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Hello, hello. It's your favourite witches. Back again.

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Hello. You thought we'd gone away, but we're back. We'll never leave.

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Ha, ha, ha, ha.

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Yes, we're here to torment you with our eternal wisdom. Such a hard job.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's tough.

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You're looking quite witchy today. I'm loving the polka dots.

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I know. I feel like I'm in my polka dot era.

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What's happened? You're not cheery. Polka dots are cheery.

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Wow, I'm going to get back to this in my weekly winch.

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oh okay yeah so you look then yeah yeah yeah but i'm loving the little necklace decorations yeah

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i'd go fancy you are you're a bit fancy i am a bit fancy yeah this is fancy stuff

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polka dots and necklaces well i'm in seville you know you are a spanish lady now you need to look

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fabulous don't you yeah and you're way more tanned than me i've like literally looked like a like a

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tombstone. You don't look like a tombstone. I look like a moonstone. Oh she's so nice isn't she?

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So Miss Polkadot how are you today? I'm actually quite sad that we have to record now because

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we've got loads of nice corn snacks and jelly beans and crisps on the table and it looks like

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a green room rider doesn't it? It does doesn't it? Yeah but unfortunately I can't eat because

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you're just here crunching. I mean you could just edit out the crunching. I could do yeah. I mean it

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It is a meal themed podcast.

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That's true.

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I can say I'm doing some of the best.

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I think when we do the starter, you should go, you know.

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I can do that.

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I could do that job.

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All right.

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We can do that.

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Yeah.

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I don't think anyone's going to mind missing to us have snacks.

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The problem is, you know.

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They'll want some.

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They'll want some.

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They'll get hungry.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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How are you?

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I'm fine.

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I'm good.

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I'm not looking as fancy, but I am looking smart, I think, for me.

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I'm not fancy.

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I've got like a pagan kind of rope around my middle.

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That's quite fancy.

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If you've got a piece of clothing or something that doesn't need to be there, I feel like that's fancy.

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Cool.

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I like it.

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I'm fancy too then.

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I'm good.

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I'm really enjoying this ridiculous summer that we're having.

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I've just been warm for months.

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It's unreal.

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I feel relaxed.

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You love the heat, don't you?

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I love the heat.

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Well, it's not even that I love the heat.

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I just hate the cold.

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so when I'm hot I'm like relaxed and my nervous system goes into like oh but I also feel energized

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and happy I feel really creative like in the winter I just want to sleep yeah I hate working

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in the winter it's just such a slog so I'm really happy in the summer right now and I'm happy to see

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you because we don't get to see each other that much now that you're in Spain being fancy wearing

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polka dots so you know it's quite nice to spend a whole week together yeah it is yeah yeah it's

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really good but I'm liking this new let's record all the podcasts at once game because then we just

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to talk for a whole week exactly yeah i think we're both going to be hoarse by the end of the

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week yeah definitely just some time to go on tour yeah um epic check-in shall we dive into this

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week's episode so this week's episode is called every rep you take wow wow don't worry though

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we had some backup titles i mean that's pretty that's pretty cheese already i love it um gail

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away sweet sister oh peeps no freddie mercury's ashamed he's a shame you ought to grow that was

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my one that's terrible that's like the worst one of all that's like an alternative thing that's

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great so that's so many puns what could the episode possibly be about so this episode is

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about my favorite subject which is practice practice and the science of it which makes it

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sound even more like you yeah but fine i'm no scientist but i do like a good practice but i do

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like a six-point plan that i've assessed on many different occasions yeah sorry that's great so

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every rep you take you have it love a sting reference also you know he was like quite a

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hard worker i feel so i feel like referencing him didn't he say that quote like oh something about

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you know they were like what's the secret to your success and he said something like oh i got on the

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bus and then people just kept getting off the bus and eventually I was the only one left oh I like

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that yeah I'm totally misquoting it's probably way more poignant than that but the point is he hung

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around until he got famous and I always thought that was quite good because longevity is key

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and consistency is key consistency is key so is this the school teacher in you coming out

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um yes school school teacher yeah you know like as in the school well music school teacher oh

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music school teacher yeah yeah you're wearing polka dots I am wearing polka dots I've got a

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necklace on I feel like this makes me look you know like serious yeah you could do the music

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school teacher vibe now yeah okay cool okay all right I'm a little bit afraid but also

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good that's exactly how I want my students right yeah like yeah isn't that like the perfect teacher

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you're like I'm a bit afraid of you but also kind of like it's kind of hot and I'll definitely

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in practice for you.

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God, that wasn't true

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of any of my teachers,

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by the way.

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I'm just saying,

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like, it was not,

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it was not,

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like, I would have liked that,

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but it wasn't,

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yeah, sadly.

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But it's not true for you, right?

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Come on,

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I'm like,

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miss daddy issues,

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of course.

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Yeah, of course.

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That's brilliant.

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That's brilliant.

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let's leave that there.

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I mean, bad daddy.

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Bad daddy, yeah.

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We need to go into

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the bad daddies.

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I think we shared that

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on the podcast,

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that your type is a bad daddy.

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Briefly.

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We didn't share your type, though.

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Did we not?

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Should we keep that in the bag?

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I think we should, yeah.

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I'm up for it, yeah.

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Poor Gary.

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All right, the starter, the discussion.

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So why have you done this?

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Why did you come here?

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Why did we come here?

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Okay, so I love playing harp and I actually really hate practicing cello.

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I find it really, like, boring.

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Poor cello.

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I know, I know.

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It's just a bit of a chore, though.

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And so I practice cello as little as possible.

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And not regularly.

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But if I'm doing a practice stint, I'll be practicing at like maybe 20 minutes, half an hour a day.

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But something strange that I've realized and kind of infuriating is that my cello is getting better faster than my harp.

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And I'm practicing harp for like hours a day sometimes.

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That's weird.

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Yes, it is very weird.

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Weird.

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So I thought, how can this be?

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Unusual.

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Very.

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Explain.

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So I looked into this.

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I got my magnifying glass.

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It's hard to find the computer.

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Then I looked it up on Google.

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On the Google.

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On the Google.

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On internet.

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Yes, I found some interesting findings.

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You found some facts.

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I found some facts.

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You should not be a scholar.

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I'm way too dumb to be a teacher, just putting it out there.

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It's not the dumbness, it's just the way too dumb and too silly.

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Too silly, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Let's be honest both of us.

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We must be absolutely ripped apart in a classroom.

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We don't need that shit.

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um anyway why why was your cheldo practice better than your heart so i mean we all know this practice

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smart not hard yes yeah yes yes and like we all know this but i do feel like from time to time

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all of us kind of forget we get a bit carried away we get a bit fixated on the goal we're just

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like come on like one more practice we'll we'll nail this and we forget that there is actually

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a system in place that we have to respect her and you know i've been practicing my whole life and i

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still do get in ruts where I actually just forget how to practice. Yeah we've all been there haven't

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we? Yeah I think so. I think sometimes with you like you quite enjoy a grind you enjoy a practice

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you know so sometimes you can get you can get a bit addictive. I think so yeah. I think I'm the

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opposite I'm so afraid of the grind of the practice that I kind of avoid it completely. Which is

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very efficient actually. Just avoiding not playing. Well no but it probably makes you use your time

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amazingly when you do sit down and practice yeah that's true but I think that's a happy medium

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which I believe you're about to uh you're about to explain right yes so I've done a lot of research

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into this um just to get myself back on track really but I thought it would be really nice to

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share it in a podcast to really take it apart and maybe share like a six-point plan with everyone

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that I'm undertaking just just a few tips on really how to practice well if you've got limited

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time and where you're wasting your time practicing so i think this really applies to you if you've

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got you know a day job or you're just a really busy musician and you've got like maybe an hour

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in the evening to actually commit to music practice right i mean we all have such crazy

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busy lives at the moment i think that's just the case across the board people are working more than

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ever apparently we're working more hours than we ever have done in the history of humanity

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um you know so finding time to practice it's like it's thin you know yeah you know like money's

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always the problem right so it's like practice is kind of unpaid labor in the musician's world so

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this is unbillable hours yeah exactly yeah yeah that would be nice wouldn't it you just like go

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to work and you know then you go i've done loads of practice can you pay me i was like what get a

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real job yeah that'd be amazing i can't wait till we're rich and we can literally pay ourselves

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when's it gonna happen though because it's like you know it's getting boring it's getting boring

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yeah yeah i need more clothes i want to be fancy i know

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yeah right should we dive into the main

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okay into the main so i've done a lot of research on this yeah i've condensed all of the work i've

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been doing recently into a six point plan love a six point plan yeah just love bullet points i

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know i just love a plan i just love something you can follow and then you can not have to

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make decisions can we get some post-its yeah because i feel like i just want definitely post

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it them everywhere yeah yeah so number one set a timer cool very important number two tricky

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sections only number three snack don't feast love a snack love a snack too number four trust the

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process number five sleep on it and number six which i failed at

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test your memory test your memory of which we have okay great so that's your six point plan it is

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yeah so that's the outline set a timer tricky sections only snack don't feast trust the process

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sleep on it and test your memory i hope you're writing this down class because the teacher has

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spoken taking notes post yeah right so should we get into them let's do it let's do the main okay

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setting a timer is probably i think the most important thing you can do for your practice

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and this is because it is widely evidenced across the board not just with musicians but with any type

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of learning or concentration that 20 minutes is the optimum amount of time that you can spend on

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something before you lose focus or concentration yeah yeah i definitely find that as well so you

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know there's stuff like the pomodoro technique or basically again and again 20 minutes is like the

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maximum time brain can take in information before it gets bored and starts scattering off exactly

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yeah so the general should be 20 minutes on 10 minutes off if you're doing a longer period of

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time if you are a beginner musician 20 minutes should be the cap of your whole day like you're

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just wasting your time if you do more than that and then you can slowly build it up yeah and i

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guess that means like that's the practice like you can still play the instrument yeah but not

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doing focused practice yeah 20 minutes if you're a beginner and that's a really good point we're

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talking about focused practice here you know playing is very different and we'll get onto that

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and the difference between it but all these tips therefore focused practice and if you want to get

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good fast yes exactly this is like the only way yeah yeah so basically for a beginner that should

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be your cap for the whole day if you are doing a lot more practice say you've got a block of two

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hours that you want to practice for my recommendation would be 20 minutes on 10 minutes off 20 on 10

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off great so kind of blocks of half an hour but making sure that you have that 10 minutes

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yeah exactly and the break should not be a break that you use scrolling your phone that's not useful

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to you at all yeah it's definitely been proven that if you have like because you'll get a natural

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dopamine hit from practice and then if you go straight to your phone and get a bigger dopamine

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hit your brain's not really absorbing it's just constantly stimulated so not taking the information

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that you've just done it's kind of like completely scratching your practice isn't it totally like the

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whole point of the break is to rest your brain from the practice so that it can absorb the

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information has just been given so what I would suggest for a break is going for a short walk

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maybe doing a mundane task like some dishes or folding laundry anything around the house that

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you've been putting off this is the perfect time for it you'll actually feel like you're doing two

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things at once because you actually have to rest anyway I love that actually because that's kind

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of good because you're like oh I need to do this task well you're like okay well that is the mundane

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task so you can do your practice but then when you break so you'll probably get a lot more done in

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the day as well I think so Yeah I love that That great And you feel good about doing tasks that you otherwise put off because it will actually feel like a break Yeah totally So yeah that my recommendation for how to divide your time with that Other stuff for breaks is just anything that like looking out a window or even breath work is quite good

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Yeah, definitely.

