1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,700 happy friday and if you're like me and you work in austria and bitcoin every day is a friday happy 2 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:14,520 happy every day is how i roll that's how radio detox began i was still in fiat world uh trying 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:20,580 to get out it's been around for almost a year and a half now so welcome what i'm going to start 4 00:00:20,580 --> 00:00:27,320 doing is putting the podcast out on fridays so you have it for the weekend and this weekend 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,600 seemed like the best weekend to do it because it's Super Bowl Sunday in the US and maybe I'll 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:38,080 do something Super Bowl oriented. I actually have no plans because my plans got ruined. 7 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:44,840 I was going to go see Rustin Kelly at the Crescent Ballroom here in Phoenix and that got canceled 8 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,660 because apparently you probably shouldn't slate a show for Super Bowl Sunday. So enjoy the new 9 00:00:50,660 --> 00:00:56,780 cadence of Radio Detox coming out on Fridays. Today I'm talking to one of my favorite Bitcoiners 10 00:00:56,780 --> 00:01:01,640 a little biased here because I'm going to be a little partial to the folks who do journalism 11 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:07,940 in this space since I spend so much time doing big media journalism myself over the years. And 12 00:01:07,940 --> 00:01:14,740 I'm talking about Frank Korba. This guy went from covering the president to covering some protocols 13 00:01:14,740 --> 00:01:22,480 and open sourcing the journalism, right? So in this episode of Radio Detox, our former White House 14 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:29,120 correspondent frank korba is sharing his unexpected path to bitcoin journalism the burnout that comes 15 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:35,000 with 24 7 news cycles i have some things to say about that too and why frank sees nostril as the 16 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:42,300 next frontier for independent media which which i that's a view i share so we get candid here i 17 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:47,760 love this conversation with frank i think this is the best conversation i've had yet on radio detox 18 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,000 we're digging into Bitcoin circular economies around the world. 19 00:01:52,420 --> 00:01:56,120 Why onboarding people is mattering more than ever. 20 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:59,160 I know that's cliche to say it matters more than ever. 21 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,020 But stay with us here. 22 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,740 The focus in the world is shifting. 23 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:06,420 There's a seismic shift in the world going on. 24 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,220 So we're going to talk about a lot of these things. 25 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:12,200 And also, due to a recent article that Frank wrote 26 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,680 and some subsequent hate he received for it on the Deadbird app, 27 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:32,620 We're going to talk about the unique challenges women are facing in open source development and the DIY ethos, ethos, ethos and pathos of punk rock and how that mirrors the decentralized spirit of Bitcoin. 28 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:42,580 And Frank has, I think, some little bit of gonzo journalism, maybe some experience in the punk rock scene, some experience in the music scene. 29 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:49,800 We're going to find out how far Frank goes back with bands like Black Volcanite. 30 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,120 I'm not even kidding you. 31 00:02:52,780 --> 00:02:56,080 And the one and only Sam Means. 32 00:02:56,660 --> 00:02:58,500 We love you, Means, if you're listening. 33 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,280 I don't think you have time to listen. 34 00:03:01,220 --> 00:03:07,600 So Means, of course, back on tour with the format and the CEO of Wavelake. 35 00:03:07,780 --> 00:03:09,940 But there's a bigger story always. 36 00:03:10,180 --> 00:03:11,620 Sam is too quiet. 37 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:19,300 We never quite know things about Sam, what he's up to, but Frank has a story about Sam that goes way back. 38 00:03:19,420 --> 00:03:23,980 So we're going to get into all of that, and I'm going to play most of the music at the end. 39 00:03:24,380 --> 00:03:26,360 But let's kick it off with a song. 40 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:31,720 Let's do two songs, actually, because since I mentioned Black Vulcanite, we've got to play Black Vulcanite. 41 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,640 I'm never going to pass up an excuse to play Black Vulcanite on Radio Detox. 42 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:38,440 I've played them a couple times so far. 43 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:40,580 So we'll kick things off with them. 44 00:03:40,580 --> 00:03:43,560 And also Ainsley Costello. 45 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:51,980 We get into the conversation of the great article that Frank wrote that mentioned a lot of our value for value artists in this space. 46 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:58,660 And, you know, just the fact that he covered it for Forbes is something that I will always appreciate. 47 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:07,600 And he he loves all of these artists that I've just mentioned, and especially Ainsley, who was the first first million sats artist in this space. 48 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:17,480 And your next chance to see Ainsley Costello entertain all of us in this space is going to be March 15th in Washington, D.C. at Pub Key. 49 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:23,200 We've got a big old after party that we're planning after the Runster District 5K. 50 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,260 So you can start your day with a 5K March 15th in D.C. 51 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:29,040 Get all the details. 52 00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:30,740 Register for the race. 53 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,780 It's a charity race. 54 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,560 I'll get into more detail later on about the charities. 55 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,920 Oh, hell, let's just do it. 56 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,980 Chimes International, HRF, and the ALS Network. 57 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,740 So this is your chance to take part in the 5K in D.C. 58 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,340 and decide which of those three charities I just mentioned get a nice $500 prize 59 00:04:51,340 --> 00:04:57,580 for having the most people choosing that charity as the source, 60 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,640 the recipient, I guess, for your 5K run. 61 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,460 And that's March 15th in D.C. 62 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:05,900 So after you do the 5K race, we're all heading over to PubKey, 63 00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:08,600 in Washington, D.C. 64 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,320 The race is at Haines Point 65 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,420 and Pub Key just a few miles away. 66 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:13,880 This is going to be a gorgeous Sunday. 67 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,060 I mentioned cherry blossoms in bloom. 68 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,800 Beautiful flat course. 69 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,540 You run your 5K on this lovely 70 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:22,260 scenic flat course in D.C. 71 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,200 Then we go to Pub Key. 72 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,520 We're going to see Ainsley Costello 73 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,000 perform at noon. 74 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:28,840 I want you all there. 75 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,160 All you mid-Atlantic, eastern seaboard folks, 76 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,260 New Yorkers, Pennsylvania, 77 00:05:34,260 --> 00:05:36,620 Virginia, come on, check in. 78 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:41,620 Come down to Pub Key and see this lady perform live. 79 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:49,460 Am I in too deep? 80 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:54,200 Is there something wrong with me? 81 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:56,840 I'm in trouble. 82 00:05:57,180 --> 00:06:00,160 I know it's out of control. 83 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,060 So I put it on a shelf. 84 00:06:04,260 --> 00:06:09,000 That that would really help 85 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,680 But it caught up to me 86 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,140 Can't hide it, it seems 87 00:06:15,140 --> 00:06:18,160 I'm coming clean 88 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,160 I've got a U problem 89 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,800 If you're an ocean 90 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,980 I'll sink to the water 91 00:06:27,980 --> 00:06:32,180 You're on my mind 92 00:06:32,180 --> 00:06:36,940 It's no big deal, it's just all of the time 93 00:06:36,940 --> 00:06:42,680 And I don't know how to solve the U problem 94 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:50,500 Didn't ask for this 95 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:55,280 Wasn't on the list 96 00:06:55,280 --> 00:07:01,320 If I knew you were coming, could have been more prepared 97 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,260 But that's just how it goes 98 00:07:05,260 --> 00:07:10,700 Guess no one really knows 99 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:12,920 Plan accordingly 100 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:19,020 But then you need someone like you 101 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:23,920 Now I've got a you problem 102 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,880 If you're an ocean I'll sink to the bottom 103 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:35,260 You're on my mind, it's no big deal 104 00:07:35,260 --> 00:07:37,740 It's just all of the time 105 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:40,820 And I don't know how to solve it 106 00:07:40,820 --> 00:07:44,300 You, the blend 107 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:49,320 You, the blend 108 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,420 Call me what you like 109 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:55,140 And you know that I'll come with you 110 00:07:55,140 --> 00:07:57,240 Even if I try 111 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,520 I don't think that this is something I could ever keep in play 112 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,860 I can't keep pushing you away 113 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:10,520 If you're the one I never saw, I don't think I care at all 114 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:16,260 Yeah, I've got a you problem 115 00:08:16,260 --> 00:08:21,100 If you're an ocean, I'll sink to the bottom 116 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:25,940 Yeah, I've got a you problem 117 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:27,940 I love you, you're innocent 118 00:08:27,940 --> 00:08:32,940 I'm free to the border 119 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:34,940 You're on my mind 120 00:08:34,940 --> 00:08:36,940 It's how many things 121 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:39,940 It's just all of the time 122 00:08:39,940 --> 00:08:42,940 But I don't wanna solve it 123 00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:46,940 You forever 124 00:08:46,940 --> 00:08:51,940 So I want you to hide 125 00:08:51,940 --> 00:08:57,500 I know that I come running to you 126 00:08:57,500 --> 00:08:59,300 Call me what you love 127 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:02,180 Call me what you love 128 00:09:02,180 --> 00:09:04,020 I think that could be something 129 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:06,480 Yeah, I want to do something 130 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,940 So I'm coming clean 131 00:09:21,940 --> 00:09:27,580 She's praying at the altar, waiting for God, waiting for God 132 00:09:27,580 --> 00:09:32,780 Death songs are escape, she's not waiting for long, waiting for long 133 00:09:32,780 --> 00:09:38,380 She knows it's gonna cross her, but she always buys in, living through sin 134 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:42,260 At the end of the day, at the end of the day 135 00:09:42,260 --> 00:09:46,820 Meet a single mother of five, trying to stay alive and thrive 136 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:50,060 As she deep dives, swim ocean and builds, a highly skilled worker 137 00:09:50,060 --> 00:09:53,360 Sometimes substitute twerker, she entertains men 138 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,220 And at night by candlelight she always scripted the pen 139 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:59,060 Memoirs of who she then was before she met him 140 00:09:59,060 --> 00:10:01,820 A fine young man with patriarchy in his denim 141 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:04,540 He wandered and danded a couple of months and left her pregnant 142 00:10:04,540 --> 00:10:07,140 He wasn't the first and he surely wasn't the last 143 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,680 Aging face a reflection as she cleaning the glass 144 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:12,380 Finally caught a break and she moved to the city 145 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:15,020 Where she worked a good job as the head of committees 146 00:10:15,020 --> 00:10:18,040 But pity wasn't enough though as death followed her 147 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,440 And death followed her around down 148 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,560 She lost her youngest 149 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:23,320 Then grief grew like a fungus 150 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,340 None to be seen 151 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:25,900 Previously had friends in abundance 152 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:27,780 She's lost but she keeps moving on 153 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:29,540 She keeps moving on strong 154 00:10:29,540 --> 00:10:31,440 Head held high to the start 155 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,960 She's praying at the altar 156 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,720 Waiting for God, waiting for God 157 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,180 Blessings are at stake 158 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,960 She's not waiting for long, waiting for long 159 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,100 She knows it's gonna cost her 160 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:47,020 But she always buys in 161 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:52,400 Living to a sin at the end of the day, at the end of the day 162 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,180 I'm having late night conversations with my internal 163 00:10:55,180 --> 00:10:56,800 I know she thinking them thoughts too 164 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,400 Forever living the inferno 165 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,500 I was a princess, she daddy's little girl 166 00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:03,160 Her life don't always work out just how you want it to 167 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,400 These fat dudes spew sexist remarks like 168 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,700 Hey bitch, come here ho 169 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,220 Here's 250, you cook a dance at my table 170 00:11:09,220 --> 00:11:11,960 She tell them no touch, but they would always grab a handful 171 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,840 She tell them no rush, but yo, there's always a private room 172 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,600 But that's gon' cost you an extra 500 bucks 173 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,780 She don't like what she doing, the money don't fuck 174 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:22,860 She cop whatever she run, put up with all the slanderin' drunks 175 00:11:22,860 --> 00:11:25,180 But really I just think she's looking for a way out 176 00:11:25,180 --> 00:11:27,860 She got a sugar daddy with whom she can go and play count 177 00:11:27,860 --> 00:11:30,820 But little does she know that that nigga's ass about to sin in 178 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:33,560 He and the women, plenty by standards that men live in 179 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,120 He hit him raw, for real fam, no second thought 180 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,900 See, they all thought they was the worm, but uh, second thought 181 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,580 He had a bow, one, two, three and to the fall 182 00:11:41,580 --> 00:11:44,300 A broken heart ain't nothing compared to a life blown 183 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:47,060 Stay up mama, recognize that you almost home 184 00:11:47,060 --> 00:11:49,620 She's praying at the altar 185 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:53,320 Waiting for God, waiting for God 186 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,740 Blessings are a saint 187 00:11:54,740 --> 00:11:58,500 She's not waiting for long, waiting for long 188 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:00,700 She knows it's gonna cost her 189 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:04,060 But she always buys in, living through sin 190 00:12:04,060 --> 00:12:07,920 At the end of the day, at the end of the day 191 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,200 She suffered a setback 192 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,180 Her color is jet black 193 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:14,180 Her skin color's like jet black 194 00:12:14,180 --> 00:12:16,820 Like a white girl that cuts herself just to feel alive 195 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:19,380 She claims she an orphan but parents are still alive 196 00:12:19,380 --> 00:12:22,100 Feels alone, she talks to her gran on the telephone 197 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:24,820 Life is inside out, it's something like palindrome 198 00:12:24,820 --> 00:12:27,700 She took all she owns, backpacked the roads alone 199 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:30,180 All she's ever want is acceptance to call her home 200 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:33,140 But she can't trust them, they see her breasts but can't touch them 201 00:12:33,140 --> 00:12:35,620 Lost woman, raised by patriarchy's bad customs 202 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:37,460 Got accustomed to the cat calling 203 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:39,460 She turned them down but they kept calling 204 00:12:39,460 --> 00:12:41,460 She disappears into the night falling 205 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:45,660 Dazed by the lights, gazed by the cries Of mothers who fell for the lies of her lover's 206 00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:49,080 goodbye Had a cousin of mine, had to do the fuck with her mind 207 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,600 Looking for direction in her life, there's no thing alone 208 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,020 She don't understand how divine she is, how defined she is 209 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:57,780 She been lost, but at least now she fine for years 210 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:03,480 She's praying at the altar, waiting for God, waiting for God 211 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,740 Her blessings are expected, she's not waiting for long, waiting for long 212 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:18,640 She knows it's gonna cost her, but she always buys in, living through sin, at the end of the day, at the end of the day. 213 00:13:24,580 --> 00:13:28,520 Is there a God, or is there just a universal truth? 214 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:40,300 Radio Detox is back with a guest who needs no introduction, but we will give the introduction. 215 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:47,620 Anyway, you know Frank Korva from being a White House correspondent, working with Bitcoin magazine, working with Forbes. 216 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:57,891 And I think you wrote one of the first really great articles about music in Bitcoin and Noster and what artists were doing for Forbes 217 00:13:58,371 --> 00:14:04,591 So welcome to Radio Detox, Frank Korva, one of our favorite journalists in this space. How are you, Frank? 218 00:14:05,572 --> 00:14:09,491 Doing well. Thank you so much for having me on. Much appreciated. Thank you for the kind introduction. 219 00:14:10,351 --> 00:14:13,611 Oh, I'm so glad to have you. You know, we've been reading you for a while. 220 00:14:13,611 --> 00:14:20,871 And you did, I guess, you're still involved with Bitcoin magazine, but you kind of left, I think, to kind of, I don't know. 221 00:14:21,151 --> 00:14:25,831 Did I recall something maybe about burnout or I think you're just moving on to something else? 222 00:14:26,211 --> 00:14:26,931 A little bit tired. 223 00:14:27,191 --> 00:14:33,952 It was probably, I was probably doing a little bit too much overall between traveling back and forth to D.C. almost every other week. 224 00:14:34,131 --> 00:14:38,671 And then plus international travel and the conferences we do and everything else. 225 00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:40,452 It was probably all a little bit too much. 226 00:14:40,452 --> 00:14:49,671 But I also hit a point. I don't know. I just tend to listen to my body when I get to points where it just seems like there's a moment now where it feels like it's time to move on. 227 00:14:50,131 --> 00:14:58,651 It took me a while to get to that point because obviously, like, who in a billion years would have ever thought Bitcoin magazine would have a White House correspondent, much less would that be me? 228 00:14:59,111 --> 00:15:06,111 Just a very sort of surreal situation. So I think part of it is just like it took me a minute to fully say, like, am I really going to move on from this? 229 00:15:06,111 --> 00:15:25,031 And it's hard. Some days I wonder if I made the right decisions. I mean, I left off on good terms at Bitcoin magazine. So when people come to me with some news to break, I'll still I'll happily do it for them. I do have to say, though, it has been nice to take a break from the news cycle and even politics. I'm not a big political person. And it's nice to sort of step back from that a little bit. 230 00:15:25,031 --> 00:15:42,671 I've been there. I left TV in 2021. I literally got sick and couldn't do it anymore. I'd had COVID and I was extremely ill. I had undiagnosed asthma. It was the perfect storm where it was like, I don't think I can go back to the newsroom. 