Alright. Radio detox back for another episode. This one's really special because, one, I'm gonna do this on video, which I don't think that we've done this before. So this is gonna be more about the subject of Nostr and Bitcoin and Vibe Coding, all all all of that good stuff, and a little bit less about the music, but this is gonna be a lot more about the detox. So my special guest today is my friend, the Wild Hustle. Welcome to Radio Detox Hustle. How you doing?
Doing pretty well. Glad to be here. Looking forward to the conversation.
Yeah. So hustle here is the guy who created
Runster.
So if you haven't downloaded Runster yet, you gotta download Runster. And people are like, I don't run or I'm just doing my steps or but it's not just for runners. Although, obviously,
we are going to target the runners quite bigly here. But, I wanna let you tell the story about kind of
how we all got here in, like, less than a year, because this started with the DOS fabric challenge that Avi and John and Vior did.
Well, I I'm already thinking it's last year and it's 2026
already, but it's it's still 2025
and so much has happened because let me tell you the wild hustle here. He puts the hustle into
all of the things, Noster. I'm not even kidding. I don't know anybody who hustles harder than you, man. So without further ado, tell me how it all began.
Tell the audience because you know I know. Sure.
So, yeah, I I think, this
this past year, it's been a a whirlwind, really.
The, the idea behind Runster started off with me getting,
rugged from Nike Run Club.
I had, an email with Yahoo, but,
I deleted it,
for Proton instead because I wanted to I was, in a sort of a cypherpunk sort of mood. I wanted to, you know, go to Graphene, and I was, like, you know, installing Linux and, you know, I was, like, sort of going down that path. But, yeah, that email was one I used to log in to Nike Run Club, and so all of my workout history was deleted.
And so that had me on a path to searching
for a a better running app. I didn't really find one that was,
like, simple to use. I I downloaded Strava, and it was asking for, like, way too much information.
Yeah.
I end up for Nike run club again, but then,
I I don't know. Like, I saw all of my workout history was deleted, and so I was like, okay. Yeah. The achievements meant like, the badges meant nothing.
Feels like I'm starting off from scratch, so I might as well find something that's maybe more in line with, like, the Bitcoin or not Nostrados.
Yeah. So long
and so at the time, I was already, like, learning how to code a little bit. I was taking, like, club depth courses, with ClubLab.
I was taking, like, random Python courses on Replit. And this was, like, just right sort of, like, right as
or, like, right at, like, the beginning of, like, the whole, like, vibe coding thing. And so I was, like, sort of, like,
like, all of these, like, different, like, tools, like Open Agents, and I was using Replit, and I was using, like, Versus Code and using, like, a root code extensions and
all things like that.
Mhmm.
I came out with, an MVP.
At the time, it was called Noster Run Club,
pretty much just ripping off of the sort of
And I asked a few developers in the space what they thought about it, and, they thought I had, like, a nice MVP. I started posting a little bit about it on Nasr, and one of one of the judges from the Nas Fabrica competition,
he reached out to me and said, hey. You know, we're having a competition about health and fitness apps. Maybe you should, come and and present Runster.
And so that's what I did. The whole, NosFabrica
experience
felt like, it was like an accelerator. You know, every week, get
presentations
and, like, giving, like, roadmap updates and doing that sort of thing. Like, there was a prize money involved, but it was more about like, it it was like a real, like, a camaraderie sort of experience where, you know, we're, like, pitching ideas back
to each other and, you know, we're, like, trying to develop new nips for,
for, health and fitness. So in the competition, I I also, met with the, the Noster dev team,
and, they helped get the app to the point where,
it was, like, a little bit more professional and and less of,
like a like a hobbyist tinkering sort of project.
Yeah.
Yeah. You upload it quickly. It was like Yeah. You came out of nowhere.
It was cool because I was attending a lot of the the Astraphabrica.
Like, it was a weekly meeting that we did to kick off the year, and then it went all the way to to Maine. It was kinda for me, it was kinda cool because I had never really worked directly with devs, so it it was good training for me. I'd always been down you know, downstream or upstream, however you wanna say it. The person who would write the marketing content later after people made the thing. So that was
really good for me to be a part of. And then, like, you would pop in and I guess we were focused on health and and fitness overall. There there's some really, really good apps involved in the Nos fabrica challenge, the first one. And then with that theme, and then you popped in and we were like, woah. This is rad. You know? This this this runster thing, like, this this can be something. Like, this is like and not that the other ones couldn't, but it was like
nobody had thought of running before or anything athletic before. You know? Like, I I think that we kind of I think we focus on certain areas in this space, and it was very refreshing to have you pop in and be like, hey, let's do running. Yeah. I mean, I I sort of knew that the NASDAQ BERICA competition
was was happening. And when I went into it, I thought that there would be a bunch of,
like, consumer facing sort of, like, nostril apps that are, like, meditation focused, yoga focused.
I was thinking of, like, personal health and fitness apps. And so, yeah, I was thinking that there was gonna be,
a yoga stir, meditate stir, diet stir, all all happening.
And it's it's pretty interesting as,
as far as Runster goes, like, when people think of a Noster native fitness app or a Noster native running app, I think a lot of people first go towards, okay, where's the social feed? Okay. With, like, is there gonna be a social angle.
Where's
yep. Where's the GIF keyboard? And
and so they think of
that sort of angle. But, yeah, I I guess I'm kinda coming from it from, like, a an area of, like, using Nasr as, like, a back end
for, like, health and fitness, like, simple summaries, that sort of thing. Like, in Runster, we have a integration with Health Connect
and an integration with Apple Health. This allows people to, like, use wearables
or use, like, different apps on their phone and have the, workouts from those,
like, different wearables or apps go directly into Runster so that you can either save it locally or push it to Noster.
And so we came up with the idea of Noster Health Sync,
which is pretty much like open source Noster version of Apple Health.
And so, you're able to, like, back up your, workout data against relays, and,
it's, like, non doxing information. You know, everything
that's, collected through Runster is collected locally, but you have the option to, like, throw it up into the Noster cloud.
