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And so I have a guest.
I had to look at the last time
and it was episode number 33.
I thought, can this be so long since it's been?
Yes, it is so long since it's been.
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Welcome Ronny Grob, it's been a long time.
Thank you for the invitation, it's nice to be here.
I would like to say, it's been a long time since it's been a long time.
We need to change it next time.
so that we don't have a long time.
Roni, would you maybe
yourself yourself
just to tell you,
who you are,
what you are doing,
why you are in the Bitcoin-Szene,
so that people know,
I think the most know them actually,
but for those who know them
maybe not,
know them,
what they do.
I'm a free-to-one journalist,
I'm one of the few journalists,
who worked in the KV
and worked in the private sector
before he went into journalism.
and I found Bitcoin in 2016 and 2017.
I found the Existence always more.
It was something that fascinates me.
You always ask me why it fascinates me.
I don't know exactly what I see as a revolutionary
with massive influence on all my life.
That's why it's something that I'm a lot of interested in.
I think it's all about it. I think it's the most of the listeners.
Very cool. You're also working on Meetups and events.
You've been in Baden, in Krützlingen and in Nomali irgendwo moderated.
In Thun.
You were also in the Tune.
And you were also, as I wrote,
a Lightning-Note-Betrieber.
Yes, I thought I was from a dumbness.
I was just a good idea,
but I have also the technical requirements,
which I need to be a bit,
and I have to be a bit of a bit.
In the meantime, I say,
the most problems can be from me
I can't solve the chatbots from me quite well.
I could solve the problem with the chatbot.
I'm not so confused about the company of my Lightning Node.
But I must say that this is actually a good thing.
I find it fantastic that I'm part of it.
And if something doesn't understand,
it's something that's better to understand.
Or thinking about problems that we don't have to solve.
It's the same thing.
I learned a lot during the training of my Lightning Node.
You said you were also a miner.
I bought a BitEx and she's in my bag.
You found not a block?
I look every morning at it.
but it's not happened.
I can't even rechna.
Yeah, I know.
Maybe.
I think it's higher than with the Lotto.
Yeah, but when we're with a Lotto-Gener
rechna, that's actually not.
Yeah, we talked about
what a topic we can handle today.
We said that
the United States of the Switzerland
Bitcoin in the same way.
It would be a exciting topic.
Allgemein,
I said that the Swiss story, to understand the whole Neutrality,
is very important.
Should we start directly?
Bitcoin is a neutral money,
the Schweiz is a neutral country.
It depends on how to do it.
I think that Neutrality is a great thing.
I forget that before 100, 200 years ago, people had no pass.
They could just go around the world, go around, go around,
and then it changed.
The national states want everything to be established.
Every square centimeter of the world want to have an influence.
And the Schweiz is also a national state.
I think it's a more free-to-one national state than other national states.
at all. So this is something that we try to be sätt welcome to find.
This is also something that we feelUh Prosperiae and makes the whole country
of neo he's got there as aobic腸 built into dominance
European economy set himself as something that is done very
beautiful for the産士.
The state had over 170 years no more fights for the–
Swiss border.
That earned victorious side enemies,
I think that it is a very good thing.
It is even a bit of a criticism,
that the whole country is being held out.
But for the whole country,
it is the best thing that happens.
He can't get it,
he can't live,
he can't handle it,
he can't do it.
I think that's unschätzable
and we should not give it to him.
There is a saying,
The people say that the war for the government.
But actually, it's not so.
There are very many wars.
Of course, the wars or the houses
must be built again.
But if there are people in a war,
in a war, when there are people who are dead,
it's always harder to build again.
I think that's a problem,
which is mainly Russia and Ukraine.
Also both parties in the future.
there is an attorney for it.
Yes, when everything isняed and
is something that is difficult to do.
But that is fatal.
First of all, it is very disturbing.
And secondly, it is not the situation of the citizens.
Maybe the whole thing is the situation of the citizens.
The situation of the citizens is not the case.
It is a sense of what it is,
namely the power of the citizens.
But it is not the case of a positive or a konstruktive thing.
or constructive, but at the end is something that is something that is more than a more
problem.
Absolutely.
I see this as well as you say, there is a lot of value.
It doesn't bring anything to the new value.
In the general, the value of the value of the value is much more than a value.
That is a bit of a bit of a product.
Maybe to the end of the day, what does Neutralize mean?
What does Neutralität mean for you?
What does Fried mean?
Fried is a goal that you can prevent Krieg.
That's also about the development of the Verteidigung,
and the fear of the Neutralität.
What is Neutralität?
That you don't have to behave against others,
but you don't have to behave like the world.
And you behave all the same.
For mine especially is, everyone can drive frei with everyone.
It's all Gangsters all gods.
It is kind of difficult thinking
on one side of the one level.
Thoseaki have a bad idea and the� hair
of these people have the same pier!
