1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:14,860 - Hey everybody, welcome back to Fanchin Power Business. 3 00:00:14,860 --> 00:00:19,040 Fanchin Power Business Hour, that's right. 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,740 We haven't done a lot of these yet, 5 00:00:21,740 --> 00:00:23,480 but we're gonna start doing them every week. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,080 We're gonna start doing them on Mondays. 7 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,160 Now I know it's Tuesday, 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:33,160 but one of our guests was busy galloping around Costa Rica 9 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:34,600 and just got back in town, 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,460 so we had to push this back a day. 11 00:00:37,460 --> 00:00:40,880 This conversation is all about Noster, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,460 and I am fortunate enough to be joined by Vanessa Gray 13 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:50,460 from Domus and Derek Ross from Noster Club, 14 00:00:50,460 --> 00:00:55,280 and if you are on Noster, you have seen these folks around, 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,940 but we're gonna dive into what this platform is, 16 00:00:57,940 --> 00:01:00,660 what it's potential could be, 17 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:02,380 where they would like to see it go, 18 00:01:02,380 --> 00:01:06,500 and some best case uses for musicians. 19 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:10,420 I advocate that every musician that is new to value for value 20 00:01:10,420 --> 00:01:14,620 should get on this space and start promoting their work, 21 00:01:14,620 --> 00:01:19,340 and Derek and Vanessa back me up in this conversation. 22 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:24,340 So I will shut up and let's bring on the guests, 23 00:01:24,340 --> 00:01:25,700 and we'll go from there. 24 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:27,760 All right, here we go. 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,400 Hey, everybody, welcome to Phantom Power Business Hour. 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,760 Haven't done a lot of these yet, 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,200 but they're gonna be a weekly occurrence. 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,920 They are going to be a weekly occurrence on Mondays, 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,440 and we would have done it this week on Monday, 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,800 but one of our guests was lolligagging 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,220 around the beautiful tropics of Costa Rica. 32 00:01:49,220 --> 00:01:50,360 Is that right, Derek? 33 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:56,560 - Absolutely, I was down enjoying the beautiful jungle weather 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,320 and the beach and the whole non-jar, 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,520 and I'm sure we'll get to that a little bit more later. 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,640 - Yeah, we will, 'cause me, well, Vanessa and I 37 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,680 were still way up north having to deal with all the snow 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,520 and rain. 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Vanessa Gray from Domus is here as well as Derek Ross, 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,320 so hello Vanessa. 41 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,880 - Hi, thanks for having me. 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,880 Yeah, I unfortunately have been stuck inside for days on end, 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,440 working tirelessly on Nostrader, 44 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,440 while you were out doing no work at all, Nostrader. 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,840 - Lolligagging. 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,200 I was lolligagging maybe from time to time, 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,800 but I was doing the IRL work, 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:36,640 putting in the ground. 49 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:37,480 - You were working hard. 50 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,200 In the trenches, it was horrible walking around without shoes 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,360 and shirt, but I was working hard though. 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,080 - Well, I know, I saw wearing that, 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,000 when you did wear a shirt, you wore the Domus shirt, 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,160 so that's all I care. 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,480 - I did, I did. 56 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,040 When I did my Nostrader talk, I had the Domus shirt on. 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,840 I had to represent my friends. 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,440 - Mm, let's see it. 59 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,640 - Jealous, yeah, we had a lovely eight inches of snow 60 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,040 and a lot of ice here in Nashville, so welcome back 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,960 to the continental US and the nice cold there, buddy. 62 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,640 So, I'm sure that was a nice shot. 63 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:15,200 Well, let's dive right in. 64 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,600 Vanessa, let's start with you. 65 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Why don't you introduce yourself, 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,080 just give us a little background 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,600 and how you got into Nostrader. 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:28,000 - Thanks, yeah, so I have been on Nostrader for about a year now, 69 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,520 had my official anniversary of interacting on DM only, 70 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,600 a few weeks ago, January of 2023. 71 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,520 And yeah, I got into Nostrader, I like to say, 72 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,640 kind of without, I kind of had to get into it 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,360 because my partner who I live with and we have a son together 74 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,280 is one of the developers and one of the early developers 75 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,480 on Nostrader, so he started talking about it months 76 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,520 and months before that, I probably didn't listen, 77 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,200 wasn't sure what a protocol even was at that time, 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,400 but quickly learned that it was something pretty exciting 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,960 that was happening, so I started to dig into it 80 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,640 just from a user perspective, obviously, and to support him, 81 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,640 but that has quickly evolved in the last year to now 82 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,200 where I'm working quite tirelessly 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,960 on trying to promote Nostrader in general, 84 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,640 not just Thomas, from a marketing perspective, 85 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,200 he are kind of many, many different roles 86 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,760 and have been speaking a lot and probably a lot 87 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,440 to kind of promote that over the last year 88 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,240 and got to spend some great time with Derek 89 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,760 and his family trying to move the thing along, 90 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,360 so thanks for having me here. 91 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,560 - Yeah, my pleasure. 92 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,840 What was your gig prior to Thomas? 93 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:50,400 - So I still have a current, 94 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,880 - Oh, okay. - A regular job, actually. 95 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,880 - I don't know. 96 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,160 - That's the start-up life for you. 97 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,320 So yeah, I work in marketing full-time, 98 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,680 I work remotely for a company working for various clients, 99 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,040 but it's quickly moving to more on the Nostrader side, 100 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,680 which is an ideal world I would end up entirely working on that, 101 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,880 so I see that as the future, 102 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,880 but both of those jobs kind of have gone hand in hand, 103 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,800 which has been great, so. 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,520 - Okay. - Worked out. 105 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,640 - Derek, what's your background 106 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,240 and how did you get into Nostrader? 107 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,200 - So I'm one of those IT guys 108 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,520 where I run all sorts of applications and systems 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,280 and services. 110 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:37,640 It might, my day job, 111 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,760 but I've been a bit coiner for the last several years, 112 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,400 and about a year ago, 113 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,520 Jack Dorsey had asked on Twitter 114 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,680 what applications, what services needed to be funding, 115 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,720 needed additional funding, 116 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,640 and some bit-cointers replied that Nostrader needed funding, 117 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,160 and I said, "What is Nostrader?" 118 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,800 I had never heard of Nostrad before, 119 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,640 and then Jack Dorsey said, "Hey, Bitcoin Twitter, 120 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,080 "you should really check out Nostrader." 121 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,840 So I started checking out Nostrader 122 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:14,280 and realizing what its potential was, 123 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:16,760 and I just jumped right in. 124 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,560 I started looking for ways to contribute, 125 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,000 and as I said a minute ago, 126 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,920 my fiat-money job, my day job is running a bunch 127 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,400 of servers and services, 128 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,160 and I started looking, how can I use those skills 129 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,160 to bring services to Nostrader? 130 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,640 I started a business called Nostrad Plibs, 131 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,640 aptly named. 132 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,720 (laughs) 133 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,480 It's just a Nostrad services provider 134 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,680 where we give different services, 135 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,480 bells and whistles, enhancements to users of Nostrader. 136 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,720 And then I started traveling around the world 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,840 and talking about Nostrader at various conferences 138 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:57,840 and using my love for community growing and marketing 139 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,880 and just community building, 140 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,120 and using that to talk about my latest passion 141 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,680 and drive, which is Nostrader, 142 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,240 and it led me to all sorts of places 143 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,040 I never thought that I would be, 144 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,480 such as we were saying at the beginning of the show, 145 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,760 down in Costa Rica again, 146 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,200 for the second time in the past year, 147 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,280 and meeting amazing people like yourself, 148 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,320 and in person in Nashville, 149 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,960 in Vanessa, in various places around the world, 150 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,160 and it's just been a wild ride over the past year. 151 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,760 Yeah, as I told you guys, 152 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,600 before the show started in the green room, 153 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,960 yeah, of course Derek, of course I remember meeting you 154 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,400 in November here at Bitcoin Park. 155 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,160 I've only been in the space now for about seven months, 156 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:51,040 but I am amazed at what I see going on 157 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,840 in two areas, number one, 158 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,800 whenever I get in a room of people who are Bitcoin developers, 159 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,400 like if I go down to Bitcoin Park, 160 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,320 or I go to a meetup in another city, 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,320 like Minneapolis, whatever, 162 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,520 like the brain power in the room just absolutely blows me away. 163 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Number one, and number two is the community of people 164 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,760 that I keep running into, just this is a very tight network, 165 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,400 a very philanthropic and giving network, 166 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,280 and I certainly see that within the community of Noster, 167 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,040 when I'm on the relays or on the app, 168 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,120 or however is the proper way to describe it. 169 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,440 I guess there's a million questions that I have, 170 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,800 and I don't care who answers this first one, 171 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,800 but I would like to know how you feel about it 172 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,920 about a year into development. 173 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,960 I know you, Beness, I know William was, 174 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,160 pretty much the first one out of the gate, 175 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,160 either William and Fiat Jeff, 176 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,960 but where do you guys see it now one year in? 177 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,680 Are you surprised? 178 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:09,080 It's this popular, are you dismayed 179 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,800 that it's not more prevalent? 