And so that was kind of like,
like, one of the, like, the main pain points that, like, I had experienced, you know, like, a bunch of running apps and a bunch of fitness apps. And for me to be able to, like, log in to, you know, log in to the app using my, you know, like, my Nostra insect, whichever insect that I wanna use, and to, like, see, like, all of my health and fitness data there just like just like logging in to, like, Domus or, like, Primal and seeing my same profile, my same kind one notes, my same friends. I wanted to have that same experience.
Nostr makes it possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool.
Yeah. I I love it. And it's it's cool. It's orange and black, and and and we love just kind of
I don't know. There's there's an ease to it, I think, once you get used to using Nostr and you're Nostr native and you, you know, you log in to Runster and it just makes sense. And, you know, so for the people who haven't yet made good of, getting involved on Nostr, like, this could be something that gets you in, and and it it starts to make sense because you you get an NPUB
as as soon as you sign up. Correct? Correct.
And it's, super simple. I literally made it one button. You click start, and it creates a an NPUB insect for you. That's what we need. It's like one clue.
I think like people will understand
Runster
in a, in a way that like,
if Domus didn't click for you, like whatever it is, if, if Nostra didn't click for you before,
but you're a fitness buff, like, this is gonna click for you also because it's not just running. You can walk, you can cycle, and it's god, you put so much stuff in there
already that, you know, you can you can I could log my yoga? I can log my, you know, Pilates. I can log my meditation. I can. And I I signed up with, PPQ AI and so that I can, you know, use the coach runster and and have it I haven't used it yet, but I I at least put my PPQ, put my API key in there so I can start to, you know, analyze
my apple, you know, health kit info that's loaded in into nostril automatically, which isn't a thing that I like because, you know, I've been an apple customer for like twenty something years. Right? Like the,
the immense effort it would take to go get off of, you know, apple, everything and go do like the graphene
Android, like, and I don't even like Android because I'm such an apple person, you know, but it, it just works. You know? Like, if you already have a setup with one of these apps, it's not really gonna take away from that. You know? Like and I don't pay for for Apple Fitness. You know? Certainly, you can. But I've obviously the the free version of the Apple
Fitness
app or, you know, the, the apple fitness suite, whatever you wanna call it. And, and so it just shows up in my Runster. So it makes it really easy for me to just, you know, I'll start the workout on my phone
on the apple app and it just, it's just there. And then I can go into Runster and I can just share it to Noster if I want. And you know, how I want, I can do it with, with my profile picture or I can do it just sharing it as a kind OneNote and it looks cool either way. And, you know, I can't even do that with Apple. Like, it's not gonna it's I don't think it even like, it would tweet my I don't think Apple would tweet my Apple workouts. Like, I don't think it would just tweet that information. Like, I think it would have to screenshot it. As far as I know,
I've never done it. I don't see anybody doing it. Like, that's something that they totally missed with the Apple fitness stuff. It's like, we want your $10 a month for you to watch, like, workout videos, but, like, we're just not gonna give you social sharing at all. Yeah. You hit on a few points there with, like, the AI integration.
Yep. We have a a PPQ integration
to where, in the app, you can go settings, and you can, it'll redirect you to PPQ AI where you can get your anonymous,
API key
and use whatever LLM you wanna use, and you can, pay for, your queries in Bitcoin.
And Super easy. Like, like, stays with the like, you know, anonymous sort of ethos with, you know, one click creation of, of your account, and, you know, you don't have to, like, have any sort of, like, information that ties to your actual identity. And, yeah, I think, like, a lot of these like, the AI rushes here, pretty much every app that you see is,
is either going to, like, integrate with AI in, like, to some degree
or,
you know, they're
out. And so I think it's nice having, like, an anonymous,
like, private
sort of, like, you know, like, user choice from the LLM sort of,
sort of, like, vibe going on there, for Runster. As far as the social sharing, it's interesting. It's it's like, why would someone
download Runster?
Like, why would they,
you know, they've been using Strava the whole time. They've been using Nike Run Club the whole time. Yeah. Privacy is okay, but it's, like, not, like, a as big of a selling point.
No. It's not. Maybe
maybe, like, crossposting
your workout to Nasr
in a in a cool way. Maybe that could be a little bit of a selling point.
But, what I've eventually,
fallen back to is, like, the rewards angle.
So I I guess this is an announcement.
Rewards are gonna be coming back into Runster. We had to we'll pause it for a little bit as we built out the app. We we created a new version that's available on iOS and Android. So it's available on iOS today Apple on the App Store. It's available on GitHub. And the idea is, you know, one of the reasons or I guess now one of the the main reasons someone would wanna download Runster is that you can go on a run with Nike Run Club,
and you can download Runster.
You can scoop the run into the Runster app, and you can earn rewards for pushing it to Nasr. And this is gonna be done as a a con 13 o one, and we're gonna give,
rewards for the first workout that you post. And these are gonna be streak rewards, and so we're incentivizing people to download the app, to push, workouts into the Noster Cloud service that that we're, sort of, working with. And so I guess that's the pull. Like, the,
we're incentivizing healthy behavior through Runster Rewards.
Runster is private. It allows you to cross post to Gnoster. And we have, like, pretty cool templates for, like, posting. I think maybe a few users have seen it. We have, like, a black and gray sort of thing that, like, puts your Noster profile by a gradient with, like, quotes underneath. We have, like, a a Runster theme. We have, like, the plain text version, and we have, different, sort of, like, unique, like, posting, like, visual sort of stuff happening on the, in the future.
So that's maybe one of the announcements that, that I'd be dropping today for from the rewards.
Little little rewards announcement
that it's we're gonna be earning some rewards for our activity. I think that's great, man. It's the best kind of rewards cause it's gonna be Bitcoin. No. It's actually no. Of course. Yes. Of course. It's No. I started by a token called hustle token.