231 00:15:42,671 --> 00:15:45,611 And at the time, you know, we were very shorthanded because of the pandemic. 232 00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:48,651 And so I was often producing two news shows a night. 233 00:15:48,811 --> 00:15:50,991 And it was just it was too much. 234 00:15:51,171 --> 00:15:51,931 And so I get that. 235 00:15:52,051 --> 00:15:54,091 News is very draining. 236 00:15:54,631 --> 00:15:58,991 I don't think people realize what a haul that is on a, you know, 24 hour news cycle. 237 00:15:58,991 --> 00:16:02,371 Seems like it's almost a 15 minute news cycle sometimes. 238 00:16:02,531 --> 00:16:05,652 And the White House is that is a whole other level. 239 00:16:05,991 --> 00:16:09,931 That is that is not a tea party cakewalk fun. 240 00:16:09,931 --> 00:16:13,711 I have a friend who did the White House correspondent thing as well. 241 00:16:13,791 --> 00:16:15,931 I have a friend Jamie, and it did not sound fun. 242 00:16:16,211 --> 00:16:16,631 It did not. 243 00:16:16,791 --> 00:16:20,371 It's obviously a great career peak, and you did it well. 244 00:16:21,411 --> 00:16:26,652 And did you learn anything from having to be, you know, at the White House? 245 00:16:27,091 --> 00:16:33,971 Yeah, I want to shout out the staff there, and not that I, you know, like that they're listening to all my podcasts or something. 246 00:16:33,971 --> 00:16:46,451 But I do want to mention it because there was, you know, we are at this really interesting moment where, you know, what you're doing as a podcaster or what we're doing as independent creators, you know, whether you like or dislike the Trump administration. 247 00:16:46,451 --> 00:16:49,351 And I'm sure many people listening have mixed feelings at best. 248 00:16:49,572 --> 00:16:52,131 You know, there's there's he tends to be polarizing. 249 00:16:52,131 --> 00:16:53,371 And I think he knows that. 250 00:16:53,431 --> 00:16:55,811 So I'm not saying anything sort of out of the ordinary here. 251 00:16:55,811 --> 00:17:03,871 But I will say one thing they did really, really well was so for Trump's first hundred days, they only had non-mainstream media come to the White House. 252 00:17:03,871 --> 00:17:11,091 So I was next to some guy who was like running a podcast in Pennsylvania as I'm sitting in a room with like Howard Lutnick and Bo Hines interviewing them. 253 00:17:11,091 --> 00:17:15,311 And whether you like or dislike the administration, that was, I think, a very, very smart move. 254 00:17:15,391 --> 00:17:20,492 The signaling to sort of the world out there. We understand that the media landscape is changing. 255 00:17:20,492 --> 00:17:23,971 So we're going to invite people in. Just very, very smart. 256 00:17:24,151 --> 00:17:29,811 And I think, you know, I'm not going to get political here, but it's something that I hope Democrats are taking note of. 257 00:17:29,911 --> 00:17:33,811 I think with Democrats, there tends to be a little bit more of like an ivory tower thing. 258 00:17:33,871 --> 00:17:41,052 Like, well, the specialists are here and only these people from The Wall Street Journal or Bloomberg or whoever could possibly know what they're talking about. 259 00:17:41,211 --> 00:17:43,012 And that wasn't so much the vibe with the administration. 260 00:17:43,131 --> 00:17:50,171 So I will say from like as a DIY enthusiast, as a believer in like if you want to do something, just do it. 261 00:17:50,272 --> 00:17:52,471 And then you could potentially even get invited to the White House. 262 00:17:52,831 --> 00:17:54,691 There is something very, very cool about that. 263 00:17:54,792 --> 00:17:56,671 Again, whether you like Trump or don't like Trump. 264 00:17:57,052 --> 00:17:57,851 So that part was great. 265 00:17:57,851 --> 00:18:02,331 But even being in there was a moment I'd gone to the press room for a few different things. 266 00:18:02,331 --> 00:18:13,792 But there was a moment where Carolyn Levitt did call on me and I asked about the the minimus exemption. And even in that moment, that seat that I was sitting in was specifically designated for new media. And that was literally in the front of the press room. 267 00:18:13,792 --> 00:18:21,191 So it's like there really is something sort of interesting to take note of there in terms of like, yeah, we're going to give some space to this. 268 00:18:21,191 --> 00:18:24,351 And I'm not I don't have a history as like a political correspondent. 269 00:18:24,532 --> 00:18:30,052 So it wasn't like, you know, they were they were like, oh, Frank seems to be like a MAGA enthusiast or something. 270 00:18:30,111 --> 00:18:33,411 We'll just sit him in the front like there's no evidence of that in anything I've ever written. 271 00:18:33,591 --> 00:18:38,512 It just was a genuine opportunity to sort of have some different new media in the room. 272 00:18:38,931 --> 00:18:43,211 Granted, David Bailey, you know, was obviously involved in some fundraising for Trump and the administration. 273 00:18:43,792 --> 00:18:46,312 So there was like, I guess, some love in that regard. 274 00:18:46,312 --> 00:18:48,211 But nobody was screening my questions. 275 00:18:48,431 --> 00:18:50,451 Nobody was telling me to ask pro-Trump questions. 276 00:18:51,032 --> 00:19:06,411 And that part of it, I think having played the long game as a writer and as someone doing media and tried to sort of remain sort of integral and to not get too political and to not cut corners and to just do bombastic things to get more likes and clicks. 277 00:19:06,711 --> 00:19:12,971 It felt good to have that opportunity to actually be in such a place and to have done it in a way that felt integral to who I am. 278 00:19:12,971 --> 00:19:34,211 Yeah, and I appreciate that. I appreciate that the Trump administration did that because there is an ivory tower. There is an old guard to journalism. There is, you know, having worked at it, there are a lot of people who stick around and they linger when I think new blood could be brought in and certainly people with new perspectives. 279 00:19:34,211 --> 00:19:45,691 And I think the old guard is protected. You know, I've seen younger, more diverse people come into journalism who probably do a better job than the old guard. 280 00:19:46,091 --> 00:19:50,731 The award winning, you know, they're doing great stories. They're breaking great stories. 281 00:19:51,071 --> 00:19:59,071 And, you know, the old guard still remains. And it's like, well, the old guard doesn't have, you know, without naming any names, the old guard doesn't have all of these, you know, awards. 282 00:19:59,071 --> 00:20:04,492 They're not, you know, capturing certain headlines, but they're still there, like tenured professors. 283 00:20:05,231 --> 00:20:07,431 And, you know, it gets stale. 284 00:20:08,071 --> 00:20:09,091 Same vibe, totally. 285 00:20:09,191 --> 00:20:09,371 Yeah. 286 00:20:09,591 --> 00:20:14,492 We live in a time where I don't think we can afford to do that anymore if we want to hold on to our democracy. 287 00:20:14,711 --> 00:20:19,752 We really need to get new life, not just in journalism, but in politics as well. 288 00:20:20,231 --> 00:20:27,971 We need to, you know, not to be like ageist and mean about a certain generation, but I think the writing is on the wall. 289 00:20:27,971 --> 00:20:34,512 And we are seeing things change, like Barry Weiss taking over CBS after the success with the free press. 290 00:20:35,272 --> 00:20:40,571 And, you know, that's certainly an incendiary situation if you follow the headlines about that. 291 00:20:40,772 --> 00:20:44,052 And I enjoy reading the free press and actually pay for it. 292 00:20:44,312 --> 00:20:46,772 And, you know, good journalism should be paid for. 293 00:20:46,971 --> 00:20:49,752 And I think original reporting should be paid for. 294 00:20:50,131 --> 00:20:53,171 If we like that, we need to put our money into it. 295 00:20:53,651 --> 00:20:56,911 And, you know, it's like $10 a month for me to pay for the free press. 296 00:20:56,911 --> 00:21:06,752 And, you know, that's on Substack. You know, that's that's one way of paying for quality journalism. I would love to see more journalists get onto Noster like yourself. 297 00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:15,131 Be fantastic. I've been there. I've been doing some stuff. I have to say the one thing that's hard. So I write a Substack each week and I've done so. 298 00:21:15,211 --> 00:21:19,471 That's how I got into Bitcoin or started putting content out five years ago now. 299 00:21:19,471 --> 00:21:29,971 So part of the reason I write the Substack, and I have transferred some of the pieces over, I think two of them from Substack through Highlighter, I think I've used as a Nostra client. 300 00:21:30,231 --> 00:21:32,131 It's a little, so it's not great yet. 301 00:21:32,211 --> 00:21:33,792 The UX for Highlighter isn't perfect. 302 00:21:33,992 --> 00:21:36,611 There's usually a bunch of glitches that I have to deal with as I do it. 303 00:21:36,711 --> 00:21:37,571 That's not an excuse. 304 00:21:37,691 --> 00:21:38,351 Don't get me wrong. 305 00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:41,451 It's just a matter of like, sometimes I have, it's just what it is. 306 00:21:41,451 --> 00:21:44,331 But that's the opportunity, right? 307 00:21:44,391 --> 00:21:47,512 We're at that point where it feels very much like early, early internet. 308 00:21:47,512 --> 00:22:01,812 Like we're remaking the internet with Nostra, which I love. Don't get me wrong. Some of it is just sort of like, OK, I did this post today here and then here and then here. Now, do I want to like do all this again on highlighter? Just laziness on my part. Don't get me wrong. Or just like I'm tired. 309 00:22:01,812 --> 00:22:12,431 There's tedious. Exactly. That's the word. It's tedious sometimes. But I think that the opportunity there, people, I usually get zapped for it when I do provide value there. 310 00:22:12,431 --> 00:22:19,371 I always like when I covered the samurai stuff and things like that, you know, I would make, you know, tons of sats doing stuff like this. 311 00:22:19,571 --> 00:22:26,171 And it felt like I don't see how people don't see that opportunity, whether you're an artist or whether you're a journalist or whatever. 312 00:22:26,171 --> 00:22:31,492 The only thing I would say is I've had this conversation with a lot of people who have bigger X handles. 313 00:22:31,871 --> 00:22:37,032 And I think Nostar has, what, maybe 40,000, 50,000 active weekly users, maybe more at this point. 314 00:22:37,252 --> 00:22:38,832 Something around there, daily or weekly. 315 00:22:39,012 --> 00:22:41,871 It's hard to tell, I think, because of relays, but that's another story. 316 00:22:42,752 --> 00:22:43,191 Totally. 317 00:22:43,471 --> 00:22:45,351 But I think part of it is just simply reach. 318 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:52,591 It's once that reach becomes bigger and bigger and more people come to Nostar, I think no doubt it will get more people will use it. 319 00:22:52,591 --> 00:22:55,711 I think right now also difficulty of user interface. 320 00:22:55,711 --> 00:22:57,552 I think Primal is probably the best. 321 00:22:57,711 --> 00:22:59,471 I think Dom is also quite good. 322 00:22:59,631 --> 00:23:04,492 But again, like I said, with Highlighter, I've done stuff and there's glitches and I have to go back and fix stuff and this and that. 323 00:23:04,772 --> 00:23:05,351 I'm happy. 324 00:23:05,691 --> 00:23:09,611 I think in a year, two, three, all of this stuff will be much, much better. 325 00:23:10,052 --> 00:23:12,711 So right now I say to people, like, deal with some of the pain. 326 00:23:13,032 --> 00:23:17,391 Even if you're just cross-posting, you post something on X, there's no harm in posting it on Nostra as well. 327 00:23:18,552 --> 00:23:21,691 But I think right now it's sort of network effects that we're battling with. 328 00:23:21,731 --> 00:23:24,971 How do we develop network effects on Nostra versus X? 329 00:23:24,971 --> 00:23:41,572 The thing we're missing is the network effect right now and bringing people into Nostra, retaining them and getting them to kind of to onboard and get that wallet and find that content that you're like, great, I found this great reporter, Frank Korva, and he's covering the samurai trial. 330 00:23:41,572 --> 00:23:46,091 And I'm very into this news story and I must follow this and I must sign the petition. 331 00:23:46,231 --> 00:23:47,171 I need to know everything about it. 332 00:23:47,191 --> 00:23:48,451 And I'm so appreciative of Frank. 333 00:23:48,812 --> 00:23:52,211 Frank, here's 450 sats because I read you today. 334 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,292 Like that's where we'll get. 335 00:23:54,292 --> 00:23:55,651 It could be 21 sats. 336 00:23:55,711 --> 00:23:56,891 It could be 2,100 sats. 337 00:23:57,032 --> 00:24:02,731 I love seeing people post content, whatever it is, and somebody says, oh, here you go. 338 00:24:02,752 --> 00:24:04,131 Here's 21,000 sats. 339 00:24:04,231 --> 00:24:09,131 And it's like, the system, I guess we don't have a system per se. 340 00:24:09,391 --> 00:24:10,012 The protocol. 341 00:24:10,191 --> 00:24:11,451 The protocol is working. 342 00:24:11,871 --> 00:24:18,651 We're able to support one another in our own new value-for-value Bitcoin circular economy. 343 00:24:18,651 --> 00:24:21,292 It's the biggest Bitcoin circular economy in the world is Noster. 344 00:24:22,111 --> 00:24:22,252 Yeah. 345 00:24:22,252 --> 00:24:26,812 Actually, I think I think I I don't know if I coined that, but I published that piece for Bitcoin magazine. 346 00:24:26,812 --> 00:24:31,871 It was because I'm sort of envious of the Bitcoin circular economies, which I cover a lot for Forbes. 347 00:24:31,992 --> 00:24:35,711 I've been to five of them, four of them in Africa and one in Latin America. 348 00:24:35,711 --> 00:24:39,891 And, you know, there's a sort of because of the gray area that exists there. 349 00:24:40,332 --> 00:24:45,812 Nobody's really going after people for like capital gains because they're spending Bitcoin or something like that. 350 00:24:45,931 --> 00:24:50,431 I think in the United States, it's going to be different, especially for businesses that are accepting it would block. 351 00:24:50,431 --> 00:25:03,252 We need the de minimis exemption because these businesses, well, not that the businesses are spending it, but for the average person who's maybe using Cash App to spend it, who's going to have to report on that Bitcoin disappearing from their wallet, it's a real issue. 352 00:25:03,252 --> 00:25:32,351 I think with Nostar, I don't think any of us are raking in like tens of thousands of dollars with it. So I don't think we're at any sort of, yeah, nor spending tens of thousands of dollars. So I don't think we're in any sort of danger there. Yeah, but it feels like the one place where globally, if somebody does something that's interesting, provides value, etc., where you could just very, very quickly tap on a button, somebody's getting zapped for what they did. That's the way I want to see Bitcoin work. That's just the way we want value to flow the same way information flows. 353 00:25:32,351 --> 00:25:57,211 And Noster, I think for people, I just onboarded a Japanese artist. I was a musician for many, many years and I recorded a record in Japan and she did the cover art for my record and her husband and I went to grad school together. Yeah. And I onboarded her and just said like, look, you put all your stuff on Instagram, just like download Noster Build, put all your stuff here. Not download, use Noster Build, put all your stuff here on, just post your paintings here. 354 00:25:57,211 --> 00:26:04,871 And I think the first time she posted, she made, I don't know, maybe 20, 30 bucks worth of Bitcoin, whatever that was at the time, you know, tens of thousands of sets. 355 00:26:05,351 --> 00:26:08,951 And she was just like, OK, the hardest part with all of it. 356 00:26:09,151 --> 00:26:09,471 Get it. 357 00:26:10,211 --> 00:26:13,351 Yeah, I think it's just the hurdle of what's a Noster? 358 00:26:13,871 --> 00:26:15,211 What's a Bitcoin wallet? 359 00:26:15,451 --> 00:26:16,072 What's a this? 360 00:26:16,151 --> 00:26:16,792 What's a that? 361 00:26:17,012 --> 00:26:18,591 And it's too much at once. 362 00:26:18,691 --> 00:26:20,552 That's yeah, that's unfamiliar. 363 00:26:20,552 --> 00:26:28,832 100% and I think people end up thinking it's more difficult than it is to get started like for I've 364 00:26:28,832 --> 00:26:33,832 heard the argument I actually interviewed Will from Damas at PubKey a few months back and he said 365 00:26:33,832 --> 00:26:39,211 something like Primal isn't a Nostra client and I don't even remember what his reason was but he 366 00:26:39,211 --> 00:26:44,351 was saying because of the way it's set up yeah and like the the way the relays are set up uh where 367 00:26:44,351 --> 00:26:49,871 they're not whatever it is his argument was like no it's not a Nostra I'm just like dude it's like 368 00:26:49,871 --> 00:26:53,012 I think about Primal like BlinkWallet. 369 00:26:53,091 --> 00:26:55,832 You could argue that some people say custodial Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin. 370 00:26:56,371 --> 00:26:57,851 It's still a good onboarding tool. 371 00:26:58,111 --> 00:27:03,151 Like if you want to move to Iris or Amethyst or some of these other Nostra clients, that's fine. 372 00:27:03,332 --> 00:27:04,151 Do that afterwards. 373 00:27:04,411 --> 00:27:13,072 But you still do need something that feels a little bit like the legacy system, which means like when you start an X account, it's not as glitchy. 374 00:27:13,231 --> 00:27:14,812 It's not glitchy at all. 375 00:27:14,871 --> 00:27:15,272 It's smooth. 376 00:27:15,371 --> 00:27:18,772 And I think Primal is the closest experience that we get to that right now. 377 00:27:18,772 --> 00:27:19,492 I agree. 378 00:27:19,492 --> 00:27:29,752 I there there people who are new to the space, they're not going to understand that there are a plethora of Bitcoin wallets, a plethora of Nostra apps. 379 00:27:29,752 --> 00:27:36,252 And I think Derek Ross and I recently discussed the argument of whether Primal is a Nostra app or not. 380 00:27:36,351 --> 00:27:39,851 I'm sure, you know, Fyajov, the creator of Nostra, has his own viewpoint. 381 00:27:39,971 --> 00:27:51,343 I think a few months ago the argument that Will started was that Primal has some centralization to it in order to operate it has opted in for the high explanation I won give That why I have Derek 382 00:27:51,343 --> 00:27:55,943 for Soapbox sessions. But, you know, that's, I think we get lost in some of these weeds because 383 00:27:55,943 --> 00:28:00,163 we're all so close to Noster and we're involved in building it and we're involved with the 384 00:28:00,163 --> 00:28:04,703 developers who are building it and we're testing things. And so we're contributing in some way. 385 00:28:04,843 --> 00:28:08,023 I think we get lost in the weeds where the general public hears this and goes, 386 00:28:08,023 --> 00:28:13,383 I don't know what that means. And that makes me feel stupid. So I'm not going to care. And in fact, 387 00:28:13,383 --> 00:28:17,343 I'm probably going to hate this because now it's made me feel stupid. And so I think that's one 388 00:28:17,343 --> 00:28:21,983 problem that we have where we have really smart people building really smart things for other 389 00:28:21,983 --> 00:28:25,963 smart people. We've got to remember that the general user, the average mainstream person, 390 00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:30,983 you know, it's February 2nd, it's Groundhog Day. So the mainstream people last night watched the 391 00:28:30,983 --> 00:28:37,363 Grammys. They're excited about the Super Bowl Sunday. They're using Spotify. They're having 392 00:28:37,363 --> 00:28:42,183 their banks hit them up with push notifications right now that you can buy crypto in the app 393 00:28:42,183 --> 00:28:47,803 whippy do and and now that the word crypto is starting to become a thing i have my my normie 394 00:28:47,803 --> 00:28:53,083 friends are like oh my god you're in crypto oh my god i just bought so much xrp and i'm just like 395 00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:59,643 oh you know that's the that's the sticky situation where we're in where people are starting to get 396 00:28:59,643 --> 00:29:05,083 curious and wake up and then they they might pop in a noster and go oh my god what is this okay but 397 00:29:05,083 --> 00:29:10,303 my crypto thing that I'm getting push notifications for on my phone, which is being marketed to 398 00:29:10,303 --> 00:29:11,943 me well in a way that makes sense. 399 00:29:12,243 --> 00:29:16,543 That's waking me up, whereas the Nostra crowd is just difficult and complicated. 400 00:29:16,543 --> 00:29:20,083 And I'm going to have to have a whole conversation or I'm going to want somebody to show me how 401 00:29:20,083 --> 00:29:24,763 to do something like we just need to kind of understand where we are and make it more 402 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:31,703 simple and digestible and say, OK, first of all, just open a Nostra account, which is 403 00:29:31,703 --> 00:29:36,923 not really technically correct, but it is a way to, you know, parlay it to normies and 404 00:29:36,923 --> 00:29:42,163 say, hey, just get a Noster thing, you know, get it, open it, now you're on Noster, boom. 405 00:29:42,243 --> 00:29:43,523 And then we'll go to the next step. 406 00:29:43,583 --> 00:29:49,023 Because once people see zapping and experience zapping, I find that they can't wait to zap 407 00:29:49,023 --> 00:29:49,583 other people. 408 00:29:49,683 --> 00:29:52,123 They don't get excited about receiving the money. 409 00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:54,743 They get excited about sharing it with other people. 410 00:29:55,023 --> 00:29:56,743 I don't know if you've seen the same thing. 411 00:29:57,663 --> 00:29:58,723 Yeah, I think both. 412 00:29:58,983 --> 00:29:59,643 It's actually funny. 413 00:29:59,643 --> 00:30:06,363 The person who I've probably seen the most excited about this is Leopoldo Lopez, who was one of the Venezuelan opposition leaders. 414 00:30:06,503 --> 00:30:09,303 Yeah, I did an interview with him at PubKia Fireside Chat. 415 00:30:09,663 --> 00:30:12,563 And, you know, it was really interesting. 416 00:30:12,703 --> 00:30:17,263 He was just like he was just he was showing the audience after the stream had ended, like how to zap. 417 00:30:17,363 --> 00:30:19,723 And like most people there probably knew how to do that already. 418 00:30:19,723 --> 00:30:23,263 But I ended up teaching some other Venezuelan activists how to do it. 419 00:30:23,343 --> 00:30:26,023 And he's just like blown away by it. 420 00:30:26,023 --> 00:30:29,963 And I was just like, man, this guy, I lived in Venezuela under Chavez. 421 00:30:29,963 --> 00:30:36,023 So I very much followed Leopoldo Lopez when he went to when he was put under house arrest and prisoned and all this stuff. 422 00:30:36,263 --> 00:30:45,063 And I'm like, if I ever thought that this was the way I would meet this guy, like at a Bitcoin bar and he's thrilled about zapping, like it was just kind of a surreal experience. 423 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:54,703 But but I think that, again, it's like that ability to transfer money so easily without KYC, without whatever, just literally like I like this thing done. 424 00:30:54,703 --> 00:30:57,323 And it's a quote, Andreas Antonopoulos. 425 00:30:57,523 --> 00:31:00,563 I think he said Bitcoin is better experienced than explained. 426 00:31:00,743 --> 00:31:02,283 And I think Nostra is the same thing. 427 00:31:02,403 --> 00:31:03,983 It's a similar, similar idea. 428 00:31:04,703 --> 00:31:06,503 How long ago did you meet Leopoldo Lopez? 429 00:31:06,963 --> 00:31:08,423 It was last year sometime. 430 00:31:08,663 --> 00:31:13,483 I've done two chats with him, one at an HRF event and one at PubKey since. 431 00:31:13,583 --> 00:31:14,403 And we've been in touch. 