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She'll be on the interstate, till sometime late tomorrow

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And all she's left behind

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Is their life there in the pines

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And took the pieces of a broken heart

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To try and build a better life

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And all the words are left unsaved

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And all the many miles ahead

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On to my way far away

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She'll find a place to pray

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And ask the Lord for strength from up on high

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He's headed for tomorrow

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In that beat up Colorado

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She'll find her way to finally say goodbye

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Standing there at night

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Lost in the marfa lights

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Tequila in the evening

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Alone in Valentine

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A movie at the starlight

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A drive down River Road

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The Eagle's Desperado

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Is playing on the radio

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And all the words left unsaid

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And all the many miles ahead

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While on some highway far away

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She'll find a place to pray

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And ask the Lord for strength from up on high

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He's heading for tomorrow

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In that beat-up Silverado

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She'll find her way

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To finally say goodbye

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Those ashes in her hand

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On the banks of the Rio Grande

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A warm Texas wind

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To take him home again

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Across that great divide

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She says her last goodbyes

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Her hands on the wheel

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With tears in her eyes

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In his beat-up Silverado

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Through Southern Colorado

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I got a scoop now baby, I'm down honey

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I thought we agreed to just be friends

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Your eyes tell me to undress

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I got a scoop now, baby, a hoot now, honey

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I thought we needed to tie loose ends

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But for the right time rest

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Let me get this right

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You're on to me

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You've made up a page

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If we wanted this

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To be a scene

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Baby, you would like me

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I got a school now, baby

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I'm home now, honey

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I thought we agreed to

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Just be friends, yeah

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I sell me two undress

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I gotta scoot now, baby, out now, honey

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I thought we needed two tall loose ends

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But further I'll tell our grand

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If we've watched the fire so casually

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Will the flames be less damaging?

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Logic seems to be a remedy

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It's good crafting, so

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I got a school now, baby

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I'm home now, honey

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I thought we agreed to just be friends.

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Yeah, I sell me two undress.

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I got a school now, baby.

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I thought we needed to tie loose ends.

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But for the right diagram.

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Radio Detox back with another amazing guest.

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This guy, you probably know him and we all love him.

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It's Trey Musgrave, president of the Bitcoin District Initiative.

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Welcome to Radio Detox.

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Thank you, Heather, for having me.

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We have a lot to talk about today, but I want to start with kind of who you are

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and what's your Bitcoin story and your detox off of fiat story.

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Uh, so, well, my name is Trey. I live here in DC. Um, I grew up in Alabama, uh, went to the

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University of Alabama and then, um, uh, you know, I got a job, um, got a job with the federal

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government. Um, and that took me, you know, to a lot of, a lot of cool places. I, I spent some,

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uh, spent some time, spent some time overseas, uh, lived in Germany for a few years. And, uh,

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That's where my sort of Bitcoin journey started.

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I had a friend out there who was like more on the like day trader, like a day trader type.

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And he really wanted me to buy some, I think it was Ripple or XRP or something at the time.

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Like he was badgering me about it.

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So I said, fine, how do I do it?

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And then he sent me this long list of instructions on how to buy it.

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But it wasn't, you know, super easy.

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It wasn't super easy.

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So I had to like sign up for Coinbase.

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He wanted me to buy Ethereum and then I had to withdraw it and then swap it for something.

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It was super complicated.

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So, but I started, I signed up for Coinbase and bought Ethereum.

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Just a couple hundred bucks.

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It wasn't much.

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And then I just forgot about it, right?

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I'm living in Germany.

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I'm traveling all over the place, having a good time.

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And then, yeah, and then just forgot about it.

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And then 2020 came around and moved back to the States.

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Moving to a new apartment here near DC.

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And then I hear something on the news.

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There was a big run up in 2020, 2021.

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I logged back to my Coinbase and saw that like two or $300 turn into three grand.

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So that kind of got me thinking about, you know, what is this thing?

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And then, of course, lockdown during COVID.

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I eventually, after a lot of shit-coining later, I ended up on the What Is Money podcast by Breedlove.

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And that just kind of changed the game.

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And then it just clarified everything for me.

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I had started to get super exhausted at that point.

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Yeah, it was great.

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It just, things started to click then.

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And ever since then, I've been kind of Bitcoin only.

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I think the pandemic got a lot of us into Bitcoin.

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Like for me, it was looking for the escape hatch.

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And I think the lockdown of being stuck at home, whether you're, you know, you're just

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in your house and maybe you're alone or maybe you're not, you're just looking for ways to

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time, a lot of us went, I can look deeper into this Bitcoin thing. So you and you like so bravely

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admit to the shit coining past, which is, I think, very good, because I think there are a lot of

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people in this space that don't want to admit to that. And I think that I personally think we're at

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a point in time where it's, it's, it's okay to admit it. And probably a lot of people are out

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there looking for that information and wondering, you know, do I get into XRP or, you know, whatever

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the hell else is out there right now. I have a friend just told me, she goes, I just, I'm all in

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on XRP. And I'm like, hey, this isn't financial advice, but you gotta, you gotta look into Bitcoin,

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you know, especially, you know, woman to woman. I'm just like, hey, you know, I don't, I don't

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want to like, I don't want to scare people off. Right. I don't want to come on too strong and be

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too hard of a Bitcoin maxi and turn her off. And, but, but I wanted to open the door because, you

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know, if the XRP thing goes south for her and she at least knows that like, oh, Heather's a nice

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Bitcoiner I can talk to her and ask her questions yeah I think it's important for more Bitcoiners

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to share their like shitcoining stories because you know what when we put out there that like hey

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we went through the same narratives and the same things that like that like we listen to all the

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the the influencers and we you know a lot of us watch the same YouTube channels and stuff that

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were like pumping this information out and then like I think I think putting that out there is

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helpful because it's sort of like it solidifies that message that there's Bitcoin and there's

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everything else. And if we know we've gone through everything else, we have that experience to say

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like, hey, we were there. We know how you feel. Yeah, it was like I think I remember just wanting

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to understand it. And I think I started with trading books. Like I think I bought a stack

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of books that were like Rich Dad, Poor Dad, trading books and, you know, just different like finance

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books. And I was like, well, do I look into, you know, crypto or Bitcoin? And what is money had

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come out at some, I can't remember what year that was that 2021, maybe, or maybe it was before that.

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And there was, I actually got into like Max and Stacey back when they were on RT. And so I would,

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I would watch Max and Stacey in the morning. I would watch like the PBD podcast because I was,

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I was doing TV news, right? So I didn't have to be at work until the afternoon. So I would get up

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every morning and I would watch all these Bitcoin podcasts. I was starting, you know, found Robert

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Breedlove, found all of these different, you know, podcasts and kind of found Bitcoin Twitter and

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just started looking at places where people were talking about crypto and kind of the Bitcoin thing

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resonated with me for whatever reason. And I just I wish I could go back and look at how my train of

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thought worked. But I was following some crypto people who were talking about trading. And yeah,

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It was stuff like Polkadot and Ripple.

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It sounded kind of weird to me.

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But then when I started listening to the Bitcoiners, I was like, I think these are my people and not these other Polkadot people.

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To me, I never really got into the crypto stuff to make a quick buck.

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Yeah, sure.

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I got excited about price run ups of some of these tokens.

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But the thing that really appealed to me was all these different use cases that they were trying to solve.

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The idea that you could like decentralize music and decentralize this and that.

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And like, I don't know, like that all kind of sounded cool.

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And if that could catch on, it was like a like that was the thing that drew me to these tokens.

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So like I would I would just study the tokenomics and what developers are involved in this thing.

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And, you know, it's it just it just got so exhausting after a while.

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And then once I don't know.

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And then once I once I land on all like what is money, it just it just brought so much peace.

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That was it. You bring up a good point. And that I think you're unique here because I think most people kind of find what we're doing with music by accident. You know, they maybe find Fountain because, you know, Fountain's a great platform. I'm on Fountain. They're my host.

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you know if you're into bitcoin you know you're probably going to be drawn to fountain you're

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probably in a space that's going to lead you to fountain whether it's nostre bitcoin twitter

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your social network your local bitcoin meetup you're probably going to get to fountain and

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you're going to find some good bitcoin obviously content on fountain and then maybe you discover

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the music too and that you can send a boost or zap in the value verse to music that's you know

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kind of, I don't know if open music is the right way to say it, but, you know, we've been calling

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it everything from V4V to value-verse music, you know, the point being that this is the alternative

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to the Spotify, to the Apple Music, to radio and record labels. You can get completely out of that

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system and get into a place where you're getting peer-to-peer payments in Bitcoin, right? And so,

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like, what I just said, that was a lot, right? That's a lot to explain to, you know, somebody

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happens upon Radio Detox and is like, what is this about?

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She plays music.

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She talks about Bitcoin.

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She talks with Bitcoiners.

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You know, we're highlighting community and culture here.

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And you actually went from decentralization to looking at what it could do for music because there are alternatives out there I mean over the years we seen things come and go and there different apps

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or there's NFTs, or there's Web3, or there's tokens, and there's all these things that,

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you know, that's not what we're doing here with Radio Detox or Fountain or Nostra. We're kind of

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the antithesis of that. But I've never heard somebody say before that they were specifically

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looking for decentralization and kind of found that and went to look for it in music. So I think

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you're kind of like the flip side of what most people do where they just kind of happen upon us

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and they go, oh, that's cool. And then they go, well, how can I get involved? And it's either a

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musician going, hey, I can get on the Fountain app. I can put my music out on RSS or I can put it out

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on Wave Lake and Noster and I can join Noster and I can post my videos. And then they start to go down

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the rabbit hole, but you didn't find this rabbit hole first. You were looking for the solution

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first because you understood the problem first. Right. Yeah, exactly. The altcoin run-up summer

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at the time, it led me to the idea that we could decentralize things. But then I think instead of

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decentralize things, not all the things need their own token because the token is the thing that

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matters, right? How you exchange value is the thing that matters. But ultimately, these tokens

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are highly centralized.

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They're pre, you know, they had the pre-ICO.

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It's just, it just didn't really,

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like the idea was cool,

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but the implementation wasn't great.

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And then, and then you come up with on Bitcoin

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and then it's like, wow, like this is real value.

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What if we just, like,

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what if we just incorporated real value

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that you can zap anyone anywhere in the world

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in a split second into our music?

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Yeah, that's ultimately what made the most sense.

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What drew you in?

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And so let's talk about Bitcoin.

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District because, you know, you were the president of Bitcoin District. And did you Bitcoin District

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Initiative? Yeah, I think it mentally is as a Bitcoin. So Bitcoin District Initiative is the

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nonprofit, correct? Yeah, that's the formal nonprofit entity here. That's very new. Bitcoin

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District is the community of Bitcoiners, the meetup here in D.C. So that's been around

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way before I kind of jumped onto the scene here in D.C. So there's a lot of a lot of really good

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Bitcoiners here sort of pioneered that the creation of that meetup. Shout out to shout out to all those folks that might be listening.

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So very cool. So this is obviously later. Yeah, this is. Oh, we're going to talk to everybody on Radio Detox this year.

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We're just getting started. It's only February. So, OK, so Bitcoin District is the meetup.

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Bitcoin District Initiative is the nonprofit. I kind of want to talk about both.

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You know, meetups being extremely vital. That's how I've met people here in Phoenix.

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I really got into the Noster meetup, which was very small and doesn't even happen anymore because everybody's lives kind of scattered.

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But I came from I moved back here a couple of years ago from Wichita, Kansas, and there was no meetup in Wichita at the time.

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And I thought, I know I'm going to leave Wichita, so I don't want to be the one to start one and then bounce.

