Welcome in to This Week in Bitcoin, episode 68.
My name is Chris, chrislas.com, jupiterbroadcasting.com.
One of the projects that's been coming up on the show a lot is AlbiHub.
You'll hear the name Albi and the Albi extension tossed around.
So this week, I wanted to create an episode that is dedicated to this topic.
Actually, really, I'm just super passionate about this topic.
And I think it should be approachable to everyone.
So hopefully, even if you're brand new to AlbiHub and brand new to Lightning,
or if you're an existing power user, you'll find this informative.
So let me know how I did with a boost.
And if you are inspired to set up AlbiHub after this episode, you got to let me know too.
Boris, welcome to the show.
And I was going to introduce you as the co-founder of Albi,
but I'm not actually quite sure if that's the correct title or introduction for you.
Yeah, thanks for having me, Chris.
Co-founder is right.
That's true.
Even though now we have a lot of people working at Albi and also a big community.
But me and two others, Michael, Bumi on the internet and Rene basically initiated the project Albi.
And you've been, before Albi, were you just passionate about the Lightning Network in general?
Yes, that basically sums it up.
And also that's how I got to Albi.
I was working for a small venture capital fund that primarily invested in Bitcoin Lightning companies.
did some research for them about interesting projects in the space.
And that's how I also came across Albi back then
when it was still a pure open source project, basically.
So there's...
Yeah, it's for me, it's all about like,
how can we use Bitcoin and the Lightning network
is a great technology for Bitcoin payments.
I feel like one of the ways we see that with Lightning in general
is both with Nostra Zaps and Podcast Boost,
really kind of, to me, show where the future of Lightning Network could go.
Do you think there's some real potential there?
I mean, the Zaps alone seem like they have been...
Albi has really moved quick to support that,
to be a real key part of that Nostra ecosystem.
And I think Zaps are a huge part of it.
Yes, I think about Zaps, what makes it so interesting,
it's really like is that it cannot be done easily with other technologies that we know
especially not on other like closed social media platforms so steps are basically
like small payments between users of of nostril applications which are mostly today like yeah
typical social media applications where you have profile where you have news feeds you can post
stuff and now you can also set someone meaning you can pay someone and the great thing about
about these saps is that people do not need to be all in one or all in the same app they can be on
on different apps and saps are basically this this the standard across all these social media apps
on the nostril protocol to pay each other right and and podcasting is similar you have a very
diverse ecosystem of applications, but one common language when it comes to payments,
which is Bitcoin and the Lightning Network. And that's why both are great use cases for Bitcoin.
And they are not replicable or hardly replicable with fiat payments.
I'm glad you brought up podcasting because I recently was doing some experimenting with the
show and enabled LN address. So I put an LN address in my value split instead of my note address.
And I think this is probably the way things are going to go just because LN address has such
universal support amongst the Lightning ecosystem. However, what I discovered is as a podcasting
ecosystem, we haven't really come to agreements on how to handle this. And so I was able to receive
sats to my Albi hub, but I did not receive any of the metadata, like the name or the message
from what I can tell. And so it's like it partially works, which is a huge step.
But I don't think as a community, we found a consensus on how to handle the metadata aspect
since LN address itself doesn't handle that like Keysend did. I know this is pretty abstract,
but just kind of getting into use cases here. Do you have thoughts about maybe how Albi could help
the community come to a standard or consensus?
Or do you even have a personal preference of what that might be?
No, I think at Albi, we do not have a personal preference.
So we want to enable people to send and receive payments
and also cater for podcasters.
So that's why, for example, we particularly implemented Keysend Payments
because that was the initial use case.
Keysend came along before Zaps, right?
So not to interrupt, sorry, but I think one of the great things about Zapps and Keysend that they share is a listener or a user can send a Zapp or a Keysend payment without the receiver having to generate an invoice, which is really powerful.
Yeah.
So actually, just so regarding Zapps, Zapps are also pure like payments based on the Lightning address.
So it's moritz.getalbi.com.
That's a Lightning address.
every getalbi.com user gets such an albi lightning address for free and then i can pay to you just to
for example chris at getalbi.com and seps work mostly based on these these lightning addresses
whereas these value for value podcast payments started working or were like were specified
around a key sent payment basically where you do not need to create an invoice and the idea was
really to make sure to have this high throughput, low latency payments, because you just have
one payment push out to the receiver through this key send payment, and you do not need to request
something like a lightning invoice beforehand, which might cause some latency, especially
when you do like these per second payments or per minute payments. I think that's why we settled
or the podcasting 2.0 community back then settled on keys and payment.
