1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:14,360 Hello everybody, welcome back to Phantom Power Music. 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,840 This is the inaugural episode 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,720 of the Phantom Power Artist Power. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,440 I was gonna do it as a business hour, 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,400 but you know, if it's gonna be all about the artists 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,560 and we're gonna be interviewing artists, 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,120 then it should be called the artist hour. 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,440 So, lo and behold, this is a new show for us. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,080 And we are really excited about having Mr. Joe Martin 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:44,280 from Lancashire, Lancashire UK, 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,040 I like every American, I'm screwing up 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,560 all the pronunciations of beautiful British towns. 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,080 I'm sure Joe will tell us how to properly pronounce it. 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,520 But we're gonna be talking to Joe Martin 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,040 about his journey into music, his journey into Bitcoin, 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,280 about how somebody from the UK was able to develop 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800 a country sound and Americana sound, 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,800 how he found his footing and all of that. 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,440 And hopefully we'll be talking about Bitcoin and value 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,360 for value and all that kind of fun stuff. 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,160 But before we get into that, 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,040 let's check out one of his songs, 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,400 called Money for the Needy. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,000 We'll listen to the track and then we'll bring Joe into the show. 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,360 So, thank you all for joining us. 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,320 Let's check out this track by Joe Martin, 28 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:31,160 called Money for the Needy, and then we'll bring him on. 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,160 Let's check it out. 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,240 (gentle guitar music) 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:48,400 ♪ He said money for the need ♪ 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,200 ♪ He'd be to hear my story ♪ 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,200 ♪ I wasn't mad like you not too long ago ♪ 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,200 ♪ I said sorry sir, move out my way ♪ 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,360 ♪ I got a need in it, I'm running late ♪ 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,800 ♪ And I drove home by, didn't hesitate ♪ 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,640 ♪ Or even looking in the eye ♪ 38 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:15,120 ♪ I don't know why I did a stop while ♪ 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,040 ♪ Hearing my heart even giving smiles ♪ 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,160 ♪ Too cold up in my own life ♪ 41 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,560 ♪ My job, my house, my kids, my wife ♪ 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,560 ♪ I didn't need to give more kindness to be had ♪ 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:35,000 ♪ And money for the need ♪ 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:49,600 ♪ With the same old money, more than I got caught into the office ♪ 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,680 ♪ I said sorry sir, we got to let you go ♪ 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,160 ♪ I said so, it's when he hears means nothing ♪ 47 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,000 ♪ Water my supposed to tear my wife and kids ♪ 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 ♪ When I get back home ♪ 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,240 ♪ So I stung the fat, the local bar ♪ 50 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,000 ♪ I sat around till it got dark ♪ 51 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,120 ♪ Bartender said, "This won'ts on me." ♪ 52 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,800 ♪ I said I keep my pride, you can keep your your pitted ♪ 53 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,000 ♪ 'Cause I need a broken, I'm no charity ♪ 54 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 ♪ The same money for the need ♪ 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:40,280 ♪ Wife and I will shout all night ♪ 56 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,080 ♪ Keep the kids up, but with our fights ♪ 57 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,800 ♪ About the most and the thing ♪ 58 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,040 ♪ The most and the money ♪ 59 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,720 ♪ I said money, try to do my best ♪ 60 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,320 ♪ When she could do smell the whiskey on my bed ♪ 61 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,320 ♪ Can see it in my eyes, I'd keep it up morning ♪ 62 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,320 ♪ She called the children downstairs, they're in there ♪ 63 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,000 ♪ Tracked them to the corner, lived in a blazing dust ♪ 64 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,000 ♪ Linger than the knife ♪ 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,080 ♪ And I was a limer on my hands and knees ♪ 66 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,880 ♪ The crying I could hold and breathe ♪ 67 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,880 ♪ I never thought this could ever happen to me ♪ 68 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:34,720 ♪ Eventually I lost the house, I couldn't make the rent ♪ 69 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,080 ♪ So I moved out to sofers, I've all friends ♪ 70 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,080 ♪ And then a park ranch ♪ 71 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,960 ♪ Well some people ain't got so much, I swear ♪ 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,200 ♪ And give a damn or even care ♪ 73 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,200 ♪ When I was holding up my hand, this color window ♪ 74 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:03,760 ♪ And I said money for the need ♪ 75 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,480 ♪ You came to hear my story ♪ 76 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,480 ♪ I wasn't mad like you, not too long ago ♪ 77 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,520 ♪ And he said, "Sover, sir, move out my way, I got a meeting in it ♪ 78 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,760 ♪ Running late, then you drove on by, didn't hesitate ♪ 79 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,760 ♪ And we've all been made in the hour ♪ 80 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,000 - All right, so that's money for the needy 81 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,600 and on the line is Mr. Joe Martin. 82 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,240 What's up, Joe? How are you, buddy? 83 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,120 - I'm good to know. Thanks for having me. How are you doing? 84 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,120 - I'm doing well for a Sunday afternoon in Nashville. 85 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,400 Now tell me, how bad did I butcher? 86 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Is it Lancashire? Lancashire? Lancashire? 87 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,080 What is it? 88 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,520 - It's Lancashire, if you're from Lancashire, 89 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,880 or it's Lancashire, if you're from the States. 90 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:58,880 (laughing) 91 00:05:58,880 --> 00:05:59,960 - Lancashire? 92 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:01,240 - You did fine, you did good. 93 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,080 You did good. 94 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,120 - Well, I'm from Mobile, it's Lancashire. 95 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,120 - Yeah. - I love it. 96 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,720 - Hey, I mean, 97 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,680 I always love hearing artists such as yourself 98 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,680 who aren't from here, 99 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:20,320 really attaching themselves to Americana into country. 100 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,560 So how did you get into it? 101 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Like take us back to the beginning of your, 102 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,800 how you got into music and how you landed 103 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,160 into Americana and Country. 104 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,080 - Yeah, well, the kind of brief story is, 105 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,320 I started doing music when I was really young, 106 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,080 maybe about five or six years old, 107 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,680 and I started singing lessons and piano lessons. 108 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,520 And I studied with a great teacher 109 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,400 and I did all the classical stuff first, 110 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,720 which was a great foundation to start with. 111 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,920 And then in my teens, I picked up the guitar 112 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,760 for the first time, acoustic guitar. 113 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,760 My dad plays guitar, so he taught me a few chords 114 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,000 and that sort of got me on my way. 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,840 And I'd always been fascinated with songwriting, 116 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:09,760 and I knew I wanted to write songs, 117 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,760 but I didn't really have enough life experience 118 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,200 in my teens to write anything worth listening to. 119 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,640 - It was hard break songs, right? 120 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,680 - Yeah, yeah, so. 121 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,400 And then I was kind of writing kind of focus stuff. 122 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,840 And I mean, I was influenced heavily, 123 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,480 I listened to my parents record collection, 124 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,400 which was like all '60s and '70s stuff. 125 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,040 But it was really when I was sort of 18, 19, 126 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,800 and had enough to music college 127 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,040 that I really got into country music properly. 128 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,720 And that was through the show Nashville, 129 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:44,560 which I'm sure you-- 130 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,880 (laughing) 131 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,600 - Actually, it's funny 'cause a lot of like UK artists 132 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,840 that are in the country seeing they all cite 133 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,920 that show as being a big moment to them, to get into it. 134 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,120 Like more of the modern country, especially. 135 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,560 So that's really what got me hooked. 136 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,080 And then I started discovering new 137 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:08,080 a more contemporary country artist and writing in that style. 138 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,440 And I love the lyric side of it. 139 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,320 I'm a lyricist, and I love the storytelling. 140 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,320 And really like the storytelling 141 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,240 that's kind of very plain English, no fancy words, 142 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,480 but they tell a really detailed and descriptive 143 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,560 and compelling story. 144 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,800 And that's what I loved about it. 145 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,760 And then, you know, ever since watching the show, 146 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,840 I was watching it every week religiously 147 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,240 and I wanted to go out to Nashville. 148 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,240 So as soon as I finished college, I was like, 149 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,600 right, I'm gonna go. 150 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,760 And I went out there for the first time in 2016. 151 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,640 Didn't know anyone or anything like that. 152 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,400 And I loved it. 153 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,400 And then the next year, I got a message from the Bluebird Cafe, 154 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,720 'cause I've given a friend of mine a demo tape to take in. 155 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,400 - Yeah. 156 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,400 - CD. 157 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,400 (laughing) 158 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,400 - So I did it. 159 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,240 - Take in. 160 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,360 And they got in touch with me. 161 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,000 And I thought it was a joke or something. 162 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,240 I was like, I've forgotten that I'd given it to this CD. 163 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,920 This was my friend Terry, who I stayed with 164 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,560 in my first trip out there, family friend. 165 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:15,040 And then, no, it was legit. 