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Have I died a hundred times
On my way to find my first best friend
I bet you can
Live through the flood
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Zither Harp
somehow the truth's allowed to keep her heart to break her vow
I do Detox is back with, I think, the ultimate Detox guest right here.
Ivy Lumi, you probably should know who she is,
but if not, you've come to the right place.
It's great to have you on, Ivy.
you've got a lot going on
but I want to concentrate on your music
first of all
and the message of the music
and kind of how you got into
I don't want to give it a name
we've been calling it on Radio Detox
The Valueverse or V4V
we've been calling it this
for like a year and a half
and I don't know if it's the best terminology
but I'm going to leave this up to
the musicians like yourself
and you have this great new EP
coming out. You've got a fund going on Geyser, and I support it today. So I'm excited about that
because I get a Noster badge for it. So I'm just super excited to talk to another woman in Bitcoin
who loves Noster, who loves music and marketing and all the same things that I do. So I'm just
geeked out to talk to you today, Ivy. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really looking forward
to this always down to talk about music and love this is awesome okay so should we just like get
into what you've got going on you've got probably one of the coolest bitcoin kind of music videos
like well it's not a bitcoin centered music video but i love the music video for wow wow wow uh can
you tell me how you made this video is just it is so creative yeah for sure um yeah thank you so
for tuning in and I'm so glad you like it
Wow Wow Wow
is a single that I released
in December 2025
so it's only been a few months
and then the music video
has been Ivy Lumi's
first ever music video
we actually shot the music video
in Hong Kong after
Bitcoin Asia last year that I was
leading the production
of so that was a little bit of break
after the big conference and we were
wondering around Hong Kong
and taking some footages
we already knew that
I will be releasing
WOWWOW in the next few months
so we wanted to make
something that's authentic
with the traditional style
of lip-sync music video
but at the same time
we have so many
really great artists
in Bitcoin
so I've been
forWOWWOW the music video
I collaborated with
creative director
FZERO and Zaza Wawa
both big winners
to help me co-create
this dream world
they're both really cool visualists
and then we did the storyboards together
and then we did the transitions together
and all of these coming
together to reflect
the world where
reality and the dream world blurs
on the love standard basically
I love that
I love the video, I love the music, I love the message
love is the cure
and you know you love love so i do too i mean what woman doesn't love love this is why we're here is
to choose love over fear that that's my philosophy anyway it's always love is greater power than fear
and and so is bitcoin you know it just kind of ties in you know bitcoin is is hope it's love
it's everything but fear it is it's the opposite of the nihilism we see in the world today is
how much does bitcoin itself like the philosophy of bitcoin how much does that influence your music
I would say it inspired me to ask a lot of questions
I started working in Bitcoin very luckily
about five more than five years ago
so it's been five years time flies
I got into the Bitcoin industry on a whim
without industry knowledge I wasn't a Bitcoiner
it was back during a time where you could still get a Bitcoin job
without being a Bitcoiner
so I got lucky there
then I quickly became Orange Pill
maybe like it took me three to six months to really have that pivotal moment and realize wow
bitcoin it's not just about money because personally i i did i never liked math growing up
i was bad at numbers i don't like to think about money yeah like it caused me a lot of stress right
just like a lot of other women out there and for the longest time i just like everybody else i've
heard of bitcoin because at this point you you must have you must have been um here or there
but I never really thought that it has something to do with me
and it's just very separate worlds we're living in
because it's not like tomorrow I'm going to quit my job to build a rocket
because that's not my arena
like that's not my specialty or that's not my interest
so I thought Bitcoin was just one of these things
that they exist and they have their community and great for them
but it's not something that I could personally relate to
or it's not something that I could take use of
but that was very wrong
and I really sensed this sense of responsibility
because I feel like, wow, I got so lucky
to have stumbled upon Bitcoin the way I did
while I wasn't into technology or finance or whatever
and I'm sure there's so many people just like me
there's so many people that are just like me
they don't really care about
or they're not necessarily tech savvy or finance savvy
but they would be freedom maximalists just like I am
they would be into love and freedom
and want to better ourselves
and become the best version of ourselves
just like a lot of us
and these people already intrinsically have a lot of ESOs
or is very aligned with Bitcoin ESOs already
so I was thinking how can we encourage the next adoption curve
for the community
how can we bring more people onto the bitcoin standard and my personal answer to come for that
and for that question is not more bitcoin content not necessarily more bitcoin content because we
already so had so many so had so many and before i started doing music i have a bitcoin podcast
which i still do to date yeah talking about the lifestyle aspect of bitcoin which i i realized
but then on top of that I started to realize what what what next because even Bitcoiners there
we're struggling because there's so much trauma and sadness in us and if you're early enough to
have realized what Bitcoin is and have participated in that standard then I can only imagine there's
even more grief there's even more anger maybe even more trauma because that's how you found
Bitcoin in the first place
and I see in our world
everything is so chaotic
everybody is upset
and there's so much
anger and frustration
and you can see just merely walking on the street
and there gotta be a better way
to do it
and I don't
I'm a very sensitive person
and I remember myself
growing up feeling depressed
if I watch news on TV
and I feel like
我 realized that I want to be surrounding myself with positivity
with art and love instead of negativity, speculation
or arbitrary whatever.
So it has been a very long journey of me not tuning into these.