And now we see a little bit that the adoption from wallets is not that big
of these keys and payments.
And now the argumentation is a little bit okay because wallets do not support it.
We have not so many users basically sending payments
because they can only use a smaller number of these wallets.
And that's why now there's some sort of a movement to shift to wallets that support Lightning addresses.
That's definitely more wallets.
Albi also does that.
But then this, again, comes with downsides.
And I think the community has not yet or hasn't thought through, okay, how can we keep all the benefits that we have specified with KeySend payments
and now bring them over to these lightning address payments.
And I'm also a little bit afraid that like it also,
a lot of podcasters are a little bit like lost out,
a bit confused about the differences and such.
So maybe like, yeah,
I think there needs to be some more communication around that
and like, yeah, agreement on how to move forward.
Yeah.
Although to your point,
Zaps have solved this while still using Lightning addresses. And one has to wonder if podcasting 2.0
were to start today, would they just use Zaps? Because I don't think LN address was really a
thing when podcasting 2.0 started out. Zaps weren't a thing. And Noster did not exist when
podcasting 2.0 started. And there is a certain network effect that Noster and Zaps create.
And it would maybe just behoove podcasting 2.0 to just ride that wave. And I know initially there
was resistance to that. But with the sort of collective acknowledgement now that Keysend is
not really gaining much adoption outside of a few venerable podcasting 2.0 apps,
I think there might be wider discussion for using something more like Zaps. And for the end user,
in a podcasting 2.0 app, they wouldn't have to be a Nostre user. They wouldn't have to be aware
that the backend is using Nostre to relay metadata. And then the podcasting community
could just take advantage of the work being done on Noster for Zaps
and ride that wave as it evolves.
Does that seem reasonable to you?
That's definitely one possible path.
I think the risk with this approach is that it's quite a change
to the overall specification.
And at Ivy, we are also really heavily building on open standards
and also initiated standards or initiated, let's say,
protocols that became standards.
And one learning there is like keeping these protocol
specification as small as possible The smaller they are the more likely they are adopted that a good point and now if now if if you try to yeah fit everything in into that it tricky but i think it doable
definitely i think but it's just like there needs to be more communication someone needs to
take the lead there and moderate through the changes and educate people honestly
or I think it's one of these things where most developers,
they just want a really simple HTTPS API they can call and write to.
And if they can get that and there's some clear documentation on it,
they'll implement it in their app, right?
But much beyond that, and it's a pretty big ask.
So let's shift gears and talk about AlbiHub
because this is just to set the context.
I've been following open source and free software on a daily basis
for 22, 23, 24 years now.
And in my head, I have a collection
of really amazing free software projects
that I just can't believe they're open source.
And AlbiHub has now joined this list.
I mean, it's really remarkable
what AlbiHub offers and is capable of
and can be just ran for free
on people's own infrastructure.
Of course, you also have the AlbiHub cloud,
which we can talk about in a little bit.
But I thought maybe let's step back
because I've really only talked about AlbiHub once in depth on the show
when it first came out.
So could you give me just the elevator pitch for the listeners that are not familiar?
What is AlbiHub?
Yeah, sure.
So, yeah, in short, AlbiHub is your easy-to-use, self-custodial Bitcoin Lightning wallet.
So you are in control of your keys,
and you can send Bitcoin payments across the globe, basically.
And it's, I mean, and for the audience that, you know, is aware of Lightning,
It's also a very easy-to-use Lightning node, and you can participate in the Lightning network, and they give you tools to manage your channels and your identity in the Lightning ecosystem.
I mean, it takes something that when I first started playing around with Lightning a few years ago, it took me four or five days to get my Lightning node actually sending and receiving transactions.
And AlbiHub kind of compresses that down into like 25 minutes.
it's really remarkable.
And just recently, 1.18.5 shipped.
And I know this is packed with features in here,
but it's something really special
because there's a few features in here
that are huge for my workflow.
And one of them is the improvements
that you have been consistently making with subwallets.
Can you talk a little bit about what's new with subwallets?
And maybe even we should start with what they are.
Yeah.
