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Hey everybody, welcome back to Phantom Power Artist Hour.

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This is a listener supported value cast

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with no ads, no commercials, no sponsors.

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And if you like it, if it brings value into your life, I would ask

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that you give some of that value in return, be it with your time,

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your talent or your treasure.

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As in little pieces of Bitcoin, otherwise known as Satoshi's,

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that would get sent to me and are split with today's guest,

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who is Marina Oshk from Iceland, an amazing jazz singer,

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pianist, composer, guitar player.

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We have a great conversation about her educational background,

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about doing gigs full-time in Iceland, as well as her recordings

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and new projects and the challenges that women face,

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not just in this genre or music in general, but in any career,

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it's a lovely conversation, lovely conversation.

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And at the end of the show, we're going to debut a new song

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from her.

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And the title is in Icelandic and I'm not going to say it

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because I'll probably just destroy it.

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I'll probably screw it up.

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So let's start off the show with one of my favorites.

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This song is called "Hey Love" and then we will bring on,

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I'm not going to name it, for the conversation.

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You ready? Here we go.

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Hey Love, you caught me of God, hey Love, I took it quite hard.

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Oh Love, you got me good, while the streams aside

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I never thought I'd ever admit it, but hey Love, I'm doing alright since Love,

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my head is all fried, but Love, I like the fact you stumbled my way.

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I used to visit gay places and all the time what made places seem so charming and swell,

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but since that fateful day I've been trying to stay away, hey Love,

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I'm not used to this thing, oh Love, it's your ain't no fling, but Love,

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I like the fact you stumbled my way.

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Hey Love, I'm not used to this thing, oh Love, it's your ain't no fling, but Love,

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I like the fact you stumbled my way.

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And that is Hey Love by Marina Oshk, and I think I pronounced that correctly from Iceland

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who is nice enough to join us on the line today.

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Marina, thank you so much for joining us, how are you?

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Thanks for having me, I'm well, how are you yourself?

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I'm good, it's a sunny day here in Nashville, I'm actually wearing shorts I think for the first time this year, so that's good.

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Wow, lovely.

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I'm just such a fan of your writing, your voice, and I've said it a million times,

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Jazz is my favorite genre and I tend to finish up the fan of power music hour with Jazz tune.

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So I'm thrilled that you're in the value verse that we were able to get you over here, but I want to start with your background.

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I know you have a bachelor's and jazz vocals from the conservatory and Amsterdam, and then you've got a master's in music and jazz from the Royal Conservatory in Stockholm, but there you are in Iceland.

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Let's go all the way back to the beginning, where did you start playing music? How did you get the music bug?

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Well, my dad actually plays the accordion and I saw him play like ever since I was like, I don't know, born.

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And my mom used to play the flute as well, and when I was about, I don't know, two and a half years old, she handed me a recorder.

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It's kind of little flute thing, plastic that you can play like very simple songs on, and she started teaching me.

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And when I was old enough and large enough to hold a real life flute, I started studying that.

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So I was like, I don't know, seven or something.

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And she enrolled me in the local music school.

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And yeah, I studied flute for like, I don't know, 20-something years. And at some point I added in saxophone, trumpet, piano, a couple of different instruments.

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And eventually I started learning how to sing as well. And I think that's where I found my real passion.

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I don't know, it made me kind of happy. So I decided to go from there and just focus on that.

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So how many instruments are you proficient at? Could you play a gig on?

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I could definitely play a gig on the piano and the guitar, especially if accompanying myself.

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And I've been experimenting a little bit with playing duo, with bass player and me on piano, which is really scary because I'm really not a jazz pianist, but it's kind of...

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I'm surprised.

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Yeah, I don't know. For some reason, my right hand doesn't really want to play melodies. It just wants to play chords.

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It's difficult to take a solo.

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That's interesting, because I worry more about my left hand when I'm playing in a jazz combo.

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Because I don't want to step on the bass player's toes.

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So you've got piano, as far as doing gigs. Piano, guitar, sax.

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I could play it in a big band. We could negotiate that.

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Third chair.

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Exactly. And of course, flute. I've been playing flute for many years, so I could definitely swing that a little bit.

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That's cool. Yeah, the recorder is actually... I think every kid in America, or at least I hope they do, probably not anymore.

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But right around third or fourth grade, every kid gets a recorder.

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And they have to play like... In music class, they play like hot crossbuns and all that kind of stuff.

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Now we have the same thing in second grade.

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As I mentioned earlier, you studied abroad, but you were born and raised in Iceland, correct?

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What prompted you... Tell us about your journey from Iceland and Reykjavik over to Amsterdam to get your bachelors in jazz vocals?

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Yeah, well, I had been living in the northern part of the country for about two years.

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I was born in Kafft, Reykjavik, which is if you've been to Iceland, it's where the airport is located.

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It's the other side of the country, but I moved up north to Akkurete.

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That's been living there for two years. And that's really where my career as a singer kind of took off, and I was playing all over.

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But at some point, I felt like, "Okay, I need more. I've been teaching. I've been conducting choirs."

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Like I said, playing all over, but I was like, "I need something else, something more, something to... to people my interest and help me grow a little bit."

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So I started looking at schools, and I applied for two schools in Holland, so both in the Hague and Amsterdam.

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And managed to get accepted at Amsterdam.

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So why Holland? I honestly don't know. I'm not saying anything negative about Holland, but is there not a good conservatory in Reykjavik,

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or did you not look at London, or maybe even Juilliard? Why were you drawn to Holland?

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Oh yeah, well in Iceland at that point, and kind of still today, you can't really get a bachelor's in jazz, let alone masters.

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So the highest you can get is like pre conservatory exam at this moment.

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Yeah, up until this moment, but at that point, I was checking out like schools that I had been recommended to me.

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And one of my teachers actually said, "You should definitely look at the Netherlands."

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So I did that. I also checked out a little bit in the Nordic countries. I did check out Juilliard and Manhattan School of Music, and a lot of other options.

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But at that point, I thought like, "Okay, I don't know what's going to happen. I'll just apply for two schools and just see what happens."

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So that's kind of what happened. I would have wanted to have more entrance exams and maybe be able to choose, but I'm quite happy I chose some of them.

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So where, you have a bachelor's in jazz vocals, where did your love of jazz come from? I mean because your dad on the accordion, your mom on the flute.

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Okay, so where does the jazz come from?

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Yeah, this is a very weird thing. For some reason, Big Bam music always made me super happy and jiggly-ish.

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I was drawn to it. And when I was like, I don't know, 19 or 20, I was actually asked to learn how to play the saxophone because there was a Big Band in my school, and they needed a saxophone player, and I played a flute.

