1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:15,000 Oh yeah, welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,120 Holy cow, do we have a great one today, man. 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,120 This guy, like for those of you 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,520 who are in the Noster world, 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,040 and if you are not on Noster, shame on you. 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,180 Shame on you. 8 00:00:30,180 --> 00:00:35,040 But for those of you who are in the Noster space, 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,840 this dude reigns supreme. 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,520 I am so thrilled that I got man-like quacks 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,520 on the line from Tanzania to talk about music, 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:55,240 to talk about Bitcoin, to talk about his upbringing, 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,920 bouncing back and forth between Tanzania and the UK, 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:04,200 and his philanthropic work as well. 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,960 I mean, this dude is such an inspiration. 16 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:11,120 In addition to being a really good musician 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,720 and a good rapper and a good believer in Bitcoin 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,600 and value for value and everything, 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,200 holy cow, when an inspiration this dude is. 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,040 What a cool guy. 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,960 So, you know the drill, we're gonna play one of the songs 22 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:29,640 and then we'll cut to the interview 23 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,960 and then we will go out with one of his songs. 24 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:37,160 And I just love this whole conversation. 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,720 It's today is Sunday the 7th. 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,320 He and I were able to get on the phone yesterday 27 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:45,160 and I'm hoping to get this out. 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,960 Like Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. 29 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:52,400 World class dude, really hope to meet him in person one day. 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,600 And a great representative of independent artists 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,640 in the value for value space and the Bitcoin space 32 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,000 and a great representative of humanity. 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,920 So I'm gonna shut up. 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,440 We're gonna listen to bangers 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,960 and then you're gonna hear the interview. 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,760 Cool, cool. 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Here we go. 38 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,480 ♪ If we come ♪ 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,560 ♪ And they want us ♪ 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,400 Yeah. 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,400 ♪ If we come ♪ 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,560 ♪ If we come ♪ 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Malay. 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,000 ♪ If we come ♪ 45 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,160 ♪ And they want us ♪ 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,640 Stop proof of work. 47 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:35,400 ♪ If we come ♪ 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,000 Yeah. 49 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Yeah. 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,840 Proof of work. 51 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,480 I'm proof it works. 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,000 No formula, no strategy. 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,880 I just put in work. 54 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,440 I'm a sacrifice for it. 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,760 My get alienated. 56 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,440 Or it, my get crucified. 57 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,440 Or it, I'm laser focused with my purpose. 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,120 SBC, 223. 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,000 That was then. 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,360 This is now I showed you how I want you then 61 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,280 of what was coming. 62 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,120 Yeah. 63 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,800 Turn the lights on and see the road just running. 64 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Turn the volume, turn up the hash rate. 65 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,040 Told you my life breaks is coming. 66 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,680 Yo, please don't make me open the trunk. 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,400 What a god, bad day, you know it bumps. 68 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,120 What a god, bad day makes my jump. 69 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,800 Came out nowhere and run. 70 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,600 I got fire in my lungs. 71 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,080 DCA to BTC. 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,000 They really thought I was one and done. 73 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,680 I got bangers in my trunk. 74 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,280 I got bangers in my trunk. 75 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,280 They really sat. 76 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,120 Bitcoin data. 77 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,840 I got bangers in my trunk. 78 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,520 Yeah, she got her own keys. 79 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,080 Yeah, she got her own keys. 80 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,120 Whenever Bitcoin hits my wallet, be much just to say. 81 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,760 Oh, you got to go my back. 82 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,520 Can you go my back? 83 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:37,920 TZ, go my back. 84 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,600 Can they back you up and sat? 85 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,280 My trunk, go my back. 86 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Easy, sat. 87 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,040 Go my back. 88 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,760 Africa, go my back. 89 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,440 And they back you up and sat. 90 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,160 Yo, Bitcoin only homey. 91 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,840 It's my one and only home. 92 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,240 I don't roll with bony's. 93 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,240 Just proof of work homies. 94 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,640 Tokyo said, "Dell, Bitcoin, doing wealth. 95 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,400 Vicky's taking notes. 96 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,080 I got bangers in my trunk. 97 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,560 Now that I had a good run and I ain't letting up. 98 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,080 You can't check my proof of work. 99 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,000 You see it's all letting up. 100 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,880 Yeah, Austin, they know me. 101 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,560 A way play, they know me. 102 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,160 Austin, they know me. 103 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Now I'm worldwide homie. 104 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,480 I'm a man of a shaman. 105 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,440 I'm so orange. 106 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,280 I'm so purple. 107 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:18,760 Don't buy all kinds, bro. 108 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,720 That design to hurt you. 109 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,200 Daily, weekly monthly. 110 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,120 Stacking, sat, to live, and comfy. 111 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,520 I'm a freedom, by a book conservative with my money. 112 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:28,760 I don't ride alone. 113 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,560 Soundtouch, brand, don't it? 114 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,400 I find guantai, put my friends in any song. 115 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,160 My life trying to play me. 116 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,880 I don't play alone. 117 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Ain't no monkey business here. 118 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,920 Only King Kong. 119 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,160 [MUSIC PLAYING] 120 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 121 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,400 My life, my life, my life, my life. 122 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,200 My life. 123 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,640 My life, my life. 124 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,600 [MUSIC PLAYING] 125 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,960 After cut, gone my back, and they back it up with y'all. 126 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,560 They couldn't get in pricey. 127 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,440 Keep that big coin. 128 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,120 They couldn't get in pricey. 129 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Keep that big coin. 130 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Get out. 131 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Keep that big coin. 132 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,280 My life. 133 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,000 They couldn't get in pricey. 134 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Keep that big coin. 135 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:08,800 My life. 136 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,280 [MUSIC PLAYING] 137 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,680 Yeah, my life. 138 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,160 My life, my life, my life. 139 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,160 Yeah. 140 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,160 Yeah. 141 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,160 Yeah. 142 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,760 After cut, gone my back, and they back it up beside. 143 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,160 After cut, gone my back, and they back it up beside. 144 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,600 After cut, gone my back, and they back it up as fast. 145 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,320 After cut, gone my back. 146 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,080 Yeah, you know we stack inside. 147 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,520 If you say, gone my back, got a bucket up with you. 148 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,920 If you say, gone my back, got a bucket up with you. 149 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,640 Tuckish, shit, bra. 150 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,280 Got a bucket up beside, to be safe. 151 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,320 Got my back, got a bucket up with you. 152 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,320 Sats. 153 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,960 My life, my life. 154 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,760 Yeah. 155 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,360 My life, my life. 156 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,360 Please. 157 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,080 [MUSIC PLAYING] 158 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,080 All right, everybody. 159 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour. 160 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,880 That track that you just heard is Bangers. 161 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,440 It is a Banger. 162 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:21,040 And I am really excited to have this guest on the mic with us today. 163 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:28,320 He is a bit of a celebrity in the value for value music world. 164 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,160 It is a real trip to walk around Bitcoin Park here in Nashville 165 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,640 and hear them talk about this dude. 166 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,920 I get goosebumps about it. 167 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,800 Man-like quacks on the line, joining us from Tanzania. 168 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,400 Hello, sir. 169 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,720 Hey, how are you? 170 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,000 I am great, man, and I'm just so thrilled 171 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,360 that we were able to make this happen. 172 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,520 I got a million questions. 173 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,040 I dig your music, of course, but-- 174 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:57,800 Thank you. 175 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,920 I just think this is so cool that we're able to do this. 176 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,600 I think it's so cool you are an early adopter. 177 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,080 I'm dead serious, man. 178 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,480 It's a trip to walk around Bitcoin Park in Nashville 179 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,960 and to hear those guys going, hey man, do you see that dude's going up Kilimanjaro, man? 180 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,960 It's really cool. 181 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:17,960 You know? 182 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,960 Also, I'm on it, man, and I'm thrilled that-- 183 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,040 yeah, the new travel, man, and the community is really supportive. 184 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:32,000 So I won't be here without the community. 185 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,240 And you get what you give, really. 186 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,480 So I'm all about giving as much as I can, 187 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,000 and I've received so much in that. 188 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,160 And also just support and love and stuff. 189 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,640 So it's just great to contribute to this space. 190 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,320 So thank you very much, have me on. 191 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,480 Oh, yeah. 192 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,280 Well, and I'll also tell you, I was up in Minneapolis 193 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:59,760 a couple of weeks ago for those two shows that Justaloud and Amesley Castello did. 194 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,840 And to hear-- 195 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,480 Yeah, and to hear like BooBerry and all those guys-- 196 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,840 all the guys up in Minneapolis talking about you too, it's a trip. 197 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,920 And you're like, man, this is a small world. 198 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Yeah. 199 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Wow. 200 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:13,920 It was really cool. 201 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Yeah, it was cool. 202 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,880 I'm not even left Tanzania for a while, but it's real. 203 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,920 It is really surreal, but awesome. 204 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,320 But happy to be on and happy to talk more about Tanzania and Bitcoin and music with you. 205 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,280 So yeah, thank you for having me on. 206 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:28,920 Yeah, you bet. 207 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,680 All right, so let's dive into it. 208 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,120 So you are an early adopter into the space. 209 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,680 You were one of the very first to get in this. 210 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:44,160 You and Joe Martin-- I can't remember where I saw it. 211 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,520 I don't know if I saw it in Bitcoin magazine or something. 