Yeah. So that's actually also one feature that we built for the podcasting use case in mind,
because at least when we started with Albi Hub, or we just also released it one year ago. So it's
actually not that old, but I think we made huge progress until today. But yeah, back then it was
not like super, super straightforward. You need to be a little bit interested in Lightning to
understand the details and one big task is always there like open a payment channel and over time
we automated that but yeah it still might not be very intuitive for some of for some of the users
so the idea then was okay why can't you not share your alb hub so you are maybe more like experienced
lightning user experience podcaster in in the value for value space with sub wallets you can
basically share your existing albi hub with a newcomer in the space and basically onboard them
to value for value at zero cost and like basically instantly and they don't need to know any details
about lightning but when they want to run their own albi hub in the future they can do that anytime
and migrate over.
But that's really one use case.
So it's basically sharing with family, friends,
and other like colleagues your Albi hub.
And with these, you get a Lightning address
and the keys and credentials that you can put
in the RSS feed.
So you can also receive value for value payments
with subwallets.
So far, we've seen that's the major use case.
Another use case is, for example,
when you have a business
and you want to separate
incoming funds a bit better
for different purposes like
private, you want to have a private wallet,
you want to have a business wallet,
then you can also use the sub wallets
for example. That's
an example we use here at Jupiter Broadcasting
is exactly that kind
of separation for the business but then
also the co-hosts that
they love the idea of the boost
and totally in on value for value
but do not have the time, capacity, or means to run their own Lightning node, sub-wallet.
Boom.
Works great for that.
Also kids, you know, spouses that need to participate in Lightning but don't want to
manage a set, you don't want to run a second node for them.
And the great thing is, you know, I have the channels, I manage the liquidity, and they
just get to take advantage of it.
They don't have to worry about any of that.
So that's fantastic.
Something that's also recently landed that I am really excited about, and I'm wondering
if you can speak to it, is there's now some channel rebalancing capabilities in there.
I think it's in beta.
There's a few other things now like swapping.
There's more features that are kind of coming to managing the liquidity of the node.
Right.
Yeah.
So talking about swaps, because I'm personally very excited about them.
I think that's also how we approach it.
It's quite innovative in the space because so far there were swap servers, but there
where always like you have to go on a website and use this website.
And it feels always a little bit like disconnected.
And now you have these swaps directly within AlbiHub.
And it feels like they're super smooth when you do these swaps.
And what you basically do is you send between an on-chain wallet
and your Lightning spending balance and back and forth.
That's called a swap, right?
And what we did, basically two things is we added them directly into AlbiHub so you don't have to leave.
Any application can stay there and you can do one-time swaps back and forth.
And that's interesting.
For example, if you want to top up your spending balance, if you want to spend more or if you want to empty your existing lightning channel,
this is necessary often when you have a lot of payments incoming.
So if you're a successful value for value podcaster, you receive a lot of payment just in one direction, right, from your audience.
And at some point, the payment channel is full.
And instead of opening a new payment channel, you can just swap all funds into your on-chain, basically savings balance and keep the stats there.
But keep also receiving from people over the Lightning Network.
You can do that now once with one-time swaps, but we also added this feature of auto swaps.
So you can define a threshold that say, okay, once I receive $1,000 in Bitcoin, please send them to my Bitcoin on-chain wallet.
This can be in AlbiHub, but this can also be, for example, your cold storage, ultra secure Bitcoin hardware wallet.
So it's totally up to the user where they want to receive these sets.
So that's the swapping feature.
And I think that's a great tool, especially for podcasters that have one-way payments often.
Yes.
I remember when I was one of the early beta testers and I was like, I really want this feature.
And I remember being told, it'll happen, it'll happen.
So it's really great to see it land.
And something else that I think you guys are a little early on, and I hope to see wider adoption, especially in the podcasting 2.0 community, is Bolt 12.
Where does this play a role, and what is this going to bring AlbiHub users?
So we approach features basically really from the use case.
Of course, we are like technology enthusiasts.
That's why we are Bitcoin, right?
But regarding Bolt 12, we saw some users using a special application out there, which is Bitcoin mining service.
And there are customers there to receive these mining rewards.
They need to run a Bolt 12 enabled wallet.
And that's why we added this feature to AlbiHub.
And yeah, it's basically an improved Bolt 11 standard.
and Bolt 11 is the typical Lightning address
that we see day in, day out, basically, today.
So it allows for more privacy
and comes with additional features
which are really interesting.
And with the implementation of Bolt 12,
we basically also did the first step
into this direction, too.
That's exciting.
I'll also note that Bolt 12 natively supports
including a message with a payment.
Interesting, it has support for metadata.
So yeah, could become another podcasting 2.0 spec in the future.
Perhaps.