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But we really needed one. And now I hear there is one there now, which is great, because I think we really need to meet other people in real life.

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And it's so cool to finally meet other people in real life after you go down the Bitcoin rabbit hole.

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And it's also to like to have a meetup and then to have people come into it who have not met other Bitcoiners before.

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That's a cool feeling as well.

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So how did you get from, I guess, two separate things here.

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How did you get from doing Bitcoin meetups as an attendee to going, OK, we need this Bitcoin district initiative.

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Like we need to do this nonprofit where we help on board people.

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Yeah. Yeah. So the my first, I guess, entry point into the local meetup scene, I think it was I think I went to a pizza day party.

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That was like my very first my very first event, I think.

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So at that point, I had listened to so much of like the What Is Money podcast.

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I started listening to things like TFTC.

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And then, you know, eventually I just said, there's got to be more people here that I can go and hang out with.

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and talked to.

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So did a quick search and found a local event.

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And I think my first Bitcoin meetup event

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with the people that I consider some of my best friends

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here in DC today,

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had Tally Lindbergh had came to DC with her free market kids.

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The game that her and her husband made

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was called the Hoddle Up.

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So they came and did a meetup here

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where we all got together and played that game.

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And that was cool.

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So I got to meet people like Mauricio and Jesse

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and others here.

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And then, you know,

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and then from then on,

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I just kept showing up.

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And then, you know,

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a couple of years later,

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you know, I'm wanting to do more,

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wanting to do more stuff.

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I want to see more people

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come into the fold.

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I think Bitcoin meetups are amazing

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because you get to build

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those relationships

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with other people that,

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you know, like,

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we're also very different thinkers.

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And I think to be able

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to show up to a meetup

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and just connect with people

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on like,

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on some level that you can't really,

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it's really hard to explain when you come to a meetup and,

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and you know that like,

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you know that,

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you know that this group of people is like,

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there's,

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there's some like baseline sort of,

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I don't know how you would explain it,

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but there's some sort of like baseline thing.

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Like we get each other to some extent.

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There's a mindset.

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There's a value share.

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Like we're kind of like,

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we're going in the same direction.

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We,

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we have,

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you know,

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gone down the rabbit hole of study,

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whether it's podcast books,

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both,

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whatever.

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Or we want to find other people who think like us.

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And maybe it's a confirmation bias, but I think it's also it's community building.

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And we're going, OK, once you get the bigger picture of this and realize, OK, we're kind of building a new world.

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We're kind of building an alternate lane to the world that we grew up in.

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And how am I going to do that?

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I'm not going to do that alone.

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You know, I've got to find other people to do that with me.

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And then you find people who aren't consumed by the current thing, as we say, or aren't consumed by reality TV and worried about Ks and all the trappings of normie life, like fiat life, where you work for this big corporation and you're going to work till you retire in your 60s.

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It's a very conventional life.

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And you start to meet, I guess we're kind of radical, right?

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Everybody sold everything.

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I did that once, right, and moved across the country with nine bags and my two cats and, you know, didn't I still don't have that many chairs, Trey.

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I still, you know, like, but we kind of think different where we go, OK, we're willing to kind of disentangle from systems that we're familiar with.

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And it's a willing to like open your mind to a new way of thinking where, you know, we've might have been in like before Bitcoin, we might have, you know, had this very specific worldview or, you know, I know a lot of people who get into Bitcoin and they start to question, you know, the narratives that they sort of have been fed or, you know, whatever propaganda that, you know, was, you know, the algos are kind of thrown at you.

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But then once you find Bitcoin and you question what money is, like the foundation of like the way that every human transacts with each other.

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And that really starts like that's the thing that I needed to talk to other people about.

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And the people who come to meetups aren't all they don't all think the same way.

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I think they have this desire to learn more.

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And that's the kind of commonality.

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But but the people that that I meet often here, like we think very differently.

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but we're also willing to challenge each other

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and call each other out

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when maybe we're leaning into a certain narrative

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because I still feel like we're all very vulnerable

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to all these narratives that get pushed.

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Oh yeah, we're getting bombarded every day.

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Yeah, we're being bombarded all the time.

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So having a good solid group of people

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that get each other on that sort of Bitcoin willingness

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to learn more,

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we can kind of sharpen each other too.

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Yeah, we hold each other accountable.

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You know, it's back to like what I said about the escape hatch is I was I was kind of I was at a point where I was questioning things because it was the pandemic for me.

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Like I'd become interested in Bitcoin in about 2018.

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Didn't understand it.

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Found one coworker who was like, yeah, you know, I bought like a thousand or I made a thousand dollars or whatever.

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And it was like and then I sold it.

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And I was like, OK, so I bought some and I went down 40 percent.

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And then I was bummed and I didn't get it.

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And I didn't know where to turn for info.

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So and then like a couple years later, fast forward to the pandemic, and I'm thinking there's got to be more to life than this.

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I've said that so many times over the course of my life and then, you know, moved on to something better, whether it was leaving a corporate world and becoming an entrepreneur or, you know, in this case, Bitcoin.

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And it was I think there's a fundamental undercurrent that even if we think differently, we all know something's wrong.

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We all know something needs to change and something doesn't feel like it doesn't feel right.

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And it's kind of insulting to our intellect to think, you know, in terms of, oh, the Federal Reserve is going to control everything and save everybody.

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You know, and like that's a whole rabbit hole, right?

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But it's just kind of I think we all kind of started questioning things.

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And that was where 2020 took me.

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It was like I'm going to I'm going to start questioning everything down to why do I live where I live?

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Why do I live in this country?

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You looked into my genealogy and went because I don't think I'm happy here.

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And then like I went down the rabbit hole of like Nomad Capitalist videos.

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Like I would watch that guy every day and go, OK, like where is the escape hatch?

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And, you know, I don't watch Nomad Capitalist anymore, but he's great.

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Don't get me wrong.

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But the escape hatch became OK.

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Bitcoin kind of solves everything no matter where I live, no matter what I do for a living,

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no matter how old I get.

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This this is a sound money.

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And to explain to people that there is a sound money, they're like, what do you mean?

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You know, like normie people.

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So then we that's kind of why we naturally seek out the people who are like, OK, I get it.

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Sound money. And then we have sound music.

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And, you know, that's kind of what we do here at Radio Detox.

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We put it all together where it's it's implementing it into your life.

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And I think meetups are a way to implement Bitcoin into your life.

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And this is also something that you do very well, Trey.

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So we're going to get into this now, what Bitcoin District Initiative does.

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I'm using the word implement.

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You can use your own language, obviously.

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I think that you're going to put this better than me anyway.

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You're working on onboarding merchants.

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Like you're just doing this like volunteer work.

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Yeah, I mean, that's like one of our big objectives this year.

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You know, sort of the timing of launching the initiative, it lined up really well with the Square rollout.

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I think that energized a lot of Bitcoiners to get out and, you know, hit the streets, find their favorite coffee shop.

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And that did the same thing for me, for sure.

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But the initiative isn't just about onboarding merchants.

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It's about creating a circular economy here in D.C.

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I think that's very important.

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But it's, you know, it's one thing to onboard a bunch of merchants.

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But, you know, that doesn't really matter a whole lot if there's not a lot of people willing to pay with Bitcoin.

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So I think building community is extremely important because that creates like the other half of that circular economy.

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And, you know, and it's, you know, it's not just convincing people to pay with Bitcoin. It's about teaching people why it matters and why they should value transacting peer to peer with a business that also values Bitcoin for the reasons that we all know where you could save in fees, instant, instant settlement, no chargebacks, like all those things matter to a business.

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And, you know, ultimately, like people who people who start meetups, start community Bitcoin communities in their areas, like I think they ultimately care.

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Like they want to they want that value to stay local because it just it provides it makes your community better and make sure your business is better.

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Your people are happier. So it creates this like it's like this prosperity engine.

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So that's where the initiative is. But I guess I'll back up, you know, prior to the merchant onboarding.

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Like, I absolutely love Bitcoin meetups.

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I think they're great.

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But I also think that a lot of times Bitcoiners meet up with other Bitcoiners and there's not a whole lot of outreach in the community to bring in like normie people to like.

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Yeah, I think you're right.

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Yeah.

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Like, how do we that's what we start to question is like, how do we get out into our community?

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What what what's our message?

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How do we represent ourselves?

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Do I show up to, you know, a small business administration meeting or a local small business meetup and say, hey, I'm a random dude who loves Bitcoin.

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You guys should come to a meetup or, you know, or does having some sort of entity and more of a public presence have a more official capacity?

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I think it I think it just opens up a lot more doors.

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So that's so there's the two pronged approach for the initiative.

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It's educating merchants. Accepting Bitcoin is great. Ultimately, we want to bring them into the fold and continue that, continue their Bitcoin journey, help them on their Bitcoin journey.

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But it's also building the community and getting out in, out hitting the streets and finding new people to bring into our bubble.

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Bring them into the cause.

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Yeah, that's the goal.

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Yeah, I mean, we're really just like kind of low key activists in a way that, you know, we are working on just kind of creating this better world in this circular economy.

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I like your approach of like, you're not just walking into a business and saying, hey, adopt Square, you know, become a Square merchant, accept Bitcoin.

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You're actually you're providing more of a holistic approach.

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Is that correct?

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Yeah well the thing that I say when I when I talk to a merchant that says hey I you know my name is Trey and I am part of the Bitcoin community here in D You know it a growing meetup There are people here who are willing to pay with Bitcoin and who will go out of their way to find your business and support you

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I don't oversell it either.

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I don't say, hey, you should turn on Bitcoin payments and save all this money and fees because that's just not reality.

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That only works if people are willing to transact in Bitcoin.

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Right. You need Bitcoin payments.

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You need people spending their Bitcoin, I think, is the hardest part.

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There's such a HODL culture. Like, how do we get more people to kind of adopt this and spend their Bitcoin and seek out these merchants, too?

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Yeah, it's tough. And like right now, there's there's such a small group of people like, you know, Bitcoiners are already a small group of people.

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But the ones who are willing to spend their Bitcoin is even smaller.

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Yeah.

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So that's why I'm like really, really excited about, you know, things like like Cash App and Square, because, you know, they they they understood that.

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And with Cash App, you can go to a merchant and spend Bitcoin without even having Bitcoin in your Cash App.

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So that's so that's great.

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So we need more tools like that.

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That's been an interesting thing.

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Like because I've been I've been spending my Bitcoin.

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Right.

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I I spend fiat.

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Obviously, I try to live on a Bitcoin standard as much as possible, as much as serves me.

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Right.

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because, you know, we know that the price goes up and down.

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So sometimes if you're converting to fiat, you're losing a little bit.

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So you kind of, when Bitcoin goes down, it's kind of like,

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well, I'm not going to spend money until we go back up.

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You know, I kind of look at it like that.

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And so today, as we're recording this, it's Thursday, February 12th.

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So I work for Wrigley and we're bringing back the block party tonight.

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And so usually I just, I'll use Cash App or whatever wallet tops my mind

429
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and I'll open it up and I'll buy Hashrate real quick.

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And this was the first time I opened up Cash App today to buy some hash rate, just like I normally would.

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I'm like, OK, I'm going to make a lightning payment and just get some hash rate, you know, like four bucks.

432
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Right. Seven thousand sats worth of hash rate.

433
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You know, and if we hit a block, it's a good return. Right.

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I might make hundreds or a couple thousand dollars. Right.

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So I'm in. It's like it's like I'm getting my lottery ticket and I go to pay like I've always have for more than a year.

436
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And then Cash App was like, hey, do you want to do you want to really pay in your Bitcoin or do you want to pay in your dollars?

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And I was like, OK, Bitcoin's up today.

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Like, like the numbers are looking.

