Welcome to the Dezentralschweiz Podcast.
Today we are at my Roundtable.
I think Roundtable number 3 is not really sure.
I have three cool guests.
Two of them were already at me.
Tino in the episode number 62, which is not long ago.
Sasha from the Swiss Bitcoin Conference was already at episode number 30 and 47.
And we have another new guest, Cyril.
I think some of you would have heard of this.
But I would say, for those who know you,
just to tell you,
one, two, three, four,
so that people know who they are.
Will you start, Tino?
Yes, I'm Tino.
I was already here.
My themes are mostly
conceptional, philosophically-sellschaftlich,
and usability.
I'm a software developer,
but if I don't see myself
and I will see it in the future.
Very good, that's good.
Sasha, would you like to do that?
Very good, thank you for your invitation.
Nicholas, it's nice that I can be here at home.
I'm Sasha and I organize the Swiss Bitcoin Conference.
This is my contribution to the Bitcoin Community.
I know many people who had already had the third conference.
I'm excited about a new project I will present,
which I have with Cyril here on board.
Cyril, would you like to do it?
Thank you for the invitation.
My name is Cyril.
The most people know me in terms of the Spar.
We can in the Schweiz in Spar with Bitcoin
or with Crypto-Kypter einkaufen, also zahlen.
I built that.
I'm a Gründer and a GFX.
GFX is a company that is open source first.
All we do is open source technology,
which we provide free license.
We focus on partners with open source partners.
Payment is very important.
We are the main,
that if Bitcoin can give us,
it will be an enormous amount of value.
as if we can only hold it as a savings.
And we have this
with the Spar together
and have because of that
some of these are in the Bitcoin community.
And I think that's why I'm here to be here.
Definitiv, yes.
Very good.
DFX, you said it was in the last time
quite a lot in the Bitcoin media,
Bitcoin chats and all the way in the community
discussed.
It's cool, that a big Händler like Spar, who is in the whole Switzerland,
has Bitcoin accepted.
It's so that he doesn't accept Bitcoin,
you can also accept your package with other Kryptowährungen.
That's okay.
You can hold on what you want.
But it's cool that you can buy Bitcoin and Bitcoin Lightning,
I believe both of you, right?
Yes.
And we hope that this comes to the people,
to the Grossverteiler, because they see that we have a lot of benefits.
Maybe, if we are at this topic,
why did the Spar say that we want Bitcoin or all-time Kryptowährungen to accept?
Is that a marketing stunt?
No, not yet.
They are really convinced that this is something new,
which will be in the Akzeptance long-term.
We have now a very good contact with SPAR and the staff at the time.
And this whole project is now very solid.
When I need something, I can call it,
I worry about it, I worry about it, I worry about it.
And SPAR takes this thing now really seriously.
It's something that will be in the future.
And not only a non-Tageseffekt.
We have already the first Spar-Leads, which also hold the Bitcoins.
They take the treasury, which they don't sell in the Swiss francs.
We have a Bitcoin-Bitcoin-System.
And it's more than a marketing stunt.
And they hold then, or we can do more crypto-währd,
but they hold all crypto-währd per se
or are they actively in Bitcoin or other Währungen?
Exactly, it would be your viewers sure to hear.
Spar is a franchise-entrepreneur
and there are many franchise-partners of Spar.
And we have now the first franchise-partner,
who want to say that all the Bitcoin convert into Bitcoin
and in Bitcoin is paid.
and they want to go to their own own custodial.
I think that's not a better way.
Souveränität, that's super.
That's super.
It's really cool, that so much Spar is so far.
I think that the first was in Zug, the second in Krützlingen.
With Sasha at the conference.
I think he was in contact.
I wrote, as I heard, that he was in Zug,
and Cyril was so fast and had to go to the conference in Kreuzlingen.
That was a great action. Thank you, Cyril.
You want to know the roadmap for the rollout?
I was last time in Wildhaus, not just there, but in the Kaffito in Spararien.
They knew about nothing.
They had a set of Freybach from the Zürich Sea.
They knew nothing, but they had a bad connection with the Kasse.
They didn't bring anything.
But weiss man, how much, how fast, when, all of them?
We have a home page with all the Spar-Markets.
And the status of the status of the market.
We have about 100 Läder,
which are active, which can be paid, which is also personal.
We can't say how much time the other 250 people are going to give.
It's just free to the individual Spar-Markt.
But we see clearly, that they find it all cool.
It's so that people have a bit different.
For them is not the right thing, but we can get more than every week.
Adoption is running forward.
And those people who have done it,
they have no idea.
They say, it's crazy, it's cool.
There are the Bitcoiner who go to the store
and pay for it,
and show them that's super,
and show them that they are begeistering.
And this leads to the point that you can see
that you can see a community that is really active,
that you can reach,
that you can reach on social media.
And so I would say that all has been very developed.
Of course, we are not at the point where you can say,
You can buy every Spar.
That would be more interesting.
If you could buy every Spar,
it would be a bit of time.
But the adoption is already on.
How long has the Spar in the U?
It's not about a half a year.
It's pretty good to have in such a short time
over 100 Stars onboarded.
More than a third.
Really great.
You have to do it.
It's not difficult to do it, but you have to do it.
It's not much time to do it,
to say that it's new crypto-knopters.
But you have to do it.
You know, as it is,
you have to do it with other things and other things.
We are very happy with the work.
We are also very happy,
that it's not the same as the spare part,
but that the other people are on the side.
And that's really the most with the different companies.
The motivation is not to do something with crypto or with Bitcoin,
but the motivation is to do something from the best-time Arbiter
to do something.
Yes, and I think it's also attractive to the business.
When you hear, especially in the Gastro-Bereich,
The Kreditkarten is not attraktiv.
Of course, we can buy it because people want to pay for it.
But it's certainly very exciting for such a big part.
There are two elements.
One is very expensive, such a contract to set up,
so that you can accept the Kreditkarten.
You don't have that much anymore,
but you have a more time to get it.
The handling of these Kreditkarten is very expensive and expensive.
with the pricey.
Mm.
So, that's called also for many customers.
These are mostly available at the current unusual law regulation
and have actually more expensive.
Thisacje leads to basically –
see, are we a printable thing look at this Apple,
if it helps us become their its goals,
if it helps us um quickly and more.
Plus, more complex and more.
Why not?
This is basically there a mechanisms�를eler,
przen to then.
There was not something against the wind.
In this week we heard something about the front against the wind.
Or the Händler.
Exactly.
There is a Swiss Retail-Source,
which the retailers,
like Spar, IKEA, Manor,
all the Detailhändler,
who are there.
I was already there.
I was going to show it.
I was able to do our payment solution.
They were also Geschäftsführer from Aldi, Lidl and so.
And in that case, the feedback was great.
Not because they'd be good at all,
but because they understand that it is something that comes and it doesn't go away.
It's not as before 5 years,
that is not a scam.
You can't get the money from the table.
Today, in the management of these gross companies,
everyone could be clear that Bitcoin has a Dosenprächtigung.
And with the Spar we changed that narrative,
so that we have to be aware that it has a Dosenprächtigung
as Payment Layer and not as Investment.
That's the answer we get the most.
What can we do with Bitcoin?
But that's not investment, not as a payment.
And that narrative we change now.
And I can say that everything is in the right direction.
Very cool Do you have any problems You already talked about the personal the personal training It works but it just a bit of time
Is it normal?
Do you have any problems with the last few weeks?
Is everything like this?
Yes, it's like this.
We had a system on our side before 1-2 weeks
on our side,
where we installed a update,
which then has a problem made.
problem.