And the past couple of years, the past few years,
I started writing songs end of 2023
after having a random conversation at a Bitcoin conference
they told me that I should start writing things down
so I did
and then music found me in that process
because I like to sing
and things where you have random conversations
that lead you to this path
and I was genuinely looking for a way to express myself
I was looking for love for myself
being at the right age
and being a Bitcoiner wanting to be low-time preference
that was the natural next step
but I was at the same time
I was suffering
I was asking questions
I was not yet sure who I was
or what I wanted
while I was on the journey
of looking for love
so as you could kind of anticipate
there's a lot of moving parts
there's a lot of chaos going on
in that process
and the songs and the emotions
and the melodies
kind of crystallized in that process
so a few years of songwriting
in this bitcoin space and a few years of looking for love we love the music have you found the love
yet oh i have found i have found love in that process and i think it's uh the ultimate love um
it's what we the kind it's the kindness we sometimes extend to ourselves and this was
almost one of the biggest lessons i learned in this journey is that we need to really
begin from loving ourselves
respecting ourselves
before we move on to loving others
and sometimes we
because if we love others
with the portion
or with the energy
that we're supposed to love ourselves
it can work
but it's not sustainable
because you're loving someone at a deficit
and it should be
what I've learned in this process
it's better to have
so much self-love
that's not egotistic
it's not being narcissistic about it
although it could be appearing
sometimes narcissistic
right yes
but it's not a narcissistic thing
self-love
if we have so much of self-love
and the self-love is overflowing
then we can love others
and love the world
with the overflowing portion
of the love
and spreading that love
and healing energy
and this is what
I really hope to do
as an artist and this is why i'm really trying to push the message of love love is the cure
in my artistry because that's really what i've realized and in the quest of looking for love and
i've realized that's really the cure surprise surprise and i wish that i my voice and my story
and my documentation in that process can help people ask the right type of questions or it can
help them with their self-reflection to help them get over terrible heartbreaks or finally take the
leap of faith to find the people that they love um so that's uh my essence of um the love is the
cure hey that's everything right there if you can love yourself in such a kind of like a wealthy way
like bitcoin is self-love like once you find bitcoin but you find what it's about it's not
just about like opening some kind of financial product account on your phone and saving in
when you realize that Bitcoin is about so much more
and it's about that low time preference
and for me it's about teaching my niece and nephew about Bitcoin
when they're ready
they're about 21, 23 right now
and so I'm waiting for the day when they really grasp
that it's a good thing
and that it's about long-term planning
and planning for your future
and planning for your family
and hopefully they'll want to have kids
and I'll be a great aunt.
And that's all too, in the end,
it creates more love in your life.
I mean, it creates more love in your life every day,
but it creates more love, more family.
It brings more people into our lives.
And when the kids have kids, I'm going to be so stoked.
But then there will be like so much more love in the world.
And hopefully my values will somehow trickle down
to my niece and nephew.
And when they get married and have kids
and get their own place to live
because they're still living with mom
hopefully it'll be
you know
we are creating more love in the world
with bitcoin
because I think part of thatis your values do changeand you do start to thinkfor the long termand you do start to think for the long term and you do start to think, okay, like Bitcoin number go up. That's great. But I would like to, you know, use this money in a way
that sustains rather than depletes. You know, I want to plan for a long term happy life where I do
love myself and I'm not a slave to a financial system. Like there's so many layers here. Like
I think what you just said is probably everything.
Love is the cure.
And Bitcoin and love are kind of the same frequency to me.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I was just thinking about this earlier today over my coffee this morning.
And I thought to myself, when we are trying to better ourselves and becoming this person that we're meant to become, the awareness and then the perspective, it's so interesting.
Because in love, like as a girl where you grow up with all these romantic dreams, fantasies that you have, regardless of if you're a guy or a girl, right?
And how do we know what's good for us?
And it's the same thing with Bitcoin.
Like how do we know what kind of money do we need?
It's the same thing.
And if we think about what are we looking for in the sound money or what are we looking for in love?
Like it's actually not that different.
And they're very similar in the sense that the fact that you have money doesn't make you understand money.
And then in love is that the fact that you can spell love doesn't teach you how to love.
So there's always this discrepancy, a rabbit hole going on.
And this is what makes it really, really interesting.
So coming back to the point of how do we even know what's good for us?
Because in love, we can say today I think love is someone that we go rush in the rain and then we all get wet and then we're happy about it like kids, right?
But then you get sick for a week.
Like, is that good?
Or do you go for someone who bring your umbrella, who give you warm soup and take care of you?
Like we need to know what is that thing that we want, both in society, in the money realm or in love.
So it's really go hand in hand together.
Yeah.
Like I want to find someone who shares my values.
I've had this conversation with another girlfriend in Bitcoin where we're dating, right?
We're looking for that person.
And my friend is still like, I really want to date a man who's in Bitcoin, a man who understands Bitcoin, who has gone all in on Bitcoin.
and therefore understands all of the principles, all the ethos,
everything from low time preference to let's stay in and stack sats
and just all of the different things that kind of become Bitcoiner things
and the way you spend your life,
which is I think the opposite of the mainstream kind of average lifestyle of
I work my job, I complain about it, I go home,
I eat something horrible and watch Netflix.
I think that's kind of our Bitcoiner point of view
of how we think everybody else is
because we were those people at one point.
And so I said to my girlfriend, I said,
you know, I don't know that I need to date a Bitcoin man
because I think in the end,
we're all going to be Bitcoiners, right?
Like, maybe not the end, I guess that's,
at some point we're going to hit hyper Bitcoinization
and we're all going to be Bitcoiners.