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Or have a cup of coffee or something.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, just getting yourself away from the monotony of the practice.

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Okay, great.

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Yeah, and it's worth saying as well, probably like of focused effort for practice, like I think it's proven that like,

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beyond four or five hours for anyone is that's that's the absolute limit is it yeah i mean i

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don't think i've ever done five hours practice unless i was doing my grade eight which is just

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hell yeah that's like the the very high ceiling all right so set a timer cool okay number two

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tricky sections only all right yeah you know a lot about this as a piano teacher but you'll send

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your students home i think with you know just the bars that they're going to really struggle with

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yeah to isolate that piece like don't start with the fun bit at the beginning because you'll know

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you'll be so sick of that by the time eight weeks has gone by and you'll wish that you'd done that

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really hard bit in the middle that i told you to yeah yeah yeah the stuff that you can play is

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always going to be there and it's always going to be fun but if you've got 20 minutes to put into

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some effortful practice like take out the tricky sections for god's sake yeah it goes without saying

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that this is because everything needs to get better to the same level but also if you are doing

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repetitive practice your brain is actually going to respond more to complicated sections because

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it's actually more stimulating for it whereas if you're just doing easy sections repeated that are

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too easy for you your brain's going to switch off it's actually not doing much yeah I always tell

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my students if you're not struggling you're not pushing yourself you know and I'm like of course

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it's hard because you're doing a new section that's good it should be hard if it's easy you're

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not at the right level yeah yeah definitely it's hard as well because like you want to sit down and

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just play the piece that you know in your head or the song that you know starting in the middle is

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a bit like why but you'll get so much more done if you do that like whenever i've got like a new set

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like let's say we were doing piranha set and like let's say there's like five new songs in there or

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something i'll go through those songs and i'll literally on a post-it write down the bits that

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are like really difficult and i'll just stick them up on the wall that's my practice i'm not doing

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the rest of it because i can add that in at any point yeah i know i can nail those bits those are

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the bits i can't so those are the ones i go in to do that practice it doesn't matter if it goes well

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but I just need to get them done.

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So yeah, I would absolutely 100% say that's a brilliant tip.

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Yeah, that's the steady work that actually you need to do

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that you're not going to be able to do without the consistency.

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Whereas the other stuff's kind of revision, you know, once you've got it.

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Yeah, and it's just so nice when those bits are locked in

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because the rest of your sections, you can just add them in

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and then it's really good.

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It's kind of like doing the uphill stuff

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and then you just go over the peak and you're like, great,

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now I just get to like just walk down the mountain.

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It's really nice.

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Yeah.

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Number three carries on from this.

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Snack don't feast.

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Love a snack.

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Love a snack.

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Yeah, she's a snack queen.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I love a snack as well, but I'd say you excel at snacks.

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I feel like I'm the queen of queens when it comes to snacks.

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Snacking, yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, I've seen her.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know.

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I've seen riders decimated.

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You know, when we're on tour, I've always got like,

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I can always tell Anna the contents of the snack bag by heart.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's always like, you're like a savant or something, a savant of snacks.

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Yeah, so she's.

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Yeah, I mean, we did get nicknames Snacker 1 and Snacker 2.

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That's true.

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I think I was Snacker 1, but then you got elevated to Snacker 1

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because we realised that you were the queen of snacks.

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I am definitely the queen of snacks.

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One of my favourite pictures on my phone ever that I'm never deleting.

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It's got the little favourites, you know, love heart on it.

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And it's just Hannah holding, like, the best snacks, you know.

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And she's just got this face and it's kind of, like, happy,

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but it's also just, like, contentness that I've never seen before.

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And kind of your eyes are slightly, like, you know,

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kind of almost cross-eyed.

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Just deep joy.

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deep joy yeah yeah you look like a little child it's really funny anyway we'll share it but um

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it's great it's the best picture ever so yes snack don't feast snack don't feast so snacking

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applies to practice as well basically stripping things down to their smallest sections is really

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really important to give each one that focused work that it needs i would suggest when you are

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taking bits out that they would be no longer than two bars like maybe four bars if it's kind of quite

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a fluid section and maybe fast bpm or something but honestly probably like around two bars would

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be the sweet spot for that maybe one bar if it's a really tricky piece and there is a method for

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this so basically what i would do is i would choose three or four sections three or four

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lots of two bars for example and then cycle them so you play each one around a certain

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amount of reps for about a minute or two just for argument's sake here if we're giving you a

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strict plan eight reps of each is a pretty good average right yeah so we've got sections one

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sections two section three section four eight reps eight reps eight reps eight reps keep cycling

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around until the timer of your 20 minutes goes off and that's how I would do that that's how I

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would practice those tricky sections nice and you could apply the metronome for that couldn't you

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as well so that you're sort of doing each rep at the same speed

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and then trying to gradually speed that up.

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Yeah.

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And then your 20 minutes is going to become more efficient

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at each time, right?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Rep you take, every bar you break.

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Sorry.

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Help me out, you know.

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Yeah.

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Every single scale, every time you fail.

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Oh, my God.

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I'll be practicing.

335
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Yeah.

336
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Wow.

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I mean, right?

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I'm a songwriter.

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I'm a songwriter.

340
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You just got the talent.

341
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Yeah, that's why we haven't got any money.

342
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It's time for...

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It's time for...

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The part of the show where Hannah and I confess to doing things that might be a little bit old, but also embracing them.

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Yes. Not sorry.

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Not sorry. Never sorry. That would be silly.

347
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yeah what's your crone moment okay so i actually feel like this isn't particularly like new because

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we do touch on it quite a lot in our podcast yeah but i just i love a matinee yeah do you know what

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that was going to be on my list but i left it off was it because i feel like i've talked about

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matinees a lot yeah i know we've talked about it a lot but do you know what i feel so passionate

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about it i feel like it needs to be brought up again besides it's a total crone thing to like

352
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tell your story thanks I had to forget what we've already said which has happened a few times I'm

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like I've heard this already so yeah yeah but like I love a I love a matinee I love a matinee as well

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and yeah I just feel like I'm too old for like 10 p.m slots now I just don't get why that's a thing

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anyway it's like everyone else is like like you can't even get a cheap home or anything like that

356
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everything shuts after 11 so can we have the gigs a bit earlier yeah dinner and shit like that but

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like on a weekend can we please have like a 3 p.m show yeah and like not only trains and stuff but

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also I'm tired I'm tired I don't want to get back at 2 a.m or 3 a.m because and everyone else is

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like I'm just going home from the pub now that was a great night and you're like cool I'm glad

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you had a good time yeah exactly you get back you have to like drive back however many hours

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then you have to like unload your gear and the real old thing about this is like it takes me now

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days to recover from a 3 a.m finish yeah I just can't do that stuff anymore and that makes us

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quite crony yeah um i also just love matinees because when i was a kid and if we ever went to

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the theater at like a matinee it felt like nighttime had begun yeah would you remember

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going to the cinema at like 11 a.m what a fucking treat yeah you know like i love it i just love it

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because like you come out and you're like that was great and then you have the evening i think

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i would prefer if the show was like quite early and then you had the night to talk about it rather

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than like shows over off your pop yeah you know actually that's a really good point dara and i

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I went to the cinema recently to see The Odyssey.

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Yeah.

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And it was like a 4.30 p.m. show.

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Love it.

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So we got to spend the rest of the night bitching about how bad it was.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That's what I want.

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I want to show and then come away and bitch about it, you know?

377
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Yeah.

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That's what I want, you know, personally.

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We played a matinee with Hannah Prana on your tour and it was the best.

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It was so great.

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Musicians aren't knackered then as well.

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And then everyone, like, if you're sober and you want to go home, great.

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Because, like, then you're, like, also not going to hit the sort of pub crowd of really drunk people.

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It's not going to be absolutely shit-faced.

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Imagine every show, even just move it a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Like, can we just move it a little bit so that the show ends at 9 or 10?

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Like a 4.30 p.m. start would be good.

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That would be great.

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Yeah.

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Any problem you've got there is in the week.

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That's going to be impossible for people.

393
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Yeah.

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But, you know, also just, you know, just, just, just.

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I don't care.

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Actually.

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Actually, I don't care.

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I'm going to start doing that.

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I don't work at 4.30.

400
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Yeah.

401
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I mean, you'd like to.

402
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Yes.

403
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You'd like to.

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I would.

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And you are working at 4.30.

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That's the thing.

407
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You're there for sound checking.

408
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Yeah.

409
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But I'd love to, like, wouldn't it be amazing to do, like, a day's work?

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Like, get up, sound check in the morning, have some lunch, do your show, like, get ready,

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meet the fans or whatever, do your VIP stuff, do the show, half past four, home in bed.

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That would be perfect.

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Imagine.

414
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It's so unfair that we have to do the night shift all the time.

415
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Yeah.

416
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Even if we've got to work the next day.

417
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It sucks.

418
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Yeah.

419
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Yeah.

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I'm really up for the matinee.

421
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Actually, that is a, like, shit thing about being a musician.

422
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You're working when everyone else is partying or resting.

423
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But you're working when they're working as well.

424
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Yeah.

425
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It's so unfair.

426
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Yeah.

427
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And it's like, everyone's like, oh, you're getting up really late.

428
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And you're like, yeah, because I was up really late working.

429
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Yeah.

430
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I wasn't up, like, getting pissed anymore.

431
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Yeah.

432
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you know I was up working yeah and yeah the tour thing is just so much it's like you go into you

433
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get like sometimes you get into bed at like three or four and then you're driving overnight like

434
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that's not asleep I know you slept really well in the moving van you're weird but um but yeah it

435
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was just like you get there at like you know 12 p.m you know yeah yeah yeah I'd love to bring back

436
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the matinee you know what we really need to do and this is the ultimate crone dream is and I can't

437
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remember it because i'm so old what's the word when you have a repeated show help me out grandma

438
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come on oh residency yeah there we go yeah

439
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is go on have a grandma out a residency

440
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we need a residency yeah of massimates i'd love that yeah yeah do you know what my actually my

441
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dream is is to a resident i might save this for another chrome watch actually because it's a good

442
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It involves residency, that matter, no.

