1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:15,880 - Hey everybody, welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour. 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,080 This is a listener supported value cast, snow ads, 4 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:22,640 there's no commercials, there's no sponsors. 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,080 And if you like it, if it brings value into your life, 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,760 I would ask that you share some of that value in return, 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,440 be it with your time, talent or treasure. 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,240 And I hope you do the same, not only for today's guest, 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,760 Abby Muir, but for all of the artists that we play 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,040 on our shows, be it the music review 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,920 or the music hour, the business hour, all of it. 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,680 That is what value for value is about. 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,040 It's not just about sharing satoshies and Bitcoin. 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,480 It's also about time and talent. 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,240 So as always, welcome your feedback and suggestions, 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,440 artists, songs, band suggestions, anything. 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,240 You can find me on Noster, Telegram, 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,320 Mastodon, Instagram, X, 19 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:13,000 but you will not find me on TikTok. 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Thank you. 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,480 Lovely conversation today with Abby Muir. 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,840 It had been a while since we had spoken. 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,120 I actually had the pleasure of playing piano for her 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,160 up here in Nashville a year and a half ago. 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,440 But since then, every conversation we've had 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,000 has been via email or me with her team. 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,840 So it was great to actually get on the horn with her again 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,920 and catch up and talk about her songwriting 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,320 and her trip to Tokyo recently to cut vocals 30 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:40,360 and finish up a whole new bunch of tracks 31 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,080 that she's got coming and talk a little bit about 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,600 where she's from in Scotland and moving down to Australia 33 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:49,560 and all that fun stuff. 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,240 But before we get to the interview, 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,240 let's crank it up with Stock Home, 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,760 the song that she dropped into the value verse 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:00,760 a couple of months ago. 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:01,280 You ready? 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,840 We'll check it out and then bring her on. 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:05,680 Here we go. 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,680 ♪ My dear, you could go meet in the south ♪ 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,680 ♪ And tell me the road was and you go into detail ♪ 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,680 ♪ Just hide and then for me I would so stay ♪ 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,480 ♪ No roads around my head ♪ 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,200 ♪ Just tell me you love me and I'm change ♪ 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,680 ♪ To your command ♪ 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,520 ♪ I love the way you're mean and force your head ♪ 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,480 ♪ And your touch ♪ 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,320 ♪ The way you're gonna sit my name is Isaac ♪ 50 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,480 ♪ When I'm using it at the end this way ♪ 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,640 ♪ So I'll find a beauty and call in you ♪ 52 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:43,640 ♪ Baby, you're the man I love you ♪ 53 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,160 ♪ I say I'm scared it's the truth ♪ 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,640 ♪ And I know that this is all a phone ♪ 55 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:55,640 ♪ I know that you'll be excited when you leave me ♪ 56 00:02:55,640 --> 00:03:01,400 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,520 ♪ For a reason is like you caught up in your faint ♪ 58 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,680 ♪ Just bring me things out people ♪ 59 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,480 ♪ Who suddenly wouldn't say ♪ 60 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,480 ♪ And I'm over my head and blood that I've fled ♪ 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,360 ♪ In time that I've spent ♪ 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,960 ♪ But I do it again ♪ 63 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,200 ♪ You could leave me dead ♪ 64 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,680 ♪ And I'm still love ♪ 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,680 ♪ The way you're mean and force your head ♪ 66 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,720 ♪ And your touch ♪ 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,440 ♪ The way you're gonna sit my name is Isaac ♪ 68 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,520 ♪ When I'm using it at the end this way ♪ 69 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,680 ♪ So I'll find a beauty and call in you ♪ 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,680 ♪ Baby, you're the man I love you ♪ 71 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,320 ♪ I say I'm scared it's the truth ♪ 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,560 ♪ And I know that this is all a phone ♪ 73 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,560 ♪ I've got to be where I'll be if I am ♪ 74 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,560 ♪ Oh, I'd take all the pain away from you ♪ 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:03,560 ♪ You know I'd take all the pain away ♪ 76 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:09,560 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,560 ♪ Wait ♪ 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,560 ♪ Oh, oh, wait ♪ 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,560 ♪ I leave her blind ♪ 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,560 ♪ If you can't embrace me ♪ 81 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,560 ♪ I'll leave you blind ♪ 82 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,560 ♪ And I'll confess ♪ 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,560 ♪ Please ♪ 84 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,560 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 85 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,560 ♪ I say I'm scared it's the truth ♪ 86 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,560 ♪ And I know that this is all a phone ♪ 87 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,560 ♪ I've got to be where I'll be if I am ♪ 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,560 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,560 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 90 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,140 (rock music) 91 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:20,560 - All right, Stockholm. 92 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,560 What's up Abby? 93 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,200 How are you, dear? 94 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,520 - I'm amazing. 95 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,440 How are you? 96 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,440 - I'm doing great. 97 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,080 I'm so glad we finally get a chance to chat. 98 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,600 - Mm-hmm. 99 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,000 - Yeah, me too. 100 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 It's been too long. 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,280 You quite frankly have been ignoring me. 102 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:38,040 I've been stuck relegated to speaking. 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:38,880 - No, no, no, no, no, no. 104 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:39,880 - Me. 105 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,280 - I haven't been ignoring you. 106 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:46,280 I've just been shit sitting around little crazy life. 107 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:47,440 - Yeah, good. 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,720 - But a lot of stuff going on. 109 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,440 - You really have. 110 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,200 I mean, so for those who didn't catch it, 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,920 when I've introduced a couple of your songs, 112 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,120 either in the review or on the music hour, 113 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,840 I actually played a gig with Abby. 114 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:05,840 - Yeah. 115 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:07,840 - Yeah, up here in Nashville. 116 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:10,680 It was a year and a half ago, dude. 117 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:11,760 Can you believe that? 118 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,800 - I know, I can't believe it. 119 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,160 - It's been a lot, but if they dive deep 120 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,680 into your Facebook profile, 121 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,240 they probably find it. 122 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,400 - Yeah, they can probably. 123 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,320 - Yeah, they could easily find it. 124 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,520 - Yeah, that was a beautiful song, 125 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,600 "Indee" with a nice little chord change, 126 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,960 and I love that. 127 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,960 - Mm-hmm. 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,920 - Major Six Play, the name of the song is, 129 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,800 I forgot about me, but that was a lot of fun. 130 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,920 And I'm so thankful that our paths have crossed again, 131 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,000 and here you are in the values. 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,760 - Yeah, who would have thought? 133 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,920 - It's crazyness. 134 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,640 All right, so let's start with this. 135 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,320 What is going on? 136 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,760 What were you doing up in Tokyo? 137 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:52,920 Rit recently, tell me about it. 138 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,760 - Oh, yeah, I just got back a couple of weeks ago. 139 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,880 I was recording there. 