212 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,520 Yeah. 213 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,480 You've been on Wavelake for almost a year now. 214 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:58,480 Tell us how did-- the first question I have is, how did find this space? 215 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,320 How did you find the value for value in the Wavelake world? 216 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,680 Yeah, thank you. 217 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:11,600 So a mixture of things, which combines with my story, but with what really happened is 218 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,280 that it was, I made a song called "5 BTC." 219 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:25,840 And the story behind that was also just-- there's not many Bitcoin in my area, like in my space. 220 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:31,160 And I had to kind of congregate on Twitter to find people who are Bitcoin Twitter that 221 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,160 space. 222 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:37,160 So when I was on there, I would-- again, on top of that, I'm looking for African Bitcoin 223 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,160 is. 224 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,360 And on top of that, I'm looking for Tanzanian Bitcoin is. 225 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,880 So it was like trying to decipher down. 226 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,840 So basically, a friend of mine posted a picture. 227 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,440 He looked like a rapper called "Freeway." 228 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:56,000 So I did a cover of a track by "Freeway" called "What We Do" featuring Jay-Z is a 229 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 sick track. 230 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,480 And I did a track called "5 BTC." 231 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,360 And I just literally just wrapped about anything I knew about Bitcoin at the time. 232 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,080 I just got a compounded it towards, I just-- 233 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:13,720 And I just-- I think back then, I was just bingeing on "Pete and McCormack" podcasts. 234 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,200 So any time you had Jack Moller's on there or whatever he's on there, I was just like throwing 235 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,600 anything I got on that song. 236 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,080 So yeah, and then he said, "Oh, man, that's so cool." 237 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,560 You should share it with Bitcoin Beats. 238 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:30,640 So there was a whole Bitcoin Beats on Twitter as well, just still there. 239 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,640 Okay. 240 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,240 And he shared it on there. 241 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,600 And then similarly, they interviewed me and asked me, I didn't know there was a whole 242 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,640 Bitcoin music space, people making specific songs about Bitcoin. 243 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:49,040 So then that led me down the rabbit hole of like, there must be like a place, there must be 244 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,400 a place where you can, I don't know, put music and get Bitcoin for it. 245 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,800 And that was really my search. 246 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,320 And then I found Wavelick. 247 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,360 So that's kind of how people come to each other. 248 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:06,320 And I just, I think just after that I made the song "DCA to BTC," which is probably my biggest 249 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,320 song. 250 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,680 That was like the third song I made about Bitcoin. 251 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:13,160 And that one just took off after that. 252 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,520 So yeah, that was kind of my story. 253 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,360 I was just looking for a place to put these Bitcoin songs somewhere. 254 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,880 And yeah, found Wavelick. 255 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:28,880 Wow. All right. So then, so then let me back up to your origins as a musician, as a songwriter, 256 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,480 as a rapper. 257 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,840 When did you start your career? 258 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,240 Like how old were you when you started rapping, when you started writing, when you started 259 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,480 coordinating beats? 260 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Like how did you get into being a songwriter? 261 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,120 Yeah. 262 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:49,400 So I mean, again, I'm really grateful for dropping the SPCV one. 263 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,820 It was just like straight, plug, Jane Volume One, because I have elements in it where I 264 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:55,080 tell a bit of my story. 265 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,840 So there's a song on there called "Damas." 266 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,920 And that song, that song, I don't know if you were on "Nostrad the Time" when Will was talking 267 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:11,040 about who's getting all these emails from Apple saying he can't have, you can't zap notes 268 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,040 anymore. 269 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,640 You have to go through Apple Pay. 270 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,520 You know, you can't be tipping this way. 271 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,600 So there's this whole big ruckus on "Damas." 272 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,280 I was using "Damas" at the time. 273 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:28,080 So I feel this is like, you know, like May, June time, or something like that. 274 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,080 Yeah. 275 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,240 And they ended up just writing about that. 276 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,240 And I wrote about that. 277 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,560 And I kind of told a bit of my story. 278 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:39,080 I was like, so for me it was early '90s. 279 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,760 I was born in Tanzania, but grew up in the UK. 280 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,640 And I have, I have, there's four of us in siblings' wives. 281 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:52,400 And I have an older brother and he was just on the music like the scene everywhere, hip-hop, 282 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,400 everything. 283 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,520 Going his room, he had the, yeah, the cassettes and then he had the CDs. 284 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,720 So this was '90s and the CD, you have to go buy CDs. 285 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Yeah. 286 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,720 Yeah. 287 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,760 I was really having pocket money at the time. 288 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,040 So he was able to spend his pocket money on CDs. 289 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,840 And that's, and that's, that world is just how I got into, I was just enthralled in that 290 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,360 world of hip-hop. 291 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,480 But mostly East Coast rap was my thing. 292 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:25,080 Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, like those guys really, really just, just kind of, well my uncles. 293 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,360 They just, I just loved the way now, told stories and stuff like that. 294 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,360 So yeah. 295 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:36,080 So how I got into really just appreciating storytelling over music. 296 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,000 And then, you know, watching the videos and just how, because where we grew up, I grew up, 297 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,480 it was a bit of a small town in the UK, a place called Cumbria. 298 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,080 Not many black people around there. 299 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,880 So, you know, it was, it was as if we all we got. 300 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,960 And, and when you have, at that time, you know, MTV is kind of coming out and, you know, 301 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,160 all these things are able, you know, black culture is being able to be expressed, you know, 302 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,760 in a, in a way that is, that can be televised and it's cool and whatnot. 303 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,720 And all the culture is coming out, you know, the fashion and everything was coming with 304 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:10,720 it. 305 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,600 It was really a way to, you know, as a, as a young boy, get, gain some identity and reflect 306 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:17,600 with that. 307 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,000 So that's kind of how I, I love the space. 308 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,600 So, well, yeah, I just, just, just like songs. 309 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,020 And then some of the singles just have instrumentals to them. 310 00:14:24,020 --> 00:14:27,000 I don't know if you remember back in the day with the singers to come up. 311 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,480 And then, yeah, so, so then we just, we just, we're like, oh, I was causing the rap on it. 312 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,680 I think I remember the first single I got that I really liked was I don't remember, Miss 313 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:42,680 Yellow, get your freak on. 314 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Yeah. 315 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,000 And then when, and when Ferrell and Chad Neptune came out, I was just, look, the whole thing. 316 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 I'm, I'm just a big fan. 317 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Just a big fan of that era and stuff. 318 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,960 So, that's how I got into, into, into music. 319 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,760 And then did you ask me a big, how are we going to big coins? 320 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:02,000 Oh, just, just, just, let me ask you a quick question about your music. 321 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:09,000 What was the, what was the first song you wrote? 322 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:16,240 Man, I remember, I was about 16 when I, when I, I was writing poems mainly first. 323 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,120 And then, and then I was about 16 when I actually got to record. 324 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,240 And I think my, my, my friend still has it. 325 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,160 And I was off B. I was, I was a mess. 326 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,280 I was just like, I think it was called don't try it boy. 327 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,680 And I was just trying to, I was trying to be so hard and you'd be like, well, I don't 328 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,680 try it. 329 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Like, you can, I think you can top it, but you can't stuff it. 330 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,200 You can knock it, something like that. 331 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Don't try it. 332 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,360 I was just like, I was, I was behind the mic just trying to be so hard. 333 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,360 Yeah. 334 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,360 That's cool. 335 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,360 Yeah. 336 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,360 Yeah. 337 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,360 It helps me back in a day. 338 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,360 Yeah. 339 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,040 We've all got, we've all got stories like that, you know, like the first song, you know, 340 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,040 you're so proud. 341 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,040 You're on your way. 342 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,040 That's your first song. 343 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Oh man. 344 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Oh, so, you read it. 345 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,920 And then like two years later, you're like, your God, if this song ever gets out, I, I 346 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,280 am going to leave the planet, right? 347 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:12,280 Yeah, that's, I mean, it's a right of passage and it's important. 348 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:17,960 It's important to be able to look back on those early songs and laugh at them a little 349 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,720 bit, but also respect the fact that, hey, man, this is where I started, you know? 350 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,720 Yeah. 351 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:24,720 Yeah. 352 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Yeah. 353 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,280 You got to get your feet wet and just, yeah, you got to roll the dice, man. 354 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,320 So yeah, you got to start somewhere, dude. 355 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:37,720 You know, like that Chinese proverb of, you know, the journey begins with just, you know, 356 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,520 a couple of steps, right? 357 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:40,520 Yeah. 358 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,520 Exactly. 359 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:42,520 Yeah. 360 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,520 Yeah. 361 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,760 I mean, if you could see what, I mean, I, I know I don't have the video on for you, but 362 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,400 I, you know, you're looking at me. 363 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,800 You can tell when I probably recorded my first song, like back in the 80s, right? 364 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:01,160 And, you know, and it's probably no more than two chords and, you know, about some, you 365 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,560 know, school yard girl that broke my heart. 366 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,560 It's probably, man. 367 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Thank God, you know, it's, it's probably destroyed. 368 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:15,200 But it's, it's important to, to, to, to honor that and go back and look and to be able to 369 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,760 laugh at that as well. 370 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:24,720 I also, but before we get into Bitcoin, I wanted to say about, you're more inclined to 371 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,800 influence by the East Coast rappers as per the West Coast. 372 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:34,400 I would, I would never claim to be an expert on hip hop and rap. 373 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:35,800 Okay. 374 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:41,640 I have the utmost of respect for it as a genre. 375 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,560 It is obviously legitimate. 376 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:52,960 And I look at those writers as, as the beat poets of today. 377 00:17:52,960 --> 00:18:02,040 And I think that, you know, while there is a tremendous amount of value to what NWA brought, 378 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:08,120 I, in my limited knowledge of, of the rap and hip hop, for whatever reason, I, I find myself 379 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:11,680 gravitating towards East Coast rappers as well. 380 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,240 And I, and I don't know why, because I, you know, I mean, like, for whatever reason, like, 381 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,320 I'll listen to Jay Z, more than I'll listen to NWA. 382 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,440 I'll listen to Biggie more than I'll listen to Tupac. 