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I'm like, you know what?

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And I've never actually bought Hashrate with dollars before.

441
00:30:05,618 --> 00:30:07,298
I was like, what the hell?

442
00:30:07,418 --> 00:30:09,278
We'll use some cash today instead of the Bitcoin.

443
00:30:09,598 --> 00:30:11,718
You're still using Bitcoin, which is the cool part.

444
00:30:11,978 --> 00:30:16,118
Even though you're not spending your Bitcoin, you're using Bitcoin.

445
00:30:16,118 --> 00:30:24,318
So then I'm like, OK, this is a different, refreshing use case for me today that I'm buying into a Bitcoin mining party.

446
00:30:24,458 --> 00:30:31,998
I'm buying into our block party, making a Bitcoin lightning payment, but I'm technically using my shitty fiat to do it.

447
00:30:32,098 --> 00:30:40,638
So if we hit a block today and I get, you know, my share of the block rewarded, I did it with like $4.87 of shitty fiat.

448
00:30:41,038 --> 00:30:43,398
You know, I'm going to talk about that forever.

449
00:30:43,598 --> 00:30:44,498
So thank you, Cash App.

450
00:30:44,498 --> 00:30:51,398
that's the beautiful part about like bitcoin like bitcoin is the asset and the asset bitcoin is the

451
00:30:51,398 --> 00:30:57,018
asset and the asset is the network so like like you can you can use and spend it in ways that

452
00:30:57,018 --> 00:31:01,678
you know it's it's not it's not so black and white all the time so that's what yeah it's amazing about

453
00:31:01,678 --> 00:31:05,978
building tools on top of bitcoin is you give people that option and like to me that option

454
00:31:05,978 --> 00:31:11,518
is really just like a tax accounting yes you're still paying with bitcoin yeah you're you're

455
00:31:11,518 --> 00:31:15,698
Paying with Bitcoin, you know, because we obviously regularly don't accept fiat.

456
00:31:15,838 --> 00:31:16,918
We do everything in Bitcoin.

457
00:31:17,178 --> 00:31:18,638
There's no reason.

458
00:31:18,898 --> 00:31:20,298
We're selling hash rate.

459
00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:23,498
Why are we going to sell, you know, that we're not going to take your dollars.

460
00:31:23,738 --> 00:31:25,238
You know, that's a Bitcoin thing.

461
00:31:25,398 --> 00:31:27,458
People who understand Bitcoin are going to pay in Bitcoin.

462
00:31:27,678 --> 00:31:31,218
And if you don't understand this, you're not going to be interested in Bitcoin mining anyway.

463
00:31:31,438 --> 00:31:33,418
So it's good to have the choice.

464
00:31:33,678 --> 00:31:36,258
It's, you know, I've paid bills with Bitcoin.

465
00:31:36,258 --> 00:31:42,898
You know, there was a time when I used to say, we'll have made it when I can pay for my auto insurance with Bitcoin.

466
00:31:43,098 --> 00:31:47,218
OK, well, I don't know that we've made it yet, but I did pay for auto insurance with Bitcoin.

467
00:31:47,338 --> 00:31:53,918
Right. So there are different ways to, I guess, use your Bitcoin, spend your Bitcoin, save your Bitcoin.

468
00:31:54,118 --> 00:31:58,758
We have plenty of tools now, plenty of different wallets and different financial products.

469
00:31:58,758 --> 00:32:07,078
But what kind of, I guess, would entice normal people to say, let me, you know, transact, I guess is the right word.

470
00:32:07,338 --> 00:32:08,698
Why should I transact?

471
00:32:09,378 --> 00:32:10,558
That is very challenging.

472
00:32:11,058 --> 00:32:12,078
That's a great question.

473
00:32:12,198 --> 00:32:13,438
Very challenging thing.

474
00:32:13,538 --> 00:32:17,638
I think there's a couple of very real things that a business can do.

475
00:32:17,638 --> 00:32:25,158
So once a business sort of understands the value of accepting Bitcoin, no or low fees, instant settlement, no chargebacks.

476
00:32:25,158 --> 00:32:33,218
Once they get that and they sort of we start them on that journey, they're willing to put up a Bitcoin accepted here sign, which is which is more normies see it.

477
00:32:33,298 --> 00:32:36,238
And then it kind of makes them think, oh, this this business likes Bitcoin.

478
00:32:36,498 --> 00:32:40,058
Maybe maybe the next time I hear about it on the news, I'll take it a little more seriously.

479
00:32:40,938 --> 00:32:52,838
Yeah. So outside of that part, I think if once a once a business gets so far in their journey that they're willing to create an incentive for the customer to pay with Bitcoin, that is a that will be a big step.

480
00:32:52,838 --> 00:32:55,858
That doesn't happen on day one, but that'll be a big step.

481
00:32:56,298 --> 00:32:57,278
I'm sure you've heard of PubKey.

482
00:32:57,558 --> 00:33:00,678
You'll be here soon, I think, in March, right?

483
00:33:00,678 --> 00:33:01,078
We love PubKey.

484
00:33:01,298 --> 00:33:01,518
Yes.

485
00:33:01,738 --> 00:33:02,578
We love PubKey.

486
00:33:03,198 --> 00:33:05,238
Yeah, still looking forward to PubKey.

487
00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:09,358
March 15th, a little after party after the Runster District K.

488
00:33:09,358 --> 00:33:16,838
We're going to head on over to PubKey and have some live music with Ainsley Costello, have some smash burgers, some drink specials.

489
00:33:16,838 --> 00:33:18,178
It's going to be a lot of fun.

490
00:33:18,178 --> 00:33:30,698
And this is actually what PubKey, since you bring them up, this is what they're famous for in New York and now D.C. as PubKey is expanding, which we love to see, actually, because, you know, it's not just a New York Bitcoin bar anymore.

491
00:33:30,878 --> 00:33:32,178
Now it's like a chain.

492
00:33:33,698 --> 00:33:35,258
It's no, it's it's amazing.

493
00:33:35,258 --> 00:33:46,898
And they they're accepting Bitcoin, but they offer a 21 percent discount on there on everything, food, drinks, like everything, 21 percent off if you pay with Bitcoin.

494
00:33:46,898 --> 00:33:48,178
That's a huge incentive.

495
00:33:49,078 --> 00:33:49,458
That is a huge.

496
00:33:49,518 --> 00:33:50,318
It's not 10 percent.

497
00:33:50,438 --> 00:33:50,958
It's not five.

498
00:33:51,058 --> 00:33:52,318
It's 21 percent.

499
00:33:52,798 --> 00:34:01,618
You know, when I go and I order a smash burger and I want extra fries and, you know, I have two or three beers and then I get my check and I'm like, wait, that that should be a lot more.

500
00:34:01,738 --> 00:34:03,298
It's like that discount matters.

501
00:34:03,518 --> 00:34:07,598
So I never pay with a credit card at PubKey nowadays.

502
00:34:08,638 --> 00:34:10,218
You know, they value Bitcoin.

503
00:34:10,478 --> 00:34:11,698
They want to stack Bitcoin.

504
00:34:11,838 --> 00:34:12,658
Obviously, it's PubKey.

505
00:34:13,138 --> 00:34:15,358
They're well along their journey, you know, with Bitcoin.

506
00:34:15,358 --> 00:34:23,718
They started out as like, you know, Bitcoin and sort of in their DNA for a normie sort of business to get to that point, you know, it'll take some time.

507
00:34:24,958 --> 00:34:25,398
Yeah.

508
00:34:25,938 --> 00:34:41,678
The more that we support the business, I think that's a really good thing about having a local community and network of Bitcoiners is that when you find like that really good local business, you can you can tap into that community and say, hey, guys, I onboarded this honeybee stand at a farmer's market.

509
00:34:41,678 --> 00:34:47,038
Would you all go out of your way maybe next time you're there and pay with Bitcoin, go say hi?

510
00:34:47,438 --> 00:34:50,358
It's kind of built for that, that small business.

511
00:34:50,798 --> 00:34:53,938
I've been a Square customer since we're going to say more than a decade.

512
00:34:54,178 --> 00:34:56,118
I had my own business in Wichita, Kansas.

513
00:34:56,318 --> 00:35:00,818
I was at a yoga studio providing Reiki sessions, coaching yoga, you name it.

514
00:35:01,178 --> 00:35:05,518
And I have said for the entire time I've been a Bitcoiner, you can pay me in Bitcoin.

515
00:35:05,718 --> 00:35:08,538
And this is well before I only had Square, right?

516
00:35:08,538 --> 00:35:08,978
Yeah.

517
00:35:08,978 --> 00:35:12,738
This is well before Square added the Bitcoin payments in November.

518
00:35:13,058 --> 00:35:14,958
And so I've said that for years.

519
00:35:15,078 --> 00:35:22,338
Not a single person has paid me for anything I've provided over the years, even when I had a brick and mortar space.

520
00:35:22,458 --> 00:35:23,818
Nobody has yet paid me in Bitcoin.

521
00:35:24,318 --> 00:35:25,838
I've always offered it.

522
00:35:26,538 --> 00:35:32,818
Even here in Phoenix, I had a space downtown where I had a great healing center.

523
00:35:33,138 --> 00:35:36,418
We did a kind of like a spring fling outdoor market event.

524
00:35:36,418 --> 00:35:39,198
and I had like two signs with two QR codes.

525
00:35:39,198 --> 00:35:41,118
Like I'm doing Reiki sessions today.

526
00:35:41,178 --> 00:35:44,538
You can pay me in dollars or you can pay me in Bitcoin.

527
00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:46,818
So there's like two different QR codes.

528
00:35:46,818 --> 00:35:48,718
And so like the dollars one was green.

529
00:35:49,298 --> 00:35:50,558
The Bitcoin one was orange.

530
00:35:50,558 --> 00:35:51,898
And it was like your choice.

531
00:35:52,038 --> 00:35:55,858
And, you know, no one really asked and nobody wanted to.

532
00:35:56,118 --> 00:35:59,778
Everybody, you know, here it's Zelle, it's Venmo.

533
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:03,718
It's all of these different products that are very, you know, big company, big name.

534
00:36:03,798 --> 00:36:05,458
Not that Square isn't a big company and a big name,

535
00:36:05,458 --> 00:36:14,318
But it's these are the things that are popular. And so where I actually got the conversation going was I was playing music on a Bluetooth speaker through Wavelake.

536
00:36:14,818 --> 00:36:19,778
And people, you know, we're hearing the music because, you know, I'm in a public space.

537
00:36:19,958 --> 00:36:25,078
I've got, you know, we're outdoors. It's gorgeous here. It was like spring and and people just walking around.

538
00:36:25,078 --> 00:36:33,338
And I ended up telling a guy about Wavelake. And it's like you got like seconds to tell people about this stuff before you lose them because there's there's jargon.

539
00:36:33,338 --> 00:36:38,718
there's tech you know there's you know big words big ideas and so i'm just showing this guy i'm

540
00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:44,178
like hey i'm playing this song off of wave lake and look i can zap the song i can zap the artist

541
00:36:44,178 --> 00:36:48,738
and they're going to get some bitcoin from me and it doesn't go through a bank and it doesn't go

542
00:36:48,738 --> 00:36:53,518
through an intermediary i'm just paying for this song right now because i like it like here's it's

543
00:36:53,518 --> 00:36:58,378
like i'm giving this person a quarter right and this this guy was like that is really cool you

544
00:36:58,378 --> 00:37:05,438
You know, and so I'm like, OK, at this whole event, I put out my Bitcoin sign and my dollar sign and you can pay me however you want.

545
00:37:05,498 --> 00:37:08,838
And there's choices here. And I've got Wavelake music playing.

