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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour.

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I'm splitting this show with TJ Wong today.

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Timothy James is a hell of a guitar player,

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great young kid from Portland.

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Great music out there in the value verse.

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I know you guys have been digging it,

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and we're gonna drop a new song in the value verse today.

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And that song is called Apple Pie.

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So let's play that song,

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and then we'll bring him on for the interview.

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You ready?

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You got your wallet stacked up?

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You're gonna tell your friends and family about this show?

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Will you wake the kids from the neighbors

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as David Letterman used to say?

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Excellent.

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All right, here we go.

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Here's TJ Wong with Apple Pie on the Phantom Power Artist Hour,

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This apple pie on the phantom power artist power and on the phone on the line on the

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horn with me from PDX.

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Otherwise known as Portland, Mr. Timothy James, TJ Wong, what's up buddy?

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How are you?

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Hey, I'm doing great.

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It's beautiful here and it's a it's a good day.

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It's beautiful that yeah, don't even remind me of how much I missed the PNW right now, man.

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I like are the berries starting to pop out of the bushes yet?

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They're getting there and it's just the yesterday was rainy and nasty and today is kind

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of overcast but it's better than rainy and nasty so.

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You got a good view of Mount Hood there from the farm or the complex or where the hell

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it is you are over there?

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I do not but I know where to drive to get it so.

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Well, where are I mean I've always known that you're from Portland but like where specifically

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I'm just south of Portland by about half an hour and it's this little town called Malino

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and it's kind of in the middle of nowhere which I like but being in the middle of nowhere

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is also halfway between Portland and Salem and so I'm going to get spot I'm right between

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everything so.

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How far are you way from Maryland Hurston?

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Probably only like 20 minutes right?

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A little longer.

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Well, I'm thrilled that you're in the value verse and I'm glad we get a chance to catch

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up.

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Me too.

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I've been pulling in as many of my buddies as I can into this world and you certainly

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fall into that classification and every single week.

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Where did we first meet?

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We first crossed paths at like NAMM in 2019 right?

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Yeah I think somehow I think Ainsley maybe started falling me first or I started falling

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in her first on Instagram and then I knew her face and I saw her and NAMM I said are you

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Ainsley Costello?

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And she goes I just remember her thinking like later we talked about it.

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Someone recognized me and so we got a picture together and I still have that picture and

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I think she was 14 or 15 or 15 or 15 at the time.

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Yeah and I remember that because that was like her first name and I'm like you got to be

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kidding me like you're getting spoiled here kid.

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People are recognizing you right away.

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And then that man and then we've been friends ever since and we saw a couple times at the

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NAMM show we've seen each other and then obviously you guys one time you were coming down

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through Portland from Seattle and he stopped at the show I saw you there.

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You know when we came to Nashville we obviously saw you quite a bit.

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Yeah and what was the song?

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What was the song that you and Ainsley co-wrote?

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Great unknown.

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The great unknown yeah.

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Yeah and she hasn't put that one up in the value verse yet.

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Yeah well it's good to catch up because I mean you and I have had a bunch of conversations

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but there really is a boatload of stuff about your background and your musicology that I

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have no idea about.

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I know you've got two records out you put out love and chaos in 2017 and then little intervals

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in 2021 let's just call that your code.

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Yeah that's right.

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But before we get into that stuff like what's the backstory?

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When did you start playing how did you find a guitar in your lap?

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So my dad always played guitar when I was a kid so it was always around the house and I

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remember I'm specifically before I even started playing I would like drag his expensive

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guitars out and like show his friends which are there I don't know why they already knew

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he had those guitars.

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But eventually you know I was about nine years old and I said dad I want to play a song

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this year with you and we do this little family festival every year and so he said okay

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well started showing me chords we started playing and he likes to say he taught me everything

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in ten minutes I think you took longer than that but basically it just turned into this monster

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and it's uncontrollable and I can't put it down right.

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But after that I started going to the blues jams and so that's where I really got my I don't

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know my start is the blues jams ever since I was 14 or 15 go hang out in the bar all night

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you know all afternoon good and got you know really embedded in this thing and yeah hang

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it out in bars as a teenager it's as a musician it is something I thoroughly approve of it's

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like it's like it's like a ride of passage right.

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Yeah come on generations have done it you know they turned out fine well we're like you I'm

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at an early age what yet you're in your you're in your early 20s right now yeah right

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you I mean dude at like 15 16 like you just had an uncanny touch like where the hell did it

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where did it come from oh I don't know you know I mean like there is part of me that's like

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that's a gift from God but there's another part of me like you can't you can't say it's all

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just a gift because that means I wouldn't have to put in the work in you know I am totally

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yeah hours and tens and thousands of hours of work in so I don't know it's somewhere in between

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it's hard to pinpoint and and there are some people who are more apt to it to pick it up and more

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you know find motor skills maybe but it lies somewhere in between a gift and and

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something I worked hard for.

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Well who who are your biggest influences when you first started writing like when you put together

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the nine songs for love and chaos like who were you leaning on um let's see I was like 15 then I

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I've always been a huge David Gilmore fan and so Pink Floyd has been one of my biggest influences

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of ever yeah yeah and around that time that was that was probably it so well I'm pleasantly surprised

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to hear that um you know I mean you because you definitely like if I listen to songs like

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Alice in Wonderland or Zatayou or Cold Face Kids like you you've got a storyteller vibe you got

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a little bit of an R&B thing going on and I think just because of the day and age that we're in people

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would go oh look it's he's kind of like John Mayer right right right so it's it's refreshing

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that you're diving into the dark side of the moon as it were well and so one thing I

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will say is when I was in eighth grade so I must have been you know 13-ish 14 um I went through and at

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the time I like you know I was in that phase of being a middle schooler and I hated pop music I was

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like oh only old oldies are all for me you know what I mean yeah yeah so um I went through my parents

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CD and cassette collection I took all the things I thought I might like and that ended up being

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Pink Floyd counting crows and all that genre I like Dave Matthews a lot you know and then

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that's where I discovered John Mayer and then after that I was just obsessed with John Mayer and

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still him to this day but yeah he's pretty astounding well it's interesting you bring up counting

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crows too because like who's the big guitar player with them what's that guy's name Zimmer Clark?