383 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,560 And, and I don't know enough about it as to be able to discern why. 384 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,600 But I mean, if we were talking about jazz or country or rock, I'd be like, oh, you know, 385 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,880 I, I can really get into it. 386 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:45,560 But it's such a huge, people don't understand how culturally massive rap and hip hop is. 387 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:51,040 And just like, like with metal, there are dozens of sub genres with, right? 388 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,320 With classical, there's dozens of sub genres. 389 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:59,760 And it breaks my heart that rap and hip hop is not looked at in the same fashion because 390 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:07,280 it is just as important as any other genre. 391 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:13,080 And unfortunately, you know, unfortunately, it gets dismissed a lot, I think, I mean, honestly, 392 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,520 because of racism, right? 393 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,240 But I find it fascinating. 394 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:23,960 And I can't figure out why me, this 53 year old white dude who lives in Nashville was more 395 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,400 interested in the East Coast rappers than the West Coast rappers. 396 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,960 But I, I don't know. 397 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,200 I couldn't put my finger on either. 398 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:40,360 It really a feeling where there was the beats, whether it was the content, whether it was 399 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:45,800 the bravado about it, like there was just something about the East Coast for me at that 400 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,800 time. 401 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,120 And I'm a 10, 11, 12 teenage. 402 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,360 And I'm like, I just, you know, I said Nike's over at it. 403 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,760 That's like, it's just, it is what it is. 404 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,560 Like I can't, I can't, I can't say why. 405 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,320 I can't give you the reason why, but it's just what it was. 406 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,520 And yeah, I just gravitated towards it. 407 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:10,520 So similarly, I know rhyme or reason, respect to all those great, great eyes, wherever they 408 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,120 are from. 409 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,440 And even seeing, you know, how things have changed. 410 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:22,280 And it is also interestingly, you know, for me, you know, growing up in the UK, we were 411 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:28,800 heavily influenced by American, American rap, Henry Mahipop, the culture. 412 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:36,040 And it wasn't until I became about 14, 15, 16 that we created, I don't know if you ever heard 413 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:42,360 of the genre of garage, which is kind of like a, like a kind of melodic kind of dubstep 414 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:43,360 feel. 415 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:47,520 And then, and then on top of that, we created something called grime. 416 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,720 And that is, and yeah, and that, and oh my goodness. 417 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Now the thing about that, what happened was it became something that was ours in like UK. 418 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,600 Like we had our own sound. 419 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,520 You talked about, we talked about areas in the UK. 420 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,480 You talked about different locations. 421 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,560 Talked about what was going on with us. 422 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,880 And then the way that they wrapped how the UK accent to it because previously, you know, 423 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,880 if you wanted to be on the radio as a UK rapper, you had to kind of sound like an American 424 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,880 rapper. 425 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:24,200 So there was a whole shift and, and even to this day, like now it's, now we have, what's 426 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,200 it called, not real, drill is, is very big. 427 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,560 Now so it's kind of evolved. 428 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:36,200 So when I was 16, I gravitated to grime music because there was rappers who were my age, 429 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:42,800 I kept a, a, Jamie, then Wiley, another tiny temper. 430 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,600 There was just so many of these, these, these rappers who were like us from London, many 431 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,280 from London, and started from Manchester. 432 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,400 And then they represented us. 433 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,520 So you, so maybe, and what I'm trying to say is the East Coast, I felt represented me more 434 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,520 at the time. 435 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,480 And then I'm, I'll be honest, when I became 16, I felt more represented by the UK artist 436 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,840 because we created a new sound. 437 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:11,840 So, so definitely grime music influenced me in a big way as a, as I grew up, as they 438 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,920 became a teenager and, and, and, and adults. 439 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,840 So, yeah, I think, I think whatever you feel represented by, same, and I think you can 440 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:25,440 talk about, you know, Afro beats now as well, you know, because now top of that, you know, 441 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:32,600 there's Davido, there's a burner boy, there's, you know, with kid like so many, so many influences, 442 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,480 even like, you know, with the, with the reggae music and stuff like that, it just, you know, 443 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,960 all the different cultures having their own sound. 444 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,960 It's just cool. 445 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,880 And to me, to link back to Bitcoin, it was like, I, I thought, I thought, I thought, I 446 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,880 got there. 447 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,880 Like, though, there wasn't, there wasn't, I wanted to hear someone rap about Bitcoin, and 448 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,160 I was like, there was no one, no one I knew at the time really rapped out of Bitcoin, and 449 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,280 I decided to start rapping about Bitcoin. 450 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,520 And, and, and it's been great. 451 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,520 So, that's kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of where I'm going. 452 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,360 Yeah, and the rest is history as they say. 453 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:16,400 So, I'm looking on the map of the UK at Cumbria, which is on the west coast, just underneath 454 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:22,520 Scotland, just, just, just south of Lockerbieg, you're north of Manchester. 455 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,520 Yeah. 456 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:30,080 I mean, what, so what brought you, what brought your family up there? 457 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:37,280 Yeah, so my parents are both a medicine, and so, at story, really, we were born in Tanzania 458 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:44,720 and my dad, a doctor, I'm also, and then we moved to Kuwait, actually, first. 459 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,720 Oh, wow. 460 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,840 So, my dad was in Kuwait to begin with late 80s. 461 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:54,240 My younger brother was born there, and then, as you know, those, the Gulf War happened. 462 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,240 Yeah. 463 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,240 So, we had to evacuate and leave everything behind. 464 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,720 Yeah, without, just really, just out from scratch, that was like early 90s. 465 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:10,200 So, so, we moved, so my dad studied in the UK, and then, you know, then went on, when, when, 466 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,640 then went to Kuwait to do, to teach him that, then we came back to the UK. 467 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,160 And then that's where we started life, and he decided, I asked him as a, as a man now, 468 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,120 I said, "Wait, Cumbria is like, I really wanted you guys to be somewhere, I didn't want you 469 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:29,200 in the inner cities, I wanted you somewhere out, I didn't want to be in the cities, 470 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,080 I wanted you guys to, to you guys to grow up out of the cities." 471 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,760 That was his, that was his preference, and I respect him for that, that was his vision for 472 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,200 the family, and, yeah, I mean, yeah, we loved him, we had a good time, and, yeah, for my 473 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,200 memories then. 474 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,520 Uh, it looks, it looks beautiful, I, I like district, it's beautiful place, no? 475 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,080 Yeah, Lake District National Park, yeah. 476 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:59,160 All right, so then, so then you go back to, to Tanzania, then how did you get in 477 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,160 to Bitcoin? 478 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,360 When did you get into it? 479 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:11,560 So Bitcoin is again, family affairs, so my, my older brother had the music, my younger brother 480 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,440 had the, had the, had the, had the, had the lane needs of Bitcoin, so he told me about it 481 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,960 earlier on, but I was half listening to him at the time. 482 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:28,080 So my younger brother, um, big on, big on tech, big on manga, big on anime, all that stuff 483 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,560 was, like, he was just, he was just, he was the head, man, he was just a blade runner. 484 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,560 He was, nice. 485 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,560 He was a head of his tech. 486 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:40,560 He was a head of a, and also, and also retro, and also retro with it too, like, he was just, 487 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,960 he was, he was cyber fun, right? 488 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,840 He was definitely that guy. 489 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,760 So, um, he told me about it, but I, again, I was half listening, and then I moved to Tanzania 490 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,760 in 2013. 491 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Yeah. 492 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,360 Um, it wasn't until I came back in 2018 that he, he, he kind of reintroduced it. 493 00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:00,040 He actually just theme in my room and just say, listen, he told me, he told me my laptop. 494 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,840 He said, look, get, go, get, get by announced and get this, get some Bitcoin, get some Ethereum 495 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,920 and get some of this. 496 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,960 And then he just walked out, like, it was like, literally just like that. 497 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,800 Like, he just told me, too. 498 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,800 I'm tired. 499 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,200 I'm tired of telling him, with craft, get it done. 500 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,080 He just, he just gets some, and I was like, ah, whatever, like, so, um, so I, I got some 501 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:28,160 at the time and then, but I, again, not really kind of into the space or the community of 502 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,080 it just, I just had some, and I didn't really know what I was doing with it. 503 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,760 So yeah, it wasn't until COVID. 504 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:41,280 So 2020 that I really started looking into more, um, what is this Bitcoin thing about? 505 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,880 What is this crypto thing about, you know, and kept seeing all these Michael Sala videos 506 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,720 flowing around on YouTube. 507 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,160 And, um, and yeah, so it wasn't until 2020 that I really started to investigate and be more 508 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,160 curious. 509 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,920 And then started selling the rest of the money stuff and be Bitcoin only as well. 510 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,520 So that was, so 20, I guess I'll call myself the classic 2020 if, if, if they, if they 511 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,280 classes to this that I really decided to kind of go all in on Bitcoin. 512 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:14,280 Well, and how, how is Bitcoin, um, accepted or thought of in, in Tanzania? 513 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,680 I mean, for people that don't know, and unfortunately, you know, as, as you can imagine, 514 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,760 just about every American has no idea where Tanzania is. 515 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,840 So, um, for those of you who are listening and you, and you know it's in Africa, but you 516 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,160 don't know much about it. 517 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,160 Let me tell you, um, Tanzania is on the East Coast just under the equator. 518 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,760 Um, it has a population of about 45 million people. 519 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:46,640 You've got 120 ethnic, religion and linguistic groups. 520 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,480 It's a constitutional, uh, republic. 521 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,600 You guys, I mean, God bless you. 522 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,680 I know you got your challenges, but you seem to be in a better position than most countries 523 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,200 in Africa. 524 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:08,480 Um, so how is it, how is Bitcoin perceived, uh, on the constant and in Tanzania? 525 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,200 So yeah, I can, I can speak on Tanzania and, and I mean, the, the blessing is I've, I've, 526 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,080 I've really befriended a lot of African Bitcoin as well. 527 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:24,960 And, and really shared, you know, the frustrations that we have with our currencies, um, share the 528 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:31,600 frustrations we have with cross-border payments, uh, share the frustrations we have with inflation 529 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,600 and whatnot. 530 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,080 So, so, use less that with inflation. 531 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,560 So when I arrived here in Tanzania, um, in 2013, um, so the, so let's go to the dollar. 532 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,160 So we have the Tanzanian shilling. 533 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:53,760 So one dollar, uh, at the time, one dollar was 1,500 Tanzanian shillings, um, you get for 534 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,280 one, you could buy one dollar. 535 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,280 Yeah. 536 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,280 This year, it went, it's now 2,500. 