What is the most problem,
is people who have their own
lightning wallet on their own
system or Ubuntu
and then with them in the spare
and...
And that works not.
Yes, and then it's also...
The most problem are people who are very
very deep in the theme.
Also, the people who don't have
with the wallet on Satoshi, they don't have
a problem. That works tip-top.
But there are people who come in and want to pay me a Bitcoin
and they feel like they have a Lightning Rechnung
and they can copy and paste it.
And they think much too much.
Or they have just expectations, which are about to go.
For example, he wrote in the support,
he would like to copy and copy and paste it.
And there is our answer,
you forget that we don't do it.
He just uses a wallet,
which is the best to use,
a LNURL-Code to read.
And then,
it's done.
Is that a problem?
Is there so many Wallets,
which not LNURL support?
I don't know,
it's maybe very strange Wallets,
but I don't know.
There is one,
I'll call it the name,
if you say it so,
Relay.
Is that a Lightning Wallet?
Right.
But it's so,
that many people try it with them.
In my friends' time,
one of the first questions was,
can I do it with the Relay App
in the spare room?
No, with all of them,
but with them not.
It's not true.
But it's just so,
Relay has a different focus.
Leider is it so,
that many people
that with them verbinden.
What would be cool if Relay just over the Onchain would be able to buy it,
because we don't have to buy it on-chain.
It would be cool if Relay would be able to buy it.
It would be a few of the codes.
It would be really easy.
It would be a JSON, which you would parse and then you have a deposit address
and then you would send it to your money.
But, let's see if that comes.
The only gross wallet, which the code doesn't read, but still relatively spread,
is Moon.
Ah, okay.
All the others are compatible and work well.
You could not even have a LNURL?
Yes.
Okay, I didn't think that.
I think that's right.
We have also a GitHub that has already been opened and noticed.
But I don't have any interest.
Well, I think that the most common wallet I know,
Phoenix, Zeus, Wallet of Satoshi, Bitkit etc.,
should all of them be able to do.
But now you know that, if you are in the spare,
you can see that you have a wallet that you can use LNURL.
Or one of those previously known.
It's a bit of a marketing-messing, I say it's a bit of a relay,
it's a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a relay.
But it's just a simple way, where people think,
hey, I already have a relay, why don't I have everything right now?
It makes sense, YoungLow is doing.
I understand it at one point not so much,
because the Lightning Wallet has not really worked well.
I remember that in Switzerland there were many Meetups,
where people would have bought the Relay Wallet.
It just didn't work.
It's not just an URL,
but all the time Lightning is there relatively...
Well, they are deactivated.
Ah, okay, I didn't get it.
I don't know exactly what the date is,
I wrote it, it's all set.
I don't know if we can use this as a
specific alternative to the lightning alternative.
We can do it.
We said that Tino said that
it would be a exciting topic.
That's a new alternative to lightning.
I don't know, Tino, would you explain what the ARC was about?
We had a Masterclass, who was called?
Dekon.
He told us that ARC was coming, it would be a Referenzimplementation,
but he was very fast.
He didn't do it for Lightning.
and then we thought, yes, not, but much better are we now not.
Then I listened to the last podcast to this topic and thought,
aha, and then I was learning, right?
And then I was asked, what is the difficulty you could do with lightning?
If you would say, okay, lightning is still cool,
but Nicolas said, that's not what I said.
For techies, that's not what I said.
I have not seen it yet.
But you have to understand the background.
Especially when people use Phoenix...
You don't want to be.
Do you want to be?
When people use Phoenix,
and it's always said that Lightning is much cheaper than Sunshine,
and so on, this theory is also true,
but there are situations where it's not so,
because you have a new channel on Phoenix,
because it's more expensive for Phoenix,
which would then be able to get the cost of Phoenix.
Yes, no, there are still more arguments.
I knew someone with only Bitcoin and Bargeld.
So decided to buy a car that vas to 25'000 Fr.
And then he issued extra an income shop,
which are both Bitcoin accept of it.
So he left with that the cost,
then he was tissu with the rent,
then traded to its wieleh Madam.
And then the owner aviv Woodopol has no Lightning accept.
He needed four days,
to summarize it in the way,
and then I would have to pay 25.000 for the Lightning.
He would have to pay X transactions.
And what he would have to pay for the transactions,
I would have to know.
That would be more exciting.
Because the Lightning-Netzwerk is just so built,
if you make more than 1.000 Fr.
So with more than 1.000 Fr.,
then exponentially increase the cost.
But a gross transaction is also on the chain,
and not on the Lightning.
But his owner had a provider,
who had to buy a Lightning.
but then.
What's more exciting would be,
what kind of wallet he used?
Because if he could have a channel
to make up to the auto-handler
and then
everything from the channel
overpushed and the channel
would be a spillier.
But then it's a free-and-chain transaction.
But
that's not
the today's use case of Lightning.
I've already made
over 1'000$.
It's good, if you have a good app and lightning node.
And depending on how you can send it.
But lightning is not just for such a price.
That's just so.
That's what we need to see.
And I'm just saying that you need to understand more,
how lightning works, what's the use case today.
For Phoenix, which is the cost,
if a new channel is made,
it will be done.
That's clear.
And that's why...
From a technical perspective,
you can see different types of things.
What I've said is valid,
but you can see
what they want to achieve.
There are other reasons.
If I have a Lightning-Zallung
or a completely new network,
I have a peer,
I have a peer, which I found, if I would buy money.
And even though this is a good thing,
which you have already said,
it's already bad.
Then it's peer-to-peer.
If you have a single-chain,
a single-chain and a channel on,
then there is no more
a lot of communication.
It's always a peer.
Now they have thought,
can we do this faster?
And then they said,
yes, we would say,
if we would instead of every on-chain
just one partner,
we would say,
if we would have a virtual server
between us,
which is called Arc Service Provider
or whatever.
And that is actually a tree,
a root,
also a root of a tree,
a tree of a tree of a tree,
which then actually
the Bitcoin Protocol duplicated,
but in its space.
And that I find relatively interesting,
because the company is of course Bitcoin, you need to have the server,
you don't trust them, I believe, from what I understand.
But he has the job to be enough gross.
If you want to make a transaction, then he must fund you.
That means a few grosses could do that, maybe even those who are now gross.
But then the U-TechSaw, they call it virtual U-TechSaw Management,
can then run in real time, because you have no blockchain time anymore.
You have to make sure that nobody can rock pull or block.
And it can also be, if a server is open for a server,
that the server will wait for a long time.
That means they have a back-to-back phase,
That means that the server is automatically invalidated,
so that he has his funds.
It's just that he has to be out.
But it's automatically automatically,
if you don't have the channel yet closed.
I found that, when I have this understanding,
that it is a simple parallel system to Lightning,
because it's a tree, not one-to-one or one-to-many,
but a point in the blockchain.
And that's the impression that this will come.
I found that I was very excited.
I have to say that the idea is that you can write information directly into the Blockchain,
but abstractly over a service provider, an ARC operator or an ARC-Betrieber,
which is how the bank has to be under a bank as a kind as a bank-settlement against the whole store,
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because it happens not on the blockchain.
But the server is on the blockchain,
because the server is also on the blockchain.
I find that cool.
because it's always so pauschal,
the lightning is not going to scale.
And there is a tool to do that.
And you have always been cryptographed.
There's always no way to do it.
Not like eCash, which you find cool,
but that's just a cut.
Exactly.
There are different variants,
how you can get back to the money.
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defined that the budget continuedry during the budget as well.
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must always be online,
so that he can hold his money
in his eyes
and not fall out.