140 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,360 I found a producer online, and he was really cool, 141 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,520 and I wanted to sort of go somewhere outside of the box, 142 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,920 'cause I wasn't sure about saying Australia to record. 143 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,800 I was gonna be recording an album, 144 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,640 so I had 10 to 13 songs that I was ready 145 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,320 to lay down on the vocals for, 146 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,720 and yeah, I went to Tokyo, 147 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,720 and it was very, very overwhelming at first. 148 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,080 And also the first week I was there, and I got stripped through, 149 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,480 so I couldn't even record for the first week. 150 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,640 - Oh, no. 151 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,640 - So I had only one week to record an entire album of songs, 152 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,480 and we got seven songs down, which I am very proud of. 153 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,080 That's seven out of 10, and I think we got 154 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,680 a good chunk done out of them, 155 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,360 but yeah, it was very disappointing being sick, 156 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,920 but I still had such a great time, 157 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,120 and I've never actually enjoyed working 158 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,080 with an engineer so much, 159 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,800 I get along so well with him. 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,120 - Nice. - So I would really love to go back and do more. 161 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,400 - And finish him up. 162 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,360 - Wow, that is, man, what a bummer you got strep going up there. 163 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,360 - I know. 164 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,200 - Would you just get in the hotel for like a week? 165 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,360 - Yeah, I tried to rest up. 166 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,360 I ended up my producer and his wife took me to the doctors, 167 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,800 and they didn't speak English, 168 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,440 so I had to, his wife had to try and translate for me 169 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,640 and tell them what I was feeling, what was wrong, 170 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,520 and I was trying to describe like little white stones 171 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,960 coming out my throat, and so they did test on me, 172 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,080 and then I thought it was tonsillitis, 173 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,440 'cause I've had tonsillitis before, 174 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,080 but then he was like, no, it's strep throat, 175 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,360 and it's pretty bad, so no singing for at least three days. 176 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,600 - And they gave me antibiotics and medication, 177 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,360 and but, but I felt healed up the next day. 178 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,840 Like after taking the meds that night, 179 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,880 the next morning I felt completely healed. 180 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,360 I was like, what the heck? 181 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,280 Japanese medication is next level. 182 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,080 - So that green tea, man. 183 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,120 - Yeah, the matcha, matcha cup. 184 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,960 - Yeah. 185 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:22,640 - Well, I know a thing or two about being in a hospital 186 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,040 in a foreign country and the doctor 187 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,160 and the nurse not speaking English. 188 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,360 - Yeah. - What happened? 189 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,040 - I was in Germany. 190 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,920 I was in Germany, and yeah, I got hit. 191 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,200 I got hit, let's just put it that way. 192 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,960 - Hit as in like, punch store by a court. 193 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,280 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 194 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,280 I got punched. 195 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,520 It's a totally embarrassing story. 196 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,880 - We're not here to talk about me. 197 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,480 I'll tell you the story offline. 198 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,320 - Yeah, okay. 199 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,640 - But yeah, I know a thing or two about that. 200 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,080 Yeah, I was-- - It's scary. 201 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,120 - Yeah, it is, especially when you young, 202 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,400 'cause I was like, 20, 21 when it happened, so. 203 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,080 - Yeah, no. 204 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,000 Yeah, it's very isolating, but yeah, 205 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 everything worked out in there, and so very grateful. 206 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,920 - So where did you get, so, all right, 207 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,080 so you fly up to Tokyo to do the vocals, 208 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,840 but where did you track? 209 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,240 Where'd you track the instruments? 210 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,080 Where was that? 211 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,120 - Oh, so my producer Kyle, he's actually making them 212 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,360 in the studio. 213 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,720 - Okay, and Kyle's, Kyle's, 214 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,480 - He did, yeah. - Aaron Australia? 215 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,200 - Nope, he's in Japan. 216 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,360 - Okay. 217 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,520 - But we've been bouncing back and forth for a while, 218 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,720 and I sent him reference tracks and everything, 219 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,120 and like I've heard demos that he's done, 220 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,280 so I'm just waiting on the next song 221 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,200 that I'm gonna be putting out, 222 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,240 and I should be getting that in the next couple of days, 223 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,000 like the final mix and master. 224 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,520 - So Kyle, so like when you guys are writing these songs together, 225 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,080 do you send Kyle like a rough draft, 226 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,880 like what we would call a Nashville, 227 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,000 as like a work tape, of just you banging it out on the piano? 228 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:08,840 Okay. 229 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,560 - So it depends on the song, 230 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,400 because sometimes I write acoustically, 231 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,520 and then sometimes I'll search up beats, 232 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,360 and instrumentals online, 233 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,080 and then I'll write to that, 234 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,520 and then I'll just send him that instrumental, 235 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,520 and we can make something new, 236 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,040 just using that as a reference. 237 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,160 - Very cool. 238 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,200 - That makes sense, yeah. 239 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,040 - Yeah, it does. 240 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,560 I just didn't understand how you did it, 241 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,880 because I know, like, obviously I've followed you now 242 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,480 for a year and a half ever since we had that gig together, 243 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,360 and I've seen you doing some gigs with, 244 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,200 yeah, you're sister playing guitar, 245 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,640 and some other guitar, 246 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,320 and I see your band. 247 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,680 So I was like, "Oh, how's she putting the music together?" 248 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:49,360 So, yeah. - Cool. 249 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,200 - Well, cool. 250 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,760 And you found this dude online, right? 251 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,160 - Yeah. 252 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,120 - His studio, Tokyo dope studios, 253 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:03,120 I think the third top studio in Tokyo, 254 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:09,360 and that's coming second to like the really big label studios. 255 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,800 - How long did it take you guys to get into 256 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,640 a good working relationship to get into like, 257 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,560 "Oh, this dude is fire. 258 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:21,120 "I'm definitely gonna work with this guy." 259 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,480 Like, how long did it take? 260 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,520 - Well, we clicked pretty much straight away. 261 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,640 Like, he's really easy to talk to. 262 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,360 He's got a good vibe, 263 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,360 but I would say like, probably in like the third session, 264 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:40,600 he actually sat me down and started having a deep chat 265 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,440 about it. 266 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,920 He was telling me that he was the more time he was spending 267 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,520 with me, he was really impressed with my lyricism 268 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,160 and like all these little things. 269 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,360 And it was really, really nice. 270 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,000 And I feel like that moment, we bonded a lot as musicians. 271 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,200 Like, we were just talking about our experiences. 