432 00:31:14,403 --> 00:31:16,483 So it was about, yeah, about a year ago or so. 433 00:31:16,663 --> 00:31:20,243 I'm curious because I haven't met him, but Soapbox, which is my full time job, 434 00:31:20,363 --> 00:31:24,383 our team was at the HRF AI Hack for Freedom and we were paired with him. 435 00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:27,223 And so we built an app that's now called Agora. 436 00:31:27,423 --> 00:31:32,703 Agora.spot is the, if somebody wants to go check it out and test it right now, we're working on the beta. 437 00:31:33,023 --> 00:31:39,823 And this is something that Leopoldo Lopez and the World Liberty Congress were working on because Twitter's banned in Venezuela. 438 00:31:40,143 --> 00:31:47,303 And they want a way to bring their community together, organize, do some community challenges, and do the zaps. 439 00:31:47,303 --> 00:31:53,703 And the zaps mean a lot more in Venezuela than they do here where I'm at in Phoenix, Arizona, where people are like, 440 00:31:53,703 --> 00:31:53,943 Totally. 441 00:31:54,503 --> 00:31:54,723 Bitcoin. 442 00:31:54,883 --> 00:31:57,623 When is it like my niece one day was, what is the Bitcoin stuff? 443 00:31:57,683 --> 00:31:58,963 Can you show me the Bitcoin stuff? 444 00:31:59,103 --> 00:32:03,283 And, you know, because she got some roundups for her, you know, coffee purchases and cash app. 445 00:32:03,363 --> 00:32:04,703 And so she became curious. 446 00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:07,503 And she's like, OK, yeah, you know, whatever. 447 00:32:07,903 --> 00:32:08,983 And kind of moved on. 448 00:32:08,983 --> 00:32:11,723 But the folks in Venezuela, that's transformative. 449 00:32:12,123 --> 00:32:18,743 And that's, to me, an awe-inspiring story of, you know, it may not mean much to Heather and Frank. 450 00:32:18,983 --> 00:32:23,383 You know, it may not buy a coffee for you or I, but it means so much to somebody else. 451 00:32:23,703 --> 00:32:27,583 in another part of the world. I think that's, broadly speaking, 452 00:32:27,703 --> 00:32:32,243 kind of the magic of Bitcoin. It's like, I'm going to be restarting a podcast I was doing 453 00:32:32,243 --> 00:32:36,403 for a bit before I started at Bitcoin Magazine, where I was mostly interviewing people from 454 00:32:36,403 --> 00:32:40,383 mostly Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia, what gets termed the global south, 455 00:32:40,523 --> 00:32:44,963 and also activists, specifically sort of having those conversations in places where I think 456 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:50,023 Bitcoin is either most beneficial or most needed. Yeah, I just think that what, and I was thinking 457 00:32:50,023 --> 00:32:54,203 about it as I restarted it. And I'm like, I don't want to manage the social media for it. I don't 458 00:32:54,203 --> 00:32:58,383 want to do this. And I was just like, oh, like, you know, I could probably hire someone from like 459 00:32:58,383 --> 00:33:03,763 Bitcoin Dada program. I teach in for African women who are learning about Bitcoin at a rate that 460 00:33:03,763 --> 00:33:08,723 feels good to them. That's worth their time maybe in Kenya or if they're getting there, you know, 461 00:33:08,803 --> 00:33:12,543 if they're just sort of looking to get their feet wet, you know, far more than if I were to go 462 00:33:12,543 --> 00:33:16,643 somewhere here in the States and say, I'm going to pay, you know, however much you have to pay. 463 00:33:16,643 --> 00:33:28,123 And I would rather the money go to someone who feels excited to become a part of the Bitcoin ecosystem, who has this opportunity strictly because of the Internet, strictly because of Bitcoin and strictly because of things like Noster. 464 00:33:28,363 --> 00:33:34,383 So I feel like that's the magic of what Bitcoin is. And I say this as someone I was I've worked for the United Nations. 465 00:33:34,383 --> 00:33:42,423 I taught immigrants for 12 years. I was I was everything from a college lecturer who taught non-native English speakers to an actual ESL teacher in New York public schools. 466 00:33:43,383 --> 00:33:45,003 I've lived in Venezuela. 467 00:33:45,223 --> 00:33:45,783 I've lived in Ghana. 468 00:33:45,943 --> 00:33:46,783 I've lived in Namibia. 469 00:33:47,503 --> 00:33:53,603 So I've seen a lot of programs that are designed to help people, and they do on some level. 470 00:33:53,603 --> 00:34:02,883 But I've never seen anything catalyzed sustainable change like this combination of this new technology, the Freedom Tech stack on the Internet. 471 00:34:02,883 --> 00:34:12,743 And I think the biggest thing that's most beautiful about it is like when you live in I've lived and worked in really poor communities, both here in New York and abroad. 472 00:34:12,863 --> 00:34:20,843 People who don't have as much financial opportunity or are of lower socioeconomic status are actually the most thrifty and frugal. 473 00:34:21,323 --> 00:34:25,983 So my thesis kind of is like, what happens if you sort of infuse that situation? 474 00:34:25,983 --> 00:34:32,763 someone who's willing to like take on opportunities that come their way if you infuse that with these 475 00:34:32,763 --> 00:34:38,163 opportunities plus you know the best money we've ever seen as a human species it's like what starts 476 00:34:38,163 --> 00:34:43,843 to happen they they very very quickly you will have people take this opportunity and run with it 477 00:34:43,843 --> 00:34:49,803 the thing with your niece much like my nieces and nephews and everything else is i don't know i don't 478 00:34:49,803 --> 00:34:54,063 even say this with any sort of condescending tone it's just reality we're steeped in such privilege 479 00:34:54,063 --> 00:34:58,223 here that you don't even realize why you would need something like Bitcoin. 480 00:34:58,703 --> 00:35:02,863 And people sometimes ask me, like, why do you focus outside of the political stuff I 481 00:35:02,863 --> 00:35:03,143 was doing? 482 00:35:03,243 --> 00:35:04,863 Like, why do you focus on Africa, Latin America? 483 00:35:04,923 --> 00:35:05,963 Why don't you do stuff here? 484 00:35:06,583 --> 00:35:10,023 It's because people get it much more quickly when there's a need for it. 485 00:35:10,083 --> 00:35:13,543 I can explain it to someone down the street for me, but their Venmo works fine. 486 00:35:14,203 --> 00:35:20,603 They don't, you know, dollars as much as they've been hurt, you know, inflation has hurt people. 487 00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:23,243 There's still not enough pain for people. 488 00:35:23,243 --> 00:35:26,003 the average person to go and just make this change. 489 00:35:26,423 --> 00:35:30,683 So it's like it's just it's easier if you're going to sort of spread the message, 490 00:35:30,683 --> 00:35:33,983 you want to spread it in a place where you feel like it's going to be received. 491 00:35:34,583 --> 00:35:38,963 So to me, it's just easier to do that in places that have historically been disenfranchised 492 00:35:38,963 --> 00:35:41,063 because people get the solution much more quickly. 493 00:35:41,603 --> 00:35:43,903 You were built for this a lot like I was. 494 00:35:44,023 --> 00:35:45,483 I worked in social work. 495 00:35:45,683 --> 00:35:46,683 You know, you were a teacher. 496 00:35:47,323 --> 00:35:49,263 I worked in the addiction field and social work. 497 00:35:49,263 --> 00:35:55,303 And so I worked in detox, jail, the courthouse, probation, worked with folks on their worst day. 498 00:35:55,463 --> 00:36:03,263 People walking in a detox, they've got nothing, there's no money, they don't even have an ID, and they just want to get off meth or booze or whatever. 499 00:36:03,563 --> 00:36:05,343 Their lives are in disarray. 500 00:36:05,823 --> 00:36:07,023 It's only up from there. 501 00:36:07,363 --> 00:36:15,463 And then you realize that maybe someone's done some time, and therefore they are a U.S. citizen, but a felon, and unbanked. 502 00:36:15,463 --> 00:36:21,783 And watching people get paid with a check and then going, well, I can't put this in a bank. 503 00:36:21,903 --> 00:36:25,383 I've got to go stand in line at, you know, the local check cashing center. 504 00:36:25,603 --> 00:36:28,383 And then I get cash or some cashier's checks. 505 00:36:28,383 --> 00:36:39,523 I've literally watched newly sober addicts save their value, save their money in cashier's checks because they didn't want to have the temptation of having cash on hand. 506 00:36:40,203 --> 00:36:43,383 You know, you can trade a cashier's check for a rock of cocaine. 507 00:36:43,543 --> 00:36:43,763 Yes. 508 00:36:43,763 --> 00:36:59,303 You know, obviously, I've seen that happen. I've seen people trade their EBT card or SS like their Social Security. Like I've seen people do that as well. But when people start to get on the straight and narrow, it's like, how do I remove the temptation? 509 00:36:59,303 --> 00:37:05,423 And also I'm unbanked, which makes it a payroll check kind of, you know, it's difficult. 510 00:37:05,543 --> 00:37:15,163 You get the payroll check and you've got to hang on to this, you know, this proof of work that they have in order to obtain the next thing to maybe, you know, someday get a place to live. 511 00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:18,263 You know, they're not at a place where they need those payroll checks to get loans yet. 512 00:37:18,363 --> 00:37:23,443 They just need a place to live and a proof of a job and a payroll check. 513 00:37:23,443 --> 00:37:38,043 And so I think when you've been there and you've watched people try to function in that world where they don't have the same privileges as the masses, it makes you kind of built for this work where you go, OK, I know there are use cases for Bitcoin in my country. 514 00:37:38,203 --> 00:37:51,483 But me going to talk to all the social workers that I used to work with at the Mental Health Crisis Center and the detox, they're not going to bite into Bitcoin as an idea yet until they see it help their clients. 515 00:37:51,483 --> 00:38:17,543 And I don't think we're there yet. But yeah, you go go to the Global South and you will see it. But I think you have a unique story, you know, just like how you are or how you were built for this. Like you didn't just start out as a correspondent for the White House. You have seen you've seen these these poor neighborhoods like I have and how people are just kind of surviving and people are hand to mouth and maybe not even paycheck to paycheck. 516 00:38:17,543 --> 00:38:23,343 You know, certainly there is a check every month for a good segment of society, but it's certainly not enough either. 517 00:38:23,763 --> 00:38:25,903 There's no saving money. 518 00:38:26,023 --> 00:38:33,703 And I've also seen people on Social Security who are disabled and they're getting that disability income, they will get credit cards. 519 00:38:34,183 --> 00:38:37,183 And, you know, it's like they can't afford to have a credit card. 520 00:38:37,283 --> 00:38:41,303 Like they can't afford to have interest on, you know, an emergency purchase. 521 00:38:41,303 --> 00:38:44,623 And before you know it, they're buried in debt. 522 00:38:44,623 --> 00:38:49,323 And there's just so many clues to the financial system not working. 523 00:38:49,503 --> 00:38:53,863 Do you want to say a little bit more about your background and how you arrived to where you are? 524 00:38:53,903 --> 00:38:56,343 Because I know you've been a Bitcoiner for eight years. 525 00:38:57,243 --> 00:38:58,163 Yeah, eight years now. 526 00:38:58,243 --> 00:38:58,383 Yeah. 527 00:38:58,823 --> 00:39:03,943 Yeah, I think everything I saw was I have most of my clinical social work degree done. 528 00:39:04,083 --> 00:39:07,683 I did 33 of the 60 credits at Hunter here in the city. 529 00:39:07,683 --> 00:39:13,103 And I worked with people in supportive housing, active drug users in supportive housing. 530 00:39:13,343 --> 00:39:17,163 I counseled Holocaust survivors for a while in some of my training. 531 00:39:17,643 --> 00:39:20,503 And I've seen that plus just the work I did before that. 532 00:39:20,663 --> 00:39:27,323 Like I worked developing a trade school in rural Ghana with the Ministry of Education and UNICEF in Namibia. 533 00:39:27,563 --> 00:39:31,423 And then taught in a barrio, like a lower income neighborhood in Venezuela. 534 00:39:31,423 --> 00:39:41,603 So I've seen a bunch of stuff up close where it's you sort of it feels hopeless in terms of like, OK, what's the broader solution to this scenario if there is one? 535 00:39:41,603 --> 00:39:47,083 Yeah, it's I don't right now the problem with Bitcoin, I would say part of it is difficulty of use. 536 00:39:47,083 --> 00:39:54,583 And the fact that one of the things that I've learned from documenting a lot of the work in the circular economies is that you need someone in these communities. 537 00:39:55,103 --> 00:40:02,743 That's very, very that one has a reputation in the community already as a community organizer or an educator or something where they're trusted. 538 00:40:02,743 --> 00:40:11,103 So like Kofi and Bitcoin Dua in Ghana, Hermann Vivier and Bitcoin Akazi, Mike Peterson and Chimbera in Bitcoin Beach. 539 00:40:11,103 --> 00:40:18,463 You need people who aren't just there for the opportunity of getting a grant from Jack Dorsey or Blockstream or something. 540 00:40:19,163 --> 00:40:24,383 They need to have been trying to solve issues in that community for a while. 541 00:40:24,543 --> 00:40:33,583 Like Kofi and Bitcoin Dua has been a community leader for 20 years, and he's probably one of the best Bitcoin circular economy leaders in the world, in my humble opinion. 542 00:40:33,823 --> 00:40:35,083 I've been to Bitcoin Dua. 543 00:40:35,083 --> 00:40:37,723 I was there the day they opened the doors to the education center. 544 00:40:37,723 --> 00:40:41,603 And I just wrote a piece on Forbes for how much far they've come. 545 00:40:42,243 --> 00:40:43,603 And it's mind boggling. 546 00:40:43,943 --> 00:40:49,303 But yeah, just people, you have to have that level of understanding of like what the pain 547 00:40:49,303 --> 00:40:55,163 points are for people, how education is going to work, because it's not only, I say this 548 00:40:55,163 --> 00:40:59,763 a lot, I teach in the Bitcoin.data program, which is a program for African women who want 549 00:40:59,763 --> 00:41:00,703 to learn about Bitcoin. 550 00:41:01,043 --> 00:41:03,243 And I speak with, yeah, it's a great program. 551 00:41:03,243 --> 00:41:08,983 But Lorraine Marcel, who started that program, I speak with her a lot and I try to highlight whatever work she's doing. 552 00:41:08,983 --> 00:41:13,223 Just wrote a piece on a new program she started for female developers called Dada Devs. 553 00:41:13,483 --> 00:41:18,863 And because what you're dealing with when you deal with Bitcoin, it's not just the education about how to use a wallet. 554 00:41:19,043 --> 00:41:23,743 You're discussing probably one of the most personal matters people deal with, which is money. 555 00:41:23,983 --> 00:41:30,203 And there's shame associated with money and not having enough money or not understanding money, not being able to pay your bills. 556 00:41:30,203 --> 00:41:32,803 being, you know, in East Africa, 557 00:41:32,803 --> 00:41:47,014 where a lot of the women from Bitcoin are from you know you can inherit property as a woman There are so many things that have to be addressed And to be the person addressing them is not it not just 558 00:41:47,014 --> 00:41:53,434 cognitively difficult. It's emotionally insanely difficult, insanely difficult. I actually can't do 559 00:41:53,434 --> 00:41:58,434 that anymore. People have asked me to dedicate more of my time to that. I burnt out of when I 560 00:41:58,434 --> 00:42:00,054 did both teaching and social work. 561 00:42:00,194 --> 00:42:00,894 It's draining. 562 00:42:01,734 --> 00:42:02,054 Yeah. 563 00:42:02,414 --> 00:42:03,694 You can't do both. 564 00:42:03,794 --> 00:42:05,734 Like I did journalism and social work at the same time. 565 00:42:05,814 --> 00:42:06,594 It burnt out badly. 566 00:42:07,374 --> 00:42:08,554 Yeah, it's just too much. 567 00:42:08,694 --> 00:42:11,014 And I can tell those stories now. 568 00:42:11,254 --> 00:42:15,754 And I'll be honest, part of the reason I stepped up back from the White House thing is, you 569 00:42:15,754 --> 00:42:20,194 know, I looked at what was going on and I very much believed in like a better regulatory 570 00:42:20,194 --> 00:42:24,614 environment, ideally fighting for de minimis exemptions, not putting privacy tech developers 571 00:42:24,614 --> 00:42:25,854 in jail, all this stuff. 572 00:42:25,854 --> 00:42:27,954 But then there was another part of me that was like. 573 00:42:28,434 --> 00:42:34,894 In my heart, I just felt this deep sense of like, OK, I'm covering something. 574 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:41,194 I'm covering the most covered person in the world, Donald Trump, the most written about person in the world, 575 00:42:41,194 --> 00:42:48,634 while there are people around the world doing the real work with Bitcoin who are getting zero acknowledgement, very little acknowledgement for what they're doing. 576 00:42:49,374 --> 00:42:57,534 And so whether or not it makes me sort of whether it pays my bills or not, having the headspace to acknowledge what some of these people are doing, 577 00:42:57,534 --> 00:43:00,474 because their work is very, very thankless in a lot of ways. 578 00:43:01,194 --> 00:43:03,074 I think all of us who have turned people on to Bitcoin, 579 00:43:03,214 --> 00:43:05,734 we very rarely get a thank you when the price goes up. 580 00:43:05,934 --> 00:43:08,614 We oftentimes get the whole, hey, what's happening? 581 00:43:08,854 --> 00:43:09,274 Panic call. 582 00:43:09,394 --> 00:43:15,814 So it's like being a parent or a teacher in that you have to be there 583 00:43:15,814 --> 00:43:16,954 when people really need something, 584 00:43:17,054 --> 00:43:20,354 but very rarely do the people acknowledge all the work you put into 585 00:43:20,354 --> 00:43:23,114 just whatever you've done in raising a child, 586 00:43:23,334 --> 00:43:26,454 helping a student get better at whatever you're helping them get better with. 587 00:43:26,454 --> 00:43:34,054 And so there are these people around the world and it's not, you know, these these sorts of having these interviews, doing these interviews of people writing these pieces. 588 00:43:34,234 --> 00:43:37,634 They don't get a lot of clicks. I had somebody the other day retweet me. 589 00:43:37,794 --> 00:43:43,014 I wrote a piece called Making Space for Female Bitcoin Developers, and it was about this program, Dada Devs. 590 00:43:43,514 --> 00:43:51,454 I had some guy, he was part of the irresponsibly long micro strategy group, which like, you know, that was sort of like, I'm not I'm just leaving it at that. 591 00:43:51,454 --> 00:43:57,694 And he was like, he retweeted it and was just like, we have to keep this woke nonsense out of Bitcoin or whatever. 592 00:43:57,874 --> 00:44:01,494 And I was just like, because supporting women is so woke, right? 593 00:44:01,614 --> 00:44:03,234 Terrible. Terrible, right? 594 00:44:03,234 --> 00:44:10,414 Not only that, you would want as many minds and perspectives looking at Bitcoin and Bitcoin projects as possible. 595 00:44:10,574 --> 00:44:11,574 Diversity is a strength. 596 00:44:12,074 --> 00:44:12,114 Yeah. 597 00:44:14,534 --> 00:44:16,314 There's such a problem in this space. 598 00:44:16,534 --> 00:44:21,174 And I go through this a lot more than I mentioned of being a woman in this space. 599 00:44:21,174 --> 00:44:30,174 And some of the things that I have come up against, and I will fortunately have a female boss, our CPO at Soapbox, MK Payne, and I can go to her. 600 00:44:30,394 --> 00:44:31,014 She is a feminist. 601 00:44:31,434 --> 00:44:33,654 And I can say, hey, I have had a time today. 602 00:44:33,874 --> 00:44:38,554 And so, you know, she gets it because, you know, there are not a lot of female developers. 603 00:44:38,554 --> 00:44:44,634 And the ones who are do not want to be revealed as female because you can get by for a while. 604 00:44:44,754 --> 00:44:47,854 I've known women who did it before they got doxxed as female. 605 00:44:47,854 --> 00:44:56,914 You can get by for a while without admitting to the other developers that you are a woman and you will be treated differently after they figure out that you are a woman. 606 00:44:57,594 --> 00:44:59,394 And that is just how it is. 607 00:44:59,594 --> 00:45:01,054 That is just it sucks. 608 00:45:01,674 --> 00:45:04,054 And it's a male dominated field right now. 609 00:45:04,254 --> 00:45:06,554 Software development, Bitcoin and Nostra. 610 00:45:06,714 --> 00:45:09,454 The women have an uphill battle and I will die on that hill. 611 00:45:09,974 --> 00:45:11,454 And so I appreciate you for covering it. 612 00:45:11,454 --> 00:45:28,174 Yeah. And I think, you know, it's like it's hard because one of the things that happens is I think as human beings, we see these like massive overcorrections in our correct in our psychology. So like people look at Bitcoin as like this correction to wokeness. And I get that on some level. 613 00:45:28,174 --> 00:45:34,174 Right. I do. Yeah. Well, I think like the wokeness thing I was in I was in academia. 614 00:45:34,834 --> 00:45:38,434 I was in some of these circles where there was like correct speak and incorrect speak. 615 00:45:38,554 --> 00:45:43,494 And if you brought up something like Bitcoin, you'd be like they would just giggle like, look at this silly person over here. 616 00:45:43,574 --> 00:45:45,234 Like the government has everything under control. 617 00:45:45,234 --> 00:45:56,274 And I get that. I get the I get the correction back to like, no, self-sovereignty and people should be empowered on, you know, on a personal level because this is not what goes on in those conversations. 618 00:45:56,274 --> 00:46:08,554 That's fine. But it doesn't mean that some of the things that might be associated with wokeness, maybe like equity or like acknowledging that women have a different experience than men in certain situations or in most situations. 619 00:46:08,554 --> 00:46:16,974 That doesn't mean that that needs to be part of the thing with Bitcoin. You ideally want this technology to be used by everybody. Therefore, you want everybody developing it. 620 00:46:16,974 --> 00:46:25,554 One of the quotes I didn't include in that piece, just because I didn't have space, we got kind of like a word count limited Forbes, was from Satsy, who's part of the Bitcoin Dev Project. 621 00:46:25,554 --> 00:46:35,454 And she said something like, you can very much tell when a product for women was designed by men, like an app for women was designed by men and when it was designed by women. 622 00:46:35,614 --> 00:46:38,154 And I was just like, yeah, like I don't have that perspective. 623 00:46:38,374 --> 00:46:43,334 I will say this, like my immediate family is three younger sisters and my mother and my mother has eight sisters. 624 00:46:43,334 --> 00:46:47,854 So I was socialized by many a female and surrounded by many women. 625 00:46:48,854 --> 00:46:52,594 So I have a little bit of insight as to like where things. 626 00:46:52,894 --> 00:46:58,674 My sisters are not radical personalities when they say something like they're being treated unfairly because they're a woman. 627 00:46:58,794 --> 00:47:02,414 They're not complaining like it's a genuine thing that people should be taking note of. 628 00:47:02,414 --> 00:47:15,714 But I think the bigger thing with Bitcoin data and what Lorraine Marcel is doing with data devs is if you don't look like people in a group, you're going to be far less prone to move into that space. 629 00:47:15,714 --> 00:47:26,214 It was a credit. It was Amiti Uthawar, one of the first female Bitcoin Core dev or the first person that was surely a female who developed on Bitcoin Core. 630 00:47:26,974 --> 00:47:29,674 I'm saying that incorrectly, but I think you get my drift. 631 00:47:29,674 --> 00:47:35,794 in 2019, she began contributing. And I was at one of her, I was at like a workshop she was giving on 632 00:47:35,794 --> 00:47:39,594 mental health and working in the Bitcoin space. And she brought that up. You know, it's like if 633 00:47:39,594 --> 00:47:42,894 women don't see people who look like them, they're not going to come over here to work on this 634 00:47:42,894 --> 00:47:49,314 project. And I know it sounds like almost woke of me, but I live in a place like New York because 635 00:47:49,314 --> 00:47:53,954 I actually enjoy diversity. And I'm not saying that to be, that's not a virtue signaling thing. 