1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,980 Zither Harp 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:59,980 优优独播剧场——YoYo Television Series Exclusive 3 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,940 Have I died a hundred times 4 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:10,320 On my way to find my first best friend 5 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,300 I bet you can 6 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:17,560 Live through the flood 7 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:23,000 Oh why 8 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:52,980 优优独播剧场——YoYo Television Series Exclusive 9 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:22,980 优优独播剧场——YoYo Television Series Exclusive 10 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:52,980 优优独播剧场——YoYo Television Series Exclusive 11 00:02:53,000 --> 00:03:22,980 Zither Harp 12 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:36,540 somehow the truth's allowed to keep her heart to break her vow 13 00:03:36,540 --> 00:03:54,800 I do Detox is back with, I think, the ultimate Detox guest right here. 14 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Ivy Lumi, you probably should know who she is, 15 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,320 but if not, you've come to the right place. 16 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,440 It's great to have you on, Ivy. 17 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,160 you've got a lot going on 18 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,680 but I want to concentrate on your music 19 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,680 first of all 20 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,000 and the message of the music 21 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,860 and kind of how you got into 22 00:04:12,860 --> 00:04:14,280 I don't want to give it a name 23 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,880 we've been calling it on Radio Detox 24 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,860 The Valueverse or V4V 25 00:04:18,860 --> 00:04:20,780 we've been calling it this 26 00:04:20,780 --> 00:04:21,860 for like a year and a half 27 00:04:21,860 --> 00:04:24,840 and I don't know if it's the best terminology 28 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:26,400 but I'm going to leave this up to 29 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,480 the musicians like yourself 30 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,000 and you have this great new EP 31 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:37,460 coming out. You've got a fund going on Geyser, and I support it today. So I'm excited about that 32 00:04:37,460 --> 00:04:43,400 because I get a Noster badge for it. So I'm just super excited to talk to another woman in Bitcoin 33 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:49,220 who loves Noster, who loves music and marketing and all the same things that I do. So I'm just 34 00:04:49,220 --> 00:04:56,420 geeked out to talk to you today, Ivy. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really looking forward 35 00:04:56,420 --> 00:05:02,120 to this always down to talk about music and love this is awesome okay so should we just like get 36 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:09,440 into what you've got going on you've got probably one of the coolest bitcoin kind of music videos 37 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:16,140 like well it's not a bitcoin centered music video but i love the music video for wow wow wow uh can 38 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:22,160 you tell me how you made this video is just it is so creative yeah for sure um yeah thank you so 39 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,540 for tuning in and I'm so glad you like it 40 00:05:24,540 --> 00:05:25,600 Wow Wow Wow 41 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,440 is a single that I released 42 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,360 in December 2025 43 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,900 so it's only been a few months 44 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:34,240 and then the music video 45 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,720 has been Ivy Lumi's 46 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,140 first ever music video 47 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:40,740 we actually shot the music video 48 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:41,920 in Hong Kong after 49 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,080 Bitcoin Asia last year that I was 50 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,420 leading the production 51 00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:48,400 of so that was a little bit of break 52 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,380 after the big conference and we were 53 00:05:50,380 --> 00:05:52,440 wondering around Hong Kong 54 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,620 and taking some footages 55 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:54,800 we already knew that 56 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,580 I will be releasing 57 00:05:56,580 --> 00:05:58,580 WOWWOW in the next few months 58 00:05:58,580 --> 00:05:59,780 so we wanted to make 59 00:05:59,780 --> 00:06:01,560 something that's authentic 60 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,180 with the traditional style 61 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:06,820 of lip-sync music video 62 00:06:06,820 --> 00:06:08,040 but at the same time 63 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,160 we have so many 64 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,760 really great artists 65 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,060 in Bitcoin 66 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:13,100 so I've been 67 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:14,960 forWOWWOW the music video 68 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,100 I collaborated with 69 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:17,060 creative director 70 00:06:17,060 --> 00:06:18,880 FZERO and Zaza Wawa 71 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,580 both big winners 72 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:23,460 to help me co-create 73 00:06:23,460 --> 00:06:24,780 this dream world 74 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:27,260 they're both really cool visualists 75 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:29,360 and then we did the storyboards together 76 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,320 and then we did the transitions together 77 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,200 and all of these coming 78 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,740 together to reflect 79 00:06:35,740 --> 00:06:37,020 the world where 80 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:39,460 reality and the dream world blurs 81 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:41,520 on the love standard basically 82 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,760 I love that 83 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,600 I love the video, I love the music, I love the message 84 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,620 love is the cure 85 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:54,060 and you know you love love so i do too i mean what woman doesn't love love this is why we're here is 86 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:59,480 to choose love over fear that that's my philosophy anyway it's always love is greater power than fear 87 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,400 and and so is bitcoin you know it just kind of ties in you know bitcoin is is hope it's love 88 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,880 it's everything but fear it is it's the opposite of the nihilism we see in the world today is 89 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:16,080 how much does bitcoin itself like the philosophy of bitcoin how much does that influence your music 90 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,060 I would say it inspired me