1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:15,340 - Hey everybody, welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour. 3 00:00:15,340 --> 00:00:18,420 Hope everybody is having a great weekend. 4 00:00:18,420 --> 00:00:22,020 Today is Sunday, March 24th, 5 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:26,060 and we are going to have a great conversation 6 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:28,620 with Sarah Jade. 7 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:32,100 I know you are familiar with her music over on Wave Lake, 8 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:37,220 and you probably also caught her set at Culture Shock 9 00:00:37,220 --> 00:00:38,860 in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago 10 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:42,340 when she broadcasted it live over Noster. 11 00:00:42,340 --> 00:00:45,020 So we have a great conversation about 12 00:00:45,020 --> 00:00:48,580 surf fans in California and songwriting, 13 00:00:48,580 --> 00:00:53,580 Bitcoin, theater, playing with family members music that is. 14 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:56,860 And it's a great conversation. 15 00:00:56,860 --> 00:00:58,380 I really hope you guys enjoy it. 16 00:00:58,380 --> 00:01:01,720 She is all in, she's doing really well in this space. 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,500 She's got some new stuff coming out pretty soon. 18 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:07,220 So let's kick it off here with one of her songs 19 00:01:07,220 --> 00:01:08,620 that you'll find over on Wave Lake. 20 00:01:08,620 --> 00:01:11,580 This song is called "Never New" 21 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:14,180 and then we will bring her on for the interview. 22 00:01:14,180 --> 00:01:15,780 Cool. 23 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:17,020 Cool, here we go. 24 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:19,600 (upbeat music) 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:28,260 ♪ I ever knew that I wasn't ♪ 26 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:31,740 ♪ Beautiful ♪ 27 00:01:31,740 --> 00:01:35,180 ♪ I never dreamed that I could ♪ 28 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:38,580 ♪ Is shine ♪ 29 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:42,380 ♪ And I never thought ♪ 30 00:01:42,380 --> 00:01:46,820 ♪ All I am is what I'm not ♪ 31 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:50,300 ♪ Never knew ♪ 32 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:55,300 ♪ What I'm never known ♪ 33 00:01:58,220 --> 00:02:03,220 ♪ I never thought that I was perfect ♪ 34 00:02:03,220 --> 00:02:10,660 ♪ Never knew there was a measurement ♪ 35 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:15,980 ♪ And I never dreamed ♪ 36 00:02:15,980 --> 00:02:20,260 ♪ All it is ain't what it seems ♪ 37 00:02:20,260 --> 00:02:24,020 ♪ I never knew ♪ 38 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:28,020 ♪ What I'm never known ♪ 39 00:02:28,020 --> 00:02:30,600 (upbeat music) 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,620 ♪ And these days of trade it ♪ 41 00:02:35,620 --> 00:02:38,900 ♪ Hignorance is shame ♪ 42 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:42,100 ♪ And these days ♪ 43 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:46,620 ♪ I've got no one left to blame ♪ 44 00:02:46,620 --> 00:02:49,940 ♪ These days ♪ 45 00:02:49,940 --> 00:02:54,940 ♪ I'm a hero who can save me from myself ♪ 46 00:02:56,980 --> 00:03:01,980 ♪ But I'm no hero ♪ 47 00:03:01,980 --> 00:03:06,980 ♪ I never knew that I wasn't enough for me ♪ 48 00:03:06,980 --> 00:03:14,300 ♪ I never dreamed that be any less ♪ 49 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:19,900 ♪ Is that I'm she wrong ♪ 50 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:24,140 ♪ All I know is what I don't ♪ 51 00:03:24,140 --> 00:03:27,740 ♪ I never knew ♪ 52 00:03:27,740 --> 00:03:31,580 ♪ What I never know ♪ 53 00:03:31,580 --> 00:03:35,620 ♪ And these days of trade it ♪ 54 00:03:35,620 --> 00:03:38,860 ♪ Hignorance is shame ♪ 55 00:03:38,860 --> 00:03:42,420 ♪ And if I don't change a fear ♪ 56 00:03:42,420 --> 00:03:46,620 ♪ I'll take it to my grade ♪ 57 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:49,900 ♪ And on that day ♪ 58 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:54,900 ♪ I'll look back inside ♪ 59 00:03:54,900 --> 00:04:03,880 ♪ None of it was true ♪ 60 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:09,020 ♪ But I never ♪ 61 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:14,860 ♪ No ♪ 62 00:04:14,860 --> 00:04:17,440 (gentle music) 63 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:31,420 - And that is "Never New" by today's guest 64 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:34,780 from San Diego, California, Sarah Gied. 65 00:04:34,780 --> 00:04:36,740 Sarah, hey, what's up? 66 00:04:36,740 --> 00:04:37,580 Good to see you. 67 00:04:37,580 --> 00:04:39,140 - Hey, thanks for having me. 68 00:04:39,140 --> 00:04:40,740 - Sorry for the false start there. 69 00:04:40,740 --> 00:04:42,340 We got a couple of minutes in and I'm like, 70 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:44,500 "Oh crap, I didn't record this." 71 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:46,260 - No problem. 72 00:04:46,260 --> 00:04:50,340 - So thank you very much for coming on 73 00:04:50,340 --> 00:04:53,380 and talking with us and talking about your music 74 00:04:53,380 --> 00:04:55,700 and Bitcoin and all that kind of stuff. 75 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:58,160 I got a bunch of questions for you. 76 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,580 I know you're in San Diego, 77 00:05:00,580 --> 00:05:03,620 but tell me originally where you're from. 78 00:05:03,620 --> 00:05:06,140 You are from California, originally, correct? 79 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:08,060 - Yes, I'm originally from California 80 00:05:08,060 --> 00:05:12,780 and I was actually grew up in Corona 81 00:05:12,780 --> 00:05:17,780 and originally I was born and first on and off five years 82 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:23,140 of my life, I lived on a boat down a new port beach, 83 00:05:23,140 --> 00:05:24,580 which sounds really bougie. 84 00:05:24,580 --> 00:05:26,300 (laughing) 85 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:28,100 But it's not. 86 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:29,940 I mean, it was great. 87 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:33,580 My dad was a musician six nights a week down 88 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:35,780 at the village in on Bobo Island 89 00:05:35,780 --> 00:05:38,140 and so yeah, it was just right across the bay 90 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:40,980 and then eventually he became a delivery skipper 91 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:44,620 and sailed all over the world and those back kind of thing. 92 00:05:44,620 --> 00:05:47,100 Rich people would buy boats and then say, 93 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:49,860 "Hey, can you sail it across the Atlantic 94 00:05:49,860 --> 00:05:51,580 and come and bring it to me in my Orca?" 95 00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:52,780 Or whatever. 96 00:05:52,780 --> 00:05:56,100 - Did you get to go on the trips with your dad? 97 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:58,820 - I would do little legs of the journey. 98 00:05:58,820 --> 00:06:03,820 So every, my mom and I would fly down to Mexico mostly 99 00:06:03,820 --> 00:06:08,380 and go on different spots and he would port 100 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:11,500 and then as soon as he left the Panama Canal, 101 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:14,980 like went through, then I didn't go on any of those legs 102 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:17,020 but my mom also, she was a corporate buyer 103 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:20,060 so she was traveling all the time too to New York and stuff 104 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:23,260 so we'd get on a little play, hop over to Arizona, 105 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:25,420 drop off the grandparents. 106 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:29,260 - Not, was she a corporate buyer in boats or? 107 00:06:29,260 --> 00:06:32,420 - In, and actually in ties, like in, you know, 108 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:34,660 and Bill blast ties was what she worked for. 109 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:35,740 - Next ties? 110 00:06:35,740 --> 00:06:37,500 - Yeah. - Yeah, nice, next ties. 111 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:41,580 - Wow, that's a jet-setting parents. 112 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:45,660 - Mm-hmm, yeah, they used to talk to each other 113 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:47,940 just through radio as before cell phones. 114 00:06:47,940 --> 00:06:50,900 I mean, you know, my dad would be on three months 115 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:55,900 worth of a sailing trip and I, my mom once had to call 116 00:06:55,900 --> 00:07:01,860 the Coast Guard because he said he would give her a calendar 117 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:05,460 like, "Okay, today I'm arriving in Port here 118 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:08,780 and I will call you on a pay phone to check in." 119 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:12,420 And she would wait for that phone call 120 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:15,540 and then if she didn't get the check in, 121 00:07:15,540 --> 00:07:18,020 yeah, then she'd have to call an alert Coast Guard 122 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:21,900 and say, "Hey, just so you know, don't do anything yet, 123 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:23,980 "my husband was supposed to port here 124 00:07:23,980 --> 00:07:26,500 "and I haven't gotten a check in from him 125 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:28,540 "so I might call you back." 126 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:32,300 And then actually one time the Coast Guard had a play 127 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:35,220 to break on her and she called him back and said, 128 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:38,940 "Hey, I did finally get a call from my dad, 129 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:42,460 "oh, remember my dad, from her husband, my dad." 130 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:46,420 And I got a call from a husband, don't worry, he's fine. 131 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:48,860 And then the Coast Guard on the other hand said, 132 00:07:48,860 --> 00:07:52,500 "Oh, I'm so sorry, ma'am, but the skies are black, 133 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:54,860 "looking for your husband right now. 134 00:07:54,860 --> 00:07:56,580 "We have helicopters, everything's just, 135 00:07:56,580 --> 00:07:58,620 "no, no, no, I told you to wait, I told you to wait." 136 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:01,660 And then they said, "No, I'm just kidding." 137 00:08:01,660 --> 00:08:02,940 Oh my God. 138 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:06,020 Yeah, that's kind of a cruel joke to play. 139 00:08:06,020 --> 00:08:06,860 I know. 140 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:08,700 So bad. 141 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:14,060 But yeah, I got to go on a lot of sailing trips 142 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:18,660 and so boating and music, that was a lot of my upbringing. 143 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:21,100 Now what's the name of the club you dad played at 144 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:22,540 at Belle Bowen Island? 145 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:25,860 Village Inn, it is still, still kicking. 146 00:08:25,860 --> 00:08:26,700 Not the restaurant. 147 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:29,700 Not the restaurant, everyone is like, oh, you mean, yeah, 148 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:31,980 no, not the restaurant, it's called the Village Inn, 149 00:08:31,980 --> 00:08:33,980 it's just a little, it's literally right across 150 00:08:33,980 --> 00:08:36,060 from the fire station on Belle Bowen Island. 151 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:39,820 And yeah, there used to be a little like a red light 152 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:42,900 in the back if they were too loud that would turn on. 153 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:45,820 'Cause there's so much residential ordinance 154 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:48,260 that all the noise. 155 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:49,420 And then I'm done. 156 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:51,260 I'll be a tour of the house. 157 00:08:51,260 --> 00:08:54,100 Yeah, exactly, exactly, but they would rock out 158 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:58,620 and my parents used to just kind of sneak me in sometimes. 159 00:08:58,620 --> 00:08:59,460 Nice. 160 00:08:59,460 --> 00:09:03,500 I was a baby and then, it's California, 161 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:05,300 the laws are pretty loose. 162 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:08,340 Yeah, especially back then, it was, you know, 163 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:10,700 you could still smoke inside back then, you know, 164 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:12,380 it was crazy things. 165 00:09:12,380 --> 00:09:13,460 The good old days. 166 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:14,140 No. 167 00:09:14,140 --> 00:09:15,180 The good old days. 168 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:18,340 I got pictures of me backstage in LA with Jack and Coke 169 00:09:18,340 --> 00:09:21,420 and half pack of mobblos in my mouth. 170 00:09:21,420 --> 00:09:22,420 I missed those days. 171 00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:24,100 (laughing) 172 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:27,420 You're gonna have to ask your dad if he has ever done a gig 173 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:31,300 at the Marine Room in Newport. 174 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:32,700 I will ask him. 175 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:33,700 I will ask him. 176 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:34,500 I don't know. 177 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:35,500 I don't know. 178 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:37,900 My wife and I used to go there a lot. 179 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:40,380 There was a band down there called The Missles of October 180 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:42,820 and we loved that band. 181 00:09:42,820 --> 00:09:44,860 We got asked to play there. 