537 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,280 Wow. 538 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,880 And, um, that's real, man. 539 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,120 And, and, and you, and you feel it a lot more than you would when you're in the West. 540 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,200 I, I've, I've lived in, but I've lived here 10 years, I lived in the West for 25 plus years. 541 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,200 So, yeah. 542 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,540 So, I, you, you feel it a lot more, feel it in the fuel prices, feel it in the food prices, 543 00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:22,200 you feel it in, in, in, and things. 544 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,900 And that's how you can connect with people when you start talking to people up big coin. 545 00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:31,440 That's how you can connect with, with people around you when you, when you, they know, they know. 546 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,200 They might not know where the word inflation, but they know what it feels like. 547 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,200 Yeah. 548 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Yeah. 549 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,200 Yeah. 550 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,740 That note doesn't go as far as it used to. 551 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:42,080 Then things are like pinching like that. 552 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,180 So in regards to Bitcoin, it's... 553 00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:49,320 They had a hardь found on it. 554 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,400 To begin with, they should be using it, 555 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,560 it should be touching it. 556 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,740 But then they loosened up, 557 00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:58,740 and said, "You're on risk, 558 00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:59,980 but it's not legal tender, 559 00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:04,280 so you can't buy a sell, trade with it here." 560 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,960 You can't use it to buy bread or whatever the case would be. 561 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,440 That's the case still. 562 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,000 You can't use this legal tender. 563 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000 But if you choose to buy it, 564 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,440 there's no issues with that from what I know. 565 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,160 And yeah, for me, 566 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,400 I guess my frustrations was moving money out of Tanzania 567 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,000 was very, very difficult, the Swiss system. 568 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,800 I just an example, just moving. 569 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,280 If I wanted to move $200 out of the country, 570 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080 it would cost me $60 to do so. 571 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,840 Oh, are you 60? 572 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,280 So imagine, it might work for you to be... 573 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,440 Yeah, it might work if you have a large sum of money, 574 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,200 but I needed to make some monthly payments, 575 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,480 and it just was biting me, man. 576 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,520 So that's how I was like, 577 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,720 I need to find other rails. 578 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,520 I need to find other ways of doing things. 579 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,280 And so cross-border payments, 580 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:03,040 obviously, this kind of phase was witnessing layer two 581 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,600 and lightning and everything. 582 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,080 I mean, that's just gonna... 583 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:06,880 That's just... 584 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,080 The funny thing about it is, 585 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,480 I don't know if you familiar what we heard of, 586 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200 we use a thing called mobile money here, 587 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,360 where... 588 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,560 I have your mobile. 589 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,040 Yeah, so there's a thing called M-PESA. 590 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,200 So, for instance, 591 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,880 what we'd have, I think, basically, it's like your SIM card 592 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,880 is a bank account. 593 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,480 So I can send you money to your line 594 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,320 and vice versa. 595 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,200 And the strange thing about it, 596 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,600 it's very close to what lightning is. 597 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,400 Like, it's like the pretty much the same, 598 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,000 like we're very used to that concept 599 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,080 of sending money to phones. 600 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,760 And also, the amazing thing is, 601 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,760 we can do it without internet. 602 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,680 There's a messaging service called USB, 603 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,240 where you just do star, one, five, zero hash, 604 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,080 and then you have a menu, 605 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,480 like a text message menu. 606 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,080 So, you'll have a menu with numbers, 607 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,360 so it might say send money, pay a bill, 608 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,640 and it's connected to so many things. 609 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,640 I can pay my electricity bills, I can buy food with it, 610 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,760 I can pay at the shops, 611 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,280 like you can do multiple things with this system. 612 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,200 And it's very, very, very dominant here in what people use. 613 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,600 I mean, I didn't have any cash on me. 614 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,120 So, for instance, I just said, 615 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,920 like, I wouldn't... 616 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,040 This is the day I wanted to get my tires filled up. 617 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,240 1,000 shillings, it's like, 618 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,800 doesn't even like 30 cents man, 619 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,000 like I had to get my tires filled up. 620 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,240 I don't have any cash on me. 621 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,280 I just said, "Hey, what's your number?" 622 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,840 He said, "Yeah, this is my number." 623 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,760 I just widened the cash on his phone, 624 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,560 he's like, "Yeah, we're cool." 625 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,000 So, like, it's so eerie about what lightning does 626 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,680 and what it can do, 627 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,200 like the frustration part for me is, 628 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,320 I can see that we would be ready for that here. 629 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,440 Like, it wouldn't be much of a thing to change. 630 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,320 It's just a different form of money, 631 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,960 a better form of money basically. 632 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,240 Yeah, so right now, 633 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,640 so right now you can't take anything in BTC 634 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,360 or lightning and move it over to Impessa, correct? 635 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,440 Yes, that is a challenge unless you do it, 636 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,360 it appears, so for instance. 637 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,120 So, there's like a Binance peer-to-peer system. 638 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,920 So, you can go on there and you can find a seller 639 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,120 and like I say, "Hey, I've got this Bitcoin." 640 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,240 And then he has his rate and then, 641 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,080 they have the whole escrow system that you do and whatnot. 642 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,760 There's also an app called NoWons, 643 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,280 where you can also do the same thing. 644 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,560 Back in the day, it was called Paxful. 645 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,280 I think of similar to like local Bitcoin. 646 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,560 I think, remember, there were local Bitcoin's back in the day, 647 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,560 something like that. 648 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,000 It was a peer-to-peer kind of marketplace. 649 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Yeah, so those marketplaces are there. 650 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,840 And then also, yeah, similarly people know I do Bitcoin, 651 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560 they just, it'll text me and we just organize a rate 652 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,160 and I just, I'll buy off them or sell them. 653 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,000 I don't, I should, I don't sell mine. 654 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,200 I really am, I don't sell mine. 655 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,040 I was just like, "I was about to say sell, I just buy it, 656 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,480 but if they wanna do that." 657 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,480 So, that's something, 658 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,360 that's the area that I'm really looking into as well, 659 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:25,360 to create some sort of way to, so people can off-rump easily 660 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,680 here in Tanzania. 661 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,680 Yeah. 662 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,280 How, I mean, obviously, you know, 663 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,960 you're, since your brother got you into it, 664 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,480 and quote unquote, forced you to buy. 665 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,600 (laughs) 666 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,880 But how has your, you know, 667 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,880 what do you think of now when you look at the next 668 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,840 30 or 40 years in Tanzania, 669 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,480 and the fact that you hold Bitcoin and, 670 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,960 and you know, what are your plans for it long term? 671 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,960 Are you, is it gonna be what you guys, 672 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,120 quote unquote, retire off of live off of? 673 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,640 Are you gonna go back to the UK? 674 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,560 Like, what are your, how does, 675 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,440 when you think about the next 30 or 40 years, 676 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,640 and incorporate it, you know, in Tanzania 677 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,240 and incorporate Bitcoin into that, 678 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,240 what do you think of? 679 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,400 Yeah, I mean, that's, that's really great a question 680 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,520 and, and I think my friend asked me, you know, 681 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,960 something similar, and, and to be honest, 682 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,520 it was like, I had to get my wife on board first, really. 683 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,680 So that was, that was phase one. 684 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,560 Yeah, and she's all in, and she's, she's all in, 685 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,560 in the sense of what I've done in here is started a, 686 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,240 an academy, a proof of work academy, 687 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,120 and that's, that, that was what led me 688 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,280 to climb Kilimanjaro, 689 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,320 because I am very focused on the next generation, 690 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,760 and the frustrations that, the, even, even my generation 691 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,320 has in regards to what inflation has done 692 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,680 for us to get on the property ladder, 693 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,720 for us to own assets, and all sorts, 694 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,800 because it, it has been really difficult, 695 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,960 because I'll tell you in the 80s, here, buying land. 696 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,200 So usually instead of buying houses, 697 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,960 and then, it was so vast there, we used people buy land, 698 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,000 and then they, and then they've slowly build a build, 699 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,240 and then have the family house. 700 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,680 So, so in the 80s, my mom said she bought like a piece of land, 701 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,000 like, no more than, maybe like a quarter of an acre, 702 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,840 for like, I think it was about $10. 703 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,480 And now, that's like $8.96, she said she bought it. 704 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,840 And now, in that location, in Dallas, 705 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,600 to Laum, like you can't, you can't, 706 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,600 you can't buy land there for less than 100,000 USD. 707 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,200 Like, you can't, you cannot, no way, no way, 708 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,320 200 million times in an inch, 709 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,880 about 100,000 times in an inch, 100,000 USD, like you cannot, 710 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,680 like, the way things have inflated here is, is, is, is crazy. 711 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,760 So, by landing in specific places, 712 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,680 and the way, the way, the, the way the economy is just, 713 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,360 is, is as, it's so fast here, is, and that's why I moved back, 714 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,720 because I saw, in my opinion, for myself, 715 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,440 it didn't suit me to be in, in the UK, 716 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,720 because it was, it was saturated, 717 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,240 less, less, less, I was an Elon Musk, 718 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,320 to have that kind of idea, I felt, I would be, 719 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,000 I would feel just be like, you know, 720 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,600 a small fish in a big pond, 721 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,720 but in Tanzania, I just felt there was an opportunity 722 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,560 for me to maneuver and kind of, 723 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,280 make some impact called changes. 