So it helped to 1989 because of the isolation there,
that is the most important in Spain.
You can do situations with some.
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to detach
because to decide, who are the good and who are the bad,
is in every conflict relatively difficult.
And it is also a moral decision,
to make this fix.
And ultimately, the people are always talking about it,
and not the politicians or the politicians who have Unruh.
But it's interesting,
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We can see how we are in our media
maybe one-seating informated.
It is clear, where they should be sympathetic.
I have a lot of sympathy for the USA and Israel.
But I can't...
I'm not...
I'm not against regimes like Russia
or China,
who are unrighteous and unrighteous.
But people can't do anything.
And Firmen also not.
I think,
that you should be treated like
regimes,
that you are not against regimes.
But the question is also,
but the question is also, who should do that?
Interesting, I heard today
I heard a podcast
from Lex Reitman about this
Iran-Debatte
or allgemein about this
war in Israel.
What I asked
about this episode
was always said
or it was
spekuliert,
thealuess of the American
They themselves do it.
We are the same for this.
Yes, it is to the other's little.
But with one's own sense,
the other doesn't do it.
But the issue of the issue of the other,
is never done.
I find it very exciting,
that it comes to the people.
That they don't check it.
Or that they don't make any thoughts.
At least it comes to me so.
Because in the media is not gross.
I didn't see anything.
The Mullahs are very free-feindful and they don't want to come in the
Atom-Bomber.
But it's so, why do you do that?
Because they are the most and most military military
in the world.
Because it's a Dorn in the eye.
So do we do it.
Absolutely.
Back to the Neutrality.
It's always a topic.
Is this ever a bit of a time?
Are we still in this position?
To neutralize the country as a country.
What do you say?
Is this a kind of a joke?
No, we shouldn't discuss this.
We should actually get out of this neutrality.
The USA live is so strong.
I think that you must see it from the view of the citizens.
And from the view of the citizens is good Neutrality because there is a peace.
That's the most important thing.
And like so many other instruments of the Schweiz,
direct democracy, federalism, freedom,
is also a neutrality worth, which other citizens of other states would like to be.
I believe that a world where all the states are worth,
Direkter Demokratie, Neutralität, Federalism, Dezentralität,
and actually the own government in the Schach halten through a law,
that is actually a dream world.
Instead of saying, I don't know if Direkter Demokratie
or Neutralität are good things,
I would say, why is not everyone on the world
and for the rights of democracy and to theład kleinechar знаете
as anti-mensch art to the real Baghdad intact.
That would be the Zas eh.
The Cyprus is aified market for export land.
No matter why in a great liberal communist,
Total hat achlossen, valideighthical inscre,
We must be箇っていう cows to obtain and why not export?
same as the authorities of other countries.
they have no interest, because that is their power.
But the other countries of the country must try to do it.
For example, the direct democracy in Germany is very interesting,
I've been reading this for a long time.
In the direct democracy in Germany is always so,
all parties, who are not in the government,
are for the direct democracy.
If they are in the government,
They can't remember that they had to direct democracy.
So are the relationship between the two parties.
It is something incredible and incredible,
that the country was in 1848 and then in the 1870s,
1874,
direct democratic elements to be able to do.
And that's the only way.
There is no country in which the country can decide
And the state must do it.
It's not so nice to have,
but it's supposed to do it.
It's supposed to do it.
And that's actually something incredible,
and great.
And I think,
there is no discussion about it,
but for the citizens is certainly good.
And so we should be aware
and maybe others should be able to do it.
That's modern.
We are in the modern,
the democratic state
in the Schweiz.
We don't have to talk about it,
but we don't have to talk about it.
We don't have to talk about it.
Yes, I think it's nice.
I can just describe it.
How came it historically?
How did the Schweiz
actually take the way to neutrality?
Is this a-doctrinated?
Or did you have to say that we are neutral
and we don't have any other choice.
We made a point in the Switzerland of Neutrality
and there was Marco Iorio wrote a text
where he said that the Schweiz is actually
since about 400 years neutral.
That was surprised me.
They were not aware of it.
They were still neutral.
And then in the time of Napoleon,
the Vienna Congress, I believe 1815,
2015 was the country from the rest of the countries
were released, which was a great success for the country.
And that is something that we can achieve.
I think that the result of the country because of the Wiener Congress
neutral, was for Europe
very helpful to
wachsend, to
wachsend.
Because,
it was probably a
buffer zone between
the Grossmärkten.
Frankreich was certainly
gross,
Deutschland
I think that's
that's all.
Italien
and so.
I think
that's
a little
like
a
Begängniszone
worked.
Also
It's exactly like a Pufferzone between the mighty forces.
We're back to Ukraine.
The war's goal of Russia is that Ukraine is neutral.
And I think this is a good idea.
To have an Abstand from NATO?
