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Welcome back. Radio Detox in the house with one of my friends. We've got Seth from Zap dot Cooking. He's one of the OG

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nostriches

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and so is Zap Cooking. So welcome, Seth. Thanks, Heather. Thanks for having me.

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Hey, this is, this is great. Cause I wanted to hear your nostril story just to kick things off. Cause you were just a tried and true nostrich

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all the way, Seth. Well, kind words.

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I began my nostril journey in

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February,

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so it'll be coming up on three years, February 2023.

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And I was in the class that, I think Jack Dorsey had tweeted about, Domus.

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And I was like, oh, what's that? And just the sort of

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structure of it just, you know,

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was attractive. And I was like, oh, let's continue down this path.

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Never really like a huge social media buff or like trying to be famous or anything like that.

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Just the design of it was so intriguing and it was just a place for curious people to congregate

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and learn a little bit. And it was like this new frontier and three years later, here we are. Here we are. Totally different world and building in a new direction.

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I joined too, but I got on and went, what is this? And I bounced and I didn't come back until November

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2023.

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So did you get on February 2023 and then you stayed from that point on?

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Yeah. Yeah. I think it was like right when Domus was released.

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So Domus was like a pretty, you know, user friendly client. It wasn't as as janky as some of the original Nostra clients and it was a mobile app on and I have Apple device. So it worked and it was like, woah, this is cool. And then, you know, it just reminded me of like the early days of the internet whenever people were talking in chat rooms and there was just pure real strangers across from each other, not like filtered strangers. Right? Right. And you could just have a conversation about anything. And it was just like this, like free feeling of of like coming over to this this place where you could just talk about anything. And, and then Zaps came along and original lightning invoicing and it just became a fun place to be.

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And

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you came over from Twitter.

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So what,

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you immediately quit Twitter or did that happen at a later time?

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No, it was a, it was a little bit later. Twitter became,

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liken it to Twitter's like the destructive side of the Internet. And maybe there's good reason for it. Right? The the political system was a little shaky at best and Twitter just sort of pushed it over the edge and

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but it it really became everything,

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you know, was about politics and getting politicized

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over there. So I I call it like the destructive network. So it's like breaking things down.

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And then Noster on the flip side is more like a constructive network where people are just building new things and just bolting on, you know, new ideas and it's all coming together here.

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Now were you like a Bitcoin Twitter kind of guy before Noster?

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Not I don't know. I I think it's kind of cringe to even like be like, you know, in the Bitcoin Twitter group. Right? Like I get that it's community that exists but I mean, I followed

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different people, I guess, is probably safe to say. I, you know, I I followed all sorts of people from technologists to philosophers to, you know, some Bitcoin Twitter people. And,

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you know, I I got into Bitcoin in like 2019,

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right around the pandemic because

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it was like obvious something was happening and, know, all this money stuff was about to change.

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you know, I just kept going down the rabbit hole with that and then, you know, just eventually,

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you know, a couple years later, lead me to Nostr and it just they fit well together, you know, like a a good puzzle piece. It just clicks

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and and it seems to work here on Noster as in Bitcoin.

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It just it just works. So you've been around for three years. At what point did you say, you know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna make Zapdot Cooking. I'm gonna I'm gonna do this this I want my own Noster app. Because I think that in the early days, that's a lot stronger that you did that then than like, now everybody's got it. I've got apps, you know, and I don't have an app as good as app cooking, but you know, like what led to that?

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Yeah, it was a really, it was in the early days we used to talk all the time and nostril nests and, and we

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would just, a lot of us were working from home and we would have these conversations,

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you know, online during the day and people would just talk about different things about setting up lightning addresses and, and and, you know, different internet related sort of things. And the idea of like domain names came up and we're talking about domain names and DNS and all that sort of hot nerd talk and Hot nerd talk should be an app. Duck and and the idea was about, oh, we got this Noster thing, it might catch on so let's go get some Noster related

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domains. It could be big someday. So I was just literally looking for

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Anything,

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know, and just sort of exploring different ideas and noster.cooking was available. I'm like, people like to eat so let's try this and

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and then I put a bounty out there for this is pre vibe coding days. And so I put a bounty out there to work with a developer

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and got in touch with a developer named Teal and he built the first

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Cooking and

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and it was born. Right? And it's it's taken on several iterations, several developers, you know, worked with a lot of different people over the last three years who've contributed

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it's, you know, it's kind of a Nostra community

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staple. You know, a lot of people go there for recipes and sharing food culture and different things and so it's pretty cool. Gotta eat.

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Gotta cook. I've been Everyone's hungry.

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Nothing I've made lately is worthy of being on Zapdot Cooking. I've been very lazy lately where it's like, well, let's throw it all in a pan. Well, the best arguably one of the top recipes on the site is Bevo's Worcester and Chips which is literally a bag of Lay's and some Worcester sauce and mix it up and

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think that's where I'm girl dinner. I think that's where I'm at, where it's like, ew, we used to call it an angry meal growing up where like, it was just, you threw everything in a pan and just like prayed. Was like, it was, it was, if your spouse was angry, they made you an angry meal, which is just throwing random things from a fridge into a pan. That's what I've been doing lately. I'm making like random angry meals and girl dinner. Well, nothing wrong with that. I mean, you know, it's life.

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It's all good. Life. It is.

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There's there. I have good recipes that I should put on zap. Cooking that come from like now defunct food magazines and, you know, things that I just I don't make because I don't have I don't know. I don't make the time to cook. I I'm not gonna say I don't have time to cook. I just don't make the time and I don't prioritize it. But if I did cook, there are some good things that I could put on Zapdoc Cooking, which is kind of the point of it is to share and share alike. And, and I love that the most popular recipe is chips. I can get behind that.

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Simple as easy, you know, but that's the cool thing is, you know, it's, it is a peer to peer network and people are sharing with other plebs and it's,

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you know, a beautiful thing.

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If people have never seen Zapdot Cooking before, like, how does it work and what what makes it different from there there being like a million, I don't know, recipe blogs out there that you're going to Google a recipe and then you've got to read about somebody's like grandma's

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life story to get to the recipe.

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Yeah. Well, that was intentional, you know, behind,

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all of this was let's make something that's simple, that is easy for people to use,

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that you don't have to go through the whole,

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you know, Christmas tale

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of how, you know, it came to be. Now we can include that, but we just don't lead with that. We have sections for notes and stuff like that. It can, it can be there, but yeah. It can be there, but it's not Top of it. Out front and center. And you know what? I swear to, I swear to God. Cause I do like research on, you know, other, what competitors are doing in like the cooking space. Right? And this one, I was looking up a recipe and I shit you not. I had

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19 ads. I counted them. Teen ads on one recipe page.

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Yeah. It was crazy. Some were shooshed cooking.

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Like none as I look at my ZapTalk cooking. Because I can zap things, you know? And like, I like how you've got the new the new website is is really awesome. And, you know what? I think I know who made the I'm gonna look. Hang on. I bet. Great. That's

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recipe. All right, because I thought that might be my friend Heidi's recipe for ground beef birria.