Because otherwise
he will be on-chain out
or he will be in this sense.
Yes, you can also on-chain out-of-ge-zahlt
without you wanting it,
if I understand it.
If a person on-chain out-of-ge-zahlt
will, can that mean,
that you on-chain out-of-ge-zahlt
will, although you never want anything.
and this generates for you also costs?
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With all the badges,
with each badge,
as the XO is, which is paid for.
I think it's a tree.
Yes, a tree.
What this means is not to be answered.
Can you say that?
If I understand that, it's not the case.
It's not so, that you're getting out of the way.
with the Double Wallet.
Inner Directory.
Are participants for the server as well.
In the pieces you have to lose your money.
I'll show you at some real time that you save it because your players want.
It's pretty clever but there isn't much doubt about it repeatedly.
I can have a teacher saying.
But thisuclens hype, it's cool, it's silent.
Today I want an ARC up small persons to take care.
Now I have a peer with Lightning, which is not if I make a payment, but if I get a payment.
This is the case, because I have a gross number, the cash has the money and the money makes the money for me.
That can be only if it is a gross.
For me as a user is important to not trust in this, that it works right.
And then, because we don't have to wait for 10 minutes, manage this.
It's actually the same way, so long as cryptographically it goes.
When you say penalty transactions, it also has to be in this sense.
If I can't solve this every time, I can't solve this.
I found in my view that it's exactly as good as lightning,
but it's better.
And one of the hurdles is to say that you don't have a peer,
which you find, if you want to get a job.
That's why, the improvement of the Ablauf.
Yes, that's a good point.
I'm sure it's a good point.
I'm a lot of people here,
so that I can say something about it.
But as we talk about the argument,
it's better than lightning.
We can see if it's at all, whether it's at all.
I believe that it's now half on the market.
Is it possible to have an ARC-Betriebe?
I know that the Decker said that it's a reference to the internet.
If you're interested, look at the ARC website.
website. The show notes is also in the
end of the show notes.
We have them in the live stream.
But I find it a
exciting topic. We will be
on the screen here in the podcast.
I think that, I know that,
I think it's a little bit
a bit of a bit of a
technical freak, if
everywhere, even at the time,
something that doesn't scale,
but we don't do that right.
It's like with the
All of them talk about it, but it's always a good thing.
But we can develop a new plan so that we can be safe.
But the key hammer is always,
the quantum computer breaks Bitcoin.
That's something I find out of the worst arguments against Bitcoin.
Because if you work with banks together,
then you lose the belief that banks are in this position
to switch on a quantum-resistant device.
And at Bitcoin is just a software update.
And the Consensus is then quickly there, if your own money...
I think a quantum computer, which would be free for the whole human being,
would lead to the null coming, all the other together.
and only on Bitcoin.
Because Bitcoin is probably the money technology,
which is the fastest
on this new scenario.
Bitcoin is today already quantitally resistant,
if you use a Adress only once.
With Schnorr Signature
can we do more updates,
which can ensure that you are
quantitally resistant.
We can also make these updates as a soft fork.
you don't need a very big consensus.
So it's all very realistic,
to make a quantum resistance.
But the rest of the Internet,
starting with HTTPS and all the SFTP-Server
and what banks can use,
and that's all to update,
I think that's impossible.
And I think that's a quantum computer,
which is free to use,
I think that's a bad thing.
Yeah, that's funny.
I think that's also a problem,
is not at the Bitcoin or the end user or the internet,
but allgemein is also,
that the quantum computer will first build.
Of course, Microsoft and so on have a quantum computer,
but they are so niche-y,
that you could do something in the Bitcoin-Bereich.
We are almost only years away.
And if that comes so far,
then is, as you say, the software update for Bitcoin is quickly.
It's not just Bitcoin, which then broken,
but actually every communication, everything we do in the Internet,
is public-private key, or at least at Shad 256.
So, yeah, so, you want to say something? Sorry.
Now I said it right wrong.
If you say Shad 256 as a solution,
I have to go to the level of the level of the level of the level.
But it's the same.
It's true.
I never wanted to go to this.
It's funny, we just jumped on it.
It's a great thing to talk about it.
It's a great thing.
But it's not about this.
I'm just talking about the Mass or the conference.
I don't know why I'm not talking about the lightning corry fair.
I've heard from Severin or from others.
They say something different, but what's happening to people?
We are not, we are a freak.
But the others who could have been there...
Lightning, what's that for a crazy thing?
And we've never heard...
And that's not true.
What's happening to people?
It's just the negative.
I find Spahn very good.
Because that's what comes into my life.
In my life, in my life, and I'm a hirsch.
I know, when I get out of my house.
And now I'm going to do this.
That's great.
Exactly.
The Spar changed the whole thing from Big Con.
That's really...
The witziest thing is,
if we had the Migros or the Coop as a partner,
it had probably not a lot of effect.
Migros and Coop only in the Schweiz.
And the Spar only in the whole world.
The fact that we had the Spar,
was in the Schweiz a smaller investor,
but the brand is much bigger.
It helps people to prove that Bitcoin works.
I see it on LinkedIn.
People write, Bitcoin works not,
I scale this and I scale that not.
I don't answer that.
We don't argue that we can't argue.
We can prove that it works.
We can use it in the All-Tag.
It's a cost-of-use, it's scalable.
The question is always, is the trade-off good?
Can we improve it?
But all the arguments that it doesn't work, are wrong.
And it's software.
So you make a software update and then you see the whole story again.
We can also make some other themes with EVM and Ethereum.
It's always called Bitcoin.
But it's not yet, that it's not yet.
We have now with BitVM a protocol where the EVM things can go on,
for the company's work.
It's all not in the development.
But it's extremely dangerous to say,
Bitcoin can this or that.
It can change everything.
It's all changeable.
We're Bitcoin, what's going on,
it's not Blockchain,
but the idea we have.
And we only use Blockchain,
to our idea to drive.
Yeah, maybe again to the Sparthema.
Do you have many other customers,
who came to the market and said,
hey, we want this also?
So, do you have this?
Tatsächlich, ja.
You can't even say anything, but...
I would probably not say that.
But it's really so.
It's a bit of a bit of a bit, if I tell them.
Also, if you really say gross.
Okay, cool.
And the motivation is always the same.
They don't care for crypto, they don't care for Bitcoin.
They find it very interesting,
that we have a peer-to-peer payment method,
where you just pay for peer,
Visa, Mastercard,
and the whole bank will leave it out and it works
and it's very cheap and fast.
That's cool.
And we have already a very big deal of deal with it,
who asked if they could have it, but without crypto.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, of course, that's true.
And my answer was, of course, of course.
It's a peer-to-peer protocol.
We accept for example, Binance.
Also Bitcoin only is without crypto, right?
So you understand.
or you can pay for your Binance App.
That's not a crypto transaction,
but Binance makes an internal contribution from your account to our account What we built up is not Bitcoin Lightning Bitcoin but what we this but it a communication layer where you can do peer
And the easiest way to drive the Bitcoin community is the bitcoins.
Because the bitcoins understand it best.
It's the same as a noser, it's not more bitcoins to do, but bitcoins understand it best.
But it's actually more than only bitcoins.
It's generally a peer-to-peer layer, which is completely open source,
under a free license, where you can just make transactions directly from the sender to the
customer. And Revolut has for example announced that they can be Lightning-Zallings in Europe
or whatever. That means you can just use them in the Zukunft. With the Revolut-App you can
buy them in the Spar. And on the one hand you have Revolut as custodial service. They don't
use ARC. And on the other hand you have a Spar, which is the FX as custodial service
or at least short-term.