724 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,680 So, creating educational, 725 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,160 I want to create an educational hub here, 726 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,760 I should, which I've, 727 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,360 I should've kind of been posting about on NOSTA, 728 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,440 called for work academy. 729 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,160 So, educating the next generation, 730 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,840 I mean, definitely goes around me, 731 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,480 but the next gen, they get it. 732 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,960 I mean, I don't, like yesterday, 733 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,800 I was just talking to my nephew on the phone, he's about 18. 734 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880 I just told him about NOSTA, 735 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,960 he literally just joined in, like, within, like, 736 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,600 two minutes, he's on NOSTA posting 737 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,320 and he said that app is futuristic 738 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,000 and then he went viral. 739 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,000 But the way that they just, 740 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,640 but me trying to tell my dad about NOSTA, 741 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,680 just, it takes, it takes, it takes an age. 742 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,720 It takes a time to, 743 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,960 for him to, to kind of get his mind around it, 744 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,520 but the youth, man, they, they grew up on internet. 745 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,440 So, so, they, they get it super quick. 746 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,920 So, so my work here is, I feel, is to educate. 747 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,440 Definitely, I plan to stay here, 748 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,560 base here, use Bitcoin as a way to kind of create, 749 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,440 kind of opportunities, you know, within music, 750 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,640 within sports, and just, just day-to-day, 751 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,520 just financial literacy about Bitcoin, 752 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,800 is really what I wanna, 753 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,360 my mission to do here in Tanzania. 754 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,000 Now, are, are, are you in Doris, 755 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,120 Al-Alam, where, where you at? 756 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,240 - So, I'm in Arusha now. 757 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,240 I used to live in Dorisalam, 758 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,760 but now I'm in Arusha. 759 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,280 So, Arusha is, they call it the, what do you call it? 760 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,320 They call it the Geneva of Africa. 761 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,640 (laughs) 762 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,600 - Hi! - Yeah, yeah, so they call it, 763 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,360 but if, if you come, when you come, 764 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,400 if, when you come, and you come see me. 765 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,760 And so, this is really the Safari hub, 766 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,880 when you come to Tanzania. 767 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,040 - Arusha. 768 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,280 - And, and it's a beautiful place. 769 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,080 - Really, really beautiful. 770 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,760 - Yeah, you just, you're just South Aquinia, 771 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,520 you're, you're probably like two, 772 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,800 two hours south in Nairobi, probably, right? 773 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,000 - Yeah, yeah. 774 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,280 So, in a, in a, in a bus, 775 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,760 like it takes like five hours. 776 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,080 - Oh, that's right. - Or there's what? 777 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:22,920 - Right, okay. 778 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,240 - Yeah, it is a big country, man. 779 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,440 So, so, but anyway, but that's the great thing. 780 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,720 Very close to Nairobi. 781 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:32,000 And we have the parks here, so Serengeti, 782 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,160 and Gorongorra Crata, Tarigi Ray, 783 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,040 like Manjara, all those. 784 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160 And then down the street from us is, 785 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,360 is Moshi, where Kilimanjaro is. 786 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,200 - Yeah. 787 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,160 - Like, it's just, it's just where it's at. 788 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,840 I just see Bitcoin is coming here 789 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,880 and enjoying themselves, man. 790 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,320 So, I'm, I'm trying to, 791 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,360 I'm trying to accommodate it for you guys when you guys come. 792 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,440 It's seamless. 793 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,240 - Yeah. - And you guys have a great time here, man. 794 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,840 So, so that's the work I'm doing as well. 795 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,040 So tourism is, is, is there too. 796 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,720 So, yeah, I mean, we moved to Arusha, 797 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,840 and then my wife and I, 798 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,760 working on an education project here in Arusha, 799 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,160 and I'm also incorporating Bitcoin to that too. 800 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,000 - Fantastic. 801 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,840 All right. 802 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,440 Now, let me ask you a really dumb American question. 803 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,920 - Sure. 804 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,920 - I know that, you know, in between you and Somalia is Kenya, 805 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,040 Kenya is also, you know, really doing well. 806 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,080 But, but I know that there have been a lot of challenges, 807 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,560 politically, religiously, coming out of Somalia. 808 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,640 Does any of that find its way down into Tanzania 809 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,880 or you guys pretty well, 810 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,960 or even the challenges in Uganda 811 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,760 or you guys pretty well insulated from all that? 812 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,560 - Yeah, I would say we're relatively peaceful here, 813 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,560 and don't get as much of that interactions 814 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,320 as much as those countries do. 815 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,560 - Yeah, I mean, for the 10-year-old being here, 816 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,800 it's been a really peaceful time, 817 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,000 and yeah, I think we're known for that as well. 818 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,520 But yeah, there's the challenges all around, 819 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,320 and we have ours too, 820 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,000 but known for being relatively peaceful country, 821 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,840 and those challenges are not as much 822 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,600 that I kind of get reported, 823 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,160 or that I get known of about so. 824 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,240 So, yeah, it's relatively peaceful here. 825 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,080 - It has been fascinating. 826 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,520 I mean, I work in the finance industry here in the States, 827 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,520 and I've always had a passion for macroeconomics, 828 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:43,240 and it is fascinating to see what's going on 829 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:48,240 in Africa as a continent with respect to its development. 830 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,840 I mean, I know there are dozens and dozens 831 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,000 of internal political issues. 832 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,080 There's awful civil wars, there's, 833 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,480 but on the whole, the economic future for the continent 834 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,960 is really stunning. 835 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:13,720 Again, first of all, I apologize if I sound like 836 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,720 a dumb, entitled, uneducated American, 837 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:23,000 but it is stunning when you read about the developments 838 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,360 that are going on in Africa, 839 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,440 and when you read about the potential that is going on, 840 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,760 from a continent perspective, man, 841 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,280 I mean, it's kind of one of those things like, 842 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,720 man, I wish I could come back in 200, 300 years 843 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,360 and just see where Africa as a continent sits 844 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,160 compared to the rest of the world today, right? 845 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,440 - I agree with you, and that's why I moved. 846 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,360 I was like, you know, I'm living in the UK, 847 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,480 just historically dominant country, worldwide. 848 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,840 English spoken pretty much everywhere. 849 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,400 And then there's Tanzania, which is a young country 850 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,040 that independence in '60s, you know? 851 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,120 It's a baby, it's a young country, man. 852 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,640 So, of course, we're making those teenage mistakes right now, 853 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,360 and we're still trying to figure things out 854 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,280 and kind of figure out our neighbors 855 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,160 and try to figure out where we do and try to get ahead 856 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,240 and all those things. 857 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,560 And the continent is like that. 858 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,520 It feels like that, you know, to a certain degree, 859 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,840 that there's youth there, there's kind of a youthfulness about it. 860 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,880 But we're leapfrogging things. 861 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,200 Like the way the tech has come here, you know, 862 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,560 the way the internet is literally just connected everything. 863 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,240 And it's allowed us to leapfrog. 864 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,800 Like my grandmother didn't have a landline, 865 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,320 she went straight to a mobile phone. 866 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,120 Like, God, no way, that's cool. 867 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,760 - She was sort of, you know what I'm saying? 868 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,000 Like this one I'm saying, like we've leapfrog so much stuff 869 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,240 and technologies and the amazing thing is like, 870 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,000 you know, like I said, like I can pay someone, 871 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,280 even cross-border, I can use the payment rails here 872 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,320 between Kenya and Uganda, I can pay their mobile funds 873 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,120 and they'll receive it in their own currency as well. 874 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,880 The payment rails are here, they're there 875 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,320 for these mobile money things. 876 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,320 So it's like, it's prime, man, it is a prime place to be. 877 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,600 So what you're saying is right in the senses, 878 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,720 so much so much can happen and the internet is really just made 879 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:29,960 in an amazing opportunity and then put Bitcoin on top of that. 880 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,680 It's just, it's borderless, man, it's crazy. 881 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,280 - Well, tell me a little bit about the educational work 882 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,280 that you and your wife do and how people over here 883 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,880 might be able to assist you guys. 884 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,080 - Oh, yeah, sure. 885 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,080 So my wife and I, we met, we met actually 886 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,440 at a school, so I joined a Christian school, 887 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,880 international school in Darisalam and she was working there. 888 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,360 And really what connected us was our passion for youth 889 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,080 and just the way things were going 890 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,320 and what we felt we could contribute to change that. 891 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,160 So I'm big on sports as well, 892 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,640 so that's a passion of mine as well, as well as music. 893 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,640 So that is my angle with regarding music and sport 894 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,880 to kind of influence that way. 895 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,200 And my wife is more early years and really conscious about 896 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,600 just the way the kids are developing as well. 897 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,160 So what we've done, we teamed up with another family 898 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,960 and we were homeschooling some kids 899 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,840 and now we moved to Russia where they're based 900 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,960 and we set up the learning orchard. 901 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,800 - Okay. 902 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,680 - So, and with the learning orchard, again, 903 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,040 it's really focusing on kids who do need 904 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,840 learning accommodations such as dyslexia, 905 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,920 dyscaphalia, ADHD and kind of creating those, 906 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,120 those environments where it's not like a desk 907 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,680 kind of situated place, it's more of a kind of a free form 908 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,360 play learn and kind of just kind of having the arts there 909 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,360 and a little bit more expansive in that kind of sense 910 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,760 rather than the curriculum kind of scalable schooling 911 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:16,920 that we've been a part of. 912 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,560 We really wanted to experience that 913 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,200 and you know, like we have kids as well. 914 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,920 So we wanna be thinking about that for our kids 915 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,880 going forward as well. 916 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,880 So that's the meaning of the work. 917 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,200 And I guess my Bitcoin journey, you know, 918 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,840 in depth kind of started in 2020. 