636 00:47:54,234 --> 00:47:59,054 It's not a woke thing. It's really not. There are places that are more diverse than others. 637 00:47:59,674 --> 00:48:17,054 Like, honestly, it's more than anything. Like I live in I live in Queens. It's like Queens is, I think, the most diverse jurisdiction in all of the United States. And what I love about Queens is that you hardly know like it's so diverse that you hardly notice the differences. You go to the Vietnamese restaurant or this and it's everybody just doing their thing. 638 00:48:17,054 --> 00:48:28,314 But the bigger thing that people forget about diversity is like if you're from a certain if you're of a certain sex, gender, et cetera, or of a certain race, you probably have or not probably you have a limited scope. 639 00:48:28,414 --> 00:48:29,974 You have a way that you view the world. 640 00:48:29,974 --> 00:48:33,734 That's through the religion you were raised in or the culture you were raised in. 641 00:48:34,594 --> 00:48:37,654 The thing with diversity, I wrote a piece on this for Bitcoin magazine. 642 00:48:37,914 --> 00:48:40,614 I took it's a book called Bowling Alone. 643 00:48:40,714 --> 00:48:42,054 I took an idea from Bowling Alone. 644 00:48:42,254 --> 00:48:43,974 There is something to be noted with diversity. 645 00:48:43,974 --> 00:49:07,174 One of the things is that diversity tends to be really beneficial over the long term. In the short term, it makes people nervous. So humans are programmed within group and outgroup bias. And they're like, who's this new person or who's this new whatever. But over time, once you start working together, you're just like, oh, that's just this person or that's just like, I think once in a while, one of my good friends is dark skin Puerto Rican guy. Another one is a Korean American guy. 646 00:49:07,174 --> 00:49:16,574 I never think about them in terms of what their ethnic heritage is because I just it's just like that's just that's just Vinny and that's just Jeremy sort of thing. 647 00:49:16,974 --> 00:49:18,894 And I think that that's the way diversity has to work. 648 00:49:18,894 --> 00:49:23,254 So there's this initial thing of like, what are these African women think they're doing developing on Bitcoin? 649 00:49:23,394 --> 00:49:28,174 Whereas five years from now, you're going to be grateful that they're here and not even necessarily thinking about the fact that they're African. 650 00:49:28,494 --> 00:49:30,254 Ideally, ideally. Yeah. Yeah. 651 00:49:30,254 --> 00:49:36,314 Like that's I've had a recent bad experience with men in the Bitcoin space to the point where I thought I was over it. 652 00:49:36,454 --> 00:49:41,974 And then the other night I went to a venture cafe here in downtown Phoenix, which is like a startup hub, an innovation hub. 653 00:49:42,114 --> 00:49:43,194 And I hadn't been there before. 654 00:49:43,434 --> 00:49:48,854 And so I went in and kind of did the wallflower thing for a minute and looked around the room because it's a networking thing. 655 00:49:48,914 --> 00:49:49,514 There's panels. 656 00:49:49,894 --> 00:49:51,734 There's, you know, it's like a business. 657 00:49:51,854 --> 00:49:53,334 It's not a Bitcoin thing at all. 658 00:49:53,434 --> 00:49:55,894 It's, you know, there's crypto people there or Bitcoin people there. 659 00:49:55,954 --> 00:49:57,694 But it's overall it's an everybody thing. 660 00:49:57,694 --> 00:50:02,214 And it's in downtown Phoenix, which is one of the most diverse cities in the world. 661 00:50:02,374 --> 00:50:03,914 You know, we've got five million people here. 662 00:50:04,014 --> 00:50:04,994 We've got TSMC. 663 00:50:05,134 --> 00:50:05,994 We've got great employers. 664 00:50:06,194 --> 00:50:07,274 We're a good mix here. 665 00:50:07,414 --> 00:50:09,454 More than we were when I grew up here in the 90s, right? 666 00:50:09,754 --> 00:50:13,634 And I looked around the room and I saw a large group of men talking to men. 667 00:50:13,714 --> 00:50:15,234 And I was like, that's not for me. 668 00:50:15,594 --> 00:50:18,174 And so I looked around and went, okay, where are the women? 669 00:50:18,634 --> 00:50:19,754 I want to talk to the women. 670 00:50:20,074 --> 00:50:23,474 And not only that, I want to talk to people who are younger than me. 671 00:50:23,474 --> 00:50:25,834 Because at Soapbox, we have an AI product. 672 00:50:25,834 --> 00:50:28,554 And I know that the younger generation has an issue with AI. 673 00:50:28,914 --> 00:50:30,234 You know, we know this. 674 00:50:30,374 --> 00:50:34,114 They have more than one issue, but they take issues with AI. 675 00:50:34,374 --> 00:50:37,174 And so I want to talk to younger people about it. 676 00:50:37,394 --> 00:50:40,674 People my age, you know, I use AI constantly. 677 00:50:41,154 --> 00:50:46,274 The world I live in is a bubble where a lot of people are constantly not only using it, but developing with it. 678 00:50:46,354 --> 00:50:47,794 We're doing AI-assisted coding. 679 00:50:47,994 --> 00:50:48,714 We're innovating. 680 00:50:48,814 --> 00:50:52,414 We're making more apps, bigger, better, faster than we ever could before. 681 00:50:52,534 --> 00:50:53,774 The space is moving, right? 682 00:50:53,834 --> 00:50:55,374 So the nostril space is going to pick up. 683 00:50:55,374 --> 00:50:57,674 Even the Bitcoins, everything's accelerating, right? 684 00:50:57,874 --> 00:50:59,954 But I wanted to find diverse perspectives. 685 00:51:00,474 --> 00:51:01,914 And I didn't want to just talk to a bunch of dudes. 686 00:51:02,014 --> 00:51:09,174 And in that moment, I was like, I am not healed from this bad experience recently because I do not want to talk to a single man in this room. 687 00:51:09,314 --> 00:51:10,594 And I ended up talking to the women. 688 00:51:11,054 --> 00:51:16,794 I ended up talking to a more diverse group of, you know, if I talked to men, they were more diverse. 689 00:51:17,174 --> 00:51:23,114 But it was like just looking at the guys who, you know, maybe reminded me of some of the men in the Bitcoin space. 690 00:51:23,114 --> 00:51:26,694 I was just like, you know, I'm not I'm not ready for this right now. 691 00:51:26,694 --> 00:51:28,554 Like and I ended up meeting really cool people. 692 00:51:28,554 --> 00:51:33,354 And I think I met, you know, the right people that I wanted to meet at this point in time. 693 00:51:33,394 --> 00:51:34,594 And I think there's no accident. 694 00:51:34,774 --> 00:51:36,394 So, you know, sometimes things happen for a reason. 695 00:51:36,394 --> 00:51:37,994 But we do have a long way to go. 696 00:51:38,094 --> 00:51:40,614 And some of us do want to be welcoming in this space. 697 00:51:40,614 --> 00:51:42,734 And and we don't want to be. 698 00:51:43,454 --> 00:51:48,614 I don't know. There's there's a male macho bravado in the space that I think for people out. 699 00:51:48,614 --> 00:51:52,654 And it's or maybe not so much keep people out or scare them off. 700 00:51:52,654 --> 00:51:55,174 It probably does, but it's not welcoming. 701 00:51:55,454 --> 00:52:02,094 And I think it's one of the reasons why Nostra hasn't grown, because it's very male and the amount of women is small. 702 00:52:02,394 --> 00:52:10,054 Yeah, it's very male and very technical, which is like the two things alone, those two things together is just going to drive the average user out, no question. 703 00:52:10,734 --> 00:52:13,034 Yeah, it's going to drive some of the younger people out. 704 00:52:13,074 --> 00:52:14,774 It's going to drive, you know, the women away. 705 00:52:14,914 --> 00:52:17,434 So that's I think that's another problem in this space. 706 00:52:17,434 --> 00:52:21,174 You know, I don't know if you have other opinions about, you know, I ask every guest this. 707 00:52:21,174 --> 00:52:26,974 What does Nostr need? In order for Nostr to succeed, what must happen? 708 00:52:27,194 --> 00:52:32,654 I think it needs to feel more behind the scenes. So I'll kind of qualify that a little bit. 709 00:52:32,854 --> 00:52:39,014 When I use Nostr, I know I'm using Nostr. I'm like, OK, this is like the UX isn't great. 710 00:52:39,334 --> 00:52:43,774 And again, I get that that's how you know you're early to something. 711 00:52:43,974 --> 00:52:46,754 And that's actually a good thing in certain ways and everything else. That's fine. 712 00:52:46,754 --> 00:52:54,554 But like the way that Noster is used within BitChat, and I couldn't even fully describe it, that kind of stuff where like BitChat just works. 713 00:52:54,694 --> 00:52:58,614 Noster is being used on the back end and I'm getting privacy as a result. 714 00:52:58,734 --> 00:53:00,554 I'm getting decentralization as a result. 715 00:53:00,994 --> 00:53:09,834 So what I want to see, I actually quote tweeted someone yesterday who said like, I'm going to bring this up or quote whatever Noster, quote Noster posted. 716 00:53:09,834 --> 00:53:16,594 But I think my biggest thing is sort of it needs to be the Noster-ness of it. 717 00:53:16,754 --> 00:53:19,594 needs to still be abstracted away. 718 00:53:19,834 --> 00:53:21,314 And I don't know how much that can happen 719 00:53:21,314 --> 00:53:23,114 without really bad trade-offs. 720 00:53:23,274 --> 00:53:24,554 Like, who was it that said? 721 00:53:24,774 --> 00:53:25,614 Yeah, it was a guy who said, 722 00:53:25,674 --> 00:53:27,294 what other services does Noster need? 723 00:53:27,514 --> 00:53:28,494 And I said, what other services 724 00:53:28,494 --> 00:53:29,774 can we run through Noster? 725 00:53:30,214 --> 00:53:31,314 That was my thought. 726 00:53:31,474 --> 00:53:34,334 So it's like, what existing apps, 727 00:53:34,474 --> 00:53:35,114 whatever it is, 728 00:53:35,114 --> 00:53:36,674 what can we, instead of having 729 00:53:36,674 --> 00:53:38,674 a centralized entity, corporation, 730 00:53:38,834 --> 00:53:39,734 whatever behind it, 731 00:53:39,834 --> 00:53:41,154 how can we put that through Noster? 732 00:53:41,454 --> 00:53:42,934 And I think that that's the biggest thing 733 00:53:42,934 --> 00:53:44,574 because right now when people think of Noster, 734 00:53:44,694 --> 00:53:45,814 the first thing that comes to mind, 735 00:53:45,814 --> 00:53:50,074 at least for me and for most people who are relatively new to it, is decentralized social 736 00:53:50,074 --> 00:53:55,314 media or a Twitter clone, right? Or a Substack clone with highlighter. And that's fine. I think 737 00:53:55,314 --> 00:53:59,794 that's actually a great place to start. No question. I think it's fine. But I think it's 738 00:53:59,794 --> 00:54:03,754 hard for me to answer that question, one, because I'm not a super technical person. But I would just 739 00:54:03,754 --> 00:54:08,954 say, what are people using in sort of normie world, in traditional social media world or 740 00:54:08,954 --> 00:54:14,254 traditional app world, traditional software world? How can we make those things exist in Nostra 741 00:54:14,254 --> 00:54:16,194 without feeling like they're Noster clients. 742 00:54:16,434 --> 00:54:17,474 That's really it. 743 00:54:17,874 --> 00:54:18,394 Make it more simple. 744 00:54:18,454 --> 00:54:19,954 We've tried to do that with Runster, 745 00:54:20,114 --> 00:54:21,874 Runster being one of my other projects 746 00:54:21,874 --> 00:54:25,754 where we've over time made it less Bitcoin-ish, 747 00:54:25,874 --> 00:54:27,914 made it less Noster-ish 748 00:54:27,914 --> 00:54:29,834 because we want normies to get on it 749 00:54:29,834 --> 00:54:31,214 and not be hung up by, 750 00:54:31,614 --> 00:54:33,814 well, what money do I receive for rewards 751 00:54:33,814 --> 00:54:35,774 or what money does the charity receive 752 00:54:35,774 --> 00:54:36,894 that I choose to receive? 753 00:54:37,334 --> 00:54:39,354 You know, we want them not hung up on that. 754 00:54:39,434 --> 00:54:40,014 And we thought, well, like, 755 00:54:40,814 --> 00:54:42,834 you know, we're fundamentally Bitcoiners 756 00:54:42,834 --> 00:54:44,234 and we're fundamentally Nostra people. 757 00:54:44,334 --> 00:54:45,174 That's how we met. 758 00:54:45,334 --> 00:54:48,794 The Wild Hustle and I were in the Nostra Fabrica challenge last year 759 00:54:48,794 --> 00:54:51,254 and he built this app and then onboarded me as like the, 760 00:54:51,414 --> 00:54:53,974 I don't know, de facto business development manager, 761 00:54:54,094 --> 00:54:55,814 marketing type, you know, it's a startup. 762 00:54:55,994 --> 00:54:56,974 So you do all the jobs. 763 00:54:57,154 --> 00:55:00,634 And so we've over time like hidden the Nostra. 764 00:55:00,794 --> 00:55:02,354 It's a Nostra app, you know, 765 00:55:02,354 --> 00:55:05,594 but you don't really see the end pub unless you go looking for it. 766 00:55:05,794 --> 00:55:09,934 And now the next operating upgrade we'll have, 767 00:55:09,934 --> 00:55:14,354 the next release will be the Nostra stuff is not going to appear unless you're a heavy Nostra user. 768 00:55:14,694 --> 00:55:20,134 So if you're somebody who signed up and got an NPUB, the Wavelake integration is not going to appear for you. 769 00:55:20,134 --> 00:55:26,434 Or, you know, the share to Nostra isn't going to appear for you unless, you know, the device you're on sees, 770 00:55:26,574 --> 00:55:32,174 oh, yeah, she's really on Nostra like every day and we're going to pop up the Wavelake toggle. 771 00:55:32,206 --> 00:55:37,966 for her. So that's kind of, we're sneaking it in there, you know, and this is, again, AI-assisted 772 00:55:37,966 --> 00:55:44,306 coding is how he's done this. Awesome. You know, because we realize there's kind of, you know, 773 00:55:44,326 --> 00:55:50,126 it's an uphill battle to explain Coina and Oster, and we want to be a part of the adoption and the 774 00:55:50,126 --> 00:55:53,806 hyper-Bitcoinization, but we know we're not there yet. People are not asking for that. 775 00:55:54,406 --> 00:55:59,746 What we are with Runster is a privacy-focused, anonymous fitness tracker. You know, we're not 776 00:55:59,746 --> 00:56:04,606 monitoring your data. We're not taking it, selling it like Strava or like Nike Run Club. 777 00:56:04,786 --> 00:56:09,206 Like you can finally be anonymous. If you want to share it, you can. Everything's a choice, 778 00:56:09,306 --> 00:56:13,406 which is the cool thing about Nostris. We can build things to the point where things are a 779 00:56:13,406 --> 00:56:18,386 choice, like sharing about yourself or sharing that you built an app or whatever, sharing that 780 00:56:18,386 --> 00:56:23,186 you did a workout, it is a choice. It's not something that's just done and you're farmed 781 00:56:23,186 --> 00:56:28,686 into it so somebody can make you the product and take your data. Totally. Yeah, I think that's the 782 00:56:28,686 --> 00:56:32,986 beautiful thing. And I think the hard part about that, I think you have to make it normally, 783 00:56:33,206 --> 00:56:38,166 normie friendly in terms of use, because the average person, the average person, I'll be 784 00:56:38,166 --> 00:56:42,446 really blunt with you, like when you talk about even privacy, but more than that, like censorship 785 00:56:42,446 --> 00:56:46,966 resistance, when you say that the average person's response to that is still, well, what do you have 786 00:56:46,966 --> 00:56:51,486 to hide? And that's fine, because the average person is like waking up, going and doing their 787 00:56:51,486 --> 00:56:55,806 job, not doing anything illegal, not doing something that they feel they need to hide. 788 00:56:55,966 --> 00:56:57,006 Average growing lives. 789 00:56:57,006 --> 00:57:02,406 yeah it's like without without realizing that who they are and everything they're doing is being 790 00:57:02,406 --> 00:57:10,586 harvested all that data around them most people won't like that but also won't do anything about 791 00:57:10,586 --> 00:57:16,006 it meaning they won't fight remember remember it was like four years ago remember that documentary 792 00:57:16,006 --> 00:57:20,646 on netflix came out about like how facebook is harvesting data there's a there's it's called 793 00:57:20,646 --> 00:57:26,426 yeah it was like a big thing and i remember it being big because like my aunts were watching it 794 00:57:26,426 --> 00:57:29,906 Like everybody was like, wait, wait, wait, that's what Facebook is doing. 795 00:57:30,026 --> 00:57:34,846 And it's like, and everybody I knew from this world is like, yes, of course, that's what Facebook is doing. 796 00:57:34,926 --> 00:57:36,166 Like that's all Facebook is doing. 797 00:57:36,446 --> 00:57:40,746 They want our data to make money off of us and stop like full stop and story. 798 00:57:40,926 --> 00:57:42,626 Like that's what they saw in us. 799 00:57:42,686 --> 00:57:45,346 That's what Zuckerberg saw in the people using Facebook. 800 00:57:45,346 --> 00:57:48,766 And now it is the most used social media app in the world. 801 00:57:48,886 --> 00:57:50,266 And that's a lot of data. 802 00:57:50,866 --> 00:57:51,986 Yeah, that was my point. 803 00:57:52,086 --> 00:57:55,266 So it's like, who stopped using it because of that? 804 00:57:55,266 --> 00:57:58,506 How many, what percentage of people stopped using it because of that? 805 00:57:59,006 --> 00:57:59,666 Almost zero. 806 00:58:00,206 --> 00:58:00,666 Almost zero. 807 00:58:00,746 --> 00:58:03,706 Some ideal, people like us who are like, let's go find Nostra. 808 00:58:03,706 --> 00:58:09,526 And, you know, I think when I just had my three-year Nostra anniversary and I don't think I really knew what I was getting into. 809 00:58:09,966 --> 00:58:14,766 I didn't, you know, like I didn't know that it was, it would be more privacy oriented. 810 00:58:15,026 --> 00:58:23,826 I just knew that at the time I was working in social media marketing and I was following the developments of Elon buying Twitter and all the alts that were coming up. 811 00:58:23,826 --> 00:58:40,906 And none of them lasted. But there was a lot of they were good ideas. OK, but they just didn't take off. And they were they were companies. They were not protocols like Noster. And I just I was looking for the next Twitter because for the last, you know, 20 years now, you know, along came the next thing over and over again. 812 00:58:40,906 --> 00:58:44,266 And now we're in a point where we're not really seeing the next thing come along. 813 00:58:44,386 --> 00:58:50,446 It's just that I think the ecosystem is established and people are kind of breaking off into their own communities now. 814 00:58:50,646 --> 00:58:55,206 And it's more of like small group oriented or people are sharing social media content. 815 00:58:55,466 --> 00:59:01,786 Like I might, you know, text a friend a video I see, but I may not feel compelled to post it on Twitter. 816 00:59:01,906 --> 00:59:05,066 Like the going viral thing is not a thing anymore. 817 00:59:05,066 --> 00:59:07,806 You know, once in a while something breaks through. 818 00:59:07,806 --> 00:59:15,126 Like about a week ago, Claudebot became, you know, the thing and then it became Maltbot and then it became OpenClaw and then Maltbook happened. 819 00:59:15,346 --> 00:59:19,126 And then, you know, in Soapbox, we built Clauster, the answer to Maltbook. 820 00:59:19,246 --> 00:59:22,546 And that was an example of something that went viral. 821 00:59:22,926 --> 00:59:31,826 And I don't know how because, you know, women like myself, one of one of our users of Shakespeare, another non-technical woman like myself, we were marketed that video. 822 00:59:31,826 --> 00:59:39,366 We were fed that content on YouTube, whereas like, yeah, I watch a lot of cloud things, but I don't watch developer oriented kind of AI things. 823 00:59:40,126 --> 00:59:41,206 CloudBot was more technical. 824 00:59:41,386 --> 00:59:43,446 So I kind of think that they paid for targeted ads. 825 00:59:43,586 --> 00:59:47,846 And like that's the only thing that I can think of in recent memory that went viral. 826 00:59:48,046 --> 00:59:53,686 But the old going viral thing, I think, is a thing of the past because I think we fractured off into our own. 827 00:59:53,786 --> 00:59:59,086 We've socially reorganized due to a hatred of social media over the last few years. 828 00:59:59,806 --> 01:00:01,206 I think that that's true. 829 01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:11,166 I would say the what and I think what makes Twitter particularly horrendous right now, and I'll I'll I'll add a little caveat to this in the end is. 830 01:00:12,126 --> 01:00:15,246 The learning how to game the algorithm and the monetization. 831 01:00:15,246 --> 01:00:25,726 So like the all caps, you know, this is happening with fire emoji, you know, and like the two pictures, a picture of Michael Saylor and a Bitcoin logo. 832 01:00:25,726 --> 01:00:28,606 and you get a goodrillion retweets or whatever, 833 01:00:28,746 --> 01:00:30,346 like the gaming, the algorithm 834 01:00:30,346 --> 01:00:33,046 to just like the most lowest common denominator. 835 01:00:34,646 --> 01:00:36,066 It's basically offensive. 836 01:00:36,626 --> 01:00:38,346 Like, you know, and I've said this to like Rizzo, 837 01:00:38,446 --> 01:00:40,126 my former boss, and he's like, you know, 838 01:00:40,186 --> 01:00:41,186 it's like, I'm not, 839 01:00:41,306 --> 01:00:42,986 it's not even like a matter of throwing shade. 840 01:00:42,986 --> 01:00:45,406 It's just like, dude, I'm not here for this. 841 01:00:45,606 --> 01:00:48,266 The opposite of that is that I think on some levels, 842 01:00:48,426 --> 01:00:50,226 sometimes the cream still rises, 843 01:00:50,626 --> 01:00:53,426 meaning when Lynn Alden posts something really smart 844 01:00:53,426 --> 01:00:55,946 And you're like, fuck, Lynn's really fucking smart. 845 01:00:56,106 --> 01:00:56,646 Like, OK, cool. 846 01:00:57,306 --> 01:00:59,586 But that's that has become the exception to the rule. 847 01:00:59,706 --> 01:01:01,066 Like that's that kind of stuff. 848 01:01:01,306 --> 01:01:10,066 It's now like some MAGA influencer with a red light siren saying all the left is the left wants to do this to you or the opposite. 849 01:01:10,346 --> 01:01:11,426 Some some Republican. 850 01:01:12,246 --> 01:01:12,846 Fear and loathing. 851 01:01:13,066 --> 01:01:15,106 It's just very incendiary always. 852 01:01:15,246 --> 01:01:22,746 It's the same thing we used to do on TV where like one of the reasons I burned out on TV is because we would put a reporter out in the field for the day for like eight hours. 853 01:01:22,746 --> 01:01:27,986 this reporter would work on a great story that actually affected the maximum number of people in 854 01:01:27,986 --> 01:01:31,826 a community. It could have been a story about electricity bills or something. And then we'd 855 01:01:31,826 --> 01:01:37,286 be ready to go for, you know, Fox Kansas season nine and house fire. Oh, here's an opportunity 856 01:01:37,286 --> 01:01:43,566 to have flashing lights and emotion and sadness on screen. Like somebody might've gotten hurt. 857 01:01:43,646 --> 01:01:49,386 And it's like, okay, that's one house on one block. And that does not affect the entire community. 858 01:01:49,386 --> 01:01:51,166 like my Powerbill story does. 859 01:01:51,906 --> 01:01:55,286 My reporter worked on for eight hours today. 860 01:01:55,586 --> 01:01:58,646 She ate her lunch while editing in the car. 861 01:01:59,266 --> 01:02:01,946 You know, like, but she's going to be usurped by flashing lights. 862 01:02:02,186 --> 01:02:02,386 Thanks. 863 01:02:02,666 --> 01:02:03,186 Hate this. 864 01:02:03,306 --> 01:02:04,686 Like, let me get out of this. 865 01:02:05,186 --> 01:02:07,986 It's a, there's a little bit of that too with the White House stuff 866 01:02:07,986 --> 01:02:08,946 while I step back. 867 01:02:09,086 --> 01:02:11,886 Like, I also, I looked at it and said like, 868 01:02:12,626 --> 01:02:13,966 so I look at Bitcoin a lot. 869 01:02:14,006 --> 01:02:15,786 Like I look at guns in the United States, 870 01:02:15,786 --> 01:02:17,366 and follow me for a second, 871 01:02:17,366 --> 01:02:22,806 more that I don't want actually I just don't want the U.S. government to infringe upon people's 872 01:02:22,806 --> 01:02:27,026 rights to use it I don't need them to do anything about it so when the when the when the White House 873 01:02:27,026 --> 01:02:31,346 would send me something like hey here's something that's happening like I don't really like I don't 874 01:02:31,346 --> 01:02:36,446 care about this ETF or this this like I just don't want you infringing upon people's right to use 875 01:02:36,446 --> 01:02:40,866 this so that we have the right to use Bitcoin it's enshrined in the constitution and that doesn't 876 01:02:40,866 --> 01:02:45,906 really make for a great reporter because all I'm really doing is playing defense it's like I had a 877 01:02:45,906 --> 01:02:49,806 I interviewed, I had a, it was like a small breakout session with a handful of reporters 878 01:02:49,806 --> 01:02:52,686 with me and Paul Atkins, the new chair of the SEC. 879 01:02:53,046 --> 01:02:55,146 And I don't, I don't cover crypto. 