Okay, so one last thing about AlbiHub, and of course you could bring up anything,
but one of the things I've been enjoying is sort of consistent updates
to what you're calling the App Store,
and it for me kind of the way to discover apps in the Lightning ecosystem Where do you see this app store going over the future of AlbiHub Yeah so there are actually quite some interesting possibilities where we can develop it too
And it would be interesting also to learn a little bit from our users what they think about it
and if they see any problems that we can solve for them.
So in every AlbiHub, there's an app store.
and these apps work particularly well with an Albi Hub
because you can directly connect them to your hub.
So this means you can then pay within these apps
and you do not have to open the Albi Browser Extension
or the Albi Hub itself.
You enjoy native payments,
but directly out of your actual wallet
because you connected it.
So you will find then apps like the Browser Extension
in this app store, the Albi Go mobile wallet
you find in these app stores.
And a bunch of other very, very interesting ones, such as SEP Planner, for example, that lets you schedule recurring payment to your favorite creator.
So let's say, okay, I love Chris Podcast so much.
I want to send him once a week 5,000 sats, for example.
Then I can do that with SEP Planner, for example.
So that's a cool app.
And there are a bunch of other apps.
And what we, for example, recently added our apps, these AI coding agents from Goose and Claude.
So you can also now connect your Albi Hub wallet to an AI agent.
And there will probably be a bunch of others like ChatGPT in the future.
And yeah, interact with your wallet in a natural language.
And yeah, that's also a little bit okay.
we test things there see how users adopt it do we really like do we hit an interesting use case
is it sticky and and that's how we yeah want to make basically lightning payments bitcoin payments
more interesting and see if we can help solve a problem for our users by yeah shipping new apps
within this app store sure what i what i think is also maybe missed for people that aren't albi
Hub users is it's also a Lightning identity management system. So when I connect to these
applications, I can manage my identity essentially, which is really powerful because it means one
online public key identity that goes across applications and then my self-hosted wallet
can also be brought across those applications. I have one other thing on AlbiHub I want to get to
before we kind of expand out. And that is I saw kind of a tease in there about a virtual bank
account feature coming to albihub what is going on here yes that's true so we are currently
researching how we can basically improve the or make it more seamless going from fiat money to
bitcoin and and back and because we still see when we talk to our users that's often a problem that's
not so straightforward to get their first bitcoin get them into a wallet and then send them out but
also vice versa if you receive a lot of bitcoin what do you do with that me personally as a
bitcoiner there's plenty to do but you also often have cost denominated in us dollar so you want to
basically convert them and i'm adding a fiat account to to to albi or a us dollar account
can help because then you don't need to use any other application you can do that all directly
within albi hub that's the idea here and there we are basically researching different use cases like
there's a bunch of things that can enable that like exchanges bill payments and such
which is super interesting oh no kidding yeah no kidding oh man that is really interesting
so i want to talk just for a moment about well i guess i have a follow-up question to that
is there a rough timeline on that sounds like it's kind of research phase right now
there is no no no timeline so it is high priority on our roadmap okay um and we hope that we can
show already something within the next month but it's not not so concrete yet okay so let's talk
about albi go albi go is a mobile application that is really easy to connect to your albi hub
and I feel like it is an essential companion
when you're using the sub-wallets feature.
And I wonder if you could just tell us a little bit
about where AlbiGo is headed.
Is it kind of feature complete in your eyes
or are there other directions
or other things you're considering for future features?
So for now, actually, I think AlbiGo reached a quite good state.
So it's stable, it's super easy to use,
and that's what we wanted.
sort of completes a little bit also the albi product ecosystem right so we have the albi hub
which is your self-custodial lightning wallet which is sort of in the center we have the browser
extension for all things when you use the internet and the browser you can do you can connect the
browser extension and pay then directly in the browser and if you are on the go outside also and
want to use bitcoin payments then you have albi go which is also then powered by your albi hub
and with that we are actually quite well i think set up and and we also want particularly say here
okay let's keep things that are a bit more complicated within albihub and but payments
need to be seamless so payments need to be quick simple and that's why you see also mainly two big
buttons a big receive and a big send button in albigo and and that's mostly it right i think it's
Brilliant. That's brilliant.
Yeah. And for now, I think we're also quite good.
We have, but still quite some ideas how we can expand that,
but it's not so much of a priority right now.
You know, when I look at AlbiGo, what I think is fantastic
is that as far as a mobile app,
it's not doing the heavy lift of the Lightning transactions.