180 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,120 Like, you know, take it away. 181 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,320 What do you guys think we are one year in? 182 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,280 - Well, I would say that I'm surprised 183 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,400 that it hasn't taken off more than it has, 184 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,400 but I also understand that developers over the past year, 185 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,200 such as Will and many other developers 186 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,680 have been really working on and focusing on the technology layer 187 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:43,960 and building that foundational layer of tech, 188 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,720 and not so much focusing on onboarding, 189 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,480 and not so much focusing on design, 190 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,840 and some of that has hindered a little bit of adoption, 191 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,840 but I think that is okay, 192 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,080 because if Noster were to blow up right now 193 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,920 with a million users, things would break 194 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,200 and things would not be fun, you know, kind of crashing burn. 195 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,480 So this kind of slower adoption, 196 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,200 while that may, you know, turn some people off, 197 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,280 and people may be a little bit upset about that, 198 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,320 I think that's fine, because that gives us more time to build, 199 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,280 more times to hone things in and fine tune things, 200 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,080 and file it down and get things ready for mass adoption, 201 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,400 because this isn't something that is, 202 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,680 it has a massive team behind it. 203 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:27,120 It's a hobby project, it's a startup project, 204 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,160 it's a bunch of people spending their free time building this, 205 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,200 and it's not gonna happen overnight, 206 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:38,200 so I think a slow and steady growth is fine, 207 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,880 but I also think that in some regards, 208 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,360 looking at back about all of the apps 209 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,320 that have been built over the past year, 210 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,120 all the enhancements, all of the additional other stuff clients, 211 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,480 outside of social, like streaming apps and music apps, 212 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,160 and all sorts of other things, 213 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,200 this other stuff part of Noster, 214 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,080 that a year ago was just a pipe dream, 215 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,000 and not even a thought in anybody's head, 216 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,440 and we, I say, we, the collective, we, the royal we, 217 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,280 we have built, you know, a lot of stuff 218 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,440 across Noster over the past year that is wild, 219 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,080 and once some of those really take off, 220 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,800 we're gonna be ready, 221 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,360 we're gonna have this tech layer built. 222 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,960 Vanessa, what about you? 223 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,320 One year in from a marketing perspective, 224 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,840 are you happy or you're just made? 225 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:30,680 What do you think? 226 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,520 - Yeah, it's a great question. 227 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,280 I think that I'm really happy about some of the major, 228 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,440 kind of milestones that we've been able to accomplish 229 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,680 in what actually is quite a small amount of time, 230 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,680 even though it's been a year, 231 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:50,080 sorry, my son's in the background here. 232 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,920 So, you know, it's, I think, yes, 233 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,600 we may not have the number of users 234 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,040 that maybe were originally predicted 235 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,560 or people had anticipated, 236 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:04,880 but certainly, again, like some of these major users 237 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,960 and groups that have joined in the past year 238 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,320 are incredibly impressive. 239 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,280 You know, we were really fortunate 240 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,040 to attend the Oslem Freedom Forum 241 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,360 about halfway through the year, last year, 242 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,720 and seeing some of the really, really interesting people 243 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,520 who are using Noster in that context, right? 244 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,080 People who really need it for free speech reasons evenly. 245 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,760 And then, you know, on the flip side of that 246 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,000 is people coming on who have quite large followings, right? 247 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,640 And who are interested in seeing what they can do 248 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,640 in the space from a value for value 249 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,920 or making actual money within the app. 250 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,600 So, there's both sides of that. 251 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,680 And I think on top of that, 252 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,400 it's also the fact that we've had a lot of attention 253 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,600 in the past year. 254 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,920 You know, I've been doing a bit of a recap, 255 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,400 so that's a surprise for next week 256 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,120 'cause it'll be a year as of next week 257 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,440 that Thomas has been on the app store. 258 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,600 So, we're having a little bit of fun with it 259 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,120 to kind of say like, where have we been? 260 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,520 What are the things that have been accomplished? 261 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,120 And it's amazing how many podcasts like this 262 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,080 and talks and events and everything 263 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,440 that people have been a part of in just a year. 264 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,360 It's absolutely incredible. 265 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,720 Again, not just Thomas, but on Noster in general. 266 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,560 So, I'm really proud of what everybody's been doing 267 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:26,680 and as Derek said, it's people who are just 268 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,120 dedicating their time, not people who are 269 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,560 necessarily getting paid for it. 270 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,720 So, that's super exciting. 271 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,160 Oops, sorry, my mic was off. 272 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,720 Right now, as I mentioned to you guys in the green room, 273 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,400 you know, I'm trying to bring as many musicians 274 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:39,640 into the space as I can. 275 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,440 And I'm telling them all, hey, get a Noster account. 276 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,920 I see and correct me if I'm wrong, 277 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,640 like, you know, the population right now 278 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,040 consists of like 90% developers, right? 279 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,480 Maybe even 98% developers. 280 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,640 I mean, there's a lot of developers, 281 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,640 a lot of technical people, but mostly I would say, 282 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,040 you know, 95% Bitcoiners. 283 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,040 Okay, yeah. 284 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,360 So, and I tell these musicians, I'm like, 285 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,880 hey, you got to get in there and just start thanking people 286 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,640 and interacting people whenever your songs are played, 287 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,880 you know, you're gonna be one of a handful of musicians 288 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,480 right now, but you'll be an early adopter. 289 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Do you guys have any sort of idea or wish, I should say? 290 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Like a year from now, how would you like 291 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,560 to see the population be segmented? 292 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,840 Like, do you like, are you guys thinking 293 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,560 that this is gonna be another Twitter, another, 294 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,360 like, is it gonna be a place? 295 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,840 So, it's gonna be balanced between all professional 296 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,840 sessions is this gonna stay primarily a community of developers 297 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:57,000 like who in your mind is the perfect community for this? 298 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,440 - Well, somebody has to be first 299 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,680 in every type of community, right? 300 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,200 So, Bitcoiners built, Noster, 301 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,680 or are currently building Noster. 302 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,600 So it makes sense or a lot of the early adopters 303 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,080 to be from the Bitcoin community. 304 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,480 But from there, I mean, we want this to grow 305 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,440 to each and every type of community. 306 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,760 So we gotta start really thinking 307 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,160 what type of community will be next. 308 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,160 Bitcoiners love value for value and love proof of work. 309 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,880 That's kinda like part of our ethos. 310 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,360 We truly understand that better than probably most 311 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,760 communities out there. 312 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,400 So any type of creator community, I think, 313 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,000 would thrive is the next community on Noster 314 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,400 because you're gonna be creating some type of content 315 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,040 and we're eager to consume it and provide value 316 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,040 for that value that you're giving us. 317 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,560 We wanna reward the proof of work. 318 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,880 And I think that whatever that community may be, 319 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,480 whether it's an artist community, a musician community, 320 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,280 anybody that creates any type of content, 321 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,120 I think once they come over in mass, 322 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,160 we'll just be very, very successful. 323 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,960 It seems like the will have a nice symbiotic relationship 324 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,480 together, but I think you would agree Vanessa. 325 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,360 Like we don't want this to stay Bitcoin is forever. 326 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,920 We want this to be for everybody across the planet. 327 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,040 - Yeah, I agree completely. 328 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,440 I am a Bitcoiner, but not one that talks about it 329 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,880 or that's not the reason I'm using Noster. 330 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,520 I just, I happen to enjoy the integration, 331 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,800 but when I own more people from a non-technical perspective, 332 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,280 I don't ever bring up the fact that Bitcoin is integrated often 333 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,720 because it's just, it's a little bit scary 334 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,240 for people who maybe aren't familiar. 335 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,360 And I'd prefer to your point that more and more people join 336 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,360 regardless of whether they're interested in Bitcoin or not. 337 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,440 And then if they decide that they wanna learn more about that, 338 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,680 then I direct them to Derek. 339 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,920 But no, seriously. 340 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:00,920 - What do we say? 341 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,440 The purple pill helps the orange pill go down, right? 342 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,640 So you get purple pill on Noster and then we'll give you 343 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,480 the Bitcoin pill. 344 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,200 We'll give you that orange pill later. 345 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,040 - Exactly. 346 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,040 And you know, Tyra question about, you know, 347 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,840 developers versus non-development. 348 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:16,720 There are a lot of developers, 349 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,360 but there's a lot of creators to not just, you know, 350 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:22,760 developers by definition. 351 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,880 I'd say there's a lot of designers, there's a lot of artists 352 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,120 and the community currently, which I hope continues to happen 353 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:33,000 is as you mentioned, really supportive, 354 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,960 but also very, like it's good quality content 355 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,760 that seems to be coming out, especially with the people 356 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,240 who are most active. 357 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,760 So, you know, if we were to grow this in a year from now, 358 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,200 if we can continue on that trajectory of people 359 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,920 who really want to be here and, you know, 360 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,840 they're not necessarily here just for the likes, 361 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,640 but they're here for the value they provide 362 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,840 and the value they can offer. 