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And to be honest, it's not that different, like the fingering. All the blowing is a bit different, but the finger sounds are the same.

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Yeah, all you're really doing is you're going from horizontal to vertical, right? I mean it's exactly.

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And you make the notes the same with your fingers, so it was quite an easy switch.

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And that's when I really get into it. That's when I started listening and studying it a little bit.

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Then I started singing with the band as well. The conductor was like, hey, do you make one a single song? I was like, okay, sure.

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And then I was studying classical singing. And at some point I said, no, you know what? I love this, but I don't like when somebody is on the piano playing the melody with me.

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I really want to control that thing on my own. So they just, my music school, kind of, hired a teacher for me, and she taught me jazz.

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Yeah, I have a lot to be thankful for.

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Yeah, so is this like your quote unquote high school music teacher at this point?

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Sort of. So like in Iceland, you don't really have this kind of high school music way.

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And you do it in America. It's a little bit different. So we kind of just enroll in music schools. And that's kind of a out of school thing.

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You can definitely connect it, but it's not interconnected at all.

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It's more of like a, like a trade school type of thing, or is it more of like an actor school activity, just, you know, cultural type of thing?

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Yeah, definitely an after school thing.

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Okay. So big bands, huh? Like that's cool.

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Yeah, I wish more, I wish more musicians understood just how cool.

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And how cool and compact those big band arrangements are like when you've got three chairs of sacks and three chairs of trumpets and three chairs of bones.

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And they're, and they are on the money. Man, those arrangements are so great.

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Yeah, exactly. I don't know why, but it kind of it just gets to me.

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It just takes me away to another level. And I just feel the swing in my body. It's ridiculous. I can't really explain it, but yeah.

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Yeah. And it's such a cool, it's such a cool feeling to be sitting in the pocket of a big band when it's when it's tearing it up.

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It's a, it's in some respects, I think it's more powerful than being in a rock band because, because it's all acoustic, right?

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Because everything is, is natural, you know? Yeah, exactly.

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Okay, so, so we're in Amsterdam. You do the jazz vocals, the, the, the undergraduate degree.

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So to speak.

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And then you're like, okay, like this is cool, but now how, how do we go from Amsterdam up to Stockholm to get your master?

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Well, I have to say, I didn't really think I would do masters, but at the end of my studies in Amsterdam, I was thinking, yeah, I'm not done yet.

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I definitely need to continue a little bit more.

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So in my fourth year in Amsterdam, I decided to do an entrance exam in Stockholm and in few other schools as well.

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And you know how it is, like with, with entrance exams, they tend to be kind of scary. They tend to be like, you go in there, like really nervous, you're really prepared, but you don't really know what's gonna happen.

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The people that are listening are like, either judging you or looking at you funny or, I don't know, that's my experience, at least.

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So I felt super nervous, but when I got into the entrance exam in Stockholm, I felt so calm because they were so lovely. They were so sweet.

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And I had never experienced that before.

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And at that time, I didn't, I didn't even get in, but I walked out of that entrance exam. I was like, holy smokes, that was lovely.

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I didn't think that was possible. So I decided like, okay, even if I don't get in, I'll apply next year. And that's what happened.

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So I took a year off in between my bachelor's and master's, moved to Iceland. I was teaching a little bit and kind of molded the idea of my master's project a little bit or at least found a direction.

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And also one of the reasons I wanted to go closer to home was even though Amsterdam is such a beautiful city and the school is amazing.

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The culture is quite far away from me and I never felt like I was at home. If that makes sense, I always felt like Amsterdam was the city that I studied, but not a city where I live.

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But I kind of felt like, okay, I need something that's a little bit more, a little bit more in my area somewhere that I'm a little bit more relaxed and I understand the culture a little bit better.

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And Sweden was definitely the right way to go.

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I can understand that. There is a vast cultural difference between Holland and Stockholm, Holland and Sweden, Holland and the Nordic countries.

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They're both lovely, but you know this better than most. Culture varies differently, vastly in Europe.

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I guess when you drive 100 kilometers, 200 kilometers, right? I mean, you could feel like you're on another planet.

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Exactly, exactly. It's all different countries, of course. So it's like they all everybody has their own kind of upbringing and their own traditions and just their way of life in a way.

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So in that way, Sweden definitely harmonized with me a lot better than the Amsterdam.

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And Sweden really has a massive jazz culture.

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You know, so many Americans don't realize, I mean, it's really based upon two things.

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Number one, post-World War II, a lot of GIs being over in the region and big bands coming in and U.S.O tours and whatnot.

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But also for a lot of African Americans who were on the jazz scene over here, it didn't matter if it was Dizzy Gillespie or Monk or anybody, they go over here.

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They're treated like crap, but they go over to Europe and they're treated like kings because they're such a greater appreciation for art form.

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And you can't blame them for going, "Well screw that, I'm going back to Europe and going on tour."

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I mean, Europeans have always treated American jazz, especially African American jazz players. A hell of a lot better than we have.

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Yeah. And I mean of course, like in the 40s and the 50s and the 60s, I mean a lot of, like you say, a lot of American jazz musicians were traveling over and Europe kind of became and love with jazz music and that's kind of how it all started.

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And I mean, like in Sweden, for example, there was this amazing jazz singer called Monica Settelund.

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And she did such an amazing album with Bill Evans. It's one of my all-time favorites. I listened to it like back and forth like a gazillion times.

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And it's kind of like, it kind of tells you like, "Okay, so those two were working together like, were the odds? Like how did that even happen?"

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Yeah. Yeah, she really is exceptional.

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And I've written, I think I mentioned this in maybe one of the blogs. I kind of like, your voice kind of reminds me of her but not really like you have a knife.

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You have your own softness. You have your own diction, of course. But yeah, I mean Monica was and is still a queen in Sweden with respect to jazz.

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Yeah, I mean, there was even like an award that like one young and promising jazz musician in Sweden is awarded every year called the Monica Settelund Award.

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That's how big she is. She is like their star.

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I would say, yeah.

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So, when you got done with your master's degree in Stockholm, did you stick around Stockholm or did you go back to Iceland for first? What would you do next?

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I decided to move back home to Iceland.

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I love Sweden.

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But I definitely felt drawn back to Iceland.

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Yeah, it's always been like that no matter where I go. I was in Amsterdam for four years and then actually during my master's studies, COVID kind of hit.

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And funnily enough, I had just released my debut album like October 2019.

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And I had decided to take like a semester off from my masters and spend a semester in Iceland teaching and following up on my album.