166 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,000 So I was like, all right, I've gotta go back. 167 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,840 - Yeah. 168 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,560 - So I went back and played the show at the Bluebird 169 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,400 and met some more cool people and, you know, 170 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,200 had another great trip. 171 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,760 And then I went out for the last time in 2018. 172 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,360 And yeah, ever since I've been, you know, writing 173 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,840 and like, gigging mainly over here in the UK. 174 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,520 And I've done a few gigs in Europe recently, 175 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,440 but it's mainly been the UK. 176 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,440 And... 177 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,720 - Yeah, you were just over in Holland last weekend, weren't you? 178 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,040 - Yeah, yeah, a few gigs in Holland, the Netherlands. 179 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,640 And that was support in another band. 180 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:52,480 - Oh good. 181 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:53,320 - There were good numbers, you know, 182 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,920 there were good shows, you know, 183 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,520 good crowds to play in front of them. 184 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,240 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 185 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,400 - One of those, those guys. 186 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,640 - It's funny that you mentioned the show Nashville 187 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,800 because a lot of people who have been here for, you know, 188 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,880 10, 15, 20 years or longer, their whole life, 189 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,880 like they say it's that show that really 190 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:19,320 pushed Nashville to the forefront of music in the States. 191 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,480 I mean, it's always been music city, right? 192 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,320 And actually it was Queen Victoria, 193 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,520 who named it music city, who gave it to nickname. 194 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,760 - All right, to know that. 195 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,520 - Yeah, there was an African American gospel group 196 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,360 that came over and dammit, forgive me 197 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,680 because I forget the name of the university 198 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,200 that they were from here in Nashville, 199 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,600 but they went over and sung for the Queen and she was 200 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,000 enthralled in named it music city. 201 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,960 But yeah, the show Nashville kind of has like a dirty 202 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,080 connotation to it, like everybody knows that's the reason why 203 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,480 it, why the city kind of took off. 204 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,200 But I will tell you from a personal perspective, 205 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,560 like during the pandemic, that was my, 206 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,000 like I watched every episode of that 207 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,400 and I watched every episode of Tiger King. 208 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,240 - Right, like no shame, right? 209 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,800 - I don't know what the hell, I have nothing to do. 210 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,800 But dude, you have the vibe of it down. 211 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,800 I love the point that you were just making about lyrics 212 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,240 because the story you tell in Money for the Needy, 213 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,760 the song we just heard is absolutely right on 214 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,400 and it's very synonymous still with what's going on right now. 215 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,520 Not over here with the economy over here, 216 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,120 but I'm sure it's the same in the UK. 217 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,200 But also with born to die young, 218 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,520 like just great lyrics and great storytelling. 219 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,520 So I agree with you, like you are passionate about the lyrics 220 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,000 and you do a hell of a job with them 221 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,680 and you nailed the vibe too. 222 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:03,680 Like you got a good Americana Laurel Canyon Nashville music vibe. 223 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:08,880 So kudos man, nice job. 224 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,640 - Yeah, I've tried to, 225 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,280 well, I've drawn from all my influences, 226 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,840 which is yeah, that Laurel Canyon sound, 227 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,760 and I'm a big James Taylor fan 228 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,280 and I'm a King fan all that stuff. 229 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,200 But I've tried to kind of put my own stamp on it 230 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,880 and I don't try and write from an American perspective. 231 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,600 I write about universal topic anyone can relate to. 232 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,480 - You can't write from a perspective that isn't your own 233 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,560 in Be Be honest. 234 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:41,160 - I'm so good to try and it doesn't work if you don't live 235 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,480 that life, I think. 236 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,320 - Yeah, I mean, it would be like if I tried to write songs 237 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,560 about being a woman, it wouldn't stick. 238 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:49,760 - Yeah, 'cause I don't, I don't, right? 239 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,040 I'm like, I have an idea 'cause I'm married. 240 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,160 (laughing) 241 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,320 Yeah, I miss. 242 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,240 So let me ask you, just from my years of writing 243 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,800 and from the work that I did in LA 244 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,200 and the work that I've done here, 245 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,000 as far as your writing process goes, 246 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,840 do you write lyrics first or do you write music first? 247 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,720 - I never know, that's one's a discussion 248 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,200 'cause it's everything really. 249 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,800 I sometimes write the lyrics first 250 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,600 or sometimes write the melody first. 251 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,880 I think it's best when both come together to be honest. 252 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,280 - Yeah. 253 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,560 - Well, that's quite rare, but I don't really know. 254 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:28,760 I think if I, if I'm going into a co-write, 255 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,640 I will have a few ideas, a lyrical ideas mainly. 256 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,480 - Yeah. 257 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,880 - There's like a theme to write about 258 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,360 and maybe the hook, like the chorus hook, 259 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,200 that's the thing in Nashville, 260 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,760 I feel like a lot of the time I've written out there 261 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,560 with people, they start like a clever turn of phrase. 262 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,320 That's kind of a common turn of phrase, 263 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,080 they twisted it round, but they've done something clever with it. 264 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,440 And then you kind of like working back, 265 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,960 like piecing the puzzle together from there. 266 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:56,800 - Yeah. 267 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:57,480 - That's great in a co-write, 268 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,760 'cause that's just a good anchor to start from. 269 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,320 But you've got a bit more freedom when you're writing 270 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,520 on your own, to how you go about it, where you start. 271 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:06,360 - Yeah. 272 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,720 - I quite like writing without an instrument. 273 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,240 I don't do enough of that. 274 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,120 - Really? 275 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,200 - Yeah, like I think my best ideas come when I've not got 276 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,360 a guitar or my hand, or a piano or anything, 277 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,280 it's like when I'm driving somewhere 278 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,040 or doing some sort of mundane task, 279 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,400 and I'm either listening to music 280 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,680 or I've just been listening to music 281 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,920 and there's ideas going around in my head. 282 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,120 Because you're not kind of soon, 283 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,640 I feel as soon as you pick up an instrument, 284 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,800 sometimes that can constrain you a bit. 285 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,560 It that directs the melody rather than the melody 286 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,840 finding its own path. 287 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,360 - So, yeah, that's a great point. 288 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,520 That's a great point. 289 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,680 - Yeah, I have, I mean, I've pretty much retired 290 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,080 from writing, so to speak, but I was always a music first, 291 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,040 type of thing, 'cause I always wanted to know 292 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,600 like where the beat was gonna fall, 293 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,600 and then like once I had the music done, 294 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,040 then I would be able to slip the lyrics into the process. 295 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,280 And I don't know if it's right or it's wrong, 296 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,520 it just works for me, but I've always enjoyed asking 297 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,200 other musicians and other songwriters, 298 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,720 "Hey, are you music first or are you lyric first?" 299 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,640 But you're the, honestly, man, you're the first person 300 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,440 I've ever spoken to who's like, "Yeah, sometimes it's like, 301 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,440 I don't even, like, I like not having an instrument around me." 302 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,920 That's an interesting perspective. 303 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,680 I hadn't thought of it that way. 304 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,680 So, yeah, tell me, like the co-writing thing, 305 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,520 co-writing here in Nashville is huge, right? 306 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,080 Like for those who don't know, for those who are listening, 307 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,520 like you get together with two or three people, 308 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,200 somebody's got an idea, you pound out a song in three hours, 309 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,360 and then you jump across town and you do another co-writing, right? 310 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,200 - Yeah. - Yeah. 311 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,560 Are you doing that over in the UK? 312 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Are you doing it the Zoom? 313 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,720 Like how are you doing it? 314 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,480 - There was a bit of a co-writing thing over here, 315 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,720 but nowhere near the same level is in Nashville. 316 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,680 Yeah, I found it really interesting. 317 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,920 There were some people that I wrote without that 318 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,240 that said they'd only ever done co-writes, 319 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,360 like they'd never written on their own, 320 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,800 which I found really interesting. 321 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,040 But no, it's crazy. 322 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Like over there, you can even, 323 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,720 I think I even wrote my song with my Uber driver. 324 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Not while I was getting taken somewhere. 325 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,320 (laughing) 326 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,600 But he was like, "Oh, I write songs as well, are we?" 327 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,240 Yeah, but you can write a song, 328 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,480 you just, the guy that's pulling your pint at the bars, 329 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,320 probably a songwriter, and you throw a stone, 330 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,000 you hit a songwriter, it's so-- 331 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,760 - Yeah, it'll hit two songwriters before it hits the ground. 