And probably anybody I date at some level
is going to be a Bitcoiner or maybe a pre-coiner
or maybe somebody who's open to being orange-pilled
or somebody who's like, hey, explain to me how your life works.
You've got a Bitcoin podcast or three or four of them.
And you've got like you work in Bitcoin and you save in Bitcoin and you sound like a crazy person.
You know, hopefully I don't still sound like a crazy person.
Hopefully I don't still sound like a zealot to the uninitiated.
But I kind of imagine that we're going to get to a point any day now, any year now,
where anybody I date is probably more than likely a Bitcoiner or at least close to it,
at least open to it. Does that make sense to you? Like, would you have to, if you're single,
you don't have to say if you are, do you have to date somebody who is a Bitcoiner or can we leave
it to nuance and be kind of open to dating people knowing that at some point everyone's going to
become a Bitcoiner? At least that's what I think anyway. Right. Well, first, I'm not sure if
everybody's become, is going to become a Bitcoiner. Like that's, that's the first thing. And if you
think about how early we are in Bitcoin and how internet was back then in 1996 or something like
back then you had internet conferences you had these people geeks coming together to talk about
this and really really looking forward to the future just like today Bitcoiners get together
to Bitcoin conferences and and today like many of us almost all of us in societies or majority of
the postmodern individuals are online to a certain degree.
But can we say that we're fundamentally into internet?
Can we say that we stand by the easels
that the internet represents back then,
like which I don't even know what those are now.
Like I wouldn't say that I'm an internet-er.
Like I wouldn't say that while I use net
to the extent that I do, right?
And I feel like in the future,
We will have people who actively use Bitcoin every single day without knowing there's Bitcoin in it.
Like now we see Nostar and maybe people, everybody knew people joined Nostar and they may not know at first, oh, what is zap?
And that's Bitcoin. And maybe they're zapping each other without what's really going on there.
And I don't really necessarily call these people Bitcoiners because I do feel like there's this spiritual or mentality threshold for Bitcoiners to cross to qualify as one, at least for everybody's definition, right?
Like they can have different definitions where they get to cross that threshold and become a Bitcoiner.
and so that's the first thing and this is why i oftentimes leave it to nuances because we are so
we're complicated beings and bitcoiners are very different and when i first um when i was maybe
earlier on in this space when i first realized how amazing bitcoin was and first started to meet
bitcoiners i was like wow everybody like bitcoiners are so much better than average like the man in
Bitcoin space are much, much better than the average at a random place, which I still stand
by this argument. It's really true. But at the same time, it doesn't mean that everybody in Bitcoin
is going to be my Prince Charming. It's just not going to happen because they're humans. They're
coming from different backgrounds. They have different family history, personality, experience.
And this is even more so in Bitcoin because everybody is really diverse, really coming from
different place. And that's even more place for nuance. And I'm the type of person who
love to experience and explore people's universe. I love the fact that people are layered beings.
We have different sides of us. And I'm really willing to take the time to explore if I'm
intrigued enough. And if you only have one side, which is a big winner, and you evolve your own
identity around that and you really, really identify with that. And for me, that's a flag
too. Yeah. Like Bitcoin cannot be your entire personality. I know it is for a lot of people
in this space, but I think we are, we came to Bitcoin through multifaceted ways and we stay,
I think, for multifaceted ways. I think Bitcoin is one of those things in life. Like to me,
Bitcoin is on par with yoga, like Bitcoin and yoga and music too. These are things that things I love
that I'm probably not going to get tired of.
I'm not going to get tired of learning about Bitcoin
and like practicing Bitcoin
the same way as I'm not going to get tired
of learning and practicing yoga.
And I'm not going to get tired of music ever.
I'm not going to just listen to the same songs
for the rest of my life.
I'm going to keep exploring new music,
new genres, new artists.
I'm not going to get tired of those kinds of things.
And yeah, there's going to be downturns, right?
There's going to be times
where maybe I get into a music rut
or a yoga rut or Bitcoin is in a bear market or whatever,
but I'm not going to quit because of it.
I'm going to keep pursuing it.
These have become passions,
but they're not my whole personality.
I do other things too.
I'm sure you do as well.
You do other things besides Bitcoin if you wanted to share.
Yeah, so I would say music is the biggest part
where I'm spending increasingly more of my time
reflecting on it, trying to be better technically
because I came from a really non-technical at all,
just hearing melodies in my head, trying to write it down before I forget it type of approach.
And now that I'm, I'm, I really believe in my vision and I want to help the community,
big winner or not, because everybody is traumatized.
It's not like I'm only trying to help big winners.
That's not true.
So music is one of the biggest kind of arenas why where I'm exploring right now to write about love,
sing about love to four bitcoiners and beyond and i say this to myself like you if you hear
um beyonce's songs her her style is very much you don't deserve my tears like this this vibe like
very boss lady and very empowering and you don't deserve my tear but i i feel like ivy loomi is
kind of taking on a different approach it's where she's saying i cry for you i think it has a lot
of feelings because ivy's got depth because and i can hear it in your voice too when i'm listening
to your music and hearing it in the range of your voice and there's there are times when your voice
is a little high on your you know as it is in the melodies and then there's times when like
you go a little deeper and i can just there is a soul in your voice that i really really like
too because it's you kind of you don't see it coming you know it kind of sneaks up because like
like wow wow wow is one of those examples where the song kind of starts out and you're like on an
upper register and then as it keeps going like you get a little bit a little bit of deepness a
little bit of soul like you can feel it coming out and that's what's kind of cool wow that's a
wow that's really amazing to hear thank you so much for sharing it's it's it's an energy in music
And I like how you, like Bitcoin came to you, I think.