to ask a lot of questions 91 00:07:21,060 --> 00:07:25,740 I started working in Bitcoin very luckily 92 00:07:25,740 --> 00:07:27,940 about five more than five years ago 93 00:07:27,940 --> 00:07:29,980 so it's been five years time flies 94 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:33,480 I got into the Bitcoin industry on a whim 95 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,880 without industry knowledge I wasn't a Bitcoiner 96 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,400 it was back during a time where you could still get a Bitcoin job 97 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:41,560 without being a Bitcoiner 98 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,340 so I got lucky there 99 00:07:43,340 --> 00:07:45,780 then I quickly became Orange Pill 100 00:07:45,780 --> 00:07:51,000 maybe like it took me three to six months to really have that pivotal moment and realize wow 101 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,600 bitcoin it's not just about money because personally i i did i never liked math growing up 102 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:02,540 i was bad at numbers i don't like to think about money yeah like it caused me a lot of stress right 103 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:07,700 just like a lot of other women out there and for the longest time i just like everybody else i've 104 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:13,180 heard of bitcoin because at this point you you must have you must have been um here or there 105 00:08:13,180 --> 00:08:16,280 but I never really thought that it has something to do with me 106 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,640 and it's just very separate worlds we're living in 107 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,300 because it's not like tomorrow I'm going to quit my job to build a rocket 108 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:26,680 because that's not my arena 109 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,480 like that's not my specialty or that's not my interest 110 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,840 so I thought Bitcoin was just one of these things 111 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,660 that they exist and they have their community and great for them 112 00:08:35,660 --> 00:08:38,940 but it's not something that I could personally relate to 113 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:41,500 or it's not something that I could take use of 114 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:42,920 but that was very wrong 115 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,360 and I really sensed this sense of responsibility 116 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,960 because I feel like, wow, I got so lucky 117 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,560 to have stumbled upon Bitcoin the way I did 118 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:56,960 while I wasn't into technology or finance or whatever 119 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,360 and I'm sure there's so many people just like me 120 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,160 there's so many people that are just like me 121 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,140 they don't really care about 122 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:08,740 or they're not necessarily tech savvy or finance savvy 123 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:13,560 but they would be freedom maximalists just like I am 124 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,700 they would be into love and freedom 125 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:17,280 and want to better ourselves 126 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,060 and become the best version of ourselves 127 00:09:19,060 --> 00:09:20,540 just like a lot of us 128 00:09:20,540 --> 00:09:25,080 and these people already intrinsically have a lot of ESOs 129 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,940 or is very aligned with Bitcoin ESOs already 130 00:09:27,940 --> 00:09:35,400 so I was thinking how can we encourage the next adoption curve 131 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,500 for the community 132 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:43,500 how can we bring more people onto the bitcoin standard and my personal answer to come for that 133 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:49,840 and for that question is not more bitcoin content not necessarily more bitcoin content because we 134 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:55,160 already so had so many so had so many and before i started doing music i have a bitcoin podcast 135 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:01,940 which i still do to date yeah talking about the lifestyle aspect of bitcoin which i i realized 136 00:10:01,940 --> 00:10:07,900 but then on top of that I started to realize what what what next because even Bitcoiners there 137 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:13,600 we're struggling because there's so much trauma and sadness in us and if you're early enough to 138 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:21,160 have realized what Bitcoin is and have participated in that standard then I can only imagine there's 139 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,480 even more grief there's even more anger maybe even more trauma because that's how you found 140 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,780 Bitcoin in the first place 141 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:29,340 and I see in our world 142 00:10:29,340 --> 00:10:31,220 everything is so chaotic 143 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:32,640 everybody is upset 144 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,660 and there's so much 145 00:10:34,660 --> 00:10:37,320 anger and frustration 146 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,020 and you can see just merely walking on the street 147 00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:42,640 and there gotta be a better way 148 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,600 to do it 149 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,380 and I don't 150 00:10:44,380 --> 00:10:46,120 I'm a very sensitive person 151 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,220 and I remember myself 152 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:51,040 growing up feeling depressed 153 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,120 if I watch news on TV 154 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,680 and I feel like 155 00:10:55,680 --> 00:11:04,320 我 realized that I want to be surrounding myself with positivity 156 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,360 with art and love instead of negativity, speculation 157 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,080 or arbitrary whatever. 158 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:18,640 So it has been a very long journey of me not tuning into these. 