880 01:02:55,326 --> 01:02:58,606 So I don't care that you're going to use blockchain on the back of whatever you're 881 01:02:58,606 --> 01:02:59,206 going to use it on. 882 01:02:59,266 --> 01:03:02,806 So my question to him was, can you explain to me what wallets look like? 883 01:03:02,966 --> 01:03:05,686 Because, you know, what do crypto wallets look like? 884 01:03:05,706 --> 01:03:09,246 Because in a world where you're trading stocks, I'm imagining you're not going to want these 885 01:03:09,246 --> 01:03:11,266 things to be traded in non-custodial wallets. 886 01:03:12,146 --> 01:03:15,766 So are you, when you talk about blockchain being used, is that on the back end of like 887 01:03:15,906 --> 01:03:21,086 Fidelity or Charles Schwab, the existing systems, or are you talking about the ability to use a 888 01:03:21,086 --> 01:03:25,546 ledger or a Trezor or something that is a crypto wallet? And now what does that mean for your 889 01:03:25,546 --> 01:03:30,626 Bitcoin wallet? Are you going to try to sweep Bitcoin KYCAML into that and even come close 890 01:03:30,626 --> 01:03:33,626 to acknowledging the question? He wouldn't even talk about it because it was one, he probably 891 01:03:33,626 --> 01:03:38,106 doesn't know yet. But two, this is all that matters to me. I don't care about the blockchain. 892 01:03:38,106 --> 01:03:41,346 I don't care if you're using Solana or proprietaries. I don't care about any of that 893 01:03:41,346 --> 01:03:45,706 stuff. And so part of the reason I stepped back was one, the news cycle moves too fast and it's 894 01:03:45,706 --> 01:03:50,386 too much flashing light stuff, like I said. And then when I do something like that, most other 895 01:03:50,386 --> 01:03:54,726 people, probably even including Bitcoin Magazine on some level, though I was never told to cover or 896 01:03:54,726 --> 01:03:59,506 not to cover something, I will give them complete props there. They were always letting me do what 897 01:03:59,506 --> 01:04:04,506 I wanted to do, which I'm very grateful for. Even in the White House, David could have been much more 898 01:04:04,506 --> 01:04:10,146 heavy handed in asking me to ask certain things and all that stuff, but he didn't. But you end up 899 01:04:10,146 --> 01:04:14,866 kind of having to play the same game that everybody else is playing because they're appealing to this 900 01:04:14,866 --> 01:04:16,566 base level of human emotion. 901 01:04:19,106 --> 01:04:20,566 I've started to think about this differently. 902 01:04:20,646 --> 01:04:22,086 It's a little tangent, but I think it's interesting. 903 01:04:22,206 --> 01:04:24,206 Have you ever read a book called Power Versus Force? 904 01:04:25,146 --> 01:04:27,866 Oh, I think it's in the TBR from a long time. 905 01:04:27,926 --> 01:04:28,926 I don't think I actually read it. 906 01:04:28,986 --> 01:04:29,766 I've heard of it, though. 907 01:04:30,666 --> 01:04:33,966 So this is one of three books that Jeff Booth has ever read twice. 908 01:04:33,966 --> 01:04:36,206 So let me just explain it from that perspective. 909 01:04:36,346 --> 01:04:42,186 Jeff Booth, I look up to Jeff a lot, and I think he's kind of my North Star as like what 910 01:04:42,186 --> 01:04:44,786 being a good human being slash Bitcoiner is. 911 01:04:44,866 --> 01:04:49,326 He told me at an event we were both at, he was like, oh, this is one of three books I've ever read twice. 912 01:04:49,386 --> 01:04:54,366 I was like, well, I got to start with that one because if this was enough for you to read twice, like I'm going to go and read it. 913 01:04:55,166 --> 01:04:57,346 But what happened, what, what, what, what. 914 01:04:57,786 --> 01:05:12,026 So what it does is it quantifies the frequencies on which things exist, starting down with like zero or closest to zero is like guilt, shame, anger, like all these sort of things that keep us trapped in like a negative doom loop or whatever. 915 01:05:12,026 --> 01:05:20,646 And that goes between zero and 200 and 85 to 90 percent of the species of human beings operate between zero and 200. 916 01:05:20,926 --> 01:05:25,186 So they're stuck in this thing. And it's like a chicken or the egg thing, right? 917 01:05:25,206 --> 01:05:31,806 Because the news is now feeding into that, keeping them stuck in the doom loop of 200 of below 200. 918 01:05:32,546 --> 01:05:38,606 The thing this is I love this. The thing that gets you above 200 in terms of frequencies is courage, which I think is beautiful. 919 01:05:38,606 --> 01:05:43,186 you have to have some level of courage then you start experiencing like love and blah blah blah 920 01:05:43,186 --> 01:05:47,546 and then you get up to unconditional love and this and all these things and then true enlightenment 921 01:05:47,546 --> 01:05:52,666 is like the buddha or jesus christ or whatever you know prophet or whatever you don't have to 922 01:05:52,666 --> 01:05:58,846 believe in that but i think you get my point it's um there's this thing where if you're working in 923 01:05:58,846 --> 01:06:04,626 media full time if you're trying to make your job in it you're probably going to have to be a part 924 01:06:04,626 --> 01:06:09,926 of that machine that keeps people in that zero to 200 frequency sort of thing. And I just don't 925 01:06:09,926 --> 01:06:16,266 want to do that. And when I look at Jeff, Jeff, or even like Lynn Alden, they're coming at things, 926 01:06:16,266 --> 01:06:21,426 they're not doing lowest common denominator type stuff. They're actually making people think about 927 01:06:21,426 --> 01:06:26,826 much bigger things in a way that feels comprehensible to people. And to me, that should 928 01:06:26,826 --> 01:06:32,066 be the goal. So like, I haven't perfected it. I'm also not like, I don't think my brain is as good 929 01:06:32,066 --> 01:06:38,186 as Lynn or Jeff, but I still look up to them and saying like, okay, like, what do I, what 930 01:06:38,186 --> 01:06:39,706 do I want the world to be? 931 01:06:39,966 --> 01:06:44,346 And now how do I do that in a way that works when I'm transmitting this message to people 932 01:06:44,346 --> 01:06:51,166 in a way that feels like people want to retweet it or reshare it on Nostra or, or zap it or 933 01:06:51,166 --> 01:06:51,866 whatever it is. 934 01:06:52,566 --> 01:06:58,166 And I think everybody, I hope more people, content creators have that conversation with 935 01:06:58,166 --> 01:07:03,686 themselves because i think i think and i already see it happening a bit more on nostri when you 936 01:07:03,686 --> 01:07:08,846 switch over from the x app to to primal or to domus or something to a nostri client you already 937 01:07:08,846 --> 01:07:13,066 get this feeling of like that bullshit is not going to fly here i'll give you a perfect example 938 01:07:13,066 --> 01:07:18,426 i love the person he's a buddy of mine the guy who runs the x handle for bitcoin magazine on uh 939 01:07:18,426 --> 01:07:23,526 on our twitter he grew that account from 500 000 people to 3.3 million or followers or whatever it 940 01:07:23,526 --> 01:07:27,406 is and don't get me wrong like i love being retweeted by that account it was fantastic for 941 01:07:27,406 --> 01:07:29,166 distributing whatever message I was putting out. 942 01:07:29,546 --> 01:07:30,966 Not going to pretend I'm better than that. 943 01:07:31,386 --> 01:07:34,866 But I would always tell them with Nostra when they started the Bitcoin magazine handle and 944 01:07:34,866 --> 01:07:37,106 stuff like guys, you just can't do that shit here. 945 01:07:37,246 --> 01:07:38,986 Like you got to do like shit. 946 01:07:38,986 --> 01:07:39,886 It's got to be different people. 947 01:07:40,386 --> 01:07:42,366 Yeah, it's got to like it's got to have real value. 948 01:07:42,486 --> 01:07:46,386 It can't just be like rocket emoji and flames and we're going to the moon. 949 01:07:46,666 --> 01:07:48,486 Like you have to be part of the community, too. 950 01:07:48,646 --> 01:07:50,146 You have to interact. 951 01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:54,446 You have to because, you know, you can put something on Twitter and nobody's going to 952 01:07:54,446 --> 01:07:54,966 respond. 953 01:07:55,066 --> 01:07:55,266 Right. 954 01:07:55,306 --> 01:07:56,466 That's just the way it works now. 955 01:07:56,466 --> 01:07:59,926 But if you put something on Noster, someone is going to respond. 956 01:08:00,406 --> 01:08:08,166 And, you know, there's a good chance you might get a little drivel, but you might get some really intelligent responses to and have a real discussion with other humans. 957 01:08:08,806 --> 01:08:11,606 And that's the difference between Bitcoin and Noster. 958 01:08:12,126 --> 01:08:13,566 You can be smart on Noster. 959 01:08:13,786 --> 01:08:14,826 You don't have to be liberal. 960 01:08:15,046 --> 01:08:16,246 Twitter, X and Noster. 961 01:08:16,326 --> 01:08:17,486 I think you said Bitcoin and Noster. 962 01:08:17,886 --> 01:08:18,806 OK, yeah, there you go. 963 01:08:19,066 --> 01:08:20,246 That's the journalist in you. 964 01:08:20,286 --> 01:08:20,626 I love it. 965 01:08:21,026 --> 01:08:21,706 Correct me. 966 01:08:21,866 --> 01:08:22,506 Just to clarify. 967 01:08:23,266 --> 01:08:24,126 That's good listening. 968 01:08:24,126 --> 01:08:29,086 Let the record state Frank Corbett is an excellent listener with excellent listening skills. 969 01:08:29,146 --> 01:08:31,966 Yeah, I wouldn't hear that until I edit back and go, God, you idiot. 970 01:08:32,186 --> 01:08:33,426 You minster words. 971 01:08:33,626 --> 01:08:36,106 But no, that's the difference between the two. 972 01:08:36,346 --> 01:08:41,066 And if people are like, I hate X or Twitter, which I hear all the time. 973 01:08:41,126 --> 01:08:42,506 Everybody says, oh, it's a garbage dump. 974 01:08:42,546 --> 01:08:43,946 It's just nothing but vitriol. 975 01:08:44,046 --> 01:08:46,326 And it's like, OK, there's the solutions out there. 976 01:08:46,846 --> 01:08:48,206 You just have to start from zero. 977 01:08:48,326 --> 01:08:53,466 And a lot of people don't want to do that because they've been on 20 years of Twitter. 978 01:08:53,886 --> 01:08:58,306 Now you, I want to go back into your past here before we run out of time. 979 01:08:58,446 --> 01:09:02,506 And another way that you were kind of built for this was a music career. 980 01:09:02,846 --> 01:09:07,506 And I don't know if you could pull up your prop, but I think there's a gold record in your past. 981 01:09:07,986 --> 01:09:13,926 Yeah, I came up in like the Long Island and New York hardcore emo whatever scenes. 982 01:09:13,926 --> 01:09:15,786 I used to work for a band called Brand New. 983 01:09:16,326 --> 01:09:17,406 Look at that. I remember them. 984 01:09:17,406 --> 01:09:33,297 Yeah some bad stuff happened with the singer and his you know I hope people don just think about the band for that They were a good band otherwise and the rest of the guys were fine But the stuff with the singer very unfortunate very sad and you know not good And we won get into that 985 01:09:33,337 --> 01:09:36,877 though. We'll keep a positive here. I played them somewhere on some station. I just don't 986 01:09:36,877 --> 01:09:42,817 remember when. There were a lot of stations. So yeah, I worked for independent record labels 987 01:09:42,817 --> 01:09:47,477 in the early 2000s. Actually, I started in 1999 while I was a senior in high school, 988 01:09:47,477 --> 01:09:53,397 working for like a local promoter but i came up um so like i have tattoos on my arms like the 989 01:09:53,397 --> 01:10:00,357 bouncing souls punk band from new jersey hardcore punk yeah stuff like that it's like but what 990 01:10:00,357 --> 01:10:04,977 the thing about that music i think that gets sometimes misunderstood it i like the aesthetics 991 01:10:04,977 --> 01:10:10,237 of it meaning i i like the way especially like melodic punk so like no effects strung out like 992 01:10:10,237 --> 01:10:16,017 melodic faster heavier guitars but melodic vocals i really like that kind of stuff but the thing 993 01:10:16,017 --> 01:10:21,557 about that world that really inspires me is the diy ethos so like you're not waiting for a record 994 01:10:21,557 --> 01:10:25,237 label to come and sign you some people are but otherwise put out your own record record your own 995 01:10:25,237 --> 01:10:30,557 record book your own shows book your own tours and the night someone described what bitcoin was to me 996 01:10:30,557 --> 01:10:36,477 it was january it was a week it was the first or second week in january 2018 i didn't have the 997 01:10:36,477 --> 01:10:40,577 technical technical chops to sort of understand okay how does this work it was just like whoa 998 01:10:40,577 --> 01:10:45,997 this is like a network that doesn't belong to the state and it's not private and i'm like okay what 999 01:10:45,997 --> 01:10:50,497 what's my frame of reference for this is at least in terms of like how people are educating each 1000 01:10:50,497 --> 01:10:54,097 other about it how they're developing on it how they're spreading the word and this is just like 1001 01:10:54,097 --> 01:10:59,477 i grew up in an era before the internet was really really big it was definitely a thing from like 1002 01:10:59,477 --> 01:11:05,157 when i was in junior high on but like aol chat rooms and stuff like that but we still printed 1003 01:11:05,157 --> 01:11:09,957 out flyers yeah right yeah we still printed out flyers for shows and we would hand them out at 1004 01:11:09,957 --> 01:11:14,297 other shows and like that's how you got news about like what was happening and then eventually they 1005 01:11:14,297 --> 01:11:19,157 had like message boards for shows and stuff but there was this whole network of like nobody was 1006 01:11:19,157 --> 01:11:23,617 in charge of like hardcore it was almost like this i never actually i've never said it like this 1007 01:11:23,617 --> 01:11:28,177 punk rock or hardcore was like the protocol and then everybody built on top of it but nobody owned 1008 01:11:28,177 --> 01:11:32,357 the protocol that's i've never thought about that's the first time i've ever said that but 1009 01:11:32,357 --> 01:11:37,437 that was i didn't realize yeah in the moment that's what i was experiencing when someone 1010 01:11:37,437 --> 01:11:42,257 explained i've like i've been through this before and even the fact that it was so misunderstood i 1011 01:11:42,257 --> 01:11:43,817 I was like, I've been through that before, too. 1012 01:11:44,377 --> 01:11:45,037 And I watched. 1013 01:11:45,157 --> 01:11:52,257 So that band brand new, there used to be a band called The Rookie Lot that nobody listening to this has probably ever heard of that. 1014 01:11:52,797 --> 01:12:02,357 But that band played with local hardcore bands at a bar, not much bigger than the size of the room that I'm in right now, maybe three times the size of the room that I'm in. 1015 01:12:02,437 --> 01:12:09,257 So you're talking about with a bunch of other bands that no one ever knew, the singer are brand new, and all these bands ended up literally playing stadiums eventually. 1016 01:12:09,257 --> 01:12:11,817 were just playing shows that they put on themselves, 1017 01:12:11,957 --> 01:12:13,617 putting out songs that they recorded themselves. 1018 01:12:14,177 --> 01:12:15,557 And so it all starts from there. 1019 01:12:15,657 --> 01:12:17,377 And I knew that Bitcoin in 2018, 1020 01:12:17,737 --> 01:12:18,997 I mean, I wasn't super early. 1021 01:12:19,137 --> 01:12:21,737 2018 was still nine years into the protocol existing. 1022 01:12:22,537 --> 01:12:24,917 But I knew, so we used to do a lot of playing 1023 01:12:24,917 --> 01:12:26,457 at what were called VFW halls. 1024 01:12:26,657 --> 01:12:29,157 This was like local, like a VFW hall 1025 01:12:29,157 --> 01:12:31,057 is like where veterans of foreign wars meet 1026 01:12:31,057 --> 01:12:32,857 and they talk and they have events 1027 01:12:32,857 --> 01:12:34,077 and socialize and stuff. 1028 01:12:34,637 --> 01:12:36,117 So bars or VFW halls 1029 01:12:36,117 --> 01:12:37,697 was where most of the hardcore scene happened. 1030 01:12:37,697 --> 01:12:41,857 And when someone told me what Bitcoin was back then, I was like, OK, we're just at the VFW. 1031 01:12:42,057 --> 01:12:45,657 At best, we're at like the New York City 500 seat venue room. 1032 01:12:45,897 --> 01:12:48,737 We're not at we're barely at like a bigger venue. 1033 01:12:48,737 --> 01:12:50,597 We're nowhere near Madison Square Garden. 1034 01:12:50,597 --> 01:12:54,477 We're nowhere near a stadium or like Queen playing to 500,000 people. 1035 01:12:54,617 --> 01:12:56,877 We're like in the early, early days. 1036 01:12:57,017 --> 01:12:59,637 And it's still sort of DIY and janky. 1037 01:12:59,697 --> 01:13:03,557 And I think I think the really exciting part is if you feel like you miss that, you get it. 1038 01:13:03,597 --> 01:13:05,577 You're getting to experience that right now with Nostar. 1039 01:13:05,577 --> 01:13:15,097 Once Nostra is bigger and ubiquitous, you'll look at this as like the really cool days where like, oh, I used to like see Heather's posts and listen to her podcast that she would share on Nostra. 1040 01:13:16,297 --> 01:13:18,157 That's it. And there's something about that. 1041 01:13:18,257 --> 01:13:26,537 So the word punk rock, it's off putting to a lot of people because they think first of like the aesthetics of the music, the Sex Pistols or the people that are most associated with it. 1042 01:13:26,557 --> 01:13:31,097 If people even think of those things anymore where it's like, oh, isn't that just like live fast, die young? 1043 01:13:31,097 --> 01:13:35,837 It's like kind of, but also other things that were associated with like punk rock and hardcore. 1044 01:13:36,017 --> 01:13:40,697 It was like. Very principled things, whether you agree with them or not is up to you. 1045 01:13:40,737 --> 01:13:46,357 But like veganism, like bands like Youth of Today in the 80s were promoting like don't drink straight edge. 1046 01:13:46,777 --> 01:13:50,877 I don't I don't drink alcohol, but like don't drink, you know, live a healthy life. 1047 01:13:50,997 --> 01:13:54,677 The antithesis of live fast, die young. Put out your own records. Don't ask for permission. 1048 01:13:55,057 --> 01:13:58,997 So when someone described Bitcoin to me, I was like, I have lived through this change before. 1049 01:13:58,997 --> 01:14:13,777 I've seen bands go from literally nobody caring about them to me being given a gold record for a band that I work with that in a million years when I started working with that band, I never would have thought that would have happened. 1050 01:14:14,077 --> 01:14:24,497 So I had this frame of reference and it was really exciting to me to be like, I'm 43 now, so I was 35 at the time and I was like, oh shit, I'm going to get to do this again. 1051 01:14:24,497 --> 01:14:26,997 I loved those early days in the music industry. 1052 01:14:26,997 --> 01:14:53,677 Like, yeah, I was so fresh perspective. That's awesome. Yeah. And it was funny because the one thing I thought was completely over in my life after I used to tour with bands when I was in the music business, I've toured the US, Europe. And I was just like, I'll never I guess I'll never really have a reason to travel like that again. And I think last year I traveled every other week for like a Bitcoin conference or to be in D.C. for Bitcoin. And it's also one of the reasons I don't drink and I try to eat. I eat mostly vegan when I'm in New York. 1053 01:14:53,677 --> 01:14:57,737 When I travel, sometimes I break that rule a little now because, one, it's a little bit too hard. 1054 01:14:57,957 --> 01:15:02,937 And, two, sometimes, like, if I'm in Japan and someone's serving sushi, like, I'm going to try it. 1055 01:15:03,037 --> 01:15:08,897 Like, it's just, and I know that makes me kind of like a bad vegan in a way, but it's also like, it's like cultural experience. 1056 01:15:09,177 --> 01:15:09,997 Yeah, that kind of stuff. 1057 01:15:10,117 --> 01:15:10,817 Cultural experience. 1058 01:15:10,817 --> 01:15:11,377 I was vegan once, yeah. 1059 01:15:12,177 --> 01:15:13,397 It didn't last for me. 1060 01:15:13,677 --> 01:15:19,657 There used to be a vegan cookbook by Issa Chandra Moskovitz called The Post-Punk Kitchen. 1061 01:15:19,657 --> 01:15:19,957 Okay. 1062 01:15:19,957 --> 01:15:23,657 You know, like being vegan was an act of, it still is. 1063 01:15:23,837 --> 01:15:24,957 My boss is vegan. 1064 01:15:25,517 --> 01:15:29,737 Alex Gleason, he'll say I'm vegan, by the way, because he takes a lot of shit for being vegan. 1065 01:15:30,477 --> 01:15:43,117 You know, because it's like, yeah, you know, it's funny that we're all this space where we kind of have like these same inclinations of like music, veganism, software development, social work, journalism, activism. 1066 01:15:43,597 --> 01:15:48,437 You know, there's a we have the longer I do this, the more I see these intersections kind of pop up. 1067 01:15:48,437 --> 01:15:49,737 And I'm like, well, we really do a lot. 1068 01:15:49,957 --> 01:15:51,537 the same kind of kooky things in common. 1069 01:15:51,677 --> 01:15:53,417 Like we were all just living our lives 1070 01:15:53,417 --> 01:15:56,117 before Bitcoin came along and brought us all together. 1071 01:15:56,377 --> 01:15:56,637 Totally. 1072 01:15:56,857 --> 01:15:58,197 The one thing I actually wish, 1073 01:15:58,417 --> 01:16:00,377 I'm a little bit sad about this, to be honest. 1074 01:16:01,157 --> 01:16:04,597 I wish more people that I knew from back then 1075 01:16:04,597 --> 01:16:07,257 in the punk rock world, hardcore world, 1076 01:16:07,697 --> 01:16:10,257 I wish more of them got Noster and all this. 1077 01:16:10,577 --> 01:16:11,937 I'm actually kind of blown away 1078 01:16:11,937 --> 01:16:13,677 that more people didn't come over. 1079 01:16:14,577 --> 01:16:16,337 But I think part of, 1080 01:16:16,577 --> 01:16:18,797 this is one of the big things that I think we're doing. 1081 01:16:18,797 --> 01:16:41,757 And this is one of the reasons I'm also kind of leaving. I think a lot of people, even just being a White House correspondent, I think they were sort of like, oh, Frank's part of that, like America Bitcoin sort of thing. And I'm just like, I'm really not like I'm not at all. But the bigger problem, I interviewed someone, the guy who runs the MIT, he ran the MIT Bitcoin Club for a while and he does the Freedom Tech Summit. He organizes the Freedom Tech Summit they do at MIT. 1082 01:16:41,757 --> 01:16:48,197 And he he said I said to him, I interviewed him for podcasts I was doing for Bitcoin magazine. 1083 01:16:48,197 --> 01:16:58,117 And I said, when the Nepal revolution happened, we saw a lot of stuff about people using BitChat and a little bit about people using Bitcoin because the traditional rails were shut down and communication was shut down. 1084 01:16:58,337 --> 01:17:02,037 And I asked him, I was like, did you see like, are we being fed? 1085 01:17:02,177 --> 01:17:06,137 Maybe something that feels a bit embellished, like were that many people really using this? 1086 01:17:06,137 --> 01:17:09,777 And he's like, yeah, like what you're seeing on social media is really, really embarrassing. 1087 01:17:09,777 --> 01:17:16,517 embellish at best, maybe 1% of the youth population downloaded BitChat and even less used Bitcoin. 1088 01:17:16,757 --> 01:17:25,337 I was like, OK, why? And he's like, well, a lot of the activists are on the political left and they see something like Bitcoin as just like this extension of capitalism. 1089 01:17:25,997 --> 01:17:27,037 Get that a lot. 1090 01:17:27,037 --> 01:17:43,497 That, yeah, and that is something that when I write, and I very specifically write these pieces that have to do a lot with inclusivity for Forbes, because I want my normie friends from high school or whatever to be like, wait, that's in Forbes. 1091 01:17:43,557 --> 01:17:46,157 And I know, Frank, Bitcoin's being used for that. 1092 01:17:46,157 --> 01:17:46,497 There's a kind of boom there. 