Yeah. Actually, that probably exists out there. We make fun of the crypto
people, but, you know, but no. It's actually, you know, the hard you, you do a hard run, you deserve some hard money. Damn it. That's that's my philosophy. You know, get real, real rewards. And you, you touch, I'm trying to play dumb because like I work here, but I'm not good at playing dumps. So I'm trying trying to I like, I I know what he's gonna say, but I also I wanna make it, you know,
translatable to the to the audience listening. And I think you hit on a couple things there too. It's like when when it's when it's a kind 13 o one note, that's a specific,
Nostril NIP about
health data. Right? Correct. It's a workout summary. So, users are able to build, workout histories that are saved to Nostril.
So, in the app, there's a button where if you click it, it downloads all of the health and fitness data that you have on a Nasr, and it saves it locally onto your phone. And likewise, you can, you know, post these simple summaries to Nasr. So it's not a a kind one note. Those are notes that are, like shown on social feeds.
This is, more like, just like a small workout summary that other developers can use to build other health and fitness apps. So this gives your, your workouts interoperability
among, like, different Dosto clients and things like that. But it it's pretty cool. You're it create, like, a decentralized,
like, workout history,
which sort of, like, alleviates the, like, problem of having your data in, like, a honeypot or a silo,
especially
is,
like, non doxing. So it's not like we're saving GPS
and, you know, like your, like, home location and your driver's license and and blood type and and that sort of stuff and throwing that to public.
Yeah. And what's the
I was gonna say, I think I was crazy enough to post my Nike run club, like, maps
on Twitter back in the day like an idiot.
Yeah. No. No. The same thing. No.
I was
I was getting into more and I was using, Nike run club, and I had taken a screenshot and I posted it to Nasr, and I I got a
and it was someone who had,
like, drawn, like, a circle at where, like, my house was.
Oh my god.
And
he said watch out, and he, like, drew a wrench next to it, and I was okay.
You know what? That's a good point because Maybe not doing that again.
Yeah. If you if you know,
Alaina who
started treasure
Treasure Treasure. I can't say it right. But, does Glock now. You know? That's that's her big thing. It's like Bitcoiners. We just yeah. Bitcoiners have terrible OPSEC and need to stop doxing themselves, and that's why she built Glock. You know? And and so that's something she's working on because, yeah, I mean, we could all use a little better OPSEC,
especially in this world today.
But then for sure, you know, when we're thinking about, you know, the long term effects of Bitcoin, we definitely wanna have better OPSEC.
You also hit on something that was actually, my my the second part of my my question there, you answered it before I could ask it. But,
the
local storage thing is gonna be kind of a foreign concept to people who don't understand that, like, Nasr is your back end and, oh, hey. Heather's storing all of her runs through data on her iPhone. Like, how does that work, I guess, without getting too technical?
Well, I I I don't think it's,
maybe it's just because I'm, like, too deep in too deep in the weeds and too deep in the sauce, but,
I know the feeling.
Like, developers are using data storage like SQLite.
They're using, servers, a centralized server to, like, power the back end of your app, but it uses,
like, local storage as a first, and we use Nostra as a back end. So
your phone
just like how you can store pictures or text in the in the storage of your phone. That's the same way that, you know, you can store your, workout and fitness data. Now, like,
why other apps don't necessarily do this
is kind of strange to me.
Yeah.
Like, we have a better way.
I'm sure there are,
like, other open source, like, run trackers that you could find on GitHub
that, like, some of them, like, might not be, like, very well maintained. They might just be, like, sort of,
super hobbyist projects where they don't necessarily have a back end and and use,
workout data
in, like, a local first manner. But I think, like, the the key thing here is
with the Nasr back end, now these apps can talk to each other and, you know, like, you don't have to rely on, like, that honeypot sort of sort of deal.
Yeah. So yep.
Storage is just,
like, a simple ability to store something
onto your phone, just like storing, like, a m p three file in an m p three player. Maybe that kind of dates me or something.
Me too. Getting that.
Yeah. That's why we call it radio detox. When I, when I first got into radio, I was editing audio
by cutting reel to reel tape with a razor blade and taping it back together. So I I'm I feel like I'm the grandma here in the technology department. Like, I was I was very analog. And then, you know, all all the I've seen such a a change
in the last twenty seven years,
obviously, technologically. I mean, we we were still giving out CDs when I first got into radio and, and you know, now it's, it's radio detox and we're, we're detoxing off of a lot of things like the Fiat mindset,
like giving away your data to companies that just like, I don't know. Can Nike run club see my workout data? You know? Or what happened to my workout data? Because I haven't logged on to that in in ice age. It was Of course.
I I gave a a presentation
at a startup day in Mexico,
for Runster.
And so I was doing, like, a lot of,
investigation into
Runster competitors, I guess you could call them, like Nike Run Club and Brava.
And, yeah, I was just, like, kind of, like, blown away with, like, different, like, different cases,
that they were, like, found guilty in. You know, Nike Run Club was found guilty of, selling data to, like, selling your data to corporate sponsors and things like that. Strava was found guilty of selling data to governments, which was pretty interesting. And so What? Like, from
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were selling,
you know, selling heat map data to, like, government, and they were, like, exposing the locations of world leaders because, like, their bodyguards
bodyguards would be using Strava. And so,
like and and with Strava, you can track
and do that sort of thing. And so that that was a whole
and in the case of and this goes, to, like, the honeypot problem. In the case of, like, Garmin and, Fitbit, you know, they, like, they tried their best to be, like, great custodians of their day of your data, and they didn't sell it, but
they, like, still, like, put it all into, like, a nice pot for, like, hackers to sort of chip away at. And that sort that resulted in, like, a bunch of accounts compromised,
a bunch of, like, money lost from the company. And so and and, you know, like, people sort of, like, get whenever there's, like, a honeypot, it's just it just draws, like, way too much attention. And, like, I'm sure, like,
the listeners of this, they've gotten, like, phone calls or emails saying, oh, there was a data breach.