Yes, to have a Pufferzone.
That's not bad.
What's bad for Ukraine, if they are neutral?
I don't see what's the problem.
Yes, probably
politics
and propaganda
in this country.
That's probably why I'm here.
All the
Sonderbundkrieg
and the napolean
war, which you mentioned before,
were probably
for the Neutralization.
That's not
I'm not sure.
That's what I'm going to ask.
The Sonderbundeskrieg was the last
the last war in the Schweiz.
And fantastic, that we ended it.
And that was then one year later,
1948, was the
modern Switzerland's state of the modern
Switzerland, where the reformists
and the Catholics
build a state.
And then, yeah, almost after 50, 60, 70 years ago,
there was a huge increase in the Schweiz.
And that was held up to that.
I think it's always about alternatives.
Angela Merkel believes there are no alternatives,
but there are always alternatives.
It's very good that it's alternatives.
If it's Bitcoin, then there's no alternatives to the money.
It's very furchtbar.
If it's not in the Schweiz, there's no alternative in the political system.
It's great if there's a state that says, I'm going on the own way.
Also El Salvador, or Bhutan, who just say, I don't care what you say, I buy every
day Bitcoin.
And that's fantastic.
And it's more political experiments.
It's negative.
Politically, they're often bad.
But the art of people who want to live together,
like Bitcoin, I think it's really exciting.
How can we alternative life?
I think that's what Titus Gable does with Free Cities,
he wrote that book, Free Private Cities, which is very interesting.
He lets it a little bit technically explain how can be free private cities.
So that you actually your jurisdiction,
the regulations, which you live,
you search in a market of the money.
So that you don't have the money in Germany to live
and then you have to pay in Germany to pay.
You can search for the money you buy.
I go to that, because I feel like I'm happy.
The problem is that every square centimeter
on this earth of any national state is entitled
and he will also set his own own rules through.
Yes, only a very unattractable situation.
That's right.
We made a migration dossier.
There is one place where libertarians can go,
so everyone can go and go there.
Where?
Spitzbergen.
It's north of Denmark.
It's quite dark there, a lot of years.
It's quite cold.
But if you're a Flüchtling from Somalia or Congo,
you can go to Spitsbergen and if you're there for yourself,
then it's no one.
And this is a small town?
Not to Denmark, but it's a group of people who are in Denmark.
Or to Norway That not a joke to me One of both of them both But back to this book I can stand it even in the bag
It's been a while ago, but I think it's exciting.
I think Rahim Tagisadegan does not do anything in this direction.
I've talked about this in Prague in the past.
But it's very exciting to see movements,
one of them from the Bitcoin-Szene,
one of them from the libertarian-Szene.
I mean Argentina is something we haven't even mentioned.
With Millet, that's...
Well, now it's been super.
The Wirtschaft goes up,
the Armut goes down in the country.
I think that
that the freedom, the libertarianism, the market,
that is a tool that is the right to help.
I think, now we are going to go back on the issue of the war with the war.
I think that the nation should try to try it with freedom instead of with the war.
Yes, and I think there are also new possibilities for alternative relationships.
Max Kaiser twittered this week,
So and so many people are, if Bitcoin is up to 200'000,
in their own Fiat-jobs and Unabhängigkeit
from their Fiat-jobs.
And that's the question,
what do they do, if they are financially unabhängig?
Do they pay for a shit-to-day?
Maybe not.
Maybe they pay for a shit-to-day at a place where they are.
go where you are treated best.
That's maybe the new call of the world,
so that you can go there and go from the state
to the best.
So many of you go to the Schweiz
and so many from Germany.
And so many of you fly from North Korea
and from the DDR,
because they are shit holes.
And if you don't want to be there.
But you must always build something up,
a state of function,
it doesn't work like that,
but it needs people to look for it.
That's a big step of the Switzerland's policy.
Everyone looks like they bring something to it,
to work with them,
to look for it in the small areas.
That's important.
We don't expect anyone who is angebably responsible,
but that we do it.
local.
You know people, you have to stand with your face,
you can't from Washington to Texas.
That's just a big distance.
Yes, if you want this and no Steuers,
you have to bring yourself something to do.
You can't expect everything from the state,
but you are not prepared to finance it.
I often see that people say,
why does it not have it?
Why does it not work?
Yes, because you do not do it.
Why does it not exist? Why can't I pay Bitcoin?
Because no one has built a company to make it.
There is nothing good outside, but you do it.
That's right.
Would you say that the Schweiz is a functioning state?
Yes, very.
And it's worth it to be here to live?
Yes, I would say,
compared to the rest of the world,
not necessarily.
That's how it's possible.
But I must say,
the Schweiz is also often
incredibly ahnungslos,
what happens in other countries.
I can all the people,
especially when they're young,
just a year in Congo
or in Somalia work.
Have you done that?