We are at the scale of the scale.
This scale is unending,
because you have a custody provider on both sides.
Mass adoption is actually possible
to the current time of the current technology.
The problem is that it is not our ideal.
I also encourage this development around ARC.
I'm a bit more of a bit more than I can say.
Okay, what do you find?
You always need everything.
You need to use the technique, but also the whole marketing,
money, the right structure and everything.
I believe that the spark of David Marcus will make it
and a more often adoption will be more than ever.
What makes Spark different?
What is the idea of the bank?
The problems they want to solve are very similar.
They want to take care of the network with your own keys.
In a certain way, you can use your keys.
And they don't have any other way to sell it.
That's the first idea of the same.
A transaction will cost nothing.
And it should be easy to deal with liquidity.
They want to be the second layer of gear,
also directly into bitcoin?
Yes, they are compared with ARK.
They say that it is compatible with Onchain or Lightning.
If you have ARK, you can scan a Lightning and pay.
You don't have to pay for one or two.
So, they pay for you the Lightning Rechners and then they pay for it?
That's the ARC also.
Or there is another protocol, how he is that?
IC.
Yes, exactly, in ICA there are different models.
I think something specific.
There is also a protocol.
The Fedimint.
Yes, that's right.
Cash-Rubizal.
Yes, exactly.
If you want a Fedimint wallet, you can scan a Lightning Rechners and pay for it.
You make an intern a Fedimint transaction and a Relay for you.
You are like a bank, your Mint is your bank.
The bank pays for your Lightning-Rechnung and your cash-goat.
It's simple, but I think that makes sense,
because it will build on Lightning.
The entire Zahlungsstream can be able to lay down.
I wrote this last in the Buzz Channel.
In the future will Bitcoin as a settlement layer
not only to make a daily basis, but only a few people will use Bitcoin daily.
Only huge institutions such as you, like you, as DFX or so.
Or even some banks.
Lightning will be a Interbankensettlement layer, I believe.
Then E-Cash is also a daily spending for the normal.
Then there is another third layer, which is micro payments for Podcasting 2.0,
whatever, Parking oder irgendwelche Dienstleistungen,
die man Streaming-Sets mässig brauchen kann.
Ich glaube, dieser Ansatz ist wahrscheinlich am nachhaltigsten.
So hast du für jede Use-Case einen eigenen Layer,
der extrem effizient auf diesen Use-Case abgesprochen ist.
Ich weiss natürlich nicht, wie das bei ARK oder Spark rauskommt,
But I hope that if they don't have these layers, they can never...
In your image, which you have shown, is clear that ARC and Spark are layered 3.
That's not 100%, but so visually speaking, can you imagine that you are in this Spark or ARC-Netzwerk
and if you want to go out, you don't make a transaction.
That's always the worst case, but if you want to go out,
you go through a relay via lightning.
From the Anwender-Ebene here is Spark or ARK a layer 3.
The reason why I'm a little more euphorical and at the moment,
is to look at who has all of them committed to there.
Coinbase, Revolut, Breeze.
The Breeze brings an own APK, an own software solution,
which you can build in the wallet or in the gaming app.
This is specifically for Spark.
We see the gross brands that support them, that they support them.
And you can also emit tokens.
That also brings capital to you.
You can also show up with RGB and Taro.
We were also in a conversation.
We had a conversation with them already in many years.
They wanted to build and build and build.
So with both? With Taro and RGB?
Yes.
And they didn't have the speed, which you need.
Maybe they could build long-term,
but I'm a little unsure.
We see, it's great that it's possible to use more opportunities.
Compatibility, also
ja, eigentlich wirklich
Compatibility, das belebt
den Markt, das ist super für den End-User.
Absolut, genau. Wir haben jetzt ganz viele Projekte,
die sagen, sie sind das bessere Lightning
und alle Projekte
untereinander sind kompatibel
via Lightning.
Das ist mega cool. Das ist cool, ja.
Das ist wirklich lässig.
Super.
Wollen wir noch
zum nächsten Thema kommen? Ich weiss nicht,
vielleicht,
ich habe gedacht,
the whole
The whole thing with
the Tether,
who already announced
or already a bit of a struggle
but now announced, that
they are the biggest Bitcoin-Miner.
What is your opinion
to do, Sasha?
They have that money, right?
They can build everything.
They can build up
and build up as a miner
and they are already in the mining business.
And that's
Most of the Centers, which they have,
have a chance toother here,
here Jesus' Israel capital Pourbat.
I'm going to offer,
because they are given up to this,
and they will begin Swap and go towards which mining reps for inventing this.
And that speaks to itself not that.
Is it really rational, if...
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They just buy it.
That's always a good idea to buy it.
Of course.
I always say,
when I talk about mining,
that for the normalcycling
is it more attractive.
But I think that's the idea
that every, I say,
every company or every company,
that much money has,
should make.
And it's absolutely right,
that they invest in the infrastructure.
And if they invest in mining,
that means that Bitcoin
more safer,
that it's more a business model,
which they now have, with USDT, but also with Bitcoin,
more stabiler will.
I think they want the Bitcoin exposure to increase.
I mean, USDT, that's how much it is.
I think that's a business model,
which will not so quickly go away,
because the US will not make 180 degrees wind.
Yeah, but they buy very many states-inline,
American states-inline.
And who bought the shares?
The Americans are friends.
We have now in the Crypto-Welt
people who buy our states-inline.
And I think that's probably
a problem in the future.
The dollar and so on,
how the data might be done.
But if they strengthen the Bitcoin-Netzwerk
with more miners,
So to Me Too Why this should have a problem here.
It's also a problem reputation, because Tether censure
they have a lot of feedback
throughout Tether to make sure,
you can have Maria's planning
67 years old
I understand this too,
because it could not work with their structure, which they have.
But would we really take this as the biggest Bitcoin miner?
Wow, I think they will be the biggest Bitcoin miner.
That's a good question, we know it.
They have a lot of money,
but I don't know how much the Bitcoin mining space has.
I have no idea, but I can imagine that if they go into it,
that will then be the other one more.
Because they think, we have a big competitor,
we need to get more gas.
That could also come very well.
In my notes I wrote in a article,
that they would come over 1% of the global Hashrate.
That's not so much.
There are more mining pools.
Maybe they are the most miners and not the most pool.
The difference between pool template provider and grinder,
I say grinder, but just the hash rate as a machine,
that must be a little together.
I don't want that Tether a template provider for such a big amount.
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What I found in a story
funute 3 years term
has to put 250 MW cock-annel air
if you're a tech begin a concurrent labor
for example Beznau
365 MW, that means that almost a whole, not a whole,
but maybe 80-70% of a atom-krafts
directly in their opinion.
That means that they also need to invest in energy infrastructure.
And depending on what they do,
I think about Uruguay or Paraguay,
because they've already invested in the past,
could it be more exciting?
It was exciting. The last came, that the Fusionsreaktor Wendelstein,
in German, could be 100 million dollars hold on 30 minutes.
If there is so much money around, why not?
That would be a very nice thing.
Is there so much money around that it can be a fusion?
No.
The analogy that you can not only 100% find.
You know, these reactions are not so gross.
If you think that you can't see the power of this,
I think that it's always a word.
The Flugzeugabsturz is gross.
Also, such a fusion reactor would be in potential a little,
also, physically.
I don't know how much energy it would be needed,
until they are so on.
In any case, we need to be able to use as a planetar.
We need to be able to use energy.
I'm also one of those who say, I say,
but I say, you can use energy to be able to use energy.