363 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,960 I think that's kind of where we'd like to go. 364 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,440 I know, you know, with our team specifically, 365 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,760 one of our objectives for 2024 is to get away 366 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,400 from the Bitcoin conferences of it, 367 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,880 just not that we won't be attending some 368 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,800 and, you know, both professionally and personally, 369 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,720 but it's thinking about other places we could be 370 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,600 in other initiatives we could be involved in. 371 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,200 You know, I remember this summer, it was at a local festival 372 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,520 and those artists were looking for things like Noster 373 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:28,960 and we just happened to have an opportunity 374 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,880 to be a part of that festival. 375 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,880 So, I think it's those types of, you know, initiatives 376 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,960 that we're looking at trying to be involved in, 377 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,040 as opposed to just tack or just Bitcoin. 378 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,640 - Has anybody done some research on this, you know, 379 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,240 like the Wikipedia page is about a quarter of a page long, 380 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,080 right? 381 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,040 You can, there's a nice article in Forbes, 382 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:58,320 but there's not a whole heck of a lot of unbiased, 383 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,680 factual information on it, right? 384 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,000 So, Noster seems to fly under the media radar. 385 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,280 At any time, any time any media article was written 386 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,840 about Twitter alternatives, like 90% of the time, 387 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,000 Noster is not mentioned, you know, 388 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,680 what we see like Macedon or Threads mentioned, 389 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,000 you know, things like that. 390 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,960 Noster's still in the underdog stage right now. 391 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,080 - Yeah, so how does it, so Derek, 392 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,880 how does it get out of the underdog stage? 393 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,760 And then as a follow-up, I would say, you know, 394 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,520 every app, every business has to, you know, 395 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,920 somehow sustain a profit, you know, bring in some income. 396 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,920 Like, so how does it get out from underneath the shadows 397 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,400 and how is it going to, in your opinion, 398 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,080 what does it need to do to be a profitable enterprise 399 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,960 that's here in five years? 400 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,640 - Well, so when we look at what Noster is, 401 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,520 it's just a protocol, right? 402 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,120 And we don't talk about the success of the email protocol 403 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,560 or we don't talk about the success of HTTP, 404 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,440 the web protocol, we talk about outlook for email, 405 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,400 we talk about Gmail for email, right? 406 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,080 We talk about Google Chrome, 407 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,080 we talk about internet explorer, edge, 408 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,920 or opera, firefox, we talk about these specific apps 409 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,800 or clients that use that protocol and the success of those. 410 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,120 So I think that for the protocol to succeed, 411 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,160 you know, we're gonna have to have successful apps, 412 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,280 successful companies, and those will be the brands 413 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,800 that are talked about. 414 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,480 Those will be the apps that are making the headlines, 415 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,720 so something like Domus or Primal, 416 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,360 or, you know, that are have actual, 417 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:58,920 seed capital behind them and grants behind them. 418 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,120 Those will be the ones that are making the headlines. 419 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,920 How do we break out of that underdog, you know, 420 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,960 mantra where we're kind of at now, you know, 421 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,800 they need to hit critical mass, 422 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,800 maybe that's 250,000 downloads, 423 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,760 half a million downloads, a million downloads, 424 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,760 something like that, something to catch a headline. 425 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:24,160 But I also think we need a specific community or a group 426 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,640 to join Noster or to join one of these apps besides Bitcoiners, 427 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,680 because Bitcoiners are already seen as the underdogs 428 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,520 of the world, right? 429 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,960 We're already a small group of people 430 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,040 that kind of do our own thing in the shadows, 431 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,040 and, you know, where we already have a bad spotlight 432 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,080 in the media, and we like that, 433 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,920 but to have a good spotlight in the media, you know, 434 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,240 we need a different group to join, 435 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,760 and like, you know, maybe that's the musicians and artists, 436 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,600 you know, we just, we need another group to come in 437 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,760 and talk about how they're having success 438 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,720 on one of these platforms or inside the Noster protocol 439 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,560 to help kind of grow the media hype around Noster. 440 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,120 - Vanessa, what do you think it needs to do to get past 441 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,960 the grants and the investments and start monetizing? 442 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,680 I mean, maybe I'm asking the wrong question, 443 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,040 but I, and, you know, again, I've only been in the space 444 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:22,880 for about seven months, 445 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,160 but when I look at it, I'm like, okay, like, you know, 446 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,520 this thing's gotta be making money to stay around. 447 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,000 Like, how's it gonna, you know, what is it have to do 448 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,160 to get past the grants to stay in business? 449 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,040 - Yeah, so this is a really popular topic right now, 450 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:44,040 at our, in our team, and I think in Noster, in general, right? 451 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,640 Because obviously, you know, even some of the apps 452 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,520 that do have, you know, BC funding, 453 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,440 that's not necessarily gonna last forever, 454 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,760 they need a model, and I'm sure they have models 455 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,280 that they're working on us from a grant-only perspective. 456 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,800 You know, it's difficult, and we definitely need to find ways 457 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,800 to monetize it, you know, in the immediate future, like, quote, 458 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,880 unquote, maybe next week. 459 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,280 We have something launching where we would take 460 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,360 an optional subscription, so, you know, that is exciting, 461 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,280 'cause it offers some new features, some things that might 462 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,200 benefit certain people, yes, Derek, I'll let you know, 463 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,320 I'll give you the announcement before the announcement. 464 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,960 And so, you know, that's, that's, it's gonna be more 465 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,480 of a test than anything else, right? 466 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,680 Because without that critical mass, as Derek said, 467 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,160 that's only gonna go so far too, 468 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,520 because not everyone's gonna want to do it, 469 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,960 not everyone has to, you still can use the app without it. 470 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,120 But it'll be interesting to see, 471 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,600 and then what could that look like if we scale 472 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,160 10 times, 100 times, whatever, in terms of number of users? 473 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,320 And then I think beyond that, it's things like, 474 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,680 like you said, the other stuff, so, you know, 475 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Dommas is looking at, can we build on top 476 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,040 where, you know, whether it's a gamification part, 477 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,880 if it may be it's something that's specific for certain groups 478 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,960 that they'd be willing to pay for, right? 479 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,360 That's an offshoot of the brand, not necessarily 480 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:15,400 the social media app, because that's, I think, 481 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,800 what's gonna bring people in on mass, right? 482 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,680 So they, they're looking for alternatives to Twitter 483 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,920 or they're, you know, seeing that something happens 484 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,880 and people are switching to Noster, 485 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,680 so that's how they get in. 486 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,480 But beyond that, there, I think there's different ways 487 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,480 we can look at monetizing it as we grow, 488 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,600 but it certainly could happen quicker. 489 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,280 So, it's one of those things that, you know, 490 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,200 you wanna build stuff that people really like 491 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,880 and that's easy to use and has great onboarding, 492 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,320 but at the same time, you do need to be figuring out 493 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,240 the monetization sooner than later. 494 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,800 So it's a bit of a tricky, tricky one to answer, but. 495 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,840 - Yeah, yeah, and I don't envy the position that you're in. 496 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,280 I mean, from a marketing standpoint, 497 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,520 you certainly have, hey, there's, you know, 498 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,360 the benefits of free speech and the benefits 499 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:07,160 of no algorithms and no garden walls and things like that. 500 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,400 And that's one of the things that I absolutely love about it. 501 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,440 I absolutely love the fact that I don't, 502 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,440 I'm not being forced fed some crap that I'm not interested in, you know. 503 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,760 - What's tough about that though is that most people 504 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,000 don't care about that, right? 505 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,760 Like, that is a hard selling point because most people 506 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,640 don't understand it until they need it 507 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,400 or until they experience it or have a friend or family member, 508 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,200 a loved one that experiences the need for decentralization 509 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,640 or the need for censorship resistance. 510 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,960 So it's really hard to tell somebody to use 511 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,520 Noster because of these groundbreaking technologies 512 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,120 when they themselves have never really had the need for it. 513 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,160 So that's a tough selling point. 514 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,280 So I think we need other more prominent features 515 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,440 in selling points. 516 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,240 And I think those will come, right? 517 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Like, I think that we use, again, 518 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,720 we'll all use the, the Royal Wii here and speak broadly 519 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,480 and say we, but. 520 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,240 Noster developers will use the next year or two 521 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,560 while grant money and funding is available to them 522 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,240 to build the underlying tech to get their application, 523 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,960 to get their client ready for the masses. 524 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,320 And then by the time, you know, hopefully that, 525 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,200 by the time that funding model dries up, 526 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,720 the free money disappears, maybe critical mass will be reached 527 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,880 and you'll have a million users where a subscription model 528 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,240 makes sense and other funding models makes sense. 529 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,720 Because right now you won't be able to survive 530 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,080 with a subscription model. 531 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,240 We just don't have enough users. 532 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,440 When we have 25,000 active daily users, 533 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,160 you can't survive on that. 534 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,880 But if we have a million active users, 535 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,520 then you might be able to do that. 536 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520 So we just need to get to that point. 