And then the music came to you also kind of like this journey has gone on like the past five or six years since you started working in Bitcoin.
And then it automatically kind of informed your music and comes out and your music.
Like, of course, you probably fell hard and fast in love with Bitcoin because of your work or your day job.
but also it just seems like it was kind of like a natural thing to embrace music in the way that
you have and putting your music it's on fountain and it's you've got a geyser fund going and it
just seems like this is so perfect and so natural that your music would come out and then you're
kind of you're bringing it into the bitcoin space and just kind of showing what is possible for a
music artist to, you know, earn in Bitcoin and support your music in Bitcoin? Like, how did you
kind of, I guess, choose, like, did you choose to come to Fountain first? Or did you know about it
because you're a podcaster? Right. I would say yes. I started connecting with Fountain when I,
during my podcast days, and I had Nick, one of the co-founder from Fountain, came on my show as
an early guest so I was um aware of the value for value concept going on and when I was starting to
write music it was none of this was planned none of this was planned it was really I when I was
starting writing songs I was at a low point in my life um I was in the year where I really lost
everything like my mom was getting really really sick um I was breaking up from my long-term
relationship of five, six years, and then I lost my job. And then the three of these things,
they kind of happened in the period of two months. So it's like overnight, I changed a place to live
and all of the legs that I was previously standing on and building myself on were completely
collapsing. And back then, and then I was like out of a job, I was paying for myself, just
getting by, selling Bitcoin on the way down because, you know, it's just part of life.
But even back then, I knew that it's going to be ultimately an opportunity. And I really,
really enjoyed very much the time I was unemployed. And then like networks, watching my networks
going down because I was really taking care of myself. I was making an intentional choice. I was
cooking every day. I was going to the gym every day. I went out for walks every day. By the time
I was still unemployed and I went home and my dad was like, they had no idea. Like I never told them
this happened. So in their head, I was like working all the time. And I went home and my dad's like,
you've been away for 10 years and this is the time you look the best and and i uh-huh uh-huh
and i was like little do you know that it's uh the the glow is coming from unemployment of course
i didn't say that but i was like yes but yeah uh vibe with that but yeah for sure but but it was
really the time that i i recognized okay like i can take care of myself and i should be taking
care of myself and I should take this opportunity to rest because it's not gonna be like this
forever and I will be busy again and I will be thinking that oh I should be taking the time to
rest so I was really happy that it was the case and the music kind of came from in that process
where I was really trying to figure things out myself and it was during a time that I was
intensely traveling here and there and i would have these go through these stories have these
interactions and conversations and with whatever i was struggling with at the time right and with
the impression of that space so in the ep there were a few songs that was written after specific
trips um there's the trip to berlin there's the trip to amsterdam there's trip to madeira like
Those are all, I took these trips for Bitcoin because I traveled for work and then I lingered because I was there.
I may as well take a break to explore.
And then the song came that way.
So there's a lot because of my involvement in Bitcoin.
There's a lot of context of the stories behind and the locations of these songs.
And I wish for whoever have traveled to these places for big conferences or your personal reasons, if you hear these songs that are constructed in a certain place, I hope you get to pick up a little bit of the vibe of that place because that's what I was trying to capture, too.
Very cool.
Okay, so wait, which song was which city?
You mentioned Berlin and Madeira and where else?
Amsterdam, Prague.
Like, a lot of these trips are linked to different parts of the world.
that I traveled to for Bitcoin.
Wow.
Okay.
Because the songs are okay.
So Berlin or Luft, that's got to be a song about Berlin, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
So The Way You Are Only Human.
Okay. This is your most streamed track, I think. And which city would that be connected to? That didn't really have, not all of the songs come from trips. So there were a few that I took inspirations and there were a few that kind of, like I drew inspiration from the diary over a course of time.
And then it overlaps with some of the trips.
So they all come slightly different sources.
Okay.
Does the Cure have a city tied to it?
No, The Cure doesn't have. The Cure was actually the first song I wrote.
Oh, cool. Okay, so we're getting some of the behind the scenes here. Okay, so No Time in Madera has obviously got to be connected to Madera.
Yes.
And then Follow the Wise Rabbit, the longest song, by the way.
That's what I wrote after Prague. Yes.
That's after Prague. Okay, cool. Okay, so that Prague-inspired Follow the Wise Rabbit.
Yes.
That is very cool. Okay, so that's now getting a little behind the scenes.
Like you could if you're traveling to Bitcoin conferences, you now have kind of the official Bitcoin conference soundtrack.
I love that.
I did not know that.
And you know how people go to different places and they build playlists while they're traveling to.
And then whenever they listen to that playlist in the future, it brings back their memory and sometimes do the same thing with smells and like perfumes and food and sound.
And yeah, like I just find it I'm extremely, extremely grateful for having the ability to to make my own time capsule, basically.
I love it. I should add that you're you know, you're a real musician.
You're not making like AI assisted music like you actually know what you're doing.
Like you play keyboard, correct?
Yes, I play keyboard.
I started as a kid and then I started doing piano for a number of years.
but I've always been a crappy instrument player.
Like I've never been any good.
That's why for decades I was like,
I really love music.
I like to sing,
but I guess I'm just not that talented over here.
I will be an admirer of music,
but it was really when I started writing songs,
I realized that was really something I was meant to do.
Everything kind of came to you,
like I guess from,
maybe this is true,
maybe this is not true.