919 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,280 So I'm still kind of new to it, but I have seen 920 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,160 and we've seen as a family how it is really shaped us 921 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,760 and shaped our finances. 922 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200 So again, it's something that we, you know, 923 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,920 she's been really great about learning about it 924 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,080 and then also trusting me to incorporate into 925 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,560 what we do at the school. 926 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,080 So what I've kind of then has created something separate 927 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,800 called Proof of Work Academy, 928 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,760 which will be hosting meetups at the same location. 929 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,840 So I've heard of Bitcoin part, 930 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,240 I've kind of heard how it is 931 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,480 and I was fascinated by the sound of that. 932 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,480 So we have a house here 933 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,600 where we're gonna be doing the classes. 934 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,960 But then also there's a cool hall, 935 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,160 like a really big hall that we can do performances in. 936 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,600 So my friends at Wave Lake, what up Sam, what up Mike? 937 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,800 So they've been really great. 938 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,720 And I said, I wanna do some Wave Lake live performances there 939 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:30,480 and get them on and talk to the ENID and chief EMO Diesel. 940 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,040 My friends here in Tanzania who are also performers 941 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,920 and got on Wave Lake recently. 942 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,440 So we've been talking about that. 943 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,080 I wanna get that going. 944 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,840 Got a coffee shop there too. 945 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,840 So I really wanna just create this space for people to have 946 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,280 be creative in the arts and in the music. 947 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,120 And then also we have this educational space as well. 948 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,080 And yeah, we just wanna contribute to this community 949 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,120 that we live in and just share what's changed our lives 950 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,880 with through Bitcoin, what Christians as well. 951 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,120 So definitely our faith is very shaped us 952 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,520 and what there's just we make and where we go and what we do. 953 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,920 So a combination of those things is what we wanna do. 954 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,920 So they're on the verge of going online. 955 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,120 So they're not quite online yet. 956 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,000 I'm trying to help them on the Bitcoin side of things 957 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,480 just kind of in court to see how we can incorporate that. 958 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,040 But they're getting there. 959 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,920 But if you support ProveWork Academy, 960 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,720 then it supports them too. 961 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:34,560 So. 962 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,720 - Okay, well you just dropped a boatload of links on us. 963 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,800 - Well you were talking and I was listening. 964 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,800 I was also looking up the websites 965 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,040 and I will link them in this podcast because I would love 966 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,360 to see people donate and help. 967 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,480 So right now in the podcast when I publish it, 968 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,440 you should have a link to the learning orchard, 969 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,440 which is the learning orchard.sc.eZ, right? 970 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,840 - Yep. 971 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,640 And then I'm looking at you on LinkedIn right now. 972 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,240 - So what? 973 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,600 - Yeah, where Academy? 974 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,600 - Yeah, what mainly guys are from ProveWork Academy? 975 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,120 - So if you go on geyser.fund, 976 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,120 and then it should be P-O-W-A. 977 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,640 Yeah, so definitely if you go into the geyser.fund website, 978 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,360 I have a geyser fund there. 979 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,400 Climb Killy got raised. 980 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,760 I think I'm up like eight million sets 981 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,280 down the communities. 982 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,600 - Yeah, baby. 983 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,440 - The communities, man, I love Nostum. 984 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,720 I know those guys and that place is just 985 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:49,560 changed my whole year, man. 986 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,440 - Shout out to Wabelake for dropping a million sets in there. 987 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,600 - Those guys don't play. 988 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,160 Those guys don't play. 989 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,000 - Yeah, man. 990 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,840 - Yes. 991 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,640 - Yeah, so it's really cool, man. 992 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,280 And I just appreciate, like I appreciate ProveWork, 993 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,280 I appreciate the integrity about it. 994 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,960 And I'm just very honored and humbled 995 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,760 that people are supporting, 996 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,160 and we're putting it to what we say we're gonna do. 997 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,760 So, I'm grateful that that's the reputation we have over here. 998 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,600 - Love it. 999 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,320 Now is that you holding that, 1000 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,200 where in the Black shirt and holding 1001 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,280 the Nostritch Lightning 5.5? 1002 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,120 Is that you? 1003 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,120 - Yeah, yeah, that's good. 1004 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,760 - Look at that handsome dude. 1005 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,600 - Woo! 1006 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,120 - I took that up to Killam and Jarrow, man. 1007 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,960 I took that up right into the top, 5,800 and 95 meters up. 1008 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,800 Hi, man. 1009 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,640 I went up there. 1010 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,440 So that's the cover of the straight-peptane album cover. 1011 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,640 And yeah, so I got zapped all the way to the top. 1012 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,720 - Love it. 1013 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:51,560 Love it. 1014 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,320 And you gotta let us know, definitely shoot me an email 1015 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,120 or whatever when these events, 1016 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,920 when these live events are coming up 1017 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,240 so that we can help you. 1018 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:04,840 - So we can help you promote it. 1019 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,080 And I'm thrilled to hear that you're gonna have Enid in there. 1020 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,800 We're gonna, I'm actually gonna interview her next week. 1021 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,680 So I'm looking forward to that. 1022 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,720 - That's gonna be great. 1023 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:16,560 She has such a wonderful voice. 1024 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:17,760 - Yeah, she does. 1025 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,960 - Yeah, we met in a Rousha, we were colleagues 1026 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,840 and I just told her about what I'm doing on Wave Lake. 1027 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,080 And she's got a bunch of songs in the head. 1028 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,080 And yeah, so I'm looking forward to working with her more as well. 1029 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,000 - Yeah, I love that fly track. 1030 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,800 Yeah, she's got a great voice. 1031 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,120 And I've actually got a whole other fan-in-power music 1032 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,280 hour set and ready to go with a lot of world music 1033 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,160 and a lot of artists from Africa on it. 1034 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,160 I mean, there's a lot of great pop and hip hop 1035 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,880 and R&B world beats coming out of, 1036 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,080 coming out of Wave Lake. 1037 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,000 I mean, it's fantastic. 1038 00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,840 It's really great. 1039 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,880 - You've done such a great job in one year, man. 1040 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,240 Like, it's night and day, night and day, night and day. 1041 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,440 So congrats to those guys. 1042 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,280 - Yeah, all right. 1043 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,600 So we've got, all right. 1044 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,000 So I gotta email myself these links for the, 1045 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,720 for when I put together the chapters in a couple of days. 1046 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:22,960 Wow, man, you are an inspiration. 1047 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,280 Yet you really are. 1048 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,440 I love what you're doing for kids and for paying it forward 1049 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,080 for the next generation and devoting your life 1050 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,520 to the next generation. 1051 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,520 That is, I'm not a loss for words, man. 1052 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,640 - Appreciate, man. 1053 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,480 - Appreciate. 1054 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,040 And I've been inspired a lot by the community as well, 1055 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,360 by the way. 1056 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,560 There's some amazing people online, man, who, yeah, 1057 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,800 are just really amazing people. 1058 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,880 So I've had days where it's been hard and not wanted to, 1059 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,720 just throwing the towel, but just been encouraged by, 1060 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,440 by a message, by a, just whatever, man. 1061 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,960 So I'm truly grateful for the support as well, man. 1062 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,080 It's just helped me keep going. 1063 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,920 So, yeah, and I give it out as much as I can as well. 1064 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:09,960 So congrats to you. 1065 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,400 So I listened to every show of yours before we got on, man. 1066 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,720 And yeah, you talk to everybody, man. 1067 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,720 And you got a great love for music. 1068 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:17,960 I do love opera now. 1069 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,280 And yeah, I appreciate that, man. 1070 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,040 You got, you got a real love for it. 1071 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,640 So I'm really honored to be here. 1072 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,600 And thank you for giving me the time 1073 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,080 to share my story of it with you. 1074 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:28,760 My pleasure. 1075 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,680 And look, look, I'm not kidding when I say that people 1076 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,120 over here know who you are. 1077 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,400 And if you were to tell anybody in the NOSTER world, 1078 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,600 hey, man, I'm coming over to the States. 1079 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,080 Everybody's going to open up their house to you. 1080 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,840 But just so you know, if you make it to Nashville, 1081 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,280 you and your family, you guys got a place to stay, man. 1082 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,760 Don't worry about that. 1083 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:51,800 That's what's up, man. 1084 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,520 I mean, here are you and Joe talk about Nashville, man. 1085 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,080 That sounded awesome, man. 1086 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,080 Yeah. 1087 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,000 It sounded really, really cool space, man. 1088 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,160 So I'd love to do-- 1089 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,360 And he's a great guy, by the way. 1090 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,360 Yeah. 1091 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,920 We've got some fat chats, man. 1092 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,320 He's an awesome guy. 1093 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,160 And I'm-- 1094 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,520 Well, you guys are-- 1095 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,640 you guys are brothers of the middle country of England. 1096 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,200 That's so true. 1097 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,200 You know? 1098 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,200 So random. 