332 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,680 - Yeah. - It's great. 333 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,520 - But that's funny. 334 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,640 That's funny now, you get picked up at the airport 335 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,000 from an Uber driver and you're like, 336 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,560 "Hey man, take me over to Grimeys, 337 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,760 and we got 20 minutes, let's write a hook." 338 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,520 (laughing) 339 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,360 - Exactly, no. 340 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,520 - It's crazy, I asked some great co-writes out there, 341 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,600 and the thing about it out there is it's like, 342 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,560 you could meet someone for the first time 343 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,040 and you're into a co-writing session, 344 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,640 and it doesn't feel weird. 345 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,640 Whereas over here, I feel like if you were just to write 346 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,800 with someone that you'd never really met or got to know, 347 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,280 it would be kind of strange, 348 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,960 but over there, it's just like normal. 349 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,800 I've written a few songs of people 350 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,080 that I met for the first time 351 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,880 and got some good songs out of it as well, so. 352 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,880 - Well here's something I just thought about. 353 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Have you found that writing with American writers 354 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,800 is a bit more honest and forgive me for these adjectives, 355 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,160 but is a bit more honest and soul-searching 356 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,520 than writing with somebody from the UK or Europe, 357 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,440 where culturally, folks from the UK 358 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,800 and Europe, they tend to hold in a little bit more 359 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,520 about their personal lives, right? 360 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,320 Whereas you meet an American for the first time 361 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,360 and in 15 minutes they'll be like, 362 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,280 "Well, you know, I'm an alcoholic, I got three kids in Denver, 363 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,440 and I lost my job last week, 364 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,600 and that got damn with the plummet." 365 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,880 The toilets leaking, Americans will tell you everything. 366 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,360 - Yeah, to be fair, maybe there are a bit less reserved 367 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:03,400 about Tony that you've got a bad idea, which is good in songwriting. 368 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,440 You need to just like cut the crap and just get to the goods, 369 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,880 feel to throw the bad ideas and not be afraid of saying 370 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,080 that it's a bad idea, 371 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,520 whereas we're a bit too polite over here about that. 372 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,280 But to be honest, I've not written enough 373 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,040 with people over here to actually make it fair comparison, 374 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,760 'cause most of my co-writes have actually been 375 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:22,960 when I've been in Nashville, 376 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,600 so 'cause I just plaque them in when I'm over there. 377 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,440 - Yeah. 378 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,520 Are you doing any co-writes still with folks over here? 379 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,840 Are you doing it via Zoom right now or? 380 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,800 - No, I've only ever done one Zoom right, 381 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,040 and I didn't like it. 382 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,720 I really do. - Oh yeah. 383 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,040 - Yeah, just could not get the connection. 384 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,680 It's not the same as being in the room with a person. 385 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,480 And maybe it was just, I don't know, a bad experience, 386 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,680 but I was like, no, I'm not a fan of this. 387 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,320 - I'm worth it. 388 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,960 - Yeah, it was okay, so we talked about writing. 389 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,360 Now let's talk about recording. 390 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,800 Where do you do your tracking now? 391 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:00,640 Are you tracking at home? 392 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,800 Are you tracking in studios? 393 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,640 Or where do you do the bulkier work? 394 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,480 - So it changes every time. 395 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,640 Like, I kind of want that every time I record something new, 396 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,360 I want it to be somewhere different, 397 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:16,000 and I want someone different to mix it as well. 398 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,840 Just because, I don't know, 399 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,400 I wanna try and get a different sound 400 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,560 out of every new release that I do. 401 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,520 But the album that I just done, 402 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,640 I was looking up to, well, I did half of it, 403 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,280 I did the rhythm section at the bass player 404 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,920 that I would go out with sometimes at his studio. 405 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,240 So we did all the drums and bass, some of the guitar 406 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,080 at his studio, and the rest was done at my manager's studio. 407 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,760 He's got home studio. 408 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:46,600 - Okay. 409 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,400 - And he's got some gorgeous microphones and everything, 410 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,960 and he just let me do things in my own pace, 411 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,240 and for free as well, which helped a lot. 412 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,800 - Oh God, yeah, that's huge. 413 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,320 Now, you're talking about the record, 414 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,080 empty passenger seat, right? 415 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:01,920 - Yeah, yeah. 416 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,120 - Okay, cool, yeah. 417 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,080 - So that was great because it kind of, 418 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,480 I feel like in the studio, 419 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,280 you do need a certain time pressure to get things done, 420 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,840 or you could just be sat round, 421 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,160 just at take 1,200 and whatever, 422 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,400 just keep going over and over, 423 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,200 and you can't decide what you wanna do. 424 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,520 So when you're looking at the clock, 425 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,720 and you've got a bit of time pressure, 426 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,000 it does kind of, it's good for making decisions. 427 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,280 So I felt that that worked well for the rhythm section, 428 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,760 but then when it came to me, 429 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,800 laying down my vocal parts and stuff, 430 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,800 I had the freedom to just try a lot of different things, 431 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,080 and just be really relaxed. 432 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,520 And I thought that worked well. 433 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,560 I thought that was a good compromise of recording style. 434 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,160 - Yeah, you can spend, God, 435 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,600 you can spend hours, days doing guitar parts, right? 436 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,320 And at some point, you just gotta go good enough, 437 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,680 it works, right? 438 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,520 - Yeah. 439 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,240 - And I don't mean that in the sense that 440 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,520 pro tools can clean it up, but like, 441 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,760 'cause you can sit there and come up with six great parts 442 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,640 for the same thing, and it's, you know, 443 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,640 but at the end of the day, for me personally, 444 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,720 like it's always gonna be about the lyrics and the vocal, 445 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,120 'cause it's always gonna be about the story. 446 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:13,960 I don't care what genre you're in. 447 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,400 I mean, of course, lyrics and the story are top 448 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,240 when it comes to Americana and Country. 449 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,960 Yeah, I mean, you can waste so much time in the studio, 450 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,160 it's not even funny. 451 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,760 - Yeah, and I'm a big fan of recording everything together, 452 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,560 if you can't, if you can get away with it, 453 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,240 and you've got the space to do it. 454 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,080 - Yeah. 455 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,160 - This is like when the musicians are vibing off each other, 456 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,920 and you've just got an energy that you can't capture 457 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,840 when you multitrack things. 458 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,680 - Yeah. 459 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,720 - I'm a big fan, it saves time, saves money, 460 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,880 and I think you get a better, you know, result at the end. 461 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,320 - Yeah, I agree with you. 462 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,280 I mean, I'm old school, you know, 463 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,840 I mean, I started when everything was, 464 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,560 was being recorded to tape. 465 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,800 I was in Los Angeles when the transition was being made 466 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,200 from tape over to Pro Tools, 467 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,080 and it was fascinating to see like Ocean Way and Capital, 468 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,600 and a lot of these studios like start to lose revenue. 469 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,040 And I mean, you know, the big ones are still around, 470 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,680 but a lot of the smaller ones went under, 471 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,840 and there's a lot of benefit, of course, 472 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,000 to do an everything digital, 473 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,000 but one of, to me, one of the biggest losses in that whole thing 474 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,840 is the live feel of it, you know, 475 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,760 just what you were just recording of. 476 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,280 And I still prefer the warmth of tape, 477 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,400 but it's, you know, in so many respects, 478 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,440 it's cost prohibitive now, you know. 479 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,280 - I know that's the thing. 480 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,200 I really wanna record to tape at some point, 481 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,600 but like you said, it's whether I can validate the cost of it, 482 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,720 and all that stuff. 483 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,720 - Yeah. 484 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,560 - Yeah. 485 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,400 - The hassle. 