Oh, every day sometimes. Like, I I get it, like because I pay for Identity Guard. You know? I pay I pay for some I pay for that. I pay for something to cleanse
me off of all these, like, online what do you what do you call them? Like, the these, like, data brokers where, like, if you you Google a person and and you you get, like, all these addresses,
and it's like you get, like, 30 addresses for a person, and you get you gotta do it to yourself to see if you're out there. And and then they're like, hey. But if you wanna get their exact address, you know, because I'll have some of it blurred out. Like, you've gotta pay, you know, for our service. And and it looks so shady. It's like, now let's say I pay for this service. Am I really gonna get the correct info? And and, like, I didn't and go through with that to see if they really had my info. I was just like, let me just pay for the service to get me off of all the data brokers.
And then, you know, I'm in all these class action lawsuits. You know, you get all these emails. We're like, yeah. So we screwed your data, but we'll give you $14.
You know, it's like like, I think I'm gonna
Yeah. Even for, like, be, like, really, really on top of it, like Bank of America.
Yeah. Like, they're They're like I have had bad this is why I hate banks because of Bank of America. Like, they used to put they've honest to god, they put this is a long time ago. This is this is this is how I was a pre Bitcoiner. This is, like, twenty something years ago, but they put my paycheck in the wrong Heather Larson's account.
And so I had no money one day, and I was like, what happened? I just got paid. And and I had to, you know, figure out what went on. And so they they gave me my money back, and then the other Heather Larson was was pissed. And and she wanted, you know, her money back. So then they took the money out of my account
again and gave it back to her. And I was like, okay. They don't know.
Yeah. So I was like, never again with bank you know, because, you know, the bigger the bigger something is. And this is the kind of the the crux of Bitcoin and Nostra people. And somebody like Hussle who's got the graphene phone, you know, the he's got the the Android graphene super private phone. It's like, we've all kind of gotten tired of being the product, and we've gotten tired of having
our data out there and who's looking at it and who's who's looking at where I'm walking down the street and why. You know? What are they getting out of this? And I and I've become this person that when I whenever I go to a store, and I I'm getting a little bit of ego about this. I'm getting I'm getting a little stuck up about this. But every time I go to a store and I go to pay for something and somebody just says, hi. How are you? Phone number? I'm like, no. I don't have a phone number. Do are you in the app? Do you have the app? Do you have do you do you have the rewards card? Do you have the rewards club? No. I don't have any of that. I'm just gonna pay full price or not shop at your expensive store that won't give me the discount unless I get the member club or the app. Because, no, I'm not giving my phone number to a store. I don't even wanna go through giving you a fake phone number at Safeway. Okay? Because I just don't wanna play that game at all. You know? And so when these cashiers are like, what's your phone number? And I'm like, I don't give that out. And they're just like, you know, because it's because nobody says that to them. They're in shock. They're like,
oh, you're broken the rules of society. You don't, you don't get back to your account. And we're like, no, I don't because, okay. There's somebody standing behind me who can hear me give it out. I don't know if that person's on the up and up or if they're just sitting there, like remembering my phone, you know, number so they could go do something nefarious with it. And, unfortunately, I think that's the world we live in today and, you know, why our our friend Elena has started Glock, obviously,
you know, because there there is some some danger factor to it. And I I think in the in the real world, even if you're not a Bitcoiner and you're just walking down the street, you deserve better OPSEC too because anybody can do anything they want now
with your phone number, with AI.
You know? That's it's all all of the AI is getting better. Okay? The tricks and the pranks are getting better. Like, when we were kids, we just, like,
doorbell ditched and
called up. Is your refrigerator running? You know, that kind of stuff.
People aren't doing that anymore. It's not funny anymore. You know? It's it's there's some some real world, you know, crime going on there. So, like, I think the the more you can get away
from having your data locked up in all these different big too big to fail companies is is what I call them. Like, Bank of America, too big to fail, doesn't care what it did to any Heather Larson, let alone this Heather Larson. And, you know, Nike, huge company. You know? I do I do like their shoes. You know? I do I have had the same pair of Nike workout shorts for, I kid you not, probably twenty five, twenty six years, and they've not disintegrated.
They still work. So, like, good products,
you know, but, again, you're a big, huge company. And and if I have a complaint with you, I really have no recourse. You know? Same with any big company.
If I have a problem with you, I've gotta go to the attorney general
and and deal with it that way. And and that's not okay. I wanna make my world a little smaller to where if if I'm giving somebody my money or my time or I'm signing up to use their service
that I can actually, like maybe I know them. Maybe I can you know, getting something in return. And if I'm not, I know that I have some recourse because it's a smaller, less centralized
thing, or maybe they're not centralized at all. And that's kinda that's kinda where I'm at. Like, I may not be a Graphene phone girl yet, but I've, I've gotten to the point where I'm like,
how can I kind of like detox my life from some of these things to where like,
I don't know what Apple's doing with my data, to be honest? Like I know in the app store, they kind of tell you which apps, you know,
they they tell you what information
the apps take from you. Mhmm. And it's that's a thing now, like, to where you you can look at it and you could have a choice of, like, do I wanna download this app? And you look at, like, the paragraph of information that it's gonna take, you know, off of your phone, and then you get to decide if you're okay with it. And I don't know
that the mainstream,
you know, world is is actually looking at that and going,
yeah. Let me reconsider this. Like, maybe this app doesn't need to see what I'm spending my money on and what I'm searching for, and it probably doesn't need my location either.
Yeah. Like, no one reads the, the terms and conditions.
It No. And it's, completely open source. So you can take the code and, like, go into your, like, favorite, like, LLM of choosing or whatnot and sort of, like, what's
going on. But we don't hold any user data. People can have, like, completely anonymous accounts, so I actually don't
know, like, an exact number of how many users we have, which is, a sort of nice thing as well. But, yeah, like, people don't reach out. So anonymous. People we just we we don't know who you are. We we don't know how many of you there are. Like, we're we're truly anonymous. And we thought we thought with the TikTok then. Like, you know, like
or, you know, like, people sort of, like, inherently know that, like, these bigger platforms
aren't great custodians of your data.