It's communicating with your AlbiHub,
and your AlbiHub is doing all of that lift.
So it means the mobile app doesn't say,
there's other great apps out there that do mobile Lightning,
but they do a lot of the implementation in the app,
and that makes them very complicated and very heavy.
Where AlbiGo is you just want to do Lightning payments,
and you want to take advantage of the balance on your AlbiHub and its channels.
And it also means that people that are not interested in learning Lightning
can just use AlbiGo with their sub-wallet.
But when you think about it, it's taking advantage of the AlbiHub,
its liquidity, its identity.
That itself is almost a platform you could build other mobile apps on
do other features. Is there any talk about other future apps from Albi beyond JustGo that would
be for mobile devices specifically? Yeah, maybe not really for, or could also be for mobile devices,
who knows. But like one product that we launched recently, a bit more, still a bit more developer
focused is a own MCP server. Yeah. That allows you basically to connect your Albi hub to AI
agents and to all ai agents basically out there that support this this model context protocol
basically which is sort of like the usbc if you want that so for for apis to talk with agents
basically and now you can connect that with an agent so you have on and that's again like
the similar idea that we have with the browser extension or with albgo so you have basically
you can see them as a remote control for an albi hub the browser extension for the browser albi go
if you're out or you want to pay out of your pocket and for if you use chat gpt and such and
you want to send a payment right from there then you can use the albi bitcoin payments mcp server
so that's again a way where we can build products where the new product itself is not so complicated
because we can basically outsource that
or keep that outsourced to Albi Hub,
but we can then iterate quickly
and make them better for our users.
So Moritz, I've noticed,
and I wonder if you agree with this first statement,
it seems like there's been waves of use cases
that have brought batches of new users to Lightning.
Podcasting, 2.0 has done that.
Obviously, Noster has.
There's been these moments where new users show up
and they need these support and services.
Do you kind of agree that it seems like adoption sort of comes in waves like that?
Or do you see something else?
Do you see just a continuous trickle?
There is definitely continuous trickle.
Yeah, because that comes from, let's say, very traditional use cases like commerce, peer-to-peer payments or remittance payments.
So these are things that have been there since the internet.
and now just people see okay um using bitcoin lightning payments actually i can save a lot of
costs comparing to to western union so these are use cases that are the market is growing every year
interesting and but then there are these let's say like sort of like unique use cases that you
actually mentioned like podcasting, for example, steps that haven't been there before, but now
are sort of enabled by this technology together with some leaders in the space that come together
and define a new standard build great product out of it So I think it a little bit both basically Do you suspect or hope or are you seeing that AI and AI agents could be another wave of use cases for Lightning I guess I not
as convinced, especially with the rise of stablecoins in the US. I think they're going to go
more in that direction for AI payments and things like that than they will Lightning. Do you disagree
with that?
No, not necessarily.
I think, but I think
we will see
quicker and better adoption of
agents using Bitcoin payments than we see
with humans, I think.
Because the environment
is more
made for that, right? So it's
purely digital.
It's also more
anonymous, so you don't know
each other. There's less trust
involved, so you actually want to
do often more like a micropayment first to test the service from an agent you don't know where
this agent is located so you want to have sort of sort of meta payment payment technology with
bitcoin and also i think what often stops maybe the the adoption today is that so humans think
are very rational when it comes to payments and there might also be this micropayment bias where
I say, okay, I don't want to, I again have to think about the payments, so I better don't pay.
I think agents are not thinking, are very rational.
So they need a service, they pay for it.
So that's why I think we see a better adoption there in the agent space compared to the, like, yeah, from humans.
But what exactly, we have to find out, yeah.
And that's also where we do a lot of research at Albi.
build showcases and see what sticks,
where do we find something that we,
like a problem that we can actually solve for users.
And that's very much on our to-do list
also the next month and yeah, to be found out.
So that's why I'm super curious
if anybody has an idea there,
what we can build.
Let's do that together.
We're constantly looking for partners
also to create some showcases
and see how things work.
Sure.
It seems to me that Lightning does have a payments advantage in this space
in the sense that, like you said,
you could do very safe sort of semi-anonymous transactions
or you could tie it to an identity that isn't arduous in KYC like NosterPub.
There is, I think, something more to,
even if it's just a technology implementation on the back end,
there's something more to Lightning payments tied to NosterPub identities.
because it's not mandatory, but you could do it.
And so you could have something that's tied to you,
or you could have something that's semi-anonymous.