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All right, so it's got a 500 sats zapped to it. I can see

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traditional Mexican stew, fifteen minutes cook time, five minutes prep time. See, I I can get behind that. So shout out to our friend JBN,

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for having that recipe up there. But, yeah, there's a there's a good

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I mean, like, the first things that come up look really delicious and and like food I would actually make. I don't see the chips in the in the Worcester sauce though.

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Yeah. They're they're somewhere in the menu. It's somewhere in there, but yeah, it's it's it's a made made the literal cream rise. We can zap your your top recipes. We can zap them to the top maybe. Is that how it works? No.

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I mean, there's still some logic to build into that. Right now we have curated recipes. So we group it by like categories and,

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and, and types of recipes, which are on the explore page. Then we have essentially all our recent recipes in order of what they've recently been submitted. So if you're submitting a fresh one, you're usually, you know, there's a way to be top of the page. And we encourage those new recipes to come on over and get

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Is cooking your passion, Seth? You know, I'm not like, there are people that are passionate about it. I have a friend who's like a chef and like, it's like his job and even likes to do it like on the side. Now I like That's to cook crazy. And I'm a good cook. I'm a probably a natural cook. You know what I mean? Like, I can Mhmm. I can put stuff together, you know, with that garbage meal, I can make it nice and pretty, you know. But, yeah, I I I mean, I I certainly,

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you know, I grew up in a family. Both my parents were good cooks, know, always had good soup, stuff like that.

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I don't know if it's controversial

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or it's just gotten attention, but I'm looking at the pizza beans recipe right now

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that you put up. Daniel was talking

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smack about it for a minute there and I saw he made it.

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He's converted. Yeah. I mean, it'll lure you in. It's funny,

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you know, you're like, pizza beans. And it's got a funny sound of name, pizza beans, right? But yeah, it's,

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it's like, you know, there's an attraction to it. It's like, okay, pizza beans, And next thing you know, you're, you're scooping up some pizza beans cause you're like, yeah, you know,

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that's the thing. Like, I have like a recipe desert that I've been living in where I'm just making easy food rather than

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good food or tasty food. I'm just, I'm eating for fuel because I'm on a fitness

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kick and I'm just like, oh, I'm gonna eat the healthy food and I'll just suck it up. You know, I'm not gonna eat anything fancy. I don't have time to make anything fancy. Most things I make are slow cooker kinds of things and,

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or I'll just, I live in the slow cooker and the air fryer, so I'm gonna need to find, like, the the slow we need, like, a slow cooker page for me. But a pizza bean, so

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a fast family friendly dinner that's as satisfying as it is simple. Just beans, marinara sauce, and cheese. You can have a bubbling cheesy pizza inspired casserole on the table in about twenty minutes. This is good stuff. Quick and easy. I know QW love it. Has yeah. Okay. QW's recipes are on here somewhere. I'm gonna have to look him up because I know that his his wife is an amazing cook.

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And so I've gotta figure out, like, I know they put recipes on here, like, over the years. Yeah. I'm I'm sure he's he's got a few on there. Like we all know people have recipes on zap.cooking.

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So here's what's interesting to me that you mentioned is that like three years ago, kind of embarked on this journey of going to developers,

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putting up a bounty and saying, Hey, I'll pay you to make this cooking website.

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2026,

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it's kind of a different ball game. Like you can just vibe code this. Like you can just, with the AI tools we have now, you can just kind of do this yourself.

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Is that kind of the path that it's, I mean, I kind of know the answer to this question, but I want you to explain it to people

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watching or listening, like how, how is this different now? Are you doing this yourself?

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I, I am for the most part. Daniel's

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contributing a lot too. Actually, he was responsible

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for the wallet integration.

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So big kudos to him. Actually, and, you know, going way back, he was the designer

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of the logo here. Yeah. Because it was originally Nostradot Cookie and I put this sort of crappy,

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like,

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know, what was the word

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doc, know, like boomer type thing. I'm putting like stickers up together and stuff.

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it was like sort of last minute and I went to Bitcoin Park. It was there for the first Nostradok

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And it was, I had some magnets to give away. So there's a couple OGs. I think QW still has his.

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Nostraville Cooking original magnet, which

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someday on eBay, I think these things are gonna command a premium. You might wanna Someday.

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The original Noster cooking site was noster.cooking.

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Was that the original Nosterville Nosterville one at Bitcoin Park Nashville?

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maybe it was 2023 towards the fall, I think. Would have had to been because I we just had the third one. Went to the third one in Nashville. I didn't go to the first two, but I went to the third one. So there's a little Nostril history folks of like,

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Nostril started out as a thing that you could just build on, provided you made friends with a dev or paid a dev a bounty.

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And then, you know, now Noster is something you can build on yourself.

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That's the three year

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arc that has happened. It's kind of Yeah. Imagine where we're going to be in three more years.

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I can't. You know? Like, I can't even fathom where this will be in three years because look,

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look at how much has happened in just three years. You know, three years ago was I probably just on

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think the, like the essential difference with Noster is that people are, first of all, it attracts creative and curious people. So the people that are there, everyone you interact with, you know, you got a handful of trolls, but for the most part, like the real genuine people are just like real people and they're really curious and there's like no facade and it's just like, Hey, I'm here and I'm kind of exploring what this is. Right?

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So like we have this natural tendency to have these like creative people and builders like together and, and you know, some people are building music, some people are building websites, some people are building relationships, some people are building conferences,

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podcasts, you name it. So it's, it's really a builder's economy on, on Noster.

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I've grown fascinated lately with people who, I think there's a, in our, in our cohort of of Noster folk, I think that there's a good chunk of us who have now left the fiat minds to work in Bitcoin and or Noster full time. And I've been fascinated with that lately.

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Who's done it? Who wants to do it? Is there interest in people wanting to do it? And how are they finding opportunities? Because there's kind of a few little,

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I don't know, freelance kind of work websites

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popping up. And of course there's like bitcoinerjobs.com,

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which I think is probably the most popular way to find a Bitcoin job. But I think that that's one thing that fascinates me right now, other than the vibe coding is like, we all have this conviction of like, we want to be in this space, at least like full time doing this. And then it kind of becomes a conflict

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between,

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you know, the day job or the career that we've had. And then we all kind of want to like jump over, maybe not all of us, but some people want to jump over

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into working completely in this space. And I don't, I don't know if that is more possible

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yet. I think it kind of depends on what you want to do, but I don't know. That's one of my fascinations as well. As well as people like yourself that make apps, You're like, you're it's not just zap.cooking.

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you're making things that you wanna see in the world. And you're doing that on Noster because it's open source. It's pretty easy. I mean, you could have just made Zap cooking, like you could have made a cooking website, but you made a Noster cooking website

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specifically. And I don't know if you want to speak to the difference between like, yeah, I could have just made a recipe blog, but I chose Noster specifically because

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was there any certain reason or set of reasons that kind of led you that way? Well, yeah. I mean, it's it's the full architecture.

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I mean, it's the portable

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identity.

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It's the interoperability.