People, like, you know, like, siphoning something from you, but they've kind of, like, kind of accepted it. They think that there's, like, no as they're too big to like you said, like, too big to fail.
I might as well, you know, like, hop in line and do what everybody else is doing.
So sad.
And so We've all done it. Kind of like
yeah. Yeah. We've all done We've all been there. Like, with Nasr, we kind of see, like, a better way of doing things, like, a way that's a a little bit more open, a little bit more user centered, and, you know, like, it's a a platform that really gives power to, like, the end user rather than, like, power to the conglomerate or whatnot. Yeah. Like, we're just giving you with Runster, we're kinda just giving you a a service, really. Like, we're we don't know who you are. We we we don't know who's tied to that information. You just you you get this cool app where you can have your information, and and it's it's private. And you get to do all all of the Runster things, which I think are a lot of things. You know, having the the Coach Runster
AI analysis of your your data is a cool thing. I think being able to log
meditation is a cool thing. And and and being able to kind of flip between, like, running, walking, cycling, and then, of course, obviously, runs to rewards,
you know, and kind of getting to gamify it and and then getting to have the social aspect of it. I think it's gonna be a a healthier
way to do your health and fitness. I'm I'm liking it, obviously, but I work here, though. So I'm biased. Yeah. It's pretty cool. We support strength. We support cardio. We support diet. We support meditation. All of your exercises are saved locally.
You can do things like fast in the app. You can do things like set goals, set, like, have a habit tracker.
You can see your, streaks. And like I like you said, we're gonna have, rewards, and,
we do have, events.
So, if you go on, like, a five k run or, like, a 10 k run right now, we're supporting running. You know, that's Runster for you, I guess.
But,
You make me run again. Support, go on a run, and it'll automatically create a a five k, 10 k, half marathon marathon competition. We can introduce rewards to those winners as well, but, like, right now, we're focused mainly on, like, free rewards to incentivize that healthy behavior and sort of attract users to the app, I suppose.
Yeah. But it's pretty we I guess I tried to calm down with the features a little bit because it can be, you know People just don't know.
But
if tested the app with the last Fronster version, I I know you said, this wasn't gonna be so music related.
But, in the
version, I had the music player in the app, which I was kind of,
excited about.
I know. Yeah. It it was
a Wave Lake integration.
You could,
you know, listen to your Wave Lake playlist in the app. So if you created a playlist on Wave Lake, you'd be able to see it and and listen to it while running. You could zap the artist within the app, but I also had a a Blossom integration
to where you could, like, save, like, files like I was talking about, like, like, an m p three player. You could, like, save your music to version, so you'd have your own, like, sort of,
you'd have your Wave Link playlist for, like, the streaming stuff, but you also have, like, your personal playlist, like, that are that live on, like, Blossom servers.
Yeah. We we we had that for a minute. I don't know. You took it away though, but is it gonna come back? I know. We'll see. I'm focused, on the health and fitness experience.
Yeah. I'm focused on it.
And maybe, I I guess this is another announcement.
We have, Runster season two coming up,
and that'll start
right first.
It's going to have a,
1,000,000
set prize pool
going towards charities. And so This is awesome. Isn't about, like, rewarding, like, the end user. This is about, like, supporting, charities that that the user thinks that the money should go to. And and we have a a few verified charities in the app. We have things like, Bitcoin Veterans and,
we have a Bitcoin,
Bitcoin Ecosi,
Bitcoin Bay, Bitcoin. Right? And so, like, a a lot of this is about, like, circular economy stuff, utilizing
medium of exchange, removing middlemen sort of stuff. We have we also have, the HRF,
OpenStack,
and, more charities are are are gonna be coming to it. But, yeah, Runster season two, it's gonna be a two month long distance based competition
with, three categories. It's gonna be the runners, the walkers, and the cyclists, and and so that's gonna be a a pretty fun thing. I'm ready to walk. So the farther I walk, the more money I could earn for all of those great charities because I just can't pick one. That's gonna be hard. Well, it's it's interesting. The way I'm doing it is,
you can choose each workout that you,
that you conduct. You'll be able to, like, assign a chair.
Okay. So I can I can sort of like
you can spread it around?
So, like, if you wanted to go on a
you could say you can you can open the app and go into the competition settings, and you'll say, I want this run or this walk to count towards,
OpenSats,
or I want this walk to count towards
a Bitcoin I love or, you know, and things like that.
Cool. Yeah. So I can Yep. I can
is it Thirteen o one
con will contain a charity.
Okay. So the the more I the more activity I log, or does it specifically have to be a run or a walk? Like, specifically mileage?
So there are gonna be three leaderboards.
So there are gonna be there's the leaderboard,
the cyclist leaderboard, running leaderboard, and each person, you'll start, like, stacking up distance in each, in each category.
And this is, pretty much, like, the same sort of format as, Runster season one, and so, I think I came in fourth.
Oh, no. No. I came in fifth.
It was, that was pretty surprising. But, Well, you read a lot. You gotta test the app. I was thinking that I was gonna come in first, but then I was kinda, like, completely blown out of the water. No. I got gotta gotta beat the boss.
Little bit crack.
And, you know, fourth place is mine, and
then and then, camo on, sir, he came out of nowhere and beat me out of that one. And so now this is gonna be camo. And so we'll take, the most, we have a a charity leaderboard this time, and, we calculate all the distance that have gone towards, supporting which charities. And the charities with the the largest amount of distance
are the charities that are gonna be getting the rewards.
Very cool. January 1. Let's get on it. We got we gotta get after the New Year and and make sure we're getting our miles and getting our activity. And I my my treadmill
walking is gonna have to count too because there's a lot of that now. Like, people don't know. I saw you
It's funny because, like,
hustle would would would make a new feature and then have to go for a run to test it. And so now I'll get on my walking pad. I've got, like, the standing desk and the walking pad, and and this is this all worked out great until last night. I couldn't find the remote for the treadmill. So there's, there's definitely a single point of failure there. But, you know, the kids still, it's winter here, so we can, when it's winter in Arizona, we can all come alive and go outside. So it's gonna be a good runster season for me, at least until like April. And then it's it's gonna be like being in the oven again, but it's gonna be be like getting cooked on the sidewalk out there. Because you know, Arizona does not have grass. We have sidewalk and and we're cooking on it like an egg on a on a frying pan, basically. When we go out, my my summer walks are a max of six minutes, and then I'm like, whew, I'm I'm getting cooked. And I gotta go back in the house and
then that's it. That's the end of it. So we've, we've done a lot of good.