486 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,200 - Yeah, it'll, yeah, it'll, it'll, 487 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,600 I mean, you better be on your game, 488 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,920 you know, like you better have your parts, you know, down, 489 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,320 you know, have a really good idea because, 490 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,280 - Yeah, I didn't say. 491 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,040 - Yeah, I mean, tape doesn't lie, man, you know, 492 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,960 I mean, you know, you get some hotshot who just thinks 493 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,680 that they're, that they're amazing, 494 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,680 and, and you can fix a lot of their sloppy crap in pro tools, 495 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,400 but, they lay it down on tape and they suck, 496 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,280 tape doesn't lie, you know? 497 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,280 So, well, let's, let's talk about how you and I really 498 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,600 have found each other, and that's, you know, wave lake, 499 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,880 and, and Bitcoin and value for value. 500 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,920 And of course, and then we'll segue into what you got going on, 501 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,120 with your latest single, which is a, 502 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,760 not only is it a great song, 503 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,560 but it's also a brilliant marketing idea on your part. 504 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,560 But tell me how you got into Bitcoin and value for value 505 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,800 and wave lake, like just get, give me the, the start of it all. 506 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,880 - Yeah, so I've, I've been interested in, 507 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,680 in Bitcoin for a while, and I've been kind of, 508 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,760 listening to a lot of podcasts, 509 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,600 and I've been watching from the sidelines that, you know, 510 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,400 like the lightning network grow and all that kind of stuff, 511 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,280 in mature, and I kept hearing that, 512 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,760 this value for value term being used on these podcasts. 513 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,320 I think the first one I heard it was the Kevin Rook podcast 514 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,040 that covers everything, lightning related. 515 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,480 And, and then I got the fountain app, 516 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,680 and thought that was, you know, great experience 517 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,160 and started zapping, sending sets to these podcasts 518 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,040 that I was listening to. 519 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,240 And then I was kind of thinking like, 520 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,480 I feel like I'm missing out here. 521 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,200 I can't, well, I thought, is there not something similar 522 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,480 but for music? 523 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,480 'Cause I couldn't find anything that was similar 524 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,800 to fountain for music. 525 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,440 And I thought, right, well, the next song I'm gonna put out, 526 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,440 I wanna, I'm gonna put it out as a podcast episode on fountain. 527 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,520 And to see what happens. 528 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,440 And I remember reaching out to Kevin, 529 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,280 and other people and said, you know, 530 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,800 do you think this is a good idea? 531 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,920 Just asking their opinion, they said, yeah, like, 532 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,400 there's nothing stopping you from doing it. 533 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,400 It's RSS, it's open, it's just an MP3 file, 534 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,000 you can upload whatever you want, basically. 535 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,120 So I did that and I posted it to stack a news, 536 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,720 which is kind of like, I don't know. 537 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,640 - Stacker news? 538 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,640 - Stacker news, yeah. 539 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,880 - Yeah, yeah, I just signed up for them recently. 540 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,640 Okay, yeah, good idea. 541 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,560 - Yeah, and I just posted the idea on that. 542 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,760 And people love the idea. 543 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,360 And I don't know, I probably made like 80 or 100 pounds 544 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,320 like in the first couple of weeks of the song being out. 545 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,960 And that was like, that blew my mind 546 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,800 because I hadn't really made anything 547 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,760 from streaming services for that. 548 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,760 And not only that, but the money goes straight into your count, 549 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,760 well, into your wallet, and then you can just send that 550 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,560 wherever you want. 551 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,600 And I was like, okay, this is great. 552 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,720 And then shortly after that, 553 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,720 Sam from Wavelake reached out and said that they're building 554 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,960 this platform, but for music and I was like, right, 555 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,920 well, that's what I was wondering. 556 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,280 That was what I was looking for when I, 557 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,640 before I decided to put it up on Fountain. 558 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,000 So I jumped on the very earliest version of that 559 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,160 that they opened up to people. 560 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,160 And yeah, like, I was like, right, okay, from now on, 561 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,960 I'm just gonna release stuff early on Wavelake 562 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,440 and I'm gonna embrace it 563 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,440 and I'm gonna announce to everyone that 564 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,880 if they wanna listen to my music early, head to Wavelake. 565 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,520 I think I put my live album on Wavelake 566 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,560 because I was selling that just through my website 567 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,720 because so prior to my studio album, 568 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,600 I released a live album, which basically essentially 569 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,800 was to raise the funds to put towards the studio album. 570 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,480 So I only had physical copies of that 571 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000 because I was like, if I put this on Spotify, 572 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,280 like that's not the point, like the point is people 573 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,680 have to buy a physical copy if they want to support me. 574 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,840 So, and then, so after the studio album was recorded 575 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,800 and everything, I then put that up on Wavelake 576 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,480 but I've not put it on Spotify, I'm not going to. 577 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,040 So, like, so there's gonna be things that I do, 578 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,800 I might do an extended album in the future 579 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,520 and I'll put the extended version on Wavelake 580 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,440 and I won't put it on Spotify 581 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,000 and I'll be releasing everything early on Wavelake 582 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,400 because I think it's good, 583 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,440 and I wanna encourage other artists to do the same 584 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,800 where, you know, because it's gotta have to come from the artist 585 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,280 first to direct people and their fans over to Wavelake 586 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,880 'cause there's not much of an incentive for the listener, 587 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,800 the consumer of the music to switch 588 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,600 but there is a big incentive for the producer, 589 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,760 the music to try and get their fans over on Wavelake. 590 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,440 - Yeah, wow. 591 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,440 So you got into this before Wavelake and Wavelake found you. 592 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,480 - Yeah. - Yeah. 593 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,400 - You're old school, dude. 594 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,480 - Well, it's crazy how fast things move right 595 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,400 because this was only a year ago 596 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,600 that I had the song out and Wavelake, 597 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600 the main sort of platform came out in January, 598 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,840 I think, of this year. 599 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,120 So, if you see how far it's come in a year, 600 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,360 it's just insane. 601 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,960 And I don't know if you've had Charles to play with the iOS app 602 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,120 that they've been... 603 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:27,960 - I'm on it, I'm on it, enjoy it, 604 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,200 but my wife tells me it works great. 605 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,040 - Yeah. 606 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,200 (laughing) 607 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,600 - Yeah, I'm on it, I'm on it, I'm on it. 608 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,760 - Yeah, I am, right on. 609 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,120 - But yeah, it's just incredible how fast it's moving. 610 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,600 And even the amount of tracks that have been uploaded 611 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,200 on a daily basis now is kind of going, 612 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,160 looks like it's going as financial. 613 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,320 So that's great. 614 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,160 - Yeah. 615 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,720 - That's the point, it's already good. 616 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,480 - It's really fascinating. 617 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,080 I think, you know, we needed somebody like Wavelake 618 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,520 to come along and really create the opportunity 619 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,240 for artists such as yourselves. 620 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,240 I mean, we know that it's kind of happening in the Ethereum space 621 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,440 and that's a different show altogether. 622 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,760 You know, we could talk about that. 623 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,000 You know, I'll put some. 624 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,720 - I do, I don't follow any. 625 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,560 - Yeah, and I don't play, I mean, you know, 626 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,280 I know just enough to know that I'm not gonna get involved 627 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,120 in that. 628 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,120 But I love the strategy that you have there, 629 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,040 like, you know, going in the Bitcoin space first 630 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,440 and then, you know, releasing it out on the traditional DSPs. 631 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,040 And, you know, I pay attention to a lot of the bloggers 632 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,960 and podcasters around here in Nashville talking about songwriting 633 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,880 and course and royalty splits and all that kind of stuff. 634 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,920 And I think it like the timing of Wavelake 635 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,520 and the other providers that are coming online 636 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,720 for artists such as yourself to put their music up 637 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,920 in the Bitcoin space, like the time is now, 638 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,920 like it's going to absolutely fricking explode pretty soon. 639 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,360 - Yeah. 640 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240 There's so much hunger for it. 641 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,080 And it's like, people are just, 642 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,000 in like, so disenfranchised with how things have been 643 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,840 for so long that it's like, everyone's a solution. 644 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,200 Everyone knows what the problem is, 645 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,000 but no one knows seems to realize what the solution is yet. 646 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,840 - Yeah. 647 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,000 - That's how I feel about it. 648 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:19,840 It's funny. 