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It's that you can post your recipes on Zap Cooking and then you can go over to Thomas and read

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through and see your recipe over there as a note. Or, you know, you can go to Yocohone and, and, you know, read different articles and then come across your recipe there. Or it's just, you know,

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it and also, let's not forget that we have Bitcoin integrated into everything, you know, all the sort of Yeah. Web three promises

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and all this kind of stuff that was happening in like crypto space and crypto ville. It was all just like this,

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you know, theoretical concept

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and, you know, some had some working models, but it was always clunky and unclear

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about what the heck token you're dealing with.

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And here on Noster, it's just simple. Right? It's just like, you know, Lightning integration

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and and and Bitcoin. And it's just like, keep it simple. Right? And then, you know, build on top of that. We have all these,

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you know, different apps with, Cashew and, you know, big opportunities on the upside, but it's all all Bitcoin. And we know it works. It's fundamentally just a good design.

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It brings together, like you said, like the most creative kind of innovative people. And here's

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not just a cooking website, but a cooking website with all of our friends. And, you know, you can see everybody on Noster's

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recipes and, you know, that's just, it's a com it's another way to feel community. I'll,

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So, you know, not only do we have the recipe, you know, aspect of the website, but we have the community aspect, which is, you know, I do a client side filtering

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for food related posts and food related notes, which pops up there. More recently we've, we're making a step towards community based relays.

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So I text you before this and I, I said, you're in I'm the garden

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in the garden. What's the guard? I was like, what is this? What garden am I in? This is a new feature. Well, you're in the garden and the garden is a, a Zap cooking relay and it is a pyramid

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style relay. So there's a lot of functionality

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and flexibility that you can do with this type of relay. You can sort of toggle in between all these conversations.

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You can have like group chats within the members of the relay.

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There's a lot of creative things you can do and right now it's just sort of baseline

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where there's I think like seven people that are on the Relay and and what you can do is you can invite people onto the Relay. There's a there's a garden.zap.cooking

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you can go and log in and you can invite

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people under your name and so you can bring them into the Relay and into the conversation. So it's a curated conversation but it's it's curated through the Relay

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So pretty cool and you know, I'm pretty excited to sort of build in that direction direction with with some of those things.

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This is happening upon this podcast because it's radio detox. Right? We're detoxing you off of all of the the fiat things that are horrible that people hate from Twitter to Spotify to artists not getting paid on Spotify,

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all of the old ways of doing things that kind of Bitcoin and Nostr together, these open protocols are solving. So if you're listening to this and you're like,

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basically what you can do is if you do nothing else on Nostr, you could do Zapdot Cooking. Like if all you want to do on the internet is food,

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then you got Zapdocooking.

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Like you don't even have to get on any of the other apps if you don't want to. Like if you just want to, you know, cruise for recipes,

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maybe contribute recipes,

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you know, like this could start like a whole new thing to where people just like foodies can just be foodies and they don't have to worry about getting into a feed where maybe they see

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politics

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or, you know, Bitcoin content that they don't want to see. I mean, this is just food

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cooking. Yeah. And, you know, there's there's television shows about cake out there, you know, specific food

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Baking shows that Right. And so many of them like, here's the like,

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child's baking show in London. I mean, like

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It's like, can't wait till the Malaysia version comes out. Right. They they it's like the Real Housewives too. They just keep coming up with new intro titles.

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And people will watch them and stuff. Sometimes I watch the baking shows, I confess. I never bake anything,

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cleanse. Like, you don't eat food, but you know, it's, it's a good, I don't know. Just kind of clear the head, watch a baking show. It

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reset. It's like eating the ginger after the, you know,

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the sushi or whatever. Watch some expert person make some fancy,

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15 tiered cake with marzipan

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and figurines made out of melted M and M's or something. I don't know. But it's just like things that I will never do. You know, don't think I'll even buy a box of cupcake mix and and do that. I've got all this stuff Maybe on that's a secret.

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Like, you know, I like watching, you know, college football or NFL, but I'm I'm not gonna get out and play it. But, know, it's like,

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the queen of watching television shows about cooking when my mother was alive. She did not miss a Julia Child.

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Yang can't cook. I mean, I could go

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mentally list every

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TV show, probably like every cooking show of the eighties and nineties, I could probably list off. If you gave me enough time, it would be like a nice cognitive test, right? I could list them all because she watched them all. This woman could not cook a damn thing, Seth. She would microwave

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every If it couldn't be micro I mean, this is like back in the day, we didn't have air fryers. My mother couldn't figure out how to turn on an oven. Okay? She probably couldn't turn on a burner. I think she microwaved

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everything

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my entire life, but she did not miss a cooking show.

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Yeah. Was gonna say that there was a generational, you know, who was committed to the microwave. You know, I get that.

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The boomer generation. I I grew that was like the first skill I was taught as a human being was when I could reach the countertop of this. Here's how you microwave your food. I'm done taking care of you.

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Gen X. It was like we're feral. It was like, yeah. Here's here's some frozen auger pops and you can reach the microwave. I'm going to work. You'll be fine. That that was what happened

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my generation.

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But no, we love Zapdot Cooking. I think sometimes we forget

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on Noster, you know, this is this is the tirade I've been on this week and and it will probably last because this is this is my moment with Noster this week is that

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we're making a lot of app. We have smart people making apps for other smart people. When what we need is more Zap cooking. We need more websites that people are going to use who are like, forgive me for saying it so harshly, but we need more apps for the stupid people. Like the average people, the people who aren't like,

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you know, like, like, oh my god, make me an app for Or the the people who passionate about cooking.

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Like, we just we need more things to bring people into the doctor that are just freaking normal, you know, like, like everybody eats, everybody cooks. I mean, and you have like a whole, I would say sweet of these actually.

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one of the things, I mean, gotta, we gotta remind ourselves is that, you know, it is about building community and, and

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Noster is small, so we have this sort of the big feeds or, you know, the people you follow.

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already a lot, a lot of interaction and engagement, but, but you know, to get users over to Nostra, we gotta simplify it, you know, make it attractive. Right? We gotta compete with the folks who are making, you know, regular apps in the app store and say, we're just going to do it better. Right? Like I, and like the user shouldn't even know that Nostr is on the back end of it and they should just be able to interact with it and say, this is really cool. You know? And, and This is awesome.

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Works great, answers all my questions, helps me cook, helps helps me not make angry meals and girl dinners and throw cleaning out the fridge and throwing it into a pan and just turning it on and seeing what happens. Like, there's there's a tiramisu recipe. Like, if I wanna make tiramisu, I can get one on zap.cooking.

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Ability to create that community around food. It's it's especially across the miles, like we're at different sides of the country. I dig it to meet you in real life. This last October,

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2025, got to go to state college, go to Noster Valley, got to see you in person with Derek. You guys, putting on the Noster Valley. We're doing it again this year, right? We're gonna all reconvene and.

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We're gonna do it again this year.

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you know, to be determined for a final.

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Know, this is, this was our second year and,

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you know, each year,

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both of them were, I I think successful.

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that's the place to be.

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Was good because I don't know. I didn't I didn't know the area very well. I'm a I'm a very West Coast person. I know I know the West Coast, Western side of the country really well, but I don't know the East Coast at all. And it was it was so cool to have people who were driving out from like New York DC area. People drove out from all over Pennsylvania to come hang out with us in in state college. And that was just so awesome too. And, and, and coming from Arizona, I was like stunned by the beauty of it and how nice and how calm it was. And it just, that little area there, it just felt like being a hallmark movie. I loved it. It was a nice little break for me.