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And, oh my, COVID hit hard.

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Yeah, holy cow.

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Yeah, so I didn't really manage to fall up my album and I didn't go back to Sweden.

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So, I kind of just stuck around and did everything over Zoom.

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Online, and that worked out.

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Wasn't that many lessons or anything, so it was just like me studying and researching.

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So, yeah, I kind of just lingered on in Iceland and that was always a plan, you know, to come back home and make life here.

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Yeah. And then COVID put the breaks on a lot of it.

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Let's talk about that 2019 release.

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You got 11 songs on there.

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I'm going to butcher the pronunciation of it as most Americans would do.

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And then, you know, I'm going to say, "Affarth, how do you pronounce it?"

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Nice, nice try. Like, A for F first.

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Okay, thank you. Right, I'll take it.

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It would be pronounced "Affarth."

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Oh my lord.

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Yeah, it's a tricky one because the H, yeah, "Affarth."

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The H in this, in this, this time the H is a K.

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A T K and then the V is an F.

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At Kvarth.

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Okay, yeah, that'll take me about an hour to get it.

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So, so, are, now, is all of this in Icelandic?

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Yes. So, that album is completely in Icelandic.

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Okay. What was the inspiration behind it?

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This was your debut record. What, what, what, what is it about? What, what are the topics?

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What was your inspiration?

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Well, the word "Affarth" means shelter.

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And to me, music has always been kind of a shelter away from David's life.

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I am somebody who is an anxious person.

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And I have a lot of feelings that need to be contained and managed.

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And sometimes that's just, it's hard.

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It's difficult in day to day life.

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Everything is so fast and everybody expects you to do stuff.

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When I was a kid, I would just lock myself away in my room, my very own.

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At Kvarth. And just listen to music.

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And that's the inspiration for the album.

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And my lyrics on the album all kind of connect to nature.

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So, there's, there's a song about my happy place.

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It's called "Je xe et hier ikrasse ne"

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I believe it's song number three.

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And that's about my happy place, which is,

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I stand in nature, midnight, like 23rd, 24th of June.

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It's still bright.

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You're out somewhere in nature.

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It's completely quiet and it's still bright.

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That's something we have in Iceland.

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We have bright 24/7 over summer.

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And I also wrote a song about the rain and the sun,

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and it calmed me down and affect me.

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But musically, the inspiration was,

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I started tuning my guitar in open tuning one day.

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I'm trying to do that.

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Yeah.

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She said, "I just try open tuning."

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So I tuned my guitar in an open E.

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So, E, B, E, G sharp, B and E.

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And, man, oh man, did things start happening then.

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I managed out to play a few chords,

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and then just songs poured out of me.

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Yeah.

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Oh my god.

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That was the beginning.

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That's one of my favorite topics.

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Yes.

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I, oh, alternate tunics.

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I completely agree with you on that.

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You change a couple of things on your guitar,

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and your fingers don't know what to do,

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but your mind goes,

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"Oh my god, what did I just stumble upon?"

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Exactly.

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And you have to go for it.

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Yeah, and it's such an easy trick.

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When I was a songwriter in LA,

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I'd keep them all in different tunings.

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Yeah.

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Because you're like,

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once you figure out the magic and the beauty of it,

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you're like, "Oh my god, I always..."

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You never know when inspiration is going to strike,

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so you want to be able to grab one and...

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Exactly.

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You want to be ready.

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You know who you should look at.

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There's a guy over here.

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His name is David Wilcox.

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Have you ever heard of him?

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I don't think so.

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So there's a Canadian David Wilcox who is a blues guy.

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And then there's an American David Wilcox

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that you should check out.

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He was the one who really opened up my thought process

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to alternate tunings.

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And I'll send you an email on him just so you can check him out.

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He's kind of like a James Taylor type of dude.

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And he's still out there touring.

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He goes out and does all of these gigs pretty much solo.

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And he's like everything is in different tunings.

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And he's a master of it.

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He even did Bach in an alternate tuning on his guitar too.

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Like it's just...

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Yeah, it's the coolest thing in the world.

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And he's one of those guys where you're like,

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"Why is this dude not as popular as James Taylor?"

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Or like, I mean, his storytelling and his voice

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and his guitar playing are just perfect.

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Oh, how exciting.

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But the world is not fair.

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So we've got the record called Shelter.

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See what I did there.

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Oh, well done.

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And then we go to the next LP that came out in 2022,

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One Evening in July, which is where I found you,

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which is where I first started hearing your music

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and just blown away by it.

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Like to talk about that one, where did you record it?

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The inspiration behind it?

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I know there's a couple of standards on there,

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but what was the thought process behind it?

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Well, now we have to go back to Sweden.

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Ah!

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Yeah, so...

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Miki braw.

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Miki braw.

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Well done.

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You're Swedish.

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Pretty good.

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I'm pretty.

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Wow.

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Well, during my studies over there,

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I met some amazing people who I still keep in contact with

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and played with a lot.

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And amongst them were two brothers who were called Ehrlich and U1,

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and their last name is Ting Holm.

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And they are a Trumpeter and a bass player.

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They are one of the most amazing musicians I've ever met.

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So after my masters, I...

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No, let me rewind.

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During my masters, I decided to contact them and ask like,

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"Hey, would you guys want to meet up and play some tunes?"

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And jam a little bit.

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And they were like, of course,

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because every Swedish person is like, "Yeah, let's do that."

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There's some positives.

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Yeah.

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And at that time, I was dating this guitar player called Mika Malny,

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an amazing guitar player, who is now incidentally living in Amsterdam again,

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but we were living in Sweden together,

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and he was also part of the band.

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And the four of us got together, we started playing,

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and something just happened.

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I mean, something just clicked.

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And I tried out like one or two songs that I had actually written before,

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going to Sweden, which were kind of like,

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this sounded like standards, but...

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Yeah, I didn't think they fitted on my first album,

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so I kind of kept them from my next one.

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And we started jamming, and there was just magic.

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I was like, "Okay, I have to do something with this."

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So as a part of my masters,

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you actually got to go into the studio in the school,

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and you could do like a recording day,

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and you actually got two days if you were a master's student.

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And this is something I cashed in.

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Yeah, so this is your master's thesis, basically?

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Well, almost, almost.

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It's part of my masters, kind of,

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because my master's project was actually like studying my musical personality

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and like, "How do you go there?"

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And through that, I studied a lot of like melodic,

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how do you say it?

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Like, melodically improvising musicians like Chepp Baker, for example.

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My, my idol number one, two, and five hundred.