537 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040 So I'm hoping over the next two years 538 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,640 while funding is available that the technology layer is built, 539 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,320 this killer feature is launched and the killer app is launched 540 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,440 and users are on boarder, on boarded to where developers 541 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,240 can get paid rightly so for their work. 542 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,120 Well, what do you think are the big technological developments 543 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:37,440 that need to happen for it to achieve critical mass? 544 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,480 Vanessa can speak a little bit more about DOMIS numbers. 545 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,240 But I think across the board, user retention is a tough one 546 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,440 that people install the apps because they hear 547 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,880 it's the new cool, exciting thing. 548 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,080 And we don't do enough to retain users, 549 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,120 the onboarding process, across almost the entire protocol 550 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,240 on every app that uses NOST. 551 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,040 You could probably be better. 552 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,080 I think search could definitely be better. 553 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,440 Content discoverability could be much better. 554 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,400 So we need to do things that enhance the user experience 555 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,840 to keep users coming back and to bring them back to whichever 556 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,440 app that they're using. 557 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,040 Once that is fixed, then maybe that's the year of discoverability 558 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,160 and the year of user retention is 2024. 559 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,960 Maybe that's what we're going to start focusing on this year. 560 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,720 Now that apps are starting to mature, 561 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,920 and maybe that will help with that. 562 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,480 Yeah, I agree. 563 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,200 Retention is huge. 564 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,080 It's literally at the top of the list of the roadmap right now. 565 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200 Hand in hand with onboarding, obviously, 566 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,960 and apart from that, just general performance 567 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,600 and search is a part of that too, right? 568 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,960 Because it's not fun if you can't find anything. 569 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,040 And yeah, it's an education piece too, in my mind, 570 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,440 from a marketing perspective, right? 571 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,880 Because people just assume that they download it 572 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,440 and it's going to be like Twitter, it's going to be like Instagram. 573 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,960 And it's not, right? 574 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,520 So it's similar, and there are a lot of similarities, 575 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,000 and then there are a lot of benefits to kind of, 576 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,080 to your point, James, but not having any ads 577 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,360 that are bothering you constantly. 578 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,480 I think that's something that people might be appreciative of. 579 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,520 But at the same time, they like the features of Instagram. 580 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,760 So they're OK with allowing that, and they're not willing 581 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,560 to try something new. 582 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,040 So yeah, I think it's all of those things. 583 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,640 And then I also think it is features like the Instagrams, right? 584 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,920 Like there's a reason that people love that app and that they use it. 585 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,080 And so we're looking at ways to incorporate some of those things into Domus 586 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,280 so that it feels a little bit more like that. 587 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,200 And there's tools for some of these bigger users 588 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,400 that have a lot of followers that they can use it to grow their business 589 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,720 and to grow their fans or whatever. 590 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:15,600 And in turn, hopefully bring more of those people over to Noster. 591 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,360 One of the things that I've heard said about it 592 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:24,840 that people don't like is that there's not an adult in the room 593 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,560 to maintain whatever you want to say. 594 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Professionalism, maturity, whatever. 595 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,440 Now, I personally haven't run into a lot of content 596 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,240 that I don't care for or call it adult content or language 597 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,200 or politics that I don't care for, whatever. 598 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:53,640 But when I look at some of the social media apps in the traditional world, 599 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,600 like Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it, 600 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,400 like I don't think there's an adult in the room of that place at all. 601 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Like I can't believe what I see over there. 602 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:09,960 And not like I'm some sort of conservative guy who gets upset by things like that. 603 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,280 But what do you guys think about that comment of like, 604 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,840 hey, one of the things that I don't like, 605 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,840 and this is not me talking, this is comments I've heard from other people, 606 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880 like, well, there's not an adult in the room. 607 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,760 And it can get sideways quickly and it'll just turn into, 608 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,840 since there's no censorship and there's no algorithm and there's no garden wall, 609 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,480 once this thing goes mainstream, it's just going to be a dumpster fire. 610 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,880 Like, how do you guys come back that early? 611 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,040 So it took me a while to understand when I was talking about all the benefits of 612 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,160 nocturne talking about censorship, resistance. 613 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,600 It took me some time to understand that 614 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,400 speech that you, like free speech means all speech. 615 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,640 It means the speech you love, it means the speech you hate, 616 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,000 it means the opinions you agree with, it means the opinions you don't. 617 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:13,360 And it also means the stuff that you don't want to see and the stuff that you don't like to see. 618 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:19,120 But it also means that I have the power as a user to control my own feed. 619 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,000 And you have the power to try to show me things that I don't want to see. 620 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,880 And I can meet you and you still get to say what you want to say and post what you want to post publicly. 621 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:36,360 And since I've needed you, I don't get to see it because I win in that scenario. 622 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,800 And you win in your scenario. 623 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,360 It's win-win for both of us. 624 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,640 We both have the freedom to control and post and do whatever we want. 625 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,280 Now, does that mean that things could get out of control at some point? 626 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,280 Sure. 627 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,360 But there's negativity and there's bad people all over the world. 628 00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:00,080 And if they want to have their little corner of the internet of hate and 629 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,520 little corner of the internet of bad stuff, then that's fine. 630 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:10,120 And I'm going to be over here with my friends and loved ones having positive vibes and 631 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,600 having a good time. 632 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,880 And they can be in their tiny little corner over here of hate. 633 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,400 And that's fine and we don't have to interact. 634 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:25,360 And eventually, you can only be negative in a troll for so long before it's going to go away. 635 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:34,000 And I really, I like to think that Zaps kind of help fix this because we're incentivized 636 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:46,840 to post content that is more positive and content that will have a better impact because 637 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,240 the majority of the human race are nice people. 638 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,080 And your content is going to get zapped and well interacted with and be well received if 639 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,440 it aligns with most of humanity. 640 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,960 And if you're an asshole in the corner of the internet, you're not going to get as many 641 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,200 zaps as I am for my positive content. 642 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:16,040 So yeah, like I hate to say it's going to work itself out because it will give it a long enough 643 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,040 timeline. 644 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,080 And there's going to be some outliers that are bad and some outlying content that's bad 645 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,360 sure, but it's going to be massively, massively outweighed by the good content. 646 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,680 And that's hard to understand, but I think that will be okay. 647 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,600 I think humans will find a way. 648 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,720 I share your view as an optimist, Derek. 649 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,760 And for anybody who doesn't follow Derek Ross on, I mean, will it be that way? 650 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,720 No, because I said that it's going to be a dumpster file probably because that's how the 651 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:48,720 internet works. 652 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,280 I've been around the internet for a long time to know that a shit storm is just unhold 653 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,200 because I tried to sell it as a good point. 654 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,440 But in a long enough timeline, man, it's going to work out. 655 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,320 I really think it is. 656 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,520 I share your optimism and I will say, and I'm not just saying this because you're on the 657 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,800 call, but like every time I open up an Oscar, man, there you are. 658 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,560 Like, hey, good morning, everybody. 659 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,560 I tried. 660 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,560 I'm so happy. 661 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,560 Good night. 662 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,560 Love you guys. 663 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:23,240 Like, Derek, all right in the world, you know, the enthusiasm and energy for the network. 664 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:24,240 It's great. 665 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,840 You know, I'm doing my part, man, I'm trying. 666 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,520 Yeah, there's enough negative energy in the world. 667 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,680 We don't need any more positive energy attracts it, you know? 668 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,800 So I do share your optimism on that. 669 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,680 Vanessa, what are your thoughts on that comment or on that question of no adults in the 670 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:49,040 room and positive versus negative energy in the space and how it survives? 671 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,040 What do you think? 672 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:56,000 Yeah, I think it's another big topic, kind of with the team here. 673 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:04,800 And I think because we have so many motivated developers working in this space, a lot of 674 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:12,000 whom are really positive people, I think, and who wants the same future that Derek sees. 675 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,040 So I think because we have all of that and there's so much collaboration and it's not just 676 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,480 one, again, centralized system that's saying, here's what we're going to see. 677 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,880 And here's how we're going to moderate it. 678 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,800 But we have the ability if there are things that come up that are real problems. 679 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,720 I think that they'll work together as a community to come up with tools to combat that, right? 680 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:41,760 So like we were even talking about kind of the topic of private relays or private groups, 681 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,520 communities, those types of things that I know you've been interested in as well. 682 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,840 And you know, we'll mention that there's ways that, you know, we can put relay moderation 683 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,080 tools in place. 684 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,680 We can help people to figure out how to run their own relays potentially or have kind 685 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,960 of join me a noster to my own private group that you can then put on your own website 686 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,840 or Twitter or whatever and bring people over to your own private space. 687 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,000 It's not that that's going to work 100% of the time and there's still going to be a lot 688 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,600 of modifications that are needed. 689 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,600 But I think as long as there's still innovators in this space and I mean, like true innovators 690 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,760 who are not just like, I'm doing this because I want to paycheck and I'm going to develop 691 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:26,520 what I've been told, but people who really care and want to see a real future for social 692 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,840 media. 693 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:34,080 So I think that's our strength really at this point is just that we're not that typical 694 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:40,920 one corporate entity that's going to decide that everybody needs to see horrible videos 695 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,440 of violence in order to stay interested in their product. 