649 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,840 It's kind of like, you know, I've been promoting Wavelake 650 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,160 to people that I gig with and I know and, you know, 651 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,560 my peers that are gigging on the scene over here. 652 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,600 And it's kind of really sad because when I explain it to them, 653 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,600 they're like, they don't understand the like, what's the catch? 654 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,560 Because the thing is, right, like if you want your music 655 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,640 on Spotify, you have to go through a distributor. 656 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,920 So you have to pay your distributor to upload to Spotify. 657 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,760 I'm sure you know all this, but, 658 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,600 - Yeah. 659 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,240 - So the listeners, you have to pay for your music 660 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,240 to be uploaded to Spotify and then you don't get paid 661 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,360 to Spotify. 662 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,880 So you have to pay to not get paid. 663 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,960 Whereas Wavelake is the complete opposite. 664 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,560 It's free to upload and you get paid. 665 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,440 You can start getting paid in day one and you keep it all. 666 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,240 - With Spotify, you have to pay to not get paid. 667 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,080 - Yeah. 668 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,760 - That's a strong quote by Joe Martin. 669 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,880 But it's true. - And that'll do it. 670 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,880 That'll be the show. 671 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,360 (laughing) 672 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,200 - And so too. 673 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,240 And then like Wavelake is the complete opposite. 674 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,240 And then you explain to people and they're like, 675 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,720 "But what's the catch?" 676 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,240 They don't believe that it's possible. 677 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,680 They're like, there's gotta be some catch here. 678 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,080 And you're like, there is no catch. 679 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,080 There's no catch. 680 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,920 - Yeah. 681 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,240 - I'm starting to talk to people about Wavelake 682 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,440 and the other services too. 683 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,320 And you know, you're like, look man, 684 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,560 like there's artists out there in this space like Joe Martin 685 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,960 and you know, Anzli Castello like these guys are making 686 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,120 couple hundred bucks, a thousand bucks a month 687 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,800 in the Bitcoin space. 688 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,240 And they look at you like with a thousand yard stare, 689 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,240 you know, they're like, you know, they have, you know, 690 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,760 and it's like, it's sitting right, 691 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,760 the opportunity is right there in front of you. 692 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,760 And I think, you know, we're gonna continue to face 693 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,080 this uphill battle of people just like being like, 694 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,840 "Yeah, you're like an anti-establishment Bitcoin nut job." 695 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,840 Right? 696 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,360 You know, rather than looking at what the opportunity is 697 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:29,360 in front of you, you're regardless of the politics, 698 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,640 you're regardless of the technology. 699 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,000 Like, I try to approach it from, 700 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,440 "Hey, this is just another revenue stream." 701 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,280 Right? 702 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,120 Yeah, you're gonna keep doing gigs, 703 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,480 you're gonna go over to Holland and open up for other people. 704 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,680 You're still gonna put your stuff up on the traditional DSP 705 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,280 is that's not gonna change. 706 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,400 But this is a real thing, this is happening, 707 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,360 people are making money in it and it's going to explode 708 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,320 and you need to get on this now. 709 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760 And people are slowly coming around to it. 710 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600 Yeah, the thing is, you know, I don't try and, 711 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,520 I never try and sell you anyone on the idea of Bitcoin 712 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,520 or anything like that. 713 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,400 I don't try and convince people either way with that. 714 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,280 I say research it, you know, spend, 715 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,760 is worth spending your time like looking into it. 716 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,040 But with Wave Lake, with this five value concept as well, 717 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,560 that it's one of the few things in life that has no downside. 718 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,560 Yeah. 719 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,000 Like, and there's very few things you can say that about, right? 720 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:28,840 Yeah. 721 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,880 There is, like, you upload your music to one more 722 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080 music platform for free, it doesn't cost you anything 723 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,040 and you can suck any paid for it. 724 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,880 So there is literally no downside, which again, 725 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,080 sounds like, that's why people like, what's the catch? 726 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,280 Like, it sounds too good to be true. 727 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,240 But, but you know, you open yourself up to maybe 728 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,760 potentially a lot more listeners that you wouldn't have had 729 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,120 listening away like, and they can send you value 730 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,800 straight away, no one's taking a cut. 731 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,640 Yeah. 732 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,640 And then once they get that, that initial rush of like, 733 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,520 I'm sure in the way you felt, like, tell me about it, 734 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,000 how you felt the very first time you opened up your phone, 735 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,440 and all of a sudden you see, holy crap, 736 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,200 so many just sent me a thousand sats. 737 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,920 Yeah, it was, it was a mixture of emotions really. 738 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,440 I felt like, I had my mind blown and I was like amazed, 739 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640 but I was also quite angry. 740 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,680 I was, I was angry. 741 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,280 I was pissed off about how much has been taken from, 742 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,280 how much value has not made it to these artists over the years. 743 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,280 Okay. 744 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,160 Just being like, I finned away by the Spotify of the world, 745 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,080 you know, these big stream battles. 746 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,080 Yeah. 747 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,640 And they kind of like, the thing is like, 748 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,040 okay, there's technological limitations to what could be achieved before. 749 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,360 So now we're in a new paradigm, we're on a new playing field now. 750 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,360 So I guess you can't be angry that it's not happened 751 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,800 because it couldn't happen before, lightning. 752 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,320 Right. 753 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,400 But it still made me a bit pissed off because 754 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,720 it just made me think of like, this is what I've been waiting for 755 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,960 for the past 10 years of doing it. 756 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,880 And it's finally here now, which is exciting. 757 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,000 So it's kind of given me like a boost of like, you know, 758 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120 morale and like, it's going to be in and fight up again. 759 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,440 And using the app that was in the beta app, 760 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,440 that they're about to release, that got me really excited 761 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,200 with how easy it is just to fly through it and just as that people. 762 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,320 And it's just amazing. 763 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,720 So, yeah. 764 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:31,560 And I think it's, the biggest thing is going to be the mind shift 765 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,400 from people, you know, that are going over to Waver Lake and thinking, 766 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,440 right, well, the music's free to listen to. 767 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,920 There's no ads, but actually no, I have to, you know, 768 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000 I'm expected to send something back. 769 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,240 Yeah, you got to dump, you got to put some sats into into a, 770 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,720 quote unquote, account at Waver Lake, right? 771 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,720 Like, and then use out from there. 772 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,000 Yeah. 773 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,880 Yeah, people do it. 774 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600 It feels good to, it feels good to zap people. 775 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,720 If you like it, you know, 776 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,120 it's the one that, that's what value for values about, you know, 777 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,960 I mean, like, it's like a digital tip jar, you know, 778 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,080 it's like you're walking down in Hyde Park or you're walking here in Centennial Park in Nashville. 779 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:18,880 And, and, you know, oh, look, there's a, there's good looking kid from Lancashire playing his guitar. 780 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,680 Like, I'm going to, I'm going to throw some pounds in his case. 781 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,520 It's the exact same thing. 782 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640 Yeah, I've got the exact same thing. 783 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,320 I'm going to blog on my website, explaining value, and I've just 784 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,160 re-rejigged it to make it a bit more accessible, a bit more understandable. 785 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,400 And I've, I've tried to use like a real well metaphor for that in that, like, 786 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,440 Spotify is kind of like the equivalent of a big stadium venue. 787 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,200 And it's the only place in town to go listen to it, like music, right? 788 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,240 And you, you pay your 10, 99 entrance fee to get in, 789 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,880 even if you want to listen to a small acts that's playing. 790 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,480 And like the big streaming artists are like on the main stage of the stadium. 791 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,120 And then value for that, and then they're taking everyone's 10, 99 as they walk in. 792 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,960 And then eventually, a few months later, paying it to the artist after they paid 793 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,640 the staff, the skewers, the lighting, the sound, and all these other people first. 794 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,920 Well, value for values, the equivalent of like going to your local small bar, 795 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,360 where there's a tip jar on stage. 796 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,560 Yeah. 797 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,680 You know what you're putting into that jar is going straight to the artist, 798 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,120 and no one else is standing in the middle of it. 799 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,560 That's kind of real well. 800 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,560 Amen. 801 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,360 I've thought of, I don't know if it's a good analogy, but. 802 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,360 Amen. 803 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,760 Dude, I think it's great now that, and I'm looking at it right now. 804 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,400 That's the joe martin music.com/valueforvalue, right? 