443
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But I do need to save it for another Chrome watch

444
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because it's a good one.

445
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I mean, like Vegas is like the dream, right?

446
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I mean, not Vegas, but, you know,

447
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you just do the same thing every day and you're just there.

448
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Yeah, you don't even have to leave.

449
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The travelling is the thing that sucks.

450
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It's like I wouldn't mind if it was like every night in one location

451
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and then I just got up and went to work at a normal time,

452
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but it's the travelling around that's really, really shit.

453
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I don't get it.

454
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Why don't you just have like the musicians stay in their places

455
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and then when you're like,

456
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oh, should we go to Seville and see that band?

457
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Yeah.

458
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Because they're really cool.

459
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And you go to the place, hang out, see the bands that are doing residency.

460
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It makes so much more sense for us to stay still and for them to travel.

461
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Yeah.

462
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Yeah.

463
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Exactly.

464
00:24:31,742 --> 00:24:32,122
You know?

465
00:24:32,422 --> 00:24:32,722
Yeah.

466
00:24:33,202 --> 00:24:34,342
Residency coming soon.

467
00:24:34,502 --> 00:24:36,182
I mean, I'm definitely up for a residency.

468
00:24:36,362 --> 00:24:37,542
Maybe we should just make it happen.

469
00:24:38,142 --> 00:24:41,762
A podcast residency and then we don't even need to like play the music.

470
00:24:41,902 --> 00:24:42,882
We can just sit and chat.

471
00:24:43,042 --> 00:24:43,302
Shit.

472
00:24:43,762 --> 00:24:44,602
Sounds great.

473
00:24:45,022 --> 00:24:45,222
Yeah.

474
00:24:45,222 --> 00:24:52,542
what's your chrome watch okay my chrome watch is a tech one so we've set up this beautiful camera

475
00:24:52,542 --> 00:24:56,962
we set up these great lights and everything and we were like testing all the equipment and it was

476
00:24:56,962 --> 00:25:00,802
like going really well and yeah i was just like this is great we're going to set it up and then

477
00:25:00,802 --> 00:25:06,502
i was like oh hannah it just looks really dark why does it look so dark like is there something

478
00:25:06,502 --> 00:25:10,082
wrong with the camera and the lights you know and i'm looking around i'm checking it i can't really

479
00:25:10,082 --> 00:25:14,622
figure out what's going on and hannah just went over and turned up the light on the computer because

480
00:25:14,622 --> 00:25:20,662
I had it on a really low setting because I was on a plane working on the musical that I'm doing and

481
00:25:20,662 --> 00:25:26,882
I didn't want anyone to see the lyrics so I put it on really low like no one cares I literally

482
00:25:26,882 --> 00:25:31,582
no one cares but you know and you're like don't read my lyrics yeah stay away and then I turned

483
00:25:31,582 --> 00:25:35,582
it down and then just couldn't figure out why my computer was so dark I thought it was the camera

484
00:25:35,582 --> 00:25:39,162
that's like the most old person thing ever I'm actually quite used to it because I do it with

485
00:25:39,162 --> 00:25:39,982
Dara all the time.

486
00:25:40,182 --> 00:25:40,662
That's not good.

487
00:25:40,682 --> 00:25:41,582
That doesn't make me feel better.

488
00:25:42,902 --> 00:25:43,722
That does not make me feel better.

489
00:25:43,722 --> 00:25:45,662
He is like the quintessential old man.

490
00:25:45,902 --> 00:25:47,302
Yeah, but he's also really good at tech.

491
00:25:47,402 --> 00:25:47,662
Yeah.

492
00:25:47,742 --> 00:25:48,642
So there you go.

493
00:25:48,802 --> 00:25:49,822
That should make you feel better.

494
00:25:50,022 --> 00:25:50,382
Thanks.

495
00:25:50,702 --> 00:25:50,922
Yeah.

496
00:25:51,002 --> 00:25:51,902
I don't really feel better.

497
00:25:53,062 --> 00:25:54,182
But thanks for helping me.

498
00:25:54,222 --> 00:25:54,742
I'm glad you were there.

499
00:25:54,742 --> 00:25:54,922
Yeah.

500
00:25:55,222 --> 00:26:07,684
Because I genuinely would have been like trying to make the room even brighter than it already was And it like why is it not bright Like these lights are literally insane If you look at them once it like looking into the sun So it was yeah it was quite special

501
00:26:07,905 --> 00:26:08,124
Yeah.

502
00:26:08,405 --> 00:26:08,604
Yeah.

503
00:26:09,064 --> 00:26:10,465
But that's my Chrome watch.

504
00:26:10,985 --> 00:26:12,705
Shall we return to the show?

505
00:26:12,945 --> 00:26:14,005
Yes, let's do it.

506
00:26:14,304 --> 00:26:14,985
Trust the show.

507
00:26:15,245 --> 00:26:15,745
Number four.

508
00:26:16,045 --> 00:26:16,324
Yeah.

509
00:26:16,465 --> 00:26:20,324
So this leads straight on to number four, which is trust the process.

510
00:26:20,764 --> 00:26:24,084
So basically be really strict about these reps.

511
00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:29,024
like it's not going to be nailed by the time you've done it eight times that that's not the

512
00:26:29,024 --> 00:26:32,245
way it works sometimes it won't be nailed by the time you've done 10 000 times do you know

513
00:26:32,245 --> 00:26:41,684
she's joking i'm joking joking it's not years and years yeah pain no it's fine it's totally fine

514
00:26:41,684 --> 00:26:49,624
yeah yeah um yeah so it's not going to be nailed it's still going to be really shaky um don't try

515
00:26:49,624 --> 00:26:53,784
and squeeze in an extra rep i'm the queen of this as well i'm like oh i'll just do it once more it'll

516
00:26:53,784 --> 00:26:58,564
be perfect this time like why would it be perfect this time yeah like that's not the way it goes and

517
00:26:58,564 --> 00:27:03,725
that's not the way your brain works so don't try and squeeze in any extra reps once you've done the

518
00:27:03,725 --> 00:27:10,225
eight move on to the next section and then once the 20 minutes is up leave it like this is the

519
00:27:10,225 --> 00:27:14,945
process and you just have to trust that even though it feels like you're not making progress

520
00:27:14,945 --> 00:27:20,245
sometimes you definitely are your brain is there in the background absorbing that work yeah and

521
00:27:20,245 --> 00:27:24,064
your muscles are there absorbing that work and it's just really important that you trust that

522
00:27:24,064 --> 00:27:29,804
that's happening and that actually I think often is kind of counterintuitive like the messier it

523
00:27:29,804 --> 00:27:36,184
feels often that's when actually the better it's getting yeah totally because you're like you're

524
00:27:36,184 --> 00:27:40,465
uncomfortable so therefore you're growing right yeah it's not going to be good straight away

525
00:27:40,465 --> 00:27:44,705
yeah um yeah I do love that as well because I find that difficult I'm like well I've only done

526
00:27:44,705 --> 00:27:48,965
that amount it's never going to happen rather than just going well just you have done enough just

527
00:27:48,965 --> 00:27:55,264
just walk away now yeah let your brain rest yeah yeah exactly and I think that you know this is

528
00:27:55,264 --> 00:28:00,344
where having a wider plan helps because actually if you can you know say you've got a gig in two

529
00:28:00,344 --> 00:28:04,624
months if you can be like okay and and this is also where a bit of experience helps because you'll

530
00:28:04,624 --> 00:28:11,384
know how long it takes you to nail a piece but if really if you are able to look back from the gig

531
00:28:11,384 --> 00:28:16,044
in two months I think I'm going to need x amount of practice sessions to nail this part then

532
00:28:16,044 --> 00:28:18,925
And actually practice sessions just feel like brushing your teeth.

533
00:28:19,064 --> 00:28:21,965
You know, it's just another daily task that you do every day.

534
00:28:22,044 --> 00:28:23,205
It's not such a big deal.

535
00:28:23,405 --> 00:28:29,604
You're not going to be so stressed that you haven't nailed the part in that session because you know that it is a process and you've planned out the process.

536
00:28:29,725 --> 00:28:30,745
I think that's really important.

537
00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:31,445
Really important.

538
00:28:31,665 --> 00:28:31,804
Yeah.

539
00:28:31,804 --> 00:28:34,945
And it's good for your mental health when you actually have a plan.

540
00:28:35,445 --> 00:28:41,044
You work well in advance, you know, and you just know that actually like it makes practice so less stressful.

541
00:28:41,044 --> 00:28:50,745
I don't know about you, but like if I'm like really feeling under pressure from a gig and stuff, my practice is not a pleasure because I'm like, shit, every time I get it wrong, I'm just like, I panic.

542
00:28:51,024 --> 00:28:51,284
Yeah.

543
00:28:51,405 --> 00:28:52,725
You're like, is this ever going to be done?

544
00:28:52,764 --> 00:28:53,044
Yeah.

545
00:28:53,104 --> 00:28:53,505
Oh, no.

546
00:28:53,684 --> 00:28:55,165
Like, this is going to take me hours and hours.

547
00:28:55,284 --> 00:28:59,225
Whereas, as you say, if you've just got a plan and you just stick to it, you're doing all you can do.

548
00:28:59,304 --> 00:28:59,485
Yeah.

549
00:28:59,564 --> 00:29:01,985
You know, and you can go back to that 20 minutes anytime you want.

550
00:29:02,184 --> 00:29:02,364
Yeah.

551
00:29:02,465 --> 00:29:08,344
You know, but just do the technique and then just, you know, once you've done those reps, just walk away from you just for a bit, you know.

552
00:29:08,344 --> 00:29:11,304
Well, you say you can go back to that 20 minutes anytime you want.

553
00:29:11,584 --> 00:29:15,225
But actually, this brings me on to the next step, which is sleep on it.

554
00:29:15,705 --> 00:29:16,245
Go to sleep.

555
00:29:16,405 --> 00:29:16,604
Yeah.

556
00:29:16,844 --> 00:29:17,245
Sleep.

557
00:29:17,844 --> 00:29:17,965
Definitely.

558
00:29:17,965 --> 00:29:20,245
So you can practice as much as you want.

559
00:29:20,445 --> 00:29:26,024
But for this particular section, these particular bars don't do more than a 20 minute practice a day.

560
00:29:26,145 --> 00:29:30,084
It might help, but it's really low of diminishing returns at that point.