I don't know. I say I say we, but, like, Hussle did all the work because, you know, the this was really the year, I think, the year of vibe coding and the year of someone like yourself who just said, you know, I had a bad time with this Nike run club thing, and and I just want something to be better and I want it to exist. And you realize that you could make it yourself. And I don't wanna, like, I don't wanna oversimplify it because it's not like you just went and got into an app
and just, like, built it one day. Like like, I watched hustle work on this all year. Like, all year, like, there were many iterations of it. Like, you worked really hard on this. So if anybody's like, well, he just vibe coded that. And that was that was that was easy. Anybody could do that. No. Like, this was hard. I think it was hard. I don't know. What do you think? Do you think anybody could do this? I don't think anybody could do this. I think it helped that I was getting into, like, software development
and, sort of, like, learning the ropes of, like, how GitHub works,
like, the basics of, like, like, programming, like, knowing what a function is and things like that. But I think in general, for, like, the whole, like, vibe coding space,
like, I don't know if it's, like, sort of like a meme at this point, but, you know, this is the worst AI it's gonna get.
Yeah. Right now, worst vibe coding will ever like, when I look back on what I was attempting to do with Claude,
like, two point something,
I was like, man, like like, what was I even doing? I I probably shouldn't have even, like, started. I mean but,
like, nowadays, like the tools that are coming out are
I guess. But, like, nowadays, like, the tools coming out are, like, so powerful.
Yeah.
That, That's a crazy thing. Yeah. I mean, like,
it'd be easier. I think in the beginning, it was, like, pretty tough. I did have help from the Nostra dev team. They were, like, you know, like, AI hallucinations,
repos that were, like,
you know, like, that the AI had, like, no idea how to, like, work with because it was, like Yeah. Way too, like, overly complex.
And, there was, like, a a bunch of different tools and a bunch of different processes.
I think if there is any advice to, like, Vibe coders or
aspiring Vibe coders,
it would be to have, like, a really simple process and,
to, like, personalize it
to whatever works best for you. What works really well for someone,
you know, over here might be
a complete disaster for another person. Like, right now, there are, like, MCPs.
There are agents and there are,
like, different, like, advanced features on the cursor. And, you can, like, really,
you you can really, like, go into, like, a rabbit hole of, okay, what's the next hot tool that I should be using? Yeah. I went into the cursor rabbit hole the other day. Like, that's a deep rabbit hole of what it what it can
do. Yeah. Yeah. But that one's that's like such a professional developer kind of like, cursor is a professional developer kind of tool. Like, I think that you you're gonna get something out of that if you're already a dev, if you're already working in software development. I don't I don't think the cursor is for the new person, but that's you know, I would I was on deep dive, though.
I think, cursor was alright. I mean, right, nowadays, I'm using Claude code. Mhmm. I'm in I think most people should.
Yeah. You need to try. I wanna see if you could do in Shakespeare, what you've done this year in Claude code. And because specifically I've, you know, I watch Alex develop Shakespeare and I mean, like he will ship three times a day. Like he will, he updates Shakespeare so much, and he'll be working on it, like, all night. And I'll wake up, and he's like, yeah. So, you could create images now. And I'm like, damn. I was I was, like, eating a sandwich in in my kitchen at four in the morning, and you were just, like, building this amazing, you know, feature in the app. And, you know, and part of this is the acceleration of AI and, you know, like, things that kind of I think were laborious,
still fun, but a little more laborious four months ago.
Shakespeare can just do now. Like, if you tap into Claude Opus 4.5, which is a little that's the pricey one. Right? But it's the best one right now, I think.
And and use that model.
Things that I would have spent maybe, like, a couple hours on, maybe at least an hour or two to make a portfolio site. I can just say I can get into Shakespeare now and say to Shakespeare, just portfolio and, you know, cause my end pub, it knows who I am. And it just makes me a Noster portfolio site like that based on my end pub,
like based on what's my what's in my profile
on Noster. Like, it just made me a profile with everything that you would want in a profile. Like it read into it and went, ah, she's gonna want, you know, a link to this article and a link to this website of hers. And we'll, we'll make her this bio. And it was like, I couldn't I would have spent an afternoon
making that myself on some crappy
website. But I mean, it did it in minutes and it probably cost a few bucks. I have to go back and see and see what it costs. But it would be interesting to see, like, you having, you know, the knowledge and experience that you have now. Like, if you could go make another Runster
in Shakespeare. I haven't tried it myself. Like, I don't I think it would probably do it, but it it would take, like, if you wanted to clone Runster, you you probably could. Like, you could probably import from your GitHub and try to do it in Shakespeare, but, you know, you've essentially already built a Napster app. And and Shakespeare is it builds Napster app. So, like, you pretty much walked so everyone else could run, you know, you know, to to bring it home to Runster. Like, you did the most work, and I think that it's gonna get easier from here on out if somebody else wants to come in and and make their own kind of Runster.
They may not have as long a road or as tough a road, but you still I think you still have to be careful about the code you create, though, when you're doing all these these Vibe coded things. And, you know, obviously, you're you keep working on it. You keep maintaining it. And I think that's the most important thing is that, like, you actually mean to do this and maintain it and and be here and stay here.
Yep. Like, Vibe coding quickly turns into Vibe bug fixing.
Nobody talks about the Vibe debugging. Okay? I think that's maybe that's, like, a little bit of the joy of it.
To have
a problem
that that you keep being presented with and, like, just logically
having, like, having very logical conversations
Yeah. To try to, like,
endpoint what exactly the problem is. Can we learn from this?