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I think so yes they've gone through so many yeah but I mean the guy that's been I think he's been

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with them the longest but he's like such a raw Americana player now grand at that dude you know I mean he'll

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pick up the mandolin and yeah yeah else you know does everything but I don't hear it's always

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fascinating to me when we talk about influences with musicians and you like and you say counting

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crows I'm like dude I don't hear counting crows and your stuff at all yeah and I think that that's

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a good thing and I don't necessarily even hear David Gilmore because he is you know when I think of

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like the second solo uncomfortably numb or the spatial tones that darks out of the moon like I

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mean he's he's otherworldly and it's it's it's it's it's fascinating and refreshing to hear that

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that's an influence for you so any did you ever get into metal any any of the heavier stuff at all

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was that your thing you know I think the heaviest thing for me I mean later like you know four or

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five years ago I got got in a switch foot I like switch for a lot but before that I think the

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heaviest thing was probably Steve Vi and I've never you know I'm not the one I'm a fan I haven't

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learned a bunch of his tunes or anything but I've learned a few licks and obviously buckethead I'm

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fascinated by bucket oh my god that dude is a virtue woe so yeah and it's like holy cow the whole

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persona he's crafted is is amazing it's genius how many yeah he's got I yeah the persona

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and hundreds of songs and everybody wants a monos record and he disappears for a while and his

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fingers are like this long I mean it's like yeah Steve Vi is is is a fascinating human as well I mean to go

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from like Zappa and white snake oh my gosh yeah you know I think like I was just as funny you mentioned

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Steve Vi because I was actually like late one night last week I was watching white snake from like

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92 in Donington and it's like oh my god that band is so good yeah it's scary and it but at the same

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time the whole Zappa thing makes total sense you know I mean you think about it it's like okay so that's

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like that's you know he's almost like he's almost like a mini Zappa besides do diesel you know I mean

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if do you know it wasn't there Steve would be his total you know for the Jay yeah good point I

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actually you know what you know it's funny is that when when my wife and I lived in studio city

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there's a golf course it was like at a driving range and it's like it was like two blocks from our house

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and unfortunately that golf course I learned earlier this year is finally being sold and turned into

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like condos or whatever but I mentioned that because I saw doeasles apple doeasles

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Zappa there one day it driving balls and he was very nice he was very kind he was a good guy good

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that's that's refreshing unlike other celebrities I saw when I lived in Los Angeles who were complete

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assholes yep well how did you go from you know doing singer songwriter R&B with the first two records to

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I mean yet you kind of alluded to it with respect to you know playing the blues clubs but now like

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it seems like you've really found a vibe you've found a genre here with blues what's what's the journey

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you know it was interesting back in 2017 and 2018 I went to the international blues challenge in Memphis

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Tennessee and it's basically this big culmination of acts from all over the world literally all

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over the world like you know you meet people from Egypt and from France and from wherever I think

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South Korea you know and they go and play and it's basically you know it's a competition

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I went as a youth the first two times I didn't compete you just go and mingle meet people

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and that really set something off you know again I was I was involved in the blues world and uh

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and then later on it was kind of like you know what I love doing this but it was hard to separate

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the whole Timothy James thing the pop world from the blues stuff so we'd play a gig and it was like

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what do they expect us to play blues or pop or what do they want because I do both and I was known for both

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and so it got to a point where it was kind of like you know what there needs to be some sort of

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separation and so we know within the last couple of years it's been like okay TJ Wong

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let's make that the blues thing and it's almost like I try to have fun with it it's almost like a

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alter ego kind of thing you know what I mean like like you know I step on stage I just I flip the switch

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and it's like I am TJ Wong I'm cool you know what I mean yeah and well you got a great look for it too

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dude thank you yeah and so that you know but Timothy James is just the more laid back singer songwriter

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thing and and uh yeah that's kind of it's kind of I needed that separation in my in my projects

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that makes sense to kind of have an alter ego for lack of a better term to have you know to be able to

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channel because once you start writing you can and you really start honing in on your craft you

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you you can and you should focus on multiple genres so I think that's pretty smart on your

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on your point you know thank you to be able to do that yeah who knows maybe you can even start

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doing EDM and go by like DJ or like dance top 40 dance music well when you when you think about the blues

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like who who are some of the guys on the blues side that you that you really dive into whose tone

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are you just in love with I think okay here's another story so when I was in

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oh wow as a freshman in high school my home room teacher he found out I played blues and he's like

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oh you like the blues and jazz stuff I'm like yeah yeah and he's like okay well here I got something for you

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and he made this I I guess it's you recall the mixtape I mean nobody does this anymore obviously

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but it was on CD it was on the CD right and it was all these Johnny Lang tunes

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and uh and I never heard Johnny Lang before and man that got me I that CD played my car forever

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and so Johnny Lang has always been one of my big big influences um

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refreshing nice yeah I mean obviously um later on you know or probably on the same time John

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Mayor Trio was big for me which is just like and I got to see them live in concert um which just

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blows my mind yeah who who was it Pino it was Pino and Steve Jordan and it's nuts you know and

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because those guys you know I mean we don't often think about it but those guys were everywhere

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back when they were in the 80s and 90s when they were top session players um I have this David Gilmore

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record that my buddy gave me and I'm like looking I love I love reading liner notes that's one of my

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favorite things to do so I got to see like oh who who played this who master this who makes this

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and sure enough I'm reading this David Gilmore record and it's like bass Pino Paladino right

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and drums Jeff Piccaro I'm like oh that makes sense that makes total sense is that I mean so um

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yeah yeah and and so so anyways you know in spot inspiration wise yeah it's been like John

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Eling John Mayor Trio and it's just kind of I'm like I kind of like to lean into that like

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guitar player frenzy yeah and I mean do you find yourself listening to Albert King or yeah Robert

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Johnson are really going going that far back yeah everyone so I'll go you know take a deep dive

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and listen to the oldies and stuff and and I really love that stuff and there's something to be said

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about the rawness of of that music and and I was watching this Rick Viyato video yesterday and you

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saying how our ears especially you know the younger generation art of audio engineers our ears are so

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accustomed to hearing things perfectly timeline and tune yeah it's hard for me when I work on a record

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I have to like slap myself out of it you know it's like okay I'm going to go to school and like this is

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like a you know I'm working on a blues record right now but I'm mixing um and like okay you know what

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I'm gonna make it so it's natural and fix the mistakes right we always fix the mistakes but you

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leave the little things in um and sometimes we forget about that especially again it going back

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to the younger generation I was listening to um gosh I think it was Abbey Road I was driving

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somewhere just put the whole record on it was like man oh there's a mistake oh there's a mistake

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but you know what it was like that's part of the music so absolutely absolutely you know who I

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think is one of the best examples of that is the band yeah like if you listen to their stuff like

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you can or even the police in some regard like you can like if you really listen closely to some