1093 01:17:46,497 --> 01:17:56,697 Yeah, like there's, but I don't see another way that we get people to come over because normies are still associating Bitcoin with like Trump token, Trump meme coin or something. 1094 01:17:56,697 --> 01:18:01,237 Yeah, because he tried to be the crypto president and they'd see the word crypto and they equate it to Bitcoin. 1095 01:18:01,317 --> 01:18:03,017 And that is also a problem still, too. 1096 01:18:03,937 --> 01:18:05,237 It's definitely a problem. 1097 01:18:05,417 --> 01:18:08,117 And so I think I kind of take I gave a talk on this. 1098 01:18:08,217 --> 01:18:14,757 I was down in Colombia two weeks ago and I gave a talk on if you want to be a content creator, lowering your time preference. 1099 01:18:15,017 --> 01:18:17,177 Don't do things to just get attention. 1100 01:18:17,597 --> 01:18:18,857 Just be really consistent. 1101 01:18:19,737 --> 01:18:21,617 Have a have a really honest message. 1102 01:18:21,777 --> 01:18:23,437 Be proud of what you're putting out there. 1103 01:18:23,437 --> 01:18:24,657 You know, do the work. 1104 01:18:24,657 --> 01:18:32,577 And hack, yeah, hack what you need to hack to get people to listen to it, because you could also fall into the trap of just putting out something that nobody listens to or sees. 1105 01:18:32,937 --> 01:18:36,457 So there's immediate, there's a push and pull to this stuff. 1106 01:18:36,797 --> 01:18:41,497 But I think you want to have a low time preference with it. 1107 01:18:41,577 --> 01:18:46,817 I highlighted what I said, like I wrote for a year and a half before a piece that I wrote went viral. 1108 01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:51,457 And I was OK with that, like before a lot of people picked up on like, oh, Frank's writing. 1109 01:18:51,457 --> 01:18:54,797 I did a year and a half of writing where it was largely under the radar. 1110 01:18:55,537 --> 01:19:01,437 And I knew that whenever I did something that felt like I was compromising my integrity, it felt kind of gross. 1111 01:19:01,557 --> 01:19:04,217 And I didn't want to be recognized for something that felt gross. 1112 01:19:04,237 --> 01:19:08,177 Because now I think what happens is you get locked into that personality a little bit. 1113 01:19:08,297 --> 01:19:14,517 There are a lot of like content creators that realize like being like super MAGA or super this will get me more likes. 1114 01:19:14,597 --> 01:19:15,577 Great. I'll just be that. 1115 01:19:15,897 --> 01:19:18,557 The problem with that is like you have to be that now. 1116 01:19:18,557 --> 01:19:21,057 Like even if it's just an act, I don't want to act like that. 1117 01:19:21,057 --> 01:19:27,117 I've seen that a lot. I have that suspicion about certain people that like they've locked themselves into that. 1118 01:19:27,337 --> 01:19:30,037 And maybe they're not really that, but now they're stuck there. 1119 01:19:30,177 --> 01:19:34,117 Once you see some of these people in real life, it kind of becomes obvious to me. 1120 01:19:34,237 --> 01:19:35,317 Maybe that's my theory, though. 1121 01:19:36,257 --> 01:19:42,177 It's a real thing. And I made certain decisions when I was younger that I wasn't proud of. 1122 01:19:42,417 --> 01:19:44,577 And I remember how bad they made me feel. 1123 01:19:44,577 --> 01:19:48,297 and I do everything in my power now to say, 1124 01:19:48,437 --> 01:19:51,097 okay, like, what do I have to do to sort of like, 1125 01:19:52,337 --> 01:19:54,257 I have to pay bills and if I'm going to create content 1126 01:19:54,257 --> 01:19:55,957 and write for a living, like, okay, what do I, 1127 01:19:56,057 --> 01:19:57,117 what's the trade-offs here? 1128 01:19:57,597 --> 01:19:59,837 But, and there are times where I really come right up 1129 01:19:59,837 --> 01:20:01,077 against that edge of like, 1130 01:20:01,157 --> 01:20:02,717 this kind of feels gross to me. 1131 01:20:03,157 --> 01:20:05,717 And those are the moments where I don't go past it. 1132 01:20:05,737 --> 01:20:07,077 So I don't lose sleep over it, 1133 01:20:07,097 --> 01:20:08,717 but I'd say like that, that was enough. 1134 01:20:08,717 --> 01:20:10,397 And I'll even tell my editor or whoever, 1135 01:20:10,877 --> 01:20:12,457 like, I'm not, I don't want to cover this 1136 01:20:12,457 --> 01:20:14,237 and I'm just going to write three more pieces now 1137 01:20:14,237 --> 01:20:17,017 that I feel much more like this is what I really want to say. 1138 01:20:18,057 --> 01:20:26,517 It's it's again, it's it's constantly going up against that thing of like, we want to bring people above that 200 level frequency, right? 1139 01:20:26,517 --> 01:20:34,717 We want to bring them to sort of understand that Bitcoin is banking and banked and that censorship resistance is important and that self-sovereignty is important. 1140 01:20:35,097 --> 01:20:37,277 But it's not going to magically happen. 1141 01:20:37,277 --> 01:20:43,637 So there's a some level of sort of meeting people where they're at and then trying to sort of like lead them to water, if you will. 1142 01:20:43,637 --> 01:20:45,597 That's the social worker in you, the teacher in you. 1143 01:20:45,657 --> 01:20:46,177 You meet them where they're at. 1144 01:20:46,177 --> 01:20:47,177 You meet people where they're at. 1145 01:20:47,237 --> 01:20:47,597 Totally. 1146 01:20:47,877 --> 01:20:48,537 A hundred percent. 1147 01:20:48,857 --> 01:20:49,997 So it's not easy. 1148 01:20:50,257 --> 01:20:50,797 It's not easy. 1149 01:20:51,297 --> 01:20:51,797 It's not easy. 1150 01:20:51,837 --> 01:20:52,417 We'll get there, though. 1151 01:20:52,457 --> 01:20:56,417 But before we go, before we run out of time, I wanted to mention that you have a connection 1152 01:20:56,417 --> 01:21:02,697 to Black Vulcanite, which is a great hip hop group that we love from the media. 1153 01:21:03,217 --> 01:21:03,917 Tell the story. 1154 01:21:05,197 --> 01:21:06,517 This is really funny. 1155 01:21:06,637 --> 01:21:10,697 So I went to graduate school here in the city and I was in a class. 1156 01:21:10,697 --> 01:21:13,917 It was on international education development with a guy named Patrick Sam. 1157 01:21:14,557 --> 01:21:16,017 Patrick came from Namibia. 1158 01:21:16,117 --> 01:21:17,477 I think he was on a Fulbright scholarship. 1159 01:21:17,897 --> 01:21:19,737 And he's a well-known personality there. 1160 01:21:19,757 --> 01:21:24,297 And he's very connected to the art world and the music world and everything else in Namibia. 1161 01:21:25,037 --> 01:21:26,777 And so one of his friends came over. 1162 01:21:26,837 --> 01:21:27,837 One of Patrick's friends came over. 1163 01:21:27,937 --> 01:21:29,497 We were at a party together and he gave me this. 1164 01:21:29,617 --> 01:21:33,357 He's like, yeah, you should listen to this hip-hop outfit called Black Volcanite. 1165 01:21:33,597 --> 01:21:37,197 And this was like, I think this was like still a little bit before streaming. 1166 01:21:37,197 --> 01:21:40,997 I remember he actually like emailed me the MP3s and I put them on whatever player I had. 1167 01:21:41,317 --> 01:21:44,657 And there was a five song EP and I'm forgetting the name of it right now. 1168 01:21:44,737 --> 01:21:45,857 And Oaken's going to get mad at me. 1169 01:21:45,957 --> 01:21:48,297 But I remember listening to it over and over. 1170 01:21:48,437 --> 01:21:51,857 And it's weird because like as you get older, you know, in high school, you're more impressionable. 1171 01:21:51,957 --> 01:21:53,557 You get that thing and you just listen to it on repeat. 1172 01:21:53,557 --> 01:21:54,937 Like you found that thing that you love. 1173 01:21:55,057 --> 01:21:55,357 Your religion. 1174 01:21:55,357 --> 01:21:56,037 Black Volcanite. 1175 01:21:56,257 --> 01:21:56,397 Yeah. 1176 01:21:57,077 --> 01:21:57,397 Yeah. 1177 01:21:58,057 --> 01:22:03,597 Black Volcanite was one of those things like a little bit later in life where I was like, oh, I'm having like almost like a high school reaction to this. 1178 01:22:03,757 --> 01:22:05,137 Like I really like this. 1179 01:22:05,137 --> 01:22:08,777 There were two or three tracks on this EP, especially that were like I really was into. 1180 01:22:08,957 --> 01:22:10,177 The rest of the EP was good, too. 1181 01:22:10,237 --> 01:22:11,097 I'm not, you know, whatever. 1182 01:22:11,357 --> 01:22:15,097 But it's but it was a really good it was a really good release. 1183 01:22:15,457 --> 01:22:17,517 And years later, I end up starting this podcast. 1184 01:22:17,517 --> 01:22:19,577 And the first guest that I invite on is Oaken. 1185 01:22:19,777 --> 01:22:22,337 And he says something about Black Vulcanite. 1186 01:22:22,437 --> 01:22:24,357 And I'm like, oh, yeah, I was like, I've heard of them before. 1187 01:22:24,517 --> 01:22:26,177 He's like, I'm in Black Vulcanites. 1188 01:22:26,177 --> 01:22:29,517 I was listening to Oaken in like 12 and 13. 1189 01:22:29,757 --> 01:22:34,097 When I first got this EP, he's like, yeah, I'm the guy who does like the spoken word and poetry and one of the rappers. 1190 01:22:34,097 --> 01:22:36,397 And I'm like, I know you already. 1191 01:22:36,477 --> 01:22:39,497 Not only that, but I went and lived in Namibia for a brief period of time. 1192 01:22:40,097 --> 01:22:47,517 And when I told Okun where I was hanging out and who I was hanging out with, we were probably at the same parties and music events together, but didn't know it. 1193 01:22:47,637 --> 01:22:48,977 And then we met through Bitcoin. 1194 01:22:49,137 --> 01:22:50,477 So, yeah, it was a really fun story. 1195 01:22:50,657 --> 01:22:54,917 Shout out to Okun, EasySats, keeping Namibia educated about Bitcoin. 1196 01:22:55,117 --> 01:22:59,097 I've luckily got to meet him a few times at different events around the world. 1197 01:22:59,317 --> 01:23:01,057 Yeah, really fun, fun connection. 1198 01:23:01,277 --> 01:23:02,917 So, yeah, it does bring us all together. 1199 01:23:02,917 --> 01:23:23,569 But I think I don want to sound too hippy dippy with this It like it is the frequency thing I think the people who really really get Bitcoin are existing on a bit of a higher frequency I not again I not trying to be like to whatever but I do think that there a level of enlightenment a level of like OK I see what this is And it not just a asset that 1200 01:23:23,569 --> 01:23:27,789 goes up and down. And it's like there's something really kind of special here in terms of the way 1201 01:23:27,789 --> 01:23:34,949 that this will empower humanity, people, everyday people that gets I think as more people maybe get 1202 01:23:34,949 --> 01:23:38,909 over some of the stuff we just talked about, which was like, this is just a tool for capitalism or 1203 01:23:38,909 --> 01:23:43,889 blah, blah, blah. Once that can, once that sort of disappears and Bitcoin just becomes a bit more 1204 01:23:43,889 --> 01:23:49,629 normalized, ideally it kind of sucks people into this higher frequency vortex. And we, and as a 1205 01:23:49,629 --> 01:23:54,649 result of things like Bitcoin, Nostra, et cetera, humanity becomes more enlightened. I'll leave it 1206 01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:59,369 there. Yeah. That's the perfect ending. I'm going to play Black Volcanite and some of your other 1207 01:23:59,369 --> 01:24:04,469 favorite artists that we love, like Joe Martin, who has a new single coming out for Valentine's 1208 01:24:04,469 --> 01:24:08,149 and also Man Like Quex, another Bitcoin educator in Africa. 1209 01:24:08,469 --> 01:24:12,089 And any other artists that I should play at the end of the podcast. 1210 01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:13,409 Ainsley Costello is great. 1211 01:24:13,469 --> 01:24:14,249 I know she's popular. 1212 01:24:14,409 --> 01:24:15,709 We played a show together in Nashville. 1213 01:24:15,849 --> 01:24:16,969 So shout out to Ainsley. 1214 01:24:17,329 --> 01:24:17,949 What's his name? 1215 01:24:18,029 --> 01:24:19,909 From the format who started Wave Lake. 1216 01:24:20,029 --> 01:24:20,429 Sam! 1217 01:24:20,429 --> 01:24:21,169 Sam Means. 1218 01:24:21,549 --> 01:24:21,769 Yeah. 1219 01:24:22,269 --> 01:24:23,969 Shout out to Sam and what he's done. 1220 01:24:24,289 --> 01:24:25,129 Yeah, Sam's great. 1221 01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:26,809 And what he's doing with the format again. 1222 01:24:27,369 --> 01:24:28,929 I'm going to do one more story if you don't mind. 1223 01:24:29,529 --> 01:24:30,129 Go for it. 1224 01:24:30,129 --> 01:24:37,109 in 2005 i was working for warner music group and we started a division called east west which has 1225 01:24:37,109 --> 01:24:41,029 turned into something called independent label group and what we were doing at that time was 1226 01:24:41,029 --> 01:24:45,389 signing independent labels and helping them do their distribution because people were still it 1227 01:24:45,389 --> 01:24:49,409 was that era of like physical music kind of disappearing but there wasn't really an answer 1228 01:24:49,409 --> 01:24:55,129 on the digital streaming side yet and i i helped do the distribution for the formats record so i 1229 01:24:55,129 --> 01:25:01,829 actually worked with sam before i knew him in bitcoin too so i was i met sam so him and uh the 1230 01:25:01,829 --> 01:25:08,189 singer of the format came up to the lobby of the building it was a yeah yeah yeah of uh it's a 1231 01:25:08,189 --> 01:25:13,289 building on 6th avenue and 52nd street in new york it's no longer but it's where warner brothers and 1232 01:25:13,289 --> 01:25:18,649 rolling stone were and he came up to the lobby of the building and played a song or two so i saw sam 1233 01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:21,209 play like a little intimate performance in 2005. 1234 01:25:21,629 --> 01:25:22,409 Oh, my God. 1235 01:25:22,969 --> 01:25:23,609 Young Sam. 1236 01:25:23,809 --> 01:25:24,729 Before I met him again. 1237 01:25:24,949 --> 01:25:25,889 Yeah, young Sam. 1238 01:25:26,329 --> 01:25:27,329 Young Sam, yeah. 1239 01:25:27,469 --> 01:25:33,069 I got to go to the 25th anniversary format show here in Phoenix at the end of September. 1240 01:25:33,929 --> 01:25:40,189 It was biblically raining and flooding, and we all packed into the old Sun's Purple Palace. 1241 01:25:40,269 --> 01:25:40,629 Nice. 1242 01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:41,949 Veterans War of Coliseum. 1243 01:25:41,989 --> 01:25:42,889 They filled the house. 1244 01:25:43,269 --> 01:25:46,489 You can't play the format on Radio Detox, but I can play Means. 1245 01:25:47,469 --> 01:25:47,729 Cool. 1246 01:25:47,729 --> 01:25:49,489 That means solo work I can play. 1247 01:25:50,489 --> 01:25:50,749 Cool. 1248 01:25:51,009 --> 01:25:51,469 Well, that's it. 1249 01:25:51,529 --> 01:25:52,969 But those are my shout outs. 1250 01:25:53,249 --> 01:25:54,529 I love what Sam is doing. 1251 01:25:54,769 --> 01:25:57,209 Ideally, we see, you know, just continued slow and steady. 1252 01:25:57,329 --> 01:26:00,149 I mean, I want to see parabolic growth, but slow and steady growth with Wave Lake. 1253 01:26:00,149 --> 01:26:05,049 But at the very least, I'm just very glad that Wave Lake is an option for artists and the artists that I have. 1254 01:26:05,969 --> 01:26:06,369 Yeah. 1255 01:26:06,669 --> 01:26:12,389 The ones I've gotten to check it out have been very much like, shit, like, whoa, this is cool. 1256 01:26:12,569 --> 01:26:14,009 Like, this is something here. 1257 01:26:14,009 --> 01:26:18,469 I think you were one of the first people with your Forbes article to write about Ainsley. 1258 01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:23,049 And I think you even mentioned Joe and Manly Clex and maybe some others and Sam and Wavelake. 1259 01:26:23,169 --> 01:26:24,929 And I think you were one of the first people to cover it. 1260 01:26:24,949 --> 01:26:31,829 That was like two years ago because I remember we were so excited here in Phoenix because, you know, we were all involved here. 1261 01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:34,589 Our Nostra crews was very involved in all that. 1262 01:26:34,649 --> 01:26:40,469 And we were like, oh, my God, somebody from Forbes wrote about what we're doing and like what our artists are doing. 1263 01:26:40,469 --> 01:26:44,309 and our artists have the, you know, they've got this boost that we need. 1264 01:26:44,389 --> 01:26:48,229 And like that just that made our life, you know, and then keep it up. 1265 01:26:48,869 --> 01:26:50,849 Julie Costello wanted me to give you a shout out. 1266 01:26:50,969 --> 01:26:52,769 Oh, God, I still remember that article. 1267 01:26:52,889 --> 01:26:55,389 That was that was so huge that he did that. 1268 01:26:55,489 --> 01:26:57,469 And we very, very much appreciate that. 1269 01:26:58,109 --> 01:26:58,989 Pleasure is all mine. 1270 01:26:59,089 --> 01:27:02,629 And I think breaking those stories, especially to more of a mainstream audience. 1271 01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:03,589 It was actually funny. 1272 01:27:03,689 --> 01:27:08,669 It was one of the women who I taught with at a public school in New York, a bit older than me, 1273 01:27:08,729 --> 01:27:10,169 probably 10, 20 years older than me. 1274 01:27:10,169 --> 01:27:17,889 She turned her son, who's a hip hop artist, onto Wave Lake because she saw me post on my Instagram that article and was like, it's in Forbes and you can do this with Bitcoin. 1275 01:27:18,129 --> 01:27:19,529 And it did change the way she thought. 1276 01:27:19,609 --> 01:27:24,029 So it did have an impact on the way people look at value for value, Noster, Bitcoin, all that stuff. 1277 01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:30,149 And ideally, yeah, want to do more of that now that I'm free from the political stuff. 1278 01:27:30,269 --> 01:27:33,469 I want to do more of that when the opportunities arise. 1279 01:27:33,869 --> 01:27:34,409 Keep it up, Frank. 1280 01:27:34,469 --> 01:27:35,509 Well, I've kept you long enough. 1281 01:27:35,589 --> 01:27:37,129 I know we both have to go on about our days. 1282 01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:38,389 So I thank you for your time. 1283 01:27:38,789 --> 01:27:39,989 We'll have to do this again. 1284 01:27:40,169 --> 01:27:45,469 Once we get the big reveal about what's next for Frank, we'll have you back on again soon. 1285 01:27:45,949 --> 01:27:47,409 We won't be strangers. 1286 01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:48,509 We'll talk again soon. 1287 01:27:48,589 --> 01:27:49,129 Thank you, Frank. 1288 01:27:50,269 --> 01:27:50,569 Amen. 1289 01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:51,149 Appreciate it. 1290 01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:52,409 Thank you so much for having me on, Heather. 1291 01:27:52,549 --> 01:27:53,349 Sincerely appreciate it. 1292 01:27:53,369 --> 01:27:54,369 And thank you to everybody who listened. 1293 01:27:54,469 --> 01:27:55,089 Much appreciated. 1294 01:27:55,289 --> 01:27:56,049 Talk soon, everybody. 1295 01:27:56,729 --> 01:27:57,429 There you have it. 1296 01:27:57,529 --> 01:27:58,189 Frank Korva. 1297 01:27:58,369 --> 01:28:05,049 I think the best conversation that I've had so far on Radio Detox really meets the moment. 1298 01:28:05,049 --> 01:28:15,949 I love Frank's involvement in the space, his passion, his humility for wanting to, I think, help the people who want or they want the help most. 1299 01:28:16,009 --> 01:28:17,689 I think they need the help most. 1300 01:28:17,889 --> 01:28:25,529 And Frank is willing to go anywhere in the world to do the work, to follow a story, to do the reporting. 1301 01:28:26,009 --> 01:28:31,809 And if you ever have a chance to send Frank a zap on Noster, I think you should do that. 1302 01:28:31,809 --> 01:28:37,549 if you ever have a chance to support his work, any work that he does in any way, I strongly 1303 01:28:37,549 --> 01:28:44,189 encourage that. And the world needs more Frank Corvas. And if you support one Frank Corva, 1304 01:28:44,189 --> 01:28:49,369 I think more will come along. You know, we have to be the change and we have to create 1305 01:28:49,369 --> 01:28:56,049 the world that we want. And that's the one thing I think people in Bitcoin, open source, 1306 01:28:56,529 --> 01:29:00,989 Noster, whatever you want to call this whole space, I think that's one thing that we do better 1307 01:29:00,989 --> 01:29:05,089 than anyone else as we create the world that we want to see. 1308 01:29:05,229 --> 01:29:08,369 We're breathing things into existence, basically. 1309 01:29:08,649 --> 01:29:12,389 And I think Frank's got quite the bright future. 1310 01:29:12,609 --> 01:29:14,509 Can't wait to see what Frank does next. 1311 01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:15,989 We know it's going to be great. 1312 01:29:16,449 --> 01:29:17,789 And we know Frank always serves. 1313 01:29:17,789 --> 01:29:23,349 So let's serve up some great music now from all of the artists that Frank mentioned that 1314 01:29:23,349 --> 01:29:24,209 he likes. 1315 01:29:24,829 --> 01:29:27,589 And hopefully it will turn you on to some of these artists. 1316 01:29:27,589 --> 01:29:34,589 and you can find them on Fountain, Wave Lake, just, you know, they're out there and wherever 1317 01:29:34,589 --> 01:29:39,209 you support them and however you support them, just know that they appreciate it. 1318 01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:47,129 And hard money is probably the ultimate compliment, but, you know, helping your friends discover 1319 01:29:47,129 --> 01:29:52,929 these artists is also a way that you can support and, you know, maybe even doing a music podcast 1320 01:29:52,929 --> 01:29:55,149 of your own if that so moves you. 1321 01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:58,089 We could always use more voices in this space 1322 01:29:58,089 --> 01:30:00,049 and let the cream rise. 1323 01:30:00,249 --> 01:30:03,429 As far as music and as far as the podcasting is concerned, 1324 01:30:03,909 --> 01:30:07,529 I'm going to get into a super set of great music 1325 01:30:07,529 --> 01:30:11,289 recommended by Frank Corva now on Radio Detox. 1326 01:30:11,289 --> 01:30:18,409 I know my eyes already like you, baby. 1327 01:30:20,669 --> 01:30:22,789 Filter. It's filter shit. 1328 01:30:22,929 --> 01:30:28,929 It's crazy cause it ain't really much to it, he just picked all the right parts of his 1329 01:30:52,929 --> 01:30:55,729 You prank calling, well guess what? I got your number now 1330 01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:57,729 We free falling through the atmosphere 1331 01:30:57,729 --> 01:31:01,329 The art of fear is what we give you and it's rigged with the bomb for your career 1332 01:31:01,329 --> 01:31:04,129 I like to flow but we both know the dams are closed 1333 01:31:04,129 --> 01:31:06,729 You dudes are killing hip hop tumors call you cans and froze 1334 01:31:06,729 --> 01:31:09,129 You rock the show but I made it jump like Ancelopes 1335 01:31:09,129 --> 01:31:12,129 Now I'm backstage promoters, hand me cash and envelopes and we out 1336 01:31:12,129 --> 01:31:15,229 Man this is how you navigate the dark, this is art 1337 01:31:15,229 --> 01:31:18,229 Watch the metrics walk, witnessing the guards from strange lands 1338 01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:20,129 Just a little rhyme from the bass man 1339 01:31:20,129 --> 01:31:22,729 We open up a portal to the land of the eighth man 1340 01:31:22,729 --> 01:31:27,269 the clock man this is how you navigate the dark this is hard watch the metal spark with this 1341 01:31:27,269 --> 01:31:32,229 thing they guard some strange lands just a little rhyme for the bass man we open up a portal to the 1342 01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:36,329 land of the eighth man you see i got it got it i put rappers in pockets hopping they thinking 1343 01:31:36,329 --> 01:31:40,409 they popping but they ain't popping they barely average i'm hopping nobody's fancy they're smacking 1344 01:31:40,409 --> 01:31:43,909 a homie sans list don't make sense where your sentences i've been blessed with this essence of 1345 01:31:43,909 --> 01:31:48,469 gab spit it with reckless or bad fuck what you think and you can't i am a veteran better than 1346 01:31:48,469 --> 01:31:51,769 MC's they dick riding, bandwagoning, fangirling everything 1347 01:31:51,769 --> 01:31:54,609 Sit the fuck back down, y'all not fucking with the team 1348 01:31:54,609 --> 01:31:57,189 Rogue man, rude boy, random city, nah I mean 1349 01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:59,889 This somebody, motherfucker, when me step up, I ain't seen 1350 01:31:59,889 --> 01:32:02,809 Run them team, say nah I mean a fucker with no wannabe 1351 01:32:02,809 --> 01:32:05,469 Now I'm about to bust up every one of these niggas 1352 01:32:05,469 --> 01:32:07,989 Lil niggas, you all little niggas to me 1353 01:32:07,989 --> 01:32:10,629 You claiming that you guard, but you barely even damn me 1354 01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:13,329 Bring any, I make a bitch nigga feel femmy 1355 01:32:13,329 --> 01:32:16,129 You get me, I'm easy like Sunday morning 1356 01:32:16,129 --> 01:32:18,449 Stop the clock, man this is how you navigate the dark 1357 01:32:18,449 --> 01:32:22,089 This is art, watch the mental spark, witnessing the gods from strange lands. 