1099 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,680 But yeah, he sees the legend, then. 1100 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,760 Yeah, you guys probably spent half your conversations, 1101 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,480 talking about football and making fun of the other guys. 1102 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,920 Team. 1103 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,160 I'm trying to get the million stats he's got locked up 1104 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,640 in that Jetson song. 1105 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,840 I think somebody got it already. 1106 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,840 Oh, man, Joe. 1107 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,240 He's just causing a bet. 1108 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:36,760 I'm not calling him up about that. 1109 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,640 I'm not calling him up. 1110 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,240 I don't know. 1111 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:39,080 I'm speculating. 1112 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,080 I'm speculating. 1113 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,720 We love you, Joe. 1114 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,520 Well, hey, listen. 1115 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,240 But before we play the last track of the show, 1116 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:51,640 which is going to be SPC, do you have anything else you want 1117 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,360 to add anything? 1118 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,600 Oh, let me ask you one question. 1119 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,120 Oh, yeah. 1120 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,360 Let me ask you one question. 1121 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,800 What-- how do you sell this to musicians? 1122 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,720 How do you-- like, how did you get-- 1123 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:06,720 [INAUDIBLE] 1124 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:07,040 --face? 1125 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,040 Like, if you run a car, a great hip-hop artist, 1126 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,160 a great neo-fool artist, and Tanzania, 1127 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,280 and you're like, dude, you're not making any money on Spotify. 1128 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,880 Let me tell you about something else. 1129 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,080 Like, how do you sell it? 1130 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,560 How do you sell it? 1131 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,120 Yeah, I kid you not. 1132 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,320 We were in the staff room, so I'm working in a school setting 1133 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,160 with E-Nid, and then-- 1134 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,920 and in a few of them, it was E-Nid, Modizo, 1135 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,320 and not the guy Kochi, if you be an easy guy, 1136 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,680 is a great artist as well. 1137 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,520 And they were quite proudly talking about their Spotify 1138 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,040 and what was going on there. 1139 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,840 And I just let them talk about it. 1140 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,840 And I was just like, until they kind of run out of steam, 1141 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,040 I was like, listen, what if I told you 1142 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,000 that you could put your song, whatever song you got, 1143 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,720 you could put it on a place, and you could get paid immediately 1144 00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,280 for it. 1145 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,600 And then the eyes check up. 1146 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,960 Because right now, I know-- 1147 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,080 Yeah, because then right now, I know whatever spins you get 1148 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,800 is going to take 90 days for it to reflect 1149 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,360 to your account on top of that. 1150 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1151 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,680 And then how much you get for one spin? 1152 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,680 Oh, man. 1153 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,160 Like, it's like 0.44 cents. 1154 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,840 And like, OK. 1155 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,080 So how about-- how about-- 1156 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,400 let me tell you something about this. 1157 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,560 And then I was-- my wave of leg was popping at the time. 1158 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,600 And so, yeah. 1159 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,600 So I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- 1160 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,600 I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- 1161 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:32,760 but you get what you give. 1162 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,360 And I think that-- I think that was another thing. 1163 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,960 I think even you talked about was the artist about, 1164 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,080 even just loud and-- and ANSly. 1165 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,480 I remember the comments. 1166 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,200 I remember ANSly-- she would-- 1167 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,680 she would-- she would like-- 1168 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,280 she would respond to every comment on that she got. 1169 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,960 She would respond to me like three times. 1170 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,240 I wrote like, how great her songs were and stuff like that. 1171 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,760 Like, that interaction and, you know, the thing 1172 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,000 like, you build your reputation on there. 1173 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,040 And you can't do that like that on Spotify. 1174 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,360 I don't know who listened to my track. 1175 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,720 I don't know if they liked it or not. 1176 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,400 Yeah, you can. 1177 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,720 I don't know who it was. 1178 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:09,480 But right now, I can see-- I can see there. 1179 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,560 It was Joe Martin. 1180 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,480 And he used to drop me 25,000 sats. 1181 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,640 He's got a fat term sometimes. 1182 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,000 I don't know about it. 1183 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,120 But I appreciate it. 1184 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,040 And then-- but that's what I'm saying. 1185 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,000 So that you can cultivate that. 1186 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,240 You can cultivate that. 1187 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,120 So that's what I love about it. 1188 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,960 And then learning about it, they appreciate it. 1189 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,880 I'm like, I don't know, I think. 1190 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,920 We kind of got a lot of sats because we were kind of on your 1191 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,400 cocktail. 1192 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,600 And I'm like, it is what it is. 1193 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:37,760 I'm doing my best. 1194 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,960 And let's work together. 1195 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,080 And let's try and promote each other. 1196 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,800 So that's my goal for 2024 to get a team of us here-- 1197 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,360 me, Staphrick Tanzania, Staphricka. 1198 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,080 Kivinia, I've already spoke to her as well. 1199 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,520 As soon as I was tracking her-- 1200 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,040 God, I love Kivinia. 1201 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:52,800 She's so good. 1202 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,040 She's in here to track. 1203 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,760 I was hounding her email. 1204 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,000 I told the joint nurse there. 1205 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,000 I told her-- and I was just like-- 1206 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,240 yeah, had to chat with her as well. 1207 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,520 And just amazing, man. 1208 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,400 I was just like, wow. 1209 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,200 Like, yeah, we got some special people coming out of East 1210 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:07,680 Africa. 1211 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,000 So yeah, that's how I sold it to them as well. 1212 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,000 So just told them about the community aspect of it. 1213 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,480 And they dig it. 1214 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,200 She's Kivinia's just lovely. 1215 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,600 I had such a wonderful conversation. 1216 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,120 Absolutely. 1217 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:22,920 That was a great show. 1218 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,400 That was a great show. 1219 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,240 Abihana is another one. 1220 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,440 I don't know exactly where she's at. 1221 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:34,600 But her song "Far Away" with Femi-- 1222 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,680 I love that track. 1223 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,960 And I just-- and I love her voice. 1224 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,360 I-- you know, it's interesting. 1225 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,080 When I talk to artists over here, 1226 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,400 when I try to onboard artists over here in the states, 1227 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,320 they get turned off by Bitcoin. 1228 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:55,760 And I think it's probably because in many respects, 1229 00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:01,160 they're too comfortable with our financial systems here, 1230 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,600 which, you know, yet you talked earlier 1231 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,640 about the inflation where in 2013, it was a dollar 1232 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:08,920 to 1,500 shillings. 1233 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,400 And now it's up to 2,500 shillings. 1234 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,040 We haven't had that level of inflation here, of course. 1235 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,960 But when you bring up Bitcoin to musicians here, 1236 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,800 it's still a scary thing. 1237 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,160 And I think-- and I was thinking about this this morning 1238 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,800 when I was on my walk. 1239 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,680 I think it's because they don't understand 1240 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:37,040 how precarious that the financial system can be. 1241 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,280 And they kind of look at our financial system 1242 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,840 as like a necessary evil that's just a nuisance. 1243 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,760 They don't look at it as like, hey, man, 1244 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,520 this is a serious problem. 1245 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,200 I-- you know, they're so fortunate to live in this country 1246 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,880 that they just take the challenges for what they are 1247 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,720 and they don't investigate them further. 1248 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,600 And they don't realize that these are major financial issues, 1249 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:08,280 these sovereignty issues, are critical to anybody. 1250 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,840 I don't care if you're in a developing country, 1251 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,880 or if you're in the States or UK. 1252 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,160 And they just kind of dismiss Bitcoin 1253 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:27,600 as kind of like monopoly money or play money. 1254 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,600 So I try to focus not on the-- 1255 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,720 I try not to mention Bitcoin at all. 1256 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,920 And I just talk about a new revenue stream, revenue stream, 1257 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,240 revenue stream. 1258 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,520 And as you said, getting paid instantly-- 1259 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:43,200 Yeah, yeah. 1260 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,080 And to the community, yeah, community aspect of it too, 1261 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,960 because yeah, I mean, like every set that I've got, 1262 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,120 like I said, this whole value for value thing, 1263 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,920 like it just makes sense. 1264 01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,800 Like it makes sense that I've contributed my time, my effort, 1265 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,000 my energy, my talent, into focusing to a three-minute song, 1266 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,520 whatever the case may be. 1267 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,480 However long it took me to make that. 1268 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:14,040 And wherever you are in the world, which is the amazing part, 1269 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,720 wherever you are in the world, if you have Bitcoin 1270 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,680 and you're on the same rails as me, you can share something 1271 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,400 that is of value that we both respect and say that's of value. 1272 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,320 And you can share it with me. 1273 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,920 That just blows my mind. 1274 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,200 That's why climbing Kylip Mangerro is my case study 1275 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:32,920 to talk to people. 1276 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,160 I'm like, you might want to build an orphanage. 1277 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,680 You might want to build something else. 1278 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:42,400 I just climbed Kylip and I raised whatever about $1,000 to do so. 1279 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,920 You could do something even more impactful for a community 1280 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,880 by and get support from around the world, peer-to-peer. 1281 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,560 That blows my mind. 1282 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,280 I'm like, that's what I'm about. 1283 01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:00,840 And that's what I want to encourage and share the part of it. 1284 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,280 But I appreciate what you say. 1285 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,760 If you're in a place that-- 1286 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,800 I'll just keep it real in my house, man. 1287 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:07,880 We didn't have water. 1288 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,080 There was something wrong with the water line for two, three days. 1289 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,600 I had to go shower with my neighbor's house 1290 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,200 because it was an issue. 1291 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,160 I turned on my taps and there was no water. 