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of the early police stuff like you can hear Stuart dropping sticks and you know you know all the

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you know and and guitar noise and but the Beatles of course you know any of that early stuff

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with that is not perfect like it's beautiful it is and I think it's a um I feel very fortunate that

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I that when I first started recording everything I did was to tape so I really learned the hard way

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and I used to get scared to the the Jesus of recording and something happens to you when um when

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you start recording to digital and you're like whatever good enough you know but you still need to have

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yeah exactly but you still need to have that hunger um of uh or you know you you

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you guys need to have that experience of recording to tape right yeah well tell me about your

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your day job because you're like a uh you're like a full-time audio engineer right yeah so so you

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know I bounce between a lot of stuff and I'm kind of in that phase of life where you know I I work at

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I give you I'll give you the list um I work at the local community college and I run the studio

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and I also tech for the studio which is something I really enjoy um and then I you know I work at a

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church I lead worship on Sundays and then I give guitar lessons and I gig and then I do mixing and

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producing and and all that stuff um so I'm at the spot I tell the students of the college they they ask

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like how do I do music full-time how do I how do I do this I just tell them you know when you first

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get started you're gonna have to do everything if you want to if you want to make it work you you

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do everything but I'm at that point where I'm solely um chipping away and kind of saying you know what

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I love lessons but I'm phasing out my students I'm gonna spend more time doing the audio thing and it

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takes time to to build up clients and to to um to get to a point where you can do that but I'm really

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happy I'm almost there um but yeah that's like my other love you know and I think it really happened

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during COVID because up till COVID I was gigging full-time and I had just graduated high school or

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was about to in 2020 right and I said you know I'm gonna hit the road full-time and then COVID happened

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it was like well what now you know I mean yeah I mean it was the same place we all were in and it was

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like well like what now you know and so I learned audio engineering and I built a nice home studio

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with my unemployment money and uh and I remember I remember I'm not the only one

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no no I remember I looked one day and it was like said how much they had sent me I was like

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that can't be right there's there's no way um anyway maybe you're drowning you're like oh yeah

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there's that mic and that's a band and that processor and exactly um and so anyway so I do a million

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things but I love engineering and after COVID it was kind of like you know what I think I found

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that my new love you know what I mean and it was so refreshing for me because I had been playing

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music I mean I had been gigging since the time I was 12 and so being at this point I was you know

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1918 19 I was kind of like man after COVID it was almost like it was a total mess with my mind

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it was like I don't know if I like this anymore like I just like I like mixing and stuff I don't

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know if I want to go on the road anymore um but I do I do I came I came back to it but I also love

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love producing and mixing and and that's got a big place in my heart just because it's just it's

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its own craft you know what I mean and yeah I just I mean I love it I'm producing this record right

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now that I'm just like I'm so I feel like it's almost one of my records not that I'm like

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controlling producer or anything but I I've worked with these guys so close and I'm like man this is

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like oh masterpiece not a master because but you know what I mean I'm exaggerating your course

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well you're getting your heart you're heart and your soul into it that's right um

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and is this all digital or are you doing any of it to tape I'm not doing any of it to tape just

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because tape is so expensive um yeah and you know what I I haven't had anyone to teach me how to

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work on tape yet oh really so yeah have you ever tracked to tape I have not wow yeah I know right

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and what I want to eventually but you know I'm building experience yeah yeah yeah it's funny

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all the studios around town that I work at they're all getting rid of their tape machines

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yeah which is you know I think everybody is unfortunately you know I think you're really

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only going to be left with a handful of cities that will still have it you know and it'll be for

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those special occasions where like the purists come in right and they're like I can afford the extra

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$100 an hour or whatever it is to take it and to run it yeah yeah it's sad um I would love um

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I want to ask you about leading worship bands too but let me let me let let me side step over here

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onto the tape thing um because I think that it it just breaks my heart because it's a dying art

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and I agree with you whole heartedly when you listen to those old songs how they breathe

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against the click how they move a little bit against the click if there's a click if there's a click

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if there's if there was a click absolutely great point um because nowadays you don't have to have a

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perfect set of musicians everything can be snapped to the grid yeah um and I've got a

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boatload of stories of big bands from LA and San Diego in the 90s when I was in LA who could not

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play a lick and everything got fixed in the studio Blink 182 yeah yeah but now they're you know now

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they're different now they're you know now they've got their 10,000 hours and they could do it

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but I was thinking I had a conversation with a with another songwriter who you know

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lives upstairs yeah um and we were talking about um Taylor Swift's latest record and I like I listened

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to one song and I was bored out of my freaking mind yeah yeah and I say all of that because like I would

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love to and my wife listened to the whole thing we had a meeting in Nashville yesterday she listened

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to one side coming down to the other side come back she's like it's she's like self indulgent garbage

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yeah all the same tack and all the same chord changes and everything but and I said you know if I

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were Taylor Swift's manager somebody I would pull her aside and say all right smarty pants

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you're a good songwriter you you really want to do something different your next record is going to

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be completely live it's going to be completely to tape you're not allowed to use any keyboards

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you're not allowed to use anything digital and if you want strings you're gonna hire an orchestra

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yeah and like get in there with an R&B band and and show everybody what you're made of because it is a

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I mean that would be that I'd gotten by that record I'd be like all right what the L Taylor do yeah but

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I think it's such I say all of that because you know technology is fantastic it's been great it makes

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it easy you and I can have this conversation and we can jam over the but at the same time it does

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diminish the technical skill required to be a hell of a great musician right right you know

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and it's this interesting thing no that was a rant more than a question but you know what I mean

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that was that was good that reminds me Rick Biotto he says old man yells at clouds

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well that's that's a line from the Simpsons yes oh yeah which is yeah that's right yeah

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but yeah it's interesting you know because it's in in some ways it's great anyone can make music

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in some ways it's terrible because the market is totally oversaturated and and I know we've

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had this conversation before about the record companies about how they're putting themselves out of

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business because it used to be you got hired by or you got signed with a record label and they would

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promote you and they make you into a star and now they expect you to be the star already well

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then what's the point of getting a record contract if if they're not going to do any of the legwork

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you've already done it yourself it's the age of the indie musician you know yeah why would you

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yeah I mean we're shifting from that monoculture of major bands you know into you guys being

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completely independent being and not really even needing them you know yeah and we'll talk about

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Bitcoin and value for value and all that I mean that certainly helps too but yeah I mean you're

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getting away from it's a good thing you're getting away from the monoculture of it all but you

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also have a bunch of knuckleheads who are who you know any moron can upload a song right yeah