182 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:45,700 We played there. 183 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:48,500 They told us to turn down and they never asked us back. 184 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:50,100 (laughing) 185 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:54,580 Newport, bougie, but it's good times. 186 00:09:54,580 --> 00:09:57,380 Oh, I've been told a Newport not to dance before 187 00:09:57,380 --> 00:10:00,780 because there's a dancing license and there's all kinds of stuff. 188 00:10:00,780 --> 00:10:01,620 What? 189 00:10:01,620 --> 00:10:02,620 What are you like? 190 00:10:02,620 --> 00:10:04,500 Like, Utah with... 191 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:06,220 Like, footloos. 192 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:07,060 What's that? 193 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:08,060 That's my footloos. 194 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:09,060 Exactly. 195 00:10:09,060 --> 00:10:11,740 You're not allowed to dance in Orange County, California. 196 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:13,220 Please do not dance. 197 00:10:13,220 --> 00:10:15,820 Unless we have a dancing license, there is no dancing. 198 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:19,060 I wonder how much, and it's Newport, so it's pretty bougie. 199 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:21,980 So I wonder how much a dancing license costs. 200 00:10:21,980 --> 00:10:23,700 Ooh, I don't even want to know. 201 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:24,540 Oh man. 202 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:26,140 Yeah, 'cause you already have to pay all the, 203 00:10:26,140 --> 00:10:28,220 the cabaret licenses and all of that, 204 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:31,900 and then add on top of the dancing license. 205 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:35,620 There's probably a comma in that license fee. 206 00:10:35,620 --> 00:10:37,060 Mm-hmm, right? 207 00:10:37,060 --> 00:10:40,220 I wonder too if people get, you know, kind of grandfathered in 208 00:10:40,220 --> 00:10:41,220 or not, I'm not sure. 209 00:10:41,220 --> 00:10:42,380 I know what he's on the wharf. 210 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:46,100 Like, they turn into a club basically at night 211 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:47,900 once they shut down dinner, 212 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:49,900 and then people can dance there. 213 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:55,060 Well, yeah, I mean, the county really doesn't care if they fall off 214 00:10:55,060 --> 00:10:56,820 the wharf into the water, right? 215 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:01,580 They don't, you know, as long as they got their licensing fee, 216 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:05,340 well, you can actually ride your dinghy up and park in the dock 217 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:08,900 in the back and then walk up and feel like a real king. 218 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:12,300 That would, that kind of reminds me of the neighborhood 219 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:14,540 in Seattle that we lived in before we moved here. 220 00:11:14,540 --> 00:11:17,660 Like, people would live on one side of the harbor 221 00:11:17,660 --> 00:11:20,020 and then go to the restaurant on the other side. 222 00:11:20,020 --> 00:11:22,820 And I always thought that was, I always thought 223 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:24,260 that was pretty cool, but then again, 224 00:11:24,260 --> 00:11:28,460 like, you know, the stories you hear about the worst day of your life 225 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:32,180 is the day you buy a boat and the best day is the day you sell it, right? 226 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:33,580 Exactly, exactly. 227 00:11:33,580 --> 00:11:38,300 My dad always, he sells boats now and he always calls it B-O-A-T, 228 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:39,940 bring out another thousand. 229 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:42,380 Oh, that's a good one. 230 00:11:42,380 --> 00:11:43,180 I'm gonna steal that. 231 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:44,020 I'm gonna steal that. 232 00:11:44,020 --> 00:11:45,020 Yeah. 233 00:11:45,020 --> 00:11:46,540 I'm gonna steal that. 234 00:11:46,540 --> 00:11:52,500 Well, you, you did a lot of gigs with your dad 235 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:54,420 and you still do, sounds like. 236 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:56,700 What was that? 237 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:59,060 I know how special that is 238 00:11:59,060 --> 00:12:01,300 'cause I'm lucky enough to get to do it with my kid. 239 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:03,300 Like, talk about that for a minute. 240 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:08,340 Like, how'd you start and what memories do you have? 241 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:13,460 So I started, my dad was always gigging throughout my whole life 242 00:12:13,460 --> 00:12:16,780 and as I got older, every so often, 243 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:21,900 I'd go at the American Legion when he wasn't doing nightclubs, 244 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:25,780 then I could go see him and then I would sit in on different songs. 245 00:12:25,780 --> 00:12:30,060 I actually really started gigging with him or not gigging with him, 246 00:12:30,060 --> 00:12:32,940 but I started writing with him when I was nine years old. 247 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:33,780 Oh, cool. 248 00:12:33,780 --> 00:12:37,980 Yeah, and, you know, the spice girls were all the rage 249 00:12:37,980 --> 00:12:40,780 and I had a little group of girls that we were like, 250 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:41,900 we're gonna have a girl band. 251 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:43,460 No one played an instrument with me. 252 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:44,660 All right. 253 00:12:44,660 --> 00:12:46,140 We're gonna have a band, you know? 254 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:47,380 Yeah. 255 00:12:47,380 --> 00:12:50,780 And, like, a sleepover one time and I came up 256 00:12:50,780 --> 00:12:53,500 with my first song and I went up to a dad and I said, 257 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,060 "Dad, I thought of this melody and then we started playing together." 258 00:12:57,060 --> 00:13:03,460 So I started developing my voice pretty young and then I'd go and sing... 259 00:13:03,460 --> 00:13:06,100 That was my one song that I started singing with him 260 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:09,500 every time I'd go to see a show was Nora Jones. 261 00:13:09,500 --> 00:13:11,460 I don't know why. 262 00:13:11,460 --> 00:13:13,100 And that was my song. 263 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:16,500 I would get up there and, "Oh, okay, we're gonna sing Nora Jones now." 264 00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:18,500 And my dad's band went out on me. 265 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:19,540 Yeah. 266 00:13:19,540 --> 00:13:20,540 Tear Jerk or right? 267 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:21,540 Yeah. 268 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:24,660 And then once I turned 21, I could play anywhere with him. 269 00:13:24,660 --> 00:13:29,100 So, did that for about 10 years more consistently. 270 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:31,860 Kind of cut my teeth doing that. 271 00:13:31,860 --> 00:13:37,180 And eventually moved down San Diego and my husband and I play together now. 272 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:43,460 But my dad, I would play with him and then his drummer from... 273 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:46,420 He's known since he was 17. 274 00:13:46,420 --> 00:13:53,100 And back in the day from their old surf band, the Newport No Mads, the original Newport No Mads. 275 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:54,100 Nice. 276 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:58,020 They are in the Huntington Beach, I think it's a surfer museum. 277 00:13:58,020 --> 00:14:02,820 There are pictures there because they had a local hit called Blue Mallard. 278 00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:04,820 And yeah, they have... 279 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:05,820 Actually, it's funny. 280 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:07,820 I looked them up on... 281 00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:11,020 I think it was Spotify or something. 282 00:14:11,020 --> 00:14:12,620 Anyway, they had more listens than me. 283 00:14:12,620 --> 00:14:13,620 It was great. 284 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:16,420 Well, that's funny. 285 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:19,220 Well, I'm going to use Blue Mallard as the chapter. 286 00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:20,220 I'm going to find it. 287 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:22,220 I'll use it as the chapter pick. 288 00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:23,220 Yeah. 289 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:24,220 Yeah. 290 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:25,220 Blue Mallard. 291 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:30,620 And they're still in surf history, surf music history books. 292 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:35,020 Like, I have just these big things every so often. 293 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:37,660 So my dad's drummer, Tom Fitzgerald, they're still in contact there. 294 00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:39,820 I mean, he's basically like my godfather. 295 00:14:39,820 --> 00:14:41,100 I used to play with him. 296 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:43,900 Yeah, he's just the best. 297 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:44,900 He'll send my dad. 298 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:46,780 He's like, "Oh, we're in another book." 299 00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:49,340 And then we'll go through and see all these old pictures. 300 00:14:49,340 --> 00:14:51,220 And it's just crazy. 301 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:59,900 But my dad just kind of brought me in and I got to play with his band and eventually just 302 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:04,380 do Elk Slaage, American Legion, Yacht Clubs, all of the fun. 303 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:07,740 I think Garth Brooks called it... 304 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:08,740 What did he call it? 305 00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:12,820 He said, "A safari tour or something where you just play mousse lodge, Elk's club." 306 00:15:12,820 --> 00:15:13,820 You know, all that stuff. 307 00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:14,820 Oh, that's a funny... 308 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:17,260 Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. 309 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:18,260 Yeah. 310 00:15:18,260 --> 00:15:22,420 And I said, "Yeah, that's pretty much what I do with my dad." 311 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:25,780 And we still do the occasional gig together. 312 00:15:25,780 --> 00:15:31,660 I mean, he's up for 70s and still rocking it. 313 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:32,660 That's good. 314 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:33,660 Good for him. 315 00:15:33,660 --> 00:15:34,660 Yeah. 316 00:15:34,660 --> 00:15:35,660 He's awesome. 317 00:15:35,660 --> 00:15:38,300 He can still play the guitar behind his head, which is pretty cool. 318 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:39,300 Wow. 319 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:40,300 Yeah. 320 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:41,980 So Arthritis is not a thing for him. 321 00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:42,980 Oh, no. 322 00:15:42,980 --> 00:15:43,980 Oh my gosh. 323 00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:44,980 It adds an amazing shape. 324 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:47,420 But I think it's all that sailing, too. 325 00:15:47,420 --> 00:15:48,620 Yeah, it could be. 326 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:52,380 All that saltwater, right? 327 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:58,820 It's invaluable when a young musician gets to play with people that have been gigging for 328 00:15:58,820 --> 00:16:00,820 30, 40. 329 00:16:00,820 --> 00:16:01,820 So true. 330 00:16:01,820 --> 00:16:07,420 Like you pick up things so quickly in that environment. 331 00:16:07,420 --> 00:16:15,660 And I think the cool thing about playing places, like the American Legion and all those different 332 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:19,620 types of places is that there's random people that will come in that you're like, "Who's 333 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:20,620 that? 334 00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:21,620 That's crazy." 335 00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:27,900 Like the original members from train came in and just got to hear them play. 336 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:32,780 And then they were all laughing because they were like, "Huh, everyone thinks that we're 337 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:34,780 covering this song." 338 00:16:34,780 --> 00:16:35,780 Yeah. 339 00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:36,780 And it's actually their song. 340 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:37,780 Yeah. 341 00:16:37,780 --> 00:16:40,500 And you get to just randomly sit in with these people. 342 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:48,060 One time a guy that had toured with Stevie Wonder, he came in and just sat in with my dad's 343 00:16:48,060 --> 00:16:50,020 band and I happened to be sitting in, too. 344 00:16:50,020 --> 00:16:51,060 So I got to play with him. 345 00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:55,980 And just all these crazy things and experiences happen that you're, you never want to be the smartest 346 00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:57,740 person in the room or the best musician. 