1292 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,200 I've had power outages here multiple times. 1293 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,160 So over Christmas, I had to use the generator. 1294 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,360 These are the things that kind of happen for us on this side, 1295 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,360 the day to day, and a normal twist. 1296 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,800 And then when we hear something like a Bitcoin thing, 1297 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,960 or something like that, they'll be grabbed with two hands 1298 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,240 because it's not a straight line here. 1299 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,000 It's up and down, peaks and valleys, a lot more. 1300 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:50,600 It's not a stable power, water, just roads, just infrastructure, 1301 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:51,600 just all those things. 1302 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,320 When you-- I've had an opportunity in my life 1303 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,960 to witness and live in both sides. 1304 01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,800 And I can grab it with both hands. 1305 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,240 I can see that I'm very blessed and very fortunate 1306 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,920 to experience and acknowledge that this is an opportunity. 1307 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,080 And that's why I want to share it with the people around me, 1308 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,840 especially here in Tanzania. 1309 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,360 Well said, because you've seen life and society 1310 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,720 from both sides of the coin from having lived in the middle 1311 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,920 country to being intangible. 1312 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,320 I mean, to sum it up, I guess, Americans-- 1313 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,240 and I won't pick on Canadians or anybody in the UK. 1314 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,680 But I'll pick on America because it deserves it. 1315 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,480 They are-- they're so privileged and-- 1316 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,080 but lazy at the same time. 1317 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:49,520 They don't recognize how valuable this is. 1318 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,360 They are willing to accept the flaws of this economy 1319 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:59,080 as just an inconvenience because of where America stands, 1320 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,800 financially, with the rest of the world. 1321 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:07,360 But they're not willing to look into the faults 1322 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,680 of our financial system to understand 1323 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,040 how valuable Bitcoin is. 1324 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:18,640 They're so-- it hurts me to know in how 1325 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,600 privileged and lazy Americans are. 1326 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:28,320 And that's going to be an unpopular statement that might get 1327 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,680 me some hate mail, but bring it, screw it. 1328 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:36,800 You know, like we have an obligation to help our fellow man. 1329 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,400 We have an obligation because we're all in this together. 1330 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,200 I don't give a damn about borders. 1331 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,760 I don't give a damn about-- about any of that stuff. 1332 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,640 We are all in this together, and we've 1333 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,160 got to help each other out to make this place a better 1334 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,480 for the next generation. 1335 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,280 And people like you are actually making a difference. 1336 01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,360 When you have every reason in the world to be selfish and do 1337 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,680 it all for yourself because of where you are and what you're 1338 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,480 trying to do just for your wife and your family. 1339 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,800 But here you are out there doing it for others, man. 1340 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,360 And yet you're an inspiration. 1341 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,920 And it's stunning. 1342 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,160 Appreciate it. 1343 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,480 And I just want to compliment as well in the sense that isn't 1344 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,680 amazing that you can be there in Nashville and Amian Tanzania. 1345 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,320 And there is a way you can support me. 1346 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,720 And vice versa. 1347 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,720 Isn't that just cool? 1348 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,360 That there's a way that-- 1349 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,200 hey, don, his $5,000 with his $5,000 in fact. 1350 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,320 And you know, you can go to something that would make an impact 1351 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,120 in the community beyond where you are. 1352 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,680 That's just-- that's just bug my mind, man. 1353 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,680 And that's what's so cool about it. 1354 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:53,640 And that's who we are. 1355 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:54,640 Here we are. 1356 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,840 And here we are talking about it. 1357 01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,640 And here we are doing something about it. 1358 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:03,480 So I think that's the opportunity when we can-- when those 1359 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,400 can wake up and say, hey, man, it might be a hunky-dory ram. 1360 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,240 But let me look and see how I can-- 1361 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,440 I don't have to get on a plane. 1362 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,720 I can just find a wallet and forward it 1363 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,400 to something and contribute to someone like Paco going 1364 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,480 around the world. 1365 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,280 And you know, I've got my friends, Guerrilla Satson, Uganda, 1366 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,160 Brendan, I've got Master Guantai and Duin, 1367 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,040 Dick Koyne and Tony and Nairobi, Dick Koyne, 1368 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,240 Dadda, Marcel, you've got KG, you've 1369 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,800 doing much in Cura, you've got-- 1370 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,920 you've got Oken doing easy Sats in the Mibbia. 1371 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,760 I can go on and on and on about these amazing people here 1372 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,120 in Africa doing things for their community to just get them 1373 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,000 out of this matrix and just get them on board. 1374 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,360 So yeah, I appreciate that brothers 1375 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,440 insisted they were doing their part here 1376 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,560 and encouraged me to do it too. 1377 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,800 Now, on the Learning Orchard website, 1378 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,400 is there a lightning address or is there a way people 1379 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,840 can send Bitcoin to the Learning Orchard directly? 1380 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,080 That isn't, you know? 1381 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,880 And that's on me because I'm slash operations for them. 1382 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:18,600 And you're initiating me to have that conversation. 1383 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,640 So right now, no. 1384 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:21,140 OK. 1385 01:07:21,140 --> 01:07:25,320 But if anything gets sent to proof of work academy 1386 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,640 and gets tagged as Learning Orchard, then it will go to them too. 1387 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,640 So if worst comes to worst, you can go to the guys 1388 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,440 of funds, Poir address, and we can wire it to them. 1389 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,200 But I need to get them set up ASAP. 1390 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:41,720 OK. 1391 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:42,080 Cool. 1392 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,400 Well, Quex, thanks. 1393 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,680 This has been a lot of fun. 1394 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,840 This has been a lot of fun. 1395 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,520 Oh, man. 1396 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,200 Yeah, we're going to-- 1397 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,520 Go ahead. 1398 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,440 Malasha is too rock. 1399 01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,840 And the team at Stempster, I would not 1400 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,680 be here without them, too. 1401 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,320 That protocol, that format on things, blow my mind. 1402 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,440 I get to collaborate with the most amazing people, 1403 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,120 musicians around the world, and make an album. 1404 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,840 So thank you so much to them. 1405 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,280 Hold tight, all those guys at Stempster. 1406 01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,080 And I'm truly, truly grateful for that as well. 1407 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,080 I'm going to drop into the song in there, actually, tonight. 1408 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,320 So it's fun. 1409 01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,160 Fantastic. 1410 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,160 All right. 1411 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:34,800 And I'll put a link to Stempster in the chapter 1412 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,880 so people can go right into it. 1413 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,120 And with that said, we will wrap it up, 1414 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:46,880 and you will take us out with SPC. 1415 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,160 Big Plum Chain. 1416 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:53,160 Man, I really hope we can meet in person someday. 1417 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,160 Very much so. 1418 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:54,960 Very much so. 1419 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:55,480 Me too. 1420 01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:57,200 All right, well, hang on the line a second, 1421 01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,480 and we'll let the song kick off. 1422 01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:01,120 But appreciate you coming on. 1423 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,920 Here we go. 1424 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,840 Let's say straight Plum Chain. 1425 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,520 Yeah, straight Plum Chain. 1426 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,520 Yeah. 1427 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:09,520 [MUSIC 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1506 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1507 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1508 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1509 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1510 01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1511 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1512 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1513 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1514 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1515 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1516 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1517 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1518 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1519 01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1520 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1521 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1522 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1523 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1524 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1525 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1526 01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:33,100 I know a sup that courage see your eye Will reach the end of the month, that's why I bank with bitcoin 1527 01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:40,440 I'm telling everybody here, just check the stats it's been 15 years 1528 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:43,780 My life quakes 1529 01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:46,080 By the way, is Newtra's set 1530 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:51,820 we're on the top, or what what's the name of that? 1531 01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:53,680 We on top 1532 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,760 Wow, what an inspirational guy 1533 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:08,760 You know, I could sit here and just like keep redoing the chapters and coming up with different points of interest in that whole interview 1534 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:13,800 I'm just so impressed by him and I'm so thankful that I got a chance to talk to him 1535 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:21,800 So if you're interested in supporting what he is doing with the proof of work academy 1536 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:29,800 Please take a minute to go back into whatever app you're on like fountain or podverse 1537 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:35,800 and go to the show notes because I'm going to put a link in there to the proof of work academy to the Geyser Fund 1538 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,800 there where you can donate 1539 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:47,800 I will also put a link to the learningorcher.sc.tz so that you can find it there and support them 1540 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:55,800 I'm going to also try and find a way to put a link to what he's doing over on Stemster 1541 01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:03,800 Yeah, so that's it. What a great guy follow him on Noster and support him all you can 1542 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:10,800 Really amazing stories coming from what he's doing philanthropically with his organizations, with his music 1543 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,800 And just a sweetheart, man, just a sweetheart 1544 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:24,800 So that'll do it that is Phantom Power Artist Hour Episode 5 featuring the one and only men like Quacks 1545 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:32,800 And next up I think we got Enid coming up next week and then I got one of the Dwarfals 1546 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:39,800 We're playing an email tag and also going to be doing that band out of Texas FM rodeo 1547 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:45,800 So that's going to be fun looking forward to those guys too. Thank you to everybody who's sending in stats and supporting the shows 1548 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:53,800 Don't forget to check out Phantom Power Business Hour as well as the Music Hour and the Music Review 1549 01:14:53,800 --> 01:15:00,800 Huge mouches, gracias to Dobidoss with RSS Blue for all the help he's doing behind the scenes 1550 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:06,800 As well as Adam and Dave Jones and everything they have done in the podcasting 2.0 world 1551 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:13,800 That'll do it, that's the show, peace out, Mouches Crossius and do not forget to smile for your mugshot 1552 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,800 Bye 1553 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:24,800 [Music] 1554 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,780 [Pause]