805 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,400 Yeah. 806 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,400 Yeah. 807 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,400 Yeah. 808 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,200 And the other thing, too, is that like when I think about artists like you, 809 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,240 you know, serious artists professionally aspiring artists who want to make a serious living 810 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:52,800 in this, I think. 811 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,880 And if I'm wrong or if you disagree, feel free to disagree. 812 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:06,680 But I think that you're going to have to play in the DSP space, in the, in the, in the 813 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,520 traditional service provider space. 814 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,680 Yeah, you're going to have to play with the teasers and the iTunes and the apples, right? 815 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,680 Yeah. 816 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,800 And you're going to have to keep doing gigs and you're going to have to, you know, even 817 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000 though radio is dying, it's still valuable. 818 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,280 I think, I think BBC is far more valuable than, uh, I heart radio over here. 819 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:31,280 Um, but I think that what, what, what, when I think about what you are doing in this space, 820 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:39,600 the leverage you are creating for yourself, when a major label out of Nashville comes, 821 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,920 knocking on joe martin store there in the UK, the value that you have created for yourself, 822 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,880 the leverage that you have created for yourself in the value for value, lighting payment, Bitcoin 823 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:57,080 space is only going to make you even more marketable and is only going to, and is going to give 824 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:03,520 you more power, uh, on the signing table should you decide to sign up with somebody with, with, 825 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:11,440 with a major label, you know, um, and somebody is going to break out of this space and go mainstream 826 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:18,440 and the origin story is going to be the, I think, uh, another one of those events culturally 827 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,840 that drives more musician, what more musicians into this space. 828 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,000 I, um, did you agree with that or not? 829 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,480 Yeah, I agree with that. 830 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,800 I guess at the moment because there's no other option for independent artists as soon as 831 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,240 they see a contract stuck in front of them for a record deal, like a lot of the time they're 832 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,920 going to just jump at it, you know, because they're like, what else am I going to do? 833 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,680 Whereas if this other model exists and you can get it to a point where you're making 834 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,760 it a good living off a few thousand fans that are sending you a few dollars a year through 835 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,800 zaps and streams, then you, then you're going to think twice about taking on a deal maybe 836 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,240 where you stuck with debt or you locked into something that, you know, you don't have your 837 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:09,680 rights to your own songs, whereas with this, you can keep everything as long as you're 838 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:16,480 putting the work to build a fan base over the years, I think it's, it's, it's made a, a 839 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,000 workable model again for the independent artists, you know, is bringing back that middle 840 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,560 ground that's being lost for this, with the streaming platforms and everything, um, to 841 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,000 make a living again, a comfortable living for smaller artists. 842 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,520 I think it's going to bring that back, uh, which is, yeah, it is going to be a lot more 843 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,520 important. 844 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,040 So, yeah, I would agree. 845 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,000 Do you think anybody who is mainstream right now, who is signed to a major label? 846 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,720 Do you think anybody's going to get, get, get, get, get jump into this space while they're 847 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:52,200 signed to a major label or do you think a major label would go, uh, going to that? 848 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,040 It's hard to say really because it's, it's about who owns the rights of the songs and a lot 849 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,640 of the time like Del have signed something away to the label that, that will stop them 850 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,440 from making their own unilateral decision as to whether that, where they upload their music. 851 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,720 Uh, but I don't really know, I don't really know, but like, I, what, from what I've heard, 852 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:16,960 like, I mean, the, the labels are in the, back pocket of Spotify anyway. 853 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,240 So it's not even the labels that are getting that screwed. 854 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:23,080 It is the artist that's on the label. 855 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,040 It's not really the labels. 856 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,640 So Spotify might just turn around to that, to that record label, like you definitely 857 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,480 not doing that. 858 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,280 So it's definitely, it's definitely going to be a grassroots in the artist's movement 859 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,280 first. 860 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,280 And then when it gets big enough, then the labels are going to pivot and it's going to 861 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,800 switch over, but it depends as well how long Spotify can keep chugging along. 862 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:53,400 Like, I don't, I read an article the other day saying it's, it's lost like $300 million 863 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,920 this year or something and it's, it's like impossible for it to ever be profitable. 864 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:04,760 And it may should wonder whether like the Spotify and the Netflix is are just a product of cheap 865 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:10,520 money, like a decade worth of zero in zero percent interest rates and cheap money. 866 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,240 What, you know, that didn't actually need a profitable business model to work. 867 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:16,240 Yeah. 868 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:20,960 And whether that day is coming to an end because, yeah, I mean, interesting point. 869 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,720 I mean, you could make the argument that maybe they've been held up by investors, right? 870 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,480 I mean, because I, I agree with you, I, I've read the same things. 871 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:34,280 I, I've read recently that I think they just finally turned a profit on a quarter, right? 872 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:40,480 And the consumers, by the way, if you go, you know, I, I don't know if you heard the first, 873 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,480 the first business hour podcast that I put out where I kind of just ranted about the industry 874 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,240 nine things about the industry that I personally believe, but the industry looks, looks at you 875 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,480 guys like you're making burritos like they don't give a damn about the quality of your 876 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,160 art. They just want to know how many burritos you can pump out, you know, in a day. 877 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:04,760 But I, but I think you can make the argument with respect to Spotify that they haven't really 878 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,760 turned a profit yet for them to stay in business. 879 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:15,000 They are going to have to raise their fees to the subscriber and they have hundreds of millions 880 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000 of subscribers. 881 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,120 I'm sure you've heard the news that came out in the last couple of weeks that they're 882 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,520 going to start doxing anybody who doesn't have a thousand spins, you're not going to get 883 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,440 paid. You know, I mean, shit, you weren't getting paid anyways, right? 884 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,440 Yeah. 885 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,600 But they're kicking people off who have less than a thousand spins. 886 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,040 I, I will credit them. 887 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:38,400 I, I think it's good that they are penalizing the major distributors who are gaming the 888 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:44,480 playlist system and flooding the playlists with like white noise crap and, and, you know, 889 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,440 tracks that are only 31 seconds long. 890 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,320 Like, you know, they, you know, they have a, they have a tough road ahead of them if they 891 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,640 want to become profitable. 892 00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,840 But everything comes and goes, you know, with, with every rise, there is a fall. 893 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:11,640 And I, I don't see them being able to maintain a dominance in the industry when you have a decentralized 894 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:18,600 opportunity like Bitcoin, that is, that is going to overtake them. 895 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:24,760 And, um, then, and then there's two other questions that I had for you along this line. 896 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:32,560 What, one of them is, um, I went to see Hunter Hayes, um, last weekend, here in Nashville. 897 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,560 Yeah. 898 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,560 And he's awesome. 899 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,560 God, he's good. 900 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,560 Yeah. 901 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,560 Yeah. 902 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,640 But, and he's, he's, he's a complete independent now like here. 903 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,880 He's not tied to a label. 904 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,880 So, yeah, so I was like, I was standing there looking at him like, damn, like that would be a 905 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,880 good get, right? 906 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:49,880 Yeah. 907 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:55,680 Like, so it could get him into the space, which led me to, which, which, which, you know, 908 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,480 makes me think, God, there's a lot of people who have been dropped. 909 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,440 I mean, they don't necessarily own their original catalog anymore. 910 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,880 Like Hunter, doesn't own the majority of that catalog, but he just put out another 911 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,320 break record and it's, it's on his label. 912 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,520 Like he's, you know, those people who have been dropped from labels are a prime and who 913 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:18,360 still have a fan base, they're a prime candidate for value, value and pick one. 914 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,360 Absolutely. 915 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,040 I think it's going to be kind of like a semi-artic thing whether, whether artists like that 916 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,440 that are, have either been dropped or they were just savvy enough to keep everything 917 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,360 from the start and they own their own rights and stuff. 918 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,520 And they're going to move over, like, they're going to probably be waiting to wave like 919 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,080 or something similar to Wabelake has grown to a critical mass wear because it's still so 920 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,400 small in the moment is this is, there's only probably a few thousand people actually on 921 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,320 it and using it. 922 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,120 But it's got, it's, it's being built from the right foundations and with the right principles. 923 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:58,080 So it's being built in the right way with longevity in mind and it's going to be a case 924 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,560 of like, there's going to be a first mover where you get someone like a hunter, or whatever. 925 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,800 And then another artist is going to see that thing, you know, that's the same level or whatever 926 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,080 and that it's going to snowball, right? 927 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,520 And then, and then it's just going to get to a point where it's like, well, you're not 928 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,040 on Wabelake, but what you leave in, you leave in Sats on the table and what you did. 929 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,640 Yeah, I remember like, I went down there, I met the guys from Wabelake this past summer 930 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,640 at the lightning summit here at Bitcoin Park in Nashville. 931 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:38,680 It's just so, we're so lucky to have Bitcoin Park, which, yeah, it's a, for, got, how do I describe 932 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,680 it? 933 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,480 It is, think of it as like, we work for Bitcoiners, right? 