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yeah and sometimes it's really bad and sometimes it turns into a hit anyway you know most of the time

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it's really unfortunately it's bad right I mean the the the production quality is not good the songwriting

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quality is not good or the performance is not good and it just and I feel for you guys because it

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gets in the way but you guys also have more opportunities than you've ever had before right yes um

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but let me ask you about leading worship bands and how as a band leader like how you

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approach it um vert like what what what your mindset when you go in and you're leading the worship

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band versus what your mindset when you go in and you're like all right TJ Wong and we're

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turning up the stage right you guys do I would say so TJ Wong wise right it's a show it's a total show

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and it's it's I mean it's purely I wouldn't say I would say I guess it's purely entertained right

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like they they come they they they pay to see a show it's not just someone some dude's playing music right

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whereas with worship it's a lot different because you're trying to lead the congregation into

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worship with you and so it's more of a communal thing I guess um and you know what it's kind of like

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um I mean from everything between song choice and arrangement you want it to be the least

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distracting as possible um because you want it almost in a way it's going to sound terrible and some

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people are going to hate this you want it to almost be in a way where the congregation is singing

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along to a track like they don't even know you're there right you are right and and people appreciate

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the fact that our church has a live band because some don't um but you almost want to be transparent

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in the sense that you're just playing and you're just singing along with the congregation or they're

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singing along with you um so so that's I would say that's a difference you know and bandwise

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that affects arrangement too right like I'm not going to take a crazy crazy guitar solo in the middle

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of this slow song because where is regularly I would like slow songs best place for guitar solo

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treading for Jesus wow yeah and you know what you know what sometimes it's okay but a lot of the

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times it's like you know what I'm just here to serve a purpose and I'm just gonna I'm gonna be

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transparent I'm gonna play and I just want them to be able to have a time of contemplation and

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and uh meditation and that kind of thing so yeah here's a hot take on it and let me know what you

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think about it like I think that you know when you when you have a band a band for church and I

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played in in in my church band for years too so 9 a.m. mass for the Catholics with a rock band

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yeah fantastic yeah yeah um but it can it can be misleading because you're there to and I think

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you articulated this but like you're there to sort of the congregation you're not there to

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show off it's not a place for um uh averis I guess you would say it's not a place for showmanship yeah

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but I think it can also give a false sense of security too because you get like it's okay to have

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really average musicians if not really quite frankly some par musicians in that band because it's

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not about the quality of the music it's about the message it's about the congregation right um but

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I think that it can be a double edged sword because um as as you just mentioned it like when you're

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playing in those bands you want the congregation to sing along with you you want everything to be

435
00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:57,140
smooth and it and it really flattens out the dynamics of the band so I anybody who has ever

436
00:36:57,140 --> 00:37:03,220
played in a church band or I should say people who majority of their experience has been in the

437
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:09,700
church band yeah my experience in playing with them especially if they're young is they don't have a

438
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:15,860
solid sense of dynamics because they've been washed down by the congregation yeah that's

439
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:24,580
and that's the the way it should be right but there's also a false sense of entitlement that can

440
00:37:24,580 --> 00:37:28,740
come from it because they think that just because they were playing in this congregation band and

441
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:34,260
they were getting this great feedback from the congregation that that they're good enough to play in

442
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:39,060
in a professional setting and unfortunately those are two different things they completely are yeah

443
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:45,460
yeah so and I've had that conversation with a bunch of guys here um and sometimes it comes across

444
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:50,500
the wrong way they're like what do you slam and no I'm not slamming religions I'm not slamming

445
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:55,220
Christians I'm not standing but I'm like just look at it from like if if you're hiring like if I'm

446
00:37:55,220 --> 00:38:00,580
hiring people for a band and I've had to do this and they tell me hey I've been you know I'm primarily

447
00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:04,980
a worship player I'm like okay I'm willing to listen but you know no I'm times out of 10

448
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:10,020
well I'm gonna have to box you in the years a little bit to get your you know yeah I think it I think

449
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:16,820
am I an asshole for saying that no I think it I think in a lot of situations you're right I'm fortunate

450
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:22,740
enough you know again I didn't come from the from the worship background I came from blues and

451
00:38:22,740 --> 00:38:29,620
rocked first and so I'm also really tight with my worship team and most of them in fact are my

452
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:37,300
fiancee's family and so I'm able to I'm able to get what I want but um I want you guys practice in

453
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:42,900
six hours every night and and they live up the streets I can make sure they're practicing no um

454
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:48,740
there you go but you know it's it's one of those things I totally get your sand I think it depends

455
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:54,260
on the team you know I'm fortunate in the spot where my my players are to the point where I can say hey

456
00:38:54,260 --> 00:39:01,220
you know I mean I've worked with my drum over time use my future brother-in-law I'm like hey man

457
00:39:01,220 --> 00:39:07,620
don't be afraid to really like dig into the drums and he's like really and I'm like yeah like like

458
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:12,980
like the shoulder of the stick and that ride symbol just like make it a crash symbol he's like

459
00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:18,420
all right man and sure enough like he's like you know banging away those are the good days is when

460
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:25,140
we're playing and I'm like man like Kenan this is named Kenan I'm like man I really love the way you

461
00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:29,780
hit this drums today is like oh thanks you know and he's just like digging into him because again

462
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:36,660
you know I think dynamics is even a church setting dynamics to me they they bring a lot of emotion

463
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:43,220
into the music and so I can see where you want it to be like you know like the pastor's praying let's not

464
00:39:44,020 --> 00:39:50,820
let's not do that now but for the most part you know we're yeah yeah we got dynamics that's good but

465
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:56,500
I see I totally agree with what you're saying a lot of times I always enjoy having that conversation

466
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:01,460
with people because quite frankly what a lot of people don't know is that when you know leading a

467
00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:05,940
church band or even being a hired musician for a church band is a nice way to make some

468
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:12,980
side-income yeah no and not that I have any any experience in this but I always hear you know

469
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:18,420
guys moving Nashville they start playing in church and that's how you meet people too yeah so yeah

470
00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:26,180
and churches like they tend to have really nice gear they do yes they do yeah it's funny I was

471
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:32,580
it's actually doing some research on on gear for for a project I'm working on here in town

472
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:37,540
and I was studying up on the barren's your x32 right did you know did you know that there's a

473
00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:43,300
million units of those that have sold can you believe that you know what my church has one so yeah

474
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:47,700
I can't believe that I know like that's the first thing I thought of I'm like where the hell like