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And Cole Desmond and Lester Young,

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kind of this instrumentalist who were like playing solos,

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like they were creating new melodies,

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and that sparked something in my head.

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So I started just composing kind of standards.

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And all of a sudden I was like, "Oh, shit, I have an album ready."

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Yeah.

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What's your opinion about that?

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Well, hey, love is just as, I've said this before,

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like put, "Hey, love in the fake book, man."

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It's right there.

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It's so good.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, it's one of my favorites, actually.

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But yeah, at some point I realized I had,

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I had a lot of songs that were recording ready,

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the band was ready, so we just booked a date in the school in Stockholm

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and we just went to record.

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And voila, we had an album.

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Voila indeed, I mean, man, it's such a beautiful record.

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I mean, we--

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I just adore it.

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And as I wrote on the blog that I put out a couple of years ago

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about the moon and the sky, we got to get you.

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Like if you ever come over here to Nashville,

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please let me know.

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And I'll bang on the door of Rudy's, which is the jazz,

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like the "Own" unfortunately.

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The really only jazz club in town.

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But, and the best of the best play there,

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and you would fit right in.

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So, okay, so we've talked about Shelter and then one evening in July.

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And you've got a new record coming out right now.

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Do you not?

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Yes, indeed.

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Like a week ago I finished recording my third album.

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Nice.

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Yeah, I'm really excited about this one.

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So what's been happening actually is,

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I've been going kind of back and forth from being like a pure jazz.

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A singer and experimenting a little bit with like,

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like, Nor Jones and Eva Cassidy kind of music as well.

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Because they also have like, these kind of very jazzy roots.

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But their music is not necessarily like pure jazz.

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It's not like, like jazz standards jazz.

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It's a different kind of jazz.

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And this kind of music really like got to me.

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And I remember listening to Nor Jones's first album in like this

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deluxe kind of version with like all these demos and stuff.

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And I was like, yeah, yeah, there we go.

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That's where I want to go.

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I want to go somewhere there.

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So this album will be more guitar based more,

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no, that's not the right word.

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Country blues jazz pop.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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It's more of a mixture truth be told.

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I've been playing a lot more of like pop and rock gigs for the past year than I have jazz gigs.

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And this is kind of, I wouldn't say mess with my head,

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but definitely like,

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oh, my brain is stuck now.

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Yeah, that's okay.

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Yeah.

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So this has definitely been an influence in my writing.

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And like in January, I, in January 2024,

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a friend of mine loaned me his studio.

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And I just locked myself away for two weeks and had an album.

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And it was nice.

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It's more, yeah, like I said, it's less jazz.

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It's more country bluesy kind of music,

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and I'm really excited about it.

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I can't wait to hear it.

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Is that the project that I see with Ragnar Olowsson?

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Is that the project?

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So the thing with the Ragnar is he has this amazing band.

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If you haven't checked it out already, it's called Alsteevitch.

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They have, they had a viral video a couple of years ago for one of the oldest kind of songs.

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The one that I sent has called "Hey, him, not me, this."

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And they sang it in like a train station and that made them viral.

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So definitely check them out if you have the time.

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But Ragnar and I, we are like co-heading a house band who plays like every night downtown

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in a day-care week for a house full of people.

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And we only play like cover songs like Hotel California.

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Like Sweet Child of Mine, you know, all those big songs that everybody knows

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and they're singing along with.

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Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second.

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Did you just tell me that you sing Sweet Child of Mine?

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Yeah.

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Oh, all the time.

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All the time.

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Oh, the things we musicians do, right?

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Indeed, but I have to say, I love it.

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Do you?

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Good.

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I do.

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I mean, to be fair, like before I went into like the music academy way before I moved to Amsterdam,

452
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,000
I was doing a lot of like, pop gigs, so I was playing in bars and playing Wonderwall like night after night.

453
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000
And I was kind of fed up with it.

454
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000
I was like, nah, this is not really for me.

455
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,000
But after being a jazz singer for like 10 years and somebody offered me like this gig,

456
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,000
like you want to try out?

457
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:21,000
I was like, sure, why not?

458
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Let me dust off my Jolene chops.

459
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Yeah.

460
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
That's respectable.

461
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Exactly.

462
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
And now I'm going to love Wonderwall again.

463
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000
I said, well, I think I got two thoughts there and reminds me to give you my arrangement idea on Wonderwall.

464
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:39,000
But if jazz is your day job, it's understandable that you know, to go out,

465
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,000
and do pop and rock and covers, you know, for fun.

466
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
It's understandable that you would like it.

467
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
It's like that balance, right?

468
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,000
Yeah.

469
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Like if you know, if jazz is your day job.

470
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
And then here's my, here's my Wonderwall trick.

471
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Yeah.

472
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000
You know the number system, like the national number system, right?

473
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Not really.

474
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Okay.

475
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,000
Well, don't raid me, Fosola, Tito, right?

476
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

477
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

478
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Yeah.

479
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000
All right.

480
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000
There's the Nashville number system.

481
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:26,000
So, so here, so next time you play Wonderwall on the verses, start on the one.

482
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Okay.

483
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Two days is going to be the day that the next day will affect you.

484
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Right?

485
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
One, three, four, five.

486
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Play the verse like that and see how people respond to it.

487
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Oh, my.

488
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,000
And then, and then go back to the chorus, the way you normally would, right?

489
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Yeah.

490
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,000
This is kind of a, like, a fun little neo soul way to do it.

491
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Yeah.

492
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,000
And then, three, four, five, that's my, that's my, uh, Wonderwall trick.

493
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Have fun with it.

494
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
All right.

495
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
I'll check it out.

496
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Yeah.

497
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Have fun with it.

498
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Let me put this back.

499
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Hang on a second.

500
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Um, how, we talked a little bit about the, the, um, culture of jazz in Sweden.

501
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Um, Iceland has a very unique music culture itself.

502
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,000
I mean, of course, um, people, uh, you mentioned Iceland and people automatically think of Bjork.

503
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000
Yeah.

504
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:34,000
But tell us about, um, some of the other, um, musical heroes or celebrities, I, I hate to use that word, um, in Iceland.

505
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,000
And, and, and the culture of, of, uh, music and playing gigs in Iceland.

506
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
All right.

507
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:48,000
So a couple of big names that I could definitely mention besides Bjork, which everybody knows is, uh, Segurost.

508
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:54,000
They are really huge and, uh, of monsters and men.

509
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Oh, yeah.

510
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,000
And Paléo as well.

511
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:10,000
So, and also if, if, uh, if you're into like, uh, acoustic piano, kind of, uh, relaxing piano playing, all of our art, it's also quite huge.