1358 01:32:22,249 --> 01:32:23,989 Just a little rhyme from the base, man. 1359 01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:26,629 We open up a portal to the land of the ape, man. 1360 01:32:26,769 --> 01:32:29,169 The clock, man, this is how you navigate the dark. 1361 01:32:29,269 --> 01:32:32,709 This is art, watch the mental spark, witnessing the gods from strange lands. 1362 01:32:32,909 --> 01:32:34,649 Just a little rhyme from the base, man. 1363 01:32:34,809 --> 01:32:37,389 We open up a portal to the land of the ape, man. 1364 01:32:38,749 --> 01:32:40,729 Though they may be confusing at times, 1365 01:32:41,129 --> 01:32:45,909 learning to use these particles properly will greatly contribute to your fluency in Japanese. 1366 01:32:48,449 --> 01:32:51,789 My eyes already light 1367 01:32:51,789 --> 01:32:57,149 Silence is gone 1368 01:32:57,149 --> 01:33:02,289 You will be alone 1369 01:33:02,289 --> 01:33:05,829 I hope they write that I was righteous 1370 01:33:05,829 --> 01:33:09,089 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1371 01:33:09,089 --> 01:33:10,789 At night with a bleeding pen 1372 01:33:10,789 --> 01:33:13,489 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1373 01:33:13,489 --> 01:33:14,869 So am I really him? 1374 01:33:18,449 --> 01:33:22,209 Yeah, yeah, I hope they write that I was righteous 1375 01:33:22,209 --> 01:33:25,349 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1376 01:33:25,349 --> 01:33:27,089 At night with the bleeding pen 1377 01:33:27,089 --> 01:33:29,649 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1378 01:33:29,649 --> 01:33:31,169 So am I really him? 1379 01:33:31,529 --> 01:33:32,589 Am I really Mark? 1380 01:33:32,789 --> 01:33:35,249 Or am I Peter Park in the game with Tony Stark? 1381 01:33:35,329 --> 01:33:37,949 Just stalking the white babe home to watch I go to bed 1382 01:33:37,949 --> 01:33:40,729 And wake up the next day when the news pronounced I dead 1383 01:33:40,729 --> 01:33:42,209 Because you know my deeds 1384 01:33:42,209 --> 01:33:43,489 And you know I bleed 1385 01:33:43,489 --> 01:33:46,109 140 characters on your Twitter feed 1386 01:33:46,109 --> 01:33:47,789 Tweet, tweet, Gaza tweeted me 1387 01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:50,089 And my crew are the best as far as hip hop 1388 01:33:50,089 --> 01:33:51,669 But we about to go global 1389 01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:53,729 This is a pit stop, I'm refueling 1390 01:33:53,729 --> 01:33:55,409 So quit drooling on yourself 1391 01:33:55,409 --> 01:33:58,009 Every time you see me swell into a giant presentation 1392 01:33:58,009 --> 01:34:01,109 Of what most of you perceive as the standard classical skinny guy 1393 01:34:01,109 --> 01:34:03,789 Never died for my city, I'd rather the effin' city died 1394 01:34:03,789 --> 01:34:06,389 F and CC aren't on my mind when I'm smoking these trees 1395 01:34:06,389 --> 01:34:09,169 I'm displeased with the number of kweitos that are wearing DCs 1396 01:34:09,169 --> 01:34:11,909 You know that they don't skateboard and that's what they were made for 1397 01:34:11,909 --> 01:34:14,649 May 4th, for Star Wars geeks having a face off 1398 01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:15,909 I'm Adolf when I hit her 1399 01:34:15,909 --> 01:34:19,969 With some of that 70, 70, 70 mega hot interceptive ram spitter 1400 01:34:19,969 --> 01:34:22,349 So speak up young blood, cause I can't hear you 1401 01:34:22,349 --> 01:34:25,789 But the sound of a thousand people screaming my name waiting for my shit to drop 1402 01:34:25,789 --> 01:34:27,609 I hope they write that I was righteous 1403 01:34:27,609 --> 01:34:30,809 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1404 01:34:30,809 --> 01:34:32,569 At night with the bleeding pen 1405 01:34:32,569 --> 01:34:35,029 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1406 01:34:35,029 --> 01:34:36,609 So am I really him? 1407 01:34:36,789 --> 01:34:38,449 I hope they write that I was righteous 1408 01:34:38,449 --> 01:34:41,709 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1409 01:34:41,709 --> 01:34:43,469 At night with the bleeding pen 1410 01:34:43,469 --> 01:34:45,949 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1411 01:34:45,949 --> 01:34:47,589 So it might really hit me 1412 01:34:47,589 --> 01:34:49,829 I'm feeling like I'm just crumbling 1413 01:34:49,829 --> 01:34:52,689 Riding for my eyes and I cannot do a thing 1414 01:34:52,689 --> 01:34:55,129 So I turn to the pen and the pen 1415 01:34:55,129 --> 01:34:57,289 Open the lift, hold of the evil spirits 1416 01:34:57,289 --> 01:34:59,729 A nigga have be away with you, motherfucker 1417 01:34:59,729 --> 01:35:00,849 Keep me from thinking straight 1418 01:35:00,849 --> 01:35:02,289 They say time waits for no man 1419 01:35:02,289 --> 01:35:03,449 And I ain't got time to wait 1420 01:35:03,449 --> 01:35:04,709 Better yet waste, I'm 24 1421 01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:06,169 Try to make haste and get my dough 1422 01:35:06,169 --> 01:35:07,889 Better not feel like college depression's on 1423 01:35:07,889 --> 01:35:08,529 What you know? 1424 01:35:08,669 --> 01:35:09,909 Got a nigga feeling all alone 1425 01:35:09,909 --> 01:35:11,649 So I say to myself, on my own 1426 01:35:11,649 --> 01:35:12,989 Don't say nothing to no man 1427 01:35:12,989 --> 01:35:14,409 Truth be told, not that social 1428 01:35:14,409 --> 01:35:15,849 Better way rhymes to express my vocals 1429 01:35:15,849 --> 01:35:17,029 And that pain that I feel inside 1430 01:35:17,029 --> 01:35:18,429 Could drive a nigga local, don't feel alive 1431 01:35:18,429 --> 01:35:20,289 Only feel so, so, so, so, ahh 1432 01:35:20,289 --> 01:35:22,169 I hope they write that I was righteous 1433 01:35:22,169 --> 01:35:25,289 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1434 01:35:25,289 --> 01:35:27,129 At night with the bleeding pin 1435 01:35:27,129 --> 01:35:29,589 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1436 01:35:29,589 --> 01:35:31,149 So am I really him? 1437 01:35:31,149 --> 01:35:33,009 I hope they write that I was righteous 1438 01:35:33,009 --> 01:35:36,249 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1439 01:35:36,249 --> 01:35:38,029 At night with the bleeding pin 1440 01:35:38,029 --> 01:35:40,549 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1441 01:35:40,549 --> 01:35:41,989 So am I really him? 1442 01:35:41,989 --> 01:35:44,389 Let me speak of the devil, I never speak of the devil 1443 01:35:44,389 --> 01:35:47,889 Cause when I speak of the devil, he will show up a new mental in my affairs 1444 01:35:47,889 --> 01:35:50,089 Sinking my boat, burning a flare 1445 01:35:50,089 --> 01:35:52,789 I keep my violent exes and phone book listed in pairs 1446 01:35:52,789 --> 01:35:56,689 I'll turn a hot day into a dance in the rain on a scale that they measure talks 1447 01:35:56,689 --> 01:36:01,089 But we weighed about the same because we both had uncanny skills with a notepad 1448 01:36:01,089 --> 01:36:03,789 I'd rather not talk about the things that we both had 1449 01:36:03,789 --> 01:36:06,489 I'd rather talk about the things we didn't like a ghost ad 1450 01:36:06,489 --> 01:36:09,389 Cause you are not the man that makes you, I am Sekou 1451 01:36:09,389 --> 01:36:11,989 I am long negotiations waiting for a breakthrough 1452 01:36:11,989 --> 01:36:14,689 I am the only Asian in this class with a space suit 1453 01:36:14,689 --> 01:36:16,189 So geeks humble yourselves 1454 01:36:16,189 --> 01:36:19,789 I might mumble a name or two in my sleep about dudes I look up to 1455 01:36:19,789 --> 01:36:20,789 But I'd never say it 1456 01:36:20,789 --> 01:36:22,789 I'm only a fan when I'm sedated 1457 01:36:22,789 --> 01:36:25,589 And fuck a fan you're only my fam if we related 1458 01:36:25,589 --> 01:36:27,789 I hope they write that I was righteous 1459 01:36:27,789 --> 01:36:30,989 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1460 01:36:30,989 --> 01:36:32,789 At night with the bleeding pen 1461 01:36:32,789 --> 01:36:35,389 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1462 01:36:35,389 --> 01:36:36,789 So am I really him? 1463 01:36:36,789 --> 01:36:38,789 I hope they write that I was righteous 1464 01:36:38,789 --> 01:36:41,909 I hope they write that the kid was writing with arthritis 1465 01:36:41,909 --> 01:36:43,589 At night with the bleeding pen 1466 01:36:43,589 --> 01:36:46,309 With the power to make soldiers from civilians 1467 01:36:46,309 --> 01:36:48,309 So am I really him? 1468 01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:52,629 My best poems are the ones I'm not ready to write 1469 01:36:53,269 --> 01:36:57,429 And even though their words and rhymes keep hitting my creative receptors like battering rams 1470 01:36:57,429 --> 01:37:02,149 Sent by the speed of what I've always been afraid to release the means of addictive scrutiny of 1471 01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:03,029 The light 1472 01:37:03,029 --> 01:37:05,589 It's not the battle with the shadows that I've battled with all my life 1473 01:37:05,589 --> 01:37:18,720 See I might not worry a long time ago and thinking that I coming for my own crown is just a type of disillusioned foolery that will result in your sudden departure from the comfort of your perceived supremacy at its highest point of solitary revelry 1474 01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:24,360 Now the fact that they have never and thus probably won't ever attempt to understand 1475 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:28,400 why my royalty runs deeper than what debts and heights could ever retain 1476 01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:33,080 with the aim to restrain, is exactly why my proclamations must remain reserved 1477 01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,380 within the form of a cellular membrane. 1478 01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:58,740 It's a lonely open road, I could fall asleep 1479 01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:06,200 It's a matter of myself, just a matter of peace 1480 01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:11,480 Keep keeping you, Kalina, don't lead me away 1481 01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:14,860 I can read the lights on the television 1482 01:38:14,860 --> 01:38:18,700 You, Kalina, don't lead me away 1483 01:38:18,700 --> 01:38:22,340 Kalina, oh, oh, oh, oh 1484 01:38:22,340 --> 01:38:25,480 Kalina, Kalina, my young 1485 01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:28,940 It's the season of my solitude 1486 01:38:28,940 --> 01:38:31,460 I can hold my phone 1487 01:38:31,460 --> 01:38:36,240 I just want a little gratitude 1488 01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,860 But you just let me know 1489 01:38:38,860 --> 01:38:40,980 So here we go 1490 01:38:40,980 --> 01:38:44,200 Kalina, don't lead me away 1491 01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:47,600 I can hear the bell in the church ringing 1492 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,440 Kalina, don't lead me away 1493 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:55,320 Kalina, don't lead me away 1494 01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,780 Believer, don't lead me away 1495 01:38:58,780 --> 01:39:05,440 Coming up, coming up, coming up, my girl 1496 01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:09,840 It's the only road to travel 1497 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,520 I have to find it in the city 1498 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:17,280 Anywhere you wanna go, go back home 1499 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,820 I can hold it up again, so don't 1500 01:39:19,820 --> 01:39:23,500 We're gone, we might not see how long 1501 01:39:23,500 --> 01:39:26,380 We might not see it, any way you wanna go 1502 01:39:26,380 --> 01:39:28,220 Go back home 1503 01:39:28,220 --> 01:39:37,280 I can't hold myself together 1504 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:44,120 I should go to sleep 1505 01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:48,660 I guess it's only the open road 1506 01:39:48,660 --> 01:39:51,620 I should lie to sleep 1507 01:39:51,620 --> 01:39:55,260 But I can't end now 1508 01:39:55,260 --> 01:39:58,940 Spin it round and round and round 1509 01:39:58,940 --> 01:40:01,760 Then I found you, Kalina 1510 01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,160 Don't lead me away 1511 01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,600 I can read the lights on the television 1512 01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,020 You, Kalina 1513 01:40:09,020 --> 01:40:11,440 Don't lead me away 1514 01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:14,880 I can hear the bells in the church ringing 1515 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,320 You, Kalina 1516 01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,740 Don't lead me away 1517 01:40:18,740 --> 01:40:22,040 Shake me up, sigh and off my body 1518 01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:23,580 You, Kalina 1519 01:40:23,580 --> 01:40:28,480 Don't leave me away, call me not 1520 01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:35,340 Oh no, you call me not 1521 01:40:35,340 --> 01:40:42,080 Oh no, you call me not 1522 01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:48,1000 Oh no, you call me not 1523 01:40:48,1000 --> 01:40:51,1000 Oh no 1524 01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:57,080 It's the only road to travel on 1525 01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:01,660 So much easier than sitting home 1526 01:41:01,660 --> 01:41:05,580 Any way you want to go 1527 01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:27,020 It's an easy getaway 1528 01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:32,000 I just need something to clear my brain 1529 01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,780 I'm a tangled web 1530 01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:39,140 With the answer in my pocket 1531 01:41:39,140 --> 01:41:43,360 I'm not trying to escape you 1532 01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:48,140 You know I love it but it's dragging me down 1533 01:41:48,140 --> 01:41:51,240 I know this never hurt to argue 1534 01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,920 But you're coming around 1535 01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,900 I know that I left you alone 1536 01:41:58,900 --> 01:42:02,360 But what else can I say 1537 01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:07,400 Keeping up with the things back home 1538 01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:11,300 Feeling guilty when you call on the phone 1539 01:42:11,300 --> 01:42:13,800 Take me 1540 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:17,980 Take me to a happier place 1541 01:42:17,980 --> 01:42:21,940 To find out 1542 01:42:21,940 --> 01:42:26,000 If I can do it with the smile on my face 1543 01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,840 Take me 1544 01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:34,180 Take me to a happy time 1545 01:42:34,180 --> 01:42:37,940 To find out 1546 01:42:37,940 --> 01:42:41,920 If I can do it all for a time 1547 01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:43,920 Hey, hey, hey 1548 01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:51,340 Tick tock, close the clock and I've been running 1549 01:42:51,340 --> 01:42:54,200 Someone else is dying 1550 01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:59,620 Five shots and I'll be dead where I was standing around 1551 01:43:04,620 --> 01:43:07,360 It's an easy way out 1552 01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:12,420 I think it's time to reconcile my head 1553 01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:15,940 I'm a bottom line fetal 1554 01:43:15,940 --> 01:43:19,080 Lower in my pocket 1555 01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,820 Take me 1556 01:43:21,820 --> 01:43:25,900 Take me to a happiest place 1557 01:43:25,900 --> 01:43:29,900 To find out 1558 01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:33,900 If I can do it with the smile on my face 1559 01:43:33,900 --> 01:43:37,760 Take me 1560 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:42,180 Take me to a happiest time 1561 01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:45,940 I want to find out 1562 01:43:45,940 --> 01:43:49,920 If I can turn the light 1563 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,180 Hey, hey, hey, hey 1564 01:43:52,180 --> 01:44:13,780 Went to a party yesterday 1565 01:44:13,780 --> 01:44:20,140 All by myself so should have played 1566 01:44:22,180 --> 01:44:27,040 After drinking, I started to run 1567 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:32,900 Went home mainly cause it wasn't fine 1568 01:44:32,900 --> 01:44:39,260 You can live forever, you can live forever, son 1569 01:44:39,260 --> 01:44:48,020 Go to work and I'll pay the rent 1570 01:44:48,020 --> 01:44:54,320 Got no money cause my money's bad 1571 01:44:54,320 --> 01:45:00,100 So concerned that I lost my soul 1572 01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:05,960 So I gave it up for the rock and roll 1573 01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:12,460 You don't know what life is to you 1574 01:45:18,020 --> 01:45:21,200 Got myself what I just want to scream 1575 01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:28,580 I'm just living the American dream 1576 01:45:28,580 --> 01:45:33,800 Grab a partner, set something new 1577 01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:38,960 Got me a kid and a dog 1578 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:46,300 You don't know what life is to you 1579 01:45:48,020 --> 01:46:18,000 You can live forever 1580 01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:22,180 What's your damage, honey? 1581 01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,360 What's the fuss about? 1582 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,220 Tell me what I'm missing 1583 01:46:28,220 --> 01:46:31,740 Am I really missing out? 1584 01:46:31,740 --> 01:46:33,160 What's the rush? 1585 01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:34,540 You feel the rush? 1586 01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,500 There's plenty of time to fall in love 1587 01:46:37,500 --> 01:46:39,960 Am I wrong in thinking? 1588 01:46:40,820 --> 01:46:44,000 Heartbreak doesn't sound too fun 1589 01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,420 Never cry it over 1590 01:46:47,420 --> 01:46:50,860 Someone so replaceable 1591 01:46:50,860 --> 01:46:53,240 I'm getting closer 1592 01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,180 To finally feeling comfortable 1593 01:46:56,180 --> 01:46:59,440 You say that I should settle down 1594 01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:02,400 The second my feet hit the ground 1595 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,220 Too restless to accept itself 1596 01:47:05,220 --> 01:47:08,440 And now I'm staying exless 1597 01:47:08,440 --> 01:47:11,080 E-X-L-E-S-S 1598 01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:14,020 E-X-L-E-S-S 1599 01:47:14,020 --> 01:47:16,360 Why's it up for discussion? 1600 01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,440 It's not hurting anyone 1601 01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:22,200 And just cause I'm not crushing 1602 01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:25,880 Don't mean I'm not having fun 1603 01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,700 What's the rush? You feel the rush? 1604 01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,540 There's plenty of time to fall in love 1605 01:47:31,540 --> 01:47:35,360 There's plenty of time to fall in love 1606 01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:40,120 Never cry it over 1607 01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,500 Someone so replaceable 1608 01:47:43,500 --> 01:47:45,960 I'm getting closer 1609 01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,840 To finally feel uncomfortable 1610 01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:52,140 To say that I should settle down 1611 01:47:52,140 --> 01:47:55,100 The second my feet hit the ground 1612 01:47:55,100 --> 01:47:57,920 Too restless to accept itself 1613 01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:01,020 And now I'm staying excellent 1614 01:48:01,020 --> 01:48:03,780 E-S-L-E-S-S 1615 01:48:03,780 --> 01:48:06,720 E-S-L-E-S-S 1616 01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,640 E-S-L-E-S-S 1617 01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,560 E-S-L-E-S-S 1618 01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,200 What is your damage? 1619 01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:18,280 I am so absurd 1620 01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:21,580 What is your rush, babes? 1621 01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:23,820 Why do you so concerned? 1622 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,300 What is your damage? 1623 01:48:27,620 --> 01:48:29,920 Honey, what have you heard? 1624 01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,240 Why are you out of your rush, babe? 1625 01:48:33,500 --> 01:48:35,700 Honey, you're so concerned 1626 01:48:35,700 --> 01:48:42,060 I'm crying over someone so replaceable 1627 01:48:42,060 --> 01:48:44,420 I am getting closer 1628 01:48:44,420 --> 01:48:47,420 To find me feeling comfortable 1629 01:48:47,420 --> 01:48:50,420 To say that I should settle down 1630 01:48:50,420 --> 01:48:53,420 To the second my feet at the ground 1631 01:48:53,420 --> 01:48:56,420 To restless to undefined soul 1632 01:48:56,420 --> 01:48:58,420 But now I'm staying in it 1633 01:48:58,420 --> 01:49:00,420 Staying in it fast 1634 01:49:00,420 --> 01:49:02,420 E-S-L-E-S-S 1635 01:49:02,420 --> 01:49:04,420 E-S-L-E-S-S 1636 01:49:04,420 --> 01:49:06,420 Staying in fast 1637 01:49:06,420 --> 01:49:08,420 E-S-L-E-S-S 1638 01:49:08,420 --> 01:49:10,420 E-S-L-E-S-S 1639 01:49:14,420 --> 01:49:19,920 If it was what you liked, I'd do it 1640 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:25,560 Even if I wasn't into it 1641 01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:30,360 I'm not proud of it 1642 01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,000 Never knew how to get out of it 1643 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,400 So I've been asking my therapist 1644 01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:40,800 If I'm a people pleaser 1645 01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:44,480 Going down, down, down a one night street 1646 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,580 In the wrong direction 1647 01:49:46,580 --> 01:49:49,300 Ditching myself from this connection 1648 01:49:49,300 --> 01:49:52,960 Pleasing everyone but me 1649 01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:57,020 So, if you're gonna be with me 1650 01:49:57,020 --> 01:50:00,160 Please me, please me, please me 1651 01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:04,120 I'll lock that door, you can't break through it 1652 01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:09,320 No more mistakes, no more excuses 1653 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:16,800 I'm so scared of this Will you hate me because of it? 1654 01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,800 Let me take my therapy 1655 01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:28,800 Cause all my people pleaser Going down, down, down the one-way street 1656 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,800 In the wrong direction Ditching myself for a mixed connection 1657 01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:37,800 Pleasing everyone but me 1658 01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:44,300 So if you're gonna be with me, please me, please me, please me 1659 01:50:44,300 --> 01:50:49,800 I'm not gonna ask nicely, please me, please me, please me 1660 01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:55,300 If you're gonna be with me, please me, please me, please me 1661 01:50:55,300 --> 01:51:00,800 You're probably gonna run away, it might not be so bad 1662 01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:04,380 I know how to make you stay 1663 01:51:04,411 --> 01:51:07,971 I'm not going back in the wrong direction 1664 01:51:07,971 --> 01:51:10,411 Ditching myself for a misconnection 1665 01:51:11,031 --> 01:51:15,951 If you're gonna be with me, please me, please me, please me 1666 01:51:15,951 --> 01:51:21,551 I'm not gonna ask nicely, please me, please me, please me 1667 01:51:21,551 --> 01:51:27,211 If you're gonna be with me, please me, please me, please me 1668 01:51:34,411 --> 01:51:47,931 I'm not as dense as you think I am 1669 01:51:47,931 --> 01:51:53,851 I know that you didn't know that I knew about your little plan 1670 01:51:53,851 --> 01:51:58,731 But you had to go and tell everyone about my intention 1671 01:51:58,731 --> 01:52:00,631 That you hadn't won 1672 01:52:00,631 --> 01:52:07,231 But I bet you're wondering why your cute little knife doesn't hurt my back like you thought it would. 