272 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,680 And, you know, so I'd say probably like, 273 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,960 by our third session, we were locked in. 274 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,880 - We locked in. 275 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,240 Right on, good, I know it's hard, man. 276 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,280 I know it's hard to find a good, 277 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:09,120 I mean, how it's hard? 278 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,240 - It's very hard, yeah. 279 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,160 - It's just hard to find good bandmates, right? 280 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,760 I think like one of the things that I've gotten into the habit 281 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,040 here in Nashville is like, if somebody wants me to play 282 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,520 in their band or, you know, work with them, I'm like, 283 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,440 okay, let's go have a cup of coffee, let's hang. 284 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,440 - Mm-hmm. 285 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,680 - You know, 'cause you're gonna hang more than your gig 286 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:33,880 and more than your work. 287 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,880 And if that hang, if the hang sucks, I ain't gonna do it. 288 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,520 - Well, yeah, can you imagine if I didn't like Kyle 289 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,560 and I was stuck there for two weeks trying to record 290 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:44,720 an album with him? 291 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:45,560 - Oh, screw that. 292 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:46,400 - No. 293 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,840 - It would drag, it would suck so bad. 294 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,080 - Yeah, 'cause once you get it in your head 295 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,280 that the relationship is shot, 296 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,320 then your creative energy is gone. 297 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,520 - Yeah, it's over. 298 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,240 - Yeah, and you're not gonna perform the same. 299 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,080 You're not gonna perform the same. 300 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,000 - Yeah, when you, yeah. 301 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,720 - So you got seven done, seven out of 10, not bad. 302 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,560 Yeah, okay. 303 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,200 And then the rest of the other three were sort of like 304 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,120 acoustic tracks anyways. 305 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,600 So it's something that I could record at home 306 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,400 because I do have a pretty good set up here 307 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,400 and I do enjoy producing my own vocals anyways. 308 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,080 So recording myself here at home 309 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,000 might be something that I'll look at. 310 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,720 - Well, yeah. 311 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,360 - Yeah, that's one of the questions I had for you 312 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,200 because I broke down the lyrics on Blueprint 313 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,880 and I ordered not the lyrics but, well, 314 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,000 I did the lyrics a little bit. 315 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,320 Like I liked your comment about the hands. 316 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,160 - Oh, thank you. 317 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,520 - But I broke down the track of Blueprint 318 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,040 and all the vocals that she did. 319 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,560 And then I learned afterwards, 320 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,040 so like your team told me, yeah, she cut those at home. 321 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,280 I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. 322 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,880 So tell me, like, let's get nerdy. 323 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,240 What do you have for your interface? 324 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,240 What do you have for your DAW? 325 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,200 What do you have for your mics? 326 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,600 What are you doing? 327 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,200 - Okay, so I've got my interfaces, the Apollo Twin. 328 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,200 - Okay. 329 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,400 - But I recently just got a new one. 330 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,200 I did have the Oli's, the Easonies and I think I have a... 331 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,040 - Okay, my dad actually is very obsessed with mics 332 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,880 and everything and he likes to research some. 333 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,200 - Good, good dad. 334 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,200 - He shows this one, yeah. 335 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,160 - And then what are you using for your DAW? 336 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,160 - I use Logic Perk. 337 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,160 - Oh, look at you. 338 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,160 - Yeah, I love Logic because I started on Garageband. 339 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,160 That's what I put my first song out with. 340 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,160 - Which one? 341 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,160 - I did on Garageband. 342 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,160 - Jimmy Jeebies. 343 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,160 - You did he be Jeebies on Garageband? 344 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,160 - Yeah, yeah, I did. 345 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,160 - Yeah, and I bet you your dad is like, 346 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:05,160 well, you got 160,000 dreams on the free software. 347 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,160 - What the hell do I do? 348 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,160 - Hey Logic. 349 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,160 - Jeebies like Mars, but I guess you Logic. 350 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,160 - Yeah. 351 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,160 - Yeah, I love it. 352 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:18,160 I've ever since I've first started recording myself at home, 353 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,160 like harmonies and just producing my vocals. 354 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,160 I've been so obsessed with it. 355 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,160 It's my favorite part to be honest about making music is the layering and... 356 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,160 - Really? 357 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,160 - Yeah. 358 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:36,160 - How, what are you using in Logic for compression? 359 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,160 Are you just using the stock plug-in? 360 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,160 - Yeah, I just use the stock plug-in. 361 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,160 - Really? 362 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,160 - Yeah, and like tweak some little things. 363 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,160 I'm really not like a wizz with it. 364 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,160 Like I don't actually know too much. 365 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,160 I just know when it sounds good and go with the flow. 366 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,160 - No, that's good though. 367 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,160 That's good because if you're kicking those raw stems up to Kyle, 368 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,160 you're gonna want to send them to him as I say up here, 369 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:09,160 just raw and down the middle, meaning no effects, no pan. 370 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,160 - Nothing on him, yeah. 371 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,160 - Right, yeah. 372 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,160 So that's cool, good for you. 373 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,160 You're going with the bear tracks in there. 374 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,160 So how on BluPrint specifically, 375 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:26,160 if you can, if you remember, 376 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,160 how many tracks did you have of just BluPrint? 377 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,160 - I probably had, man, I had a lot, 378 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,160 like I probably had seven to ten different harmony lines. 379 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,160 - Yeah. 380 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,160 - And then I had adlibs on top of that. 381 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,160 - And duplicates. 382 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,160 - And leads, yeah. 383 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,160 - Yeah. 384 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,160 - I had a lot, like 20, maybe 30. 385 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,160 - 30 vocal tracks. 386 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,160 I believe it. 387 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,160 - Yeah. 388 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,160 - I believe it. 389 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,160 How long did it take you to do to complete that? 390 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,160 - So I wrote BluPrint. 391 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,160 This is gonna sound so like, you know what I mean? 392 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,160 But I actually wrote BluPrint in a couple hours 393 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:21,160 and did like rough ideas for the harmonies. 394 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,160 It took me about a day, but then when I was properly recording it, 395 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,160 it took me, I think a couple days to just get everything 396 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,160 how I wanted it and make sure everything was right 397 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,160 and not clashing. 398 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,160 - Yeah. 399 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,160 Well, it's brilliant. 400 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,160 It's really brilliant. 401 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,160 Like, I love your runs up in there. 402 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,160 Yeah, your runs were killer on that. 403 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,160 - Yeah. 404 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,160 - And it's funny too, how, I mean, you know, 405 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,160 I know you've got at least a dozen songs that you've released now. 406 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,160 - And I don't take them, you know, when you said 407 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,160 that you wrote BluPrint in a couple hours, 408 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,160 that doesn't surprise me, you know? 409 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,160 I mean, you've been doing this enough that you know, 410 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,160 some of your songs are gonna take you a couple of days, 411 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,160 a couple of weeks, maybe even a month or two to finish. 