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Yeah. No, it's a pretty time of year in Pennsylvania.

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Was very cool. So we'll do it again this year. Okay. I want to kind of highlight a couple of the other apps that you have made because Zapdoc Cooking is not the only one. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but the next two apps we'll talk about actually came about because of Vibe Coding. Right?

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possible. And so like, let's start with Grateful Day because that is one that you just kind of do every day. Like you put a little gratitude

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on Nostril every single day, Seth. Well, it started as an idea. Right? And forever since I've been on Nostril, I've been

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posting these, not every morning, but you know, most mornings I post these, what I call my daily readers. So I've got, I'm surrounded by books. I got physical books. I got Kindle books and

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I like these sort of just morning wake up and you know, have this rhythm I've, I've sort of programmed myself to when I wake up, I let the dogs out and then I stand outside

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and wait for them to do their dog things. And I just, you know, give gratitude for the day. And it's always like

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interesting to sort of discover like what you're grateful for. Cause you go through like the handful of stuff, I'm thankful for my house and my family and you know, this and that and

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then you sort of run out and then like on garbage day, it's like, thankful I'm grateful for the garbage people that come pick up my garbage because you know, and so,

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so I've been doing that just kind of using some of these, these, readings as guide and, and I was like, well, why don't I just build a, an app that where I can just wake up every morning and, know, sort of do a daily affirmation

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for, you know, gratitude practices and maybe somebody else will benefit. So this

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for it and it's, it goes through each day and there's a little circle that goes around and, and sort of throughout the year. It has a daily reflection and a daily affirmation. And then you can post your, you know, what you're grateful for this day and you can share it to Nostras of Kind one or I have a specific kind,

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which is like, I think it's a 3669

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or something like that, is, you know, just playing around with it, but I've been using it for a couple months now.

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I like it as a day, daily sort of GM

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protocol because it's, you know, it gets that gratitude fix in there as well. But you know, it's web based now. I'm gonna try to continue to build out more. This year I'm hoping Zap Cooking is steps away from approval in the app Store and then we'll be on Android and

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things are great

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and I and I I do kinda like the nostalgia of it and the simplicity of it. But you know, at the end of the day, are on their phones, on mobile apps

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things are goal should be

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and get people off of that and get onto these new type of apps that are just different. Right. And they're community based, but they're different.

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Yeah. It's so funny. One day I was in Target and I have my shopping list. It's on my phone as I would think people would have a shopping list on their phone. And the lady in Target stopped me because she thought I was one of those delivery people who was like putting together an order. Because she just saw me like staring at my phone and walking around and putting things in my cart. And she was like, Oh, are you like it with DoorDash? And I was like, No, I have a to do list. I have like a list on my phone. I was like, Look, like I have a list program to so I can like go through and check things off in the store when I buy them. And then hopefully I don't forget things because I'll I won't go to Target three times a week and still forget to buy toilet paper, you know? And it'll be like the one thing and I

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I'll forget it. Right? Because it's just human life and,

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you know, modern life. We can't remember shit, but we have more tools at our disposal than ever, right? But she thought, because

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that's, I guess that's what people in stores are doing now. I'm like, really? Like people aren't just in here with like a grocery list or they're not just in here with like a recipe, like trying to like find the food going in and out of the aisles. She was like, no, everybody's like

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DoorDash or Instacart.

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so weird.

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Like, and she just reminded me of that. Cause I was like, do people not shop for food themselves? Apparently not. I guess I guess that it makes well, I've also heard that, like, a whole generation doesn't wanna have cars, so probably not. Like, the whole gen z not wanting my niece and nephew have cars. They want to drive. So I don't know if that's true. If my kids are

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the ones to judge you We're mixed place for it.

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live in weird times. You know, definitely interesting times.

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you know, behaviors have changed and you're gonna have sort of the divide. You're gonna have like, there's people that are out there doing runster and hiking and being active and then there's people that are, you know, on their, you know, meta hang sets and not leaving the house.

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Oh, yeah. You got all sorts of different kinds. Takes all kinds as my grandmother would say. Was it was funny. Like one of the first things people wanted to build when we launched Shakespeare was people were like, we could build the the Uber version of Noster. And I was like, Oh my God, is that really the first thing people are thinking of? Like, I didn't expect That

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was weird to me. I was like, we have Uber and Lyft and well, I live in Phoenix, so there's lot of Waymo. And so I'm like, okay, so I

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don't see that happening until Nostra would have to be

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so popular to where that would make sense. You could

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create an app that would be on par with Uber or Lyft or Waymo, but I don't think we're there yet. I think right now it feels more like you'd be doxing your location.

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Like, that might be a little scary.

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Know, like, I love my strangers on the internet,

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but I don't want you to know where to pick me up. Like that's

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my boundary for right now. But I have met a lot of you in real life. I'm certainly going to events the last couple years. You're one of the cool people I got to meet IRL.

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And I think the gratitude thing is

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an important practice.

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Brings community. And then you're putting gratitude on Noster,

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which is great. And like you have such a solid gratitude process or practice. I mean, like that's awesome that you share it with us.

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You know, think you wake up a lot earlier than I do, so I don't always see them. People don't realize that Doster's chronological.

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So like if Seth wakes up on the East Coast and he does his gratitude practice, I'm probably still asleep and I don't always see the note. Unless like I do get up really early sometimes though. Sometimes I see them. So you also have an app called SoberKey.

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So you're one of my sober brothers. So I'm so glad that there's this weird phenomenon

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in Noster and Bitcoin where there's a lot of us who are sober folks,

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which but I wanna hear how

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you decided to kind of create a sober app. You're you're not the only person that came up with one of these sober apps, but you're one of the the people who I think,

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like it's, it's public though. Like anyone can use it? Yeah. Yeah. It's soberkey.org.

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And it's, you know, the concept behind it and one of the cool things about Noster in general is that, you know, it's architecture is sort of like, like one of the the the

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founding of like AA is a purely

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decentralized network that doesn't have any CEO, it doesn't have any, you know, boss.

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People can just spin up their own little network wherever they are,

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and word gets around. Right? And and it works. So the idea was to just sort of overlay that with,

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you know, sobriety and try to just give a space for people to have conversations about that, you know, sort of in a 12 step modeled

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way. And, and it's, it's sort of basic right now. I'd like to put some more time into that later on in the year as time allows to try to build that up again, going mobile first and then even sell it, not sell it, but like, you know, pitch it to,

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you know, people who need it.

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People who, you know, they're like even services and things like that. And just offer them a tool for people to connect and communicate about, you know, their, their own journey.

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And then, you know, build some other tools along the way, similar to like the gratitude practice, find ways to frame it in, you know, a way that's asking some people to do the 12 step program, have like private journaling, stuff like that. So there's a lot of potential to continue to build out with it, but you know, the the idea was sort of set out there and laid the groundwork and

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just gotta keep building on it and making it better and getting the word out there.