561
00:29:30,364 --> 00:29:30,844
No, you're right.

562
00:29:30,905 --> 00:29:33,604
Because if you have picked out the tricky bits and they are just the same.

563
00:29:33,665 --> 00:29:37,784
And if you can get through eight reps within that time at least twice, that is enough.

564
00:29:37,784 --> 00:29:38,145
Yeah.

565
00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:42,465
If you then want to go into a different tricky section of a different piece of something, that's different, isn't it?

566
00:29:42,465 --> 00:29:45,064
Don't go back to those ones again and again.

567
00:29:45,225 --> 00:29:45,425
Yeah.

568
00:29:45,425 --> 00:29:48,064
And you're just going to, you know, practice it wrong and get tired.

569
00:29:48,284 --> 00:29:48,945
Yeah, totally.

570
00:29:49,165 --> 00:29:50,764
Never let it sink in.

571
00:29:50,925 --> 00:29:51,544
So you're right.

572
00:29:51,544 --> 00:29:56,344
Like by all means, pick out like 40 tricky sections and do them all in 20 minute blocks.

573
00:29:56,505 --> 00:30:00,505
But for the particular ones you're doing, like the best thing you can do is sleep on it.

574
00:30:01,184 --> 00:30:05,824
And yes, I mean, this is like something that applies across the board.

575
00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:07,544
I mean, it's exercise as well, isn't it?

576
00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:12,364
like rest is just as important as the work like they're both different sides to the same coin you

577
00:30:12,364 --> 00:30:15,824
know like you can't have one without the other like one doesn't work without the other and it's

578
00:30:15,824 --> 00:30:20,864
exactly the same as practice like you need to take your rest seriously when it comes to practice and

579
00:30:20,864 --> 00:30:25,405
be really like smart about it yeah and I don't think a lot of musicians do take rest seriously

580
00:30:25,405 --> 00:30:29,725
because they're so overworked anyway so this is even more important for your practice it's the

581
00:30:29,725 --> 00:30:34,665
most important thing so yeah I totally agree on that and like when you go to sleep like here's

582
00:30:34,665 --> 00:30:38,544
just an extra thing you can do as well like if you really are kind of like find it difficult to walk

583
00:30:38,544 --> 00:30:42,344
away and you don't want to stop and you're like i just don't feel like i've done enough then

584
00:30:42,344 --> 00:30:48,485
listen to the pieces listen to the songs listen to the set list yeah especially before you go to

585
00:30:48,485 --> 00:30:52,624
sleep because then you're subconscious and it's just like you're still learning but you're not

586
00:30:52,624 --> 00:30:58,165
actively doing you're not pushing and trying to get there you're letting your brain take information

587
00:30:58,165 --> 00:31:02,784
in and if you like the pieces which hopefully do it will just feel like a nice kind of reward and

588
00:31:02,784 --> 00:31:05,284
And sometimes you'll just drift off, not even listening to them, but they're there.

589
00:31:05,344 --> 00:31:08,465
But it means that your practice doesn't have to stop.

590
00:31:09,024 --> 00:31:14,524
You know, you're still taking stuff in, but you need to do it in a way where you're in rest mode and not in action mode.

591
00:31:14,524 --> 00:31:18,524
Because otherwise, I mean, just on a basic level, your nervous system's not relaxing.

592
00:31:18,804 --> 00:31:22,665
How are you ever going to take something in if you can't rest and let that happen?

593
00:31:22,764 --> 00:31:23,884
So, yeah, 100%.

594
00:31:23,884 --> 00:31:24,524
So true.

595
00:31:24,945 --> 00:31:31,424
And actually, this point about listening is really relevant to number six, which is test your memory.

596
00:31:31,425 --> 00:31:40,405
retrieval practice is really really good for improvement um and a lot of people ask you know

597
00:31:40,405 --> 00:31:44,884
how do I even go about memorizing a song that sounds so difficult you know but it's just the

598
00:31:44,884 --> 00:31:50,364
same as normal practice you just break it down and you just repeat it and maybe just close your

599
00:31:50,364 --> 00:31:55,364
eyes for like as much as you can do and then open them and see if you've done the right notes but

600
00:31:55,364 --> 00:32:00,264
yeah it can be very very slow progress at first but it's just systematic just like all the other

601
00:32:00,264 --> 00:32:07,005
bits of practice and actually if you are able to learn those bits by memory everything else will be

602
00:32:07,005 --> 00:32:13,185
solid totally I think like um um I used to sort of try and learn a page and I would just cover up

603
00:32:13,185 --> 00:32:18,264
certain sections of it with post it and then you know try and play through that bit and I'd just

604
00:32:18,264 --> 00:32:21,925
block it off and I'd do that with students as well I'd cover it up and be like okay now you know or

605
00:32:21,925 --> 00:32:26,705
you can put a book so you just gradually move the book along like that so you're just going into

606
00:32:26,705 --> 00:32:31,884
those bars but um i yeah i think a lot of people either rely solely on memory or solely on the

607
00:32:31,884 --> 00:32:36,425
score and i think having both will make you a really solid musician and it's quite difficult

608
00:32:36,425 --> 00:32:40,524
some people are just absolutely glued to the score for me i'm like glued to a chord sheet for a while

609
00:32:40,524 --> 00:32:45,384
but the minute i learn it off the page it's in there you know yeah and this is actually where

610
00:32:45,384 --> 00:32:50,804
we come back to your point about listening like listening is the key to learning something from

611
00:32:50,804 --> 00:32:56,064
memory i think well obviously is that obvious i don't know anyway necessarily no no yeah anyway

612
00:32:56,064 --> 00:32:58,784
But listening is the key to learning something from memory.

613
00:32:59,205 --> 00:33:06,044
And really, it is the key to also maximizing your learning without actually having to force your brain.

614
00:33:06,405 --> 00:33:06,824
Yeah, exactly.

615
00:33:07,324 --> 00:33:09,645
Without having to do this whole like struggle practice.

616
00:33:10,064 --> 00:33:11,324
Like that's just a thing of the past.

617
00:33:11,485 --> 00:33:16,384
Like teachers used to be like, play all your scales, do this, do that, do that.

618
00:33:16,424 --> 00:33:18,344
You're like, you're just a slave driver.

619
00:33:18,645 --> 00:33:20,784
And you're just saying that because you think it'll make me better.

620
00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:22,624
But that's not going to give anyone any joy.

621
00:33:22,824 --> 00:33:24,604
It'll make them feel like they're getting better.

622
00:33:24,604 --> 00:33:29,344
what you need is like focus practice and I was definitely always telling my students that you

623
00:33:29,344 --> 00:33:33,524
don't need to do huge amounts of practice they have to be focused if you're doing two hours of

624
00:33:33,524 --> 00:33:37,824
practice and not improving it's because you're doing that struggle practice and you're not really

625
00:33:37,824 --> 00:33:42,184
focusing what you should be you know what are you doing in those two hours if you're not improving

626
00:33:42,184 --> 00:33:48,245
it's because you're doing too much yeah definitely yeah and actually you know being open to just

627
00:33:48,245 --> 00:33:52,505
absorbing is so important I think I don't know about you as well like as a professional musician

628
00:33:52,505 --> 00:33:55,124
and if I'm learning a session set or, you know,

629
00:33:55,304 --> 00:33:57,485
it's very rare that I actually get my instrument out.

630
00:33:57,905 --> 00:33:58,985
Yeah, I'll just be listening.

631
00:33:59,104 --> 00:33:59,884
Yeah, I just listen.

632
00:34:00,064 --> 00:34:01,264
Yeah, totally.

633
00:34:01,584 --> 00:34:02,884
Because if you can hone that part of your brain,

634
00:34:02,965 --> 00:34:03,925
it makes everything so much easier.

635
00:34:04,324 --> 00:34:06,684
I mean, Anna would be like driving to a gig

636
00:34:06,684 --> 00:34:08,685
and she'd like just listen to the songs in the back

637
00:34:08,685 --> 00:34:09,524
and then she'd know them.

638
00:34:09,744 --> 00:34:09,925
Yeah.

639
00:34:10,024 --> 00:34:10,665
That's unreal.

640
00:34:10,925 --> 00:34:13,304
You know, if you can make that skill really important,

641
00:34:13,405 --> 00:34:15,425
that memorizing thing and just hear how something is

642
00:34:15,425 --> 00:34:16,624
and then know how it's meant to be played,

643
00:34:16,744 --> 00:34:18,264
that is an incredible skill.

644
00:34:18,284 --> 00:34:19,685
Talk about optimizing your time.

645
00:34:19,865 --> 00:34:20,024
Right.

646
00:34:20,024 --> 00:34:22,044
Because you can listen anywhere, you know,

647
00:34:22,044 --> 00:34:26,264
you can listen on the train you know there's so many things you can do while you're listening to

648
00:34:26,264 --> 00:34:31,604
music yeah you know exactly turn the podcast off listen to your songs now do it and the other reason

649
00:34:31,604 --> 00:34:36,024
for listening to your songs is you should be like if you're learning repertoire that already exists

650
00:34:36,024 --> 00:34:41,165
like you should be listening to how the masters interpret that repertoire like that's a really

651
00:34:41,165 --> 00:34:46,004
really essential part of your learning and also if you're just like i know it's tempting just to

652
00:34:46,004 --> 00:34:50,885
want to just do it yeah but if you're just like looking at the score and practicing you're going

653
00:34:50,885 --> 00:34:54,524
to be making all sorts of mistakes that you've got no idea about totally yeah if you're not

654
00:34:54,524 --> 00:34:59,304
listening to those pieces like at least once a day or you know once after your practice or something

655
00:34:59,304 --> 00:35:03,665
it's crazy i always make my students like let's say they were doing like their three grade pieces

656
00:35:03,665 --> 00:35:07,544
and they're like high level stuff or they're doing their diploma i'd be like make a playlist

657
00:35:07,544 --> 00:35:14,385
of those pieces but make a playlist of like six versions of that one six versions of that and six

658
00:35:14,385 --> 00:35:18,004
versions of that and then just put it on shuffle anytime you're cooking or something yeah so that

659
00:35:18,004 --> 00:35:20,845
You're listening to the same piece being played again and again and again and again.

660
00:35:20,905 --> 00:35:23,604
So it's just locking into your brain, but with slightly different versions.

661
00:35:24,084 --> 00:35:24,784
Yeah, yeah.

662
00:35:25,064 --> 00:35:26,424
So, yeah, memories.

663
00:35:26,724 --> 00:35:28,144
Yeah, it's just really, really great.

664
00:35:28,325 --> 00:35:28,604
Yeah.

665
00:35:29,104 --> 00:35:29,744
Those are some excellent points.