347 00:16:57,740 --> 00:17:02,060 You always want to be elevated by other people. 348 00:17:02,060 --> 00:17:03,060 Yeah. 349 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:08,740 If you are the best musician in the band, quit the band. 350 00:17:08,740 --> 00:17:09,740 Yeah. 351 00:17:09,740 --> 00:17:10,740 100%. 352 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:13,980 It really does not benefit you. 353 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:16,220 It should not be the smartest person in the room. 354 00:17:16,220 --> 00:17:22,020 Always, always let yourself be the smallest fish around big fish and learn how to swim. 355 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:23,020 Yeah. 356 00:17:23,020 --> 00:17:25,860 I mean, you're learning so much in that environment. 357 00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:31,020 Can you pinpoint like one thing that you would just say, you know what? 358 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:37,460 Like this was the biggest thing I learned from playing with all those old farts. 359 00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:44,500 I think the communication, truly, the, the synergy of communication when you're on stage. 360 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:49,580 And a lot of times that band, the band that I would play with my dad, they weren't always 361 00:17:49,580 --> 00:17:50,580 a consistent band. 362 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:53,340 You know, people had lives and families and do all their things. 363 00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:55,860 So they didn't always, they didn't get to rehearse. 364 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:58,860 It was pretty much everybody just coming together. 365 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:04,300 And the viewing of other people, like, hey, this is what we're going to do. 366 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:12,780 And also that being so relaxed and understanding that it's called playing, it's not called working. 367 00:18:12,780 --> 00:18:13,780 Yeah. 368 00:18:13,780 --> 00:18:18,820 And allowing that to be the soul focus and giving that to the audience. 369 00:18:18,820 --> 00:18:24,020 I mean, because growing up, you know, I was, you know, I was 14 randomly coming in and sitting 370 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:35,060 in, I'm all nervous and just to see how in the element everybody was and allowing themselves 371 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:38,700 to play with the music a little bit, right? 372 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:41,300 So we're covering stuff from the record, right? 373 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:49,220 But allowing yourself to make it your own and infuse a little bit of you within that entertainment 374 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:54,580 space and within that imitation space too. 375 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:55,740 Oh my gosh. 376 00:18:55,740 --> 00:19:01,260 I just realized how you could not just have to be exactly a carbon copy of everything that 377 00:19:01,260 --> 00:19:05,740 you hear, but actually get to live and breathe it. 378 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:07,300 And I'm a musical theater person. 379 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:09,660 So to me, that was just like, yes, so great. 380 00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:16,540 It's all like a live performance and we get to be partly ourselves, but also a character. 381 00:19:16,540 --> 00:19:20,780 And learning from them that way was incredible. 382 00:19:20,780 --> 00:19:27,180 Well you started writing at nine and you said you're a musical theater person. 383 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:32,820 Like did you, did you go to school for it or plays in high school university? 384 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:33,820 I did. 385 00:19:33,820 --> 00:19:34,820 What? 386 00:19:34,820 --> 00:19:40,500 Yeah, I did a community theater for, yeah, throughout my childhood and teenage hood. 387 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:48,940 And I did, you know, by by birdie and actually in college, I did grease and scrooge and all 388 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:51,340 of the fun things. 389 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:56,740 Because I loved to dance and sing and act and all that stuff, I actually had this thought 390 00:19:56,740 --> 00:19:59,820 for a while as a kid that I was going to be an actress. 391 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:01,980 I really wanted to be an actress. 392 00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:16,100 And then I got to college and the only thing they offered for theater was dramatic plays, 393 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:17,620 no music. 394 00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:25,380 And I said, yeah, and I was like, oh, I don't think it's the acting thing that sparks my interest. 395 00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:26,380 Okay. 396 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:27,380 I love music. 397 00:20:27,380 --> 00:20:28,380 I love to move and dance. 398 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:32,260 I like to run around the stage. 399 00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:34,700 I like to embody that character. 400 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:37,940 I call myself a professional ham. 401 00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:39,940 I mean, really, I've learned from the best. 402 00:20:39,940 --> 00:20:43,060 I came, my dad. 403 00:20:43,060 --> 00:20:46,060 And I realized that that was it for me. 404 00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:52,660 I was like, this is, and I'd been writing songs always just, but I never considered it as 405 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:55,100 this is the career path. 406 00:20:55,100 --> 00:21:00,540 I obviously saw my dad doing shows, but he had other, you know, he was doing delivery skipper 407 00:21:00,540 --> 00:21:02,220 and I became a young pro girl, that stuff. 408 00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:08,780 So I didn't realize like that was what I really, really wanted to do until college. 409 00:21:08,780 --> 00:21:13,380 And then I kind of put my mind to it more seriously. 410 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:19,180 And then I ended up doing education and my background is also in educational counseling. 411 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:22,020 Got my last words in that, all of those things. 412 00:21:22,020 --> 00:21:23,020 Oh, cool. 413 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,260 Where'd you get your undergrad? 414 00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:27,100 My undergrad was at UC Riverside. 415 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:28,100 Okay. 416 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:30,100 And then where'd you get your masters? 417 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,100 University of Redlands. 418 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:34,100 Oh, in Linne and Pire, Cal. 419 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:35,100 Yeah, you are. 420 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:36,100 The 909, baby. 421 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:40,740 And I still have, I still got to keep that 909. 422 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:44,580 We got changed to 951 and I was like, I'm not changing by now. 423 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:46,740 Yeah, changing in and over. 424 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:51,700 Well, so when you made that transition in college of saying, all right, I'm going to be 425 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:55,780 serious about songwriting. 426 00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:57,780 Talk about your songwriting process. 427 00:21:57,780 --> 00:22:00,540 Like, are you lyrics first? 428 00:22:00,540 --> 00:22:02,940 Are you music first? 429 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:05,540 Do you tend to write autobiographical? 430 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:09,300 Like, how do you approach it? 431 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:16,820 So when I first started writing, just lyrics and melody came to me both simultaneously, 432 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:19,540 just instantly. 433 00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:24,420 When I first started writing music, I should say, because before that, I was mostly writing 434 00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:27,140 poetry or short stories. 435 00:22:27,140 --> 00:22:30,020 And then eventually it all came together. 436 00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:34,060 I would say now I have a mix. 437 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:42,180 Sometimes I wake up before in the morning and I sing myself weird, frog throat melodies. 438 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:44,820 Like that. 439 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:45,820 Yeah. 440 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:47,820 I was like, what? 441 00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:48,820 Yeah. 442 00:22:48,820 --> 00:22:49,820 That's a great record. 443 00:22:49,820 --> 00:22:50,820 That'll be a hit. 444 00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:52,820 Yeah, 100 percent. 445 00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:58,660 One day, and just got a roll, just some creepy Halloween song. 446 00:22:58,660 --> 00:23:01,500 And then I'll put lyrics to it later. 447 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:08,180 But a lot of the times, when I sit down to write, it's never necessarily autobiographical 448 00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:14,380 in the sense that I've decided to write about something that happened in my life. 449 00:23:14,380 --> 00:23:20,860 I think what happens for me is that through the process of writing, I then realize what 450 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:22,740 it's about. 451 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:29,460 So sometimes it's about my own life, sometimes it's a bit about my life and then things 452 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:34,420 I've ingested, stories I've ingested, overboard, for example. 453 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:38,380 I had two friends going through major breakups. 454 00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:44,660 And then of course we all can relate to those types of stories. 455 00:23:44,660 --> 00:23:47,020 But as I was going, and obviously I grew up on the water. 456 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:48,940 So water is a huge theme for me. 457 00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:51,980 It just kind of comes into a lot. 458 00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:55,180 Obviously my EP is called "Sink or Swim." 459 00:23:55,180 --> 00:23:57,340 I can't get away from that. 460 00:23:57,340 --> 00:23:59,980 And I see it a lot on your social media. 461 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:04,860 I mean, it's easy to use the beaches when you're in San Diego, right? 462 00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:05,860 Yeah. 463 00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:12,580 It's a, I am geographically very fortunate that way. 464 00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:21,500 But when I sit down to write, it just ends up coming to me later as I read through it. 465 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:26,820 It's almost like being able to step outside of my own life and take a bird's eye view and 466 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:28,940 see what the lesson is. 467 00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:35,260 Actually, when I was in theater in college, I took a theater theory class and something 468 00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:40,060 that's always stayed with me a couple of things from theater theory. 469 00:24:40,060 --> 00:24:48,580 One is that when you go to, at least in acting, go to act something out that is close to your 470 00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:57,180 life, they actually suggest not to do that because you haven't sat down to process through 471 00:24:57,180 --> 00:24:58,180 what that has meant. 472 00:24:58,180 --> 00:25:02,100 So you can't exactly impart a lot of wisdom upon that piece. 473 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:07,740 And sometimes you can get lost within that piece if you haven't processed it. 474 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:11,660 And I find that that really applies in songwriting. 475 00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:15,980 I feel like you can write something in the moment. 476 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:22,740 And then if you can come back to it later and impart some sort of, it doesn't always have 477 00:25:22,740 --> 00:25:25,900 to be wisdom, just a little bit of clarity. 478 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:31,220 You know, giving yourself a moment to breathe away from that feeling, like get it out, get 479 00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:37,060 the emotion out immediately, but then take a step back and then see what you've learned 480 00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:41,740 from it or just see it with a little bit of hindsight. 481 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:48,300 I think it really helps to create better art because it's what I want to give to people 482 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,780 at least just a little bit of moment of clarity. 483 00:25:50,780 --> 00:25:55,380 It's not like I'm on the other side of the river just knowing all. 484 00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:59,060 I'm certainly treading water with other people. 