934 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,080 Like these guys, they're all Bitcoin developers, they're all code writers, they're all brilliant, 935 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,080 they're all brilliant. 936 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:57,240 And they, they own two houses in, in downtown Nashville on Music Row. 937 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,200 And it's a, it's a private business. 938 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:06,600 You have to be a member to work there, but they have public open, open house events once 939 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,880 a month and then, you know, a couple of times a year, they do massive events like they had 940 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,120 the lightning summit in July, they just had nocturne November a couple of weeks ago. 941 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,600 And I have, I'm so thankful to be near that and to have learned from those guys and they're 942 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,880 just so generous in there and they're so welcoming. 943 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,000 And that's where I met the guys from Wavelink and I met Sam and everybody and I remember 944 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,960 sitting in a presentation that they did on Friday morning and there were a bunch of people 945 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,840 in the room that were saying, look, like the only thing the movement needs is like, we just 946 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,080 need to get Taylor Swift to come over to, to Bitcoin. 947 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,040 I'm like, there's no way in how Taylor's going to come over to Baylor. 948 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,400 She's doing just fine, you know, but you do need it, it would be nice to get somebody 949 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,560 like a Hunter Hayes or even somebody who's still signed, you know, to, to come over 950 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,720 into that space because that's really going to be the game changer for everybody. 951 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:04,760 So yeah, yeah, I think, I don't know, I guess like, there's excitement with the people that 952 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,480 know that know what it is and we're already on board, but people just need to start hearing 953 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,360 that the idea of value and wave lake and all these other things found in. 954 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,240 And the UX just has to get to a point where it's just like as good as if not superior to, 955 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,120 you know, your traditional like platforms. 956 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,680 And then it's just going to be like a, it's going to be like a no brainer, I think, for 957 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,680 like people. 958 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,080 I mean, it's no brainer for me now, like why would you? 959 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,960 I don't understand why you don't load your music to Spotify, let them keep the money instead 960 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,160 of loading it, like, you keep the money, like, well, you said it earlier, buddy, people 961 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,920 like to pay it and I can pay it, right? 962 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,440 Yeah, I don't know. 963 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:55,000 Yeah, this is a nice segue into the, to the, uh, single that you just released. 964 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:01,480 So tell us about, uh, the song we're, we're going to hear here in just a couple of minutes. 965 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,040 And, um, I, I got a lot of questions about it. 966 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,760 So I will, and I think it's a brilliant idea. 967 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,720 You have the floor, sir, tell me about the new single. 968 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:10,720 Okay. 969 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:17,080 So the idea came from, I was speaking to a guy that goes by the name of JD, um, who's, 970 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:22,120 uh, got a company called CypherPonk Cinema and he's based in LA. 971 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,120 And, uh, we, we sort of like gone on a Zoom call and we were talking about what we're both 972 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,520 doing. 973 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,960 And, uh, I said, what, I said to him, oh, I don't want to write, I don't want to start 974 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,200 writing Bitcoin songs like, like, that's not cool. 975 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,200 I mean, it is cool. 976 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,200 Like, I don't know. 977 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,440 I don't know the topic to write songs about, but it's kind of like, I don't know if he 978 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,000 was like the first artist on the internet and you're writing about the internet, writing 979 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,000 a song about it. 980 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000 Yeah. 981 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,000 You've been pretty cheesy. 982 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,600 It doesn't hit as hard as like a love song. 983 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:51,600 It's like that. 984 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,480 So, um, and I said, well, you know, I don't, I don't want to do that. 985 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,000 And anyway, I'm quite subtle with my song writing. 986 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,080 I like to write with, you know, allude to something that, or writing metaphors or whatever. 987 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,920 And he said, well, write your version of a Bitcoin song or something. 988 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,360 Like, I don't know. 989 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,520 So, I did it through the lens of the Jetsons. 990 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,520 I don't know. 991 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,520 This idea came to me of like, right? 992 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,320 We all want to, I want to write a positive song. 993 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,160 I'm always writing depressing songs. 994 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,960 So I want to write an optimistic song for a change. 995 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:31,560 And so, I mean, I will say bored to die young is pretty damn sad, dude. 996 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,560 Yeah. 997 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,920 So I'm going to write an optimistic song about the future. 998 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,440 And we're either going to go while it's two ways. 999 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,960 You know, it's going to be dystopian or it's going to be utopian. 1000 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,480 Maybe, I don't know. 1001 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,680 Um, so I thought, right, I'll write a song about a Jetsons future. 1002 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,800 And how are we going to get there? 1003 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:56,480 And, uh, I think, you know, without technologies like Bitcoin and Noster and these freedom tools 1004 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,240 that are being built out for each person to, you know, kind of like claim their own rights 1005 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:03,920 in the digital space. 1006 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,240 It's, it's, we're not going to get to a Jetsons future. 1007 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:13,440 So it was kind of like a tribute to all the people that are building on the orange and purple 1008 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,840 networks. 1009 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,560 Um, and then so I had this idea for the song and I thought, right, I'm going to, I'm going 1010 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,080 to do this in a different way. 1011 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:26,760 Um, I'm going to go with a producer on this one, um, because I, I want it to be more like 1012 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,040 pop, poppy, like a bit more produced than my other stuff because it felt like it needed 1013 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,040 that. 1014 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,720 So I knew the exact guy that I wanted on it to produce it. 1015 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:40,640 He's called Matthew Garcia and he's a French producer and he's based in Manchester near 1016 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,640 me. 1017 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,400 So I reached out to Matthew and, um, I didn't tell him exactly what the song was about, 1018 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,080 but I told him what I wanted from the song and I just put down an acoustic part in a vocal 1019 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:56,480 and I kind of left him to put what, you know, what he thought it needed on there. 1020 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,000 Um, because I trusted him. 1021 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:04,320 I love what he's done before the, you know, other artists and I guided him a bit on it. 1022 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,160 Um, but yeah, he did, he did. 1023 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,200 He's a very in the, but you're very in the lead here, dude. 1024 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,200 All right. 1025 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,360 You're very in the lead here. 1026 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:20,640 Like what's the, what is, how did you come up with the idea of, um, and how did you implement 1027 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,960 giving away a million sats? 1028 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,240 Well, I had this idea a while ago, maybe even before I wrote the song, I was like, I want 1029 00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,240 to write a song that's got a seed phrase buried in it. 1030 00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,760 And this song like needed that. 1031 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,240 Well, it was, if there was going to be a song, it was going to be this song because it's 1032 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:41,320 about, you know, alluding to Bitcoin and Noster and stuff like that. 1033 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,920 So, um, it's funny. 1034 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,520 Like, I got the, the bit 39, uh, word list. 1035 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,120 And I actually, before, I, I'd already written the lyrics, like, I didn't even think about, 1036 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,880 uh, a seed or anything or, you know, what words could have been allowed as, as, as seed words. 1037 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,840 I just wrote the song. 1038 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:08,400 And then I went back to the song with the word list and found the words already in the song, 1039 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,400 but innocent. 1040 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,400 What? 1041 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,400 Yeah, yeah. 1042 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,080 You didn't have to, well, did you have to swap any of the lyrics out? 1043 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,480 I had to swap one word. 1044 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,480 No way. 1045 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:23,480 Because, yeah, so I don't know if you know, but a Bitcoin seed, the 11 words that you 1046 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,760 shoot that, that are chosen, uh, with entropy, like randomness or if you choose them yourself 1047 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:35,640 out of the hat or whatever, uh, that the first 11 words informs what the 12th word is, which 1048 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,800 is the checksum, uh, which makes, which make valid key. 1049 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:48,640 So the 12th word, uh, was actually, I had to change, um, in the song for it to be valid. 1050 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:55,720 So, so when you wrote the lyrics out and you created the wallet, you entered in the 11th 1051 00:53:55,720 --> 00:54:00,680 word, or excuse me, yet you entered in the 11 words and then the 12th word was generated 1052 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,880 and then you had to go back and go, all right, I got to find a spot in the song for this 12th 1053 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,880 word. 1054 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:06,880 Yes. 1055 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,880 Okay. 1056 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:08,880 Cool. 1057 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,880 Yeah. 1058 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,880 And then like, yeah. 1059 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,880 All right. 1060 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:20,840 So then now that the song is out, what are you doing to promote it and to get people to, 1061 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:26,520 uh, figure out the, the 12 words or the order, the 12 words or whatever and, and what's 1062 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,520 the prize? 1063 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,520 Right. 1064 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,360 So, obviously, there could be like a trillion combinations of what it could be. 1065 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,440 So unless people have a bit of guidance, they're never going to find it. 1066 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,160 Um, so, yeah. 1067 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:46,720 So I'm basically putting out five clues and I thought it became kind of neat to release a new 1068 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:52,100 clue every time there's a difficulty adjustment, uh, which for those who don't know it around 1069 00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:57,520 every two weeks, the difficulty to mind new Bitcoin either goes up or down depending on how 1070 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,120 much compute power comes onto the network. 1071 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,400 So I thought that's like the difficulty adjusting is like me releasing a new clue to make 1072 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,440 it easier to find the words. 