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nature of how AA began and what it is like, it's more than 85 years old now. You know, this process

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that works where it's kind of democratic,

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you know, there's no ruler, there's no company, there's no CEO. It's the same thing as Dumpster.

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And that's like, that's the culmination of radio detox right there. Is that we can detox off of all of the big systems. Like life does not have to be this hub and spoke wheel where there's a central thing that rules all of the extensions

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of it. Know? Like if it worked for Alcoholics Anonymous to the point that everybody built on Alcoholics Anonymous, like there's now Narcotics Anonymous,

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Overeaters Anonymous. There's also Al Anon came out of AA and

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Noster's a very similar kind of vibe where it's like, if think

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it needs to exist, you just make it and you make it on Noster. It's kind of very similar. It's oddly similar.

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The undercurrent of like

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sobriety that goes with Bitcoiners that goes with

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not to say all Bitcoiners are sober by any means, but there's such a weird I don't know. You find

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people like us that like, we just think differently. And maybe we went down to a dark place and had an addiction,

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and then we got sober. And then we

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found

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Bitcoin, and then we got sober off the fiat world. And then after that,

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along came Nostril. And then we could get sober off of well, what we thought we were getting sober off of was just Twitter. Right? And we thought we were, you know, detoxing off of social media. But then the deeper we went into Nostr, we realized, we

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can actually

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build things on Noster. Like it's not just social media. Like we built Runster and we built,

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you know, and like now it has taken on a totally different meaning. So I think going forward, it's like, people can come in. They have nothing to do. They don't have to have anything to do with Bitcoin or Noster.

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They don't even need to know that these are kind of like the rails we built this on. They can just be like, oh cool. This guy made a cool gratitude

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app and he made a cooking app and he made a sobriety app and I can use all of these things. And it's just kind of, you find your community. Like if you want to be a sober and or a grateful person, there's apps for that. If you want to get into cooking and build community around recipes, like we've got an app for that. You know, that's I think kind of the cool thing

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as we

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evolve and what started out as I hate social media has become, oh, hey, we can get away from really big

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decentralized

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things that have, you know, 20 ads when you go to the webpage.

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It was kind of an interesting Yeah. Well evolution. But social media was like any technology, right? The telephone or anything, right? It has two sides to it where it can be, you know, used in that constructive way. And then there are, you know, the bad sides to it. And I think we had to go through the bad sides, you know, with the Twitter and the banning and and even like the Facebook and the ads and, you know, how normalized.

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And I think people are starting to wake up to it a little bit. Think that there is this renaissance of

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sort of like breaking away from, you know, mega corp when it comes to,

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you know, some of the big well, I don't know. May you know, maybe TikTok still has a a stronghold on people, but I feel like, you know, out there and maybe it's because I don't see it, but you know, people are breaking away from,

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you know, and

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Instagrams and all

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those sort of surveillance technologies that, you know, were too normalized and people are starting to see through it.

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Well, know, you get different

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email every day about, Oh, your password or your email or whatever was in a data breach. I do anyway. I get them all the time now. I can't even keep up on them. Know, I pay for identity

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theft protection and that's why I'm getting all these emails all the time because I've got something monitoring it, but it's like, damn,

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you know, I'm, I must be in every honeypot from the last twenty years of the internet being what it It's

365
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yeah. I know. It's it's the downfall being of that generation where it's like,

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you know, we we we sort of, we're the first ones on the internet pioneering it out of the gate and then watched it get captured. Now I think we're breaking through to a new renaissance where

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we're building this new type of it's a tall order. Right? You're building a whole new internet. Right? But I think that's really what's going on. And

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people were eventually gonna, you know, see it and break through. We're just, we're building the rooms and like we're asking people just come hang out with us. Come hang out. Put up a put up a recipe, know, and also like come to our things. Like there's events all around the country and, you know, use the apps. We need users

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to give feedback and, you know, just to kind of Nostra's still very new. And I think some of the kinks are being worked out, but also like there's not a lot of kinks now like there used to be. Like things have gotten

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just a lot better.

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And I think vibe coding helping with that. And okay, so you've been to well, host Noster Valley because you're in the, you know, Eastern Seaboard area. And so that's, that's your thing. And you've been to Nosterville.

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Have you been to any other Noster events around the country or around the world? Well, coming up, I'm going to be at Noster Nights coming up in

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February 2, a couple of weeks. So,

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but yeah, yeah, down in Nashville. But outside of that, I have not been traveled

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to other events. I've had other Bitcoin meetups. But the Noster specific ones only been a handful.

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Okay,

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cool. So now But certainly, you know, this year, looking forward to making, making it to more of them. Getting out there more. Yeah, we need more Seth in the world. Think because you're Seth is very chill, very balanced, always good to talk to Seth. And more people need to realize that it's like a lot of people like Seth, and it's not just all like, I don't know, like

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Bitcoin

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influencers

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or like, I don't I don't know what people perceive Nostrad to be, but I think people need to see that it's just normal people. Damn it, Seth, you're normal. You're like on an even keel. You're you're normal and chill. NPC right here. Yeah. You're such

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I wouldn't go that far.

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You're you're you're still one of my people. Right? You're still I don't think you can be an NPC beyond

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Noster. I think you broke the ball with that one. Yeah, I

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think Noster's getting ready to get beyond the purple wall, which is a good thing.

385
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Okay. So that leads me to my next question. So like when it comes to like value for value music

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and kind of like experience like the music side of Noster,

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like you haven't been like physically to I think a lot of shows, but I think you've probably watched some online or

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Like to see Ainsley live in State College at an impromptu

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show. Yeah, that's right. We threw her on stage at that cidery, which was an amazing cidery. What was the cidery called? Cider cider works?

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Eight one four cidery.

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Eight one four Cidery. And there was these

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guys were playing, and we were like,

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hey, go ask him. Like, go ask him if he can jump on stage and and, know, use use their guitar. I think she had her own guitar, like, in the car, though. But it just became an impromptu

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show. And with Ainsley, and I think we put videos of it on Noster, because I we didn't like live

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stream it to Noster. It was it was that spontaneous. It was it was not planned.

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Yeah. Literally,

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we're sitting around a fire and

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somebody's like, hey, Ainsley, you wanna play?

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He's like, okay. I think it was Derek started that. I think Derek

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instigated as as Derek does. And and Ainsley was like, I don't know. Because they they've just been driving in, I don't know, from DC, which I guess is not that far. But

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isn't it like a couple hours, State College to DC? But I was like, you don't have to. And she's like, no, I can do this. I can do

402
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a medley. I'm like Sabrina Carpenter and

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so and so. And I was like, okay.

404
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Ainsley just like, she she took it off. Like, like, she took off running with it. Like, okay, I'll do it.

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Spontaneous I got my extra car. I got I'll I'll put it together. And it was fun. It was just one of those, I don't know, fun things that I do you think that we got people It was like one of those moments like you had to be there, right? Like Yeah. Like one of those moments in time, you just had to be there. Like you can't explain it, you'd like the feeling was just like, okay,

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this is unique, we're not gonna do this again, and like you had to have been there, right? It was just a moment of time. It it it was a it was a special moment. And do do you think that people there at the cidery who

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didn't know, like, it was a gathering of, like, Nostril people? Do you think that, like, anybody there became Nostril curious because, like, here's this weird group of people who just like got really excited about throwing a person on stage?