485 00:25:59,060 --> 00:26:06,500 But I just personally, I come to art for that little bit of hope or clarity or to feel through 486 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:08,340 it with me. 487 00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:09,620 And that's what I try to do. 488 00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:15,260 The other thing that I thought was really cool in theater theory was that you actually go 489 00:26:15,260 --> 00:26:19,980 through a script and you'll mark the beats, quote unquote, the beats where you have a beat 490 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:24,420 change, which you can have in the middle of a sentence, like all of a sentence, like you 491 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:30,660 have a line that changes emotion in the middle of it and I find that really relevant to music 492 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:33,380 as well because it's a performance at the end of the day. 493 00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:40,460 And of course, when you do vocal and lyrical, it's very lyrical centered and you want to 494 00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:45,860 be able to honor recording in part exactly what that meant. 495 00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:50,900 And so if you sing it softly versus loudly, we have all of those elements in music. 496 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:58,420 But if you allow the note to be a little imperfect because that's what it's supposed to be, allowing 497 00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:04,740 those performance elements to come out, that's really important for me too. 498 00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:10,780 And so by taking a step back from what I've written down just initially, I can go through 499 00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:17,540 and see those pieces, I always say there's no well written song or anything in literature's 500 00:27:17,540 --> 00:27:20,180 only a well rewritten piece. 501 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:22,500 Yeah, that's a good point. 502 00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:28,700 And it always, yeah, and it interests me too, how songwriters, myself included, although 503 00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:34,340 it's been a while, you write something and you think it means this, but then over time, 504 00:27:34,340 --> 00:27:37,420 you're like, you know what, I really think it means that. 505 00:27:37,420 --> 00:27:38,420 So true. 506 00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:43,900 And I come back to songs that I've written the past night and I hear them differently. 507 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:44,900 Yeah. 508 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:49,220 I think that's the cool thing about recording too is that you actually then get to, it's 509 00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:52,540 when you're performing it, you're in the moments. 510 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:57,980 But when you get to step back and listen to it maybe later, it just comes up on your playlist 511 00:27:57,980 --> 00:28:03,060 and you didn't go to select it to go listen to your song, you just came up. 512 00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:09,820 And then you listen as an observer and you're like, oh, I never thought about that. 513 00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:16,540 Or there's things that come together that are so, they're unintentional, but somehow they 514 00:28:16,540 --> 00:28:20,620 just resonate. 515 00:28:20,620 --> 00:28:26,060 The lead singer of semi sonic, he actually talks about, he had an interview and he said that 516 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:28,620 no good song is about just one thing. 517 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:31,380 It's always about two things at once at least. 518 00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:34,860 And I love, double entendre, triple entendre, all that stuff. 519 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:40,420 And when I take a step back and I'm able to listen to some of my music or even just music 520 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:45,420 that other people have made that I used to love and meant something to me in one moment 521 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:49,700 and mean something completely different to me now, I think that's the coolest thing. 522 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:55,220 Sometimes those entendres are actually completely unintentional, but then you get to take 523 00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:56,220 credit for it. 524 00:28:56,220 --> 00:29:01,180 Or the artist always gets to own what everybody interprets, right? 525 00:29:01,180 --> 00:29:07,460 So yeah, that's my writing process is kind of organic in that sense. 526 00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:12,660 But I really like to explore ideas of just pushing yourself to song right too. 527 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:15,960 It's been a newer thing for me in the last four years of just saying, I'm just going to sit 528 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,560 down and do this. 529 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,560 Right now. 530 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,800 And here's a prompt. 531 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:27,860 I have ten words and I get to use five of them in a song and let's just put it to task. 532 00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:31,060 And that's the coolest things come out from that. 533 00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:34,620 Yeah, you know, the treat, and that is still an art. 534 00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:41,140 You know, I mean, you could argue that that really is the way a lot of Nashville operates. 535 00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:45,880 You get three people in a room tomorrow at one o'clock and they're like, all right, who's 536 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,880 got an idea? 537 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,880 Right? 538 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,860 And they bang out a song and they bang out a song in three hours and they're like, all right, 539 00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:52,860 peace out. 540 00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:53,860 I got to go. 541 00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:55,620 I got another right in an hour, right? 542 00:29:55,620 --> 00:30:01,420 And I think that it's fascinating to look at it that way. 543 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:04,900 If you're a purist, you can sit there and say, well, you're not really making art. 544 00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,500 You're just making a commodity. 545 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:12,400 But if you're really on your game and you're good at writing, that's a pretty cool process 546 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,420 to be able to employ. 547 00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:18,480 A hundred percent, a hundred percent. 548 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:27,180 Actually, speaking of Nashville, there is a gal that runs song fancy and it was something 549 00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:30,620 I discovered on Pinterest over COVID. 550 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:33,380 And she does a five and five challenge. 551 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:37,420 And it was the first time I had done something like that where she says, okay, you have 552 00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:44,860 five days, kick your inner critic, say goodbye to perfectionism and just make yourself 553 00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:47,540 write five songs in five days. 554 00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:48,540 Just do it. 555 00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:55,980 Give yourself a limit, one hour and just pour it all out. 556 00:30:55,980 --> 00:31:01,580 And I know Wilco does the same thing, just write a bunch and then you're bound to get a 557 00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:03,100 gem in there somewhere. 558 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:06,700 But I think it's such a neat craft. 559 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:12,380 And it's such a great skill to have because I think every songwriter's biggest fear is that 560 00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:16,940 all of a sudden the inspiration will just go away. 561 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:17,940 I would agree. 562 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:21,540 No, you can, yeah, you can always find it. 563 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:22,540 It is there. 564 00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:24,020 It's just waiting to be tapped. 565 00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:29,860 And I think sometimes, you know, because you have those moments where all of a sudden you 566 00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:31,580 just get struck by stuff. 567 00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:39,660 I mean, Brandon Flowers said that for, I think it was when we were young or something, there 568 00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:44,620 was a few songs where he said, yeah, honestly, the lyrics just fell out of me. 569 00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:48,620 And then I was like, okay, I guess I need to sit down and write this and finish it out, 570 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:49,620 right? 571 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:51,140 And we all have that. 572 00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:53,860 And that's why my voice memos are so embarrassing. 573 00:31:53,860 --> 00:31:55,460 It's all good. 574 00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:59,180 And for those who don't know, for those who don't know who Brandon Flowers is, he's 575 00:31:59,180 --> 00:32:02,740 lead singer and lead songwriter for the killers. 576 00:32:02,740 --> 00:32:03,940 The killers, yeah. 577 00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:04,940 Yeah. 578 00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:08,020 And it amazes me too, like the process of writing out. 579 00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:16,420 Sometimes, you know, you'll go through a good luck streak, let's call it, and you'll pound 580 00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:20,860 out a couple in a month and then you'll be like, then you go through a dry spell for four, 581 00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:23,260 five months, right? 582 00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:25,020 And then, or at least that, that's the way it was. 583 00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:26,020 Oh, so true. 584 00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:32,540 For me, it was, you know, and then all of a sudden it just pops back out again. 585 00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:37,020 And I'm, and I never want to know what songs are about. 586 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:41,420 Like if, if I like the song, I'm going to, I'm going to attach my own meaning to it. 587 00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:45,060 I don't want to know, you know, that's you. 588 00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:46,060 Thank you. 589 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:47,060 I know. 590 00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:49,900 I am so many people. 591 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:54,100 I'm so similar because people will say, what's this about? 592 00:32:54,100 --> 00:33:00,820 And I, I, I, I, I clam up because I don't really want to say because it has a meaning to me, 593 00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:05,460 but even then, I don't want to ruin it for anybody else in the sense that I feel really 594 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:11,500 art is just, it's put out there for you to digest and then infuse your own meaning upon 595 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:12,500 it. 596 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:17,500 I just feel like music, especially that is created. 597 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:23,460 It is a form of altruism in that sense that it can be very uniquely your own. 598 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:24,820 And I don't want to spoil that. 599 00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:26,860 I know R.E.M. does the same thing. 600 00:33:26,860 --> 00:33:28,820 They're like, I don't want to talk about my lyrics. 601 00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:29,820 Yeah. 602 00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:30,820 Don't follow me. 603 00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:33,020 They're like, no, no, no. 604 00:33:33,020 --> 00:33:36,580 Actually, they had an interview where it was funny. 605 00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:42,500 They said that sometimes during concerts, they would get fan mail and during their tours, 606 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,460 they would just sing other people's lyrics that they thought that they were singing because 607 00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:48,620 they're like, sometimes they're better. 608 00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:49,620 Yeah. 609 00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:51,740 Which is hilarious to me. 610 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:55,420 The days are for lyric books and song. 611 00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:56,420 Yeah. 612 00:33:56,420 --> 00:34:01,420 And going to the mall and buying the sheet music and things like that. 613 00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:04,340 It's a whole process of it. 614 00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:05,340 I just adore it. 615 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:08,700 I just can't get enough of it. 616 00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:14,060 And I always love talking to writers such as yourself because I'm curious where it comes 617 00:34:14,060 --> 00:34:17,620 from, how you view it, what you think about it. 618 00:34:17,620 --> 00:34:26,220 Because somebody could take a song like All Apology or Overboard and it might remind them 619 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:35,180 of a great day they had in North Carolina or it might remind them of a high school friend. 620 00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:37,420 And that's not what you wrote the song about. 621 00:34:37,420 --> 00:34:42,500 But who are you to interfere with that memory? 622 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:43,500 Right? 