512
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Ooh, um, so yeah, we have a lot of, we have, we do have a lot of, uh, musicians who go far and they go abroad and they tour and some of them are even more famous abroad than there are in Iceland.

513
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Um, but in Iceland, it's, we are a weird country.

514
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
I can just say that.

515
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Um, it's a, a small, well, they got about, you know, 390,000 people, right?

516
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Yeah, exactly.

517
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Um, I sometimes describe Iceland having kind of like a, a small man syndrome, you know, you kind of just have to make sure everybody knows you're the best at everything.

518
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:55,000
You have to be in the center of attention and just be loud because otherwise people are gonna forget about you.

519
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Um, this is kind of what we do.

520
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:06,000
So we kind of go all in and, part of, of like the musical success that people have in Iceland is.

521
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:12,000
The fact that we have amazing music schools and the system around that.

522
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:23,000
And like, Louis, I forgot to mention, of course, like an idiot, uh, Louis, one of the stars of Iceland right now, she's brought up in a music school.

523
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Her mom plays in the, the National Symphonic Orchestra and she was raised there.

524
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:37,000
And this is what we do. So we kind of go all the way. We, we make things as good as possible. Or at least we try.

525
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:44,000
And it's kind of like go big or go home in this country is Louis.

526
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
You said, yeah, Louis.

527
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,000
She based, I mean, I know she's from Iceland, but did, did she, like, record her stuff out of Stockholm?

528
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Like, what's her big single that I, I think I know they're talking about.

529
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Yeah, she had a very big, uh, single called Valentine and from the start.

530
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Oh, yeah, yeah, she's pop singer. She's pop singer, right?

531
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Yeah, yeah. She won Grammy the other day for traditional pop, album of the year, I think.

532
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:32,000
But she is, she's raised in jazz as well in classical music. And although she's not like, maybe not considered like purely jazz, she's definitely bringing jazz to a very young generation.

533
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:41,000
And that is kind of a spectacular thing that she's doing. She's on social media and she is owning it.

534
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Like her faces on Spotify, like, like on, on, like, lead playlist on Spotify, her face is there.

535
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:54,000
It's like, yeah, she is a force of nature, like York, I would say.

536
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,000
There's a lot of talent coming out of, I mean, 390,000 people.

537
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Yeah, but like I said, it's, we have a very good music school system.

538
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:13,000
And we kind of, we fight for it and we fight for the, for the right to study music and you just do it.

539
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:21,000
And, um, yeah, so that's kind of what's, what's happening, like educational wise, but gig wise is quite different.

540
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Because we're a very small country.

541
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Um, there's not a lot of gigs.

542
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Well, that being said, of course, it's up to you. Like you kind of have to make your own success.

543
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:48,000
So if there's anything I've learned being an, I'm a student in Iceland, it's that if you don't sit down and you don't send out that email or you don't make that phone call, you're not going to get the gig.

544
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:56,000
And nobody's going to know who you are until you have really laid down the groundwork and earned that reputation.

545
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Because that doesn't happen. It rarely happens overnight.

546
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,000
And there's so much work to be done, of course.

547
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:14,000
And it's taken me years to be able to be a professional musician only doing gigs and occasional vocal teaching lesson as well.

548
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,000
But now I only do gigs. Yeah. And it's taken me years to get up to that.

549
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:25,000
But the thing is, this is what it is. You kind of have to like, you have to do the work.

550
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:31,000
It's so hard sometimes. A lot of people just like give up after some time.

551
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,000
And I get that like, I get that. It's, yeah, it takes up so much time.

552
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,000
And it's, it's the job that you're not getting paid for, right?

553
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,000
All the emails you have to send out, all the phone calls.

554
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:54,000
You have to be your own manager as in like, you're 9% your own manager, your advertising agent, your publicist, your record label, your everything.

555
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000
And then you're like 10% the musician is ridiculous.

556
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,000
But yeah, let's not, let's not talk negatively.

557
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Well, that, that's said, that being said, like in Iceland, there's a lot of like, there's a big music tradition.

558
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:24,000
And although like the jazz scene is quite small, I would say jazz musicians are one of the busiest, or at least one of the, one of the few that really work hard to get their gigs.

559
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:35,000
And there are so many like small concert series. And like this, we have a jazz festival. We have a jazz club.

560
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:44,000
They pop up like every five years, there's something you're happening. And there's always jazz. I think that's, that's really amazing.

561
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:53,000
It's like such a small country, such a small scene, but everybody is just still playing. Everybody's playing. It's amazing.

562
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:59,000
It's, it's so wonderful to hear that you're making your living from playing gigs.

563
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:13,000
And yeah, I know how hard it is. I mean, even the guys, you know, my, my buddies here who are making a living playing gigs, like it is, everybody thinks it's so glamorous.

564
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:21,000
And it's like, man, like nine times out of 10, if you're making a living playing gigs, you're still, you're still just eating by.

565
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,000
You're still just getting by, right? I mean, you really, you really have to love it.

566
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:38,000
And I agree with you 100% like you are your own label, your own promotion, you are your own everything. And it's, and yeah, it's hard. It's not easy.

567
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Yeah.

568
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000
It's not easy.

569
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:55,000
We have been, we've been talking now for about 45, 50 minutes. And I just, I just love the conversation, man. I just, I mean, I can sit here and go along for hours.

570
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:05,000
But let me, let me ask you a couple of, a quick, a quick questions before we get to the last song.

571
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,000
Yeah.

572
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:18,000
How, I know you're still early into this whole value for value world and getting paid with, with Bitcoin, with your music.

573
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:26,000
And, and you're an interesting case too, because like your Spotify numbers are pretty good, you know?

574
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:38,000
And I don't know what it's like for artists in Iceland in terms of the payouts for Spotify. But like, what, what, what's your take so far?

575
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:46,000
What's your impression so far of this whole value for value and getting your music up into these Bitcoin podcasts?

576
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Or, you know, these music podcasts that pay you in Bitcoin, like, what's your take on?

577
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,000
I think this is such an interesting quiz.

578
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,000
I didn't really know that this existed up until like, yeah, very recently.

579
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:10,000
And you know how it is like, with the streaming platforms and all that, they pay out like so little as opposed to how many streams you're getting.

580
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:18,000
I mean, it's ridiculous. And it kind of feels like a jungle, like this kind of streaming thing.

581
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,000
Like Spotify, for example, you don't really know what's happening. You don't understand anything.

582
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
The algorithm is just like, it has its own life and its own opinions.

583
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,000
Yeah.

584
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:33,000
And it's like, it's, it's very difficult to maneuver and understand that world.