408
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Yeah. Right. Well, I did see some cameras out like sneaking through like, you know, like we're we're watching. Yeah. Right? And trying to do recording and stuff.

409
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Yeah. The hard thing about, like, selling Noster, I I think it needs to sell itself a little bit, like, mute through music or,

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you know, recipes or or whatever. Right? Mhmm. Because it's hard to sell people. I know Derek and I were out a couple weeks ago trying to pitch a stranger about, you know, joining Noster and I took a pic picture of my cheesesteak and like put it on Noster and like, you know, tell my friend that we can and like 60 people zapped me or something like that. Still not convinced. It's like Yeah.

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People just have their they'll discover it when they're ready. They're like, cool story, bro. Okay. Did you see the game last night? You know? It's it's like that.

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It's like,

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you know, do you are you like a big consumer of the, I don't know, for lack of better term, value for value music?

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Are you are you into that ecosystem?

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Yeah. I'll tell you what.

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I love the Fountain app so, so great and they have the different tracks that are down there. So it's like a cool way to just discover new music. And like we were talking earlier, like some of this music that's on Noster, it, you know, is really good. And it it's like really good original music. And it's like that nineties style, it feels like at least some of the artists. Right? Yeah.

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A little bit of that, but like he there's such a mix of different different things.

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I was listening to a song like Mookie, I think it is, low light. Yeah. There's a good tune.

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Lil Lil Joe Martin had had him on earlier today.

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There's this new artist out there named Haley who I've been really liking some of her.

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I think it's like a

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There man and a woman combo. But I think.

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A duo. Yeah. Yeah. They really good, like, kinda soft, melodic music.

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Like, yoga music. Like, every song they have, I could put on a play I could just play every song they have. I could make a playlist of it. It would be perfect for me teaching yoga. That's that's something Yeah. It's that a vibe, man. Yeah.

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They're they're very good. I I need to meet now you're they're gonna have to be on radio detox. I'm gonna chase them down. I'm gonna stalk them. Was one time Bring them gather, bring them on. Bring them on the show, bring them on radio detox. I used to play,

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I would try to play as much value verse kind of music

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in my yoga classes.

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And I would go around to different apartments. I would teach yoga at apartments because, they would contract us to come in and teach classes. So they even had cooking classes, but I didn't teach cooking classes. But I would teach yoga classes and then like,

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I don't know, like people would show up and, or, you know, random groups of people would show up. And so I would usually not see people too many times in a row. Like I wouldn't be repeat people because it was just like an added value thing at the apartment complex. So like, it was kind of transient, never knew who was going to show up, but I would be like, you know what, let me just like, I'll play, I'll give it my all. I'll teach a class. I'll play some value verse music off of Wave Lake. And I remember teaching one day, one student showed up and I played my yoga playlist from Wave Lake that I'd created. And like, I think one of the songs was Ainsley. But I was, I was like, well, hey, what'd you think of the music during class? You know, like just out of curiosity. She was like, that was, that was really good. And like, and it was one of those things where I was like, well, this is, this is music and it's free. You know, you can just download this app, this Wave Lake app, and you can listen to this music and here's the artist. It was kind of like, you know, this was I think before this

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backlash

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hit over Spotify. There's a lot of Spotify

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backlash now, which is lovely to see. A lot of people are talking about ditching Spotify,

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but then they

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go to first, they haven't found Nostril, they haven't found Wave Lake, they haven't found Fountain.

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But they go first to like the familiar big name things. And I don't remember them all because some of them aren't familiar to me because I primarily,

436
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I do Tidal and I have Apple Music, but I, you know, I haven't had Spotify and then I stay in the Valueverse. I stay where, when I listen to music, I can pay the artist directly in Bitcoin while listening to Fountain or listening to music on WaveBlake. And so like people go, okay, if I ditch Spotify,

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let me first go to

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Apple Music and let me go to Tidal. And then there's like, maybe like half a dozen other like big name kind of music apps where it's gonna be the mainstream music. It's gonna be your Chaparral and your Taylor Swift and you're,

439
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you know, you wanna hear Freebird and you wanna hear Nirvana,

440
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you know, it's like that. But like the music that Seth and I are talking about is completely independent music. It might be on your Spotify. It might be on your Apple Music, but it won't be on Radio Detox because

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I am not gonna pay the performance rights

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fees, which are like 6 figures. I'm gonna stick with artists who quite frankly,

443
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aren't they may or may not be a part of the they could

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use the

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promotion. They could use the discoverability

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so much more. And then if you listen to podcasts, like when when Seth and I are done talking, I wanna play the songs that he likes so that you can hear them at the end of the podcast.

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And then when you're listening, if you're on fountain, if you're on some fancy podcasting two point o enabled music app. Like for example, like when I listen to podcasts, I'm streaming my Sats to the podcast I'm listening to, and it's going to go to the artist that's playing.

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Because we have the technology to kind of keep these things separate and go, well, if Heather's playing the Helene music on the podcast,

449
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and if that's the you know, when you're streaming

450
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during the podcast and Helene is playing, that money is not going to me and Seth.

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Like during the portion of the podcast where Seth and I are talking, like I'm doing a little zap split with Seth. So Seth's my guest. He's gonna get a portion of the proceeds. So he's gonna have the proceeds. But when the music starts playing and you're streaming the sats or you're zapping or you're boosting, you know, your money's going directly to those artists. And that's something that you can't do on Apple. You can't do on Spotify.

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And you know what? The artists are gonna earn more money through this podcast than they've probably ever

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learned or earned on Spotify.

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00:50:55,350 --> 00:50:59,485
That's for sure. Sarah Jade has said that. She said that I think in 2024.

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I've earned more money bitching about Spotify

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than I ever earned having my music on Spotify.

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And that's just, you know, if people are thinking,

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I'm gonna ditch Spotify. Like we're telling you all about the places you can go to to not just ditch Spotify,

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but start engaging

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in a in a better way. Brings us kind of full circle, kinda

461
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to to where you joined Noster and felt like things were just better. Yeah. Well, I think it's, you know,

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people will eventually discover it. It's, it's tough being over here and yelling from the rooftops, Hey, we got a better way. And it's like the same quality

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technology.

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Right. But people are used to familiar and they'll, they'll discover it, you know, when, when the time's right. I feel like it's like one of those things, Nostril's a discovery. You have to stumble upon it and come in and, know, get, get the,

465
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you know, ask Noster, GM,

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sort of get all the flavors

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and and, you know,

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and adapt to the culture. Because it is a different it's a culture shift in in a good way that because we talk to each other. And that that's Some of the things.