1673 01:52:07,591 --> 01:52:12,771 Well, thankfully, you did the hard part for me, and I just think it's good. 1674 01:52:13,511 --> 01:52:19,251 You put the cheerios up for the mess you made, but I'll leave it out for all. 1675 01:52:19,551 --> 01:52:25,451 Won't say a lot, won't give you the reaction that you want. 1676 01:52:25,451 --> 01:52:27,451 See you tear your eyes off 1677 01:52:27,451 --> 01:52:32,851 You tear your eyes off 1678 01:52:32,851 --> 01:52:35,791 Cause I knew that if I did 1679 01:52:35,791 --> 01:52:39,151 Your eyes would sneak away to the corner of the room 1680 01:52:39,151 --> 01:52:45,191 Cause I knew that you weren't used to having it all given back to you 1681 01:52:45,191 --> 01:52:50,971 And though it might be something to see your face red and cry like a little boy 1682 01:52:50,971 --> 01:52:55,111 You might deserve it but it don't serve a purpose 1683 01:52:55,111 --> 01:52:58,431 And though I'm five-two, I'm still the bigger person 1684 01:52:58,431 --> 01:53:01,191 You tear yourself up for the mess you made 1685 01:53:01,191 --> 01:53:03,651 But I'll leave it out to rock 1686 01:53:03,651 --> 01:53:10,011 We'll see a lot won't give you the reaction that you want 1687 01:53:10,011 --> 01:53:12,091 I'll see you tear your arms up 1688 01:53:12,091 --> 01:53:15,371 Up, up 1689 01:53:15,371 --> 01:53:18,291 You tear your arms up 1690 01:53:18,291 --> 01:53:21,731 Up, up 1691 01:53:21,731 --> 01:53:29,191 Well honey I hope you know that I wish you well 1692 01:53:29,191 --> 01:53:35,551 Well maybe I don't but you know that I never tell 1693 01:53:35,551 --> 01:53:39,931 Cause either way you can't say you didn't handle it with grace 1694 01:53:39,931 --> 01:53:42,771 Cause at the end of the day 1695 01:53:42,771 --> 01:53:47,311 I'm not the one who put the cherry on top of the mess you made 1696 01:53:47,311 --> 01:53:49,871 But I'll leave it out to rot 1697 01:53:49,871 --> 01:53:56,231 Won't say a lie, won't give you the reaction that you want 1698 01:53:56,231 --> 01:53:59,991 You pled to tear your thoughts with a mess you made 1699 01:53:59,991 --> 01:54:02,551 But I'll leave it out to run 1700 01:54:02,551 --> 01:54:08,851 Won't say a lie, won't give you the reaction that you want 1701 01:54:08,851 --> 01:54:10,751 And you're tearing on top 1702 01:54:10,751 --> 01:54:16,531 You're tearing on top 1703 01:54:16,531 --> 01:54:22,231 It's serenosa 1704 01:54:35,731 --> 01:54:38,611 You're talking about the future 1705 01:54:38,611 --> 01:54:42,331 But what do you see? 1706 01:54:42,331 --> 01:54:48,771 Is it an ocean of color growing exponentially? 1707 01:54:51,251 --> 01:54:55,791 What keeps me up through the night time 1708 01:54:55,791 --> 01:54:59,071 Keeps me dreaming through the day 1709 01:54:59,071 --> 01:55:04,391 Is that the goddess of wisdom is only a block away 1710 01:55:04,391 --> 01:55:08,771 I wanna fly with the Jetsons 1711 01:55:08,771 --> 01:55:13,251 I wanna shoot past the stars 1712 01:55:13,251 --> 01:55:16,991 I wanna take you to a place 1713 01:55:16,991 --> 01:55:20,131 You've never been before 1714 01:55:20,131 --> 01:55:25,911 When nothing brights like purple and orange 1715 01:55:25,911 --> 01:55:28,791 You can count the coldest law 1716 01:55:28,791 --> 01:55:31,851 I wanna fight with the Jetsons 1717 01:55:31,851 --> 01:55:36,431 I wanna shoot past the stars 1718 01:55:36,431 --> 01:55:42,311 What's done is done 1719 01:55:42,311 --> 01:55:48,891 Oh, we'll live and die by the number 21 1720 01:55:48,891 --> 01:55:59,211 Where energy is flowing through machines that are all known 1721 01:55:59,211 --> 01:56:04,831 And the lightning outshines the sun 1722 01:56:04,831 --> 01:56:09,171 I wanna fly with the Jetsons 1723 01:56:09,171 --> 01:56:13,091 Wanna shoot past the stars 1724 01:56:13,091 --> 01:56:16,931 Wanna take you to a place 1725 01:56:16,931 --> 01:56:20,691 You've never been before 1726 01:56:20,691 --> 01:56:25,851 When nothing rhymes like purple and orange 1727 01:56:25,851 --> 01:56:28,751 You can count the call as law 1728 01:56:28,751 --> 01:56:32,071 I wanna fly with the Jetsons 1729 01:56:32,071 --> 01:56:36,771 Wanna shoot past the stars 1730 01:56:36,771 --> 01:56:42,771 With you 1731 01:56:42,771 --> 01:57:03,408 With you Twelve words in my head Will be valuable and said A phrase in my mind 1732 01:57:03,408 --> 01:57:06,268 To better all mankind 1733 01:57:06,268 --> 01:57:09,748 I wanna fly with the Jetsons 1734 01:57:09,748 --> 01:57:12,788 I wanna shoot past the stars 1735 01:57:12,788 --> 01:57:16,788 I wanna take you to a place 1736 01:57:16,788 --> 01:57:19,348 You've never been before 1737 01:57:19,348 --> 01:57:25,888 Nothing rhymes like purple and orange 1738 01:57:25,888 --> 01:57:28,748 You can count the colors law 1739 01:57:28,748 --> 01:57:32,048 I wanna fly with the Jetsons 1740 01:57:32,048 --> 01:57:36,628 Wanna shoot past the stars 1741 01:57:36,628 --> 01:57:38,588 With you 1742 01:57:38,588 --> 01:57:45,688 With you 1743 01:57:49,348 --> 01:57:54,568 With you 1744 01:57:54,568 --> 01:58:02,988 I wanna fly with the Jetsons 1745 01:58:19,348 --> 01:58:28,328 I guess I want you, but I don't need you to take me home tonight. 1746 01:58:30,508 --> 01:58:36,228 Well, you look beautiful through all this alcohol. 1747 01:58:37,028 --> 01:58:39,328 I don't know if I'm thinking right. 1748 01:58:39,328 --> 01:58:51,608 I'm feeling lonely and I need somebody to make me feel alive 1749 01:58:51,608 --> 01:59:02,668 But I guess I want you but I don't need you to take me home tonight 1750 01:59:02,668 --> 01:59:10,648 All this drinking has got me thinking 1751 01:59:10,648 --> 01:59:14,308 What if we went back together 1752 01:59:14,308 --> 01:59:22,608 Where we run out of things to talk about 1753 01:59:22,608 --> 01:59:26,128 We can make our own little piece of heaven 1754 01:59:26,128 --> 01:59:30,308 And I'm feeling lonely 1755 01:59:30,308 --> 01:59:33,848 And I need somebody to 1756 01:59:33,848 --> 01:59:37,848 Make me feel alive 1757 01:59:37,848 --> 01:59:42,468 Well, I guess I want you 1758 01:59:42,468 --> 01:59:45,908 But I don't need you 1759 01:59:45,908 --> 01:59:49,368 To take me home tonight 1760 01:59:49,368 --> 02:00:11,888 It ain't like me to take love easily 1761 02:00:11,888 --> 02:00:15,848 And abuse a heart this way 1762 02:00:15,848 --> 02:00:20,508 She tore me down from here 1763 02:00:20,508 --> 02:00:23,328 And I'll get out of here 1764 02:00:23,328 --> 02:00:27,268 Cause my bad desires led me astray 1765 02:00:27,268 --> 02:00:31,948 But I'm feeling lonely 1766 02:00:31,948 --> 02:00:35,308 And I need somebody to 1767 02:00:35,308 --> 02:00:39,328 Help me feel a little more alive 1768 02:00:39,328 --> 02:00:43,888 But I guess I want you 1769 02:00:43,888 --> 02:00:47,168 But I don't need to 1770 02:00:47,168 --> 02:00:50,768 To take me home tonight 1771 02:00:50,768 --> 02:00:55,568 I guess I want you 1772 02:00:55,568 --> 02:00:58,848 But I don't need you 1773 02:00:58,848 --> 02:01:03,368 To take me home tonight 1774 02:01:03,368 --> 02:01:06,108 Take me home 1775 02:01:06,108 --> 02:01:07,708 Home tonight 1776 02:01:13,888 --> 02:01:32,448 Empty bottles on my floor 1777 02:01:32,448 --> 02:01:38,648 A number written on my hand 1778 02:01:38,648 --> 02:01:44,748 I don't know who the number's for 1779 02:01:44,748 --> 02:01:51,408 And I won't try to pretend 1780 02:01:51,408 --> 02:01:57,288 Cause I'm so heavy from that high gravity 1781 02:01:57,288 --> 02:02:03,388 I don't know why I do the things that I do 1782 02:02:03,388 --> 02:02:07,868 It's like I'm good to the big 1783 02:02:07,868 --> 02:02:11,108 Hearing voices in my head 1784 02:02:11,108 --> 02:02:13,688 That say it's always one 1785 02:02:13,688 --> 02:02:16,628 Too many frowns 1786 02:02:16,628 --> 02:02:22,208 Now that high gravity 1787 02:02:22,208 --> 02:02:24,988 Keeps holding me down 1788 02:02:24,988 --> 02:02:34,988 The broken sunlight through the blinds 1789 02:02:35,988 --> 02:02:51,385 When did night turn into day Memories like shattered pieces in my mind I could put them back together 1790 02:02:51,385 --> 02:02:54,305 But it won't matter anyway 1791 02:02:54,305 --> 02:02:59,605 I'm so heavy from that high gravity 1792 02:02:59,605 --> 02:03:06,305 I don't know why I do the things that I do to me 1793 02:03:06,305 --> 02:03:10,205 It's like I'm glued to the bed 1794 02:03:10,205 --> 02:03:13,445 Hearing voices in my head 1795 02:03:13,445 --> 02:03:18,745 That say it's always one too many rounds 1796 02:03:18,745 --> 02:03:27,765 Now that high gravity keeps holding me down 1797 02:03:27,765 --> 02:03:33,825 Oh, it keeps holding me down 1798 02:03:36,305 --> 02:03:43,545 I need to get back on my feet 1799 02:03:43,545 --> 02:03:49,425 I know I will but I don't know when 1800 02:03:49,425 --> 02:03:55,445 It feels like every other week 1801 02:03:57,585 --> 02:04:02,445 I need to learn to walk again 1802 02:04:02,445 --> 02:04:08,205 Cause I'm so heavy from that high gravity 1803 02:04:08,205 --> 02:04:14,905 I don't know why I do the things that I do to me 1804 02:04:14,905 --> 02:04:18,765 It's like I'm new to the day 1805 02:04:18,765 --> 02:04:22,065 Hearing voices in my head 1806 02:04:22,065 --> 02:04:27,325 That say it's always won too many rounds 1807 02:04:27,325 --> 02:04:31,985 And now that high 1808 02:04:31,985 --> 02:04:36,425 Gravity keeps holding me down 1809 02:04:36,425 --> 02:04:42,205 Oh, it keeps holding me down 1810 02:04:42,205 --> 02:04:48,685 Oh, it keeps holding me down 1811 02:04:48,685 --> 02:04:55,805 It keeps holding me down 1812 02:04:57,325 --> 02:05:03,005 Welcome. You have now arrived in Kampala, Uganda. 1813 02:05:05,045 --> 02:05:11,265 The city of Seven Hills, the pearl of Africa, and the home of Gorilla Sats. 1814 02:05:11,265 --> 02:05:17,045 Yo, I'm a Saskabella. I'm a Saskabella. I'm a Saskabella. 1815 02:05:17,285 --> 02:05:22,305 I'm a Saskabella. I'm a Saskabella. I'm a Saskabella. 1816 02:05:22,525 --> 02:05:25,765 Yo, I'm a Saskabella. I'm a Saskabella. 1817 02:05:25,765 --> 02:05:29,325 They didn't see me coming, kicking the door and they start running 1818 02:05:29,325 --> 02:05:32,825 One masasquerilla, one masasquerilla 1819 02:05:32,825 --> 02:05:36,225 When I'm big and stacked, mean face and a silver back 1820 02:05:36,225 --> 02:05:39,765 One wallet can't handle that, no bro that's too big to zap 1821 02:05:39,765 --> 02:05:43,305 When I'm in Bukoto, when I'm in Kololo 1822 02:05:43,305 --> 02:05:46,905 When I'm in Kampala, you already know bro 1823 02:05:46,905 --> 02:05:50,185 I'm looking for the dilla, one masasquerilla 1824 02:05:50,185 --> 02:05:53,705 I'm looking for the dilla, one masasquerilla 1825 02:05:53,705 --> 02:05:57,545 I have to make myself clear, ain't no monkey business here 1826 02:05:57,545 --> 02:06:01,105 Ain't no E, ain't no ADA, only King Kong here 1827 02:06:01,105 --> 02:06:04,645 Yeah, Bitcoin only, yeah 1828 02:06:04,645 --> 02:06:07,665 I'm a graduate of Satoshi 1829 02:06:07,665 --> 02:06:11,105 B-T-Z-F-A-X-I, lasers coming from my eyes 1830 02:06:11,105 --> 02:06:14,625 Keep that funny money, bro, fear of money is a lie 1831 02:06:14,625 --> 02:06:18,025 I'm looking for the dealer, Guamacarilla 1832 02:06:18,025 --> 02:06:21,505 I'm looking for the dealer, Guamacarilla 1833 02:06:21,505 --> 02:06:25,505 Stacking monthly, stacking weekly, stacking daily, stacking crazy 1834 02:06:25,505 --> 02:06:29,105 I'm so laser focused, price action, don't faze me 1835 02:06:29,105 --> 02:06:32,305 Get my stack up, I gotta get my stack up 1836 02:06:32,305 --> 02:06:35,365 Whenever Bitcoin hits my wallet, beat my chest and say 1837 02:06:35,365 --> 02:06:38,865 I'm a Saskarilla, I'm a Saskarilla 1838 02:06:38,865 --> 02:06:42,385 I'm a Saskarilla, I'm a Saskarilla 1839 02:06:42,385 --> 02:06:46,385 You can't show me man, all my life I've been using shillings 1840 02:06:46,385 --> 02:06:49,865 DCA to BTC, the Bitcoin standards, how we living 1841 02:06:49,865 --> 02:07:19,845 Gorilla Sats 1842 02:07:19,865 --> 02:07:24,065 There's two ways this can go Be the one who has, or be the ones who don't 1843 02:07:24,065 --> 02:07:28,225 Yeah, my like quacks 1844 02:07:28,225 --> 02:07:36,045 What up king, do your thing 1845 02:07:36,045 --> 02:07:37,685 Hold it down, do your thing 1846 02:07:37,685 --> 02:07:39,985 What up king, what up king, what up king 1847 02:07:39,985 --> 02:07:42,565 What up king, what up king 1848 02:07:42,565 --> 02:07:44,725 What up king, what up king 1849 02:07:44,725 --> 02:07:46,405 What up king, what up king 1850 02:07:46,405 --> 02:07:48,785 What up king, what up king 1851 02:07:48,785 --> 02:07:50,465 Things are starting to take shape 1852 02:07:50,465 --> 02:07:52,185 I used to wait on them 1853 02:07:52,185 --> 02:07:53,625 And now they gotta wait 1854 02:07:53,625 --> 02:07:56,805 Heavy is the crown, I got used to the weight 1855 02:07:56,805 --> 02:07:59,965 And it took how long it took, best believe it was worth the wait 1856 02:07:59,965 --> 02:08:03,185 Took risks, made mistakes, I know God is never late 1857 02:08:03,185 --> 02:08:06,225 And in this game of thrones, people manipulate 1858 02:08:06,225 --> 02:08:09,465 See me on my grind, everyday, everyday 1859 02:08:09,465 --> 02:08:12,745 Be the king of your thing and let your proof of work see 1860 02:08:12,745 --> 02:08:15,745 Just been busy bro, I'm the antisocial 1861 02:08:15,745 --> 02:08:18,845 I've been stacking sass and adding to my total 1862 02:08:18,845 --> 02:08:22,105 You know we started local and now we going global 1863 02:08:22,105 --> 02:08:24,005 We outside, we outside 1864 02:08:24,005 --> 02:08:25,845 Twisting cities like I told you, man 1865 02:08:25,845 --> 02:08:27,145 We built for this, my guy 1866 02:08:27,145 --> 02:08:28,785 Fill more times and they will try 1867 02:08:28,785 --> 02:08:40,122 Yeah I just executed on the dream I had inside Put my pride to the side Another slice of humble pie Yeah we walking now we talking Lord knows it not a lie I not trying to convince you 1868 02:08:40,202 --> 02:08:46,482 man, I know that I'm the guy. Off with his head, money is a lie. Yeah, Bitcoin is money, 1869 02:08:46,602 --> 02:08:50,342 and Satoshi made a way. I see my Bitcoin only, homies, I'ma say. 1870 02:09:00,122 --> 02:09:00,742 What up, King? 1871 02:09:00,922 --> 02:09:01,542 What up, King? 1872 02:09:01,742 --> 02:09:02,362 What up, King? 1873 02:09:02,522 --> 02:09:03,142 What up, King? 1874 02:09:03,322 --> 02:09:03,602 What up, King? 1875 02:09:03,942 --> 02:09:07,182 Never bite a hand that feeds you, gotta do your research. 1876 02:09:07,362 --> 02:09:10,362 If they say it can't be done, I'm getting paid to make it work. 1877 02:09:10,582 --> 02:09:13,502 Yo, put me on speaker, I want everyone to hear. 1878 02:09:13,742 --> 02:09:16,682 Yo, fear of man's a snare, and it's only got a fear. 1879 02:09:16,882 --> 02:09:19,942 Yeah, this is my year, I'm making music peer to peer. 1880 02:09:20,182 --> 02:09:23,122 Yo, 2026, I got my whole crew up in here. 1881 02:09:23,522 --> 02:09:26,322 Everybody got a plate, I gave you all that clean slate. 1882 02:09:26,322 --> 02:09:29,542 If you mess up, that's on you, I change the locks on the gate. 1883 02:09:29,542 --> 02:09:32,762 We ain't here for nothing on the path to be great 1884 02:09:32,762 --> 02:09:35,162 See my Bitcoin Only Homies, I'ma say 1885 02:09:35,162 --> 02:09:35,942 What up King? 1886 02:09:36,122 --> 02:09:37,582 Do your thing, do your thing 1887 02:09:37,582 --> 02:09:40,042 Hold it down, do your thing, do your thing 1888 02:09:40,042 --> 02:09:41,602 Do your thing, do your thing 1889 02:09:41,602 --> 02:09:42,322 What up King? 1890 02:09:42,342 --> 02:09:43,182 What up King? 1891 02:09:43,362 --> 02:09:43,942 What up King? 1892 02:09:44,082 --> 02:09:44,742 What up King? 1893 02:09:44,922 --> 02:09:45,542 What up King? 1894 02:09:45,622 --> 02:09:46,382 What up King? 1895 02:09:46,562 --> 02:09:47,162 What up King? 1896 02:09:47,322 --> 02:09:47,982 What up King? 1897 02:09:48,162 --> 02:09:48,362 Yeah 1898 02:09:48,362 --> 02:09:50,922 Bitcoin Only Homie 1899 02:09:50,922 --> 02:09:52,522 Got Bitcoin Only Homie 1900 02:09:52,622 --> 02:09:55,742 I'm just making music for my Bitcoin Only Homie 1901 02:09:55,742 --> 02:09:57,322 He's Bitcoin Only Homie 1902 02:09:57,322 --> 02:09:58,962 Got Bitcoin Only Homie 1903 02:09:58,962 --> 02:10:01,762 I'm just making music for my big own only 1904 02:10:01,762 --> 02:10:05,602 My life, my life quakes 1905 02:10:05,602 --> 02:10:18,242 I gotta make it man, I gotta make it 1906 02:10:18,242 --> 02:10:20,402 I wanna wake up in the morning 1907 02:10:20,402 --> 02:10:22,442 In Barbados 1908 02:10:22,442 --> 02:10:25,002 In Bahamas 1909 02:10:25,002 --> 02:10:27,762 Somewhere far away from everybody, you feel me? 1910 02:10:27,762 --> 02:10:28,402 Yeah 1911 02:10:28,402 --> 02:10:32,342 Shout out to the plebs and the 9-to-5ers 1912 02:10:32,342 --> 02:10:35,722 Shout out to the devs and the fearminers 1913 02:10:35,722 --> 02:10:40,402 We gon' make it, we gon' make it, we gon' make it 1914 02:10:40,402 --> 02:10:46,122 Shout out to the noobs and the first-timers 1915 02:10:46,122 --> 02:10:49,522 Shout out to the vets and the relay riders 1916 02:10:49,522 --> 02:10:54,362 We gon' make it, we gon' make it, we gon' make it 1917 02:10:54,362 --> 02:10:55,862 We gon' make it 1918 02:10:55,862 --> 02:10:59,182 Chuck the lemons, life gave me then I made some lemonade 1919 02:10:59,182 --> 02:11:02,922 Shared the thoughts over these beasts and found my way up out the maze 1920 02:11:02,922 --> 02:11:06,082 And every single season I just keep plugging away 1921 02:11:06,082 --> 02:11:09,762 And I kept all the receipts cause consistency pays 1922 02:11:09,762 --> 02:11:13,022 I got people tryna take me out, tryna bring me down 1923 02:11:13,022 --> 02:11:16,482 But it's pointless Anakin because I got the higher ground 1924 02:11:16,482 --> 02:11:19,902 I saw Fredo go fishing but he never came back 1925 02:11:19,902 --> 02:11:23,322 Nowadays I keep my circle smaller than a bottle cap 1926 02:11:23,322 --> 02:11:51,902 I'm a sat stacking, wave laking, relay rider, flip dad, NTZ, I'm the non-KYC, self-provider, found my purpose given out, and I ain't slowing down, I keep my eyes on the prize and an ear to the ground, I'm on route, heaven bound, and I'm still finding my sound, and I'm still making mistakes, but way less frequent now, I see monkeys trying to swim, fish trying to climb trees, it's time to know yourself and what you were destined to be, 1927 02:11:51,902 --> 02:11:54,522 Minimums not my portion, need that max like Tatum 1928 02:11:54,522 --> 02:11:57,982 And they see me out here ballin', not the same as how I came in 1929 02:11:57,982 --> 02:12:01,302 I just keep on droppin' verses and I'm reppin' V for V 1930 02:12:01,302 --> 02:12:04,762 Get my sats on the hour, they surpass my royalties 1931 02:12:04,762 --> 02:12:07,382 Store my wealth in code, keep my sats cold 1932 02:12:07,382 --> 02:12:11,002 Yeah, I keep my sats, yo, yeah, I keep my sats cold 1933 02:12:11,002 --> 02:12:12,602 Yeah, I keep my sats cold 1934 02:12:12,602 --> 02:12:16,182 Man, you know how it goes, man, you know how it goes 1935 02:12:16,182 --> 02:12:19,902 Man like ooh, man like craves, yo, you know how it goes, man 1936 02:12:19,902 --> 02:12:22,842 Shout out to the plebs and the 9 to 5'ers 1937 02:12:22,842 --> 02:12:26,242 Shout out to the devs and the fearminers 1938 02:12:26,242 --> 02:12:30,922 We gon' make it, we gon' make it, we gon' make it 1939 02:12:30,922 --> 02:12:36,622 Shout out to the noobs and the first-timers 1940 02:12:36,622 --> 02:12:39,982 Shout out to the vets and the relay riders 1941 02:12:39,982 --> 02:12:44,742 We gon' make it, we gon' make it, we gon' make it 1942 02:12:44,742 --> 02:12:47,982 We gon' make it, yeah, can't stop me 1943 02:12:47,982 --> 02:12:49,782 I be ballin' everyday 1944 02:12:49,782 --> 02:12:53,222 Call me, call me, I can't miss a lay 1945 02:12:53,222 --> 02:12:56,682 Get the best right now, do my dance right now 1946 02:12:56,682 --> 02:13:00,122 Get my best right now, pay the bills to stay right now 1947 02:13:00,122 --> 02:13:02,182 Look, God is just to pay the bills 1948 02:13:02,182 --> 02:13:03,922 I pay to God, it stays like that 1949 02:13:03,922 --> 02:13:05,582 I can't care about how you feel 1950 02:13:05,582 --> 02:13:07,402 My mind is just on getting stats 1951 02:13:07,402 --> 02:13:08,662 Can't afford to be distracted 1952 02:13:08,662 --> 02:13:10,502 Be fed in my craft, so I gotta go practice 1953 02:13:10,502 --> 02:13:12,202 I'm not a rubber ball, I am my arches 1954 02:13:12,202 --> 02:13:13,842 In order to make it, I gotta be nonsense 1955 02:13:13,842 --> 02:13:15,202 Trust me, I do this for real 1956 02:13:15,202 --> 02:13:16,862 I set my soul for the devil's new deal 1957 02:13:16,862 --> 02:13:18,642 For the music, man, I stay dedicated 1958 02:13:18,642 --> 02:13:20,362 I'm the greatest, there's no point of debating 1959 02:13:20,362 --> 02:13:22,142 Innovative with the flaws I be making 1960 02:13:22,142 --> 02:13:23,802 Hated first, then it's still my new cadence 1961 02:13:23,802 --> 02:13:25,502 I don't get why, why these people be hating 1962 02:13:25,502 --> 02:13:27,282 I just be your turn and go pray for repentance 1963 02:13:27,282 --> 02:13:29,042 But I didn't get the diameter, tell her 1964 02:13:29,042 --> 02:13:30,742 Once I step in, I'll be chasing the weather 1965 02:13:30,742 --> 02:13:32,362 Testing me, trying to push me to the limit 1966 02:13:32,362 --> 02:13:34,382 It's funny how they believe they really getting me 1967 02:13:34,382 --> 02:13:36,322 Look, running in cracks in the booth 1968 02:13:36,322 --> 02:13:38,462 You losing a tooth, you people asking some groove 1969 02:13:38,462 --> 02:13:39,722 Better watch what you gon' say 1970 02:13:39,722 --> 02:13:42,082 When I catch a case and nobody missing your face 1971 02:13:42,082 --> 02:13:44,082 Yo, yo, yo 1972 02:13:44,082 --> 02:13:46,222 Look, yeah, ay 1973 02:13:46,222 --> 02:13:49,062 We gonna make it, no, we gonna make it 1974 02:13:49,062 --> 02:13:51,922 Can't stop me, ballin' every day 1975 02:13:51,922 --> 02:13:54,542 Call me Kobe, I can't miss a lane 1976 02:13:54,542 --> 02:13:55,762 That's all I got, hey 1977 02:13:55,762 --> 02:13:57,462 Pay the bills, got the skills 1978 02:13:57,462 --> 02:13:59,182 Pull out with the mistake 1979 02:13:59,182 --> 02:14:02,442 And I aim it at you, and I aim it at you 1980 02:14:02,442 --> 02:14:05,382 Quicker, this is just a freestyle 1981 02:14:05,382 --> 02:14:07,082 I know I'll be screamin', but trust me 1982 02:14:07,082 --> 02:14:09,102 I'm gonna make it clean, don't even worry about it 1983 02:14:09,102 --> 02:14:09,542 Yeah 1984 02:14:09,542 --> 02:14:20,782 I'm a Relay Rider