It just seems like everything came pouring in
after you got into Bitcoin
or after Bitcoin found you.
Does that sound right?
I would say so.
But I would also say that in this very process,
I've always been a very, very open person.
I know my perceptor is not my knowledge.
I know that I'm not navigating in this world from a fact-based perspective.
So I really acknowledge on the fact that I don't know enough about anything.
And my sensor, my way of navigating in this world is really emotions and the senses and the emotional response that the world triggers in me and then vice versa.
So it's been a great journey learning about myself and learning about the world.
And to stay open in that process, it means I was able to really reflect on the random conversations I had.
And I'm a deterministic person.
I don't know about you, but I'm deterministic.
So everything happens.
I believe that everything happens for a reason, for the better.
So I look into, I try to look into the meaning or the intention behind each random interaction, random conversation and see what is this conversation trying to tell me that will be helpful for me?
Like, what do I need to know?
Why this happened now?
What do I need to know here?
So I'm constantly asking myself these questions and I am not too pride to be a student.
And this is where being Asian has really helped me because growing up, I'm a good student.
I've always studied.
And this is how, as an Asian kid, I get a little bit more chance and time to play.
So if I were a good student at school, if I were to be top of my class, then I have a little bit more flexibility at home in terms of how much I can play, how much I can be on my computer.
the lens of my hair, for example.
Because in school, you're supposed to have short hair
and at a certain lens,
and you could get in trouble as a girl
if you have long hair
because they don't want you to be focusing on beauty
as a teenager.
But because I had good grades, like nobody cared.
Like it's these things, these things.
And I would like to get a little bit more privilege,
a little bit more freedom as a good student.
And that has helped me help with humility, I guess,
of taking advice from people and listening to them and actually do what they say. I think that's
important. The beginner mindset is so important. I never want to be the smartest person in the room.
Like I never I never want to say, oh, I already know that, you know, like mansplaining is a
different thing. But but I never want to feel like I know everything because then what is left?
You know, I think everybody can teach me something. Even maybe people I don't like so much even have
something to teach me. Everything is a teacher. Everything in life is a teacher. And if you can
kind of like, you know, bring it back to love, if you love yourself and you don't identify so much
in your ego, then yeah, you can absolutely be open to, you know, even taking criticism. You know,
everything's information. Like if you just look at things and go, okay, maybe that hurts my ego a
little bit. Maybe it hurts my feelings, but that's information. That's information I can use. And then
And I stay like moldable and flexible rather than just like, you know, like I can't look in any other direction.
Right. It's got to be my way or the highway.
Like it's life is so much less fun if you get into that control freak, like black and white thinking mode.
And I think Bitcoiners are some of the best thinkers.
I mean, we question the question everything.
And so like it's just so refreshing for somebody to say, hey, I'd rather be humble, you know, because we say that a lot in Bitcoin.
We say we're going to stay humble and stack sats, but, you know, not everybody's good at the humble part.
But see, but at the same time, I find myself struggling on the control freak aspect, too, because I am very particular.
And I feel like you kind of need to be with your craft.
Like you need to be very particular and know what you want and know to not cave on anything lesser than that.
And there's certain type of paranoia that you kind of need to go into that direction.
But there's a healthy balance.
And I find myself struggling on this front too.
Because on one hand, I'm very, on that sense, I'm a very bipolar person.
And I have friends describing me as you are extremes between fine lines.
And I agree because I'm really like that.
And it's a lot of the songs, the music, and what I'm doing, it's very much about duality.
And it's about the message that it's not about either or, it's that it's both and.
And it's really two things at the same time.
And it's because there's only one thing.
And it's just the two sides of the one thing.
And there's not even necessarily good or bad about that.
So I think that awareness has also helped me in the past.
Yeah, as we mature, we get out of the black and white, either or thinking.
And we get into more gray areas.
I mean, we grow a little tolerance, hopefully, as we get older.
Not everybody does, but hopefully.
That's my goal, anyways, to be like a little bit more laid back with each passing year.
Now, you've got, if you're just tuning in, Ivy Lumi, this is the guest this week on Radio Detox.
I think she is very detoxed from the fiat system and also the fiat music system.
I imagine you probably have your music on places like Apple and Spotify, just because you kind of probably just do.
Well, yeah, because that's a very specific approach that I've decided to take.
Like I said, Ivy Lumi is not just here to heal Bitcoiners.
And I'm here for everybody.
And I don't want to discriminate against.
If you're not a Bitcoin, I'm not going to bother with my healing message.
I'm not going to be that.
And then I understand there's this purity preference going on, I guess.
And sometimes I post, there was one time I posted a wow, wow, wow music video on Nostar.
And because right now Nostar doesn't allow you to upload file up to a certain size,
like that was my only option to paste a YouTube video.
And there were people commenting on, oh, this is a decentralized platform.
And you're posting YouTube like, what the heck?
And I get that.
I get that.
But at the same time, like I am here to focus on building and I'm here to build for everyone.
And I don't want to make the distinction and waste my energy on deciding I'm going to give to you and not you.
And if you resonate with my music, I believe the universe will find you a way to Ivy Lumi regardless.
Yeah, don't let the purists drag you down. I mean, there is a lot of that on Noster. And it's, I think it's a very low brow energy. I think it's a very low vibe energy of like, every artist still is on traditional platforms, leave them alone. It's part of the gig. It's part of the music business. You will be on YouTube, and TikTok and Instagram, or, you know, some combination of them. And it doesn't mean that we like being there. You know, it doesn't doesn't mean we're having a good time there.