No, I didn't work.
I worked nine years in Berlin.
That's a similar shit.
Fair point.
I often find that the people who are the most in the Schweiz,
are all people who have lived in the country longer.
That's my experience.
When you see a few years, what all the way is going to happen,
what is going to happen in the country,
what is going to happen in the country?
Yes, it is so. It works very well.
We have a system, we have a health, water, water, and water.
We have a food supply.
We can't get in the Migros.
Of course, we have to pay.
But it's all enough, if we want something.
I would say that most of them are good.
They can make a good life.
If they want more, they can do more.
That's so.
Yes.
But the problem is that most people hate the Schweiz and say,
everything is bad here, they don't know about the rest of the world.
They should go a year to Calcutta and then go there and look at them,
how good it is and how fast they are here.
The problem is that you are rich as a Schweizer.
Yes.
Even if you only have a rent.
But if you work, you have a Mietvertrag,
you have a job,
you have something with Behörden to do,
you will get to the world.
You go to the Ferien and so, that's not the same.
If you three months in the Schweiz,
you go to the Schweiz, then it's fine.
But if you have things done, you have to get things done.
For example, I was in Rio de Janeiro
at the Kasse and I wanted to buy a meal at the dinner.
There were two people before me
and it took a half hour.
I can't work at such a point.
I understand.
And what do you mean?
There are different things.
There were discussions,
we talked a little bit about it.
Every time when someone paid cash,
we had no extra money.
Because we could be overrated,
which is really realistic.
Every time security had to buy a new Wechselgeld.
And three or four other things.
I waited for 20 minutes or a half a day,
to buy one drink.
So we don't get in the life.
It's okay if it's in the Ferien.
But I don't have any time for such things,
if I have something to do with it.
If you're a company that's under pressure,
You have no time for half a half hour to wait for your food.
Absolutely, I understand.
Maybe to go back to Switzerland.
I think that there is also a factor in the Alps.
They are like a geographic shield or a Trenn-Schild between the different Mächte.
Do you think this was a point that the Schweiz helped to be neutral?
In erster Linie is a bit of a challenge.
Two-thirds of your land are with Hügel and Bergen,
you can't have a landscape.
It's a bit of a problem.
You have to be creative.
You have to think about how we can eat in the winter.
You have to be creative.
I think that's a very good point.
First it looks like it's an Erschwernis,
but later it's a Kreativität.
And you can use that you can also use it differently.
For example, in such a country like the Dominican Republic,
you have no need to do anything.
You can sleep in the Hängematte,
enough fruit is always available.
You don't have to do anything, so you can survive.
But you're not creative, you don't have to do any business.
I think that's a big difference.
And in the Schweiz, gothard and so,
that we had the Alpen-Best connections.
That's certainly something special.
That's also a kind of control,
a control.
I think it's a good fund for the EU.
If the EU and the Schweiz have a fight
and the Schweiz says,
we'll do the Gothard to,
so they'll be able to see how fast
the German or Italian economy is ready.
Maybe they would be so as a result, I don't know.
But it's a good fund,
or a good opportunity for the Schweiz.
Yes, and there are also new opportunities.
I say that the Berge are also for the Stausea or for the Alpine of the Oldeika.
But also touristy and also for the Wohlbefinden of my own Volk.
That's also a good place for me.
But in erster Linie is it's anstrengend.
For you as a tourist, but if you're in Wallis,
There are all the time in the Erdrutsch,
the Unsicherheit, the snow,
the problem.
You are always working
only with nature.
The Berge are very difficult
and they are trying to do people
to do something actively.
That's so, but that's nice.
Yes, but that's a Swiss character.
It's a Berg-folk,
which must be active to survive.
Do you feel that the reason that Zürich is different from other countries?
Or Genf?
Yes, I think that Bergler and Flachland are different.
But of course, Dörfer work differently than Städte.
That's all over the world.
What is also a theme, is the Mythology.
Wilhelm Tell, for example.
What role have you today for the nationality of the national understanding
and the politics of the country?
I've been a bit long and a bit long ago,
but my thoughts are very important.
A story to have, why your country is different than others, is fantastic.
Wilhelm Tell, what's for a better story?
He is a Swiss-held from the Schweiz,
and from the Habsburg he is a terrorist.
I think it's a fantastic story.
And also from Friedrich Schiller,
he is fantastic working and being done.
And I think everyone who thinks of the world,
can identify themselves with freedom.
But if it's today the same thing in Afghanistan,
and it's not in the news,
you can be sure that you talk about terrorists.
Of course, what else?
But it's also always a question,
whether it's true,
whether it's not all the erfundenes,
and so on.
I think,
that's not so much about it.
Probably there's somewhere somewhere
in the same way But I think that these people are fortunate as a troop us
We are free.
There is a way
that people all have both
alive,
lives,
the identity,
which reflects
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Hey, but don't understand how the literature can bring.