412 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,160 And then some days, you know, it's just like, 413 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,160 you know, one pops out and you're like, what the hell was that? 414 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,160 - Yeah. 415 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,160 - Yeah. 416 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,160 - Why can't they always be like that? 417 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,160 - Yeah, I know. 418 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,160 - Yeah. 419 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,160 - How long did it take you to write Stockholm? 420 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:35,160 - So, I think I actually also wrote that one in a day. 421 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,160 And then I brought it to the band and then the music part 422 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,160 was the part that took the longest to write, 423 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,160 but my vocals and lyrics, I did that in a day. 424 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,160 That one just came to me really quick as well, 425 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,160 because at the time I wrote it, I was in my like, 426 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,160 Harry Potter obsession era. 427 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,160 And I was really, really obsessed with Draco Malfoy. 428 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,160 And so my idea, I like when it's a writer song about 429 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,160 being in love with a villain or like the bad guy 430 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,160 and knowing it's wrong. 431 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,160 And so it kind of just came to me really quickly 432 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,160 and I was just like a word vomiting out all the lyrics. 433 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,160 And so when it happens like that, yeah, it's easy. 434 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,160 I can get songs done super quickly. 435 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,160 - Do you find that you use literature or movies a lot 436 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,160 as an inspiration or is it daily life? 437 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,160 Like, where do your ideas come from primarily? 438 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:39,160 - Yeah, I really, um, lyrics are very, very important to me. 439 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:44,160 I read a lot of books and I think poetry as well 440 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,160 as sort of an inspiration when it comes to writing. 441 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,160 And you know, I'm a big movie head too, 442 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,160 so I would say literature and stuff. 443 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,160 - So? 444 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,160 - Like a part of my writing, but, um, yeah, 445 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,160 it's all my songs are sort of from real life experiences 446 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,160 or scenarios that I make up in my head and then 447 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,160 put myself in the shoes of that character 448 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,160 and then trying right from that perspective. 449 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,160 - So who are some of your favorite poets? 450 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,160 - Maya Angelou, um, subtle. 451 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,160 - Yeah, popular American. 452 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,160 - Yeah. 453 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,160 - And I also, I like, this sounds really cringy, 454 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,160 but I get a lot of like poetry, 455 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,160 up on Instagram and TikTok. 456 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,160 And when I see one of those and they like, it inspire me, 457 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,160 I'll save them and write a song using one of the lines 458 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,160 or like, the feel of it. 459 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,160 - Okay. 460 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,160 - Yeah. 461 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:51,160 - You're not inspired by any of the great poets from Scotland 462 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,160 from the Highlands? 463 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,160 - I mean, I probably shouldn't say no. 464 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,160 (laughs) 465 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,160 - Right, 'cause you're like-- 466 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,160 - It doesn't even matter to me who wrote it if I read it 467 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,160 and it makes me feel something, then I'll take inspiration from it. 468 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,160 - Fair enough, 'cause you were actually born and raised in Scotland. 469 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,160 - Yeah, that was. 470 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,160 - And then your family immigrates over to a warmer climate. 471 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,160 - I'm in much warmer climate. 472 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,160 - Yeah, I mean, it's like, yeah, you're up on the northern, 473 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,160 or on the northeastern side, 474 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,160 and it's like, hot as hell, pretty much every day, right? 475 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,160 - It's like the hottest it gets here in Australia. 476 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,160 It's like, can get to the five thirties to forties in the summer. 477 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,160 - Oh, yeah. 478 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,160 - And it's the humidity too. 479 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,160 It's so bad, it's like 97%. 480 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,160 - Yeah, yeah. 481 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,160 - So when it's raining, it's like boiling hot, 482 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,160 and you're sticky and sweaty. 483 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,160 - Yeah, oh, sounds like being a Disney world in August. 484 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,160 (laughs) 485 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,160 That's no fun. 486 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,160 And you guys, so you're in your fall right now, 487 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,160 you're coming into your quote unquote winter or so. 488 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,160 - Mm-hmm. 489 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:07,160 - Do you have a desire to go back to Scotland? 490 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,160 I mean, you're getting to the point where you can probably go anywhere 491 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,160 that you want to go. 492 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,160 - Yeah. 493 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,160 - Are you cool with Stan and Australia? 494 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,160 Are you thinking about going back to the British Isles? 495 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:27,160 - I would love to go back and see family and see where I grew up. 496 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,160 Again, it's really weird we're talking about this 497 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,160 because I had a dream last night that I went back to Barra where I'm from. 498 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,160 And I really would love to. 499 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,160 I do miss it. 500 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,160 I don't think I would ever move back there because Australia's, 501 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,160 it feels like going to me now, caring especially. 502 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,160 I've noticed like the last couple times I've gone away, 503 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,160 like to Japan and so far, I've found myself really, really missing it here. 504 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,160 - Mm-hmm. 505 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,160 - Just all the little things about it. 506 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,160 So I would love to go back to Scotland and visit for a holiday. 507 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,160 But I just feel like I'd always end up wanting to come back here. 508 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,160 - Yeah. 509 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,160 How big of a town is it? 510 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,160 First of all, how the hell do you pronounce it? 511 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,160 Is it corn? 512 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,160 - Cains. 513 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,160 - Cains. 514 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,160 - Cains? 515 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,160 Like France? 516 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,160 - Cains. 517 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,160 - Cains. 518 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,160 - Yeah, like, like, like, where they do the film festival in France? 519 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,160 Can? 520 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,160 - Oh, yeah. 521 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,160 - Yeah. 522 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,160 - Yeah. 523 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,160 - Sort of. 524 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,160 Cains. 525 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,160 - Right. 526 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,160 How big of a town is it? 527 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,160 How big of a city is it? 528 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,160 - It's not massive. 529 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,160 I think there's like 150,000 people. 530 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,160 - Okay. 531 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,160 I mean, it must be pretty good because you're getting a bunch of gigs there. 532 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,160 So. 533 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,160 - Yeah, it is good. 534 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,160 There's a good little music scene here. 535 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,160 - Okay. 536 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,160 How long does it take you to get down to, like, Sydney or Melbourne or Brisbane? 537 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,160 - Oh, so it's like a two to three hour flight. 538 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,160 Like my sister just moved to Melbourne and that's a three hour flight away. 539 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,160 - Okay. 540 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,160 All right. 