Every day I have to worry about all my YouTube channels and copyright strikes, whether I deserve them or not.
You know, there's no recourse if you get one.
And it doesn't matter if you did a bad thing and violated a copyright or not.
It's just that if you get a strike, anybody can do that and try to take you down.
And so I just kind of like wait for the day when YouTube takes down, you know, one of my channels.
but for the time being, you know, myself as a creator, a lot of people as creators
are still doing, you know, afoot, I think, in both worlds where, yeah, you're going to be on
YouTube and, yeah, you're going to share a link to a YouTube video on Noster and anybody who gets
mad about that is probably, to me, in my opinion, focused on the wrong things. You know, Ivy Loomy
has got great art and that's what we should be focusing on is her good music and the fact that
You actually, you're in this ecosystem.
You do a lot around here in the Bitcoin world.
And I think it's great to, you're a BitCleaner who is on Noster.
People should just be happy about that.
And you also are using Geyser to fundraise for your campaign right now.
And I think this is so cool because now I can support you and all the rest of the artists that I love on Fountain and or Wave Lake and or Noster.
Like I can, I can just zap whatever you post on Noster.
I can listen to your podcast.
I can zap you there.
I can listen to your music.
I can zap boost there.
And then like what I did today, I got on Geyser and I love that you've got this Geyser page,
this Geyser fund and people can contribute, which I highly recommend.
I contributed today.
So, you know, I put my, my sats where my mouth is.
And one of the things that I thought was so interesting about your Geyser page is you're
Actually, you have 16 days left on the day we're recording this on Thursday, March 5th.
So she's got a little more, you know, the two weeks to go.
Your Geyser fund is actually you're not asking for that much.
You're asking for 500,000 sacks, which is about $357.
That's not even that much.
I think people should be running to fund your Geyser campaign right now.
I'm trying to make it.
The whole concept is love is the cure.
Right.
And then I really want to make something that you can hold on to, like a little reminder.
And I feel like sometimes we need these little manifests of love, these little reminders.
And it can be anything, really.
It can be a note.
It can be a card.
It can be a keychain.
It can be a necklace.
But it's really about can you see something and get reminded that first, you are loved.
Second, that you're enough.
And third, that there's still so much more in the world to explore.
so get up and feel positive like don't soak over whatever and go out and explore and there's so
much love and light and hope outside and let's not focus on the bad things only so it's really
about how can i create something that's connected to my music and my message and for some people
something people can hold on to because with everything being deep fake more and more ai
generated more and more isolated we need these little things as humans to hold on to so you can
see in the gazer campaign there's a lot of things going on there um i really along with the original
the cure there's a um i released a line of six pin collection it's a pin collection with six pins
with five pins generated from the from the the cure ep and one pin of my logo um these songs are
designed by my creative director f-zero um it's collaboration with him and then these songs are
coming from the essence of the songs of the cure ep so the the catalog we went through you asked me
where did you write these each of them is now a pin that you can hold on to that has some essence
of the song attached and then on top of that i also have um a cd recording five songs from the
the Cure EP as well as two bonus singles that I have released ever since.
I love this.
Everybody's got to get in on this because, first of all,
Geyser does these campaigns and they are all or nothing campaigns.
So we've got to fund her.
Otherwise, I get my money back.
I don't want my money back.
I want it to go to you and to your funding.
But also, these are kind of collector's items.
And I don't know about you or anybody else listening,
but I'm going to assume Radio Detox listeners are all about
not just being able to contribute to something that helps artists like Bitcoin does, like Nostra
does, like Geyser Fund does, like Fountain, Wave, like this whole ecosystem that we've been building
for years now. Like, I know people want to support that, but also like you get a little collectible
here. Like, this is fun. Like, I got a Nostra badge and like, I can go back. I can get, I can
get one of these collectible pins, which are really cute, by the way. I love this one where
it's like the it's a clock and every every part of the clock says now instead of a number because
the time is now do these uh reflect individual songs or just is it just part of your i don't
know your aesthetic your vibe it's actually uh it's from an individual song guess which
oh which oh okay so now the the one with the clock that says now on every number would be
I'm going to guess no time in Madeira.
That's the wrong answer.
The song behind this is Follow the Wise Rabbit.
And if you look at the pin, the clock, the inside of the clock is the historical clock in Prague.
Oh, the famous.
Okay, so this is cool.
okay so folks are really gonna love uh getting a little little piece of ivy loomy and not just
your music but your creativity overall and that there's actually a story behind all this this is
this is what we've been missing i think like i think artist mainstream artists like the big ones like taylor swift es this kind of thing, right? Where like she has eras and there's a whole story behind it. And then people buy tickets to her shows and they show up dressed up in, you know, certain era
related outfits. So like, this is kind of like that where like we feel like we're really true
fans. Like we know you through your music, like we know your music and we just kind of like get
that opportunity to have that relationship as fans do you because you're releasing your music
in the value verse do you feel like you're having that good peer-to-peer like one-to-one relationship
with your fans like do you actually know the people who are listening to your music yeah i'm
starting i'm starting to to have that because i'm such a new artist and i i'm not previously in the
music industry i'm just for me it started as something to document and for something to reflect
on myself and then it became something that wow maybe i can heal more people through these
and in this very to this very day i'm every single day in the process of becoming ivy loomy
because what she represents and what she could represent for bitcoiners for bitcoiner and beyond
i i want to help through that vessel and it's interesting you mentioned taylor swift because
I was thinking to myself, we have Bitcoin artists, we have Bitcoin musicians sing about Bitcoin at Bitcoin conferences, and it's a blast.