546
00:37:08,838 --> 00:37:10,838
And like, I think I reached one person.

547
00:37:11,078 --> 00:37:14,498
So it's just so one to one still right now.

548
00:37:14,718 --> 00:37:21,018
Do you have this same kind of experience as you're talking to merchants and also people who are willing to pay in Bitcoin?

549
00:37:22,098 --> 00:37:27,098
Yeah, definitely. I follow up with every merchant that I help onboard because I want to know.

550
00:37:27,098 --> 00:37:33,198
I come back and ask him, I said, you know, hey, since since I was here last month, like how many people offered to pay with Bitcoin?

551
00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:38,938
Many times it's none. Sometimes it was like sometimes I'll I'll I'll get someone to go and support.

552
00:37:39,238 --> 00:37:46,238
That's kind of a known thing. But on occasion, they do say that, like, yeah, some random person showed up, saw the sign and like, I don't know,

553
00:37:46,278 --> 00:37:49,678
looked out their Coinbase app or some other some other app and like pay with Bitcoin.

554
00:37:49,678 --> 00:37:51,998
And they were like so stoked. That's the key, too.

555
00:37:51,998 --> 00:37:54,338
is like when people see the sign

556
00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:55,758
and they already kind of know about Bitcoin

557
00:37:55,758 --> 00:37:58,058
and they don't really consider it.

558
00:37:58,578 --> 00:38:00,838
And maybe they're not like hardcore Bitcoiners

559
00:38:00,838 --> 00:38:01,698
or Bitcoin maxis,

560
00:38:01,838 --> 00:38:03,538
but maybe they have Coinbase

561
00:38:03,538 --> 00:38:04,558
and they have these other things.

562
00:38:04,618 --> 00:38:06,358
And when they see that Bitcoin sign,

563
00:38:06,558 --> 00:38:08,378
it's like an instant, like, oh crap,

564
00:38:08,458 --> 00:38:09,798
like this is something that isn't just,

565
00:38:09,898 --> 00:38:11,718
you know, sitting in my Coinbase

566
00:38:11,718 --> 00:38:13,598
that I can trade or whatever.

567
00:38:13,818 --> 00:38:15,258
Like it's something that this business,

568
00:38:15,258 --> 00:38:18,738
like it's a real world interaction with Bitcoin.

569
00:38:19,278 --> 00:38:21,158
Yeah, makes it come to life.

570
00:38:21,158 --> 00:38:36,038
And that's really kind of the key with this merchant onboarding is if, even if the merchant doesn't really care about Bitcoin, but they, you know, they're okay to go out of their way and cater to these other customers.

571
00:38:36,218 --> 00:38:38,458
Most businesses, you know, want more ways to pay.

572
00:38:38,578 --> 00:38:45,278
If a customer wants to pay a certain way, you know, they'll add the payment method, especially if it's as easy as with Square.

573
00:38:45,278 --> 00:38:53,698
So I think, you know, what's even more powerful in this moment, and this is a low time preference effort here, right?

574
00:38:53,918 --> 00:38:56,778
We're not trying to create a circular economy overnight.

575
00:38:56,998 --> 00:38:58,298
Like that is not how this works.

576
00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:00,938
So very low time preference.

577
00:39:01,118 --> 00:39:09,598
But if we can start getting Bitcoin to be seen in D.C., whether or not it's being used all the time, that is still progress.

578
00:39:09,598 --> 00:39:15,638
If we can get those Bitcoin accepted here signs in more places, that makes it real.

579
00:39:15,938 --> 00:39:17,538
Like Bitcoin is in the real world.

580
00:39:17,698 --> 00:39:18,198
It's tangible.

581
00:39:18,558 --> 00:39:20,378
So it has a use case.

582
00:39:20,618 --> 00:39:24,538
Right now, I think it's just, you know, a lot of people, especially here in D.C., they think Bitcoin is just for rich people.

583
00:39:24,918 --> 00:39:26,378
You know, they lump it in with crypto.

584
00:39:26,558 --> 00:39:27,238
They think it's a scam.

585
00:39:27,378 --> 00:39:32,758
But like, hey, this merchant, this local farmer's market that you go to every single week cares about Bitcoin.

586
00:39:33,298 --> 00:39:35,918
You already want to support that farmer.

587
00:39:35,918 --> 00:39:41,038
You want to you're bringing your physical cash to support that farmer because they prefer cash.

588
00:39:41,298 --> 00:39:49,078
It is that local angle, kind of like small business, local business kind of gets us away from that big centralization.

589
00:39:49,558 --> 00:39:56,118
And I've seen it in my own life where I become conscious of the centralization of how I spend my money more over time.

590
00:39:56,238 --> 00:40:00,238
Like I've finally stopped going to gyms because it's almost impossible to find.

591
00:40:00,338 --> 00:40:01,358
And I'm in Phoenix, Arizona.

592
00:40:01,558 --> 00:40:04,258
OK, I'm in a city of five million people, you know, market number five.

593
00:40:04,258 --> 00:40:05,598
Right. We're still growing.

594
00:40:05,598 --> 00:40:10,618
because of TSMC and all of them, it's like a billion dollars that TSMC is bringing in over

595
00:40:10,618 --> 00:40:14,138
time, right? So we're not going to stop at 5 million people, you know, projecting that we

596
00:40:14,138 --> 00:40:20,498
reach up to 10 million people in this market over time, right? So this is not a small market by any

597
00:40:20,498 --> 00:40:26,238
means. And so we have a lot of businesses around here, but it is a lot of the coffee shops like

598
00:40:26,238 --> 00:40:32,098
Beale Beans, which actually started accepting Bitcoin at a farmer's market, right? So it is,

599
00:40:32,098 --> 00:40:37,278
And, you know, when I did have a brick and mortar business, I was able to accept Bitcoin.

600
00:40:37,418 --> 00:40:39,338
I think we are kind of the ground floor.

601
00:40:39,478 --> 00:40:51,518
If you are selling honey at a farmer's market or you're selling coffee at a farmer's market or you're like me, provide a service where, you know, you're renting a space or whatever and you're able to interface directly with the public.

602
00:40:51,518 --> 00:40:52,858
That brings it to life.

603
00:40:53,078 --> 00:40:59,658
But it's also gets me out of always having to buy things at Target or Walmart or Aldi.

604
00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:07,978
I could buy, you know, coffee from Bill Beans. I could buy coffee from another Bitcoin or I could buy honey from another Bitcoin or I could find a roadside stand.

605
00:41:08,078 --> 00:41:13,098
I know where there is one around here where somebody sells honey or sells oranges or sell sunglasses.

606
00:41:13,358 --> 00:41:18,858
And you see those guys on the corner with like the sunglasses and the blankets and the oranges or they're selling flowers for Valentine's Day.

607
00:41:18,918 --> 00:41:21,578
Like you see those guys and you're like, they could accept Bitcoin.

608
00:41:22,298 --> 00:41:25,078
And because you have a little more freedom as a small business, too.

609
00:41:25,078 --> 00:41:31,598
And it's kind of just easier, I think, to adopt it as an idea because you're an entrepreneur already.

610
00:41:32,298 --> 00:41:44,307
So you already doing things different And then you see the use case for it I think it just kind of clicks in that space a lot better Yeah no you absolutely right It does click And I think these are really small

611
00:41:44,427 --> 00:41:48,527
small businesses, the owner-operated businesses, these hole-in-the-wall spots, you know,

612
00:41:48,527 --> 00:41:55,387
there's so many of those here in D.C. And what's really sad is, like, I feel like for the past few

613
00:41:55,387 --> 00:42:02,047
years, each year, it's projected that, like, 30-plus percent of small businesses here will

614
00:42:02,047 --> 00:42:08,587
will close down because you know of a variety of variety of course things like government shutdowns

615
00:42:08,587 --> 00:42:13,847
are like devastating for a business work from home stuff you know that that's not a dc specific thing

616
00:42:13,847 --> 00:42:18,547
but that affects a lot of the you know sort of government workers here for sure and then uh

617
00:42:18,547 --> 00:42:23,987
things like this snowstorm that came through like dc is still thawing so we're still frozen foot

618
00:42:23,987 --> 00:42:30,867
traffic dropped drastically so like when their margins are already so so slim and then you throw

619
00:42:30,867 --> 00:42:39,067
in these these these external sort of shocks that are very unpredictable yeah that that's that that

620
00:42:39,067 --> 00:42:44,427
that that's uh that's very that's very hard for these businesses so if you know if we can sort of

621
00:42:44,427 --> 00:42:49,287
help them understand bitcoin and and you know it could be an option to help them weather those

622
00:42:49,287 --> 00:42:55,107
downturns in the future then uh then that's that's kind of the goal is that kind of what you do it's

623
00:42:55,107 --> 00:42:59,347
it's kind of like not just accepting bitcoin payments like you're obviously like when you're

624
00:42:59,347 --> 00:43:03,467
onboarding a merchant, that's kind of the key thing. But are you also encouraging them to

625
00:43:03,467 --> 00:43:08,127
hold back their Bitcoin and make sort of a strategic Bitcoin reserve for their small business?

626
00:43:08,687 --> 00:43:13,347
Yeah, I don't encourage them really one way or the other because I don't want them to,

627
00:43:13,507 --> 00:43:17,067
I don't want to like oversell something because Bitcoin is very volatile, right? So,

628
00:43:17,067 --> 00:43:22,027
but the one thing I do say is I say that, hey, look, you're not going to get a lot of

629
00:43:22,027 --> 00:43:29,147
transactions in Bitcoin. If you get one or two a month, like you could just stack that Bitcoin

630
00:43:29,147 --> 00:43:31,087
and keep it and not really have to worry about it.

631
00:43:31,127 --> 00:43:32,787
Like, it's not going to, it's not going to be.

632
00:43:33,147 --> 00:43:33,547
Yeah.

633
00:43:34,607 --> 00:43:36,427
It's not going to hurt your business.

634
00:43:37,567 --> 00:43:40,767
You know, if Bitcoin were to fall 50% tomorrow,

635
00:43:40,967 --> 00:43:43,907
like, oh, okay, those two burgers that you sold,

636
00:43:44,047 --> 00:43:45,107
you know, you're going to be fine.

637
00:43:45,647 --> 00:43:46,587
Yeah, it's not going to break it.

638
00:43:47,587 --> 00:43:47,867
Yeah.

639
00:43:48,087 --> 00:43:50,107
And then I say, like, look, over time,

640
00:43:50,107 --> 00:43:52,627
if more people are willing to transact

641
00:43:52,627 --> 00:43:54,907
and you want to keep,

642
00:43:55,307 --> 00:43:57,447
you want to keep less of it in Bitcoin

643
00:43:57,447 --> 00:43:59,027
and convert some to dollars,

644
00:43:59,027 --> 00:44:02,107
Like you have that flexibility, especially if they're a Square Merchant.

645
00:44:02,247 --> 00:44:07,147
It made it so easy to just move that slider and you can do it that way.

646
00:44:07,267 --> 00:44:09,887
But we do provide some language.

647
00:44:10,307 --> 00:44:18,087
I've got some trifold pamphlets that do lay out the case for why a business would want to hold and store Bitcoin for the long term.

648
00:44:18,467 --> 00:44:21,267
But each business is very unique, very different.

649
00:44:21,547 --> 00:44:26,447
You know, I don't try to push them to stack all your sales in Bitcoin because I think that would be irresponsible.

650
00:44:26,447 --> 00:44:39,147
So it's really being sort of real and upfront and say, hey, look, I think proving the use case that there are Bitcoiners here willing to transact with you in Bitcoin is like a good way to prove the use case of Bitcoin.