696 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,440 Yeah. 697 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,440 Go ahead there. 698 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,000 As I said, Vanessa, you're absolutely right. 699 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:00,160 We don't have algorithms feeding us negative content for clicks and views to keep us engaged. 700 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,720 We have positive human interaction. 701 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:13,560 I think that noster really changes your outlook on social media, social networking because 702 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,880 of that. 703 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,360 We don't have this constant negative vibe that makes you feel bad for using social media 704 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,120 like you would if you were doomed scrolling on Twitter. 705 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,600 We just don't have that. 706 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,040 Now that could also be partly because we have such a small amount of users, but also we 707 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,480 don't have software that's keeping us negatively engaged either. 708 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,200 I really think that's part of it. 709 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,960 You know, your partner will there. 710 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,120 He often says that we're just humans being humans on noster, right? 711 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,160 We don't have software getting in the way and degrading the experience. 712 00:38:53,160 --> 00:39:02,200 Yeah, Derek, the community thing that Vanessa mentioned is something that has come up and 713 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:10,360 we breached out to Vanessa and Will on with respect to a community room from musicians, right? 714 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,160 Like imagine if you're man like Quacks, right? 715 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,640 Shout out to man like Quacks in Tanzania. 716 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,520 And you want to have a private room for all your supporters where you can say, hey, I'm 717 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,680 going to do a Q&A about my latest song. 718 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,160 And I'm going to bring in Kavenia from Italy. 719 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,760 She's going to join in on the conversation. 720 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,720 Join us here at like nine o'clock Eastern and over here in this room, right? 721 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:43,080 Like that's what we were kind of that's what we had reached out to Will on. 722 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:50,280 And it's actually something that I think Terry and I don't know how to pronounce Terry's 723 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,280 last name. 724 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,280 Why? 725 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,000 I you, right? 726 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,000 Terry you. 727 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000 Terry you. 728 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:04,120 And we met in November, down at Bitcoin Park, because he was developing in like a side of 729 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:10,840 Noster that was kind of synonymous with a convention app, right? 730 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,760 Yes, like you go ahead, Derek. 731 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,960 Yeah, it was, I don't remember the new name. 732 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,080 It was originally called Comster and then he rebranded it to a much better sounding name. 733 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,520 Yeah, but you would know it's much better. 734 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,240 I can't remember what it's called, but yeah, yeah, Terry is a talented Noster developer. 735 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,480 And I think also Domas contributor as well. 736 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,840 Yeah, and I told them, I pull them aside and I'm like, hey man, that's really cool. 737 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:44,760 Like it's kind of like like a group, like like an HOA group, an HOA Facebook group, right? 738 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:54,780 Like to be able to do that in Noster, I think would be beneficial for musicians or knitting 739 00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:56,060 club. 740 00:40:56,060 --> 00:41:02,740 Whatever, you know, anybody, I think that's something that would be really cool to be able to implement. 741 00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:08,660 And I know as we onboard musicians here at Fan of Power, that's something that I would 742 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:14,980 love to be able to do because part of what we're going to be doing when we onboard musicians 743 00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:20,140 is teaching them about Noster, teaching them about RSS feeds, teaching them about how to get 744 00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:22,100 a wallet, teaching them about Bitcoin. 745 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:30,340 And to be able to do that, potentially in Noster would make life easy because we could zap back 746 00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:33,180 and forth and, you know, about a being about a boom. 747 00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:38,820 So that's one of the things that I think is pretty special about it if we can make it happen. 748 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:39,820 Absolutely. 749 00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:42,260 No, I think it's the natural place to do it, right? 750 00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:48,100 I just think of determining, you know, what the needs are and how best to do it. 751 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,220 And you mentioned some of those other groups, right? 752 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:55,780 And there are groups that are beginning to form a similar interest and they are, you know, 753 00:41:55,780 --> 00:42:01,180 starting to interact and sell their goods, whether they be, you know, like you said, knitting 754 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,940 products or whatever it is, right? 755 00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:10,140 And so that's cool because those people will, if they grow, they'll kind of be asking for 756 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:12,860 things that they might need. 757 00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:17,540 And that in turn leads to developers saying, hey, you know what, I can build that. 758 00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:19,620 And this is how I propose to do it. 759 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:23,100 That's usually how some of these new products are coming out, right? 760 00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:28,100 Where people have an idea and then just about how to implement it and who's going to implement it. 761 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:29,100 Yeah. 762 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:30,100 Interesting. 763 00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:36,100 Well, let me put, let me start throwing on the independent musicians hat. 764 00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:39,100 And you guys know where I stand on this. 765 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:45,460 But let me just review it for anybody who is new to the podcast. 766 00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:53,540 I have never been more excited about being an independent artist than I am now. 767 00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:58,020 I was a singer, songwriter and Los Angeles from 95 to 03. 768 00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:59,180 I got really lucky. 769 00:42:59,180 --> 00:43:06,060 I did more than most people ever get a chance to do TV tours, radio, but I never signed 770 00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:07,060 a big deal. 771 00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:11,580 I signed a couple of publishing deals and got some mailbox money for years. 772 00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:19,660 But what I have seen happen in value for value and at wave lake in the past seven months when 773 00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:23,700 I met the guys from wave lake during the lightning summit. 774 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:31,700 And I have seen the success that artists like just loud and Joe Martin have had are having 775 00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:35,780 an angelic hostel are having in this space. 776 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:40,980 I've never been more excited about the about being an independent musician than I am 777 00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:41,980 now. 778 00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:48,900 I am, you know, they have the tools at their disposal to be completely sovereign and to 779 00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:56,300 turn down really crappy offers from record labels. 780 00:43:56,300 --> 00:44:02,980 So let's, let's put our, our drinking hats on and let's say the three of us, myself, Vanessa 781 00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:05,820 and Derek are at a bar in Nashville. 782 00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:08,940 And we just saw this amazing band. 783 00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:16,540 And we're like, we got to get these guys into the roster and we got to get them into Bitcoin. 784 00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:17,540 What do we say? 785 00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:18,540 How do we pitch it? 786 00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:19,540 Vanessa, you're first. 787 00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:20,540 How do you pitch it? 788 00:44:20,540 --> 00:44:23,940 I think Derek has a lot more experience with this. 789 00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:27,340 Come on, you're the marketing get you're the marketing guru. 790 00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:30,820 No, I'm just unofficial marketer. 791 00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:32,260 I don't wear the official hat like you. 792 00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:33,260 I'm unofficial too. 793 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:36,020 But no, it's a really good question. 794 00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:39,900 And I think, you know, it's interesting that you say, how do we get them on a stere, how 795 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:41,620 do we get them on Bitcoin? 796 00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:47,900 Because those are two, you know, they are different things because it's a bit of a leap 797 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,780 right to just automatically be like, yep, I believe in Bitcoin. 798 00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:51,780 No problem. 799 00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:52,780 I'll start getting paid in Bitcoin. 800 00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:57,260 You know, will always talks about his experience working at Monster Cat, the label where 801 00:44:57,260 --> 00:45:02,140 he suggested many, many years ago that the artists start getting paid in Bitcoin and that 802 00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:04,940 was quite, I don't know. 803 00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:06,940 The reaction was not necessarily. 804 00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:09,100 Obviously, they said, no, he said screw you. 805 00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:10,700 I'm going to be. 806 00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:12,380 So he implemented a way that it could happen. 807 00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:17,100 And, you know, I think that was kind of the genesis of Zaps eventually and all of that. 808 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:22,980 So it does have a music background component because I've seen how much of a struggle it 809 00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:27,500 is for independent artists to be paid for their work and, you know, the problem with bigger 810 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,060 labels and stuff like that. 811 00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:34,700 So I think if I was to start a conversation, it would be kind of getting information from 812 00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:35,700 them. 813 00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:37,580 So, you know, what are some of the struggles you're having? 814 00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:40,620 How are you currently trying to sell your music? 815 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:46,700 What are you currently doing to try to market yourself and then find ways to show them how 816 00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:48,540 Noster could be different? 817 00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:49,540 Right? 818 00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:57,020 So the ease of being able to share, the ease of being able to make money so simply, again, 819 00:45:57,020 --> 00:46:00,900 you can weave in the Zaps conversation with that. 820 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:05,660 It being able to be themselves not having to censor anything. 821 00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:12,340 And then if they're able to catch the attention of some, you know, fairly prominent people, 822 00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:14,340 that gets reposted. 823 00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:19,900 And, you know, I think if you showed them kind of the evolution of how that can happen, especially 824 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:25,740 within a year and now looking forward, I think it could be, you know, quite a good spell. 825 00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:33,500 But it's certainly, it's going to be a little while before they see, you know, how big this 826 00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,060 thing could be. 827 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:40,740 But any conversation I've had with any artist, whether they be musical or otherwise, like 828 00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:45,180 I'm wearing a sweatshirt right now from one of our, it's cute, I don't know if you can see 829 00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:46,180 it, it's up. 830 00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:52,140 One of our contributors out of Japan who, you know, really loved Domis, started doing 831 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:55,460 some designs, started doing Noster designs. 832 00:46:55,460 --> 00:47:00,580 He's now getting a lot of attention from, you know, even Jack Dorsey and for people who 833 00:47:00,580 --> 00:47:03,020 are looking at buying her stuff. 834 00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:08,540 And so it's amazing how just these little connections can make a difference. 835 00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:13,820 And yeah, so it's, I think that's how it approached is getting more information from them 836 00:47:13,820 --> 00:47:18,260 first and finding how to tie that into what we can help them with. 837 00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:20,700 Do you know Sean Yeager at Ambas? 838 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:21,700 Oh, yes. 839 00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:22,700 Yeah. 840 00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:28,460 You and Sean are cut from the same cloth. 841 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:29,460 Wow. 842 00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:30,460 What are your pain points? 843 00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:31,460 What do you have in the store? 844 00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:32,460 Yeah. 845 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:33,460 Yeah. 846 00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:36,460 What do you, I wouldn't use that terminology so much because I can't stand that in my regular 847 00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:37,460 job. 848 00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:42,500 So before like, you know, hey, what are you, what are you struggling with? 849 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:43,500 It's really casual. 850 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,940 But you have to know what problems there haven't seen. 851 00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:46,940 You can solve it. 852 00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:49,020 You can't solve it if you don't know what the problem is. 853 00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:58,540 But so I think the best way to, well, so I figured out what the problem is, we have a real 854 00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:03,500 world example that happened almost a month ago, right? 