541 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,160 - Yeah. 542 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,160 - So, and there's a pretty good gig scene there now. 543 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,480 I think you'll stay up in that corner of Australia or you think you'll go down into one of the 544 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,480 capitals. 545 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:27,400 - I would like to venture out and experience living in one of the bigger cities. 546 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:33,160 I don't know when, but it's definitely something that I would like to do. 547 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,160 - All right, on. 548 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,160 Well, let's talk a little bit about Blueprint again. 549 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,160 - Yeah. 550 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,160 - What was some of the inspiration behind the track? 551 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:53,160 - Well, I was very heartbroken when I wrote it. 552 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,160 Very, very heartbroken. 553 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,160 I had a really tough year, last year. 554 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,160 - I'm tired of that. 555 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,160 - Yeah, it's okay. 556 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,160 It's good though, because I've gotten a lot of content out of it. 557 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,160 I've gotten an entire album that I love from it. 558 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,160 So, you know, silver linings. 559 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,160 - Yeah. 560 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:19,000 - Yeah, I was just really heartbroken and at the time I was on a mission to finish this album 561 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,520 that I was writing as well. 562 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:26,160 And so I was thinking about what I wanted to write about, what I was feeling. 563 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,640 And it just like concept of feeling like I would never fall in love again. 564 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:37,160 And this person I was with has set a standard that no one else can ever meet because they're 565 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,160 just not him. 566 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,160 And so that's kind of just how happened. 567 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,160 And I found an instrumental online that I really liked. 568 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,160 It was like a mini web style track. 569 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,160 And I like her a lot. 570 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,160 And so, yeah, I wrote to that and they pretty much finished it in a couple hours. 571 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,160 And they sent it around my team and they all loved it. 572 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,160 - They're like, "Okay, it's on. 573 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,160 Let's get it done." 574 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:12,160 - So, the seven to ten songs that are going to be part of this project, are they all referencing 575 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:18,160 this relationship for the past year or is there, do you have some other topics that you're, 576 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,160 I mean, don't get me wrong, man. 577 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,160 Like heartbreak is always a great topic. 578 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,160 I mean, God knows I wrote probably three quarters of my stuff about that. 579 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,160 - Let's be here. 580 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:38,160 Well, actually, my, I'd say half and half, half are kind of like sad and heartbreak songs, 581 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:44,160 but the other half are about just being in love and being head over heels. 582 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:52,160 And at the time, like, I wasn't really writing, I wasn't writing about how I was feeling, 583 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,160 because I wasn't feeling in love and over the moon. 584 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:02,160 I, I don't know, I wanted to be, so I guess writing like that, it gave me, it put me in that headspace 585 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,160 of like feeling like that, so it helped me out at the time. 586 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:18,160 - Do you find that when you write, like, are you taking like a whole span of time, 587 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:24,160 like, you know, you're addressing, well, you kind of do it in Blueprint, like with Blueprint, 588 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:30,160 you took the whole relationship of this, with this dude, and how this dude created the Blueprint, 589 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,160 and you made that into a song. 590 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:40,160 Do you ever find yourself writing about that one instance in life where it's like, 591 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:46,160 you know, that one flash, and then during that flash, you have a rush of emotion that come through. 592 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,160 It could be, it could be love, it could be fear, it could be pain, it could be anything, 593 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:58,160 like, I remember a bunch of times, I would, I would have an experience in my life, 594 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:05,160 and it would be like a flash, and I'd have a rush of emotions about just this one little instance, 595 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:11,160 this one little small thing, and I would end up writing a three or four minute song about that minding thing. 596 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,160 - Just that one little feeling, yeah, absolutely. - Yeah, absolutely. 597 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,160 - Do you have that as well? 598 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:28,160 - Yeah, of course, I think like, emotion is a huge part about writing, so I feel like, yeah, of course. 599 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:34,160 - Well, what is, what, to you, what's the best part about being a songwriter? 600 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:45,160 - Hmm, I think on obviously having a creative outlet, a way to express myself and tell my stories, 601 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:54,160 and I also love that I can give other people something to relate to, 602 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,160 and I know Blueprint is a really great song for girls that are heartbroken. 603 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:05,160 I know a lot of girls that feel that way where they have like that one X that they don't think they'll ever get over, 604 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,160 and so I would hope that I can provide some kind of comfort, 605 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,160 even if it's only for like the three minutes that they're listening to the song, 606 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:19,160 that they can feel a little bit more okay. 607 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,160 - Yeah. - I have like some, I have a really, really emotional song, 608 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:31,160 my favorite song I've ever written, that I'm probably going to be putting out in a couple months. 609 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:39,160 - Yeah, I'm so, so excited for it to be out, and for people to listen and feel like everybody that I've played it, 610 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,160 I've had like cried or had goosebumps, it sounds like I'm really talking myself up, but... 611 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,160 - Yeah, I think that's something I'm not emotional about. 612 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160 - Go for it. - What are you not emotional about? 613 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,160 - What's the title? - It's called Fighting Up Hill. 614 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,160 - Fighting Up Hill? - Yeah. 615 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:04,160 - Okay, okay. Good Scottish, I just got good Scottish Highland vibes. 616 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,160 - Are you seeing like Braveheart in your mind? 617 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:12,160 - Yeah, I mean I could do without, yeah. I am getting, I am getting Braveheart vibes, 618 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:19,160 but you know, not the bad extras that you could see standing off in the movie were wearing their tennis shoes. 619 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,160 - Yeah. 620 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:27,160 - All right, so what is the worst part about being a songwriter? 621 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,160 - Probably that it's really hard to do it and get paid for it, 622 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,160 because living out of it is, you know what I mean? 623 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,160 - Wait a second, I'm sorry, you want to get paid for this? 624 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,160 - Yeah, I mean it would be nice, you know. 625 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:48,160 - No, I feel like being a songwriter, it's very, very difficult to make a living out of it 626 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:54,160 and sort of be as successful as you might dream of. 627 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,160 - Yeah. - Because it's just so oversaturated, 628 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:03,160 there are so many people writing songs, so many amazing songwriters. 629 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,160 It's really hard to stand out and get your stuff noticed. 630 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,160 Like it's all about luck. 631 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:17,160 - Yeah, I mean being in the right place at the right time helps work ethic, work ethic helps. 632 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160 And you're right, there is an awful lot. 633 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:27,160 I mean, there's never been a more crowded field of amazing artists. 634 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,160 - Yeah. 635 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,160 - Right? 636 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,160 - A lot of people who will never get hurt, you know? 637 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,160 And you can't say this, but I sure as hell can. 638 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,160 And I've said it a million times, there's also a lot of people who suck at this 639 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,160 and who put up a lot of garbage into the feeds and make it harder for you 640 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:53,160 and every other aspiring artist, because there's no barrier to entry. 641 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,160 - I think. 642 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,160 - Oh, dang it, I just had an, I wanted to ask another question about. 643 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:05,160 - Oh, well, you mentioned that of course you want to be paid for this. 644 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:12,160 Well, and along comes value for value and get paid in Bitcoin. 645 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,160 So let me ask you real quick, how? 646 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,160 You've got, I got your Spotify page up here and I'm looking. 647 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,160 You got about 6,100 monthly listeners, nicely done. 648 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,160 And you're looking at, I don't know, 300,000 streams total. 