475
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:53,620
there's not a million clubs ah churches right yeah of course but you know what I will also say having

476
00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:59,540
extensively worked on those boards is there is something about the layout that just makes way

477
00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:06,580
more sense than any other digital board yeah I dig him a lot you know and I haven't worked on

478
00:41:06,580 --> 00:41:11,380
digi-coes or like the you know hundred thousand boards but like the meat and everything like that

479
00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:16,820
compared all the Allen heath stuff I just feel like the next 32 is more intuitive

480
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:23,220
and it makes more sense to do things on everything is it's almost like it's made for idiots you know

481
00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:28,580
I mean I'm really sorry it's anyone who uses the next 30 days that's full endorsement because I'm

482
00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:33,220
telling you like right now like I am needy been research right like I've got a sound I don't know

483
00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:38,500
if you can see it but I've got a sound craft that I use and I love sound craft I've always loved

484
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:45,380
them as a desk and but now like for the past couple like for the past couple of weeks I'm like damn it

485
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:53,620
I should bought a 30 an X 32 five years ago and and I and I didn't because like at the time like

486
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:58,900
the people that I would that were advising me they were like we don't like the preamps blah blah blah blah

487
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:06,340
and now I'm like whatever I mean yeah like the thing is it's the technology even as to the point where it's

488
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:12,420
like are you really gonna know the difference you know if you're if you're sitting back in front

489
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:16,020
of house guys mixing you're not gonna sit there and go you know what and I wish she was on

490
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:20,820
this preamp or this board you know you're just gonna say wow it sounds really good

491
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:26,260
and if you don't like the X 32 there's the M32 which is genius of them to have the same architecture

492
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:33,780
with better preamps and stuff so yeah there's really I mean in a congregation of 5,000 people

493
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:40,580
there's like one dude who's gonna go well you know it's it's not 96k and I don't like the fact that

494
00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:47,620
they're using SM 57 yeah why aren't they using sin hyzer you know whatever shut that one

495
00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:56,900
there's always one goober in the crowd there is well hey let let's let's stay on the gear talk and

496
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:05,860
get geeky like yeah what's your main guitar what's your main man your main amp in the in the blues world

497
00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:13,540
right so right now obviously I'm endorsed by Tijima guitars and they have they have some really cool

498
00:43:13,540 --> 00:43:20,340
guitars yeah they do my favorite I think I jumped between between the t920 which is like a telecaster

499
00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:27,060
thin line telecaster kind of thing I jumped between that and the jet blues which is their own design

500
00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:33,860
it's a semi hollow with humbuckers good so so I was hoping you I was hoping you'd tell me you were

501
00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:39,220
playing a semi hollow or a hollow yes so they're both they're both semi hollow those are really great

502
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:50,100
my buddy just gave me a less Paul junior special so it's the two pickup junior and I've been really

503
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:55,860
loving that and and that's kind of got me hooked it's just something about I've never been a P90

504
00:43:55,860 --> 00:44:05,860
guy but just for the blues they're just raw and just face melting I guess and so that what but

505
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:11,940
but two but two pickups in that less Paul junior yes two pickups and that's it it's a fairly new one

506
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:19,300
it's a less there's a 2020 which generally I don't equate new guitars of being guitars I really like

507
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:27,140
but this one was one of the good ones you know so that but that has led me to my uncle who has a

508
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:32,740
huge guitar collection down in LA I was over there checking out some of his guitars and he offered

509
00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:40,580
to sell me 63 melody maker with the P90 in the bridge and so that's next on my my get list

510
00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:47,300
and I was just hooked I just started playing that thing I was like man this is so fun yeah I mean

511
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:55,060
one pickup double cut I mean it's just like man it's the rock and roll machine you better

512
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:59,940
put some sunglasses on for that one dude because that thing is so bright I'm telling you I toured

513
00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:06,020
with one for two years that was my that was my main guitar yeah and I kept the tone at like three

514
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:12,100
yeah the whole time because it was so damn bright yeah and I loved I loved it it broke my heart but

515
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:17,220
broke my heart when I had to sell it but you know businesses collapse and you get more

516
00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:24,100
more edges are more important than guitars got another not I know right you know but you know

517
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,500
well you're in get you said it you're engaged yeah you're on a path towards home ownership

518
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,820
and having kids and you know you're probably gonna have to you know one of those beautiful

519
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:38,660
guitars behind you will have to be sold one day yep it happens it's a ride of passage yeah

520
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:50,020
but but pedal wise let's move on to pedals so I absolutely love I mean I love a lot of pedals

521
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:56,420
but I absolutely love the original Marshall blues breaker I've had that on my board for five or

522
00:45:56,420 --> 00:46:03,700
six years nice yeah and obviously you know I was really fortunate I got one of those

523
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:10,660
probably back in 2019 I got it for a hundred eighty bucks and and they were they were already

524
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:16,340
two fifty three hundred then but this guy was like this guy was like well it's missing he was

525
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:23,780
late on a mortgage payment probably yeah he probably was and so I remember I just sat down I plugged

526
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:29,380
he had this strat I plugged the strat into a a fuchs amp I think that's how you say it it might be

527
00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:37,060
fuck said I don't know but I played and I was just like oh yeah that's that's the sound yeah I mean

528
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:43,220
they I again I love John Merrill is like that's the that's the sound and so bought it for a hundred

529
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:49,380
eighty bucks and and we'll we'll get to other gear this has happened with that bought but

530
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:55,780
that was already a good deal and now they've re-issued the the blues breaker and now the original

531
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:59,780
prices have shot up even more I don't I haven't checked lately probably around five hundred bucks

532
00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:06,420
and I'm just like I'm like it's gonna be time to retire this eventually you know I mean because it

533
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:10,980
because it now it's no longer I mean it is a piece of gear I use all the time but it's also an

534
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:16,420
investment piece which you wouldn't save it a little bit yeah yeah and they're cheap they're cheap

535
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:21,780
they made if every used one the the knobs are like loose on it and it's like it's like cardboard

536
00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:27,300
on the inside I don't know the pots all the time and yeah and sometimes it's like oh it's not

537
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:33,460
working and you like jiggle the pot and it starts working again like vibrational maintenance yeah exactly

538
00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:41,940
yeah so I love that pedal the other pedal I've really dug into you know the guitars Toby Lee

539
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:48,420
from England so he came over a couple years ago and we played the waterfront blues festival together

540
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:54,020
and I threw a pedal board pedal board together for him and it had one of the original full tone full

541
00:47:54,020 --> 00:48:00,260
drive twos and it's got this really interesting feature it's kind of like tube screamerish but you