It's a story.
And they are important to identify and understand what they are and how they think.
All groups do this.
Satoshi is also a story in erster Linie.
It's a very interesting story.
It's also a parallel with religion.
Yes.
How far do you think?
Because it's a bit of a cult and you're on Meetups and events.
Yes.
And a saying-of-the-one, a Helder-Gestalte,
which nobody knows exactly how it is,
but everyone has a relationship to it.
It came and went again, it was gone.
Yes, and of course also other figures.
I say it's just like people like Julian Assange,
who were also invited to this free reign
and had Bitcoin relatively early adopted.
But he was adopted by the only way.
Of course, but the same.
He said later, thank you to the American government,
that they were forced to do it.
And so WikiLeaks became quite rich.
Or Ross Ulbricht, that's also a figure.
Of course, they were mainly from the US-Rechte in a lot of money.
But it shows that the figures, the people here bring together
and have an identity for Bitcoin.
Yes, and at the end they were extremely muting people.
Ross Ulbricht had to do that not.
He did not only do it, to earn money,
but he said, we want a really free market.
And now we have the technology.
So we can do it.
And Julian Assange is also a very smart person,
who has to be very high risk.
Or Elon Musk.
He is a very smart person,
who is very active,
even though they are already in a good
time.
Elon Musk is the right
person of the world. He doesn't do anything.
He could sit on a Jacht.
But he leads to the freedom
every day again.
Maybe not always right.
Sometimes
he doesn't have anything.
But it's all
incredible inspiratory
and healthy.
I listen to what he says.
I read his tweets.
I think that people are a absolute
in their society.
And especially the most important function
is that the most people have a little
fear in their lives.
They say they know they can do this,
what can happen, what could happen.
And if you see how many risks
Elon Musk has already been in his life
or the other two,
you have to say,
I could try it with a company or a job-to-be-we-soul.
Or maybe something smaller.
It doesn't have to be a company that will be NASA.
Yes, so far as it comes.
But I think, from these people can learn how big the risks can be taken
and how unfassable they will be.
Bitcoin is exactly something.
Those people who thought that a big part of my Bitcoin was in Bitcoin,
were lost.
Those who had anxiety and thought that something new was,
and look how it looked like it in 10 years,
they had a problem.
If you noticed it, it was always a bit more.
Yes.
But yes, it's pretty interesting.
So why are there in the Schweiz for the stories?
Why are they soizing that we don't have any?
They don't have that?
We're probably not pleasing ourselves.
Why snooze that trek thank you soo much...?
with the EU or NATO
or whatever else,
who come closer together?
In your podcast,
you have a decentralized
Schweiz.
And that's the two
gross political Richtungen
that it's been.
The one wants more
Dezentralität,
so that the individual,
the individual,
the small group,
the city,
the city can decide
and the other want,
because they believe,
they know all better
than the other,
that a couple of
small and small
people for all
decide.
That's the big clash that it is.
These people hate Dezentrality.
They criticize the people who want more Dezentrality and empowerment of the individual.
They say that they are egoists, that they don't look at the community.
What does not mean, but they want to...
I can't talk about all of them, but some of them will be from Ursula von der Leyen or from UNO Generalsekretär,
or from the socialist secretary of the world's fund of the Socialists, or from Greta Thunberg, or from any other.
I'm just extremely worried. I can't believe it, maybe I'm already too deep in the Bitcoin Space.
But as you said, I understand the argument that they have not.
These are all the consequences that don't actually do.
That we egoists, or that we egoists are egoists.
I don't know if that is propaganda or from where it comes from.
Yes, that is propaganda.
Staatspropaganda?
Not the only one of these people.
They are not from the state, that they do it,
but they are from the state.
But that's their personal...
Which is from the state's age.
Yes, perhaps.
There are already a few of them,
which are a lot of free.
But yes,
they don't like this and they fight against it.
How do you see the NATO-Zimmer-Arbeit
or the Beitritt?
Is that with the neutrality of the Schweiz?
No, I think it's not a bit of a bit.
But the West is a bit more sympathizer than the Communist Party of China.
Absolutely.
The Mullahs in Iran are not sympathizing.
And several other authoritarian states are not.
In the Zweifel would it be the US and Israel.
But I think that the Schweiz is not so close to NATO.
The SVP has the concept of neutrality.
How do you see this?
Is this a word that we can use,
that we can use,
or is it just a little marketing?
We see that when the Neutralität
is going to be a vote for the Abstimmung,
I believe in 2026,
how many people there are,
with which they can start.
I think,
I already said that the Neutralität
is a good thing. I support this.
Ignacio Cassis
spoke at the WEF
2022 about
cooperative neutrality. What is the difference?
That's bullshit.
I don't think that's just
that's
unwarr.
It's a political swap.
