040
Check it out.

1068
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,040
And I try to talk about as much as I can, you know,

1069
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:17,040
to artists that will listen, because, you know,

1070
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,040
you get so trapped into the, I mean,

1071
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:26,040
you just end up getting boxed into the major platforms

1072
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,040
or that's it.

1073
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:33,040
It's just like some people will only think of the internet as Facebook.

1074
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,040
You know what I mean?

1075
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,040
It's like music is Spotify.

1076
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,040
You know, people think like it.

1077
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,040
And it's just like, no, no, there's something way better,

1078
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:46,040
not only for you, but for the people making the music too.

1079
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,040
And that's the value for value model.

1080
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,040
Yeah.

1081
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,040
It's the best thing for everyone involved.

1082
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,040
Well said.

1083
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,040
The internet is not just Facebook.

1084
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:07,040
The music industry, God help us, is not just Spotify.

1085
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:13,040
And what value for value is doing for musicians is amazing.

1086
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:18,040
Not just musicians, but podcast hosts, even artists, authors.

1087
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:22,040
That direct exchange of value that is available,

1088
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,040
because of Bitcoin and because of RSS feeds.

1089
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:30,040
It's fantastic stuff and nocturne too.

1090
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:35,040
So thank you guys very much for listening to the Phantom Power artist hour.

1091
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,040
It is Sunday, February 4th.

1092
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:44,040
Tomorrow we are going to be talking with an amazing artist here in town in Nashville

1093
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:50,040
who is primarily in the Ethereum and NFT space.

1094
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,040
And her name is VLetta Zeroni.

1095
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,040
She's going to be on the show tomorrow for the business hour.

1096
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,040
We got the music hour coming up on Wednesday and then on Friday of course

1097
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,040
is the Phantom Power music review.

1098
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,040
Cool questions?

1099
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:11,040
You can find us on Noster, you can find us on Telegram, you can find us on Twitter.

1100
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:18,040
And as always, smile for your mug shot.

1101
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,040
It's probably the best advice I could give you.

1102
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,040
See you guys.

1103
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:31,040
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