But the premium energy is electric.
And we need to use energy.
Because then you can develop new ideas and use them,
because the energy is around.
You don't have to ask me,
killed my business idea, which would be for society maybe even more useful.
Finally, the red line, which says, to the cost, because energy is to the cost.
That's why Tether or other people on global scale would be the technology
going forward.
Those who say, we should now do the Atomkraftwerk,
because the heutigen Technic are much better,
that's not to beurteiled.
But of course, they should then do quite a bit of money.
And if they just want to imagine that they can buy more Bitcoin.
Yes, look at what it comes to mind.
I think it's good if a exponent is more in Bitcoin,
even if it's just mine.
I'm happy that they invest in a bit and not directly buy Bitcoin.
There would be more than people like Sailor,
who then in Prague on the Bühne are and say,
go to your family, your family, your family, your family, your family,
and pick out each indication of your commission I can buy
all in Bitcoin.
Yeah, them is probably –
Bitcoin's almost all in .
That´s video that right,
and at the end of this video,
those are doing to free 7,000USU,
so they still don´t get that.
So they do they still do it?
They do they have the ability.
Echt Hub ort.
What I care about,
the people just need them.
They want to get a smart deal.
They believe that their Ложuszament
in September switchceubs from China.
For многие companies say,
there's an έχess at them put it be.
And you will now have to spend faith
on Bitcoin investing.
The internet is here.
He is a very strong communication in this area.
Paul, the Chiefs leader, said that his crypto portfolio
could be 100% as Bitcoin.
Yes, you see what it is in Lugano.
Yes, exactly.
It's quite clear that it has a lot of 1-2% shitcoins in tokens,
which we don't talk about it.
But I really want to say that Tether are Bitcoin.
Absolutely.
And you see it also.
Lugano is actually all through Tether.
And that's great, what happens with the Spar.
I think one Spar has in Lugano.
Yeah, right.
That's right.
You can also pay Bitcoin.
Cool.
Another thing that we can also pay for.
Sascha, you have a new project
at the conference.
We had the conference
in the third time.
But
it was more a surprise.
I'm with my
dance-soul, I'm the president of the dance-soul
in Kreuzlingen.
When was I was about
15 years ago,
we were at the fantastical
and we were there
told us, we were doing workshops,
shows live bands come the salsa music
and the people can dance and as I came with the president
in the conversation he told me that Lidl as sponsor
for this year and then I asked him if we could
help you to help him with the fantastic
fantastic is the biggest
See, Feuerwerk Europas.
Bei uns am Bodensee
mit Konstanz zusammen kommen da
Hunderttausende von Menschen, die
sich das Feuerwerk
anschauen und wir haben drei Tage dann
Programm sozusagen.
Einmal beginnen mit dem
Tanzverein über die Connections zu dem
Oka vom Fantastical.
Da habe ich dann gefragt,
wie steht der zu Bitcoin?
Sascha, wir kennen dich, wir wissen, dass du
im Bitcoin Space bist und mittlerweile
sind wir auch ein bisschen schlauer geworden. Wir werden
that we can even make it with us as a sponsor here.
So we can also take it with us as a sponsor.
So is then the idea that I found out there,
that they would have met with us.
I contacted all my audience here.
And Cyril of course also new to me,
because I had already contacted him.
Then I asked them to ask,
hey, will we go to something completely new?
We have a Open-Air-Festival,
where we Bitcoin can be shown here in the German Süddeutschen.
in the Schweiz, the people in Österreich, they can all come with.
So that would be a big event, where we can have a big
Bitcoin community, maybe from Bitcoin,
here to take off, in which we act as a
main sponsor. And Lidl is also a world company,
so like the SPAR, which we are going to use
with our new-growing team.
I say now Team, that's called Bitcoin Bodensee,
with the Cyril is here,
the Sascha Krumbach from Green Mining DAO
and I with the Swiss Bitcoin Conference.
So I took the two Jungs to get into it
and then we took the main sponsor for the big fest,
which here in our wide range
has many people unlocked and we can position it with the topic Bitcoin.
That's what we are also in the press, we are in the newspaper, in the newspaper, in the
newspaper and also in the advertising, with a Bitcoin-Zeichen.
That's what the people think here in Kreuzlingen, what is here?
That's a little Bitcoin-Hochburg.
And with the Fest we have thought, what do we do?
I hope that all the Bitcoiner come here, they are all welcome.
But we have a public audience that is here at such a folks' festival,
with family, who are going to flanier and come in our orange cell
and want to know more about Bitcoin.
So it was the idea of the idea, with the young people together,
this Fantastical here to rock.
And we are very present with Bitcoin in Switzerland and Germany.
the Australian, really here present
where they can now
more about Bitcoin learn.
Because we are now a big
big festival as Bitcoin Family
sponsored.
So this is in this case a dance festival?
No, no, no.
That's
Fantasticlistenfest,
there is a lunar park
with
places for children,
Hüpfburgen,
There are places where you can eat and drink.
There is a huge area, maybe you know it's still at the sea,
that starts at the beginning of Constance and goes almost to the Bortigof.
That is, the whole sea is filled with the Selte,
which are then built up and can then take a huge area.
Of course, you can drink food, music is in the individual parties or the Selts.
And at the end of the day, the program is set up with the big fireworks, which you can see on the sea.
And after the fireworks, there are parties until 3-4 o'clock.
There are Hip-Hop, Techno, there are also various parties, all the possible parties.
because there are almost 70.000 people who come there and come on the day and evening, especially on the day, when there is a firework.
We have said that we will make a place, we will have a place to do it, we have the editor, the Cyrilbdfx.swiss,
I call it the name, so you can see what exactly that is, then he is Sasha from Greenlining DAO.
with. And I have
another Jonathan
with the Wicht from
Dezentral Shop, who
helps us here,
a little merchandising to work,
so that we can present a few books here,
and people here play the orange.
And there is another small
lounge to do, where we can
get a little bit of a conversation,
get a little bit of a conversation.
Plus, of course, what's
important is, is a
small screen,
on which a speaker
then for a minute
something to tell
and there I look at
with the team
who makes
what program
makes
so that is
the plan for
the fantastical
from
8 to 10
August
next month
and we are
very short
that is all
very
spontan
entstanden
and
now we are
obviously
and to plan everything and to see how we can get it all.
But we have already thought about it.
We have already taken a few ideas here.
We have a Luftballons for the kids.
We have a Glücksrad where you could win a sentence.
We have a popcorn in the conversation.
We have different things that might be important for these people,
which then have an interest in us,
to come and learn something about Bitcoin.
I will be able to get all the Bitcoin.
It will probably be a topic that will be something that will be,
if someone wants to know something about Bitcoin.
I came from our 21 Meetup in Turgau.
There is a team with which I want to play some small info.
If people want to know something about Bitcoin,
then we have the young people in these orange Polos here,
which can then be able to see more information.
We have of course with Amster Ullam on the app which we will use the Bitisitaro app which he has done extra A bitcoin only app with lightning Am Sirilam stand die App die wir nutzen werden die Bitisitaro die er extra gemacht hat Eine Bitcoin mit Lightning die sie installieren k
Das heißt, dadurch, dass wir Hauptsponsoren sind, bekommt jeder, der zum Fest kommt, auch einen Extrafly von uns, auf dem er die App abscannen kann.
Und hoffentlich hat ihm die App auch eine URL.
Ja, natürlich.
Natürlich, das wird ja kein Thema sein.
because in the conversation,
we said that all the people who come to the app,
they have the opportunity to get the app,
and they have the opportunity to get the sat.