Yes, that's not what to do.
Entweder gibt es Notarität
oder es gibt keine Notarität.
Also cooperative Notarität
oder differentielle Notarität,
das ist immer so von Fall zu Fall.
We decide,
you can't have any Notarität,
if you decide from Fall to Fall
anders. Why does it need Notarität?
I think
that many of the
the government will make something for.
And it is completely accepted from the US,
that the country is neutral.
I believe that the country would have already been
under pressure from the EU and the USA,
if they were there at the attack of Russia,
at the attack of Russia,
said that they would make these sanctions with.
Yes, then it would have been stressed and anger.
But you must also as a government as a government.
And at the end would also accept that,
But if you immediately let yourself
turn off and knock off,
they made sure that they had massive pressure.
I heard that the pressure was massive.
They made sure that they had already
pressure.
But the Schweizer Regierung
gave it a little bit more.
Yes, yes.
I think we see it now with the Texas
which Donald Trump has recently
that they have to have.
Also the Handelszöle.
I've heard something not yet,
but as I understand,
they are all more or less
at the same time.
No, there is nothing to happen.
But we hear it in this case
not more in the media.
But I think that's also so.
They try to make it just a bit of a bit
and they build so long
until they have to go back
or to realize that it has no sense.
I think that we as a country should also
the identity,
the neutrality
to keep up and say, hey, no.
For the most important thing is to have the Mut,
to be able to be.
In this case,
what I've seen,
it's not yet a result,
but the country has been able to be able to
and was to go on the USA.
Karen Calasuta has a conversation with Donald Trump
from the United States,
or with the Minister of the Besant.
They are not in the way with the EU.
The EU has done something Eigen.
Now we see what happens,
whether the Schweiz is actually better than the EU.
But it was already good,
that they have been on the way
and have been on the way.
How far can
...neutralität der Schweiz als Vorbild der digitalen Souveränität
und Unabhängigkeit von anderen im Zeitalter von Bitcoin
und allgemein anderen dezentralen Technologien dienen
und vielleicht auch mit Blick auf geopolitische und wirtschaftliche Herausforderungen,
wie zum Beispiel diese Zölle?
Also ich finde, die Schweizer freiheitlichen Grundstrukturen
sollten allen freiheitlichen Menschen in der Welt als Vorbild dienen können,
because it's just not so far as in the country.
The government will not orientate itself, that's clear,
but the citizens will actually go on.
They will say, look at the country,
they have a dire democracy,
then it's better than us.
Why do we do that?
I wish that other countries agree this.
Because at the moment there are the alternatives of the country,
but we shouldn't do that, as it would be easy to keep them.
We are a small state, 10 million people.
It's hard to keep them on a long time.
If someone says that there is a government government,
then the Schweiz is just the störengest thing.
We see it already in the EID.
It's a problem that the Schweiz has a referendum.
They have already agreed and it's already coming.
So, there is no one.
That's clear.
They say that they can be in all countries
but not in the Schweiz.
That's really a lot.
In the EU are they already so?
That's true.
In the EU is possible, if someone says that it's so.
You see through the corona机.
At the parfait level because...
against the state...
not bad anymore.
And that is also the weather.
Yes, the weather has already met
It's so important that our truth,
also our жить sometimes
Rethnications are like
and that they're not making a statement.
We need paneag ale,
one,
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Gratis.
I can send them to five pages,
I can tell them to tell them,
and there are our rights.
These people of us have fought against the blood.
It doesn't do anything like that.
It must be a bit self-awareness.
It's important to hold it all,
because people forget it.
If you say, the little state of the Schweiz,
weiss you about the position of the Swiss Army?
Could they do anything with that?
Because the land is so small,
would they have a army that is still more kleiner than the land?
Would they have a Daseil-Berechtigung?
The Schweiz Army is actually something incredibly fascinating.
There is a book of a American,
which I read in the 80s,
which was watched with the Schweiz Army.
The Last de la Concorde heisst the book.
That's it.
It's fascinating because it's a
Bürger- und Milizarme,
which all are involved.
Every Bürger is in the Verteidigung.
Today we are far away from this situation.
But in the 70s, 80s or especially after the war,
had the Schweiz in the number of Bürgers
the most military personnel.
It's fascinating to see something that worked.
We said that we support this in a schlechten Zeit.
Everyone should do it and also for the land.
I googled this book.
It's called La Place de la Conquer Suisse.
1994 by John McPhee.
I can recommend it.
It's great.
It's not so thick, 160 pages.
Yeah.
Spannend.
You said you find the Army's army great.
In theory.
In theory, yes.
Where do you see the need of the need?
Or where do you focus on?
Früher saw the understanding of the country that we are in the Schweiz,
that we are together, that we are together,
and that we are in the meantime quite verloren.
It's all just a personal duty.
Is that because of the globalization?