649 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:36,160 And I don't know what the payoffs are down in Australia, but how much have you made? 650 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,160 - Oh, hardly, hardly any to be honest. 651 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:48,160 I think probably maybe like four or five hundred dollars. 652 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,160 Like really not a lot at all. 653 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:57,160 - Yeah, and then, you know, you're a couple of months into value for value 654 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,160 and that's a little different, isn't it? 655 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,160 - It is, it's very different. 656 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,160 - Yeah, how's it going for you? 657 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,160 What do you think? 658 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,160 - It's going so well, I'm so grateful, just like the community 659 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,160 and everybody is so lovely and so welcoming and supportive. 660 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,160 - Yeah. - Which I'm really not used to like, I think here, 661 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,160 especially in Australia, there's a lot of like tall puppies in your own. 662 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,160 People don't want to see you succeed and I feel like in this space, 663 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,160 all I really receive is like support and praise 664 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,160 and it's been really, really nice. 665 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,160 And I'm so grateful for everyone that's, um... 666 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,160 - Who are streaming sets for your songs? 667 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,160 - Yeah. 668 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,160 - I appreciate that so, so, so much. 669 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,160 - Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's like, there are... 670 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,160 It's a small crew right now, just a couple thousand, right? 671 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160 Like, I mean, especially over on the noster side. 672 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,160 But, I mean, there's a bigger following over on Fountain, 673 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,160 and in the different apps that are out there, 674 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,160 you can see that just from the downloads. 675 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,160 - Yeah. - You're good. I'm glad it's going well for you. 676 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,160 I don't know what your numbers are on, you know, in terms of how many stats you've gotten taken in, 677 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:24,160 but I can tell a little bit that's going on 678 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,160 and it seems like you're off to a pretty good start. 679 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,160 So, good. I'm glad you're finding value in it. 680 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,160 - Thank you, yeah, absolutely. 681 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,160 - The next gig you do, you know what you ought to do, 682 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,160 and I was telling this to the guys in the trusted two weeks ago, 683 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,160 who you should listen to, by the way, handsome, 684 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,160 handsome, nice young boys from London. 685 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,160 - Really, really great band, holy, carly, great band. 686 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,160 But I was telling them, hey man, next time you guys have a gig, 687 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,160 like, you know, you got your phone with you, 688 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,160 like, tell them you take tips and bitcoin and satosies. 689 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,160 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. 690 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,160 - You know, and if your sister's playing, don't share it with her. 691 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,160 - No, just kidding. - Yeah, don't worry, I would have. 692 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,160 - I'm just kidding. I'm sure she's lovely. 693 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,160 - Oh, yeah. 694 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,160 - So, I know we bounced around a little bit here, 695 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:31,160 but one of the things that I wanted to ask you about is how you analyze other vocalists. 696 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,160 - You know, when you listen to Sabrina Carpenter, 697 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,160 or you listen to Ariana, like, what are you here from them? 698 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,160 What do you pick out? 699 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,160 Do you pick out tone, diction, what? 700 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,160 What stands out? 701 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,160 - I don't know, probably more like personality in their voices. 702 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:57,160 I was already talking before about how I'm a sucker for harmonies. 703 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,160 I love love harmonies, so when I hear stacks and soons, 704 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,160 that makes me tingle. 705 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,160 I think that's why I really, I loved Ariana Grande. 706 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,160 I still do love, like, because she really, 707 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,160 she knows how to harmonize with herself and layer her vocals. 708 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,160 And I take a lot of inspiration from her when it comes to that. 709 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,160 - Yeah. - Yeah, I would say probably harmonies personality. 710 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,160 I love a good one and riff. 711 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,160 - Yeah. 712 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:39,160 Who are your biggest vocal inspirations right now? 713 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,160 - Right now. 714 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,160 I've always been one of them. 715 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,160 I really do love Sabrina Carpenter, actually. 716 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,160 Billy Eilish was a big inspiration for me a few years ago. 717 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,160 Not so much anymore, but I still love her for the inspiration. 718 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,160 She did give me back then, because like when I put "Heavy GVs" out, 719 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,160 she was all I was listening to. 720 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160 I really, really love Sizza. 721 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,160 - Oh! - She's a huge inspiration for me right now. 722 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,160 - Okay. - Okay. 723 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,160 - Like her runs, her tone, everything about her lyricism. 724 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,160 I just love her a lot. 725 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,160 - It was actually so heartbroken, because she's coming to Australia on her tour 726 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:30,160 and I waited like five hours to buy tickets and then there were 400 each. 727 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:37,160 And I was like, I just can't justify spending 400 with sterling dollars this year. 728 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,160 But one day I will see her. 729 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,160 - There you go. 730 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,160 - What about inspirations that nobody would think that you draw from? 731 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,160 Like who are some of your guilty pleasures? 732 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,160 Like if you hear Stockholm for the first time, you're like, 733 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,160 "Oh, this is a metal chick, like she's into this." 734 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,160 - This is his, right? 735 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,160 Who are some of your outside of the pop world artists that you like? 736 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,160 - I listened to a lot of rap music. 737 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,160 I really love. 738 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,160 Yeah, I know. 739 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,160 You wouldn't think so looking at me, but I probably more predominantly actually do listen to her. 740 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,160 I really do listen to rap and R&B. 741 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,160 Like Afro beats to I really love. 742 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,160 I love Don Talver. 743 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,160 His voice is just, "Oh, it makes me like melt into the floor." 744 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,160 - Why have I ever heard that name before? 745 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,160 Where's that dude from? 746 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,160 - Don Talver. 747 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,160 He's American. 748 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,160 He does R&B. 749 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:46,160 He's done songs with Sizzle before and met her boom in. 750 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,160 He has a few big songs. 751 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,160 You probably would know a couple of them if you heard them. 752 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,160 - All right. 753 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,160 - I really love Drake too. 754 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,160 Pretty basic. 755 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,160 I love Ty Dullesign. 756 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,160 I love his production as well, the way he makes his songs. 757 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,160 Kanye, Jay Cole, Frank Ocean, 21 Savage. 758 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,160 I love Kendrick Lamar. 759 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,160 - What is the attraction for? 760 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,160 And I, please don't misunderstand me. 761 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,160 I'm not bashing hip-hop and rap. 762 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:24,160 I've said many times that I obviously respect it as a genre. 763 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,160 I just don't know it well enough to really comment on it. 764 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,160 - Definitely. 765 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,160 - So what is the attraction to you with hip-hop and rap? 766 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160 - I don't know. 767 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,160 I really didn't like it back when I was like 12, 13, 14, 768 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,160 but I think a lot of it, like Tyler the creator, 769 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:52,160 I think was who got me into that style of music. 770 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,160 I loved how alternative he was and I loved his lyrics and his production. 