623 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:45,300 Exactly. 624 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:51,500 At the end of the day, you create something you put out in the world and then you in a way 625 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:56,060 just relinquish ownership of what it has to be about. 626 00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:59,460 You really, yeah, you don't want to taint anyone's memories. 627 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:01,620 And especially that of your own songs. 628 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:10,260 If they find it, they love it or maybe they find it, they love it, they fell in love to it 629 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:12,660 and then they broke up with that person. 630 00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:16,660 Now they hate your songs or reminds you of that person like, I'm not going to spoil that 631 00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:17,660 memory. 632 00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:18,660 Great. 633 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:19,660 I hate Sarah James. 634 00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:22,660 It's a chapter reminds me of my girlfriend. 635 00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:24,660 Oh, that's right. 636 00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:28,660 You can't win that argument. 637 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:29,660 No, you can't. 638 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:33,660 And at the same time, it's like, well, you are just your chapter in their life. 639 00:35:33,660 --> 00:35:34,660 Great. 640 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:38,100 That's pretty cool that you're at the forefront of someone's mind that way. 641 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,100 Yeah. 642 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,100 That's what tell us. 643 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,100 Let's see. 644 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,100 All right. 645 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:49,340 So we've gone from, we got a little bit of your nine year old crashing stages at the, at 646 00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:58,100 the most lodge into writing songs and musical theater and understanding composition. 647 00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:05,340 Now let's, now let's move into the, the full band here known as the Jade theory. 648 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:10,660 Tell us about the band and, and what you guys do around town. 649 00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:12,500 So yeah, we're a five piece band. 650 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,620 We do all of my stuff, all my original music. 651 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:22,940 I'm the lead singer, songwriter and, uh, so we go by Sarah Jade and the Jade theory and 652 00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:24,440 we play pop rock mostly. 653 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,700 I think it's really how it comes out. 654 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,620 Basically, it just amplifies all of that again. 655 00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:36,780 I get to play with great people that have played for a long time and they elevate me. 656 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:42,820 And I get to hear now and what I've learned a lot from them is the potential of your own 657 00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:46,060 music to reach new heights, right? 658 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:53,580 So I've played as an acoustic duo with, uh, my husband for a long time and he's a rhythm 659 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:54,580 guitarist. 660 00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:57,700 So we were able to get away, you know, without a drummer and I played the guitar and so we 661 00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:00,500 had keys and some things going on. 662 00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:05,620 But when you, then you venture into a whole band, it's like, oh my gosh, it opens up all 663 00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:12,380 these doors, uh, to your own ideas for your own music for production and, uh, really rock 664 00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:15,660 and I am a rock girl the way I love it. 665 00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:22,220 I grew up listening to alternative rock and yeah, my, my main radio station grown up was 666 00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:24,460 a K rock, actually. 667 00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:26,060 Kevin and me. 668 00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:27,060 Kevin and me. 669 00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:29,260 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 670 00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:30,260 Ah, yes. 671 00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:31,260 Thank you. 672 00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:37,500 Well, I lived there from 95 to 03. 673 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,900 So I was, yeah, I, oh, yeah. 674 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:47,540 Kevin a bean and K L O S and 101.9, which went away and yeah. 675 00:37:47,540 --> 00:37:48,740 Yes, yes. 676 00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:54,460 Uh, so that was, that was really, and also because I have, like, um, that auto voice, I was 677 00:37:54,460 --> 00:38:00,780 mostly only able to sing along with alternative rock male vocals. 678 00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:01,780 Yeah. 679 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:05,540 Uh, and that's where it's kind of, and I learned a lot of harmonies from them and all kinds 680 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:06,540 of stuff. 681 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:14,580 Uh, but yeah, so with my full band now having that ability to just have that complete sound, 682 00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:19,860 oh my gosh, it just blows your mind and you get so excited about it. 683 00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:26,100 And now it's made me a better producer, I would say, you know, not that I'm, you know, 684 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:31,380 all, all expert at all, but I've learned a lot now being able to have access to players 685 00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:32,780 and say, hey, can you play that now? 686 00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:34,180 I'm hearing new things. 687 00:38:34,180 --> 00:38:41,860 So now if I have a, dry spell in the lyrical writing, I definitely have a flood of musical 688 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:48,700 ideas, but I just never would have been able to hear it possible for me, at least, without 689 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:54,100 already just having access to players and, um, just knowing what it, what it can sound 690 00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:55,340 like. 691 00:38:55,340 --> 00:38:58,140 And it's been really inspiring too. 692 00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:03,380 I think that it's allowed me to start to craft, you know, more of my sound as a full band 693 00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:07,900 that would be more of that pop rock for a lack of a better term because we're always redefining 694 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,460 genres these days. 695 00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:10,460 Yeah. 696 00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:16,940 And I do have that, you know, Americana kind of voice, that style, uh, in there, but with 697 00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:20,300 that band, it is leaning more towards rock, which I really love. 698 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:22,620 That's, you know, that's my passion. 699 00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:27,180 I just, I, like I said, professional ham, like to run around on stage just way. 700 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:31,020 I ditched the keyboard and went for guitar, you know, yeah. 701 00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:38,700 I am based electric guitar drums, rather than guitar, guitar, you know, I, uh, I'm looking 702 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:39,700 at your Instagram here. 703 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:43,100 I mean, you guys are definitely making the rounds around Southern California. 704 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:44,420 I mean, you're in Corona. 705 00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:45,420 You're in insanitas. 706 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:46,980 You're down in San Diego. 707 00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:52,300 You're at, you're up in Orange County at the fair, Escondito, right wood, like you guys are 708 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:53,300 all open. 709 00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:54,300 We're good for you. 710 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:55,300 Yeah. 711 00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,300 This weekend, I think we're, we're close. 712 00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:58,460 It's basically Julian. 713 00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:02,380 We're out at a place called, uh, Josie's Hide Out, which is really cool. 714 00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:08,740 Uh, in the middle, I think it's San Yisabel and it's just this, like, biker bar that basically 715 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:11,420 people go for these beautiful rides through the country. 716 00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:15,380 I stopped there on my way home, like my drive home from Havisoo one time after visiting 717 00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:18,300 my family and it's a really cool place. 718 00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:22,540 And you just go out in the middle of the road. 719 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:26,940 There's this hideout and start playing rock music. 720 00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:27,940 So cool. 721 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:28,940 Nice. 722 00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:31,380 Out in the middle of nowhere and you can crank it up. 723 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:32,380 Yeah. 724 00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:33,380 For sure. 725 00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:34,780 No, no noise ordinance. 726 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:35,780 Yeah. 727 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:36,780 Nice. 728 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:37,780 No dancing permits. 729 00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:41,100 Um, no dancing permits. 730 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:47,940 And you're also, and you're also up right now for a San Diego music award, right? 731 00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:48,940 Yes, I am. 732 00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:49,940 Yeah. 733 00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:50,940 Up for a San Diego music award. 734 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:56,940 And I also never knew that you played, uh, just is now, uh, it's an international songwriting 735 00:40:56,940 --> 00:40:59,220 competition semi-finalist this year. 736 00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:01,220 So exciting. 737 00:41:01,220 --> 00:41:02,220 Exciting. 738 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:03,220 Thanks. 739 00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:04,220 Yeah. 740 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:05,220 Thank you. 741 00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:07,740 But San Diego music awards are going to be at the end of April and I'm really excited for 742 00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:10,220 that nominee for Best Pop Artist, which. 743 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:11,220 Oh, that's very cool. 744 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:12,220 Oh, pop artist. 745 00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:13,220 Pop rock. 746 00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:20,060 Have you, have you run into an artist down there from San Diego by the name of Evan Diamond? 747 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,060 Yes. 748 00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:24,220 I know Evan, Evan Diamond and her wife. 749 00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:25,220 Right on. 750 00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:26,220 My friends. 751 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:27,220 No kidding. 752 00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:28,220 It's a small world. 753 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:30,220 She played a, uh, I have a buddy. 754 00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:31,220 Yeah. 755 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:38,940 Um, I have a buddy who owns a vineyard over in, um, oh, he's going to kill me for not. 756 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:42,780 Where's the Southern California place where all those stinkin vineyards are? 757 00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:44,420 Oh, to Macula. 758 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:45,620 To Macula. 759 00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:53,180 He's got a, he's got a vineyard over in, to Macula and, um, Evan and my daughter played 760 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:58,500 a gig at that vineyard and we were looking for somebody to open up and a buddy of mine who 761 00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:03,900 works at a rather famous guitar company up the street from you, um, said, oh, you ought 762 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:04,900 to call Evan. 763 00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:05,900 She's great. 