Because we don't have the whole life in the same place,
but because we are going to the city and the anonymity
because it has a lot of people with people.
Yeah, yeah, how would I say that right now?
It'd be better.
It's a reasonable experience.
At the end they knew what the war was.
Now we had just not Aha biết being right.
175 years old ani.
In the 1960s there was a big campaign for the geist of the Verteidigung of the Cold War.
Everyone, when the media read, had the feeling that he was in the Cold War.
What he was in the Cold War.
But everything was a little verloren.
We were always thinking,
the Schweiz is rich and nothing can happen.
What should happen?
Why do we need this again?
It's a bit more in the other direction.
It's a bit more of a shock.
The other people might say that the Schweiz can't so light
take it into the country, that's anstrengend.
And the Schweiz has also geographically interesting forms.
We have to go to the guerrilla war in the mountains That was the plan if it hard to hard That so unaccountable as in Afghanistan
That's not possible.
I think that's also...
Maybe it's not so propagated or not so talked about it as before,
but it would be very dumb if it wasn't so.
the whole land, because it is so special,
and we don't know it as an aggression,
we don't use it as a defense army.
That's what we're doing to the table,
because we don't have it.
I think that's a theme that is not so much more thematized.
But I think that in the Armeen, or at least at the higher,
is a point where we hold the other hand in the back.
It's just so, the Schweiz works only if everyone also has a bit of a bit.
I wrote a newsletters, which I wrote with the title
«Die anderen sollen».
There are more people who say,
It's good that you are from the Kassier of the Schuess- or Schützen-Verein,
but I have no time for it.
It's great that you do this and that,
but I can't do that anymore.
It's also necessary to have a civil-gesellschaft-
engagement of the people.
Also, if you make a new Bitcoin-statt,
it works only if everyone has something to do.
If everyone sits there and waits,
if something happens,
then we can do something like an alternative
or free privacy.
So,
the freedom comes together
with the responsibility.
Absolutely, yes.
Now,
the issue of the Armeet-Führung is now
the VBS-Chef Martin Fischler.
The CDA is not known.
But if you would say
or if you could talk about the future of them,
the future CDA and Martin Pfister,
what would you say about them?
What should we do with the military?
What should we do with them?
Now, when we go into a new situation in the situation,
I believe that the conflict between Iran and Israel is not over.
The conflict could be again.
and we can suddenly come to a completely new,
difficult situation in a way.
Then it's in first of all about the
government's position.
Is there a way to see the army as a fremdo object?
A few people who do something here do something?
Or they say,
they are actually the first place for us?
I was in Israel.
There was a way to see the army at a very different level.
In the Schweiz, of course,
a completely different situation in the way.
but it's very comparable.
If the Schweiz could be in some cases
as Israel orientate,
I would like to see this a very good idea.
There is a completely different standing.
The young people are at the beginning
of the time in the Geheimdienste,
they come to the army,
and so on.
And so on.
I think also the women.
Yes, yes.
I think it must be in the Schweiz
that women also have a role.
There is no reason why not.
Also, army or just
just a
Diener.
If it's the same
and the Diener, why should that not for all?
And is that
or is that with your liberal thoughts as a state,
which says, I'm going to move on?
Is that freeing?
Yes, that's just a question, what we want.
We can't have everything.
If we want to defend the free-quality value of the country,
then we must have it somehow.
Yes, I think it's exciting.
I'm going to give you a big part to,
because it was a little different.
I was not sure about myself, what I expected to do.
I had no duty to have, I wouldn't have to do it.
Why?
There is only something new and something new.
I think that the Dienst is something important to me,
Because it's not necessarily militarily in the Schweiz's way of doing it.
If you want, you can do it in the Civil War or something else for the people.
That's great, that's great.
And I think that women in the Schweiz have a Dienst in the Schweiz.
With the Gleichberechtigung etc.
But not directly in the military.
but in an old home, kindergarten, where, where they are,
where they want to go.
If they want to go into the military, they can go into the military.
But I don't think that...
One would be too extreme,
to just go into the military service,
because the infrastructure is not around.
I know,
there is no capacity for men.
And then also women.
It was already in the last years a huge increase in the pandemic.
They need their own home.
It's complicated.
I find it cool that women also go into the military.
I have two cousins who go into the military.
Why not?
If they want it, if they want it, they should do it.
Israel does it.
There are no other women.
They can also be able to do it.
So, we can get women something to do.
There is a next initiative which comes to the Abstimmung Service citoyens I can imagine that this is a chance to come through All those who don have it will say that the young people should do something
That's a Pflichtdienst for all the young people who are 18 and 20,
who then 1-2 years should be.
Also, that all people should be able to do something.
The whole thing is the whole thing.
It's like no way out.
I think that's what I think.
I think that's great.
When you were in the 60s,
it was no way out,
if you were a young man
and you didn't have a foot in your head.