And I always love this experience, bringing people together, and we need that.
But at the same time, how about the other people?
How about people who are not into technology, not into finance, but they may be the people who need Bitcoin the most.
Because if I have, if I get to save $5 a month, I'm not going to have the bandwidth to think about generational wealth, no matter what you say about Bitcoin becoming general.
It's just not relevant.
I have $5 to save and I have all these obligations, right?
It's just not realistic.
So how can we, I'm trying to reach these people through love and it's a daily practice, really.
Love and music and it all goes together.
If you could create a concert, I guess, from artists who are in the value verse, it doesn't
have to be people who are like super crazy Nostra people or super into Bitcoin, like
any music that you have listened to that's, you know, independent in the value verse,
maybe some artists that you know or would want to perform with and do like a live concert,
maybe at one of these conferences, maybe somewhere else.
But like, what would your dream lineup be or dream concert anywhere in the world?
any musicians that you could perform with?
Because of course you would be on the bill.
That's a good question.
I want to be performing with my friends.
Over the past couple of years,
in the process of becoming a musician
in the Bitcoin space,
I would say it's really the best thing
because we already have so many great artists
that support the initiatives around Value for Value
or really operating on that vein
and are creating incredible art.
and I've learned so much from them in the past couple years.
So my dream lineup would be to perform with my friends as a musician
because before I was only being there as a participant, right?
I'm only starting to line up and trying to get live gigs with events just starting now
with a million things in the pipeline and not much help, right?
So yeah, if your event is interested, hit me up
And I would love to find ways to collaborate with communities in the space.
And even beyond Bitcoin space, like I said, I'm here to not here just for Bitcoiners.
Yeah, she's here for music and everything else.
Well, here for love, but, you know, here for all of this, this wonderful creativity.
And, you know, what do you think of Nostra?
I know you like Nostra.
I know you told Avi on PubChain Radio that you probably spend more time on Nostra than Twitter these days.
That's 100% true. And I was looking at my feed on Twitter. I was like, I really don't feel bad of ditching my existing community on Twitter to switch Noster. Nobody's on there. And I really enjoy the crowd of Noster. I now have some supporters. They've been following my work for a while. So really shout out to you guys. You know, you're who.
And every day with the interaction of Nostra and how clear the value is signaled, I'm more bullish and more hopeful every day building on Nostra.
Yay. Are you into vibe coding at all?
I mean, you mentioned building on Nostra.
Are you into any of that or are you just there to like hang out and use it for, you know, social things and music things?
I wouldn't say I'm a coder.
And it's going to be, I know it's an interesting rabbit hole I'm yet to explore.
And I'm a little bit scared to go on that rabbit hole because there's so many other things going on.
I'm really trying to be mindful of the priority here.
And I want to remain kind of authentic as much as possible in the music and lean into that a bit more.
So maybe one day, maybe one day.
I feel like I would be into that just because everybody will have to.
Yeah.
The next time you ever have some downtime, like we certainly don't want you to be unemployed
ever again.
But, you know, if you ever have like some vacation time, you know, just some time to go down the
vibe coding rabbit hole, it would actually be interesting to see, you know, what someone
like yourself who is well-versed in Bitcoin and well-versed in Noster and music and, you
know, the value verse or value for value, whatever we want to call it.
it would be interesting to see what you might vibe code and like what you might come up with.
Like, would you come up with a music thing or just something else? Like that's, that's always
what interests me about what people come up with because it's, it's really another tool for
creativity and like, gosh, nobody is as creative as someone who makes music. You know, that's,
you guys are the best. Like it's not just like, it's a gift. Like you have a gift. I can, I cannot
sing like you do. I cannot come up with melodies like you do. And, and everything you put out from
The way you set up your Geyser campaign and have these pins that go with your songs to the wow, wow, wow music video.
Like you're just pure creativity, Ivy.
We love this.
We need more.
We need about 100 more of you in this space at least.
Yes, please.
And this is not a solo effort.
I have a small yet very good team.
And I have a few really good and close collaborators who have always been there for me whenever I needed it.
They've been supporting my music journey from the very beginning.
So it is a community effort.
And in the end, the journey of me becoming Ivy Lumi is more than one person stepping up to write songs.
It's about how her and her community can come together and heal the world through love and hope.
And this is my, you may think that this is a real like lunatic thing to say, but this is my real ambition is. And if we think about how mainstream artists come out and Taylor Swift come out and say, I'm getting married and how the Twitter just broke down over that. What if we have something, what if we have an artist mainstream on a global scale come out and say, I'm into Bitcoin? Like what will happen then?
Oh, God. It would be great.
Yeah, exactly. Right. So we need to do that now as Bitcoiners, as a collective.
We really do. And like, I know that there are some artists out there who are kind of mainstream or extremely mainstream and behind the scenes, they're Bitcoiners.
But mainstream wise, it's still they're told by their managers, you know, hey, you don't want to mention that word.
Or like if you say Bitcoin on Instagram, that's kind of a result in an instant shadow.
And, you know, like I haven't experienced that yet with Bitcoin content on YouTube.
Like, well, Bitcoiners are doing great on YouTube. Right.
Shout out to people. People are doing great like Walker or BTC Sessions.
I think one or both of them have had their stuff taken down, too.
Like it's certainly simply Bitcoin has had their stuff taken down, too.
And, you know, they give you no recourse. They don't tell you why.