764 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:06,900 You know, put her on the bill. 765 00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:07,900 Yeah. 766 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:08,900 So yeah. 767 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:09,900 Yeah. 768 00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:10,900 She's awesome. 769 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:11,900 Yeah. 770 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:12,900 Yeah. 771 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:14,900 And she's won some San Diego music awards and stuff too. 772 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:15,900 Yeah. 773 00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:16,900 Exactly. 774 00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:17,900 That's why I brought it up. 775 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:18,900 Like I was like, San Diego music awards. 776 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:20,180 Like Evan won that thing. 777 00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:21,180 So. 778 00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:22,180 Yes. 779 00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:23,740 She's so awesome. 780 00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:30,460 And, uh, I just saw her and Reina, uh, playing at, nah, I'm actually this year. 781 00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:31,460 Small world. 782 00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:32,460 Yeah. 783 00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:38,860 Next time you know, next time you bumped into her, tell her, uh, tell her I said, hi. 784 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:44,180 Tell her my daughter says, hi, I'm going to tell her to get on wave. 785 00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:45,700 Like that's what my daughter said. 786 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:46,700 Yeah. 787 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:47,700 Exactly. 788 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:48,700 We got to get her into V for V. 789 00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:52,700 So that, hey, nice segue, by the way, nice segue. 790 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:58,900 Um, how did, let's talk about Bitcoin and how you got in and, and how you got your music 791 00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:59,900 into this space? 792 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,900 How did that all start? 793 00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:11,260 So it started with music last summer, uh, but before then, uh, my husband, he's, you know, 794 00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:13,700 been maybe not a part of the community. 795 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:18,620 You know, we've been invested in Bitcoin for a while and, uh, listen to all the podcasts 796 00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:24,460 and all of the things and then podcasting 2.0 came around and then, uh, through that and 797 00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:30,300 listening, uh, on fountain, there was one episode and we heard about wave lake and he said, 798 00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:32,780 you know, you should check this out. 799 00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:37,260 So this last summer in 2023, I was like, wow, this looks amazing. 800 00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:40,780 Yes, 100% I'm putting my music up here. 801 00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:45,460 And as soon as I did, I just got so much more engagement than I've ever gotten anywhere 802 00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:47,460 else. 803 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:55,100 And I just, yeah, and then I got on Nostor after that and started just posting. 804 00:43:55,100 --> 00:44:00,060 It's like, why, why would I just keep putting on Spotify and to the ether for, 805 00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:06,380 barely anyone to listen to or to have to pay for, uh, playlists to accept me, you know, 806 00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:07,620 those kinds of things. 807 00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:12,460 And with wave, yeah, that's, that's the other thing is you can, you go in the red so much with 808 00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:14,820 all of that as an independent artist. 809 00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:18,940 Some people have a lot of success and that's great, uh, but it's, it's pretty hard and with 810 00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:22,700 wave lake, it has just been incredible. 811 00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:27,420 And it's the, the first place I really felt like I've had a true audience and, and, I mean, 812 00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:32,540 true fan ship compared to just vanity streams, right? 813 00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:37,660 That's, yeah, with the algorithm and all of those things, they do call them vanity statistics 814 00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:38,700 because that's what they are. 815 00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:43,620 You can technically just pay for them in a way and all of that. 816 00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:50,100 But with, with wave lake, you really, you get true actual value from people that listen 817 00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:51,660 to you, that boost you. 818 00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:53,380 I love that people can comment. 819 00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:56,660 Now I actually can go and see what they think. 820 00:44:56,660 --> 00:45:02,500 But, you know, it's, yeah, and it's better than Instagram where I can't see anything either, 821 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:03,500 right? 822 00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,500 Yeah, hearts and likes. 823 00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,500 The more algorithms. 824 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:06,500 Wee! 825 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:07,500 Yeah, hearts and likes. 826 00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:08,500 Yay. 827 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:11,940 And it really doesn't, um, I mean shit. 828 00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:12,940 Really? 829 00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:13,940 Yeah. 830 00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:20,580 And it doesn't ask people for a lot, right, to just give you a like real quick on a, on a 831 00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,580 post. 832 00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:29,540 In that sense, it's like they may do it real quick as a automatic reflex and then forget 833 00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:30,540 about you. 834 00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:36,460 But with value for value and wave lake and being able to actually comment and put a value 835 00:45:36,460 --> 00:45:43,100 on the things that you're going to say to the artist, to the podcaster, to all of the 836 00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:46,500 people that you want to engage with. 837 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:51,820 That is, I think that that holds a lot of weight because I know as a user, right, on the 838 00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:57,500 other sense, I go and I'm like, wow, I really love a song. 839 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:58,500 What do I want to say? 840 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,300 I really craft it and then I, and then I apply value to that and then boost that person. 841 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:07,140 That's, that's the, I mean, to me, that is the coolest thing to do as a fan, but then being 842 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:10,660 on the other side of it to receive that incredible. 843 00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:11,660 Yeah. 844 00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:17,380 So I've been on wave lake since, yeah, summer 2023 and I am never turning back. 845 00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:19,380 Yeah, you got 10 songs. 846 00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:20,380 I love it. 847 00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:21,380 Yeah. 848 00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:27,140 You got about just under half a million sats and I mean, that's a nice little chunk of 849 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:32,180 change, you know, for, for, for, for, for, for, it is wonderful, especially. 850 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:37,620 I need to find it, but I think I'm going to frame my, my one royalty check I've ever gotten. 851 00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:42,780 I've been on Spotify since 2020 and I have gotten one dollar and 27 cents. 852 00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:47,340 I'm going to frame that little check to get right, to get right to the Dollar Tree and 853 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:53,100 get a lot of skittles, you know, like, yeah. 854 00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:56,220 But, well, and you did really well. 855 00:46:56,220 --> 00:47:03,020 And you, I was going to say you did really well too at, at, at the, uh, no,ster, uh, culture 856 00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:04,020 shock event. 857 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:05,020 Oh, culture shock. 858 00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:06,020 Oh my gosh. 859 00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:07,900 You really showed up for that. 860 00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:08,900 That was incredible. 861 00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:14,900 I mean, yeah, in a half an hour with like 1.3 million sats, it was crazy. 862 00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:19,060 I mean, my brain is like, thank you guys so much. 863 00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:26,020 Well, and the beautiful part about that is that I mean, it really, you know, like, um, you 864 00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:30,460 know, for better or for worse, like that there was very little promotion that yet you were 865 00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:35,100 going to be, uh, you know, doing this or or that, not that you were going to be doing 866 00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,180 it, but that it was going to be broadcast live. 867 00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:44,220 And to get 1.3 million with like almost no promo that we, that, that you were going 868 00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:47,260 to broadcast this live over in aster is awesome. 869 00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:50,180 It's, it's a testament to how powerful monster is. 870 00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:57,580 It's a testament to, um, the awesome people in the community, uh, from open mic to Kieran, 871 00:47:57,580 --> 00:48:05,540 to carnage to QW to Santa everybody, you know, I mean, 1.3 million, are you kidding me? 872 00:48:05,540 --> 00:48:07,180 That was fantastic. 873 00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:13,180 But yeah, it was, it was, uh, on, uh, unheard of in my own brain. 874 00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:14,820 I was just like, why unimaginable? 875 00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:16,500 I was like, this is so incredible. 876 00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:18,380 And it's another reason why I love noster. 877 00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:23,380 It's just you're on there and the way that you get to engage with people, it's just, it's, 878 00:48:23,380 --> 00:48:32,260 it's a nice community of really supportive kind people that truly show up. 879 00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:33,260 That's the other thing. 880 00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:34,860 It's like when you're making friends, right? 881 00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:35,860 Who's your friend? 882 00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:37,700 The one that shows up for you. 883 00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:38,700 Yeah. 884 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,500 And, and this community shows up in an incredible amount of ways. 885 00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:47,940 And I like to just be a little like fly on the wall and just read and see how it's developing 886 00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:48,940 and changing. 887 00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:51,220 Yeah, culture shock was incredible. 888 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:52,620 It was so cool to be a part of. 889 00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:55,420 It was awesome to meet you in the flesh there. 890 00:48:55,420 --> 00:49:02,140 And I just posted the, uh, I just posted carnival, the live audio on there on Wavelake 891 00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:06,780 today because Sam means actually called me out on Wavorp. 892 00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:11,660 And it was like, yeah, yeah, I really hope Sarah posts, posts the audio and I was like, 893 00:49:11,660 --> 00:49:13,660 yeah, I'm getting a little proud of you. 894 00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:14,660 Intent, intent. 895 00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:15,660 Yeah. 896 00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:21,740 Well, we'll, and then, yeah, we'll use some coming out too. 897 00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:22,740 Good. 898 00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:28,500 Well, we'll, we'll use carnival as the last song, um, as the song coming out here, but 899 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:31,220 I, I got a couple of more questions for you. 900 00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:35,220 And by, by the way, um, please say hello to your husband for me. 901 00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:38,420 I had a, I had a really nice chat with him. 902 00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:41,260 A couple, he's a, he, yeah, you got a good one there. 