Can we do this better? Does does the AI understand its pattern? That's the one where I that's the prompt I've learned. It's it's like, hello. Are you not getting this pattern here? You've not fixed this bug. You know? And, like,
Shakespeare will do, like, some auto, you know, fixing on its own, but it's still at some point, every AI goes off the rails, and you have to bring it back and be like, hey. You're being an idiot. Do you not see what you're you have to it'd be we wanna say it nice, though, because the robots are gonna come after us someday. They'll remember which of us humans were polite to the I think. Yeah. But I think, like, the big problems with,
like, a vibe coding
is, like, the context window.
Mhmm.
Continue the same conversation
for, like, days and days and days on end because that'll just completely
use it. And so you'll need to, like, break
smaller conversations. Yeah. You gotta cut them off.
Yeah.
Sometimes you gotta start over too, as I've learned, because I I was making Cashew wallets last week in my I did not like my first couple of Cashew wallets. Like, it was probably the fourth one I did that I liked and was like, okay. I'll share this
one with the world. Oh, god. Not the other ones.
As far as, like, what I would be able to what I'd be interested in using Shakespeare for, we have a a website, runster.club.
That's right. Yeah. I remember you mentioning using it for that. We were talking about, Eventbrite and runsignup
and active.com,
how they're kind of, like, high fee middlemen that are taking a cut in, like, ticket sales. And Runster's mission is to, you know, like, offer that private running app, but also to, like
like, stop, like, a lot of those, like, exploitative,
I guess, maybe, or,
extractive, like, fees that are, like, coming out from, people who are getting in between ticket sales and whatnot.
Really? So with
people are able to create fitness events, either, virtual or in,
in meet space.
Uh-huh. And so it's kind of like a super simple version of run sign up. There there aren't a lot of, like, bells and whistles.
I'll probably be throwing a a bunch more features and customizing it a a little bit more. Yeah. That's the, runster.club
is sort of like, it's the home page for the app where you can
find the the different download links, but it's also, like, our run sign up competitor.
And so that's, the
website we'll be taking. So I'll be interested to, import the repo into Shakespeare and, and give that a shot. That'll be something to do. We're freeing the runners. We're we're putting a little more money back in your pocket, giving you a little bit, you know, well, a lot more of a private experience with Runster for sure. And then I I think once you get into this
this kind of lifestyle where maybe you're you're into Bitcoin or maybe you're a Bitcoin or what however you see it and you start to look at Nasr and go, okay. Well, Nasr is gonna
be private to to some extent, you know, compared to, like, Meta or LinkedIn. They want your ID. Right? And which which I am not gonna give up my ID to LinkedIn. Damn it. I, you know, hate it. You know, why should I have to be verified on all of the things really? Like,
yeah. Long story short, you know, I've I've had bad experiences with Meta. You know, they they memorialized me one day. They froze up my Instagram and said I was dead. And, you know, you know, my prayers to the other Heather Larson who probably did die. If you see the recurring theme You and that other Heather. I know. That Bank of America thing, that Instagram thing, but, I mean, like, like, you're just a number to them. And so, like, you know, with with Runster, you're not even a number to us. You're you're you're a nim. We don't even know who you are. So, you know, I was like, we love you, but we wanna we want people to be able to do things. Like, we want you to have your privacy. We want you to have your anonymity.
We want you to be able to do something without like, I looked at this one thing today that you sent me, and it's like, if I wanna do my own run, it it's gonna cost me, like, $500
or or, you know, like, $2,000
to put on a running event, and that that's insane. That's like, who's who's paying this? You know? And that and that's for charity too. Fees and flat fees
Yeah. Like Transaction fee.
Charities need to make money, you know, hands down. Like, it's it's harder than ever to run a nonprofit. It's harder than ever to fundraise
and and keep money on the books. And, like, I've I've done the nonprofit thing. Like, you know, every every time July is rolling around, you're like, are we gonna make it? Are we are we gonna be around next year? Like, are we are we gonna have funding, especially if you receive state funding? Because a a lot of nonprofits exist on, you know, state funding.
And so if we can get this, you know, kind of we're in like a transition phase. Like, we're we haven't had hyperbitcoinization
yet, obviously, but I think people are starting to get it, and we're seeing the mainstream now. Like, did you see you could probably buy it in Charles Schwab now? You know, like, so fine. Like,
these these big name bank probably Bank of America too.
Oh, they'll be the last ones because they're terrible, but, you know, it's starting to hit the mainstream.
I think it'll be
until then, like, I guess, we'll just start or we'll just, continue building the tools. We're using, Nasr as a for anonymous accounts, and we're using Bitcoin to remove middlemen.
So, you know, if you can, like, sell if you can sell, like, event tickets over lightning to, like, audiences that are, like, accustomed to doing that sort of thing, if you can promote your event on Nasr
and have it show up on
Primal and have it show up on, like, Satlantis
and have it show up, in the Orange Pill app that are, like, all using, like, the same Nostr event kind to display, like, these sort of events. There's, like, a a big, like, community sort of aspect to it. There's a a reduction in friction aspect to it. There's a global aspect to it because, you know, like, people in, like, other countries, you know, if they wanted to participate in a five k run to,
homelessness homelessness or world hunger or, you know, like, whatever sort of, like, charitable sort of fundraiser someone wants to hold,
they might just, like, be barred from participating because they don't,
because they don't, like, have Visa. They don't have Mastercard, so they have no way of paying. And, like, vice versa, if somebody in Africa
wants to, throw, like, an event to, like, raise funds for something,
Bitcoin,
sort of, like, eliminates the whole,
it eliminates,
them being, like, restricted from, like, the global markets to, like, raise money and things like that. It eliminates that border, the myth of the border. Right? Like, we're we're all humans, so they don't need to be bordered. Yeah. It it,
Nasr is, like, really great at, like, connecting communities and, like, Bitcoin's really good at, like, removing middlemen. And there's a there's a super synergy there.