666
00:35:29,744 --> 00:35:32,024
So, yeah, those are the six points.

667
00:35:32,284 --> 00:35:33,144
Wonderful, wonderful.

668
00:35:33,365 --> 00:35:33,804
All right.

669
00:35:33,885 --> 00:35:36,104
Well, shall we go into the pudding?

670
00:35:36,724 --> 00:35:37,665
Yes, let's do it.

671
00:35:37,964 --> 00:35:38,205
Okay.

672
00:35:38,524 --> 00:35:43,504
So just as a little sprinkle on the pudding, I've got one more tip that can be really handy for practicing.

673
00:35:43,504 --> 00:35:46,024
This is an extra thing, so don't feel you have to do it.

674
00:35:46,024 --> 00:35:51,464
But I think making backing tracks that you can slow down and speed up is brilliant.

675
00:35:51,944 --> 00:35:58,444
Like if you've got Logic or GarageBand or anything where you can drop the song in or if you've got MIDI, fantastic.

676
00:35:59,104 --> 00:36:02,225
But basically like stretching the song out really slowly.

677
00:36:02,225 --> 00:36:06,144
And if let's say you've got something really difficult and you're like, whoa, this is way too fast.

678
00:36:06,385 --> 00:36:10,464
Don't just run at it and try and play it really fast and then get it wrong a million times.

679
00:36:10,464 --> 00:36:17,124
slow it down to like a third of the speed or more and then play along to that to a click and do that

680
00:36:17,124 --> 00:36:24,024
as your eight reps and then the next time go up two bpm yeah that is like an absolute fail-safe

681
00:36:24,024 --> 00:36:27,905
way of just getting a section nailed if you're really out of your depth um so i would say like

682
00:36:27,905 --> 00:36:31,964
making backing tracks is a really good idea yeah and stretching the song down so that's just that's

683
00:36:31,964 --> 00:36:36,484
my little tip well also if you do it you can literally plan out your practice and then just

684
00:36:36,484 --> 00:36:41,524
put the track on and that's your 20 minute sorted right exactly yeah that's what I used and I used

685
00:36:41,524 --> 00:36:46,905
to like do it at like 40 bpm 45 and I'd have the whole thing to this backing track just literally

686
00:36:46,905 --> 00:36:50,345
hit play and I'd play along with it by the end I couldn't do it but I knew I was getting further

687
00:36:50,345 --> 00:36:57,484
each time so yeah that's like the bleep test but just for practice right exactly yeah pretty much

688
00:36:57,484 --> 00:37:02,284
you'd love that yeah I bet you love the bleep yeah I bet you do all the time and then you're like

689
00:37:02,284 --> 00:37:09,144
bleeped yeah that's why you're so tired um have you got any little sprinkles any extra thoughts

690
00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:16,745
um i think that's it for me just well i just wanted to say like these tips are about concentrated

691
00:37:16,745 --> 00:37:22,925
effortful technical practice obviously the two hour rule or the four hour rule doesn't apply

692
00:37:22,925 --> 00:37:27,964
to practice where you're in flow that's a very different type of practice that is playing

693
00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:34,264
yeah that's fine that's yeah and it's equally important yeah um but yeah it is a different

694
00:37:34,264 --> 00:37:40,124
type of practice and yeah I think one thing we did want to add actually is just that uh when

695
00:37:40,124 --> 00:37:44,685
you're rehearsing with your band you should be in flow that is playing not practicing you should not

696
00:37:44,685 --> 00:37:49,544
be turning up to rehearsal needing to repeat sections like that practice should be done at

697
00:37:49,544 --> 00:37:54,024
home yeah definitely don't be the person in the band that doesn't practice before the band practice

698
00:37:54,024 --> 00:37:59,284
like practice and then go to the rehearsal otherwise you're an actor turning up without

699
00:37:59,284 --> 00:38:05,024
having learned any lines yeah like that's that's not cool yeah and I think that's just a really

700
00:38:05,024 --> 00:38:10,185
good tip for going from like a hobby musician to a professional one it's like your preparation is

701
00:38:10,185 --> 00:38:14,205
key but even if you're a little bit out of your depth or at least know what you're supposed to be

702
00:38:14,205 --> 00:38:18,845
doing you know like don't waste the time in rehearsal because it's expensive and also like

703
00:38:18,845 --> 00:38:22,544
you'll just waste everybody's time I can't tell you how many times back in the day whereas like a

704
00:38:22,544 --> 00:38:26,104
drummer just absolutely smashing out parts and you're there like can't hear anything or there's

705
00:38:26,104 --> 00:38:29,784
a guitarist just practicing a bit again and again and again in the rehearsal room and you're like

706
00:38:29,784 --> 00:38:35,764
this is not a good use of our time yeah you know yeah um yeah so that's that's a good tip as well

707
00:38:35,764 --> 00:38:39,984
yeah it's definitely like preparation and do you have any tips for like multi-instrumentalists

708
00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:44,784
because we obviously play quite a few instruments between us yeah um so your cello practice is going

709
00:38:44,784 --> 00:38:49,964
really well do you have a tip for people who are like juggling multiple instruments it's the same

710
00:38:49,964 --> 00:38:56,845
apply well so I think for multi-instrumentalists obviously like physically you're going to be

711
00:38:56,845 --> 00:39:14,387
limited when you start an instrument so you should be doing no more than 20 minutes a day even though you got the mindset and probably a good concentration span to be able to do more like physically you going to be limited like with harp if I getting back to it and doing more than like an hour a day I have blisters by

712
00:39:14,387 --> 00:39:19,067
day five do you know what I mean it's like it's too much so all instruments will have their own

713
00:39:19,067 --> 00:39:23,327
physical limitations so really it's like anything it's like sport just like you have to build it up

714
00:39:23,327 --> 00:39:28,567
from scratch you know even if you are used to doing a lot of practice so that's my big tip

715
00:39:28,567 --> 00:39:35,927
to myself yeah yeah yeah um but yeah otherwise I think when you are a multi-instrumentalist it's

716
00:39:35,927 --> 00:39:41,147
just about like intuition isn't it definitely and as you say the physical aspects are so important

717
00:39:41,147 --> 00:39:45,527
singing is quite physical especially if you're doing quite like intense like I used to find with

718
00:39:45,527 --> 00:39:49,387
Birdie's Baby I could sing for like hours but then doing Crimson Vale like sometimes as soon as I

719
00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:54,867
started doing metal it was like this is really like really intense so I would only do a very

720
00:39:54,867 --> 00:39:59,327
very very short amount of that kind of singing to practice it just to keep it fresh but I'm not

721
00:39:59,327 --> 00:40:04,807
gonna do like an hour of metal singing yeah no way not not in the run-up to a tour that's crazy

722
00:40:04,807 --> 00:40:08,967
that's crazy yeah so yeah yeah that's there's that kind of thing and then obviously like things like

723
00:40:08,967 --> 00:40:12,447
the accordion where it's like really heavy and you wear it and stuff like that there is quite a lot

724
00:40:12,447 --> 00:40:16,667
of limitations and I'm gonna get some problems so yeah yeah I think it's quite important to just be

725
00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:20,467
quite strict with your body as well and just make sure you're not burning out before the actual

726
00:40:20,467 --> 00:40:25,547
performance yeah it's gone crazy with practice yeah and I think the other tip I would give to

727
00:40:25,547 --> 00:40:30,587
multi-instrumentalists is like you know when you're a professional musician juggling a lot

728
00:40:30,587 --> 00:40:34,967
like practice shouldn't be like it was when you were a student I don't practice seven days a week

729
00:40:34,967 --> 00:40:40,407
I probably practice about five days a week I don't practice you know every instrument every day yeah

730
00:40:40,407 --> 00:40:45,167
like practice towards your goals yes you know yeah I'm not going to do my fucking cello scales

731
00:40:45,167 --> 00:40:48,927
every day of the year just because I play cello.

732
00:40:49,067 --> 00:40:50,687
Like if I don't have anything on for cello,

733
00:40:50,727 --> 00:40:52,027
I'm not going to touch it for months.

734
00:40:52,127 --> 00:40:53,007
And that's the way it should be

735
00:40:53,007 --> 00:40:54,267
if you're juggling loads of instruments

736
00:40:54,267 --> 00:40:56,467
because those skills will always be there

737
00:40:56,467 --> 00:40:57,247
when you come back.

738
00:40:57,447 --> 00:40:58,567
You know, it might be a little rusty,

739
00:40:58,807 --> 00:40:59,727
but it will be there.

740
00:40:59,887 --> 00:41:03,367
And actually like consistency for a period of time

741
00:41:03,367 --> 00:41:04,307
is the important thing.

742
00:41:04,827 --> 00:41:05,367
Yeah, totally.

743
00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:06,507
I totally agree with that.

744
00:41:06,567 --> 00:41:07,927
Yeah, practicing towards your goals

745
00:41:07,927 --> 00:41:09,667
rather than just doing practice for the sake of it.

746
00:41:10,027 --> 00:41:11,287
Like the musicians that go like,

747
00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:13,667
I'm going to practice all my scales today

748
00:41:13,667 --> 00:41:14,767
and then I'm going to do this

749
00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:19,307
and then I'm going to do that for what like why yeah why are you doing that yeah you know really

750
00:41:19,307 --> 00:41:24,227
what is the purpose of your practice because if it's just to like flex or if it's just to kind of

751
00:41:24,227 --> 00:41:28,307
like do something because you feel you have to you're not really going to get closer to a goal

752
00:41:28,307 --> 00:41:33,227
no you know drop anything that's heavy yeah don't yeah don't do the stuff that's going to absolutely

753
00:41:33,227 --> 00:41:39,067
like just be pointless yeah and I think as well as a professional musician if you are just doing

754
00:41:39,067 --> 00:41:44,527
the daily routines like the same daily routine every day like scales and stuff it's like exercise

755
00:41:44,527 --> 00:41:49,767
you plateau you're not going to grow that way like I do feel like you do have to have the goals that

756
00:41:49,767 --> 00:41:53,987
you work towards and then see the achievement yeah and then have the next goal I really feel like

757
00:41:53,987 --> 00:41:57,947
that's how we grow as musicians yeah and sometimes you're going to be totally in love with one

758
00:41:57,947 --> 00:42:02,167
particular piece or one particular instrument and you're just going to want to do it to death and

759
00:42:02,167 --> 00:42:06,627
that's fine we work in cycles we're not there to do the same thing every single day because that

760
00:42:06,627 --> 00:42:11,167
would just be insane with music you'd be so depressed yeah um you know that's like being in

761
00:42:11,167 --> 00:42:16,927
a cheering covers band you know yeah depression depression depression just not even depression