542
00:48:00,260 --> 00:48:08,500
pull the pot out and it cuts all the compression so it's like it's I can't describe it without you know

543
00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:13,060
I guess you'd have to hear it to know it but it's basically like

544
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:19,780
I'm trying to describe it I can't it's almost like a tube screamer but you take out all the

545
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:26,100
distortion and it's just pushing into itself I guess and so that's really cool what what does it do to

546
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:33,940
the EQ it makes it really neutral and in a way it's almost blues breaker ask but it's the most

547
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:39,780
transparent you'll get right and so you pull that out and you push the gain up all the way and it's

548
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:44,020
kind of just barely breaking up like it's almost I would still call it a clean tone you know I mean

549
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:49,860
but then it's got this boost circuit so then you boost it with the boost circuit and then it turns

550
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:58,340
into this beautiful like a blues breaker but on steroids um oh okay so much more clarity and

551
00:48:59,060 --> 00:49:05,940
it's just got this beautiful thing to it anyway that's been on my list because because Toby Lee I

552
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:10,340
said of this pedalboard and I had one and I here you go and I started messing with it and man

553
00:49:10,340 --> 00:49:13,860
he had this less paul and he would just like push everything on the

554
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:19,300
you know what I mean and just magical tone would come out through a twin reaver of all things through

555
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:25,460
twin reaver and I'm like and he's so loud but it sounded so good and so I started using that again

556
00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:29,860
after him because I just realized I was on the verge of selling and like you know I'm going to keep

557
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:38,180
this like this is a really valuable tool and then sorry tangent and then a while ago again I was at

558
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:43,700
this shopping Portland and they had a TS 10 which is the John Meritoo screamer yeah and I haven't

559
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:49,300
used this for a few years but it was on my board for at least three or four years back probably 2019

560
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:57,300
through 2022 or 21 I don't know um but I was in the shopping Portland they had one for 150 bucks

561
00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:02,740
and at the time again they were already up to three hundred dollars and so I asked the guy said

562
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:06,260
can I look at this is this originally he said yeah so he popped it open it's got the original

563
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:11,940
Japanese chip in there it's got all the stuff and I'm like I was like I was young man I was like so

564
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:18,180
is it still the same price you know something you don't ask um yeah but he's like uh yeah yeah

565
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:23,460
you know um and so they didn't know they didn't know and so I got it for a hundred fifty bucks

566
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:29,220
and that's one of my other investment pieces um but then you know other than that he's a

567
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:34,100
striving timeline for all my delays and I have I have all this different stuff but I

568
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:40,900
that I love I love the aqua push by way huge um I also there's this this pedal let me find it

569
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:46,180
a pedal drill right here what's your amp - I know like you're going back sorry I'm going into the

570
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:50,420
no that's all good yes so I know it's a part of the song we'll see it's a digitek

571
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:59,060
multiplayer pds 2020 how so it's fungared from the 80s or 90s yeah and it's really interesting it

572
00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:05,380
weighs like a brick um but it's got this beautiful camera again because that were like like I'm

573
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:10,420
serious dude I haven't seen that since like college or high school yeah and my buddy just gave it to

574
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:16,580
me he's like yeah I got this whole thing it's really cool um yeah and it's got this delay that's like

575
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:24,820
it's just magical like without without the modulation on the delay it's it's pretty terrible

576
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:30,180
not terrible it's pretty sterile it's just bing bing bing bing bing bing

577
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:34,180
like it's the most boring delay you'll ever hear but you put the modulation on it's it turns

578
00:51:34,180 --> 00:51:41,060
into this huge shimmering thing and it's just massive sound like getting like early youtube vibes from it

579
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:46,740
yeah I would say that yeah and the controls are like really finicky so you move it like a hair and it

580
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:52,900
just doesn't sound anymore yeah exactly and there's there's an infinite repeat button

581
00:51:52,900 --> 00:52:02,740
which is like why but you know hook that up to your Juno 106 for the tj dance record that's

582
00:52:02,740 --> 00:52:07,860
right that's right that's what you should do put my favorite thing about it that is unusable

583
00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:15,060
is that it's got it's a it's a delay right so it's got a regular echo it's got chorus and flanger

584
00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:23,940
because those are versions of a delay right yeah and so you can put on flanger and and you push

585
00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:31,540
the infinite repeat and it goes we we we we and it just does that it's really weird it's strange

586
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:40,260
oh yeah yeah but so funny like we we start collecting all of these pedals over time

587
00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:45,380
and they and they really only become good like each one becomes good for like one little thing

588
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:49,860
and you're like there's no way now I can sell that and you never use it right yeah yeah totally

589
00:52:49,860 --> 00:52:55,540
it's like gollum in the ring you know yes yeah and so my strime and timeline is just emulating

590
00:52:55,540 --> 00:52:59,780
that pedal and my aquapus and then I have a couple other ones that I use every once in a while

591
00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:08,100
so yeah that's pedalboard now okay here we go amp there we go okay now what are you using

592
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:13,860
okay so my main amp is a 61 an original 61 Princeton amp it's a brown face Princeton and

593
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:22,580
again that's one of those pieces I bought in like 2019 and so I paid like 2250 for it I traded a

594
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:29,940
vintage was a music master a fender music master guitar one of the single pickup just student models

595
00:53:30,820 --> 00:53:36,420
and I just traded that and then some cash and I got it for like 2250 and then um

596
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:43,940
coban happened which shot gear prices up as you know and then they reissued the 61 Princeton

597
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:50,820
in the Chris Stapleton signature model and when that first came out that was shortly after I bought

598
00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:56,660
mine um that first came out and they were selling brand new for 2150 and I had bought my vintage one my

599
00:53:56,660 --> 00:54:03,300
original 61 for 2250 yeah and so that shot the prices up even more and now I see them done for like

600
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:08,260
three to four grand online and I'm like maybe I should retire this you know it's one of those pieces

601
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:13,540
but that's my baby that's my main amp I'm a huge Princeton guy that's my favorite amp of all time

602
00:54:13,540 --> 00:54:21,220
probably um and then usually I run in stereo and so I'll run the Princeton and then my buddy is also

603
00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:29,540
learning me this tweed pro so it's a 15 inch speaker um and it's it's highly modified so it's really

604
00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:36,020
quiet so you really crank it um so I'll run stereo between the 61 Princeton and like the 59

605
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:44,260
do whatever it is tweed pro so that's my stereo really and uh wow and if I'm feeling if I'm feeling