771 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,160 I thought it was so different, the sounds he would use, his synths and everything. 772 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,160 And I just, I really loved it and I was really obsessed with it. 773 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,160 And so that made me branch out and listen to different hip-hop artists. 774 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,160 And I don't know, I think it's just like, like I was saying before, 775 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,160 like if it makes me feel something, then I'll take inspiration from it. 776 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,160 And when I listen to rap music, I feel something, 777 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,160 like even if I'm feeling like a badass and I just want to speed, 778 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,160 like, you know, in the car, it's time to feel something. 779 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,160 And I, I don't know, I just like it. 780 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,160 - Well now, did you, how old were you when you guys moved 781 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,160 from Scotland down to Australia? 782 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,160 - I was 10, I think. 783 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,160 - Okay, and were you into music when you were 10? 784 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,160 Like, did you even care? 785 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160 Were you doing something else? 786 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,160 Like, what were you? 787 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,160 Like, when did music start for you? 788 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:59,160 - I wasn't, I wasn't obsessed with music the way I am now. 789 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:05,160 I was more of like a movie geek, to be honest. 790 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,160 Music sort of started for me when I started school here. 791 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,160 All my friends were in the choir. 792 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,160 So I wanted to do that with my friends. 793 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,160 And so I auditioned and joined the choir. 794 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,160 And then, and then I think I discovered Ariana Grande 795 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,160 and I was really obsessed with the way she's saying, 796 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,160 how she was, she's saying like a devil, like she really used her voice. 797 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,160 And I wanted, I mimicked that a lot. 798 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,160 And then my best friend at the time, we were both singers. 799 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,160 Like we really enjoyed singing and our parents put us 800 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,160 into a singing competition that we didn't know about. 801 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,160 And then I ended up winning it and I won like $500, too. 802 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,160 So that was a big moment for me. 803 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,160 - And you lost your best friend because she won a ticket. 804 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,160 - And you know what funny story I actually did. 805 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,160 Yeah, she was very jealous and she did not make me. 806 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,160 She really hated me from that moment forward. 807 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,160 - Oh my god, I'm sorry to hear that. 808 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,160 - It's fine, it's fine. 809 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,160 She was the toxic manipulative person anyway. 810 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,160 I'm better off not having her as a friend. 811 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,160 - Wow, okay. 812 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,160 We'll move on to another topic. 813 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,160 - I'll try not to be such a smart ass. 814 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,160 I'm sorry about that. 815 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,160 - Wow. 816 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,160 - All right. 817 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,160 - Okay, so good, there's a good mix of influences there. 818 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,160 - Wow. 819 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,160 - All right, here's a fun question for you. 820 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:58,160 How many, you've been doing this now like hard for four or five years, right? 821 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,160 - Yeah. 822 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,160 - Okay. 823 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,160 - Yeah, started when I was 15, I'm 20 now. 824 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:10,160 - You got any crazy, crazy gig stories, bad gig stories, anything that other musicians can relate to? 825 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,160 - I mean, a pretty recent gig I just had. 826 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,160 I've been like struggling a lot. 827 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:23,160 I've been getting colds and I don't know if it's COVID or something, but my immune system just really sucks. 828 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:30,160 And so I get sick really frequently and very easily, which affects my throat, obviously. 829 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:37,160 And I had a gig and I'd been recovering from a cold for like the whole two weeks leading up to it. 830 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,160 So my voice wasn't, you know, at its best. 831 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,160 And it was a three hour gig. 832 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,160 And so I was already pushing it because my voice was tired and sore. 833 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,160 And I made it through the first two hours of it. 834 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:56,160 But then in the last like half hour of my set, my voice started to just go. 835 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,160 And then I actually could not sing. 836 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,160 My voice would not come out. 837 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:06,160 And I was on stage trying so hard, but it was really, really bad and embarrassing. 838 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,160 And I just had to be like, no, I got to finish early. 839 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,160 - Yeah. 840 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:18,160 - Which was really upsetting because it was out of venue that I'd been trying to get a gig out for a long time. 841 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,160 And it was like a pretty bad first impression. 842 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,160 But they were really lovely about it. 843 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,160 And it was only like the last 20 minutes that I could have done. 844 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,160 So could have been way. 845 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,160 - Well, that's a hard, that's a hard gig for anybody to do. 846 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,160 I mean, three hours. 847 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,160 - Yeah. 848 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,160 - Right? 849 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,160 - Yeah, it's right. 850 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,160 - Drinking. 851 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,160 - Last night, I played a four hour set in Kentucky. 852 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,160 - Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. 853 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,160 - And me and the butt, I mean, it was like, it wasn't that bad. 854 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,160 Cause I was split and lead vocals with the other guy. 855 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,160 So we would just have-- 856 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,160 - Okay. 857 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,160 - We had bounced back and forth. 858 00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,160 But still, man, after you get done with that third set, you're like, "Oh crap." 859 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,160 I got one more to go. 860 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:10,160 - Yeah, people underestimate how draining it is physically and mentally. 861 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,160 - Yeah. 862 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,160 - But, you know, parts you go to pay. 863 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,160 - All right, so what's the best gig you've had so far? 864 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,160 - Hmm. 865 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,160 I had a gig at Relay for Life. 866 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:32,160 It's a charity for cancer where people relay, like they run around the oval all day and all night. 867 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,160 And I've played at it. 868 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,160 I think four times running now, it's every year. 869 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,160 And the last time I played at it, it was really cute 870 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,160 because my cousin and her fiance from Scotland were here. 871 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,160 So they got to come watch me. 872 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,160 And I've never had any of my family from Scotland watch me play a gig or a show. 873 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,160 So that, in itself, was really, really cool. 874 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,160 - Oh, that's fun. 875 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,160 - There was a lot of kids and like young teens in the audience. 876 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:09,160 And I was doing, like, very commercial new songs that they knew. 877 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160 And they were all singing along. 878 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,160 And they were all singing "Christ Tag." 879 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,160 And I don't know if you've seen it, but there's like memes about it. 880 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,160 And so they were singing the memes at me, like Taylor Swift. 881 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,160 You know that video of the goat where it's like, yeah. 882 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,160 - Yeah, I knew you were doing it. 883 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:34,160 - Yeah, like I would hold the mic out and they'd all scream, like, "Ghosts." 884 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,160 And it was just really nice. 885 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,160 It just had that really fun vibe. 886 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,160 - When you do your gigs around town, do you get a chance to play your originals? 887 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,160 Or do you still got to do mostly covers? 