762
00:42:16,927 --> 00:42:21,367
just numbness I don't think I'd be numb I think I'd be like jumping out the window yeah that's

763
00:42:21,367 --> 00:42:26,207
not a life I want to live um yeah and I think maybe the final thing would be just chase the joy

764
00:42:26,207 --> 00:42:31,867
like if if practice and playing isn't bringing you joy like approach it from a different perspective

765
00:42:31,867 --> 00:42:36,007
you know or maybe there's something there that needs to be looked at like why are you not enjoying

766
00:42:36,007 --> 00:42:40,407
it yeah you're doing too much and pushing yourself to burn out yeah maybe you're really early on with

767
00:42:40,407 --> 00:42:46,527
the instrument and it's not at that stage where you're having fun yet yeah exactly and I do think

768
00:42:46,527 --> 00:42:52,187
this is where this six set system really actually works for you because if you if you do just want

769
00:42:52,187 --> 00:42:57,447
to chase that joy like just having something that you can pull out and go systematically through

770
00:42:57,447 --> 00:43:02,107
and then park for the day is actually really really useful because then you can get on with

771
00:43:02,107 --> 00:43:07,267
the rest of the session just playing for fun you know if that's what you need to do yeah totally I

772
00:43:07,267 --> 00:43:13,127
love it i'm inspired i'm excited i'm gonna get my accordion out of this dusty old box and show it

773
00:43:13,127 --> 00:43:20,427
some show it some hate yeah yeah um great okay so let us know if you found this useful obviously

774
00:43:20,427 --> 00:43:24,667
it's always a work in progress these kind of things and you come back to it again and again

775
00:43:24,667 --> 00:43:29,807
and try and you know refine and refresh and that's what i've been doing this time around and that's

776
00:43:29,807 --> 00:43:33,987
why i wanted to share this but i'm really keen to hear your tips if you've got anything that

777
00:43:33,987 --> 00:43:40,207
absolutely works for you. I would love to hear it. I'm always like looking for new practice tips or

778
00:43:40,207 --> 00:43:45,487
new kind of mindsets and stuff. So we would love to hear from you. If you've got any good practice

779
00:43:45,487 --> 00:43:51,607
tips, please write into the show. Yes, please let us know. And now we are going to answer some of

780
00:43:51,607 --> 00:43:58,367
your questions. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. All right. Should we do the weekly whinge? Yes. The weekly

781
00:43:58,367 --> 00:44:05,307
favorite part of the show yeah okay my wench is that I have quite a lot of personalities

782
00:44:05,307 --> 00:44:10,367
and you know they're all quite different like I feel like I'm quite a like multifaceted person

783
00:44:10,367 --> 00:44:16,387
you know so I've got kind of like you know my goth queen personality I've got my like

784
00:44:16,387 --> 00:44:22,327
health goth you know yeah yeah got your princess got my princess vibes got my kind of ballet core

785
00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:27,687
personality you know got my kind of like cute little creepy personality yeah yeah the terrifying

786
00:44:27,687 --> 00:44:33,567
one that occasionally comes out yes once every six years yes that's true and uh i've got my like

787
00:44:33,567 --> 00:44:40,027
floaty boho personality that loves to wear white you know you've got your rapper i do i do yeah

788
00:44:40,027 --> 00:44:46,327
yes i do it's like a new one is born every year yeah but the others don't leave it's just yeah

789
00:44:46,327 --> 00:44:51,527
i'm like the guy in uh is it split yeah yeah yeah that's great that's basically me right i can't

790
00:44:51,527 --> 00:44:56,767
wait for the one that you climb up the walls and stuff yeah my beast yeah yeah yeah i mean to be

791
00:44:56,767 --> 00:44:59,047
You haven't done my stuff all year.

792
00:44:59,587 --> 00:45:01,127
But this is all great.

793
00:45:01,287 --> 00:45:01,807
Re-engagement.

794
00:45:02,207 --> 00:45:03,267
This is all good, right?

795
00:45:03,267 --> 00:45:08,167
But the problem is I don't have wardrobes for all of these personalities.

796
00:45:08,447 --> 00:45:09,907
Oh, that's tiresome.

797
00:45:09,947 --> 00:45:10,207
I know.

798
00:45:10,307 --> 00:45:10,787
That's not fair.

799
00:45:11,227 --> 00:45:11,727
It's not fair.

800
00:45:11,827 --> 00:45:17,247
Do you mean you don't have enough wardrobes or you don't have enough clothes to fit in the wardrobes or both?

801
00:45:17,367 --> 00:45:17,747
Both.

802
00:45:17,827 --> 00:45:18,307
Both.

803
00:45:18,547 --> 00:45:19,207
That is a travesty.

804
00:45:19,207 --> 00:45:22,247
Like, you know, in the world that I would like to live in,

805
00:45:22,487 --> 00:45:26,827
I would have seven different wardribes full of all the outfits

806
00:45:26,827 --> 00:45:28,347
that this personality would like to wear.

807
00:45:28,367 --> 00:45:30,747
You need one of those revolving ones that super rich people have.

808
00:45:30,827 --> 00:45:31,027
Yeah.

809
00:45:31,267 --> 00:45:32,827
You just push a button and then it just goes round.

810
00:45:33,007 --> 00:45:33,167
Yeah.

811
00:45:33,207 --> 00:45:36,027
And then you could just, like, press the button for, like, the, you know,

812
00:45:36,087 --> 00:45:36,287
the beats you know.

813
00:45:36,287 --> 00:45:36,947
That would be amazing.

814
00:45:37,067 --> 00:45:38,307
And then for, like, you know, for, like.

815
00:45:38,327 --> 00:45:40,227
The princess mode and then all these prom dresses show up.

816
00:45:40,247 --> 00:45:41,547
Yeah, or, like, my rapper personality.

817
00:45:41,547 --> 00:45:44,607
And I've got just all these, like, Juicy Couture track pants

818
00:45:44,607 --> 00:45:45,907
and then all these, like, sunglasses pop out.

819
00:45:45,907 --> 00:45:48,847
Right, imagine being rich enough to not care that you've got Juicy Couture.

820
00:45:49,207 --> 00:45:50,887
that you've wasted money on Juicy Couture.

821
00:45:51,047 --> 00:45:51,727
Can you imagine that?

822
00:45:52,987 --> 00:45:54,907
That's the level of wealth I want to achieve.

823
00:45:55,267 --> 00:45:55,527
Yeah, totally.

824
00:45:55,647 --> 00:45:57,107
Can you help us out, guys, by the way?

825
00:45:57,207 --> 00:45:59,647
If anyone's listening to us on any of the apps

826
00:45:59,647 --> 00:46:00,947
that actually pay, like Fountain,

827
00:46:01,147 --> 00:46:03,947
please send us some coins, send us some Bitcoins,

828
00:46:04,087 --> 00:46:04,747
send us some Zaps.

829
00:46:05,107 --> 00:46:07,187
So we can buy absolutely pointless truck suits.

830
00:46:07,187 --> 00:46:08,607
We'll use it wisely, I promise.

831
00:46:08,627 --> 00:46:10,687
We'll use it wisely and we'll show you pictures.

832
00:46:11,047 --> 00:46:12,627
Yeah, so, you know, that's worth its money.

833
00:46:12,787 --> 00:46:14,607
To see Hannah completely dressed in Juicy Couture,

834
00:46:14,727 --> 00:46:15,527
I want to see that.

835
00:46:15,567 --> 00:46:17,187
I want a Juicy Couture truck suit as well.

836
00:46:17,227 --> 00:46:18,727
I think we need matching truck suits.

837
00:46:18,727 --> 00:46:20,167
Yeah, we do.

838
00:46:20,267 --> 00:46:22,307
I mean, we have matching tracksuits, but we don't have designer ones.

839
00:46:22,607 --> 00:46:25,787
We've got cheap ones from fucking Primark.

840
00:46:26,107 --> 00:46:29,047
Because that's the kind of girl, that's the kind of budget we've got.

841
00:46:29,267 --> 00:46:29,507
Yeah.

842
00:46:30,027 --> 00:46:30,907
I'm sorry for you.

843
00:46:30,987 --> 00:46:31,607
That's really sad.

844
00:46:31,827 --> 00:46:35,647
I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you're not allowed to have an entire wardrobe full of polka dots.

845
00:46:35,767 --> 00:46:36,087
I know.

846
00:46:36,307 --> 00:46:36,987
It's really sad.

847
00:46:37,047 --> 00:46:38,627
I feel like I'm in my polka dot era.

848
00:46:38,927 --> 00:46:40,747
Sometimes I feel like I'm in my polka dot era.

849
00:46:41,467 --> 00:46:41,707
Yeah.

850
00:46:42,407 --> 00:46:45,247
And for that reason, I would like an entire wardrobe full of polka dots.

851
00:46:45,247 --> 00:46:47,127
I don't understand why this is so much to ask.

852
00:46:47,367 --> 00:46:47,547
Yeah.

853
00:46:48,007 --> 00:46:48,267
Yeah.

854
00:46:48,727 --> 00:46:49,847
Gary has four kilts.

855
00:46:50,187 --> 00:46:51,267
I'm just sharing that now.

856
00:46:51,467 --> 00:46:52,147
That's amazing.

857
00:46:52,347 --> 00:46:52,607
That's the thing.

858
00:46:52,647 --> 00:46:54,107
I mean, he is like the king of Scotland.

859
00:46:54,387 --> 00:46:54,527
Right.

860
00:46:54,887 --> 00:46:55,947
Yeah, he is.

861
00:46:56,187 --> 00:46:57,767
His sisters escaped to Brighton.

862
00:46:57,987 --> 00:46:58,807
You know, he's never going back.

863
00:46:58,827 --> 00:46:59,407
He's an exile.

864
00:46:59,587 --> 00:47:00,147
He's an exile.

865
00:47:00,367 --> 00:47:00,827
Yeah, yeah.

866
00:47:01,207 --> 00:47:01,727
He's the king.

867
00:47:01,807 --> 00:47:02,987
They just don't know he's the king.

868
00:47:03,227 --> 00:47:04,507
But yeah, he's the king of Scotland.

869
00:47:04,667 --> 00:47:06,267
But he's got four kilts now.

870
00:47:06,667 --> 00:47:07,567
They're all really nice.

871
00:47:07,567 --> 00:47:07,867
Wow.

872
00:47:07,867 --> 00:47:08,547
They're really fancy.

873
00:47:08,947 --> 00:47:11,387
Anyway, we'll go into that when we do podcast episodes.

874
00:47:11,387 --> 00:47:15,767
But yeah, my whinge is female shaving products.