606
00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:49,700
really crazy every once in a while I'll bring my Leslie cabinet out and the Leslie cabinet

607
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:57,060
for guitar and uh it's so it's all I'm not that I'm not embarrassed easily but it's almost embarrassing

608
00:54:57,060 --> 00:55:00,900
like walking to the gig and like mean my buddy are carrying the Leslie cabinet because there's

609
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:07,540
that wheels on everything so I love it man I one of the guys I played with in LA he he's like you he

610
00:55:07,540 --> 00:55:12,180
plays full-time down in Palm Springs this name is Todd Hudlick and he's just brilliant and that dude

611
00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:19,300
he he plays with an old twin and a Leslie and like and a stop box and that's it and it's just

612
00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:26,500
just magical like you know for anybody who's not listening like the the or not listening I

613
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:31,140
shouldn't say that but for anybody who's not a musician because the majority of the world is not

614
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:37,780
listening to this right um Leslie is a speaker that's associated with a Hammond organ and it gives

615
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:46,260
the vibrato sound so um and so it's really cool when you see guitarists use it even guys like John

616
00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:53,220
Popper the lead singer of blues traveler runs his harmonica through it less and that's fire too

617
00:55:53,220 --> 00:56:02,820
that's pretty cool it's so cool yeah wow that's a that's a really that's a cool gearless man I mean you

618
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:07,940
are a you're a nerd I'm a totally and we haven't even talked about recording dear yet that's the

619
00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:13,300
crazy type well and then all right I mean yeah we could nerd out on gear for hours let my last question

620
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:19,700
about your gear what what gauge strings do you use I use elevens good for you eleven to I think

621
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it's 50 is the balanced tension de Adario set so that's what I use I I use tens for most of really say

622
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most of my career I mean up until I was probably 19 or 20 18 19 to I don't know somewhere in there

623
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and I had always experimented with with bigger gauge strings but I I need something to dig into

624
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yeah especially on the Gibson scale length the 24 and a quarter or whatever it is um I need something

625
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to dig into otherwise the the strings just they're too floppy for me and they just slip out from under

626
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my fingers and I try to dig in and I just put it in the tune yeah I'm a heavy rhythm player like I

627
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:05,380
I really can't solo for squat like yeah I mean I'll I'll you know whatever like that's not my strength

628
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but even on the rhythm side like I love to dig into and people look at me when I'm nuts and I tell

629
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them I play 13s and they're like you gotta be kidding like no man I beat the shit out of that guitar

630
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yeah I can't but it's funny I tell my friend you know I have friends and they're like what's

631
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what's nice string to use and they're playing my guitar I'm like elevens and they're like what

632
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and they act like I'm crazy you know I mean especially because a lot of guys use knives I don't know

633
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:35,860
how the hell they do it I don't either man that's nuts to me it's like playing with dental floss

634
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yeah and to an and to an extent it's fun right like oh like I can shred really cool now but when it comes

635
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down to it's like man I'd rather like just dig in and get that I'm gonna go right at the bridge

636
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and you pick right at the bridge especially on like a telly you know it's tone like I think the

637
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the knives are like they're so light on tone I can I I don't dig it yeah that's just me that's

638
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just me it's interesting because Rick be out of the video about strings and basically the smaller

639
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strings the more transient attack there is and so you get this more point attack whereas the big

640
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strings are just like he getting hit with the bus you know I mean it's just a wall of sound so yeah

641
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well speaking of gear in the thousands of dollars you have invested into it you know I mean you're

642
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not you're like now granted you're you're doing your gigs you're doing the worship you're doing

643
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the studio gig and you're teaching so you're fully immersed in it I mean this is your this is your

644
00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:45,700
job this is your this is your life but now you've started making a little bit of Bitcoin on the value

645
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:51,620
for value says you know and what what's that what what has that experience been like for you

646
00:58:51,620 --> 00:58:56,660
um it's honestly pretty awesome and it's really rewarding because and not just rewarding money

647
00:58:56,660 --> 00:59:02,580
wise it's just rewarding because as an as a musician you know you stream your music and you make

648
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:09,140
if you're lucky half a cent per stream and it's like it's basically to the point you don't even think

649
00:59:09,140 --> 00:59:17,220
about it I mean unless you're streaming a lot then nobody goes oh yeah I love streaming I make so much

650
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:25,300
money on streaming I don't I probably make maybe ten bucks a year right um and that's it that's it

651
00:59:26,180 --> 00:59:31,700
you beat that in the first month in value for value well that's the thing is like is again it's regular

652
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:35,780
streaming like Spotify stuff I basically consider it I don't make any money by the way I think

653
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:40,180
about it between putting your music up and what you pay and what you make for your I think of it is

654
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:45,860
I don't make any money but the value for value thing in the whole the Bitcoin thing and and

655
00:59:45,860 --> 00:59:52,900
it's it's really rewarding because you're like oh my gosh you know I made 40 bucks the first month or

656
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:58,900
whatever something I never make on streaming unless I had thousands upon thousands of streams um

657
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:06,740
and so it's really rewarding and to see people invest in this and to the way you know I mean

658
01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:11,780
you know how it works obviously maybe there's some people who don't the way people boost your

659
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:16,500
music and send you sats that's a really rewarding thing every once in a while get an email

660
01:00:17,540 --> 01:00:23,300
butting they boosted you x amount of sats and you know they always say something like man this

661
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:28,180
rocks or you know something really rewarding again it's not all that money it's about people

662
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:35,380
really invest in this and they want you to succeed and they're investing in you in not just again

663
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:43,860
not just money but in um moral support I get to you know yeah yeah to me you're right it's not all

664
01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:48,740
about the money I mean that's that's a nice thing but to me I think the biggest part of it

665
01:00:48,740 --> 01:00:53,700
and I've seen you do this over on fountain and and and you're starting to propagate yourself in

666
01:00:53,700 --> 01:01:00,420
Nostra good for you but the cool thing is like you actually see the freaking name of the person

667
01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:07,700
who's sending you money it's not like a heart and a like which are pointless or you know if you

668
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:13,780
get 20,000 streams on the song on Spotify you have no clue who that person is Spotify

669
01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:20,020
owns that data but the sure as hell do not own it like fountain tells you hey it was it was Bob in

670
01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:26,900
Memphis yeah yeah or a nostril tell you the same thing it was you know search ad it was you know

671
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:31,460
Sir T.J. the Rathful or whomever right and you can have that personal relationship with them

672
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:37,700
so good man I'm happy for you yet you're off to a good start you know I mean apple pie is we