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That's what you're talking about. It's like the ask Noster's hashtag ask Noster. Got a question? Just hashtag it ask Noster. You'll get a ton of engagement. I actually get responses, you know, and GM is just getting up and saying good morning. You can literally get on Noster every morning and just type GM,

470
00:52:23,165 --> 00:52:30,285
and everybody will GM back at you. Like, you'll get, like, half a dozen responses every day at least to people saying, okay. Good morning. Like common

471
00:52:31,325 --> 00:52:37,645
it's common courtesy. It's it's it's good morning. Hello. You know? And it's like, we gotta we gotta reintroduce

472
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manners into society and Yes. We're we're starting on Nostril. Alright. So we got we got Helene was one of your picks. So let me let me see. We got Helene,

473
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and you like the Grunge. Mhmm. You like the Joe Martin. Wait. I'm forgetting the third artist you mentioned already. Joe Martin and Pauline.

474
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Mookie. Yes. There was a new Mookie song I found yesterday I

475
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already forgot the name of the Mookie song, but it's on my fountain playlist. So that's I gave it a little heart on fountain and then I can always go back and find all the songs that I liked, you know, the previous day or week or whatever, because I forget. I'm terrible. That's why I make playlists. It's the most important thing. Use Fountain and

476
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:20,955
yeah, Wave Lake, make playlists there so that you don't forget your songs that you like. I have miles of playlists, and that's how I'm keeping it together.

477
00:53:21,275 --> 00:53:24,315
Thank you for being my guest on Radio Detox. You've had a good

478
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three years of detox off of the Bitcoin

479
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or

480
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the Fiat

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gnarly,

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nasty

483
00:53:33,869 --> 00:53:46,029
Bitcoin Twitter. Well, you're not even on Twitter anymore. You've you've left. You left at some point finally. Like, don't I do have a a Zap Cooking account. So That's right. I fumbled my way back in for marketing purposes.

484
00:53:47,035 --> 00:53:48,795
So people can know You about zap.

485
00:53:49,355 --> 00:53:51,035
Know what you gotta do? Some

486
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of us are taking a lot of crap for being on Twitter.

487
00:53:54,955 --> 00:54:05,810
Because like, I'm like little miss Noster, right? I've been trying to get people to get on Noster, I've gone back to all of the evil empires to try to get people interested somehow in Noster.

488
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I

489
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I think there's select few of us who are on

490
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Bitcoin. I don't think anybody sees us, but we're just like, hey, come to Noster.

491
00:54:14,865 --> 00:54:18,865
It's more fun. We've got Zapdoc Cooking. We've got music.

492
00:54:19,345 --> 00:54:25,825
We've got, you know, places you can, you can blog on Noster. It's not like Twitter where we make you like pay

493
00:54:25,825 --> 00:54:33,420
to write a longer post. Like it's, it's really a complete and total sis. I think it's getting better. I, every week I probably catch myself like,

494
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:43,215
like I'll be on Twitter and Twitter doesn't work. Say although all the time I'm catching myself saying, Noster works better than this. I I can get on anything. I can get on Facebook.

495
00:54:43,375 --> 00:54:59,280
And I go, god, this works like crap. Like, Noster works better than this. Like, we we're reaching a point where I think It really does. Works better than a lot of things that people are used to. Whereas three years ago, yeah, Noster didn't didn't work so great back three years ago. So now Yeah, things are getting better and now it's

496
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:12,075
yeah. Thanks for having me on and and certainly Zap Cooking, you know, we're we're making a lot of progress, you know, with the with the vibe coding. Daniel and myself have been working on it. Jack Shakani is still involved.

497
00:55:12,315 --> 00:55:16,955
He was the one, the last developer who worked on it. But

498
00:55:17,115 --> 00:55:24,720
we're making a lot of progress and, and, you know, we're making it user friendly and, and that's the goal is to try to bring

499
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:26,800
people into a community,

500
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:32,160
be members of our community and build new ways to have conversations with each other.

501
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,800
Amen. And in order for

502
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:35,840
to succeed,

503
00:55:36,405 --> 00:55:43,205
what is the most important thing? Just so that Noster cannot fail. Like, failure is not an option, and we'll

504
00:55:43,205 --> 00:56:06,835
be the last people here if it were to fail. But I mean, like, would your one thing be to ensure that Noster does not fail? Well, I think there's a core group of people who just aren't going away. If you've been here long enough, you're just not going away. There is going to be that core group of people who are going to continue to talk about it. We've got to continue to do things like this, you know, face to face interviews.

505
00:56:06,835 --> 00:56:09,875
You get more media out there. One of the things I noticed

506
00:56:10,515 --> 00:56:13,235
the other day is like I did a AI

507
00:56:13,235 --> 00:56:16,595
search and I said, many books are there on Bitcoin? There's like 30,000

508
00:56:16,595 --> 00:56:22,890
books on Bitcoin. I'm like, how many on Nostrad? It's like zero. So Yeah. There's like one Hoddlebod wrote one book.

509
00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:36,585
Hoddlebod wrote a book. It's it's a little more developer, but it's a little bit deep. Like, it's not I love you, Hoddlebod. I love you, sir. But it's it's not a mainstream book. And you know, and I've thought about like, how do you tell the Noster story about how all these,

510
00:56:36,984 --> 00:56:52,060
I don't know, nerds from across the country, we all kind of found each other, created a better working Noster, you know, through creating apps. And then we created more apps and vibe coding came along and we kept creating, you know, like we built apps with like nothing

511
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:57,660
three years ago because we didn't have anything. Now we have vibe coding. Oh, and by the way, we've created a fence

512
00:56:58,185 --> 00:56:59,465
all over country,

513
00:56:59,945 --> 00:57:00,905
all over the world.

514
00:57:01,225 --> 00:57:02,185
And we've

515
00:57:02,185 --> 00:57:09,065
gone to like Bitcoin events to try to like put our foot in the door there. And like, know, we had the Nostril Lounge at the Bitcoin conference

516
00:57:09,625 --> 00:57:16,570
last year. And I don't know if we'll have that same thing again, but we're gonna try to put our foot in the door at the same conference for 2026.

517
00:57:16,570 --> 00:57:18,010
And so we just kind of like,

518
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:46,070
we've created friendships, we've created a network, we've created events, we've created apps. And like the world hardly knows because we don't get all the attention of the things that are companies, you know, like Blue Sky. It's like, okay, those nerds over there with their protocol. Nah, whatever about them. You know, they don't we don't have a company that makes money that's a startup that's gonna get an IPO someday. So we're just not sexy story. So that's just, that's the only reason why we haven't gotten any attention

519
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:53,829
because we're just a community of people who build stuff the way they want it to be, you know, with no permission. We just do it.

520
00:57:55,125 --> 00:57:55,765
Yeah.

521
00:57:56,085 --> 00:58:13,760
Yeah. I think that that's like one of the things that is a misconception is like we gotta scale. But I think we gotta just build and grow and make sure that the thing's resilient. And then, you know, we'll scale when the time's right. But I think having our small group of whatever it is, 50,000 users, is a feature, not a bug.

522
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,119
Exactly.

523
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:22,505
And then someday it'll be, you know, I guess ready for when people say, Oh, I'm tired of the capture. Like I'm tired of the platform capture

524
00:58:22,585 --> 00:58:29,545
and the endless fees or the endless moderation that censors me or the endless recurring monthly subscriptions

525
00:58:29,545 --> 00:58:30,985
to things that

526
00:58:31,545 --> 00:58:34,665
are gonna mute me and downvote me anyway.