585
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:41,000
But this value for value thing is a lot simpler in a way. And it feels more genetic.

586
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,000
It feels more like, yeah, how do you win?

587
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,000
Why haven't we been doing this all along?

588
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Yeah.

589
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Why isn't Spotify doing something like this?

590
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Like, if you stream something, why isn't your, your subscription money?

591
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Why isn't that going to that artist that you're listening to?

592
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:05,000
It's like, it doesn't make any sense, but with his value for value thing, that's kind of what it is.

593
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:13,000
So it's like, of course, why, yeah, why have we not been doing this all along?

594
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Yeah.

595
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Hello.

596
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000
Yeah, it's, and it's still so early.

597
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Yeah.

598
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
It's still so early, right?

599
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:32,000
And it's going to be fascinating to see where this whole thing is in just a couple of years within a year or two.

600
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
I think it's going to go mainstream.

601
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,000
I really do.

602
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Yeah.

603
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,000
I think to do.

604
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Yeah.

605
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000
But I agree with you.

606
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,000
I mean, it's, it's like value for value is more genuine.

607
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Yeah.

608
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000
Exactly.

609
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000
Yeah.

610
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Yeah.

611
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,000
It makes more sense.

612
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
It's like, I don't know, you're a musician.

613
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,000
It's like, you put your music out there and you don't know what's going to happen.

614
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:06,000
But at least this gives you something like, okay, this person actually listened to my song and they appreciated it.

615
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,000
It's like, it's a very different kind of approach as to what's really popular today.

616
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,000
And as a musician, I've been really sensing around me that other musicians are getting really annoyed.

617
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Yeah.

618
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:29,000
And this, this, this, this dreaming algorithm stuff and the way that it's set up and like, it's almost like it's ranked.

619
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,000
And it's just, it's not fair.

620
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,000
It's, it's not nice.

621
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,000
It's not fair and it's not cool.

622
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,000
You know what it is?

623
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,000
But when you know it, it is, it is pay to play, man.

624
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Yeah.

625
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,000
It's pay to play.

626
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Yeah.

627
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Like I don't, it's, you know, if you, if you and your band want to come over and play the, play the whiskey at go-go in LA on the sunset strip, you can do that.

628
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Yeah.

629
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,000
You just got to pay, you know?

630
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Yeah.

631
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
It's the exact, it's the exact same thing.

632
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
Yeah.

633
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,000
It's the exact same thing.

634
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Yeah.

635
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Yeah.

636
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Yeah.

637
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,000
You know, but tell all, look, man, you got more buddies over there that, that are interested in this.

638
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Like there's a, there's a community value from value folks such as myself and the other show hosts.

639
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Uh-huh.

640
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Who will, who will answer any question and help any way we can to get more people in here.

641
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Yeah.

642
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:39,000
And I would even, I would even say like if, if there's a Bitcoin meetup over in, in Reykjavik or like, you know, go, go, go over to one of those meetings and hang out with those guys for a while.

643
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Yeah.

644
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:48,000
Cause you'll, you'll, cause I know, you know, you and I have had questions offline about wallets and, and nocturnals kind of stuff.

645
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,000
Yeah.

646
00:52:49,000 --> 00:53:01,000
You know, it might be easier for somebody to explain it in, in your native Icelandic than some knucklehead in Tennessee trying to tell you about how all of this works.

647
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Well, at least up until now it's, it's, uh, I'm, I'm slowly starting to get it.

648
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Um, it's like, yeah, it's, it's becoming more clear.

649
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,000
And I have to say this is a way easier thing to learn about than algorithms.

650
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Oh, I can say that very honestly.

651
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Yeah.

652
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,000
And a more fun thing to learn about.

653
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Well, and it, it does take a long time.

654
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000
You know, it's not easy to, to figure all of it out.

655
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:37,000
It's, you know, and, and musicians in, in your spare time, you know, you guys don't have a lot of, especially working musicians.

656
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:49,000
I mean, you know, it is so important to be dedicating just, you know, just about damn near all your time towards writing or rehearsing.

657
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Yeah.

658
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,000
So it's, it's hard to find the time to really grasp something like this.

659
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Um, yeah, exactly.

660
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,000
You kind of have to sit down and just be with it for a little bit.

661
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Mm-hmm.

662
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,000
Do some study.

663
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,000
Yeah.

664
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Sure.

665
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000
I'm, I'm getting more familiar with it.

666
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:24,000
And so far, I think it's, um, yeah, it, it, it must be the next step, um, in like what, what will be popular or what will be mainstream, um, because it just makes sense.

667
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,000
And in one form or another, it's going to happen.

668
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Definitely.

669
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,000
All right.

670
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:37,000
To wrap it up, first of all, I want to thank you for mentioning Chat Baker.

671
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:43,000
Chat's one of my all time favorite jazz singers as well.

672
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Um, I, for me, it's, um, now King Cole.

673
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Yeah.

674
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Chat Baker, Ella.

675
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Give us your, um, give us a couple of, of your top jazz influences.

676
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,000
Um, from, you know, from, from your career.

677
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Um, Chat Baker, number one and 500, like I said before, he is my number one.

678
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000
Um, I've studied him so much.

679
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Um, blossom theory has been a big influence as well.

680
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Awesome theory.

681
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Theory.

682
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Sorry.

683
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Blossom theory.

684
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,000
Okay.

685
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
I'm going to, I'm writing this down.

686
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
She's amazing.

687
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Um, I would have to say, uh, Ella Fitzgerald, of course, uh, Frank Sinatra, I'm just going, um,

688
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
just pulling out the big men, big people now.

689
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Um, nor Jones, nor Jones, definitely top 10.

690
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:53,000
But one of my, like, biggest influencers ever would be Evacacity.

691
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Um, yeah.

692
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:05,000
She, I, I don't know why, but when I was like during my pre conservatory studies, um, as a vocalist,

693
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:10,000
I was just listening to Evacacity back and forth.

694
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Such an amazing singer with such, like, uh, such open ears, such a jazzy approach,

695
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
because she made every song her own.

696
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,000
She made new melodies.

697
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,000
She made new phrasing.

698
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,000
She, she kind of adapted everything to fit her message.

699
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,000
And that is going to be in my, my mantra, like throughout my career.

700
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,000
And also the way I teach is like, make this yours.

701
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Like, how do you tell your story?

702
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Don't just repeat what somebody else has said.

703
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:48,000
And to me, Evacacity was a genius at doing that.

704
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,000
Yeah.

705
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:58,000
I can hear, I totally understand why you would identify with her and what a heartbreaking story.

706
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000
Oh my gosh.