You can just kind of guess, you know, oh, I bet they got taken down because they mentioned Bitcoin or they mentioned some other thing.
And so, like, that's why I say I'm just waiting to be taken down at some point.
And I see people get their accounts back.
But, you know, you go down for like three weeks or whatever while you try to work with YouTube, Meta, Google, whoever is taking you down.
Certainly had my Instagram taken down once, too.
Not for anything I said, but because somebody reported me dead.
And I'm sure there was another person with my name who actually probably did pass away, but I got taken down for a few weeks on my Instagram.
And that was 2019.
And that's sort of where I started to fall out of love with the big tech, with the mainstream legacy platforms.
Well, we didn't have an alternative yet in 2019 like we do now with Noster.
And so every once in a while, I like to ask a guest like yourself who is passionate about Noster and you like Noster.
So I want to know if you have any thoughts about what must we do to ensure that NOSTER cannot fail?
I would say it's the same thing for every work.
It goes beyond NOSTER, just people extending kindness to themselves and others.
Because I get it.
You don't see the person and we're having all these heated conversations because the world is chaotic and truth is chaotic.
But can we not lose ourselves in that process?
Have come from a place of kindness, not I'm right, you're not.
The reason why I have been able to lean into my creative practice is because I know I'm not right.
I know that I don't know enough and I'm open to be proven wrong.
I'm open to get hurt.
And I remember a lot of these songs were written in a time where I was leaning into the heartbreaks.
I was leaning into suffering because I wanted to get to the bottom of this to know what do I need in love.
And I think we need to, on Noster or Beyond, we need to allow ourselves to be more uncomfortable for once.
Like be wrong.
And lean into that discomfort.
Yeah.
Like, don't be so argumentative.
Like, let someone correct you or let someone challenge you.
You know, like, not every opinion I have is correct.
You know, I'm sometimes stuck in my ways.
Like, I get it.
I'll die on a hill.
I'll have a strong opinion about something, but is it just based on a feeling or is it based on a fact?
And if I need to be corrected, could there be a nice way to do it?
And I can do the same thing to other people.
I can be nice and kind and loving too.
And remember that our friend Ivy Lumi says love is the cure and that we need to practice more kindness.
We need more people like you.
Can I duplicate you?
Can I clone you?
and get more, more folks like you in the value verse and just get more people, you know,
listening to you for sure, supporting on Geyser. And one of the things I love about Geyser is it
works with Noster. So when I do support someone like Ivy Lumi on Geyser, that it's going to post
to Noster for me and people are going to be like, oh, what's this? You know, you know, like, oh,
what is, what is she doing? Why is she supporting that? What is this? And hopefully like somebody
else comes in and hears your music just because I like, you know, did a little thing and made a
little post and shared your music and maybe more people will come to you because they listen to
Radio Detox and, you know, more people will find everything that you do, which is a lot. She does
a lot around here, folks. We're just we're concentrating on her music right now because I
think that's the most important message. I want to I want to see your Geyser Fund campaign get
fully funded. I want to see all the musicians'
campaigns get fully funded. So
people need to go on Geyser. Go find
Ivy Lumi. Just, you know, click
the zap button, folks.
Just participate here.
Her success means more success for
more people. And that means
growing the space and growing the ecosystem
and then, you know, maybe
somebody watching
this on YouTube or listening on Fountain
hears this and goes, okay,
she said it very early, but
she's also a little bit ahead of me and like,
I really like her music and maybe someday I can do what she's doing and maybe we'll do a concert together somewhere.
And it could be Hong Kong.
It could be anywhere.
But, you know, that's what I want.
I want more people to hear this and go, that person is doing it.
So I want to do it.
Like, I could do what Ivy Loomies is doing.
You know, that's what we need because that would be so fun.
Can you imagine Bitcoin conferences?
if we're at Bitcoin conferences
and there's a whole bunch of Ivy Loomies
and there's just a whole bunch of people
who are like you
and we could have like a massive music festival
at a Bitcoin conference
like you, Roger 9000, Ainsley Costello, Joe Martin.
Like I could just name off like dozens of people
who would be excellent entertainers
and really show off, you know,
what we can do with Bitcoin, with Lightning,
you know with Noster and how it all works together like you're right we're so early I'm dreaming
though totally culture well you're you're not dreaming it's already happening culture is the
way and I always believe that while money is very very base layer uh culture is more base layer than
money and humanity is more base layer than culture and when we come together regardless of gender
race and culture and money or currencies and and what is feeding humanity what is the the fuel
for humanity to survive and i think we that's how i ended up the answer of wow love is really the
cure because without love and and i think of bitcoin and love's relationship being this this
love can be this spark in our heart and bitcoin can be the electricity or the heat like the moment
the moment of heat and it becomes a fire but if you just have the fire you're just gonna end up
but the no spark you're just end up burning everything down like there's a hand-in-hand
relationship and i feel like the the test about upon bitcoiners are upon us um with the work
where the world is going and where bitcoin is going and i hope um more people bitcoin
or Bitcoiner will not get to encounter your content, my content, and start to ask themselves
a few other questions in Bitcoin other than what is money and start to think about who am I,
what I'm here to do, and how can I help? I love that. We're going to end it there. That was
absolute perfection. That's a Bitcoiner right there. Having a great vision, that's what we do
best in this community is having a vision for things just being better improving constantly
i love that thank you ivy loomy uh one of my best guests ever i would say and uh totally stoked
about the music too gonna be listening to this for a long time thank you so much