651
00:44:39,447 --> 00:44:50,587
And then the more that they learn and go down the rabbit hole, maybe they see those few transactions in their Square wallet, you know, a year from now, maybe they'll see that there was a double, tripled in value.

652
00:44:50,727 --> 00:44:52,907
That gets them to think more about Bitcoin.

653
00:44:52,907 --> 00:44:54,227
More long term, for sure.

654
00:44:54,227 --> 00:45:07,007
Like if I had converted 50 percent of my sales or 10 percent, 5 percent, whatever it is, if I converted a portion of my sales, when this guy came up to me and asked me to pay away with Bitcoin, like here's where I here's where I could be today.

655
00:45:07,007 --> 00:45:10,287
We also make sure that they understand that Bitcoin is pristine collateral.

656
00:45:10,667 --> 00:45:13,447
Like you could get a loan in 10 seconds.

657
00:45:13,607 --> 00:45:19,347
Like with Strike, you can get a loan and you can invest that in your business, grow your business like you have options.

658
00:45:19,507 --> 00:45:22,247
I think given that optionality message is very important.

659
00:45:22,247 --> 00:45:32,207
Like, you know, I'll never give like advice on what they should do, but giving them the optionality and telling them that Bitcoin gives you optionality in the future is kind of the big message.

660
00:45:33,607 --> 00:45:39,347
So Square began rolling out the Bitcoin payments on about November 10th of 2025.

661
00:45:39,727 --> 00:45:42,047
So now as we sit here, it's been a few months, right?

662
00:45:42,127 --> 00:45:45,967
It's Thursday, February 20th, Thursday, February 12th, 2026.

663
00:45:46,087 --> 00:45:48,787
So we've had a couple months now to work on this.

664
00:45:48,887 --> 00:45:51,047
Did you start right away with Bitcoin District Initiative?

665
00:45:51,047 --> 00:45:51,307
Yeah, right away.

666
00:45:51,307 --> 00:45:52,287
Right away.

667
00:45:52,447 --> 00:45:52,607
Okay.

668
00:45:52,707 --> 00:45:54,707
So you've been working at this this whole time.

669
00:45:54,907 --> 00:45:57,947
I hear that you probably hit a few merchants a day.

670
00:45:59,107 --> 00:45:59,967
Not a few a day.

671
00:46:00,067 --> 00:46:00,987
That's a lot.

672
00:46:01,727 --> 00:46:04,767
There were a few days where I hit a few merchants a day.

673
00:46:05,367 --> 00:46:05,647
Okay.

674
00:46:05,667 --> 00:46:07,247
So how many do you hit like a week?

675
00:46:07,347 --> 00:46:08,087
Like what's your average?

676
00:46:08,267 --> 00:46:09,167
Like how many are you hitting?

677
00:46:09,787 --> 00:46:11,547
So it's very like bursty.

678
00:46:11,547 --> 00:46:21,067
So sometimes I will hit a farmer's market and then, you know, it's almost rare that they'll turn it on on the spot.

679
00:46:21,307 --> 00:46:28,247
yeah it's you know i i talk to a lot of people i show up consistently i try not to batter them too

680
00:46:28,247 --> 00:46:33,947
much i don't want them to yeah to get annoyed with me sometimes i can kind of tell if i've

681
00:46:33,947 --> 00:46:38,287
because you're kind of like a sales guy but you you're not really like making money from these

682
00:46:38,287 --> 00:46:43,887
sales so you're kind of like i don't know mercenary i mean like i'm selling an idea but

683
00:46:43,887 --> 00:46:48,007
like that's it i'm not trying to like if anything i'm trying to bring more business to you for like

684
00:46:48,007 --> 00:46:52,947
nothing in return just like put up a bitcoin sign and that's kind of it doing the lord's

685
00:46:52,947 --> 00:46:59,047
there's been weeks especially like before it started getting super cold there were weeks where

686
00:46:59,047 --> 00:47:05,267
i would i would help on board like two or three merchants in a week so that would be like the max

687
00:47:05,267 --> 00:47:13,287
that's pretty good though recently though uh there's a restaurant they started here as a

688
00:47:13,287 --> 00:47:21,007
food truck back in like 2013, 2014, like a long time ago. They had tried Bitcoin payments in their

689
00:47:21,007 --> 00:47:27,947
food truck back then. They're called the Peruvian Brothers. It's a really good restaurant. Since then,

690
00:47:27,967 --> 00:47:33,607
they've opened up four or five different locations here in DC. We knew that they had sort of a

691
00:47:33,607 --> 00:47:40,407
history with Bitcoin. So we ended up following up with them and made sure they knew about the

692
00:47:40,407 --> 00:47:45,967
square rollout of Bitcoin payments. And that was great. So we emailed them and then they said,

693
00:47:46,047 --> 00:47:50,727
yeah, we'll turn it on. And then we show up and we support and we give them all the signage and

694
00:47:50,727 --> 00:47:55,067
everything. And then now they're accepting Bitcoin. So that one was a cool one because

695
00:47:55,067 --> 00:47:58,767
they had five different locations. So now they're all showing up on the Cash App map.

696
00:47:58,767 --> 00:48:02,987
Yeah, I would say like on a good week, like two or three.

697
00:48:04,027 --> 00:48:07,287
Okay. So you hit two or three, but do you manage to onboard two or three?

698
00:48:07,287 --> 00:48:12,647
on a good week i've onboarded like three different merchants okay so that's okay so

699
00:48:12,647 --> 00:48:20,507
dozens yeah talk to anybody who's willing yeah i'll talk to anybody who's willing so

700
00:48:20,507 --> 00:48:24,287
like i'll like two or three days a week i'll hit the ground in dc and i'll just

701
00:48:24,287 --> 00:48:30,607
scour different parts of the city and find find merchants nowadays i like i try to target the

702
00:48:30,607 --> 00:48:36,327
square merchants because the onboarding is just so easy i think if you if you can get more if you

703
00:48:36,327 --> 00:48:41,447
can get like one or two merchants in a specific area to start accepting bitcoin then you can point

704
00:48:41,447 --> 00:48:46,047
like if you can go to another business point to them and say like they're accepting bitcoin

705
00:48:46,047 --> 00:48:52,887
then you become a bitcoin neighborhood where exactly yeah and the case with the peruvian

706
00:48:52,887 --> 00:48:58,047
brothers it's in a like big food court called la cosecha and there's a lot of like latin latin

707
00:48:58,047 --> 00:49:03,187
themed latin restaurants in there so like if i can get one to accept bitcoin put up the sign

708
00:49:03,187 --> 00:49:06,927
And then you can just walk around and like point to them and say, hey, they're accepted Bitcoin.

709
00:49:07,147 --> 00:49:08,107
And then they talk.

710
00:49:08,627 --> 00:49:09,207
That's good.

711
00:49:09,327 --> 00:49:11,507
So that's a good force amplifier.

712
00:49:12,007 --> 00:49:13,467
And then, yeah, so that's kind of the goal.

713
00:49:13,587 --> 00:49:18,307
Farmers markets is another easy way to do that because a lot of the farmers market vendors, they all talk to each other.

714
00:49:18,387 --> 00:49:18,867
They're friends.

715
00:49:19,167 --> 00:49:22,207
So if you can get a couple there to do it, that helps a lot.

716
00:49:22,987 --> 00:49:25,887
So there's a lot of really good strategies for sure.

717
00:49:26,027 --> 00:49:26,627
That is good.

718
00:49:26,627 --> 00:49:30,287
Okay, so your goal, I think, was to onboard 100 merchants.

719
00:49:31,907 --> 00:49:32,887
That's going to take a while.

720
00:49:32,887 --> 00:49:39,367
By the end of the year, we've got about 22-ish, 22 separate businesses.

721
00:49:39,887 --> 00:49:41,067
Almost a quarter of the way there.

722
00:49:41,867 --> 00:49:42,087
Yeah.

723
00:49:42,427 --> 00:49:43,747
You've got a soft approach.

724
00:49:43,767 --> 00:49:44,407
We're well on the way.

725
00:49:45,007 --> 00:49:45,247
Yeah.

726
00:49:45,507 --> 00:49:45,707
Okay.

727
00:49:45,807 --> 00:49:48,667
So like, are you hitting the same ones over and over again?

728
00:49:48,727 --> 00:49:50,167
Like if you get a no, you go back?

729
00:49:51,067 --> 00:49:52,027
Yeah, definitely.

730
00:49:52,267 --> 00:49:53,627
And I won't go back right away.

731
00:49:53,787 --> 00:49:54,867
Give them some time to think.

732
00:49:54,867 --> 00:50:02,867
Because, you know, a lot of these businesses, they're in the customer service industry and they want to treat their customers with respect.

733
00:50:02,887 --> 00:50:04,827
They want to be very pleasant and kind.

734
00:50:05,167 --> 00:50:07,527
So like, even if they, sometimes you can tell,

735
00:50:07,607 --> 00:50:09,927
like even if they really don't want anything to do with Bitcoin,

736
00:50:10,047 --> 00:50:12,627
they'll kind of like, you know, they'll still be nice.

737
00:50:12,707 --> 00:50:13,667
They'll still talk to you.

738
00:50:13,907 --> 00:50:18,567
So I try to, you know, kind of take a hint when I know it's just not going to work.

739
00:50:18,667 --> 00:50:21,907
But for the vast majority of the people I talk to, they're super receptive.

740
00:50:22,267 --> 00:50:25,287
I did a survey, me and my colleagues with the initiative,

741
00:50:25,407 --> 00:50:27,707
we did, we put together a very, very easy survey.

742
00:50:27,967 --> 00:50:29,627
And the first couple of questions were,

743
00:50:29,627 --> 00:50:32,687
what's the biggest challenges that you have running your business?

744
00:50:32,887 --> 00:50:35,647
And of course, the top answer was high fees.

745
00:50:36,607 --> 00:50:37,047
Yeah.

746
00:50:37,147 --> 00:50:40,767
The second question was, are you able to save in your business?

747
00:50:40,767 --> 00:50:43,347
Like, do you invest in any sort of assets that grow over time?

748
00:50:43,487 --> 00:50:47,207
And all of them said no, or they just like reinvest back in their business.

749
00:50:47,947 --> 00:50:51,587
And then the third question we say is, have you ever heard of, or have you ever considered

750
00:50:51,587 --> 00:50:53,487
accepting Bitcoin in your business?

751
00:50:54,127 --> 00:50:58,767
So that was a cool strategy because we asked those like questions that we knew they would

752
00:50:58,767 --> 00:51:03,027
kind of latch on to and really like open up about because they all hate the high feet.

753
00:51:04,107 --> 00:51:07,267
And then we bring in Bitcoin on the third and fourth questions.

754
00:51:07,447 --> 00:51:11,287
And then that kind of that helps really start a good conversation.

755
00:51:11,647 --> 00:51:13,847
So that was very helpful, too.

756
00:51:13,967 --> 00:51:17,207
So I definitely circle back up with all those businesses.

757
00:51:17,707 --> 00:51:19,807
But it's fun.

758
00:51:19,867 --> 00:51:21,527
You get to meet a lot of cool people along the way.

759
00:51:21,627 --> 00:51:23,027
And I very much enjoy it.

760
00:51:24,267 --> 00:51:24,607
Very cool.

761
00:51:24,607 --> 00:51:31,087
So now you're partnering, let's bring it back to PubKey in D.C. to build like a Bitcoin education hub.

762
00:51:31,187 --> 00:51:33,967
So what does that kind of look like in practice?

763
00:51:33,967 --> 00:51:36,787
Like what happens when somebody walks in?

764
00:51:37,027 --> 00:51:37,867
Like walks into PubKey?

765
00:51:38,487 --> 00:51:38,767
Yeah.