903 00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:44,740 He had some fella and he's a pretty good guitar player too. 904 00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:45,740 Yeah. 905 00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:47,580 Well, I think I'll keep him. 906 00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:48,580 Yeah. 907 00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:49,580 Yeah, he's a good dude. 908 00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:52,740 We had, we had a lot of good conversations while we were there. 909 00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:57,020 Um, let, let me back up just real quick because I want to ask you something about Bitcoin 910 00:49:57,020 --> 00:50:01,020 that has nothing to do with music because, um, you know, you said you and your husband 911 00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:03,340 have been in it for a while. 912 00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:09,380 Um, and I'm always amazed at, um, the people that I meet in the space, for example, 913 00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:15,260 briefly when we were there in Phoenix, I was talking to, uh, a developer who, you know, 914 00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:21,740 we pretty much figured out within the span of 60 seconds that he and I were on, uh, on, 915 00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:27,940 on, on completely different sides of the aisle, uh, in more ways than one, which we know 916 00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:30,900 are so divided in today's society. 917 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:38,100 But we just absolutely were enamored with what he and I both loved about Bitcoin and, and 918 00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:43,700 we were so happy that we had made that acquaintance and became friends from it. 919 00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:49,420 Um, and, so I say all of that with this question of mind that, and, and you can't include 920 00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:54,100 music in your answer, but like when you think about Bitcoin, like what, what, what surprises 921 00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,100 you about it? 922 00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:57,500 What, what have you learned from it? 923 00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:05,500 I think what surprises me about it is, I mean, kind of a cerebral ish answer is the way 924 00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:12,740 that it made us look at a system that's already in place and realize that it's just a system. 925 00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:14,580 And let me explain. 926 00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:21,060 So one of the things about, uh, Bitcoin that's been really helpful is to give, fiat currency 927 00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:22,980 an actual name, right? 928 00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:27,980 So you call it out by name so that you can understand what that is and that it's a financial 929 00:51:27,980 --> 00:51:30,620 system that we've developed. 930 00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:36,300 And then you can look at alternatives and ways to store value. 931 00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:41,140 My husband's a better expert than I am, but, uh, to me, it's just, it's a way to truly 932 00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:52,260 store value and feel like you can actually save and feel like your money is not just sitting 933 00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:54,900 in the bank and losing and depreciating. 934 00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:55,900 Yeah. 935 00:51:55,900 --> 00:52:02,780 Uh, for lack of a better term, but I think just philosophically to be able to look at the 936 00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:11,020 financial system and look and see the ways that it has worked and it has not worked for 937 00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:17,220 people, for yourself, for different, different types of people, um, and to actually go, hey, 938 00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:20,860 you know, this is something that we've had in place and we've taken for granted for a 939 00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:23,220 really long time. 940 00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:31,860 And maybe there's ways that it doesn't always work or that we could improve it. 941 00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:37,020 And this, I always say to people when they kind of freak out about, oh, Bitcoin, oh, you 942 00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:40,460 know, uh, and they're like, that's over my head or whatever. 943 00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:47,180 And I say, well, listen, it's not like it's the end all be all, but it certainly is, uh, 944 00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:54,620 it's not the only answer, but it is an answer to address the fact that we have a centralized 945 00:52:54,620 --> 00:53:01,740 system that there's, you know, inflation and, and there's some privacy issues and life 946 00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:06,620 seerity and seizure and all of those, those are things that have really happened in history. 947 00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:08,620 And this is an alternative. 948 00:53:08,620 --> 00:53:14,020 I also really in true, like what I've learned from it is the way that it's pushed the technology 949 00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:19,540 in general. It's not just Bitcoin technology, but it's pushing other developers. 950 00:53:19,540 --> 00:53:24,820 It's allowing other things to come onto the market that are decentralized like no, 951 00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:31,500 star, like, and, uh, and, uh, and lightning payments and the fact that we now that we have 952 00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:39,300 that second layer, I think it's making it more accessible to people, um, from just a familiarity 953 00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:46,980 aspect as well. Um, but yeah, my main point was just that it, I think the biggest thing is 954 00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:53,380 just to be able to have a name for what is our current system, fiat versus, quote, unquote, 955 00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:57,860 versus Bitcoin, right? So to be able to just name the system we currently have and have a, 956 00:53:57,860 --> 00:54:03,700 vernacular and have a vocabulary for that is so helpful to then rethink the system. 957 00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:11,100 You can't have an answer resolution without having a thing to name. I mean, it's just like, 958 00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:16,580 oh, it's just money, you know, I mean, that's, it's really hard to conceptualize when you 959 00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:25,260 don't have a label for something. And, uh, I feel like it just, it helps you save for the 960 00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:33,260 future. That's the biggest thing that I've learned. And honestly, the most valuable 961 00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:38,060 thing, really the only true currency in the sense is that you can't get back as your time, 962 00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:45,980 right? So if you spend all your time working hard, you know, uh, and it's a good point. Yeah. 963 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:50,580 I always, I always love, I always love asking that question of people, uh, of people. I'm 964 00:54:50,580 --> 00:54:56,620 sorry. Keep going. Essentially your, your time and your investments, right? You should, 965 00:54:57,820 --> 00:55:04,300 my personal opinion is you should be able to just save, right? You just, you work hard, you earn 966 00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:10,140 your money, you put it away, you save it's, and then it, and it has value for you later. And 967 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:17,500 that's not always happening in this, in our current state of affairs. So Bitcoin's a way to do that. 968 00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:21,340 I mean, you know, I understand that, you know, people buy gold and all of those different things, 969 00:55:21,340 --> 00:55:27,580 we're all trying to find a value and have a means to store our value. And truly, 970 00:55:27,580 --> 00:55:34,060 our value is our time. And so we've put that time into earn. We use fiat to buy Bitcoin and then 971 00:55:34,060 --> 00:55:40,380 our, and then you end up being part of a really cool community too of people that are interested 972 00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:47,980 in making the system better. It's not about destroying anything. It's about improving. And it's about 973 00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:53,420 lifting people up. I think the coolest thing too is that there's, that it's helping people in other 974 00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:59,660 countries and that, that it actually is a way for them to store value, you know? I mean, I think it 975 00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:06,300 was a man like Quex was saying that through lightning payments, he was, and Satsy was able to pay his 976 00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:13,020 electricity bill. Like, that was, that's awesome. That's so cool. It's, and so I think it just, 977 00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:19,980 it's a global community decentralized too, which is pretty awesome. I'm, I am amazed at how quickly 978 00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:24,700 things are moving. I mean, I haven't been in the space as long as you have, but I think with, 979 00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:32,220 just with the tech gains that have happened within the past eight to nine months, it's going to be 980 00:56:32,220 --> 00:56:38,780 a completely different landscape in two years. Absolutely. It's, it's moving so quickly that it's, 981 00:56:38,780 --> 00:56:43,900 it's kind of like a world one to keep up with everything that's happening. But I also feel like, 982 00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:54,060 you know, that sometimes people like get rich quick kind of schemes and that's not what this is. 983 00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:58,460 At all. Yeah, they're going to get weeded out of this, you know, they're going to get freaked out. 984 00:56:58,460 --> 00:57:03,420 Like, I mean, especially like right now, like I was down, I was down at Bitcoin Park tonight, you 985 00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:09,820 know, and it, and I looked over and I saw the, you know, like the current price was like 62 986 00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:17,580 tonight and I'm like, okay, right? I mean, we all know it went over 70 last week, but we also know why 987 00:57:17,580 --> 00:57:22,700 it's down to 62 right now. So, and that's going to freak up, freak a bunch of people out. And if 988 00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:29,580 they get out, fine, it's fine. Go ahead and get out. That's, you know, we get, we always say you're 989 00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:35,020 in it for the long game. And at the end of the day, the simplest term is that it's just a way to 990 00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:41,900 store your most valuable asset, which is your time. Yeah. Just way to store that value. And any investment 991 00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:50,540 in any, in any way is that you should be able to have a way to store that value and come back to it 992 00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:59,500 in the future. Yeah. Well, but in general, you know, things are, things fluctuate and people just have 993 00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:04,460 to either get out of that makes them uncomfortable and that's not okay for them or 994 00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:12,860 you know, hang out and play the long game. Yeah. Well, they, they should all be playing the long game. 995 00:58:12,860 --> 00:58:21,340 Well, let me let before we get to the last song, which is going to be the live version of Carnival 996 00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:29,180 from Culture Shock and Phoenix a couple weeks ago. Let me wrap it up with a couple of fun questions. 997 00:58:30,860 --> 00:58:35,420 I typically ask like, you know, give me your top five records, top five concerts, things like that. 998 00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:41,980 But I want to know, I'm going to put you on the spot. All those gigs you did with your dad. 999 00:58:41,980 --> 00:58:51,580 What is the one song from your dad's set list that you sang on where I'm, where you're like, 1000 00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:56,300 oh, God, I hate this song. Like, get, give me the worst song from your dad's set list. 1001 00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:05,020 Oh, all right, guys, you're going to really hate me for this one, but I can't stand the song happy 1002 00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:19,820 for well Williams. I don't blame me for that bit. I had to play that every hour, a couple times 1003 00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:25,420 an hour for four hours straight because if someone's coming up and tipping you big money 1004 00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:32,940 to play that song again, you're going to play that song again. And the reason, 1005 00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:36,780 and so it is overplayed by me over singing it. 1006 00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:45,020 Yeah, also, I don't really have a lot of room to play in that song vocally. 1007 00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:50,380 You know, I'm going to all over the place. I mean, that's because he's all in falsetto on that 1008 00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:56,620 and for the most part. He is, yeah, yeah, for the most part he is. And also it's pretty, 1009 00:59:56,620 --> 01:00:03,820 it's just, it needs the base of the rhythm just, it needs to be sung pretty much exactly how 1010 01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:06,860 we sang it. And most of the time I try to make songs my own a little bit. 1011 01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:12,380 And that one, I don't feel like I have that much room, but also it's just like, it became like, 1012 01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:17,580 and it's a small world for me. It just gets stuck in your head, especially when you played it like eight times. 