673
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:42,900
dropped that one new in in today for the for the show and we're gonna wrap it up with the with

674
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:49,460
Kingdom come but yeah it's it's it's great to have you in here and as it just it's so cool that it

675
01:01:49,460 --> 01:01:54,500
you know being that it's so early I think this is gonna be a great way for you to make a name for

676
01:01:54,500 --> 01:02:00,660
yourself too so hey I'm happy to be here and I appreciate you Jim so yeah dude my pleasure I think

677
01:02:00,660 --> 01:02:05,620
you were one of I you've always blown me away with your with your talent you little stinker

678
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:10,980
and that was you know you and I got to do another gig together because the last one

679
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:17,380
yes was a little rough oh man I'd like to you know I couldn't help it dude it's like all right you

680
01:02:17,380 --> 01:02:22,420
want to play like this will be easy like forgive me but you know and we won't go into it for the

681
01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:29,060
general public but I actually have another opportunity for you off and we'll talk about this offline

682
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:35,060
there you go but you got look all right so you got two big things coming up tell everybody about

683
01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:40,180
the waterfront blues yes so I'm playing the waterfront blues festival in Portland Oregon this

684
01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:46,500
year it's the biggest blues festival on this side of the Mississippi and I'm really fortunate I get to

685
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:54,100
play it pretty much every year and I just love meeting people I love I love getting to meet all the

686
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:58,900
people that I play in front of because we play generally on a stage and then I'll go walk around

687
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:02,500
and I'll get to they'll get to say hey were you up there you know yeah good to meet you you know

688
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:08,420
all that stuff there's that and then I'm working on my next Timothy James record right another

689
01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:14,260
pop record oh okay and I'm working with this producer out of Dallas, Texas who's a really cool guy

690
01:03:14,260 --> 01:03:21,780
good friend of mine and I'm really excited to release it into the world so nice now when so when's

691
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:27,540
that record coming out you know I keep putting a date on it and then I'm like you know what no

692
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:35,700
because I retract that I'm gonna well it's not even that it's just like you know what I'm just

693
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:41,380
gonna take my time and release some singles and I don't know I would think maybe fall the record comes

694
01:03:41,380 --> 01:03:46,020
out but we're really close I mean I have I have to track some vocals and then we're done pretty much

695
01:03:46,020 --> 01:03:54,180
and we're gonna we're gonna track some some string parts too some real strings so nice yeah you can

696
01:03:54,180 --> 01:04:01,220
use a buddy mine in LA like hired this orchestra out of Hungary for like 200 bucks there yeah it was

697
01:04:01,220 --> 01:04:10,500
beautiful I'm like I'm showing my age I didn't know you could do that now all right so water the water

698
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:17,540
front blues festival win win is okay I'm playing I believe it's July 4th it's it's it's July 4th weekend

699
01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:23,540
nice yeah but I think I'm playing July 4th at like nine o'clock at night so I've got a good I've got

700
01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:28,660
a good slot yeah main stage no this year we're on we're on the crossroad stage which is one of the

701
01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:34,980
side stages last couple of years we've been on the main stage but you know what I I love the

702
01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:44,740
smaller stage just as much because it's so intimate yeah and people cram in there and it's just

703
01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:50,580
the sea of people and I love being right in front of the person you know I mean like I get to

704
01:04:50,580 --> 01:04:56,980
connect with people like that so and that's a great time slot because for people who don't know like

705
01:04:56,980 --> 01:05:03,860
July 4th in the Pacific Northwest it's still gonna be light out at nine yeah it's beautiful you know

706
01:05:03,860 --> 01:05:10,180
like they're not gonna be shooting fireworks off until like 10 15 10 30 yeah you know yeah great

707
01:05:10,180 --> 01:05:16,580
yeah and the thing is a lot of the time not so much July 4th but the other days like if you were on

708
01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:22,580
July 1st or 2nd or whatever the weekdays are of the festival if you're there at night

709
01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:25,460
there's gonna be more people at night because people work during the day and come at night you know

710
01:05:25,460 --> 01:05:30,660
I mean so yeah come over there let's get a slide right on man I'm happy for you well

711
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:35,620
Ted we're gonna we're gonna wrap up the show with Kingdom Come Ted tell us about the track and

712
01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:41,380
and what the inspiration was and where you recorded it okay this is all tracked in my living room

713
01:05:41,380 --> 01:05:51,460
and away yeah away um and so this track is is really just inspired by um I don't know it's just

714
01:05:51,460 --> 01:05:55,620
about loving each other and not fighting you know there's so much war in the world and people

715
01:05:55,620 --> 01:06:00,660
bicker over silly things like politics and all that stuff not that it's not important but it's

716
01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:06,020
no reason to to dehumanize each other and hate on each other um and so that's this track is just

717
01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:12,580
about loving on each other and and being one people basically you know so and you tracked it in your

718
01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:16,740
living room in my living room that's right everything in my living room and though all the vocals is

719
01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:24,660
whole record sm7 really yep so I love the sm7's like one of my favorite mics I literally and get

720
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:30,180
this I track the whole record the vocals sm7 in the control room with the monitors on

721
01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:37,140
you gotta be kidding me no no that's really that's really because I wanted to turn it up and I wanted

722
01:06:37,140 --> 01:06:45,620
to just like yelling live band okay I get it I mean you're not gonna do yet you're not gonna really

723
01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:51,220
do any damage you know no and you know what track yeah I dare you to listen and be like well I can

724
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:57,060
hear this you know whatever yeah yeah I'll be that goober who's yeah well you didn't use you didn't

725
01:06:57,060 --> 01:07:03,540
use an Allen and heath board yeah you should have used a better XLR pick whatever

726
01:07:03,540 --> 01:07:10,660
and nine times I'd attend those guys can't play as well as you know they can't you know any good all right

727
01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:18,260
well tj thank you thank you man thank you for coming on stick around because I got to talk to

728
01:07:18,260 --> 01:07:27,460
about something coming up here yeah but this is kingdom come on the phantom power artist hour and

729
01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:32,340
you have been listening to the favorite son of Portland Oregon tj Wong

730
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[Music]

731
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brother and sister

732
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:49,780
missus and mister

733
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don't you know who for you

734
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don't you know that my heart is true

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736
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no matter what you've done no matter where you been

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[Music]

738
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welcome to the kingdom come this is when the live begins

739
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people from all places

740
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no matter what you racist

741
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don't you know that love is so

742
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I'll be my best not to let you go

743
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no matter what you've done no matter where you've been

744
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welcome to the kingdom come this is when the live begins

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