875
00:47:15,927 --> 00:47:16,667
Because I'm so old.

876
00:47:16,887 --> 00:47:18,307
Because I'm a crone.

877
00:47:18,307 --> 00:47:21,607
I can't remember if I've done this one already, but I believe it deserves a second whinge.

878
00:47:22,047 --> 00:47:31,087
Because I feel like you buy like a female, you know, bikini razor, which first of all is just dumb because it's just the same thing, you know.

879
00:47:31,227 --> 00:47:31,387
Yeah.

880
00:47:31,567 --> 00:47:36,487
But it's like tiny and it's pink and it's shit and it's expensive.

881
00:47:36,807 --> 00:47:41,367
And it's literally like someone just going like, you're like, that's not working at all.

882
00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:42,427
That's really, really shit.

883
00:47:42,607 --> 00:47:45,487
But like Gary's one, he's got like a little one for his beard.

884
00:47:45,487 --> 00:47:50,807
honestly turn it on and it's like you know it's like you know you're like this has actually got

885
00:47:50,807 --> 00:47:55,847
some electricity in it yeah yeah ladies one it's like it's so shit yeah and mine's three times the

886
00:47:55,847 --> 00:48:02,407
price and it doesn't work it's just like someone going on your hula it's crap you know yeah it's

887
00:48:02,407 --> 00:48:07,527
already irritating enough that i can't be a hairy bitch yeah because i'm not that feminist yet you

888
00:48:07,527 --> 00:48:11,727
know i just i can't be bothered with the armpits and i don't want to go to the spa and see my friend

889
00:48:11,727 --> 00:48:17,627
and be like yeah yeah so it's just really nice and then they break really easily so now i just

890
00:48:17,627 --> 00:48:24,047
use gary's yeah he doesn't even care fine but yeah that's my whinge yeah it's a good whinge i mean

891
00:48:24,047 --> 00:48:28,167
it's pretty relevant to a lot of people i think it's quite annoying it's one of those things where

892
00:48:28,167 --> 00:48:32,487
you're like that's just another shit thing it's just like what do they call it the pink tax right

893
00:48:32,487 --> 00:48:37,027
right yeah just crap isn't it do you remember that time there was there was one international

894
00:48:37,027 --> 00:48:42,987
women's day where you know like vic the pen company yeah they put out like it was like such

895
00:48:42,987 --> 00:48:47,387
bad taste and they got absolutely ripped apart for it they put out a pink pen in honor of

896
00:48:47,387 --> 00:48:53,027
international women's day and then loads of people were just like we don't know how to use it you

897
00:48:53,027 --> 00:48:58,067
know like they got absolutely ripped apart from every single angle yeah it was so i don't think

898
00:48:58,067 --> 00:49:01,607
they'll be doing that again yeah you know when you're like that was a guy's idea i hope it was

899
00:49:01,607 --> 00:49:06,387
a guy's idea it was so cringe oh yeah it's just super embarrassing yeah you know when you're just

900
00:49:06,387 --> 00:49:13,227
like can we just have one section in the drugstore yeah razors yeah i don't need one that's pink

901
00:49:13,227 --> 00:49:18,787
that's got a picture of fucking like goddess on it with loads of splashing shells and bollocks i

902
00:49:18,787 --> 00:49:24,327
just want a fucking razor that works yeah in black thank you very much yeah or in it today

903
00:49:24,327 --> 00:49:30,707
i'm meant to razors i mean i'm kind of just using gary's yeah it's fine i am now i'm not making that

904
00:49:30,707 --> 00:49:35,747
mistake again my second time i bought a fucking girl's thingy and they're just so the problem for

905
00:49:35,747 --> 00:49:40,927
me is i really like pink stuff well that's okay then but yeah but no it's not because everything

906
00:49:40,927 --> 00:49:46,587
pink is less quality because it's for women yeah exactly it's really crap yeah and the razors are

907
00:49:46,587 --> 00:49:52,047
more expensive yeah man's one why yeah it's so mad it's just like yeah and don't tell me that

908
00:49:52,047 --> 00:49:58,847
beards are more stubbly you've not seen some ladies who has i'm just saying yeah like we need

909
00:49:58,847 --> 00:50:04,527
something that works yeah i need it to be pink and shit exactly totally agree amen yeah totally

910
00:50:04,527 --> 00:50:07,087
Anyway, I'm sorry about your wardrobe situation.

911
00:50:07,967 --> 00:50:08,947
I'll get over it.

912
00:50:09,207 --> 00:50:13,787
Hopefully we can get rich really soon and then I can have a revolving wardrobe.

913
00:50:14,047 --> 00:50:14,267
Yeah.

914
00:50:14,387 --> 00:50:15,587
How much do they cost, do you think?

915
00:50:15,627 --> 00:50:16,487
It's probably quite expensive.

916
00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:17,967
Well, I'd have to buy the house first.

917
00:50:18,047 --> 00:50:18,627
That's the problem.

918
00:50:18,707 --> 00:50:19,067
Oh, yeah.

919
00:50:19,167 --> 00:50:19,407
You know?

920
00:50:19,627 --> 00:50:21,947
Or you can't just take up all of the space in your existing house.

921
00:50:21,967 --> 00:50:23,387
Well, this is the next step, right?

922
00:50:23,487 --> 00:50:25,087
I need room for this wardrobe.

923
00:50:25,247 --> 00:50:25,787
Yeah, you do.

924
00:50:25,807 --> 00:50:27,667
Which involves buying a big house, you know?

925
00:50:27,667 --> 00:50:29,527
I think we need a warehouse, you know?

926
00:50:29,847 --> 00:50:30,047
Yeah.

927
00:50:30,047 --> 00:50:30,407
Yeah.

928
00:50:30,407 --> 00:50:33,227
Yeah, we've had some great costumes for our music videos,

929
00:50:33,307 --> 00:50:34,787
but they all just sit in a box in the app.

930
00:50:34,807 --> 00:50:35,927
I know, it's so sad.

931
00:50:36,207 --> 00:50:37,627
I feel like we need dress up days.

932
00:50:37,947 --> 00:50:39,507
We'll do them on the podcast next time.

933
00:50:39,567 --> 00:50:40,007
We just do it.

934
00:50:40,007 --> 00:50:45,347
If we get our wardrobe, we will do fancy dress up days for the podcast.

935
00:50:45,527 --> 00:50:48,347
This is a very good incentive to contribute to our podcast.

936
00:50:49,087 --> 00:50:50,387
Anyway, the point is we need more clothes.

937
00:50:50,587 --> 00:50:52,427
So please send us some money, please, please, please.

938
00:50:52,527 --> 00:50:52,907
That'd be great.

939
00:50:53,327 --> 00:50:54,207
And go and do your practice.

940
00:50:54,427 --> 00:50:54,567
Yeah.

941
00:50:58,347 --> 00:51:00,327
Hello and welcome to Sound Advice.

942
00:51:00,407 --> 00:51:06,327
The part of the show where Hannah and I bestow our musical knowledge upon you by answering your questions.

943
00:51:06,727 --> 00:51:08,567
Therapy is expensive. We're free.

944
00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:10,747
We are free, but we would also like your money.

945
00:51:11,027 --> 00:51:16,787
So if you can subscribe to the show on Fountain or ping us some money or send us some zaps.

946
00:51:17,267 --> 00:51:18,007
Zap, zap, zap.

947
00:51:18,207 --> 00:51:18,627
Yeah.

948
00:51:18,707 --> 00:51:23,067
Which actually gives us real money for us to spend on our therapy.

949
00:51:23,727 --> 00:51:25,367
Revolutionary, I know, in the music industry.

950
00:51:25,507 --> 00:51:25,887
Right.

951
00:51:26,047 --> 00:51:26,147
Yeah.

952
00:51:26,147 --> 00:51:27,287
Learning money for therapy.

953
00:51:27,287 --> 00:51:27,847
Mm-hmm.

954
00:51:28,007 --> 00:51:30,227
Should we give some people some therapy?

955
00:51:30,407 --> 00:51:31,287
Let's do it.

956
00:51:31,407 --> 00:51:31,807
All right.

957
00:51:32,287 --> 00:51:34,287
This is from Purple Heart Emoji.

958
00:51:34,567 --> 00:51:35,287
That's not their name.

959
00:51:35,387 --> 00:51:36,767
They just left us a purple heart emoji.

960
00:51:36,967 --> 00:51:38,487
You can see, you know, it's a nice little heart.

961
00:51:38,667 --> 00:51:39,647
I feel like they're friendly already.

962
00:51:39,807 --> 00:51:40,087
It's good.

963
00:51:40,467 --> 00:51:45,727
This question is, do you start with the creation of the lyrics or with the music?

964
00:51:46,087 --> 00:51:46,967
What do you start with?

965
00:51:47,467 --> 00:51:48,927
I mean, it depends.

966
00:51:49,307 --> 00:51:49,927
It depends.

967
00:51:50,267 --> 00:51:52,007
Sometimes the lyrics, sometimes the music.

968
00:51:52,947 --> 00:51:56,347
I think if I'm starting a song very deliberately, I will start with the lyrics.

969
00:51:56,347 --> 00:52:00,407
I'll start with the title and then I'll work on the lyrics and exactly what I want to say

970
00:52:00,407 --> 00:52:01,307
in terms of words.

971
00:52:01,887 --> 00:52:04,967
And then I'll either work with pre-scripts.