766
00:51:38,967 --> 00:51:40,527
Well, I mean, I guess it depends on the day.

767
00:51:40,607 --> 00:51:49,627
Like if someone walks into PubKey just like on a random Tuesday, you know, and they ask the bartender or something about Bitcoin, you know, they'll say as much as they can.

768
00:51:49,627 --> 00:51:52,247
You know, they'll say, hey, you can pay with Bitcoin.

769
00:51:52,387 --> 00:51:53,627
You get 21% off.

770
00:51:53,627 --> 00:51:55,347
You can just do it with Cash App.

771
00:51:55,447 --> 00:51:56,867
Kind of depends on who's at the bar.

772
00:51:57,607 --> 00:51:58,707
And I don't work for Pupke.

773
00:51:58,807 --> 00:52:01,227
I'm just kind of telling you my experience there.

774
00:52:01,527 --> 00:52:01,587
Just a fan.

775
00:52:02,007 --> 00:52:02,987
Yeah, huge fan.

776
00:52:03,287 --> 00:52:08,527
We are partnering with them to do some educational events on Wednesdays.

777
00:52:08,607 --> 00:52:11,247
Not every Wednesdays, but like one or two Wednesdays out of the month.

778
00:52:11,407 --> 00:52:13,947
They'll always have like Bitcoin free,

779
00:52:14,047 --> 00:52:18,007
and open Bitcoin programming on Wednesdays here in D.C.

780
00:52:18,167 --> 00:52:20,227
So that's just getting going.

781
00:52:20,227 --> 00:52:26,227
And they've partnered with us to organize some of those educational events.

782
00:52:26,327 --> 00:52:27,367
So we've done a few already.

783
00:52:27,907 --> 00:52:29,167
We're having one next week.

784
00:52:29,327 --> 00:52:35,927
It's called the Great Mid-Atlantic Bitcoin Meetup, which is a really fun idea one of our guys came up with.

785
00:52:36,127 --> 00:52:40,907
And we're inviting Bitcoiners and specifically Bitcoin organizers from the region.

786
00:52:41,127 --> 00:52:43,787
So New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia.

787
00:52:43,987 --> 00:52:46,067
Someone's like flying in from South Carolina for it.

788
00:52:46,067 --> 00:52:51,287
So it's a good way to like bring everyone together and, you know, network and stuff like that.

789
00:52:51,527 --> 00:52:55,287
But yeah, no, Pupkey is amazing.

790
00:52:55,687 --> 00:53:00,987
And we're just super happy that they showed up and we can do so much cool stuff there.

791
00:53:01,807 --> 00:53:02,927
That's going to be an awesome meetup.

792
00:53:02,987 --> 00:53:03,827
That's on the 18th?

793
00:53:04,747 --> 00:53:06,147
That is on the 18th, yes.

794
00:53:06,247 --> 00:53:07,847
February 18th, 6 p.m.

795
00:53:07,947 --> 00:53:08,127
Okay.

796
00:53:08,267 --> 00:53:08,587
Very cool.

797
00:53:08,587 --> 00:53:09,307
It will be live stream.

798
00:53:10,107 --> 00:53:10,687
Live stream.

799
00:53:10,767 --> 00:53:10,907
Okay.

800
00:53:10,947 --> 00:53:11,767
Where can we watch that?

801
00:53:11,767 --> 00:53:13,787
Follow Pupkey's channel.

802
00:53:14,027 --> 00:53:15,747
So their ex, probably their YouTube.

803
00:53:16,067 --> 00:53:17,467
I think they're streaming on Nostra as well.

804
00:53:17,807 --> 00:53:18,427
That is awesome.

805
00:53:18,547 --> 00:53:18,667
Yeah.

806
00:53:19,807 --> 00:53:23,267
I found that streaming on Nostra can be a little subjective.

807
00:53:23,667 --> 00:53:25,767
Like it may or may not show up in Primal.

808
00:53:26,127 --> 00:53:28,547
It's going to probably show up on Fountain for sure.

809
00:53:28,767 --> 00:53:33,567
I've heard that when you try this, you know, zap.stream, of course, Amethyst should work.

810
00:53:33,887 --> 00:53:37,087
Nostra, N-O-S-T-U-R, that app, you know, probably works.

811
00:53:37,247 --> 00:53:42,747
So if you're expecting to see the stream on Nostra and you're not seeing it in the expected place, you know, try Fountain.

812
00:53:43,107 --> 00:53:44,447
Try Amethyst if you have Android.

813
00:53:44,447 --> 00:53:49,587
I just keep keep bound. It's still an imperfect technology that we have going here.

814
00:53:49,587 --> 00:53:53,647
But yeah, then PubKey YouTube, PubKey Twitter, that's always good.

815
00:53:53,727 --> 00:53:56,847
So people can kind of people can watch what you guys are talking about live.

816
00:53:56,967 --> 00:53:59,187
I think that's that's an important component, too.

817
00:53:59,767 --> 00:54:02,547
Yeah. And the event will be it's from six to ten.

818
00:54:02,687 --> 00:54:05,267
But there's a portion of it that will be live stream.

819
00:54:05,347 --> 00:54:07,307
We'll have speakers to two different panels.

820
00:54:07,307 --> 00:54:12,507
We're going to talk about meetup organizers experiences in there, kind of talk about their meetups.

821
00:54:12,507 --> 00:54:17,707
and then what it's like to the importance of growing a Bitcoin community

822
00:54:17,707 --> 00:54:21,167
and then give like tips and tricks and recommendations

823
00:54:21,167 --> 00:54:23,067
for people who might want to start their own.

824
00:54:23,147 --> 00:54:25,987
So like the goal there is to inspire more Bitcoiners out there to,

825
00:54:26,147 --> 00:54:28,907
you know, if there's not a meetup in your town already, like start one.

826
00:54:29,147 --> 00:54:32,167
And then we'll also talk about the merchant adoption piece.

827
00:54:32,407 --> 00:54:33,007
Very cool.

828
00:54:33,367 --> 00:54:35,767
Meeting, meeting exchange and why it's important

829
00:54:35,767 --> 00:54:38,607
and tips to get out there and talk to merchants.

830
00:54:39,247 --> 00:54:40,987
They're going to learn that. That's good stuff.

831
00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:52,127
But can people kind of like, I guess people outside of D.C. who are interested in what the Bitcoin District Initiative is doing, can they get in touch with you or maybe copy what you're doing or get some pointers?

832
00:54:52,307 --> 00:54:53,247
Because you're a great resource.

833
00:54:54,707 --> 00:54:54,927
For sure.

834
00:54:54,927 --> 00:54:58,067
And I lean on a lot of other great resources.

835
00:54:58,647 --> 00:55:07,407
So, you know, I consume all the, you know, pay attention to all the really cool stuff coming out of other meetups, coming out of other companies.

836
00:55:07,887 --> 00:55:09,067
There's a group.

837
00:55:09,067 --> 00:55:21,447
There's a something called the Bitcoin Merchant Community that Spiral launched that puts out some really good resources that help Bitcoiners talk to merchants and sort of give them tips and stuff and print material.

838
00:55:21,827 --> 00:55:26,107
And they have these little plushies that they give out and to local Bitcoin champions.

839
00:55:26,347 --> 00:55:28,127
So they're really putting out some really good stuff.

840
00:55:28,207 --> 00:55:28,827
I've used that.

841
00:55:28,827 --> 00:55:31,367
I've used, you know, pamphlets that, you know.

842
00:55:31,396 --> 00:55:37,616
Other folks have put out, customized them to sort of to the local Bitcoin or the local DC businesses.

843
00:55:37,616 --> 00:55:43,616
So, you know, it's like it's just I'm putting into practice what like a lot of other people out there have done.

844
00:55:43,736 --> 00:55:46,196
And then we produce some of our own stuff, too.

845
00:55:46,316 --> 00:55:53,636
So it's really cool to be part of a movement where so many people just support each other and put out these free resources.

846
00:55:54,576 --> 00:55:55,056
Yeah.

847
00:55:55,216 --> 00:55:59,236
And encourage everyone to use and modify and stuff.

848
00:55:59,236 --> 00:56:03,196
So it's the whole open source spirit of it all is really cool.

849
00:56:03,436 --> 00:56:07,616
But yeah, feel free to reach out, Trey, at BitcoinDistrictInitiative.org.

850
00:56:07,756 --> 00:56:10,256
You can go to BitcoinDistrictInitiative.org.

851
00:56:10,316 --> 00:56:11,256
It's a very long domain name.

852
00:56:12,016 --> 00:56:13,056
BitcoinDistrictInitiative.org.

853
00:56:13,296 --> 00:56:19,016
You'll see all of our initiatives there, contact info, and happy to meet and chat with others.

854
00:56:19,216 --> 00:56:23,916
If people want to start a local nonprofit in their town to be able to do more things,

855
00:56:24,056 --> 00:56:27,416
like having a formal entity is very helpful in a lot of ways.

856
00:56:27,416 --> 00:56:27,876
Yeah.

857
00:56:27,876 --> 00:56:28,036
Yeah.

858
00:56:29,036 --> 00:56:30,296
You have to pay for the work that you're doing.

859
00:56:30,296 --> 00:56:31,216
That was all very straightforward.

860
00:56:32,176 --> 00:56:35,956
I'm sure you have materials and needing to pay for things.

861
00:56:36,536 --> 00:56:37,676
And therefore, the nonprofit structure.

862
00:56:37,676 --> 00:56:37,776
Yeah.

863
00:56:37,796 --> 00:56:41,076
Having a budget is amazing.

864
00:56:41,416 --> 00:56:43,536
The budget we have is like peanuts.

865
00:56:43,536 --> 00:56:44,936
Having a budget is great.

866
00:56:45,056 --> 00:56:49,036
When you want to print things and maybe book a venue for something,

867
00:56:49,236 --> 00:56:52,456
or sell tickets to something, it helps a lot.

868
00:56:53,316 --> 00:56:53,976
It's a good way.

869
00:56:54,096 --> 00:56:57,676
And lastly, I wanted to ask you what music you're a fan of.

870
00:56:57,876 --> 00:57:02,496
in this quote-unquote value-for-value space or the Bitcoin music space,

871
00:57:02,596 --> 00:57:05,056
since we're still searching for the right name to give it,

872
00:57:05,336 --> 00:57:07,876
because nothing has caught on with mainstream people.

873
00:57:08,016 --> 00:57:11,516
They're not grabbing on to value-for-value or Bitcoin music or open music,

874
00:57:11,636 --> 00:57:12,616
you know, unless they really are.

875
00:57:12,696 --> 00:57:17,356
Like yourself, you were looking specifically for ways to decentralize music,

876
00:57:17,356 --> 00:57:19,176
and you were looking for something around that.

877
00:57:19,336 --> 00:57:21,376
So I know you've got some music you like.

878
00:57:21,456 --> 00:57:24,896
Who are some of your favorite artists or songs or your favorite app to listen?

879
00:57:24,896 --> 00:57:50,176
Yeah. So, I mean, I'm still a huge Spotify person. I love the Spotify experience. But the thing that really drew me to decentralizing music was like, oh, like artists should be paid more for the music that they put out. And so that very much resonates with me. So like I would love to see my favorite artist, you know, kind of slide into the value for value sphere. But I love Ainsley. I love her music.

880
00:57:50,176 --> 00:57:53,616
I first saw her in Nashville.

881
00:57:53,976 --> 00:57:55,716
That was my first Bitcoin conference.

882
00:57:56,396 --> 00:58:01,736
Like leading up to it, I had started to get into Wave Lake and I started listening to her new album.

883
00:58:02,196 --> 00:58:06,836
You know, when she got really big on Wave Lake, her first few songs, that was really cool.