855 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:12,660 Like we had two artists that made almost 19 million sats over the course of two nights, right? 856 00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:17,260 By live streaming, just by live streaming on NOSTER, right? 857 00:48:17,260 --> 00:48:24,300 The real world, I think scenarios, real world numbers are really powerful saying that, you 858 00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:30,300 know, we had an artist just loud that had 10 million downloads on Spotify and made, what 859 00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:31,300 did he say? 860 00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:32,300 Like, nothing. 861 00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:33,300 Like, nothing. 862 00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:34,300 Yeah. 863 00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:35,300 He made, he made nothing. 864 00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:39,900 And over the course of two days, like, I don't remember what the exact number was, but between 865 00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:53,180 Ainsley and Just Loud, they made 19 million sats. 866 00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:54,180 That's insane. 867 00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:55,180 In one time. 868 00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:55,820 And NOSTER doesn't have a whole lot of people that, you know, we're nowhere near 10 million users 869 00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:58,140 for those 10 million downloads, right? 870 00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:03,660 Like there was only a few thousand people that probably watched the stream. 871 00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:10,100 I think that those real world numbers and using that example, you know, come up with, you know, 872 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:16,220 get all the hard numbers that we can come up with a one sheet, come up with all this information, 873 00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:20,940 you know, and make it a nice, pretty info graphic on the one sheet and say, hey, this is how 874 00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:22,740 many users were watching. 875 00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:25,940 This is how many sats they made in today's dollar value. 876 00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:26,940 It's this. 877 00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:32,580 And then highlight the fact that they didn't have to ask anyone's permission to do it. 878 00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:34,820 They didn't have to have a record label. 879 00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:39,540 They didn't have to do splits with marketers and, you know, you probably, James, you probably 880 00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:40,540 know more about than I do. 881 00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:42,820 How many other people take pieces of your pie? 882 00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:44,700 You don't have to do any of that. 883 00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:48,820 It went directly to the artist of direct, which of the musician? 884 00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:54,780 Like I really think that that using that, and thankfully we have this now, we have this, 885 00:49:54,780 --> 00:50:02,540 this hard example to use to onboard the next musician and show them the power of independent 886 00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:10,460 and sovereign artists have with people that understand and people that love to promote value 887 00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:11,460 for value. 888 00:50:11,460 --> 00:50:16,100 Yeah, that's a great example that I have been using in it, but I'll be honest with you. 889 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:22,940 I'll say, look, you got to kind of temper what happened with with Ainsley and Just Loud. 890 00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:26,100 Like that was kind of like the first event of its kind. 891 00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:30,260 And you had a lot of people jumping in and donating for two reasons. 892 00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:33,420 Like, hey, let's just make sure the technology works, right? 893 00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:38,580 Because there was a lot of devs and a lot of, I mean, they're like dovidas. 894 00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:40,700 You know, he was up all night. 895 00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:42,780 Oscar Mary was up all night. 896 00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,700 You know, there was a, there was a lot of people all around the world that had invested interest 897 00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:50,620 in making sure the technology of it worked. 898 00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:55,260 So I think you got to kind of take it as wonderful and beautiful as that. 899 00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:58,300 All of that success is you got to kind of take it with a little bit of grain of salt, 900 00:50:58,300 --> 00:50:59,820 because it was the first of its kind. 901 00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:04,380 Yeah, not everyone is going to have that type of turnout and that type of support. 902 00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:05,380 You're right. 903 00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:06,380 Right. 904 00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:07,380 Right. 905 00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:09,140 It is still extremely powerful. 906 00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:17,980 And what I have been telling some artists is, look, like, how much are you making on Spotify 907 00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:18,980 right now? 908 00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:20,180 They're like, well, I'm not making anything. 909 00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:27,660 I'm like, okay, well, you're not making anything on Spotify, but you could be making 100 bucks, 910 00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:31,180 500 bucks a month doing this. 911 00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:39,860 Now what if you started incorporating live streaming into your business plan and you double 912 00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:40,860 that? 913 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:42,860 Like, it's, it's not uncommon. 914 00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:49,500 It's not hard for me to think that somebody could be making anywhere from one to $10,000 915 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:51,980 a month in this space. 916 00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:55,740 If they know how to push it, if they've got all the tech lined up and if they know how 917 00:51:55,740 --> 00:52:02,420 to push it, and even like, something as simple as saying, as saying to these fans, like, I 918 00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:07,340 just like, like, I got a band from the UK who's going to be uploading stuff this week, one 919 00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:11,820 of my favorite bands, independent four young kids all in their early 20s. 920 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:16,980 They sound like if you two and cold play got in a car accident, that's what they sound like. 921 00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:18,940 Yeah, they're amazing. 922 00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:25,700 I'm like, look, guys, like, you know, if even if it, even if it goes slow and you only made 923 00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:32,540 $2,000, $3,000 bucks this year, would that pay for another song to be done? 924 00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:35,780 That's better than the zero they're making from Spotify. 925 00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:36,780 Yeah. 926 00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:37,780 Yeah. 927 00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:39,300 Anything is better than zero. 928 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:40,300 Anything is better. 929 00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:44,420 And once you get, once you put it to them that way, they're like, oh, yeah. 930 00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:45,420 Yeah, what the hell? 931 00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:50,940 Well, if they're already, if they're already uploading their content to Spotify, not making 932 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:55,420 anything, anything, why not upload it to Wave Lake where you could potentially make a few 933 00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:57,260 dollars here and there. 934 00:52:57,260 --> 00:53:02,980 You know, like, that doesn't, that's, it's not going to cost you anything more to do. 935 00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:05,220 It's just going to cost you a few minutes to do it. 936 00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:10,100 We're not talking about doing a massive live streaming event like we did a month ago, right? 937 00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:14,860 This is just getting your foot in the door and just uploading your content to a secondary 938 00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:15,860 space. 939 00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:16,860 That's all. 940 00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:17,860 Yeah. 941 00:53:17,860 --> 00:53:20,500 And there's a lot of good personalities too on, on Noster. 942 00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:22,660 Sorry, just beyond their music itself, right? 943 00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:27,900 So if they, you know, not, not necessarily to the extent of a TikTok, but it could be more 944 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:33,300 simple where they just kind of tell a little bit about their process or where they're from 945 00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:38,900 and try to get some of like the local support from certain countries or different things, 946 00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:39,900 right? 947 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:44,180 And then what we found is, you know, there's certain waves of people that come on, right? 948 00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:49,140 And so, you know, we had a TikTok or out of Thailand who brought in, you know, 10,000 downloads 949 00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:50,140 in a day. 950 00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:54,700 Like, it was, which is for us, that's pretty significant. 951 00:53:54,700 --> 00:54:00,460 So it could be that, you know, if these artists have, have decent, you know, online personas 952 00:54:00,460 --> 00:54:04,220 they can create or that they have and they're honest and they show, you know, some of that 953 00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:10,180 background content that could then lead to more people wanting to support them in either 954 00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:12,940 the content they post or the live stream example. 955 00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:17,300 But that also doesn't have to cost a lot and it doesn't have to take much time and you 956 00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:18,860 don't even need to run a website, really. 957 00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:22,780 You can do your whole, you can just have a, you know, your account on Noster and that could 958 00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:24,100 be enough. 959 00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:27,380 And nobody does that better in Noster than man like Quacks. 960 00:54:27,380 --> 00:54:29,540 That is a really good job. 961 00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:30,540 Yeah. 962 00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:32,060 That food is so good. 963 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:37,740 He is so, aside from just being a marvelous human and a good rapper, like he understands 964 00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:38,740 marketing. 965 00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:41,820 I mean, this is, this is a social media is a puppy, man. 966 00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:45,780 If you don't feed it and pet it every day, it's going to die on you, you know? 967 00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:51,540 And we don't have algorithms generally speaking on Noster to bring engagement and to bring 968 00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:53,140 a content forward. 969 00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:58,100 So we say you have to be your own algorithm and that, that just means that you need to engage 970 00:54:58,100 --> 00:54:59,300 with your followers. 971 00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:04,620 You need to engage with people that you follow to let them know that you're there. 972 00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:07,660 And that's just as simple as just commenting and interacting. 973 00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:08,980 You need, you need to do that. 974 00:55:08,980 --> 00:55:10,460 You need to put in the work. 975 00:55:10,460 --> 00:55:15,540 So once you let people know that you're there and you're engaging and you're active, they 976 00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:17,380 will check out your content. 977 00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:22,740 They'll check out your music in man like Quacks like, yeah, he's, he's a great engageer. 978 00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:28,220 He posts his content everywhere, but besides posting it, he's also engaging in other people's 979 00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:31,220 content too and commenting and interacting. 980 00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:32,820 He's doing it right. 981 00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:34,620 And zap and back and forth. 982 00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:35,620 Yeah. 983 00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:36,620 Zap and back and forth. 984 00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:37,620 Absolutely. 985 00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:38,620 Send a little zap. 986 00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:43,220 You know, that's one thing we didn't mention is zap partizing is a way too, right? 987 00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:44,860 You have a new song. 988 00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:50,580 You just posted it to, you know, wherever you posted it to flare.pub or YouTube or Spotify 989 00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:56,400 or or wave lake and you want somebody to check out your music, you can send them some 990 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,620 sats to promote your content. 991 00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:02,260 And zap partizing is just for those not familiar. 992 00:56:02,260 --> 00:56:08,500 It's just a way to send somebody a little bit of money to view your content. 993 00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:13,180 They'll get the sats, maybe they'll get the dollar or they'll get the quarter or whatever 994 00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:17,300 you decide to send somebody in their Bitcoin wallet. 995 00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:23,340 They'll see a notification that you sent them a link to your content and you're paying 996 00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:24,540 them to view it. 997 00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:27,060 So zap partizing really works well. 998 00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:33,540 We've seen a lot of brands and people have success over it over the past year. 999 00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:43,700 Vanessa, what do you or for either one of you really with respect to musicians in this space? 1000 00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:50,820 I know that wave lake is working on some sort of integration with Noster. 1001 00:56:50,820 --> 00:56:58,260 But do you anticipate bands being able to place their music directly on Domas or on Amethyst 1002 00:56:58,260 --> 00:57:09,580 or like how do you see like the musicians and Noster really getting more closely integrated? 1003 00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:15,340 Well in terms of the tech side of things, you know, Domas is definitely working on and I'm 1004 00:57:15,340 --> 00:57:21,460 sure the other clients are working on better video playing in general, right? 1005 00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:27,540 So not just integration stuff, but literally like if you were to post a video in the app 1006 00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:34,700 right now specifically even like longer videos or higher res videos or whatever and some 1007 00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:40,620 of the you know, toggling back and forth and the controls and stuff when it comes to video 1008 00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:41,620 playing. 