707
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000
Um, yeah.

708
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,000
I hear that with her voice and yours.

709
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Yeah.

710
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000
I'm dang it.

711
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,000
I'm kind of bummed.

712
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000
I didn't pick up on that.

713
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,000
Wow.

714
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Okay.

715
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,000
By the way, you want to get, you want to get a fun fact as well?

716
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,000
Yeah.

717
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:24,000
A couple of months ago, I was watching her live at Blues Ali recordings on YouTube.

718
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,000
And amazing recordings.

719
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:34,000
I was sitting there mesmerized by her ability and just her, like her musical approach and it was

720
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
magical.

721
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Then she sat down to play a song playing a guitar.

722
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,000
And I was like, okay, what is that guitar?

723
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
That's super interesting because it looked like an acoustic guitar.

724
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,000
It was very narrow.

725
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,000
And it looked also like it was an electro guitar.

726
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,000
So I was like, oh, yo, yo, yo, what is this?

727
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,000
What is this?

728
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,000
And it sounded so good.

729
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:01,000
So I went online and I googled it back and forth and I found which guitar it was and it was

730
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:11,000
a gild songbird, a model they made in like 1990 and I think the latest version is 1995 or something.

731
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:17,000
It was like a short period kind of model and I was like, I have to get that guitar.

732
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
I cannot live my life without that guitar.

733
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Or at least some version of it.

734
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,000
So I went online and I found it and I bought it.

735
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
I ordered it online from Italy.

736
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,000
Incidentally, I found it there and got it sent over.

737
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,000
I didn't even try it.

738
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000
I was just like, yeah, I'll buy it.

739
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
And this is my main guitar today.

740
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000
A gild songbird, just like Eva.

741
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,000
Yeah, it's got the crown headstock on there.

742
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,000
Yeah, yeah, love that.

743
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:53,000
It feels like an electro guitar which is perfect for me with my small fingers.

744
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:58,000
And it's very like petite and I'm quite small.

745
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,000
So I can't really handle a big tailor.

746
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Yeah, is it a thin body?

747
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Is it a thin body?

748
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,000
Yes, it's a very thin body.

749
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's beautiful instruments.

750
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,000
Yeah.

751
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,000
So Eva Gassidy has influenced me in a lot of ways.

752
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,000
Yeah, oh yeah, and I see a picture of Clapton with one too.

753
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:31,000
By the way, I will give you a very unpopular opinion which will give me punched in the face whenever I go to New York or New Jersey.

754
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,000
Frank Sinatra is overrated.

755
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000
All right.

756
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000
I'm sorry.

757
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,000
No, I'm not going to apologize.

758
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:49,000
I don't, I can't, like the more I listen to Chet or Nat King Cole, the less I like Frank Sinatra.

759
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:55,000
My personal, my personal feeling is for any guy that wants to sound like Frank Sinatra.

760
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,000
Mm-hmm.

761
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,000
Stick your lower jaw forward.

762
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:05,000
You know, and sing like that and overpernance everything.

763
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,000
Yeah.

764
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,000
That's just me.

765
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000
We all have, we all have our opinions.

766
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Yeah, of course.

767
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,000
I mean, I definitely, I, I hear what you're saying and I, it's some ways, I understand it.

768
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,000
I mean, he was not, he was definitely a lot like a jazz singer.

769
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,000
I would definitely say he's more maybe a traditional pop.

770
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,000
Yeah, he's a pop singer.

771
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,000
That's what, that's what pop music was.

772
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,000
Yeah.

773
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,000
Exactly.

774
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,000
You know, but now we just call it jazz.

775
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000
Yeah.

776
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,000
To me, like, yeah, I can understand why, why Chet would be your number one.

777
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,000
I get it.

778
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000
I love his phrasing.

779
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000
He's so simple.

780
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:50,000
Like even something like my, like his interpretation of my funny Valentine is stunning, right?

781
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Yeah.

782
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Yeah.

783
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
And everybody loves to make fun of that song.

784
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:08,000
But I find that female jazz singers, like it is so hard to kind of like put a ranking system together, because, you know,

785
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,000
Billy holiday could never sound like Ella Fitzgerald.

786
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,000
Yeah.

787
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:18,000
But Ella could never sound like Billy, right?

788
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,000
Yeah.

789
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:32,000
And then you've got Nina Simone, but you know, it's, I think it's very easy to put male jazz singers in a line.

790
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,000
You know, you can kind of line them up.

791
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:44,000
But female jazz singers, there is so much more diversity in their voice and in their catalog.

792
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:58,000
It's almost like you have like, you've got like four or five greats that the world revolves around Ella, Billy, Nina, Sarah.

793
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,000
Yeah.

794
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,000
Yeah.

795
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,000
Even even even Aretha Franklin, you know, exactly.

796
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,000
You know, and I, but anyways, we could, we could talk about that for hours, right?

797
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,000
Yeah.

798
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,000
I actually, I have a phone on that.

799
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,000
I hit it.

800
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,000
Like why that is.

801
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,000
Yeah.

802
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Like over the past few years, there's been a lot of talk about like, like, females and, yeah, females in music and, like, how, how the pressure is different and how we're treated differently.

803
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:34,000
And I myself experienced this like over and over and over again, being treated very differently from other singers who are male.

804
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,000
Yeah.

805
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:51,000
I have a feeling that like these, these females that you were mentioning, the reason that they kind of stick out is because as a female, as a woman in music, you kind of have to have everything tip top.

806
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:59,000
You have to master what you were good at and not give anyone a chance to give it critique.

807
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:07,000
You kind of have to, if you have something that's good, you have to master it as opposed to a man.

808
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Like for example, I could definitely put Frank Sinatra and Natkin Cole, like in some ways, like they sound similar.

809
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,000
They have similar traits.

810
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
So although I don't want to offend you.

811
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,000
No, no, bring it.

812
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:33,000
But it's like they definitely don't have this kind of like unique niche that female singers that you mentioned have.

813
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,000
Absolutely.

814
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:49,000
I think this is something that females, and especially I can only imagine like slightly how African-American females have dealt with this through the years because I cannot for the life of me understand it.

815
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:58,000
But as a female, I have experienced the fact that people are like, okay, so this is not like spectacular, okay, then I don't really want to hear it.

816
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,000
But if a man would do the same thing, they would be like, huh, very interesting.

817
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,000
That's just this.

818
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,000
That's good enough.

819
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,000
That's good enough.

820
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,000
That's good enough.

821
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Yeah.

822
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,000
Exactly. This way more pressure on female artists.

823
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,000
And I'm sorry, that's just a fact.