We're now talking about how we can do that.
The idea is that we all the people who come to the board,
with 10 or 100 sat, that's something that's something.
And these can they then really use it.
It's going to be the experience of Zahlungen.
Cyril had said that that's a lifestyle,
that's something cool, I'm paying now with sat,
I'm using the Bitcoins.
And we would have the opportunity to really have so many people on board on the weekend.
I'm excited about the numbers, how many people have the app sent to the end.
We have different ideas.
We want to do that with the funds system.
Everyone who gives his Becher back, doesn't get two francs, but two francs in the sat.
He doesn't have to stand anywhere.
the problem is that the people who get food out of the food
must have a food entgegen to take us on the stand, on the beer stand
we have a own beer stand, Bitcoin beer, that has Sasha Kumpar here
there are a small station where only the food can be given back
and the people just get a sense of it
also that is also again entstanden when we were at the See
They were at the grill.
There were a few people in the room.
They had a few DINs and they took me good.
Also, we want,
think about 50.000,
60.000 people
at one week on board.
And they are from today to tomorrow
Bitcoin.
If they install the app,
they are in the box.
They are in the box.
I do this like this on the conference.
Everyone of us gets a NFC-Karte
from the box.
I'm still on with 10.000.
Thatnal sch neighborhoods are now refereed together.
But it is about that ability to get
This handling that, the other 4x, theature is a person whom you call
This is a thinking, they are more Well at.
and start to deal with more and then they will be more and at the end
they will be the Bitcoin-Verstand and will probably be the right Bitcoiner.
And I think that the option with the App, which you earlier gave me the opportunity,
is a great option for so many people to onboard and they on Bitcoin.
Super.
In this case, for everyone, find it something that is music-technical,
if it is a-sense-technical.
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den mann da zusammen sitzt also wenn die Bitkonある da sind können
sie an jeder stelle sogar bei unserem Amzelten süßen abhängen und sich mit
other people. We don't have a big fan of
active advertising, but
we want to
reach the Bitcoiner.
So I'm here today
to tell you a bit about it,
that the Jungs here
will be able to do it.
But we really have a lot to do,
because it is a spontane
that we have to use.
We didn't have to use it every time,
that we can
here Bitcoin so present.
I was very happy that Cyril and Sasha helped me here, Bitcoin to show.
And how can we get the next stand? Can we get the next stand?
Yes, we are right there.
We have said that with the OKA from Phantastical, that was a important point we wanted to take off,
that all the investors who are at Phantastical are on board.
So Cyril will see that almost 100 customers,
which sell food and food and so on,
and that they also have Bitcoin-Salon.
He is already a professional in this area
and that can be able to take it.
And we can also have 100 companies onboard,
which will then in the future
at every event festival Bitcoin-Salon.
That is in this case,
if this is so happening,
the biggest festival that you can buy the most
on different places with bitcoin.
Probably with a distance.
I don't know if it's a pretty big place.
It's about five to ten.
Yeah, exactly.
And, yeah.
We're talking about 80.
That's crazy, yeah. Cool.
Not only that, we have here
in Prague with 10'000 visitors.
Las Vegas is at 30'000 visitors.
You have to say that
that's the biggest part of bitcoin,
which we pay bitcoin.
I think at a festival, there could be many people who say,
I don't pay Bitcoin.
So, we're just off.
We had a little bit of a break in the Updates.
I saw it probably a few minutes later,
that the Updates broke down.
I started it, as I noticed it.
We discussed it then,
so we didn't start it again.
Fantastico was already finished.
We started talking about the 80'000 Bitcoin, which were already gone.
And...
Yeah...
It was fun. Sorry for the technical question.
But we start with the topic,
what could happen with these 80'000 Bitcoin, which are the reasons.
I understand you.
I'm right, that's not changing your life.
But it's also very interesting to be with these things in detail.
For example, if you look at the strategical beacon reserve,
the US Bicons, which they have, why do they have this?
That's a good deal.
And a big part of it comes at the end of the Tether.
Is that so? Okay. Spannend.
Also not the Tether itself, but the Bitfinex.
But that's very close.
And there was a hack that gave.
And that's a good deal.
and these Bitcoins could then be sure.
And I'm doing a big deal of what Americans think
as a reserve reserve.
But actually, after a human being,
they would have to give them Bitfinex back.
Because they were in Bitfinex.
And the Americans have a very exciting sense of this.
During the Corona-Zeit,
there were the biggest Bitcoins that you could get.
Those who were confiscated from the FBI were then brought back.
I made the wits of all that you can't have the whole thing.
You can't have the whole thing, if you have the FBI.
You just hope that when you send the Beacons to Binance or whatever,
that they realize that and block you not to block you,
because they didn't get with it, that they are still sauer.
That's just the shit in the gross way.
That's always the shit in the gross way.
There is another theory, that legacy addresses are not more safe.
Maybe not so extreme, but maybe that there was a private key generator,
which was used in a bad way.
That could also be.
Everyone who heard this,
weiss, if he knows that he has a Bitcoin,
then he has to do something.
That's completely lost from what happens.
I have to do something.
And that will happen.
I find the stories interesting.
The Verschwörungstheorien, the Mausheleien,
but for me is important,
I think it's important for others to keep their money in the big economy.
It doesn't have to be compromised.
And if, then we're listening to something.
We're talking about something.
You have time to consolidate yourself.
And then you're doing it.
Then you're in a safe way.
I mean, at the beginning...
The big ones were from 2011 when I was informed.
I think between 2010 and 2014.
2011 had it no longer time.
Also, the 12 words we all know today, 24.
That's all later.
And now it's just a lot of verloren.
Or stolen, hacked, etc.
It's pretty exciting.
I heard the theory about this, that there was a cryptographic outbreak.
The legacy-adresses are not more secure.
and that we could then do this,
and could be free and set a sign.
But still, they didn't just kill them,
but they gave them the chance to give them,
if they hear them, then take them.
Weiss I don't know.
It's all about a lot of fun.
Many have said that Bitcoin will now go into the hole.
Maybe we should it in the words,
where the normal Bitcoin, which is the last thing,
is to say, if you have your Bitcoins on the Bitbox,
you don't have it, then it doesn't matter.
Yes, exactly.
Then everything is good.
There are still some of the devices that were on the computer,
and the data are still speared.
And I have to use
a PC1 or something.
Minimum, yes.
Is PC2 better?
No, there is PC1Q,
I think that is very good, and PC1P
I think that is correct.
Yes, that's correct.
The P is not a critic.
It's not a signature.
There are many exchanges that are not able to buy it.
Yes, and there are many that support this.
Yes, there are many that support this BC1P-Adress-Format.
But these coins are now on the BC1P-Adress.
It could be that the Eigentum said that I would bring my coins in the same way.
Or, there's someone else's.
Or so, he's selling it.
Or, he's selling it.
What I'm wondering is that the price has been changed since last week.
Yes.
Some said that's not a problem.
I was also very unsure.
Michael Saylor bought it not.
Okay.
I thought, now it's all together.
Why did you get it?
I think that's a good idea.
Because more of the price is sold as the price is sold.
That's not possible.
It's not even the same.
You are a good idea.
I'm not a financial man.
Why do you have to do 10%?
Just like that, because the weather is nice.
I think that the one through the current market I mean the war inannie packed among the contexts in pitching and the other side of the institution that largest has spend
the first half pay for a contribution to Emhoneus.
Will, and that will help it even a crazy amount?
I think that's just one factor.
It's probably hundreds of thousands.
And that's exactly what we know.
We are certainly in the opinion,
that it's massive underrated.