972
00:52:04,992 --> 00:52:10,572
musical ideas that I've had or I'll try and formulate then melodies and chords and a kind

973
00:52:10,572 --> 00:52:16,092
of musical vibe to go underneath that but if it's less deliberate and a song just kind of hits me

974
00:52:16,092 --> 00:52:21,312
you know it falls in my lap then that will be when it starts with the music how about you yeah I mean

975
00:52:21,312 --> 00:52:26,472
I'm just gonna add to that and say that Hannah has come up to me before with full like like title

976
00:52:26,472 --> 00:52:31,052
and then like the first few lines and been so excited about that but I'd say like that's the

977
00:52:31,052 --> 00:52:34,992
kind of thing that gets your juices kind of going do you know to me yeah yeah lyrics is definitely

978
00:52:34,992 --> 00:52:39,572
what I care about yeah and you've got like this idea in your head of like the vibe of the song

979
00:52:39,572 --> 00:52:44,292
do you know what I mean yeah I'm the total opposite I never start with lyrics I used to

980
00:52:44,292 --> 00:52:48,432
write a lot of stuff in poetry books and things like that and I would say that I mean I still do

981
00:52:48,432 --> 00:52:54,292
that but I I absolutely do not start with lyrics whatsoever I always start with a base of music

982
00:52:54,292 --> 00:52:59,932
and then I just think like what am I going through at the moment what am I obsessed with what do I

983
00:52:59,932 --> 00:53:04,932
write and that's how I write don't usually try to write about something I always have the music

984
00:53:04,932 --> 00:53:09,092
and then it's whatever I'm like in at the moment or whatever's inspiring me that comes out through

985
00:53:09,092 --> 00:53:13,592
the lyric you know what I mean yeah that's so funny we are the total opposite it's probably

986
00:53:13,592 --> 00:53:17,572
why we work together really well it's like you've got this concept and I'm like I know how that

987
00:53:17,572 --> 00:53:22,772
sounds do you know what I mean but I only have the the musical ideas that come to me you know

988
00:53:22,772 --> 00:53:28,452
I don't really have like a lyric for ages yeah I'm gonna have one line but it's it's a tuneful

989
00:53:28,452 --> 00:53:35,532
line yeah you always set everything to tunes yeah yeah there you go so there you go it is uh

990
00:53:35,532 --> 00:53:40,432
equally possible to start with either definitely i think seeing as that was quite a short answer

991
00:53:40,432 --> 00:53:45,232
we could probably answer another one of purple heart mercy's question yeah it's related so the

992
00:53:45,232 --> 00:53:56,648
next question is what does help you to create always new melodies um okay so for me listening to other people songs you know like I kind of a musical magpie

993
00:53:56,968 --> 00:53:58,468
Like I like to listen to stuff

994
00:53:58,468 --> 00:53:59,708
and then when I hear something cool,

995
00:53:59,828 --> 00:54:02,488
I'll collect that and it might be something random

996
00:54:02,488 --> 00:54:04,268
that I've heard when I'm out in a pub.

997
00:54:04,588 --> 00:54:05,008
Jonas Brothers.

998
00:54:06,148 --> 00:54:06,408
Yeah.

999
00:54:06,928 --> 00:54:07,568
How about you?

1000
00:54:07,828 --> 00:54:08,988
Yeah, I am the same.

1001
00:54:09,168 --> 00:54:10,908
I think there are no new melodies

1002
00:54:10,908 --> 00:54:13,188
and I think you're always pinching someone's melody

1003
00:54:13,188 --> 00:54:13,868
that's in your head.

1004
00:54:14,048 --> 00:54:15,008
Even if you've written it,

1005
00:54:15,008 --> 00:54:18,168
it's like already been there and it's just coming out of you.

1006
00:54:18,328 --> 00:54:18,608
Yeah.

1007
00:54:18,768 --> 00:54:19,148
Do you know what I mean?

1008
00:54:19,188 --> 00:54:19,448
Yeah.

1009
00:54:19,928 --> 00:54:21,728
I don't think I've ever written an original melody.

1010
00:54:22,348 --> 00:54:22,628
No.

1011
00:54:23,448 --> 00:54:24,428
Well, I don't know.

1012
00:54:24,468 --> 00:54:25,428
It's hard to know, isn't it?

1013
00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:28,068
Because sometimes you'll like wake up with a song in your head

1014
00:54:28,068 --> 00:54:29,108
or a melody in your head.

1015
00:54:29,668 --> 00:54:31,808
But often if you're laboring over a song,

1016
00:54:32,108 --> 00:54:35,128
I think you will be inspired by other music.

1017
00:54:35,608 --> 00:54:35,908
Yes.

1018
00:54:36,348 --> 00:54:36,968
Yes, definitely.

1019
00:54:37,528 --> 00:54:40,588
I mean, I, okay, I've got a good answer for this as well.

1020
00:54:40,588 --> 00:54:43,088
So I listen to a lot of really weird world music

1021
00:54:43,088 --> 00:54:48,928
and that's where I pinch a lot of melodies from and that's how I think they keep fresh for me like

1022
00:54:48,928 --> 00:54:53,748
yeah I would listen to like a lot of klezma or sometimes like some really intense like

1023
00:54:53,748 --> 00:54:58,348
really fast Indian music and find those melodies really pleasing because I'm quite hyperactive

1024
00:54:58,348 --> 00:55:03,368
and then they actually end up working into songs that really drive the rest of the band mad.

1025
00:55:03,808 --> 00:55:09,248
That's a really good point actually because I listen to a lot of really savage dance workout

1026
00:55:09,248 --> 00:55:14,928
music when I'm doing workouts and stuff but then I will find like bits of those like they're mostly

1027
00:55:14,928 --> 00:55:19,708
horrific but I will always find something I like and stuff so I'll always find bits of those tunes

1028
00:55:19,708 --> 00:55:24,648
and because the tunes are so different from the genre of music I'm writing I can easily take

1029
00:55:24,648 --> 00:55:30,408
bits and like not feel like I'm stealing them or not feel like I'm going to do something that's

1030
00:55:30,408 --> 00:55:45,485
already been done right totally yeah and I think this actually brings me to a really good point which is I had a um an ex who did like a lot of soundalikes for film and tv and like ad music stuff like that and he used

1031
00:55:45,485 --> 00:55:50,725
to have like these actual formulas for making music so like you'd take the song you were trying

1032
00:55:50,725 --> 00:55:55,885
to sound like and you'd like slow the bpm or you'd change the key or you'd start the riff on a

1033
00:55:55,885 --> 00:56:00,445
different beat of the bar you know and and loads of little tips like that so I think if you're

1034
00:56:00,445 --> 00:56:05,885
really really struggling maybe that's a good place to start is like taking a song or a riff you like

1035
00:56:05,885 --> 00:56:11,325
or a melody you like and maybe changing that up a bit try changing the speed or the key or like

1036
00:56:11,325 --> 00:56:17,025
try reversing it try changing the scale a bit you know or try I don't know holding one of the notes

1037
00:56:17,025 --> 00:56:21,985
or something like that so I think you can definitely like take kind of preformed material

1038
00:56:21,985 --> 00:56:25,565
and have a play around with it absolutely and putting it on a bed of something that doesn't

1039
00:56:25,565 --> 00:56:30,405
normally have happen which is how you get like hannah parana melodies you know which might be

1040
00:56:30,405 --> 00:56:35,965
like pop or dance but actually set to really heavy music and then you're like this is really different

1041
00:56:35,965 --> 00:56:39,805
because you've combined the two i would say classical music's an amazing place to pinch

1042
00:56:39,805 --> 00:56:44,465
melodies from just listen to some great i mean muse did it all the time you probably do a lot

1043
00:56:44,465 --> 00:56:48,925
of chord sequences loads of chord sequences yeah music but melodies as well there's an entire

1044
00:56:48,925 --> 00:56:54,925
album or ep called alkanost which was all taken from a rack man enough piece and i just taken

1045
00:56:54,925 --> 00:56:56,925
parts of it and reassembled them or reversed them.

1046
00:56:57,045 --> 00:57:01,205
Eric Sarty famously used to reflect scores and mirrors and write back what he saw.

1047
00:57:02,145 --> 00:57:02,965
I didn't know that.

1048
00:57:03,125 --> 00:57:04,345
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1049
00:57:04,465 --> 00:57:05,465
He was a crazy guy.

1050
00:57:05,665 --> 00:57:06,205
That's very cool.

1051
00:57:06,205 --> 00:57:12,445
And then finally, I would say, try pinching, or not pinching, but just Google some really

1052
00:57:12,445 --> 00:57:13,345
obscure scales.

1053
00:57:13,825 --> 00:57:16,105
So I'd say there's thousands of scales out there.

1054
00:57:16,185 --> 00:57:17,805
There's the Hungarian minor.

1055
00:57:18,265 --> 00:57:31,861
There the whole half There the whole turn scale There is the Prometheus But yeah there loads of like really mad scales out there and i think you could even just take four notes from a scale and base a melody around that you know roll a dice see what numbers you get write a melody using that

1056
00:57:31,861 --> 00:57:36,141
write out your name and take the letters that are in the music in so many so many ways you can just

1057
00:57:36,141 --> 00:57:41,241
kind of randomize it and then try like that we've made audio sigils haven't yeah as well i mean like

1058
00:57:41,241 --> 00:57:47,201
shushka kovic used to sign his music with his own audio sigil which was yeah like four nights and i

1059
00:57:47,201 --> 00:57:51,221
I think Bach had something as well, which was B-A-C-A or something.

1060
00:57:51,761 --> 00:57:53,901
So yeah, don't quote me on that.

1061
00:57:54,021 --> 00:57:55,681
But yeah, composers have done that.

1062
00:57:56,141 --> 00:57:58,081
They've literally done audio sigils.

1063
00:57:58,281 --> 00:57:59,201
Yeah, really, really cool.

1064
00:57:59,261 --> 00:57:59,881
I love doing that.

1065
00:58:00,301 --> 00:58:02,401
And yeah, I think the more geeky you get with it, the better.

1066
00:58:02,521 --> 00:58:04,241
You don't have to just let them come to you.

1067
00:58:04,301 --> 00:58:06,601
You can sort of just try something out.

1068
00:58:06,941 --> 00:58:11,641
There's loads of connections between music and the planets and physics

1069
00:58:11,641 --> 00:58:13,921
and balance and colors and everything.

1070
00:58:13,921 --> 00:58:16,581
They seem to all follow the same kind of pattern.

1071
00:58:16,581 --> 00:58:21,581
I mean to a song based on the Fibonacci sequence and stuff so there's loads of things that you can

1072
00:58:21,581 --> 00:58:27,241
look to for inspiration and I think the more you look the more melodies will come um but yeah I'd

1073
00:58:27,241 --> 00:58:33,161
certainly recommend maybe just start by expanding your listening yeah and something that works for

1074
00:58:33,161 --> 00:58:39,121
me is if I can't think of a melody and I've got like a line say I start with a rhythm and if I've

1075
00:58:39,121 --> 00:58:44,741
got the rhythm then the melody comes I often find yeah do you rap it first yeah yeah like

1076
00:58:44,741 --> 00:58:47,101
the sick spreadsheet

1077
00:58:47,101 --> 00:58:49,001
I love spreadsheets

1078
00:58:49,001 --> 00:58:49,761
they're so sick

1079
00:58:49,761 --> 00:58:52,461
did you know we're all musicians

1080
00:58:52,461 --> 00:58:54,661
great questions thank you so much

1081
00:58:54,661 --> 00:58:56,661
purple heart emoji we hope that helped

1082
00:58:56,661 --> 00:58:59,181
see you next time for our next therapy session

1083
00:58:59,181 --> 00:58:59,921
bye

1084
00:58:59,921 --> 00:59:04,621
right

1085
00:59:04,621 --> 00:59:05,561
on that note

1086
00:59:05,561 --> 00:59:06,801
we'll see you next time

1087
00:59:06,801 --> 00:59:07,821
bye