824
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,000
And I agree with you.

825
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Yeah, you don't have to apologize. I agree with you 100% and that pressure created better, more diverse artists.

826
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,000
Absolutely.

827
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,000
Period.

828
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,000
Absolutely.

829
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,000
Yeah.

830
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Like you do not have the same diversity in male singers that you do in female singers.

831
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,000
No, period.

832
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:42,000
And I think your, I think that whole theory that you laid out there, I agree with it 100%.

833
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:54,000
I think personally, and I've said this many times, female artists in country music are the only ones that are pushing the boundaries.

834
01:04:54,000 --> 01:05:01,000
They are the only ones that are not, not only in terms of music production, but lyric topics.

835
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:11,000
Like they're the only ones out there that are really kicking country music in the shins and asking, forcing, begging it to change.

836
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Case in point, Beyonce.

837
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,000
Yeah.

838
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Right.

839
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Absolutely.

840
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:23,000
Yeah, I find female singers much more interesting in any genre to listen to.

841
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,000
Yeah.

842
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,000
But yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

843
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,000
And then, but, and it's so hard.

844
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,000
And there's just so much diversity in there.

845
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:45,000
Like in all the different genres, it's, it's really hard to like, to kind of like choose one that then like rises to the top of everything.

846
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,000
I think, yeah.

847
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:58,000
I think if you had to pick one as the greatest, somebody who just hit all of the genres, I think you'd have to go with a wreath of franklin myself.

848
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,000
Yeah.

849
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:04,000
I mean, gospel, blues, rock, jazz.

850
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,000
Yeah.

851
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Opera.

852
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,000
Seriously.

853
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,000
All the way.

854
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,000
Yeah.

855
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:17,000
She stood like, go look at that, like, like, like, pop a rotti, it was supposed to sing at the Grammys or something like that.

856
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,000
Yeah.

857
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,000
And he got, he got sick.

858
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,000
Of course he did, right?

859
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000
The king of high c.

860
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:28,000
The guy, guy canceled more gigs than, than the actual rose from guns and roses.

861
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,000
But she stood in for him to sing opera.

862
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,000
Yeah.

863
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,000
Yeah.

864
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000
I think a wreath that might have been the greatest of all time.

865
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,000
That may well be.

866
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,000
Yeah.

867
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,000
I think I agree with you there.

868
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,000
Yeah.

869
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Just as a little side point on, on this whole discussion is that like, for some reason, female singers and musicians kind of get like lined up and compared.

870
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000
A lot.

871
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Yeah.

872
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:10,000
And I have a feeling that these, these five that we mentioned earlier, they kind of, you can't really line them up and say this one is better than that one because they all have this kind of unique thing going on.

873
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:17,000
I think that's the reason it's like, yeah, because we are compared to each other like all the time.

874
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,000
Yeah.

875
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:24,000
And she does this and she does that. Oh, you must not be friends then.

876
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
So we can coexist.

877
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
Come on.

878
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Yeah.

879
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,000
This is, this is a slightly thing as well.

880
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:35,000
Such an interesting, such an interesting discussion that maybe better for another time.

881
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Yeah, but well, hey, this, this is a discussion that happens in my household all the time.

882
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Right?

883
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,000
It's good.

884
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,000
It's healthy.

885
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:52,000
And I think more, more guys need to listen to it, need to just shut their mouths and listen to it.

886
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Yeah, just recognize that it's a problem.

887
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
It's happening.

888
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,000
Don't say anything.

889
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:04,000
They don't want you to say anything, but for God's sake, just sit there and listen first.

890
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,000
Exactly.

891
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Just listen.

892
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,000
Don't try to fix it.

893
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,000
Don't come up with solutions.

894
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,000
Just listen and recognize that it's a problem.

895
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,000
Yeah, it's a problem.

896
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,000
Just recognize it.

897
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,000
Yeah.

898
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:22,000
I have to, yep, I've, I've, I've had to, I've had to learn a lot of lessons in the last 20 years.

899
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
Yeah, so, yeah.

900
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,000
Hey, thank you so much for doing this.

901
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,000
I know we're, we're going to wrap it up here with a, with a new song that you're dropping

902
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,000
in the value verse, but Marina, thank you so much for your time.

903
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:43,000
This was a wonderful discussion and I look forward to talking with you again.

904
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,000
Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

905
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,000
It was, it was super interesting and super fun.

906
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,000
Yeah, sit, sit, stick around and we'll, and we'll keep talking.

907
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Yeah.

908
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,000
Successful.

909
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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:26,000
[Music]

917
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:34,000
[Music]

918
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:44,000
[Music]

919
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:54,000
[Music]

920
01:10:54,000 --> 01:11:04,000
[Music]

921
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:12,000
[Music]

922
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:22,000
[Music]

923
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:32,000
[Music]

924
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:42,000
[Music]

925
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:52,000
[Music]

926
01:11:52,000 --> 01:12:02,000
[Music]

927
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:12,000
[Music]

928
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,000
[Music]

929
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:26,000
[Music]

930
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:36,000
[Music]

931
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:46,000
[Music]

932
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:56,000
[Music]

933
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:06,000
[Music]

934
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:16,000
[Music]

935
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:26,000
[Music]

936
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:36,000
[Music]

937
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:46,000
[Music]

938
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:56,000
[Music]

939
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:06,000
[Music]

940
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:16,000
[Music]

941
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:26,000
[Music]

942
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:36,000
[Music]

943
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:46,000
[Music]

944
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:56,000
[Music]

945
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:06,000
[Music]

946
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:16,000
[Music]

947
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:26,000
[Music]

948
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:36,000
[Music]

949
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:46,000
[Music]

950
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:56,000
[Music]

951
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:06,000
[Music]

952
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:16,000
[Music]

953
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:26,000
[Music]

954
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:36,000
[Music]

955
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:46,000
[Music]

956
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:56,000
[Music]

957
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:06,000
[Music]

958
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:16,000
[Music]

959
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:26,000
[Music]

960
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:36,000
[Music]

961
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:46,000
[Music]

962
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:56,000
[Music]

963
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:06,000
[Music]

964
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:16,000
[Music]

965
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:26,000
[Music]

966
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:36,000
[Music]

967
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:46,000
[Music]

968
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:56,000
[Music]

969
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:06,000
[Music]

970
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:16,000
[Music]

971
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:26,000
[Music]

972
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:36,000
[Music]

973
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:46,000
[Music]

974
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:56,000
[Music]

975
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:06,000
[Music]

976
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:16,000
[Music]

977
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:26,000
[Music]

978
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:36,000
[Music]