Yes, absolutely.
If we have a deeper market capitalization than gold,
we're completely underrated.
I mean, Bitcoin is much more than gold.
The only thing that gold has in the financial markets,
so that you can explain to people what Bitcoin is.
Absolutely.
It's really so.
But the Goldbugs are the first,
who Bitcoin can understand.
No, I think it's not.
If you're a libertarian Anlässe,
you have so many people,
who are Goldbugs,
who just with Bitcoin not clear.
Really?
I think that's very impressive.
I thought they were the first,
because they're the first to recognize
and they're at home gold.
Now they have a new suit,
so that they're not smaller.
But this is the time that they are open for new technologies.
They are so in their world, they have to do something hard to do.
They say, if I do not do anything, then intrinsically.
They've never read me.
I saw last video from the Zürcher Libertarian,
Roman was the name, and Oliver Tralala and Caspar.
Yes, exactly.
Have you seen it?
I looked at it.
It's the same.
But the question is, Sepp has always been told that I was totally neutral, but Caspar
is better.
What is, just completely neutral, is his opinion better?
The details should we have removed from it?
No, no, wait.
It's always the case. Roman says that, I'll let myself do it. Roman says that, he's been a failure.
I'm asking, where is the failure of Bitcoin, so that someone can come again?
I think that's pretty easy. He bought Bitcoin and everything and feels too late and such the next Bitcoin.
No, it's not that the people have interest.
They want to make money and earn money.
He's looking for the next investment opportunity,
which he can make.
I can't give a good answer to that.
We have all the available coins at the Fx.
There are many people who say that they are better,
because I can transfer my 80'000 pieces,
I'm going to transfer it, that someone sees it.
But I think that the whole argument is very infallible.
It's clear that there is nothing that is better than Bitcoin.
And if you see it differently,
then you have some interests
or you have it just not understood.
There are other things behind Bitcoin,
which are other benefits.
There are also some criticism about
and certain blockchains only for gamble.
But gamble is also a benefit.
We can talk a long way about it,
but I feel very serious about it,
if someone says that something is better than Bitcoin.
I also reacted to his LinkedIn post.
The title was called
Why Casper is better than Bitcoin.
I read a long article and I didn't read it.
I wrote a comment on the comment, but I didn't write it.
It gave me quite a few likes.
I think it's very impressive that others do this and then discuss it.
I have a lot of respect for it, but I don't do it.
I mean, this is a promotion action.
This event was in the Schweiz.
Yeah, in Syria.
And he probably had a platform where he could then sign up here.
Yeah, I was about libertarian, something like that.
Roger Brennwald, that was a TV-Moderator, was there was the host.
And I made a link in a link in a German,
who commented on that, said that in two hours,
that he was just the highlights and commented on it.
And I saw that.
But that one's even more honest and then not concretely,
why he's a better product.
I don't know if it's a
Zuger-Findling of Kaspar
or something.
It's not a good thing.
No, no, no.
They're all in the tunnel.
No, that's fine.
I didn't know that
something with the Schweiz is going to do.
It's me also the same.
Ethereum of the foundation is the right thing.
It's me the same.
So literal I'm not a fool.
It's me the same.
I look at the product.
But if the woman was there, I have to see what he was talking about.
He was the only one who spoke to the Dutch and the other not.
So like I am.
And he was always talking about the camera-like plenary of the Libertarians,
who then brav clapped.
He was already wearing the Wands.
That was already good.
I have also the Libertarian at the first conference and the second conference
and the second conference.
It's a bit of a split point.
And the interest is there.
And it's something political, something interesting.
what comes to this.
Also,
I'm not against the libertarianism.
I'm not neutral.
I'm not against it.
Like usual.
The Schweizer.
There's the text,
when we plant it,
that's from Canton to Canton.
Shall we go on the last topic?
Have you got any interest?
Yes, what have we got?
Frost und Frost-Snap.
Can you tell us something about it?
No.
I love it,
I'm in Technique very deep
in it to be given.
But ultimately,
I always look for the use of
the real world,
so that I can also
my mother
be bringing.
I can also
my friends.
If they ask me,
what do you do,
I say,
come here in the spa,
I'll show you how it works.
That's what I do.
I found a case for Frost.
How do I use it?
Because of that, my motivation is a little bit.
I can explain how I understand how it works.
Frost is a way of using Signature.
Frost is a bit of a flexible round optimized snore.
Schnorr-Threshold Signatures.
Und die Folge
davon ist eigentlich, dass man die Anzahl
von Kommunikationsrunden zwischen
Schnorr-Multisig-Teilnehmern muss
machen bei einem Multisig-Wallet.
Also das heisst, man hat zum einen
die Verbesserung in der Netzwerk
bei den Breiten, dass man weniger Daten
hin- und herschicken muss. Die Zeit und die Möglichkeit
von Fehler sind natürlich auch viel geringer.
Und ähnlich eben
wie bei Multisig-Wallets kann man
so mit mehreren Leuten
eine Signatur machen,
which looks like a identity.
So we have a 10 out of 7 Multi-Sign Wallet,
which 7 people signify.
So I can now use this Frost
with 7 people a sign of the name
and it looks like a person.
The same thing with 10 people.
It's privacy-based, you need a block space, and it's only one signature.
Frostsnap, which is a new company, is now on,
a signature device or a hardware wallet for Multisync.
which is a bit box in an Apple Watch with a USB-C port, which is like a daisy chain.
So, this is a bit of a bit box in an Apple Watch with a USB-C port.
I have just looked at this video, you put it in your phone,
let's say three of these Frost devices,
you can use them,
if I would like to use a Multi-Sig Wallet,
one is a Multi-Sig Wallet that I have at home,
one is at the bank and one is somewhere else on the world,
and then I can use them so, set them up, sign them,
and then you have to set it up not to be complicated.
It's really very easy to do.
I can take it geographically and then go back and signify it,
signify it, signify it, and so relatively easy to do.
Ohne gross technisch any sense of any idea.
It's really UI-messig awesome.
I found it really cool.
I have the video in the show notes that you can see it in 2 minutes.
Okay, it doesn't even bother me if I can say that.
Okay.
Let's start with the first one.
I have a iPhone and there is a hardware wallet.
That means there is a chip in there, which is NDA.
Is that not compatible with Apple?
I don't know if it is compatible with Apple.
In my video, they had an Android-handy.
Yeah, exactly.
But it can be good, that it is exactly that.
You can use Android.
But we can do it on Bluetooth.
I think the new Bitbox does it also on Bluetooth.
Yes, you can use it on the i,
so you have to have the Strom.
But the communication is on Bluetooth
on the Bitbox. I find it cool.
I have already pre-ordered.
Also here on this one,
I can use Bitbox to listen.
Absolutely, yes.
There is also a discounted discount in the show.
Very, very good.
Yes, it's different points.
probably with the iPhone it doesn't work,
you need Android.
Is that really a case?
One of the best
for Multisig
is for example,
you say, I don't trust Ledger,
I don't trust Bitbox.
I combine them.
I make a Multisig from Ledger and Bitbox.
That's a case for a case.
This is not the case,
you just combine three times
the same hardware from the same hardware.
I think that all is open to open,
and that could implement other hardware-share-share-share.
I guess.
I don't know, but someone should do it.
That's true.
It's a critical thing on the high level.
But if you want a multi-seek,
and you want a very high-quality and a very simple use,
you can use our BTC Taro wallet.
We have on-chain, lightning, but also multi-seek.
And it's super easy to use.