You just had to go for all.
Then we'll see if there is something right now.
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and the right Swiss.
That's not a good business for the Bio-Sweizer.
I think it's important to be able to get rid of this military duty.
It doesn't seem easy to be, but I think it's important to be able to get rid of it.
I've seen it myself.
When I work with people together,
who don't have any lust,
who are only in the way,
who are not in the way,
and who are not in the way to the result,
then I don't want them.
I'd rather say three people,
who are motivated,
than 20 people,
who are motivated or even extremely motivated,
and are not motivated by us.
For all people, every person who does something,
which he doesn't have any Lust on it, is actually false.
Nobody does something do, which he doesn't have any Lust on it.
He has to do something in his life, if he does it.
Absolutely.
It's not always funny.
Sometimes he doesn't have any fun.
But if you have 15 weeks of his life
and everything is falling off, then it's definitely false.
In the meantime, it's even more.
Then you have to do something different.
Yes.
Maybe it's a wonder,
did you have to sit with these candidates for the new CDA together?
No, not yet.
Just a little bit to say,
I have two candidates, which I find very exciting.
One is Benedict Roos, that is the Commandant Ther
and the other is Willy Brülysauer,
the Commandant Ther, the 4th, that is the East-Sweizer region.
But I don't know why I'm using artificial intelligence at all,
I also love shooting at all,
I hot, but guessing,
there.
We have about 1 Stunde.
Do you know anything else,
or about Bitcoin,
where you can talk about Bitcoin?
It's not me not,
but we're following the incident,
this was a live broadcast.
I could have thought about Bitcoin.
But it was also interesting, I hope.
It's a topic that I've been interested in.
Allgemein, the whole Neutralization and so on,
I think it's very important for the Schweiz.
And allgemein, maybe the story of the Schweiz,
to understand this better.
Because everything is important, what you think.
I think I've been thinking about it too much for myself
or I'm too much concerned about this issue.
I think it's important to understand,
where we can go,
where our father's father's father,
so we can live as we can.
Not somewhere in Israel,
Afghanistan,
or in the war,
or from the Korean Diktators
who are small.
So many things,
I always notice
when I talk about people,
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to build up and build up,
to establish a world in this world,
is probably the best way to be.
My message is that if you want to be a decentralized country,
you have to do something.
And so there is no decentralized country.
If you say, someone should look at it,
then you look at it and you pay for it.
But it's not so, as you want.
I'm a little bit in a small village with 2'500 people there.
I'm a little bit curious about how many groups it is there,
how active they are,
how many positive things they are there,
how good they have, how the Milizschweiz in the Kleinen can work,
without anyone giving money or the state looking for it.
It just works out of itself, with private money.
And that's what we must beware.
Or also Bitcoin-Meetups.
They didn't get any of them.
Probably won they have any And it shouldn be But these are the important things I saw this in Berlin In Berlin if someone makes a film
the first thing he asks is,
how I can get a film from state-of-the-art.
And he asks not to get private investors,
to make a film for a commercial success.
But just so.
And I believe it's so important to hold that mindset of the South
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Maybe the Vatican, Israel and the Schweiz.
And then maybe no one more.
I don't think that's right.
But almost everyone of this country knows about it.
And I'm going to ask for a number of countries,
what kind of a word that the Schweiz has.
And almost all say, that's the paradise.
And we are so unglücklich.
And we say, oh, this is a shit here.
nothing works,
just mods and so.
All these people should be
a year to Somalia.
That helps.
Absolutely.
I think it's not a good point.
Thank you very much, Roni,
for your time.
It's nice that it's happened.
Maybe to the end,
look at the Schweizer Monat over the way.
You can also have a partnership
with Bitcoin Lightning.
I think that all the work
which you do not only do the magazine,
but also the events you do with Aperu.
It's always cool.
Watch out.
I don't know where you find me.
On Twitter, on Northstar?
Ronny Grob, just a name on all the channels.
And that's the Schweiz in the Monat.
It costs 180 Fr. a year.
That can be used to it.
I can really recommend it.
It's not a quality journal that is not financed by the state.
Exactly.
It's always a great time to see events and magazines,
which I can't do to.
If you want to subscribe to this podcast,
it's 5$ per month in Lightning.
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otherwise I would do it.
I'm happy to see you on every boost and subscription.
I thank you very much for everyone who listens to us,
whether it's on Spotify or wherever.
I thank you for your support.
It's really fun to see you every time,
if I get feedback.
We'll see you in the next episode,
which is probably the roundtable.
But we'll see you soon.
So, make it good and
until next time. Thank you.
Thank you.
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Who can survive this
Who can deny them
Night falls, fear grows
The highway has your name on
Night falls, night calls
The highway has your name on
In blood
We'll be right back.
The highway has your name on
Nightfalls, night calls
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