884
00:58:06,956 --> 00:58:10,496
So to like see her live was awesome.

885
00:58:10,596 --> 00:58:12,036
I think I saw her live twice.

886
00:58:12,116 --> 00:58:14,116
I went to the Vinyl Lab and saw her play there.

887
00:58:14,356 --> 00:58:15,596
Were you at the Vinyl Lab?

888
00:58:15,936 --> 00:58:16,356
Wasn't there.

889
00:58:16,456 --> 00:58:18,776
So that was the Bitcoin conference 2024 in Nashville.

890
00:58:18,776 --> 00:58:28,636
That was, yeah, they had the bands at Bitcoin at the Vinyl Lounge and it was just three days straight of just performances just as a side event to the Bitcoin conference.

891
00:58:28,636 --> 00:58:31,436
It was so cool. Yeah, that side event was so cool to see her in person.

892
00:58:31,696 --> 00:58:34,416
And then I saw her, I think there was another like concert there.

893
00:58:34,636 --> 00:58:37,436
Yeah. So like in terms of like the value for value world, Ainsley's great.

894
00:58:37,656 --> 00:58:43,556
And then just personally, like other music I listen to, like my music is my music preferences fluctuates wildly.

895
00:58:43,556 --> 00:58:49,956
But the type of music that's my favorite that I always kind of like go back to often is there's a few bands.

896
00:58:50,096 --> 00:58:51,096
I love Mayday Parade.

897
00:58:51,256 --> 00:58:52,116
I don't know if you've heard them.

898
00:58:52,236 --> 00:58:55,156
It's like a punk pop band.

899
00:58:56,496 --> 00:58:57,516
I love them.

900
00:58:57,696 --> 00:59:01,876
That was like my sort of childhood music growing up.

901
00:59:02,816 --> 00:59:03,736
Yellow Card is great.

902
00:59:04,316 --> 00:59:06,836
They just put out a new album, which is awesome.

903
00:59:07,476 --> 00:59:12,496
Honestly, Eye is a really good song that's like on repeat nowadays.

904
00:59:13,456 --> 00:59:16,736
And then I guess another artist would be Rainbow Kitten Surprise.

905
00:59:17,236 --> 00:59:18,596
I don't know if you've heard of that.

906
00:59:18,616 --> 00:59:19,516
No, I haven't heard of that one at all.

907
00:59:20,216 --> 00:59:25,956
It's always good when we talk about any music around here because, you know, it's impossible to know all of it, whether it's in the value verse or not.

908
00:59:26,036 --> 00:59:27,496
So it's always good to hear what people are into.

909
00:59:27,616 --> 00:59:33,276
Because it's like, you're into this, like Yellow Cardinal, and you're like, but I love Ainsley, and I've seen Ainsley play live in Nashville.

910
00:59:33,336 --> 00:59:40,976
Well, I grew up in Alabama, so my dad was huge in the country, so a big country music fan, at least liked the country music back then.

911
00:59:40,976 --> 00:59:45,596
And I don't listen to a whole lot of the new stuff, but there's Dad.

912
00:59:45,796 --> 00:59:48,596
And I would say like this, like punk pop is good.

913
00:59:48,676 --> 00:59:49,576
I'm not into Screamo.

914
00:59:49,656 --> 00:59:51,516
That's a little too much for my ears.

915
00:59:52,516 --> 01:00:00,536
It's a good point because I think we're still in a world where people are on legacy social media platforms like Twitter and they're also getting into Nostra.

916
01:00:00,676 --> 01:00:05,696
And people are also like, hey, I am listening to Spotify or Apple Music or, you know, the laundry list.

917
01:00:05,796 --> 01:00:10,616
There's like 10 of them, right, that are mainstream and tied into record labels and performance rights organizations.

918
01:00:10,616 --> 01:00:23,856
But then there's also this alternative where you can get on Wavelake and you can get on Fountain and you can hear music where you can, if you love it, you can pay Ainsley Costello in Bitcoin with just a few sats here and there, you know, or you can stream on Fountain.

919
01:00:24,056 --> 01:00:26,796
I love the streaming part. That's really cool, too.

920
01:00:27,336 --> 01:00:35,796
That makes it easy. And I don't have to consciously, like, stop down, grab my phone, do the boost or the zap and think and go through a thought process.

921
01:00:35,796 --> 01:00:38,116
It's like, oh, I'm listening to this song and I really like it.

922
01:00:38,256 --> 01:00:43,096
And the artist is just getting some money just because I'm listening to the song.

923
01:00:43,196 --> 01:00:44,656
I feel like that's the natural way.

924
01:00:44,836 --> 01:00:46,016
Like, that's how it should work.

925
01:00:46,356 --> 01:00:50,336
Like, because I'm listening to your song, you're getting paid for me listening to it.

926
01:00:50,396 --> 01:00:55,996
I feel like that's a more wholesome and proper way to be a music consumer.

927
01:00:56,196 --> 01:00:58,816
But, you know, we do still have, you know, the mainstream.

928
01:00:58,936 --> 01:01:01,756
We're not going to give up our Nirvana or our Fleetwood Mac, right?

929
01:01:01,756 --> 01:01:05,836
We're not going to give up Chapel Rhone and all these big things that we listen to that are mainstream.

930
01:01:06,316 --> 01:01:31,364
And people may still you know a few people probably still watch the Grammys and we go to concerts Like I had Rustin Kelly tickets here in town The show got canceled because it was Super Bowl Sunday But I still going to enjoy some of my record label music shall we say mainstream music And then I yes going to you know take every opportunity to see Ainsley play or see Longhi play or see Joe Martin play and listen to those songs as well

931
01:01:31,364 --> 01:01:41,164
And, you know, that's kind of where we're at right now, where we have the fiat system and people are taking fiat payments with Square and people are also taking Bitcoin payments with Square.

932
01:01:41,364 --> 01:01:51,504
And it's just sort of becoming, I think, slowly but surely, you know, as Parker Lewis says, you know, gradually then suddenly, you know, there's I don't know if things ever emerged.

933
01:01:51,544 --> 01:01:55,024
Like, I don't think we ever get rid of the old way completely.

934
01:01:55,024 --> 01:01:59,664
But like right now, we're starting to kind of kind of mesh and mingle the two together.

935
01:01:59,664 --> 01:02:02,804
You know, we still it's really important to have options.

936
01:02:02,804 --> 01:02:13,384
And I think the more that big corners create really good tools and options when the time comes and people need another option, you know, maybe it's gradually for a long time.

937
01:02:13,384 --> 01:02:18,644
And then, you know, maybe there's some sort of event or maybe like, I don't know, maybe the law is passed.

938
01:02:18,644 --> 01:02:22,384
And now all these companies have to collect all these data on all our transactions.

939
01:02:22,384 --> 01:02:25,064
And like now people really do care about privacy.

940
01:02:25,064 --> 01:02:25,744
Like, I guess what?

941
01:02:25,764 --> 01:02:27,104
There's there's like an option.

942
01:02:27,104 --> 01:02:31,544
Yeah, it's like Discord just said that they're doing age verification.

943
01:02:31,804 --> 01:02:36,664
So everybody's going, oh, gosh, we should have this ready for an Oster so we could have the Discord.

944
01:02:37,044 --> 01:02:38,584
It's not that people haven't tried to build it.

945
01:02:38,664 --> 01:02:40,264
It just isn't ready yet.

946
01:02:40,504 --> 01:02:41,804
And so it's just one of those things where.

947
01:02:42,524 --> 01:02:44,524
Keep building.

948
01:02:45,364 --> 01:02:45,804
Keep building.

949
01:02:46,624 --> 01:02:46,824
Yeah.

950
01:02:47,084 --> 01:02:47,684
Keep at it.

951
01:02:47,704 --> 01:02:48,404
Well, thank you, Trey.

952
01:02:48,484 --> 01:02:54,844
Is there anything else that I asked you or is there anything else I didn't ask you that we didn't cover that I should have asked you?

953
01:02:54,964 --> 01:02:55,724
Did I miss anything?

954
01:02:55,724 --> 01:02:57,044
I don't think so.

955
01:02:57,104 --> 01:03:02,484
If you hear this and you like what we're doing, you can go to givebdi.org.

956
01:03:02,624 --> 01:03:05,224
You can donate some SATs or some dirty fiat.

957
01:03:05,584 --> 01:03:10,604
And if you want to see us do more of that stuff, you know, a little bit goes a long way.

958
01:03:10,604 --> 01:03:12,324
Awesome. Thank you, Trey, for letting me.

959
01:03:12,504 --> 01:03:13,264
This was a lot of fun.

960
01:03:13,944 --> 01:03:16,304
Yeah, letting me pick your brain and sharing some.

961
01:03:16,584 --> 01:03:18,944
You're just full of resources and great ideas.

962
01:03:19,084 --> 01:03:24,804
And you're a good soft sell on this sort of, you know, getting people into the Bitcoin world,

963
01:03:24,804 --> 01:03:28,624
which I think we've all, we were maxi orange pillars back in the day.

964
01:03:28,724 --> 01:03:33,224
I think we've rehabilitated ourselves to be a little easier, softer approach.

965
01:03:33,344 --> 01:03:37,544
As far as getting people interested in this, we don't sound like we're in a crazy cult.

966
01:03:37,704 --> 01:03:39,084
I think that's better.

967
01:03:39,344 --> 01:03:43,724
We're like, we're regular, normal people who just have adopted Bitcoin in our lives.

968
01:03:43,784 --> 01:03:44,504
It's not a cult.

969
01:03:44,624 --> 01:03:45,385
It's not a scheme.

970
01:03:45,624 --> 01:03:46,604
It's just weird.

971
01:03:46,924 --> 01:03:50,564
We did the studying to figure out, okay, we want this better world.

972
01:03:50,604 --> 01:03:53,664
And now, oh gosh, we have to actually go work on it.

973
01:03:53,664 --> 01:03:56,404
And you're one of the people who are you're working on it.

974
01:03:56,584 --> 01:04:00,004
Your proof of work is getting merchants onboarded in Washington, D.C.

975
01:04:00,044 --> 01:04:01,324
And I commend you for that.

976
01:04:01,385 --> 01:04:03,104
That's I think it's important work.

977
01:04:03,184 --> 01:04:06,284
You're you're spending your time well and you're spending your talent well.

978
01:04:06,284 --> 01:04:08,245
And, you know, just appreciate what you're doing, Trey.

979
01:04:08,984 --> 01:04:10,565
Thank you. Appreciate it.

980
01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:12,325
Looking forward to the race.

981
01:04:12,585 --> 01:04:13,125
March 15th.

982
01:04:13,424 --> 01:04:14,664
Let's go Haynes Point.

983
01:04:15,024 --> 01:04:16,325
Sign up. Runster.

984
01:04:16,524 --> 01:04:18,185
R-U-N-S-T-R dot club.

985
01:04:18,304 --> 01:04:19,585
That will sign you up for the run.

986
01:04:19,585 --> 01:04:25,005
And you're going to start to see posters all around D.C. soon talking about our after party at Pub Key.

987
01:04:25,224 --> 01:04:27,724
So we'll be opening the doors at 10 in the morning.

988
01:04:28,005 --> 01:04:31,044
Ainsley is going to take the stage at noon for a great performance.

989
01:04:31,044 --> 01:04:33,304
So you've got time to do the run or not do the run.

990
01:04:33,404 --> 01:04:36,825
But, you know, we want you to get the full D.C. Bitcoin experience.

991
01:04:36,984 --> 01:04:39,745
You can also walk the 5K, which I think a lot of people will do.

992
01:04:39,844 --> 01:04:42,245
But do your run after your run is over.