1009 00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:45,580 That's definitely on on our radar to be continually improving. 1010 00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:52,220 I don't know if you can speak to wave lake at all, Derek. 1011 00:57:52,220 --> 00:58:01,980 So we do have multiple clients that do support playing audio directly from what's in the 1012 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:06,980 client playing an audio file or playing you know a video file. 1013 00:58:06,980 --> 00:58:11,580 They all do it a little bit differently like Amethyst will play audio and video directly 1014 00:58:11,580 --> 00:58:16,580 in the client snort or iris in the web will do it as well. 1015 00:58:16,580 --> 00:58:21,020 And it all depends on how the artists would post that content. 1016 00:58:21,020 --> 00:58:27,780 They're just posting a link to the audio file or if they're posting a link to the wave lake 1017 00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:28,780 file. 1018 00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:30,300 It depends on the client. 1019 00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:33,180 For example, like snort and iris on the web. 1020 00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:38,420 If you post a wave lake file, it's automatically embedded and it'll play it and it looks really 1021 00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:39,900 pretty. 1022 00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:49,180 But on Amethyst, the Android app, if you post a wave lake link, it doesn't look as pretty. 1023 00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:53,980 But if you posted an audio file, a link to an audio file, it would look pretty. 1024 00:58:53,980 --> 00:59:02,700 So there's some user experience enhancements that need to be addressed to make them look 1025 00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:06,900 pretty across more clients, I would say. 1026 00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:07,900 But it does exist. 1027 00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:11,020 It just depends on which client you're using. 1028 00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:16,860 Yeah, I will admit, like I don't know enough about how it's going to integrate over on 1029 00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:17,860 the master side. 1030 00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:21,580 And I'm actually looking for, I don't know if you guys are going to Phoenix next month, 1031 00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:27,220 but I'm going to go down there to the to the master event and Phoenix and hang out with 1032 00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:31,860 those guys and hopefully I can learn a lot more about it. 1033 00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:32,860 And I apologize. 1034 00:59:32,860 --> 00:59:37,500 I want to jump back over to zappetizing Derek. 1035 00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:41,060 I didn't mean to cut you off and jump straight over to video, but I just had that thing in my 1036 00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:43,580 head and I wanted to get it out. 1037 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:48,900 Vanessa, let me ask you about zappetizing and what Derek was talking about. 1038 00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,660 How do you see that moving forward? 1039 00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:57,420 Are you, what's Thomas's thought with respect to how to market that? 1040 00:59:57,420 --> 01:00:04,820 Yeah, so zappetizing was something we were really, really excited about early on, especially 1041 01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:10,860 before we had a little bit of an issue with Apple and the zapp notes and everything. 1042 01:00:10,860 --> 01:00:13,100 But that said, I still think it's great. 1043 01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:23,020 I mean, we as an app are using it to an extent, right, in terms of using zappas as ways of getting 1044 01:00:23,020 --> 01:00:24,820 some value for what we're creating. 1045 01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:29,060 The zappetizing itself, I think, is going to be huge. 1046 01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:38,100 I mean, we've got some people like Walker who, again, were not making much money if at all 1047 01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:44,780 on their Twitter content, but now are using zappetizing very successfully, I would say, 1048 01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:46,340 a monster. 1049 01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:49,660 So it's exciting. 1050 01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:55,140 I think that there's a lot of work to do there still and kind of navigating some of the 1051 01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:57,180 ways we can go about it. 1052 01:00:57,180 --> 01:01:01,380 But yeah, I think it could be the future, actually. 1053 01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:02,380 Okay. 1054 01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:03,380 Good. 1055 01:01:03,380 --> 01:01:07,820 Well, you guys have been nice enough to give me an hour of your time so far. 1056 01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:11,500 And let me wrap it up with a couple of quick and dumb questions. 1057 01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:15,940 And these are more for me than anything else. 1058 01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:20,660 Number one, and I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to steal this stuff because 1059 01:01:20,660 --> 01:01:26,860 I'm going to share it with musicians, especially bass players, because bass players are notoriously 1060 01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:31,220 moronic, because they only have to play one note at a time on four strings. 1061 01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:33,140 Don't you play bass? 1062 01:01:33,140 --> 01:01:34,140 What's that? 1063 01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:37,100 Don't you play bass? 1064 01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:38,100 Maybe. 1065 01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:41,180 You might have seen me in some videos somewhere. 1066 01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:43,180 I think I did. 1067 01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:44,180 Yeah, I don't know. 1068 01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:47,740 I've been growing this beard out for about five, six weeks. 1069 01:01:47,740 --> 01:01:50,940 Maybe nobody will recognize me anymore. 1070 01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:51,940 All right. 1071 01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:56,340 Said what's the simplest and best way to set up a profile? 1072 01:01:56,340 --> 01:01:59,460 Any tips you guys can give on setting up a profile? 1073 01:01:59,460 --> 01:02:01,380 Derek? 1074 01:02:01,380 --> 01:02:09,220 Well, you know, it gets a little confusing because the first question we need to ask is to 1075 01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:13,180 use Android or do you use iOS? 1076 01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:14,180 You do. 1077 01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:15,660 You're an Android user. 1078 01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:17,820 But all the musicians are on iOS. 1079 01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:21,580 I think I'm the only one who's on Android. 1080 01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:24,460 See, Noster has so many different clients out there. 1081 01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:31,300 But I would say if you're an Android user, you're going to want to use Amethyst or Primal. 1082 01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:33,540 To set up your profile. 1083 01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:39,980 If you're an Apple user, you're going to use Domus or Primal where there's a couple other 1084 01:02:39,980 --> 01:02:40,980 ones. 1085 01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:44,020 Those are probably the two most popular ones. 1086 01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:46,300 We're partial to Domus here. 1087 01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:50,540 That's what my wife uses and I use Amethyst. 1088 01:02:50,540 --> 01:02:52,540 There you go. 1089 01:02:52,540 --> 01:03:00,580 You know, but the onboarding process of Amethyst doesn't exist. 1090 01:03:00,580 --> 01:03:06,020 It's gross and ugly and it's confusing. 1091 01:03:06,020 --> 01:03:09,460 It's what we have right now. 1092 01:03:09,460 --> 01:03:14,020 Primal, I honestly don't remember what the onboarding process is like because I haven't 1093 01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:17,420 reinstalled the app from scratch in a long time. 1094 01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:20,140 Maybe they have a better onboarding process right now. 1095 01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:25,980 But you want to use either of those two apps and you want to set up your profile. 1096 01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:29,100 And there's, like I said, there's not going to be an onboarding process that's going to 1097 01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:31,100 walk you through it. 1098 01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,980 So you're going to want to visit your profile and you're going to want to fill it out. 1099 01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:38,980 You're going to want to put your name, your username, user names aren't unique like it is on 1100 01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:39,980 Twitter. 1101 01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:43,780 So you can have any username you want and you want to put a profile picture. 1102 01:03:43,780 --> 01:03:45,380 You want to put a banner. 1103 01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:50,260 You want to set up a lightning wallet so you can get Saps. 1104 01:03:50,260 --> 01:03:52,780 Primal now has a built-in lightning wallet. 1105 01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:56,820 So you don't really have to worry about that. 1106 01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:58,220 It comes with one for you. 1107 01:03:58,220 --> 01:04:00,820 You just tap a button to turn it on. 1108 01:04:00,820 --> 01:04:02,940 That makes things easier. 1109 01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:06,980 And then on iOS, I'll let the iOS expert talk about that. 1110 01:04:06,980 --> 01:04:09,460 Yeah, it was the best way to set it up on iOS. 1111 01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:12,060 Yeah, I mean, I totally biased. 1112 01:04:12,060 --> 01:04:14,940 So I would say that you saw this. 1113 01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:20,540 I have not tried to do Primal's new onboarding or anything. 1114 01:04:20,540 --> 01:04:22,340 I'm sure it's great. 1115 01:04:22,340 --> 01:04:23,340 But from iOS, yeah. 1116 01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:28,660 So we have improved the domicon onboarding to an extent. 1117 01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:35,140 So there are follow recommendations, #Recommendations and tips things. 1118 01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:37,980 And you auto follow or main accounts. 1119 01:04:37,980 --> 01:04:41,460 A couple other things like that that make it a little bit easier. 1120 01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:48,500 Reminding you to keep a copy of your private key and those types of things that people don't 1121 01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:50,260 always think about. 1122 01:04:50,260 --> 01:04:56,220 But I would say one of the big piece of advice I would have for people is just have fun with 1123 01:04:56,220 --> 01:04:58,140 your profile itself. 1124 01:04:58,140 --> 01:05:00,020 So tell people about you. 1125 01:05:00,020 --> 01:05:06,740 Maybe include a few key points about what you're interested in. 1126 01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:11,340 It's funny to think back a year from right now where it was really difficult to upload your 1127 01:05:11,340 --> 01:05:14,340 profile picture and your banner and everything. 1128 01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:18,300 Luckily, that's at the click of a button, at least on DOS. 1129 01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:21,620 So that's nice and easy and you can have fun with that. 1130 01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:28,860 And then, yeah, and then I think the biggest, biggest thing is just start to engage with people. 1131 01:05:28,860 --> 01:05:31,020 And it doesn't have to be anything crazy. 1132 01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:37,620 I think in the latest version, we offer some example, like an example first post and the fact 1133 01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:43,940 that you should follow the introduction hashtag, which has led to I think a lot of good new 1134 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:48,420 users being able to find people that they're interested in. 1135 01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:51,780 One of my tips is to find somebody. 1136 01:05:51,780 --> 01:05:56,620 And again, I, you know, Domestert, I think, is decent now actually to find certain people. 1137 01:05:56,620 --> 01:05:59,820 But find somebody you think is really cool and interesting. 1138 01:05:59,820 --> 01:06:01,220 It could be Derek. 1139 01:06:01,220 --> 01:06:02,820 It could be whoever. 1140 01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:06,940 It could be somebody, you know, quasi-famous on the network. 1141 01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:10,260 You want to look at who's snowed and fall is I'm not sure what his looks looks like now. 1142 01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:11,260 But. 1143 01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:13,900 And then, yeah, and then take a look at who they're following and start falling. 1144 01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:18,500 Some of those people and then as soon as you find somebody that has similar content, engage 1145 01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:23,580 with that person, repost or note with, you know, renote what they're saying and then try 1146 01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:26,100 to follow some of the people that they follow. 1147 01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:29,900 And that's how you, you know, kind of curate your own experience. 1148 01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:33,620 It seems like it would be a lot of work, but I know it's not really when you think about 1149 01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:37,820 the hours and hours people spend on TikTok just looking. 1150 01:06:37,820 --> 01:06:41,420 It's just a bit of a different way of engaging on social media. 1151 01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:43,420 I don't think it's more work. 1152 01:06:43,420 --> 01:06:44,580 I just think it's different. 1153 01:06:44,580 --> 01:06:48,820 And you know, this is coming from a completely non-social media person until a year ago. 1154 01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:55,700 So, so yeah, and then, you know, just don't, don't be afraid to put yourself out there, 1155 01:06:55,700 --> 01:07:00,380 especially as a content creator as an artist, you know, just start to ask questions of other 1156 01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:05,900 people too and see what they're interested in hearing about or seen from you. 1157 01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:11,380 And then you'll be surprised how quickly you should get some pretty decent response 1158 01:07:11,380 --> 01:07:15,460 as Derek, should you buy your name? 1159 01:07:15,460 --> 01:07:20,260 Like, what, what is that that I, I think I see on your website, like you can get like, 1160 01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:22,380 like I could buy some power media. 1161 01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:24,660 Yeah, so let me tell you what that is. 1162 01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:28,980 That's kind of like how I got started in this whole space a year ago. 1163 01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:33,660 Noster has something called a Noster address. 1164 01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:39,660 And what they do is they allow you to be easily identified and insurchable and found 1165 01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:43,740 and make your name unique on Noster. 1166 01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:49,740 Otherwise, you're not going to tell anybody this really big, ugly, long string of characters 1167 01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:52,140 is your account name. 1168 01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:53,580 That's, that's hard to remember. 1169 01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:54,580 It doesn't look pretty. 1170 01:07:54,580 --> 01:07:55,580 It's not sexy. 1171 01:07:55,580 --> 01:07:57,580 No one's ever going to remember it. 1172 01:07:57,580 --> 01:08:04,980 So, myself and a few other people started service platforms for users to go and, you know, 1173 01:08:04,980 --> 01:08:07,300 buy your name, as you said, register your name. 1174 01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,700 If you own your own website, if you have your own domain name, you should absolutely use 1175 01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:12,820 your existing website to do this. 1176 01:08:12,820 --> 01:08:15,580 If you don't know how to do it, you can send me a message. 