1073 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,440 Yeah. 1074 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,440 Yeah. 1075 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,440 Yeah. 1076 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,440 Yeah. 1077 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,440 So I think, I think five clues is enough. 1078 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,240 I think once the fifth clue is out, I think people should have a fairly good chance of finding 1079 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:20,360 it because I don't really want it to be stuck there forever, even though that would be cool 1080 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,360 because like the song would hopefully just grow in value forever and ever and ever and 1081 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,840 it would create more incentive to do your campaign. 1082 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,840 Yeah. 1083 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,680 I'm going to get that damn song off the internet. 1084 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,600 I'm tired of hearing it. 1085 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,040 It would create more of an incentive over time for people to listen to it and it becomes 1086 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,960 its own self-fulfilling marketing budget because like the thing is people easily drop like 300 1087 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,160 pounds, 500 pounds on marketing like for an hour or so and all of it. 1088 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,120 So I thought, well, why can't the song be its own marketing budget? 1089 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,120 God, dude. 1090 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,120 That's what it is. 1091 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,720 So like the thing is it's like, I thought, oh, this is a cool idea and it would just 1092 00:55:55,720 --> 00:56:00,280 get more and more so as the value goes up over time. 1093 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,080 That's really great then. 1094 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:09,920 So I'm going to say like if for whatever reason it is never found, people will have to take 1095 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,800 my word for it that I promise not to tell anyone and I won't claim it myself. 1096 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:23,640 But if it's not claimed after like, I'm going to say 21 years just to say, just for 21 years, 1097 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:30,880 I'm going to give it to a worthy charity and I will reveal what the words were and then 1098 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,560 people can go and check. 1099 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,200 They can enter those words and check with those notes that it was there. 1100 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,200 Of course they can. 1101 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,920 I mean, that's the beauty of the technology. 1102 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:46,200 So yeah, so are you getting some good play out of it or are you getting some good activity? 1103 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,880 You know, some good marketing activity from it? 1104 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,360 I've just had people commenting saying it's a neat idea that it's really cool. 1105 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,720 I mean, I don't know if it's ever been done in this context in the song. 1106 00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,160 I know people have hidden seeds in like artwork and stuff like that. 1107 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,200 Yeah, I don't think anyone's ever hidden them in a song lyric. 1108 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,400 So as far as I know, if anyone has, please let me know. 1109 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,920 Oh, it's fantastic. 1110 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,520 I was like, oh, be cool to be the first person to do that. 1111 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,520 Yeah. 1112 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,000 Well, now, Sir, are you mining Bitcoin as well? 1113 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,320 Do you have a node at home or? 1114 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,680 I've got a node, but I don't mine. 1115 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,680 I don't mine. 1116 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,840 I find some of those little nerd minor things. 1117 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,120 Those little tiny ones I know if you've seen them. 1118 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,120 Yeah. 1119 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,680 Like one in a truly enchants of finding a block is me. 1120 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,960 More chance of winning the lottery. 1121 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,960 And I don't play the lost reason. 1122 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:37,960 Yeah. 1123 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:38,960 Well, yeah. 1124 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,320 No, I don't mind. 1125 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,480 Fair enough. 1126 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:46,840 Well, listen, we'll play the song here in just a minute. 1127 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:53,000 But I really want to thank you, Joe, for coming on and taking the time to talk with me. 1128 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,480 You're the first artist I've spoken to in the Bitcoin space. 1129 00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:03,720 I'm hoping to get this podcast posted within a couple hours this afternoon. 1130 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,520 I know it's getting, it's pushing eight o'clock over there. 1131 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,160 So hopefully it'll be out by midnight your time tonight. 1132 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,280 But so tell everybody where they can find you on the inner webs and all that kind of fun 1133 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,280 stuff. 1134 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,160 Yeah, you can find me just at Joe Martin Music on any of the socials. 1135 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,400 Joe Martin Music.com is my website. 1136 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,600 I'm on Noster as well. 1137 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,920 I don't know my end part of my head. 1138 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,360 You can find that through my Twitter or X or whatever it's called. 1139 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,960 And yeah, thanks for having me on. 1140 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,640 It's an honor to be the first guest on your new show. 1141 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,880 So it's a pleasure to do that. 1142 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,920 I really enjoyed the conversation. 1143 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,880 I really love your music. 1144 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,280 I love your writing. 1145 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,480 You got a great voice, too, man. 1146 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,920 You really got a great voice. 1147 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,080 And like I said at the beginning, 1148 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,120 like I, you really have the vibe down. 1149 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,600 You got the sounds down. 1150 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,920 I mean, I was just listening to born to die young on a wavelength before you jumped on 1151 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:05,920 the call here. 1152 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:15,200 And I mean, the acoustics, the slide, the lap, and your voice in the, in the lyrical story, 1153 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,320 you know, I'm in the unique position as a blogger and a podcaster that I really only talk 1154 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,840 about artists that I like. 1155 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,120 And you're definitely one of them. 1156 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,400 You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of garbage. 1157 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,960 There's a lot of crap out there in the industry. 1158 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,520 And that's part of the problem that you and every other unsigned artist has. 1159 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:38,320 You got to deal with all that crap, you know, people who think that they, that just because, 1160 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,720 as I alluded to in another podcast, that just because somebody tells them, oh, they're 1161 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:42,720 really great. 1162 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,520 They get this false sense of security and they, and they're not. 1163 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,520 And they suck. 1164 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,520 And they shouldn't be doing this. 1165 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,280 But you, sir, are damn good at what you do. 1166 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,160 And it's a pleasure to have you on the show. 1167 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,240 And, um, dude, next time you come to Nashville, man, you got to look me up. 1168 00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,640 I will definitely get into it. 1169 00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,640 Yeah, yeah. 1170 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,400 Hopefully I'll be back out in the near future. 1171 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,920 So I'll drop your line when I'm out there. 1172 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:03,920 That sounds great. 1173 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:04,920 All right, buddy. 1174 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,960 So that is Mr. Joe Martin. 1175 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:15,080 And we are going to check out the song here called The Jetsons, where if you are paying attention, 1176 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:20,120 and you take good notes and you pay attention to Joe's social media, you will be able to 1177 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,280 unlock a million sats. 1178 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,280 So here we go. 1179 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,280 Here's the track, Joe. 1180 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,280 Thanks again, buddy. 1181 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,280 Thanks, Alan. 1182 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:37,620 You'll tell him about the future, what do you say? 1183 01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:51,520 Is it an ocean of color growing exponentially, what keeps me up through the night time gives you 1184 01:00:51,520 --> 01:01:01,520 a dream and through the day, is that the goddess of wisdom is only in block away? 1185 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:09,020 I wanna fly with the chestnuts, I wanna shoot past the stars, 1186 01:01:09,020 --> 01:01:17,020 I wanna think even till the flames never bend before, 1187 01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:21,520 when I've been raised like purple and orange, 1188 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:28,020 you can count the colors, the water, fly with the chestnuts, 1189 01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:32,520 I wanna shoot past the stars, 1190 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:39,520 what's done, this done, 1191 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:47,520 before we live and die by the number 21, 1192 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:55,020 where energy is flowing through the sheets that are all known, 1193 01:01:55,020 --> 01:02:01,520 and the lightning, I'm sure it's a sin, 1194 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:09,020 I wanna fly with the chestnuts, I wanna shoot past the stars, 1195 01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:17,020 I wanna take you to a place never bend before, 1196 01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:21,520 when I've been raised like purple and orange, 1197 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:27,520 you can count the colors, the water, fly with the chestnuts, 1198 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:32,520 I wanna shoot past the stars, 1199 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:46,520 with you, with you, 1200 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:55,020 12 words in my head, and without you, I'm on the sid, 1201 01:02:55,020 --> 01:03:01,520 I'm afraid in my mind, better on a man, 1202 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:09,020 I wanna fly with the chestnuts, I wanna shoot past the stars, 1203 01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:17,520 I wanna take you to a place you've never bend before, 1204 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,520 when I've been raised like purple and orange, 1205 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:28,020 you can count the colors, the water, fly with the chestnuts, 1206 01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:32,520 I wanna shoot past the stars, 1207 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,520 with you, 1208 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:47,020 with you, 1209 01:03:47,020 --> 01:03:53,520 with you, 1210 01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:01,520 I wanna fly with the chestnuts. 1211 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,520 Absolutely love that dude's voice, 1212 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,520 and such a pleasure to have him on the show today, 1213 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,520 for the first ever Phantom Power Artist Hour, 1214 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,020 just one last note about his voice, 1215 01:04:12,020 --> 01:04:16,020 it's always fun to hear somebody singing voice in comparison 1216 01:04:16,020 --> 01:04:20,520 to their speaking voice, and he just has a lovely voice on both accounts, 1217 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,520 so thanks y'all for listening, 1218 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,520 don't forget to send some sats, 1219 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,020 we're splitting this episode with Joe, 1220 01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:33,020 and as well as giving 1% back to the web hosting company on this one, 1221 01:04:33,020 --> 01:04:35,020 which is RSS Blue, 1222 01:04:35,020 --> 01:04:38,020 and Happy Holidays, 1223 01:04:38,020 --> 01:04:40,020 guys, happy Thanksgiving to everybody here in the States, 1224 01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:43,020 and don't forget to smile for the mugshot, 1225 01:04:43,020 --> 01:04:44,020 see ya later. 1226 01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:45,400 Thank you very much.