993
01:04:42,344 --> 01:04:44,505
You can hang out with the Bitcoiners at Pub Key.

994
01:04:44,764 --> 01:04:45,904
Get a great show.

995
01:04:46,125 --> 01:04:47,364
Get a great burger.

996
01:04:47,825 --> 01:04:48,625
Drink specials.

997
01:04:48,625 --> 01:04:49,724
And Trey will be there.

998
01:04:50,044 --> 01:04:54,024
And that's a great thing for you to go see Trey, pick his brain like I just did,

999
01:04:54,065 --> 01:04:58,005
and see if he can help you where you live if you're outside of D.C.

1000
01:04:58,005 --> 01:05:03,505
Or maybe you want to join Trey and start helping him try to onboard these businesses to Bitcoin.

1001
01:05:04,144 --> 01:05:04,864
Let's do it.

1002
01:05:04,864 --> 01:05:05,404
We'll see.

1003
01:05:18,625 --> 01:05:22,685
But I'm too weak if I ever show the pain

1004
01:05:22,685 --> 01:05:25,325
Stone cold if I lock it all away

1005
01:05:25,325 --> 01:05:28,825
Damned if I do or don't, but you don't see it

1006
01:05:28,825 --> 01:05:31,745
You can't say I'm not trying

1007
01:05:31,745 --> 01:05:34,585
You can't say I'm not trying

1008
01:05:34,585 --> 01:05:38,024
You can't say I'm not doing my best

1009
01:05:38,024 --> 01:05:40,825
Might not be where I want yet

1010
01:05:40,825 --> 01:05:43,065
You can't say I'm not trying

1011
01:05:43,065 --> 01:05:45,845
You can't say I'm not trying

1012
01:05:45,845 --> 01:05:49,245
You can't say I'm not doing my best

1013
01:05:49,245 --> 01:05:52,144
The process, it might be a mess

1014
01:05:52,144 --> 01:05:55,984
But you can't say I'm not trying

1015
01:05:55,984 --> 01:05:59,364
Been doing what I'm supposed to do

1016
01:05:59,364 --> 01:06:02,125
Go to war and get the scars to prove

1017
01:06:02,125 --> 01:06:05,304
Even if I don't win, I'm still fighting

1018
01:06:05,304 --> 01:06:10,644
But I still run even though I lose the race

1019
01:06:10,644 --> 01:06:13,524
Smacked the tears with a smile on my face

1020
01:06:13,524 --> 01:06:16,644
Might hate every song, but I'm still writing

1021
01:06:17,644 --> 01:06:24,284
Can't say I'm not tryin'

1022
01:06:24,284 --> 01:06:26,024
You can't say I'm not doin' my best

1023
01:06:26,185 --> 01:06:28,784
Might not be where it won't yet

1024
01:06:28,924 --> 01:06:32,065
Can't say I'm not tryin'

1025
01:06:32,524 --> 01:06:33,984
You can't say I'm not tryin'

1026
01:06:34,724 --> 01:06:37,205
You can't say I'm not doin' my best

1027
01:06:37,544 --> 01:06:40,044
The process, it might be a mess

1028
01:06:40,044 --> 01:06:43,724
But you can't say I'm not trying

1029
01:06:43,724 --> 01:06:58,113
Just tell me that I doing fine Maybe that I sleep tonight Just tell me that I good enough When I say it I call my own blood Just tell me that I doing fine

1030
01:06:58,113 --> 01:07:00,853
Even if it means you lie

1031
01:07:00,853 --> 01:07:03,733
Just tell me that I'm good enough

1032
01:07:03,733 --> 01:07:07,693
You can't say I'm not trying

1033
01:07:07,693 --> 01:07:10,613
You can't say I'm not trying

1034
01:07:10,613 --> 01:07:14,033
You can't say I'm not doing my best

1035
01:07:14,033 --> 01:07:16,833
Might not be wearable yet

1036
01:07:16,833 --> 01:07:19,033
You can't say I'm not trying

1037
01:07:19,033 --> 01:07:21,793
You can't say I'm not trying

1038
01:07:21,793 --> 01:07:34,553
You can't say I'm not doing my best

1039
01:07:36,633 --> 01:07:39,413
Might not be wearable yet

1040
01:07:39,413 --> 01:07:41,613
You can't say I'm not trying

1041
01:07:41,613 --> 01:07:44,453
You can't say I'm not trying

1042
01:07:44,453 --> 01:07:47,853
You can't say I'm not doing my best

1043
01:07:47,853 --> 01:07:50,753
The process, it might be a mess

1044
01:07:50,753 --> 01:07:54,393
But you can't say I'm not trying

1045
01:08:09,413 --> 01:08:17,153
As I become a free man

1046
01:08:17,153 --> 01:08:21,673
I hold my thought in my hand

1047
01:08:21,673 --> 01:08:26,873
Well, the living don't lead me on

1048
01:08:26,873 --> 01:08:30,753
You know that I'm not that strong

1049
01:08:30,753 --> 01:08:36,273
Well, if I'm born else I can't smile today

1050
01:08:36,273 --> 01:08:39,873
I'm holding everything in the highest way

1051
01:08:39,873 --> 01:08:45,113
And without everything I hold so dear

1052
01:08:45,113 --> 01:08:49,433
Well, everything seems so much clearer

1053
01:09:06,273 --> 01:09:18,473
Well, if I didn't know what else to do

1054
01:09:18,473 --> 01:09:23,153
Well, would you still think they're making through you?

1055
01:09:23,773 --> 01:09:27,733
And if I didn't know what else to say

1056
01:09:27,733 --> 01:09:32,153
Would it truly bring you that much pain?

1057
01:09:32,153 --> 01:09:38,833
There was a walkin' through the dark and sand

1058
01:09:38,833 --> 01:09:42,513
I dropped that thing that was in my hand

1059
01:09:42,513 --> 01:09:47,773
But it doesn't hurt me, so don't worry baby

1060
01:09:47,773 --> 01:09:53,053
Cause I've been here before and I still stand

1061
01:10:02,153 --> 01:10:32,133
Thank you.

1062
01:10:32,153 --> 01:11:02,133
Thank you.

1063
01:11:02,153 --> 01:11:32,133
Thank you.

1064
01:11:32,153 --> 01:11:44,213
Yeah, I'm good at telling lies

1065
01:11:44,213 --> 01:11:47,473
I can see it in your eyes

1066
01:11:47,473 --> 01:11:50,833
The way you look through mine

1067
01:11:50,833 --> 01:11:55,533
You take hold of my desire

1068
01:11:55,533 --> 01:11:59,013
As you occupy my mind

1069
01:11:59,013 --> 01:12:03,173
As you watch the world go by, yeah

1070
01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:37,222
In this world it gets so complicated Suffocated by the time One map with no direction there always chasing

1071
01:12:37,222 --> 01:12:42,642
There's something you can't find, and it's hard to breathe

1072
01:12:42,642 --> 01:12:48,382
And the walls are fading in, where it takes two hours to see

1073
01:12:48,382 --> 01:12:54,462
That the girl I love was known for good at telling lies

1074
01:12:54,462 --> 01:12:57,562
I can see it in your eyes

1075
01:12:57,562 --> 01:13:01,262
The way you look through my eyes

1076
01:13:01,262 --> 01:13:06,142
You take hold of my desires

1077
01:13:06,142 --> 01:13:09,262
You walk you by my mind

1078
01:13:09,262 --> 01:13:12,602
As you watch the world go by

1079
01:13:24,462 --> 01:13:40,542
No good at telling lies, you call me by surprise

1080
01:13:40,542 --> 01:13:43,342
Might take a minute but I think I'm gonna be alright

1081
01:13:43,342 --> 01:13:46,082
It's not the word you say that you're delivering

1082
01:13:46,082 --> 01:13:48,902
And since the moment that I noticed it was over

1083
01:13:48,902 --> 01:13:51,762
For we were to fade, it's all a big illusion

1084
01:13:51,762 --> 01:13:54,682
Just a shadow on the cape for the fuel of my confusion

1085
01:13:54,682 --> 01:13:57,622
Should've known it's just a game, I guess it's my mistake

1086
01:13:57,622 --> 01:14:01,062
At the end of the day, you should've watched the way you're talking to me

1087
01:14:21,762 --> 01:14:23,642
Shove

1088
01:14:23,642 --> 01:14:51,742
Shove

1089
01:14:51,742 --> 01:15:21,722
Thank you.

1090
01:15:21,742 --> 01:15:23,342
in the street

1091
01:15:23,342 --> 01:15:26,622
You're blinded up to say goodbye

1092
01:15:26,622 --> 01:15:28,622
So do I

1093
01:15:28,622 --> 01:15:31,062
Keep it all deep down inside

1094
01:15:31,062 --> 01:15:32,822
So do I

1095
01:15:32,822 --> 01:15:35,222
Keep your memories alive

1096
01:15:35,222 --> 01:15:37,202
So do I

1097
01:15:37,202 --> 01:15:39,702
Feel the pain that will die

1098
01:15:39,702 --> 01:15:42,102
So do I

1099
01:15:42,102 --> 01:15:46,822
So do I

1100
01:15:46,822 --> 01:15:52,862
So you're the only one who sees destruction

1101
01:15:52,862 --> 01:15:57,502
And you're the only one who tells the truth

1102
01:15:57,502 --> 01:16:01,402
You're the only one who smells corruption

1103
01:16:01,402 --> 01:16:06,342
You're the only one who's got the juice

1104
01:16:06,342 --> 01:16:10,462
Walking in a cloud of egotism

1105
01:16:10,462 --> 01:16:14,722
High above the rest of humanism

1106
01:16:14,722 --> 01:16:18,942
Swimming in the sea of self-eviction

1107
01:16:18,942 --> 01:16:22,682
And you're strong enough to face the truth

1108
01:16:22,682 --> 01:16:24,062
Oh, yeah

1109
01:16:24,062 --> 01:16:26,522
You find it hard to say goodbye

1110
01:16:26,522 --> 01:16:28,802
So do I

1111
01:16:28,802 --> 01:16:31,082
Leave it all deep down inside

1112
01:16:31,082 --> 01:16:32,882
So do I

1113
01:16:32,882 --> 01:16:35,182
Your memory's alive

1114
01:16:35,182 --> 01:16:37,082
So do I

1115
01:16:37,082 --> 01:16:39,642
You're gonna pray and don't die

1116
01:16:39,642 --> 01:16:41,802
So do I

1117
01:16:41,802 --> 01:16:43,942
So long do I

1118
01:16:43,942 --> 01:16:48,342
So do I, so do I

1119
01:16:48,342 --> 01:16:52,602
So do I, so do I

1120
01:16:52,602 --> 01:16:56,102
So do I, so do, so do

1121
01:16:56,102 --> 01:16:58,742
I

1122
01:17:13,942 --> 01:17:18,882
Once behind your eyes

1123
01:17:18,882 --> 01:17:21,642
When you're fighting it

1124
01:17:21,642 --> 01:17:24,102
I'm to say goodbye

1125
01:17:24,102 --> 01:17:26,862
Burn it out to say goodbye

1126
01:17:26,862 --> 01:17:28,962
So do I

1127
01:17:28,962 --> 01:17:31,162
Keeping it all deep down inside

1128
01:17:31,162 --> 01:17:33,022
So do I

1129
01:17:33,022 --> 01:17:35,622
Keeping all your memories and lies

1130
01:17:35,622 --> 01:17:37,082
So do I

1131
01:17:37,082 --> 01:17:39,662
Can't breathe and die

1132
01:17:39,662 --> 01:17:41,702
So do I

1133
01:17:41,702 --> 01:18:08,782
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