888 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:53,160 - Yeah, I play mostly covers, but I try to play all my originals for as many as I can. 889 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,160 And yeah, no one seems to have a problem with it. 890 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,160 - Yeah. And are you primarily doing acoustic gigs? 891 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,160 Or how often do you pull the band out? 892 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:11,160 - I haven't actually played with the band since probably like a year ago. 893 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,160 - Oh, wow. 894 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,160 - Yeah, I pretty much only do acoustic gigs now. 895 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,160 I would really love to start doing band gigs again. 896 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:25,160 It's just like, you know the struggle of trying to get a band together and then have rehearsal times 897 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,160 that everyone can work with. 898 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:34,160 And then it's hard getting gigs for bands here. 899 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,160 That's nowhere, everywhere pretty much just wants solos or duos. 900 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,160 - Yeah, keep it down. 901 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,160 - Yeah, pretty much. 902 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,160 - Yeah, you're too loud. 903 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,160 - Yeah, no drums allowed. 904 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,160 - Oh, really? 905 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,160 Is that a thing down there? 906 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,160 Like, they really, I mean, is... 907 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,160 - Like, I heard the decibels and stuff. 908 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,160 - Oh, did they really? 909 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,160 - Yeah. 910 00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:03,160 - God, it sounds like Sarah Soda, Florida, where all the... 911 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,160 My folks are down there and I live there for a while. 912 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,160 And yeah, the clubs down there, they get yelled at all the time because people are like, 913 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,160 "It's too loud." 914 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,160 - Yeah, turn down. 915 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:25,160 - So, all right, so what is the next single that you're going to release? 916 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,160 - So, I was bouncing between two. 917 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:34,160 I have one called "Anxious" in a good way and one called "Wish You Well." 918 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,160 I think though, I'm going to be putting "Anxious Out" first. 919 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,160 - Okay. 920 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,160 - Yeah, I'm excited for it. 921 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:50,160 It's a very poppy, sort of like pop trap style. 922 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,160 - Mm. 923 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,160 - Mm-hmm. 924 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,160 - It's got like an Ariana Grande vibe, I would say. 925 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,160 - I've got a lot of harmony stacks on it. 926 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,160 It's the style of music that I've been wanting to make for a long time 927 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,160 and just haven't been able to. 928 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,160 - Yeah. 929 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,160 - Yeah, I'm really excited. 930 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,160 - And did Kyle up in Tokyo do this one? 931 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,160 - Mm-hmm. 932 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,160 - Yeah. 933 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,160 - All right, on. 934 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,160 Okay. 935 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,160 Well, Abby, thank you very much for coming on and chatting. 936 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,160 We've been... 937 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,160 - Mm-hmm. 938 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,160 - We've almost... 939 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,160 We've almost hit about an hour here. 940 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,160 - Cheesh! 941 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,160 Doesn't feel like an hour. 942 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,160 - Well, yeah. 943 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,160 - I'm flying. 944 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,160 - That's right. 945 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,160 - Hey, and when do I get a chance to play piano for you again? 946 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,160 - Mm, are you going to come to Canes anytime soon? 947 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,160 - Dude, send the jet. 948 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,160 Send... 949 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,160 - I said jet. 950 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,160 - Car, right? 951 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,160 - Send the jet. 952 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,160 - I can send it tonight. 953 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,160 Are you fine for a red eye? 954 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,160 - Yeah, sure. 955 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,160 It's fine. 956 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,160 Four years on the road. 957 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,160 Four years on the road, man, I can still sleep anywhere. 958 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,160 - It's different. 959 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,160 - It's different. 960 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,160 - Oh, good. 961 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,160 - Yeah. 962 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,160 - Thank you very much for coming on the show. 963 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,160 Stick around. 964 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,160 We'll talk a little bit after this, but... 965 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,160 - Yes. 966 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,160 - This is episode 19 of the Phantom Power Artist Hour, 967 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,160 and you have been listening to a fun-filled interview with Abby Mewer, 968 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,160 and here is Blueprint. 969 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,160 - Blueprint. 970 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,160 [Music] 971 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,160 [Music] 972 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,160 [Music] 973 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,160 [Music] 974 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,160 [Music] 975 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,160 [Music] 976 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,160 [Music] 977 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,160 [Music] 978 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,160 [Music] 979 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,160 [Music] 980 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,160 [Music] 981 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,160 [Music] 982 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,160 [Music] 983 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,160 [Music] 984 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,160 [Music] 985 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,160 [Music] 986 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,160 [Music] 987 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,160 [Music] 988 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,160 [Music] 989 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,160 [Music] 990 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,160 [Music] 991 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,160 [Music] 992 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,160 [Music] 993 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,160 [Music] 994 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,160 [Music] 995 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,160 [Music] 996 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,160 [Music] 997 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,160 [Music] 998 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,160 [Music] 999 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,160 [Music] 1000 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,160 [Music] 1001 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,160 [Music] 1002 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,160 [Music] 1003 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,160 [Music] 1004 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,160 [Music] 1005 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,160 [Music] 1006 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,160 [Music] 1007 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,160 [Music] 1008 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,160 [Music] 1009 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,160 [Music] 1010 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,160 [Music] 1011 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,160 [Music] 1012 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,160 [Music] 1013 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,160 [Music] 1014 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,160 [Music] 1015 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,160 [Music] 1016 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,160 [Music] 1017 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,160 [Music] 1018 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,160 [Music] 1019 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,160 [Music] 1020 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,160 [Music] 1021 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,160 [Music] 1022 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,160 [Music] 1023 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,160 [Music] 1024 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,160 [Music] 1025 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,160 [Music] 1026 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,160 [Music] 1027 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,160 [Music] 1028 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,160 [Music] 1029 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,160 [Music] 1030 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,160 [Music] 1031 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,160 [Music] 1032 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,160 [Music] 1033 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,160 [Music] 1034 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,160 [Music] 1035 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,160 [Music] 1036 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,160 [Music] 1037 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,160 [Music] 1038 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,160 [Music] 1039 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,160 [Music] 1040 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,160 [Music] 1041 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,160 [Music] 1042 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,160 [Music] 1043 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,160 [Music] 1044 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,160 [Music] 1045 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,160 [Music] 1046 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,160 [Music] 1047 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,160 [Music] 1048 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,160 [Music] 1049 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,160 [Music] 1050 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,160 [Music] 1051 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:09,160 [MUSIC]