527
00:58:35,225 --> 00:58:45,130
It's not fun because people have to self censor, you know, like this. Ultimately, this video will be on YouTube. So like I'm gonna be super like as when I'm in editing, might

528
00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:53,224
mute some word I say because I don't know. Are they gonna I because I think about that. Please? No, love you, you're such a wonderful company,

529
00:58:53,545 --> 00:58:54,425
you know, like

530
00:58:55,065 --> 00:59:03,224
Yeah, right. But no, like I always It's like thank you, Elon, thank you. Yeah, like thank you, yeah, Grok AI, we love that one, you know.

531
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,440
There's

532
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,280
absolutely nothing wrong with that one

533
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,360
when I'm on Twitter. I'll just take stole its virtues in

534
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,720
real life. There are articles about it like ruining the Memphis community and lying

535
00:59:17,135 --> 00:59:33,100
about, you know, the things that they did to bring the company there. Then there's, you know, the other thing that I won't say out loud because I don't want to get banned from YouTube that, you know, Grok AI did quite recently that was in the news. And we'll just leave those words off of the podcast

536
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:47,775
for fear of being banned on YouTube. But of course, where this is playing on, you know, I'm hosted on Pod Home and in the world of RSS, you know, it's in Fountain. It'll be fine. It won't get banned there. But you know, where this exists on legacy platforms, I'm just like, yeah, ban me someday.

537
00:59:48,175 --> 00:59:51,775
Prove my point because I used the wrong word or whatever,

538
00:59:52,015 --> 00:59:56,495
you know, at some point. You know, I don't put the music in the YouTube version of Radio Detox.

539
00:59:56,930 --> 01:00:06,050
I keep that obviously in the audio version so that people, they're zapping and boosting it to the artists and, you know, I've thought about putting it on YouTube. Yeah,

540
01:00:07,090 --> 01:00:12,115
if there were if artists had a video I know Ainsley has videos, but like, if I, if I put it in

541
01:00:12,355 --> 01:00:22,914
the video version, like if I put an Ainsley video in the YouTube version, it would only succeed at like, it would promote her, which I think would be good, but it would, it, she wouldn't get paid from that being on YouTube.

542
01:00:23,550 --> 01:00:26,270
You know, that's a whole different she would have to have,

543
01:00:26,830 --> 01:00:29,310
you know, we'd have to have some major monetization,

544
01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:35,550
you know, set up and that doesn't exist on YouTube. You have to get you have to jump through all of the YouTube hoops before your YouTube channel

545
01:00:35,845 --> 01:00:37,365
can be monetized.

546
01:00:37,365 --> 01:00:42,325
You like, you basically have to work for YouTube in order to earn your way to monetization.

547
01:00:42,325 --> 01:00:45,445
And that's something that's unfair. That's something that just isn't

548
01:00:45,525 --> 01:01:15,515
a part of the Nostril universe at all. So, you know, yeah, I could put that Ainsley video if she gave it to me. Could put it in at the end of our video, right? Just so people could see it. But I'd rather just link to it in the comments and maybe people will discover an artist that way. But you know, I'll put the interviews on YouTube so people can see the talking head portion of it, but the music will always stay in the value verse so that the artists get the money and the artists get, get a little play too. I think that's the most important thing. So

549
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:18,010
that's my thing.

550
01:01:18,490 --> 01:01:23,770
Well, all right. Thank you, Seth. Thanks for your time. Thanks for getting Zap Cooking going.

551
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:35,405
Sober key, grateful day. What am I Nostril Valley, you've been a great A, five star Nostril for three years. We thank you for your service. Well, thanks for having me and

552
01:01:35,725 --> 01:01:36,765
appreciate you as well.

553
01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:52,300
On my hand

554
01:07:54,780 --> 01:07:58,380
I don't know who the number's for

555
01:08:01,180 --> 01:08:04,380
And I won't try to pretend

556
01:08:05,740 --> 01:08:09,515
because I'm so heavy from that high

557
01:08:09,515 --> 01:08:11,035
gravity.

558
01:08:12,075 --> 01:08:15,115
I don't know why I do the things

559
01:08:15,115 --> 01:08:17,275
that I do to me.

560
01:08:18,235 --> 01:08:19,594
It's like I'm

561
01:09:58,235 --> 01:10:01,275
Know I will, but I don't know when.

562
01:10:04,075 --> 01:10:07,195
It feels like every other week.

563
01:11:14,909 --> 01:11:15,710
Thank you very much.

564
01:17:55,185 --> 01:17:58,945
Don't know if it's for better or for worse,

565
01:18:00,065 --> 01:18:03,389
that I could have you if I'm all ahead

566
01:18:03,550 --> 01:18:04,750
of the nerve,

567
01:18:05,469 --> 01:18:07,070
drop everything,

568
01:18:07,150 --> 01:18:11,870
jump on a plane, but that's not how real life works.

569
01:18:15,685 --> 01:18:19,684
And I think of all the things I'm gonna say

570
01:18:21,045 --> 01:18:25,124
when I finally see you in the flesh again.

571
01:18:26,405 --> 01:18:27,685
Words won't

572
01:18:27,685 --> 01:18:28,645
be enough.

573
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,079
I'd make a deal with the universe

574
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,920
just to be with you tonight.

575
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,400
No. I can't promise you the world,

576
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,280
but I can promise

577
01:19:13,095 --> 01:19:14,855
you mine.

578
01:19:17,735 --> 01:19:19,175
And I forgot

579
01:19:19,575 --> 01:19:21,895
that money ain't an end,

580
01:19:23,175 --> 01:19:24,375
but it means

581
01:19:24,455 --> 01:19:27,015
to take care of you and

582
01:19:28,350 --> 01:19:31,309
set us free from the drudgery,

583
01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:32,830
mundane

584
01:19:32,830 --> 01:19:34,670
tragedy of life.

585
01:19:38,350 --> 01:19:42,350
And I'm working hard to make a plan

586
01:19:43,074 --> 01:19:47,715
even though god laughs at that kind of man.

587
01:19:48,114 --> 01:19:51,394
So I'm just taking each day

588
01:19:51,875 --> 01:19:54,275
doing the best I can.

589
01:19:58,390 --> 01:20:01,429
If I could, you know I would.

590
01:20:02,150 --> 01:20:05,590
But I can promise you the world.

591
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:15,705
But I can promise you mine if you'll take it and be my girl.

592
01:20:18,185 --> 01:20:21,305
I think I'd deal with the universe

593
01:20:22,025 --> 01:20:24,745
just to be with

594
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,520
If I could, you know I would.

595
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,080
But I can't promise you the world.

596
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:08,200
But I can't promise you my name. You'd take it and be my

597
01:21:08,034 --> 01:21:09,794
girl.

598
01:21:11,875 --> 01:21:14,834
I'd make a deal with the universe

599
01:21:16,114 --> 01:21:18,594
just to be with you tonight.

600
01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:25,150
Now I can't promise you the world,

601
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:28,030
but I can promise

602
01:21:28,030 --> 01:21:29,390
you mine.