You have the situation where you put some devices in a different way but if you say that it not a matter of money you can have it then you buy three phones And if you want to give a transaction
you define the first one with the deposit address
and the payment you want to send.
Then you click on the button,
there is a QR code,
you scan with the second phone,
you see all the deposit address and the payment you want
We have a super multi-sign solution,
with a whole handy as hardware wallet.
You have nothing to do with it.
That's also a case.
I don't know if this is comparable to a repeat box.
But at the end, you have to ask,
for what you need to do real?
The companies need this option,
just a solution.
Yes, we have many of them to come to us.
They want something to do with big hands,
and there are more than the benefits.
If they have the responsibility of the company,
if not the chef of the company doesn't hear,
because it's a huge concern,
that the company has a few million dollars on his phone,
and the full responsibility for this must be.
And then the answer is always,
if you want a multi-site,
you can have the responsibility
on many management-Mitarbeiter.
And they don't want to have a hard wallet.
They trust.
That iPhone in combination with our app
is enough trust-worth.
I don't need to do that.
But it's also a hot wallet.
It's a hot wallet, yeah.
I'd say that with a sign-in device, cold storage,
it can be done.
That's why we can also use several parties.
The CEO, the government,
the Schatzkanzler,
who can give their signature.
But I think it's a cool concept.
Can you imagine that it can be in other hardware wallets
kind of like this?
I find it a new concept for Multisig,
which is really easy to see.
I believe that today, even Bitcoiners,
are already there, are always a huge thing about Multisig.
Multisig is always a huge thing.
If you want to put the Citaro app down and test it,
and then they see how it's really easy.
Yes, very good.
Do we have anything else that you want to talk about?
Or do we have to finish this whole thing?
Yes, I would like to come back to our festival.
I don't want to interview it yet,
but what they will do all of it.
Yes, we are still preparing.
We are still preparing.
Everything is a little bit short.
But it's certainly so,
that the more Bitcoin we have to offer,
the better we can also brand Bitcoin.
If there are some of those who have to accept Bitcoin,
they can't accept Bitcoin enough Bitcoin.
Every Bitcoiner must at least one time
and ask if I can get Bitcoin.
It would be cool if we can get it medial.
It would be stupid if it was a festival and people didn't get it.
We have the opportunity to brand it.
It's Friday and Sunday the Eintrity is costless, but on Sunday it's Eintrity.
And you can pay the Eintrity with Bitcoin.
We are already at the same time.
We are now at the same time, so that they all can accept Bitcoin.
But it's clear that they have other Sorgen.
It's not so that they don't stand up and think, I need Bitcoin.
Their Sorgen and Gedanken are different.
We come and say, you don't have to accept it.
And then they think, what should that be?
But the best is to come to the people on Friday.
We are with our team, with the EFX.
We try to move all of those who have not accepted it,
to move them, to make them with them, to set a QR code.
So they accept Bitcoin.
And then we also have to put a lot of water on it.
We have a bar, which we can buy.
It would be really cool if we can buy a bar,
and have people in the Austausch and talk about Bitcoin.
It's not about people to be able to invest their Altersvorsorge
in Bitcoin.
Or that they can buy a mega-weighted price.
It's just about them to experience it, to see how it works.
We do it so, that we haven't done it yet.
We'll be live on the meetup.
Friday,
up.
Up 16.00.
Up 4.00.
We'll see who there is.
You can see the orange Zelt.
Neben the bar is the
Bitcoin Bar.
We have a beer bar.
That's our big bar.
We can come with that.
We can test a little bit
how it works.
and how it works.
That's great.
I'm going to enjoy it.
That's cool.
Cool.
Also,
when is that?
Is that 9th or 8th?
That's the 8th.
8th August.
8th August is the Friday.
At 16.00
starts the festival already.
That's the end of the day
is free on Friday.
On Sunday is the same.
There is no longer
and on Sunday
it costs 20.00
for the fireworks to see here
something about Bitcoin.
Also, there's no price for a big event
where you can get a little bit of information.
And it's of course,
it's a nice place where we can hang together,
where we can drink a beer,
a little bit of hang out,
we can talk about it.
It's going to be a bit of networking.
It's the most fun to learn the people.
And to talk about it.
In which area is it?
You have said that the whole festival area
is really huge.
That's right at the beginning.
As a guest sponsor
you get the best place.
You come in and you see us on the right side
with a orange light.
That means we'll see
if we have a balloon on the light
so you can see the orange
Bitcoin logo of the whole festival
see. That means you can
directly come to us.
Also
it's perfect for the place.
I hope that many people
here with the Biti Sitaro
onboarding
and giving them a few shots.
If you can win a few shots,
you can come on.
At the DFX-Stand
you have a
Glücksrad and then you can get a few shots
for a few shots.
So is the idea.
Let's see what we can do all this.
I can do it.
I'm super excited.
It will be a different meetup.
I hope that many people come.
Many listeners here.
It will be a cool event and I hope that the weather is good.
Until now, the last year, when I was here,
I think we had almost once in the 15th of years a little rain.
But the rain was again.
The August is in the most common sense, but we don't know.
That's true.
But I hope we can get a great fest here.
It's not far from the conference place,
where we are, the people who already are in a conference
are just running down
and are already already on the floor.
So we're going to
a bit of the Werbeton in the last 3-4
Wochen here pushen,
so that we also have the Bitcoiner
on the stand. We have the opportunity to
meet so many Bitcoiner together
to meet and from the conference,
which we have in April.
Very cool.
Ah, who can I do with that?
Who comes as Speaker?
I've already got a few,
even if I haven't so much,
Wherebum went to college.
The Alex waves from wearing good eyes.
In rare are the text
that is called book
on Friday we are dead.
That's nd the has to be the
test there to be TARY
and then they'll be turned in
Alex painting on that,
who holds the new
-ANT-BRARMAGE
on-book and teaches
why everything is going overweight.
Cool.
And then
Thank you very much.
It's nice to all you are here.
It's been a lot of fun.
I hope you can hear it.
I saw that a few live
were in the Twitter space.
Not at Fountain,
but that's a technical reason.
It will be possible.
Maybe, when it's on Fountain,
then we'll be right back to Noster.
Which is also better.
What I wanted to say is
I have to say something about my own thing.
I have a question.
What is the feedback here?
Feedback is not much.
No, no, no, no.
Gil wrote GM.
And Sapi asked,
he said that it wasn't on Fountain.
But I saw that there were a few of them
who listened to me.
Thank you very much.
And then I have another thing.
And it's new possible,
that you can also be able to
on Fountain. You can also subscribe
for a little subscription.
Five dollars a month,
payable in Bitcoin,
but also in Fiat,
if you want.
Just so that the podcast
will be more than a podcast.
I will not be more than a podcast
like other podcasts.
I think that's always very bad.
Come, we'll make a bit of a bit of a podcast.
You're just a bit of a podcast.
Thank you very much.
And you'll need a bit of a podcast here.
Exactly.
The goal is just that I have a bit of a
I can greet you with a good quality.
Thank you very much for listening.
Thank you very much for your support in the past.
With Boosts, with Streaming-Sets etc.
Look at these three Jungs.
One is the Fantastico,
one is the Spar.
I think it's enough.
We can also link the Maps,
where all Spars are listed,
which I can accept.
of course.
We have also talked about Tino's blog, which we had last time in the episode.
It's also very exciting to see it.
And think about it,
on August 8th, Friday,
at 16.00,
at the Orange Zelt in Krützlingen
at Fantastic World at the Haupteingang.
Thank you, we're looking forward to you.
Yes, so.
Thank you very much.
And for those who live here were,
and for the other, a good week.
Thank you.
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