1013 01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:24,860 Oh, thanks for that earworm. Yeah, I'm going to be stuck with that crap. Oh, you're so welcome. 1014 01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:32,860 What's your favorite song from your dad's set list? 1015 01:00:32,860 --> 01:00:42,220 Oh, my favorite one. Yeah. The one that comes up immediately is just old time rock and roll, 1016 01:00:42,220 --> 01:00:48,140 Bob Seeger, I sing that one with him. And it's really fun. I mean, I have a lot of 1017 01:00:48,140 --> 01:00:55,180 fun with that song because I can get crazy. I was trying to think I also do a lot of, you know, 1018 01:00:55,180 --> 01:01:00,700 Adele, I love to sing Adele. It's really fun. It's always fun. 1019 01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:05,740 Pretty much anything that she sings is fun, although, Hala was a really hard song. 1020 01:01:05,740 --> 01:01:12,700 Oh, for a minute there, I went to Lionel Richie. I'm like, wait a second. No, wait, the Adele version. 1021 01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:16,380 Okay. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Adele, 1022 01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:21,660 Adele, hello. I know. I do that all the time. Where are you? That name songs? 1023 01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:30,460 That chorus on the Adele song is brutal on, on, on hello. It is. Yeah. It is brutal. 1024 01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:36,060 It is, you've really got to be warmed up or just make sure that the beginning key is exactly where 1025 01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:43,980 you need to be. And also the breath work on that. It's crazy. When you do that live, are you playing 1026 01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:48,540 the guitar on that? Or do you have a keyboard player do the piano parts? How do you handle that? 1027 01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:56,380 Whenever I do, well, when I do someone like you, I play it. But for hello, 1028 01:01:56,380 --> 01:02:03,340 different keyboard player, usually my dad has a keyboard player. And that will come and just shred 1029 01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:09,020 on everything. And then I'll play like little leedy parts on the key tar. But someone like you, 1030 01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:14,620 I do play on the piano, just right hand melody and then keeps me. And also I kind of do my own 1031 01:02:14,620 --> 01:02:22,300 version of that song. There's a couple of time signature changes. Just based on how I sing it. 1032 01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:29,740 Just randomly kind of switch from the three, four to four, four for some reason. I just, 1033 01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:35,020 it, and it's a very straightforward and I've just always sang it that way when I play alive. And so 1034 01:02:35,980 --> 01:02:41,820 that's how it comes out. All right. I'm curious. I'd love to hear the version of it. Speaking of odd 1035 01:02:41,820 --> 01:02:49,900 meter, are there any plans for you to, and you and I talked about this in Phoenix, 1036 01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:54,140 but are there any plans for you to track your song criminal? 1037 01:02:54,140 --> 01:03:01,820 Yes, there's plans for that. I actually have to go through and tempo map that you asked me, 1038 01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:11,180 who, what is the count in that chorus? It is in nine and it changes constantly. It is a, it is a 1039 01:03:11,180 --> 01:03:15,180 whirlwind that song. Someone called it "prog rock one time." And I was like, cool, that sounds good. 1040 01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:21,900 The nature of, well, yeah, I was like, I mean, I'm complimented by that absolutely. 1041 01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:27,340 You don't sit down and go, I'm going to write a prog rock, but that's the nature of just writing 1042 01:03:28,220 --> 01:03:33,900 you and lyrics and melody and then just going, these are the chords. Here you go. And here's the rhythm. 1043 01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:41,660 And then, my husband was like, what is happening? And then honestly, none of the band can think about 1044 01:03:41,660 --> 01:03:46,060 it. We all just have to feel through it because you can't count. If you count it, you will mess up. 1045 01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:52,380 And then it'll just go off the rails, but it's just, we just go, all right, cool. We're, 1046 01:03:52,380 --> 01:03:56,780 you know, and it's one of those songs that you just lock in, but it is nine. Like, wait, once 1047 01:03:56,780 --> 01:04:02,060 I had a live recording of it, and I was like, one, two, three. And it's a weird way that you can count, 1048 01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:08,060 you can count in different mixes. But yes, there are plans to do that. I'm hoping to do that this year. 1049 01:04:08,060 --> 01:04:16,220 That would be amazing. Right now, I've got splinters underway, but then my next single is actually going 1050 01:04:16,220 --> 01:04:22,700 to be kind of a Americana song and it's a singing woman, which I didn't play at Culture Shock, but I just, 1051 01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:30,060 I actually am working with a producer in Nashville, John Kennedy, who works on Jakoma with me and 1052 01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:37,900 Bourbon at dawn. And so now we're doing a three-part harmony, fun girl power song for women's history 1053 01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:47,020 month. Nice. Singing woman. Yeah. And when is that coming out? That is due to come out 1054 01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:55,260 the end of March. Those are the hopes sometimes as long as everything goes according to plan. 1055 01:04:55,260 --> 01:04:59,740 If not, then it'll be early April, but my hope is to get it out like next week. 1056 01:04:59,740 --> 01:05:06,220 Awesome. Yeah, we just, I just went through with the studio and finished all of our fun 1057 01:05:06,220 --> 01:05:14,460 tedious recording edits, which is the best part. Yeah, were you bouncing tracks back and forth between 1058 01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:23,180 Nashville and San Diego? Yes, actually. So the whole production was done in musically in in Nashville 1059 01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:29,020 by some incredible session players out there. And John is just an awesome person to work with. 1060 01:05:29,020 --> 01:05:35,020 And he sends me this track back and then I just record vocals here in San Diego. And then there's 1061 01:05:35,020 --> 01:05:40,700 Jesse Lark, who I onboarded for Wave Lake. She'll be on the record and then also another 1062 01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:45,500 cow that I'm trying to onboard Elizabeth Bauer socks is going to be on it. And then next, 1063 01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:50,140 we'll just have to get Evan Diamond to post all her music on Wave Lake. I won't forget that. 1064 01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:57,500 Did you say Elizabeth Bauer socks? Yes, Elizabeth Bauer socks. 1065 01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:06,060 That name sounds familiar. That's such a unique name. Is it? Yeah, it is. 1066 01:06:07,580 --> 01:06:13,900 Her, she's from Ramona. I don't know. When you were out here, there's also wineries in Ramona. 1067 01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:21,420 So that's why I was thinking that connection. But yeah, she, I feel like I've, like, I've been across that name before. 1068 01:06:21,420 --> 01:06:29,500 She's a killer vocalist. She's amazing. I think I think that's, she studied opera and college. And she's 1069 01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:36,380 fabulous. Yeah. And she just started her band out here in San Diego. And they're amazing. They're 1070 01:06:36,380 --> 01:06:41,020 absolutely awesome. And they have a live EP that I'm trying to get her to put on Wave Lake. 1071 01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:48,300 Awesome. Okay. We will succeed. Awesome. Well, I'm happy to talk to any of those folks if 1072 01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:55,740 if they have any questions and, and, and, can definitely, can definitely be a, be a, a mentor, 1073 01:06:55,740 --> 01:07:01,900 if you will, in that regard. So, um, and that's what we need in this space, lots of education. 1074 01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:08,700 Yeah. We need, we need, we need more musicians and we need more Bitcoin holders to download, 1075 01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:15,740 like fountain and podverse and curio cast or things like that. So 100%, 100%, be active participants. 1076 01:07:15,740 --> 01:07:23,900 Yeah. Sarah, I really appreciate you, um, coming on the show. And we've had a couple technical glitches. 1077 01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:33,180 But, um, I think it'll turn out good. And I, and, um, I, I really enjoy your story. Um, 1078 01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:43,500 you're writing, of course. And, um, I hope you, uh, just crush it with the next single. And again, 1079 01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:48,380 I, I really appreciate you coming on. Thank you. Uh, coming on the show. Yeah. Thank you so much. 1080 01:07:48,380 --> 01:07:54,220 Anything else? Much for having me, Jim. Yeah. Anything else you want to throw in? We, you got a new 1081 01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:59,660 single coming out. Went, when's that this show is going to go up? Let me look at my calendar here. 1082 01:07:59,660 --> 01:08:10,300 Sunday, the 24th, when is your next gig after the 24th? After the 24th, uh, it will be April 13th is 1083 01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:18,380 my next scheduled show. Uh, actually might be coming out to Nashville, uh, the beginning of April. So 1084 01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:27,580 like April 8th. So I'm trying to catch the eclipse. Oh, it's, yeah. So I don't need to know. 1085 01:08:27,580 --> 01:08:37,980 The total clips is going to happen in, in Indiana. Oh, up north. Okay. There you go. Yeah. So 1086 01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:43,340 flying in Nashville have a great weekend and maybe place some places out there. So DVD, but definitely 1087 01:08:43,340 --> 01:08:48,940 in San Diego April 13th is my next gig after that. But hopefully Nashville in a couple weekends. 1088 01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:56,860 Well, stick around. We'll talk after, after this song or yet, you know what I mean, stick around. 1089 01:08:56,860 --> 01:09:04,300 We're going to play Carnival. This is from Sarah Jade. And this was live in Phoenix a couple of 1090 01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:11,660 weeks ago at the Culture Shock Noster event. And you have been listening to the Phantom Power artist 1091 01:09:11,660 --> 01:09:21,580 hour. Thanks, Sarah. Thank you. 1092 01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:34,940 For one night only satisfaction guaranteed. Oh, your dreams phenomenal. 1093 01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:48,220 But it's all part of the show. Welcome to the Carnival. 1094 01:09:48,220 --> 01:10:06,380 But you saw you sidestepped right up. Tell us your strength and try your luck. Life's again. 1095 01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:19,100 Full of charades, masquerade, don't you pray? Ladies and gentlemen, feast your eyes. 1096 01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:31,820 Give your taste to the dark side, something for every other time. Take your seat and cure the 1097 01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:45,180 lights. Welcome to the Carnival. And I'm saving every soul. And I'm shaving my hands. 1098 01:10:45,180 --> 01:11:03,580 But only food, carly home, and it's all part of the show. Welcome to the Carnival. 1099 01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:21,100 Hold your breath as you wish, smile, cheating then, the whole your eyes. What a way to kill the time. 1100 01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:35,260 Oh, in the old message, to die, welcome to the Carnival. And tonight only every soul. 1101 01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:42,220 One half and say at the end of the road, we'll live right now. 1102 01:11:42,220 --> 01:12:00,140 Come close to a close. Now they're taking down the shendily and packing on your smooth knees. 1103 01:12:01,820 --> 01:12:15,740 Magic words from the auctione. Make it all disappear. 1104 01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:29,660 But it's all part of the show. Welcome to the Carnival. 1105 01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:41,020 Welcome to the Carnival. 1106 01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:50,300 My thanks to Sarah Jade from San Diego for joining us on episode 15 of the Phantom Power Artist Hour 1107 01:12:50,300 --> 01:13:01,100 for Sunday March 24th, 2024. Hope you guys enjoyed that episode and have had a lovely weekend. 1108 01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:05,740 Hey, join us later this week on Wednesday. Of course, we've got the Phantom Power Music Hour. 1109 01:13:05,740 --> 01:13:13,660 And on Friday, we should have another Phantom Power Music review. I was not able to get to it 1110 01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:19,180 this past Friday, the 22nd. As I like to say, gigs and poker games have a way of 1111 01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:27,020 interrupting with that show. And I'm hoping that we've got a special little short edition of the 1112 01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:32,620 business hour coming up tomorrow. We'll see if we can make that happen. As always, you can find us 1113 01:13:32,620 --> 01:13:38,380 on NOSTER, on Instagram, on Twitter. And you can always check out our website, 1114 01:13:38,380 --> 01:13:45,900 phantompowermusic.io. And if you guys know any musicians who are interested in getting into this space 1115 01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:53,100 into this movement, we would love to speak with them. This is a value for value, podcast, a value cast, 1116 01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:59,740 right? If you found value in this, we certainly would love to receive some from you. So thank you 1117 01:13:59,740 --> 01:14:13,740 guys so much for listening. Have a great rest of your day. And we'll see you soon. Bye-bye.