1177 01:08:15,580 --> 01:08:16,580 I will gladly help you. 1178 01:08:16,580 --> 01:08:20,100 I helped countless people over the past few years set it up themselves. 1179 01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:24,380 But if you would just like to click a few buttons and do it, you can go to NosterPlebs.com 1180 01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:28,780 and register your, your name and pay a little bit of Bitcoin. 1181 01:08:28,780 --> 01:08:32,860 Like, just a couple dollars worth of Bitcoin and you can have your name. 1182 01:08:32,860 --> 01:08:36,100 Like I said, otherwise, you can set it up yourself. 1183 01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:40,700 I want to backtrack one second since we were talking about onboarding. 1184 01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:49,740 If you visit, if you visit the website, n-o-s-t-a.me, if you visit this website, it's probably 1185 01:08:49,740 --> 01:08:53,380 the best Noster onboarding experience. 1186 01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:56,900 It walks you through setting up everything. 1187 01:08:56,900 --> 01:09:02,300 And you can even generate a NosterP from, from here. 1188 01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:05,820 N-o-s-t-a. 1189 01:09:05,820 --> 01:09:07,820 N-o-s-t-a.me. 1190 01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:14,300 It's a website that focuses strictly on the onboarding experience and the profile completion 1191 01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:16,860 and stuff like that. 1192 01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:22,420 But yeah, you don't have to use a Noster address, but we're kind of familiar with them as 1193 01:09:22,420 --> 01:09:23,420 humans. 1194 01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:24,580 We know what an email address is. 1195 01:09:24,580 --> 01:09:27,860 We know that some of us know what a lightning address is for Bitcoin. 1196 01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:30,940 And now you have a Noster address. 1197 01:09:30,940 --> 01:09:31,940 Yeah, it's funny. 1198 01:09:31,940 --> 01:09:40,300 I signed up for it when I first met Sam at Wabelake back in July. 1199 01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:41,700 I didn't have a lightning wallet. 1200 01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:43,020 I didn't have Noster. 1201 01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:46,020 And I was sitting there with one of his coworkers. 1202 01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:47,700 I think it was Josh. 1203 01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:50,260 And I'm like, I don't have any of this stuff. 1204 01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:53,660 And I just handed him my phone and my hair. 1205 01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:59,460 And within like two minutes, I had amethyst and I had wallet of satoshi. 1206 01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:03,540 And I'm like, I don't know how I do with this. 1207 01:10:03,540 --> 01:10:07,900 But I was able to figure it out from there and go on from there. 1208 01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:13,740 And of course, wallet of satoshi is, you know, now we've moved on from that, right? 1209 01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:15,940 Hey, what are these badges? 1210 01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:18,020 Like, do you have to do you buy them? 1211 01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:19,020 Are you giving them? 1212 01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:20,020 Are they gifted? 1213 01:10:20,020 --> 01:10:21,020 Oh, man. 1214 01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:23,260 Like, what the hell is this, dude? 1215 01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:25,220 Well, I absolutely love badges. 1216 01:10:25,220 --> 01:10:29,620 As you can tell, if you visit my profile from a client that supports them, Domest is not support 1217 01:10:29,620 --> 01:10:31,780 them, hint, hint, wink, wink. 1218 01:10:31,780 --> 01:10:40,180 But badges are just your, your 37 pieces of flare from office space, right? 1219 01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:44,460 Bad, badges, some badges sticker on your car. 1220 01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:45,460 Yeah. 1221 01:10:45,460 --> 01:10:49,140 So some badges actually have utility and actually have meaning behind them. 1222 01:10:49,140 --> 01:10:53,740 They're just cosmetic enhancements, cosmetic individuals for your profile. 1223 01:10:53,740 --> 01:10:59,980 Some of them mean that I attended certain events or I have access to certain clients or I 1224 01:10:59,980 --> 01:11:07,900 got a certain achievement from a certain app or some of them are actually like game references. 1225 01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:11,100 Like if you use thunder games, they're a Bitcoin gaming platform. 1226 01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:12,860 They use Noster badges. 1227 01:11:12,860 --> 01:11:17,900 If you back certain projects on Geyser, Geyser is a, think of it as like a Kickstarter for 1228 01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:20,900 a Bitcoin Kickstarter or Bitcoin Indiegogo. 1229 01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:24,980 If you back projects on Geyser, you can get badges. 1230 01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:28,860 If you have access to like a relays, things like that. 1231 01:11:28,860 --> 01:11:31,260 And then a lot of them don't really mean a whole lot. 1232 01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:33,820 A lot of them are just fun and memes. 1233 01:11:33,820 --> 01:11:37,300 I would say most of them are fun and memes. 1234 01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:42,140 But badges are kind of going through a new Renaissance now on Noster. 1235 01:11:42,140 --> 01:11:48,500 We have some new badge designers and we have badge enhancements now that show them their 1236 01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:53,620 rarity or how popular they are and how many of them were released are given out. 1237 01:11:53,620 --> 01:11:56,260 Now they're not like NFTs, they're not like shit coins. 1238 01:11:56,260 --> 01:11:58,300 They have no, they have no value. 1239 01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:01,220 You can't trade them and sell them. 1240 01:12:01,220 --> 01:12:08,380 But for, you know, speaking for, for Dommas, if what, if what Dommas wanted to do, if they 1241 01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:15,660 wanted to do a funding model and you would get a subscription, subscribers may get a badge 1242 01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:16,660 or something like that. 1243 01:12:16,660 --> 01:12:20,540 Like clients could absolutely use these as ways for funding. 1244 01:12:20,540 --> 01:12:22,900 I talked about that before. 1245 01:12:22,900 --> 01:12:27,740 Or if Vanessa had a punk band, it would not be interesting. 1246 01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:34,540 Imagine going to a virtual concert and getting these badges for attending a virtual concert. 1247 01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:35,540 How cool was that? 1248 01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:40,420 Yeah, I mean, we talked about it even for like, originally, it was the idea of like very 1249 01:12:40,420 --> 01:12:44,780 early on, you know, you attend some of our live events or whatever and that was the 1250 01:12:44,780 --> 01:12:46,100 kind of the early conversation of it. 1251 01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:52,340 I will, I will definitely bring it up in conversation, but a punk band, I don't have a hundred and fifty 1252 01:12:52,340 --> 01:12:54,340 five badges for nothing. 1253 01:12:54,340 --> 01:12:58,580 We got to have more clients that support badges and they're using badges. 1254 01:12:58,580 --> 01:13:07,780 Well, for Vanessa's punk band, she could be like, hey, show me that you, you know, you boosted 1255 01:13:07,780 --> 01:13:13,540 my song over on Boost Graham Ball and I'll give you this badge. 1256 01:13:13,540 --> 01:13:21,460 Show me that you zapped five other people in our fan group and I'll give you this badge, 1257 01:13:21,460 --> 01:13:22,460 right? 1258 01:13:22,460 --> 01:13:23,460 Like a cute one. 1259 01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:24,460 I know, I'm open to it. 1260 01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:30,140 I have no musical talent whatsoever except when it comes to karaoke in my own mind, but 1261 01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:34,260 my son just got a guitar for Christmas and I know Will likes music. 1262 01:13:34,260 --> 01:13:42,220 So it could be a family punk band and I can just, I don't know, stand back up the ends. 1263 01:13:42,220 --> 01:13:43,220 It's a great idea James. 1264 01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:44,220 I think we're on to something. 1265 01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:45,220 I like it. 1266 01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:46,220 I like it. 1267 01:13:46,220 --> 01:13:49,220 I would see backup dancer Vanessa. 1268 01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:50,220 Perfect. 1269 01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:51,220 Yeah. 1270 01:13:51,220 --> 01:13:52,220 I like to sing. 1271 01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:53,220 I could sing in this band. 1272 01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:54,220 You know, let's do it. 1273 01:13:54,220 --> 01:13:55,220 I don't remember that. 1274 01:13:55,220 --> 01:14:09,580 Derek, maybe you and I could be like the guy, you know, like the guy who is on stage left 1275 01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:14,060 on the mighty, mighty boss tones, like always in a nice suit, just like the hype guy, right? 1276 01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:15,060 Yeah. 1277 01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:16,780 You know, I love hyping and things up. 1278 01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:17,780 Let's do it. 1279 01:14:17,780 --> 01:14:18,780 Yeah. 1280 01:14:18,780 --> 01:14:21,180 I think there might be something there. 1281 01:14:21,180 --> 01:14:22,580 I think there might be something there. 1282 01:14:22,580 --> 01:14:30,580 One guys, thank you very much for talking to me about this and for talking about musicians 1283 01:14:30,580 --> 01:14:31,820 in the space. 1284 01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:37,620 I really do enjoy Noster. 1285 01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:44,900 I don't use it as much as I probably could, but I love the free speech aspect of it. 1286 01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:48,900 I love the no garden walls aspect of it. 1287 01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:53,260 I love just being able to follow who I want to follow and I really appreciate more than 1288 01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:58,620 anything at this stage in my life, but just being able to read and learn so much about 1289 01:14:58,620 --> 01:15:02,700 Bitcoin and lightning and everything from all these folks that are in there. 1290 01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:05,380 And thank you guys are a part of that. 1291 01:15:05,380 --> 01:15:08,620 So I thank you for enriching my life with education. 1292 01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:10,700 So cheers to you guys for that. 1293 01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:13,180 So all right, final thoughts. 1294 01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:15,780 You guys anything else you want to say about Noster? 1295 01:15:15,780 --> 01:15:19,220 Anything else you want to add about it before we wrap it up? 1296 01:15:19,220 --> 01:15:23,220 Oh, that's a whole entire second show, you know? 1297 01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:25,420 I will be back. 1298 01:15:25,420 --> 01:15:26,420 Come on. 1299 01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:33,340 I just, you know, Noster does take a little bit of work, but put in the proof of work. 1300 01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:35,700 It's definitely worth it. 1301 01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:38,460 Definitely worth your time and your effort. 1302 01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:39,460 Cool Vanessa? 1303 01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:40,460 Yeah. 1304 01:15:40,460 --> 01:15:45,900 No, I appreciate, you know, yourself and others trying it out and, you know, we need people 1305 01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:48,700 to try it out and to give us their feedback. 1306 01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:54,260 And, you know, so I would say that is is we're an open book here and we appreciate any 1307 01:15:54,260 --> 01:16:00,340 and all suggestions and ideas because it is a collaborative space still. 1308 01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:02,340 It's still very early. 1309 01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:04,340 And, you know, the shameless plug you can go to store. 1310 01:16:04,340 --> 01:16:09,420 At Thomas.io for a merch because that's another monetization idea that we're trying just 1311 01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:12,180 because I'm into experiential marketing, all that kind of stuff. 1312 01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:13,980 So there's that. 1313 01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:20,780 And yeah, just stay tuned for I think what is going to be a very exciting year for all of 1314 01:16:20,780 --> 01:16:21,780 those involved. 1315 01:16:21,780 --> 01:16:23,580 So thanks so much. 1316 01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:24,580 Awesome. 1317 01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:28,220 Derek, do you have a plug like doesn't your wife make Noster merger? 1318 01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:30,060 Yeah, where are the plugs? 1319 01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:31,060 Come on man. 1320 01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:38,060 And, you know, we don't have a merch store for Katie's merchandise, but you know, you 1321 01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:40,740 can put it on my merch store and I will gladly send it. 1322 01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:41,740 You know what? 1323 01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:44,620 I'm going to sign here up to make a Dom Moose. 1324 01:16:44,620 --> 01:16:45,620 You know? 1325 01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:46,620 Oh, me and a sir. 1326 01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:47,620 Yeah. 1327 01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:48,620 Are unofficial new. 1328 01:16:48,620 --> 01:16:49,620 All right. 1329 01:16:49,620 --> 01:16:50,620 Yeah. 1330 01:16:50,620 --> 01:16:54,460 I will sign here up to make a Moose and we'll sell 21 of them on the Domest Store. 1331 01:16:54,460 --> 01:16:55,460 That was fantastic. 1332 01:16:55,460 --> 01:16:59,420 She's going to love it. 1333 01:16:59,420 --> 01:17:00,420 It's wonderful. 1334 01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:07,820 Vanessa Gray and Derek Ross, thank you guys very much for your time and your effort, your 1335 01:17:07,820 --> 01:17:10,420 time, talent and treasure as they say. 1336 01:17:10,420 --> 01:17:18,260 And it is 6.50 pm here in Nashville and I am going to get this thing up tonight. 1337 01:17:18,260 --> 01:17:20,500 So hopefully it'll be up in about two hours. 1338 01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:25,620 So thanks you guys all the best in and I hope to see you, I hope to see you soon. 1339 01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:26,620 Absolutely. 1340 01:17:26,620 --> 01:17:27,620 Thanks. 1341 01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:28,620 Absolutely. 1342 01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:29,620 Bye. 1343 01:17:29,620 --> 01:17:30,620 Bye. 1344 01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:31,620 Bye-bye. 1345 01:17:31,620 --> 01:17:32,620 Bye-bye. 1346 01:17:32,620 --> 01:17:37,940 My thanks again to Derek and Vanessa for joining us on this value for value podcast, the 1347 01:17:37,940 --> 01:17:40,900 Phantom Power Business Hour. 1348 01:17:40,900 --> 01:17:44,260 We're going to start doing them every Monday. 1349 01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:47,580 We had to delay this one one day because Derek was coming back from Costa Rica. 1350 01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:50,260 So thank you guys very much for listening. 1351 01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:51,740 Don't forget we've got other shows. 1352 01:17:51,740 --> 01:17:55,020 We've got the Music Hour which comes out on Wednesday. 1353 01:17:55,020 --> 01:18:01,620 The review that comes out on Friday and the Artist Hour which comes out on Sunday. 1354 01:18:01,620 --> 01:18:05,740 This past Sunday we had a great conversation with Enid Millel from Tanzania and I hope 1355 01:18:05,740 --> 01:18:07,780 you get a chance to check that out. 1356 01:18:07,780 --> 01:18:09,580 So thank you guys very much for listening. 1357 01:18:09,580 --> 01:18:15,820 Don't forget to listen on a modern podcasting 2.0 app and stack your wallet with sats 1358 01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:17,820 before you do. 1359 01:18:17,820 --> 01:18:20,460 Another thing that? 1360 01:18:20,460 --> 01:18:21,780 Smile for the mug shut. 1361 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:22,260 Thanks. 1362 01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:24,840 (upbeat music) 1363 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,420 (upbeat music) 1364 01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:31,160 (upbeat music) 1365 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:50,160 [....]