Yeah. It's awesome. Well, hustle you you really hustled this year, and you made this happen. And now we've got Runster in the world, and and we'll get more people,
more people running and and doing doing the healthy thing and probably more of a a healthier ecosystem, the more decentralized,
anonymous,
private. You know? You can feel good about your data. You know? We're not spying on you. We don't wanna be spied on, so we're not gonna spy on people. And I I love that ethos in this Bitcoin Doster space where we're just kinda making a a different way. And it's it's something that if you haven't thought about it before, hopefully, this podcast episode will make you start to think, like, what are they talking about with Android phones and graphene? And what are they talking about? Well, you know, hey. I got screwed by b of a too. And, hey. I got, you know, I got screwed by Nike run club or whoever. My my data ended up somewhere, and it's like me if you've been thinking about, you know, pulling back control of your own data, and you have questions about this and and how to go about interacting online in a in a healthier way where you're no longer a product, and you just, you know, you can just run, sir. You just get what you need. You know? You're not you don't have to, like, give anything up. It's not it's not like so sometimes I would I would feel like I've been just giving up information. I'm like, well, I guess there's no other way. You know? But now, like, we're we're making another way. You have a choice now.
It's literally one button, and we don't ask for any information. So you you click start and
Awesome. You you did a great job this year. I think you you can be really proud of of Runster. I am I I think that this by the by the way,
I will shout out that that Hussle here is actually he was the winner of the NosFabrica
Challenge for 2025
Runster, and that's that's how we met. And then, you know, you also did startup day and and Meredith, as you did mention that, but, this was the the number one winning app and the first, you know, inaugural
Nostra Fabrica Challenge. And then, you know, you went down to Mexico and and did that thing there, and then we just you know, you're just gonna hustle it up all the way into 2026, man. Yeah. Like, so, well, we've partnered with PlebLab. And Mhmm.
So we're gonna be getting a lot of expertise and advice from them and support from them. And as far as future plans,
we're probably gonna be partnering with an event management
platform
so that we can start doing a in person runs to races.
Maybe, an in person runs to race might be coming to a city near you. So we'll see how that works.
That's gonna be exciting stuff in 2026.
Runs to IRL. That's the great part about Doster people, Doster Bitcoin people, like we are not content to stay in the online shadowy
supercoder
shadows. We got to go IRL and meet in real life. So
cheers to that in 2026. Yeah. I mean,
of course. Cheers. Cheers. Okay. One last question for you.
Do you since you mentioned Wave Lake, do you have a favorite song
from the Wave Lake,
catalog
of music of Bitcoin
Nostra artists? Oh,
I like,
Picture Room.
I like, a lot of his I like a lot of his songs.
Alright.
And
let me see. There were
there were a few rap songs I liked on there. I know, like, Man Like Quakes has New Day. That was a pretty good one.
Oh, god. He's got, like, 60 something songs. I think he he's got a lot.
That's that's my friend too. Put me on I I know. That's what I like to do. Listen to wave like in in so much, but maybe I should hop on my phone or if I can check
Because, they're they're The most recent favorite might be Oh, man.
You you know, Derek Ross made, this ZapTrax app, and, like, I was listening to songs on my phone on Wave Lake one day, and there it was a new man like Quick Song, and then I I logged on on my desktop. I logged on to Derek ZapTrax,
and it remembered the last song I was listening to on Wave Lake, and that was such a trip to me because it that's the interoperability
of, like, you know, maybe you're you're messing around on primal or damus, and you see, you know, a health note for me, you know, like
a like Heather went on a run and and you're seeing it in your social feed, and then, like, maybe you go in the club orange app and maybe it pops up there too. I don't know. But that's, like, the interoperability
of it all to where
wherever you log in, like, you you have you have possession. We'll put it that way. Possession of your runster data and how you have the choice on how to use it. It's back in your control, but it's the interoperability
though that that's just that's kind of like where everybody's light turns on with Noster. Yeah. I really like, big awesome. That was from demo 16. It's funny. I actually have
songs on wave wake.
Are you in them?
I have a couple. I'm I'm in some some of them too.
Oh, beats on Wave Lake.
Oh my god. You're famous though. Wave Lake, you'll you'll see me there too.
That's cool. I you know, I I did tell Sam, like, a couple times. I was like, you should see what what Hustle's doing with Rentster, and he can incorporate Wave Link. And and Sam's all for it. So if anybody's listening and going, like, can you really just put Wave Link in your app? Yeah. You can. Like, the wave link creators is is all about it because he's all about open source creation. And the whole time I've known Sam, he said,
come make something on wave link. Come come keep building. It's open source. Go go wild. And
yeah. So he liked that. Really liked
car.
Which one? Arson car, he,
Arson car, he has, maybe in January.
Uncertain.
I like the retrograde.
Yeah. Gotta have the retrograde.
And, two weeks in Nashville.
There's a black vulcanite
Yeah.
Benny jeans.
Mhmm.
Solid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Had some things on here.
Had my, had my wave like playlist, my, wave like running playlist going on.
All right. There we go. He he's
nostril to the core, Bitcoin and nostril guy to the core, the wild hustle. Now we know your favorite songs and, and we've seen your face. Yep.
Stepping out from the shadows.
Out of the shadows. Gotta gotta be the runster boss. Gotta gotta gotta be seen.
Thanks
thanks for being on video for me today.
Yes.
You know, like, trusting or doing business with someone you actually, can see. So maybe that's,
adding a a little bit of a transparency
or a a little bit more transparency on top of what I'm doing. Doxed, man. Just doxed.
Well, thank you. Thanks for being my guest.
You know, it's been great working with you in 2025
and watching you kick ass, and we we keep just watching what the hustle hustles. I mean, it's just it's a nonstop hustle. It's it's amazing. And it's I don't know.
I'm
blessed
to work with with folks like you. And, Ed, you're so kind to give you your time and let me do a radio detox with you and and be my guest today. So, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. You're helping people detox, man.
Pleasure is mine. It's been great working with you. Thank you for, giving me the time to time to talk, and,
look forward to, doing it again, and
look forward to hustling in 2026.