And just that space in general, Moritz, I feel like has a lot of potential,
is NPUBs connected to payments.
I mean, you think about it in just the podcasting space,
with Fountain and their implementation,
when somebody boosts the show who's a Fountain user,
that's tied to a Nostra identity,
and now I'm starting to follow more people on Nostra who boost the show.
Yeah, I think Fountain did a great job there,
combining the benefits of Noster with Lightning.
I think it's a great tool also for audience discovery.
Good job what they've done there.
So as we wrap up, I noticed because unfortunately,
I think I double booked you and made you leave a little early,
but every second Thursday, there is an Albi community call.
What's going on here and how do people participate?
It's super easy to participate actually.
So you find the link on, I think it's karl.com slash getalbi.
And there you find different calls.
And one of them is the community call.
It happens, as you say, every second Thursday at 3 p.m. UTC.
Yeah.
And the idea is that we invite interesting projects from the ecosystem.
Obviously, they mostly use Bitcoin Lightning payments.
And they pitch ideas.
They pitch projects or they even pitch their companies,
whatever they're working on.
And they get feedback.
They get feedback from the audience that also participates in the call.
And also the audience can ask questions, can learn from builders, can learn from founders.
So there is quite some knowledge exchange.
And it's always super, super interesting to get to know interesting projects.
And really, everybody is invited and can join.
Yeah, I saw it's often also co-streamed on zap.stream, which is neat.
Right.
So you can participate that way.
Yeah, for example, Sam from Truefans has been there one or two times presenting updates of their platform.
So really, the scope is quite open and you can talk about whatever you want.
And yeah, people get feedback.
People can ask questions.
Yeah, and I saw a couple of great apps demoed today
that work with AlbiHub.
That was fun.
Yeah, I think it's super important to come together
and work also together, right,
to make things, like, especially to work in the open,
but really make things product-grade
so that people can use it on a daily basis,
and not only today, but also in one year or in three years.
Yeah.
Yeah, and we didn't talk much about the AlbiHub Cloud product, but I've been using that since before it launched.
And it's also a terrific way to use AlbiHub.
And it makes it just, for me as a business, really simple to just have that, run that, and be able to trust that.
So AlbiHub Cloud's been really fantastic too.
And like what I said earlier, this is on my list of some of the projects I'm the most grateful and impressed that it's free
and that I can just go download this thing and run it.
It's like, how does this even work?
So I'm just really grateful for everything you guys have done
for the Lightning ecosystem, the Nostra ecosystem,
and obviously the podcasting 2.0 ecosystem.
So please, please pass that on to the team
and let them know that a lot of gratitude.
Thanks for using I'll Be Up, Chris.
That's amazing.
Now, is there anything we should have touched on
before I hang up on you?
Because I know there's a million things going on.
Yeah, right there.
True, there are a lot of things going on.
know i'm like i've never been so excited uh on what like what what we are building at albi then
like this time i think in the next six months we see quite some interesting additions maybe also
major major changes again to albi up but definitely to to the positive better ux side of things so we
are cooking quite some some some exciting stuff there but then now it's the perfect also time to
get started, get familiar with these products. A lot to discover there.
Indeed. Indeed. Moritz, thank you so much for joining me and for all the details. I appreciate
your time. I believe that marks the first interview on This Week in Bitcoin. I'm not 100%
sure because I do a million podcasts, but I'm pretty sure. So this is sort of a special episode,
an out-of-cycle episode of This Week in Bitcoin.
If you'd like to hear more of those,
well, I'd like to hear your opinion on that.
This is typically an all-news podcast,
but Albie has been making a lot of news recently.
I thought, why not go to the source?
So, thank you so much for listening.
You can find some links to some of the things
we talked about today at thisweekinbitcoin.show.
Go look for episode 68.
And I will admit, this episode,
I try to focus all on signal
and not get distracted by emotions,
but I'm just too damn excited about the future
of Lightning, even Noster, and of course AlbiHub, and where podcasting 2.0 goes as the technology
or the backend technology or the protocol, I'm not really even sure what to call it,
that enables boost continues to evolve too. There's a lot, and we're going to be right here
at the edge, on the frontier, as they say, following all of that. If you enjoyed this,
let me know with a boost, or if you didn't, you could also vote that way, at least send a little
sugar with that medicine. All right, back to the regular cycle. You should see another episode soon.
So thank you so much for listening to this week's episode, or I guess, sub-week, mid-week episode?
I don't know what to call it. I'll see you back here next time.
Thank you.