159 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,240 And the past couple of years, the past few years, 160 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,760 I started writing songs end of 2023 161 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,240 after having a random conversation at a Bitcoin conference 162 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,280 they told me that I should start writing things down 163 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:31,500 so I did 164 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:34,940 and then music found me in that process 165 00:11:34,940 --> 00:11:36,520 because I like to sing 166 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,460 and things where you have random conversations 167 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:42,160 that lead you to this path 168 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,180 and I was genuinely looking for a way to express myself 169 00:11:46,180 --> 00:11:48,500 I was looking for love for myself 170 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,680 being at the right age 171 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:52,860 and being a Bitcoiner wanting to be low-time preference 172 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:54,900 that was the natural next step 173 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,240 but I was at the same time 174 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:57,880 I was suffering 175 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,100 I was asking questions 176 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:02,520 I was not yet sure who I was 177 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:03,360 or what I wanted 178 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,500 while I was on the journey 179 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:06,400 of looking for love 180 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,860 so as you could kind of anticipate 181 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:10,720 there's a lot of moving parts 182 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,500 there's a lot of chaos going on 183 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:13,200 in that process 184 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,400 and the songs and the emotions 185 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,160 and the melodies 186 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,640 kind of crystallized in that process 187 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,240 so a few years of songwriting 188 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,300 in this bitcoin space and a few years of looking for love we love the music have you found the love 189 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:35,320 yet oh i have found i have found love in that process and i think it's uh the ultimate love um 190 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:42,320 it's what we the kind it's the kindness we sometimes extend to ourselves and this was 191 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:49,500 almost one of the biggest lessons i learned in this journey is that we need to really 192 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:52,640 begin from loving ourselves 193 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,360 respecting ourselves 194 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,140 before we move on to loving others 195 00:12:57,140 --> 00:12:58,680 and sometimes we 196 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,860 because if we love others 197 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:03,680 with the portion 198 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:04,920 or with the energy 199 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,540 that we're supposed to love ourselves 200 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:08,420 it can work 201 00:13:08,420 --> 00:13:10,340 but it's not sustainable 202 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:12,860 because you're loving someone at a deficit 203 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:14,380 and it should be 204 00:13:14,380 --> 00:13:16,080 what I've learned in this process 205 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,840 it's better to have 206 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,480 so much self-love 207 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,940 that's not egotistic 208 00:13:20,940 --> 00:13:23,480 it's not being narcissistic about it 209 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,680 although it could be appearing 210 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,020 sometimes narcissistic 211 00:13:27,020 --> 00:13:28,200 right yes 212 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,380 but it's not a narcissistic thing 213 00:13:30,380 --> 00:13:31,140 self-love 214 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:32,960 if we have so much of self-love 215 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,060 and the self-love is overflowing 216 00:13:35,060 --> 00:13:36,920 then we can love others 217 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:37,820 and love the world 218 00:13:37,820 --> 00:13:39,680 with the overflowing portion 219 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:41,020 of the love 220 00:13:41,020 --> 00:13:42,360 and spreading that love 221 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,340 and healing energy 222 00:13:43,340 --> 00:13:44,780 and this is what 223 00:13:44,780 --> 00:13:47,400 I really hope to do 224 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,560 as an artist and this is why i'm really trying to push the message of love love is the cure 225 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:59,480 in my artistry because that's really what i've realized and in the quest of looking for love and 226 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:07,560 i've realized that's really the cure surprise surprise and i wish that i my voice and my story 227 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:14,800 and my documentation in that process can help people ask the right type of questions or it can 228 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:21,600 help them with their self-reflection to help them get over terrible heartbreaks or finally take the 229 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:27,760 leap of faith to find the people that they love um so that's uh my essence of um the love is the 230 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:33,060 cure hey that's everything right there if you can love yourself in such a kind of like a wealthy way 231 00:14:33,060 --> 00:14:38,840 like bitcoin is self-love like once you find bitcoin but you find what it's about it's not 232 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,940 just about like opening some kind of financial product account on your phone and saving in 233 00:14:43,940 --> 00:14:47,760 when you realize that Bitcoin is about so much more 234 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,320 and it's about that low time preference 235 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,120 and for me it's about teaching my niece and nephew about Bitcoin 236 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:54,820 when they're ready 237 00:14:54,820 --> 00:14:58,400 they're about 21, 23 right now 238 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,620 and so I'm waiting for the day when they really grasp 239 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:03,120 that it's a good thing 240 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,620 and that it's about long-term planning 241 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:08,240 and planning for your future 242 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,480 and planning for your family 243 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,620 and hopefully they'll want to have kids 244 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:14,900 and I'll be a great aunt. 245 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:18,720 And that's all too, in the end, 246 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:20,320 it creates more love in your life. 247 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,940 I mean, it creates more love in your life every day, 248 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,760 but it creates more love, more family. 249 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:26,880 It brings more people into our lives. 250 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:29,620 And when the kids have kids, I'm going to be so stoked. 251 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,640 But then there will be like so much more love in the world. 252 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,960 And hopefully my values will somehow trickle down 253 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,700 to my niece and nephew. 254 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:42,720 And when they get married and have kids 255 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,220 and get their own place to live 256 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:45,480 because they're still living with mom 257 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,620 hopefully it'll be 258 00:15:47,620 --> 00:15:48,580 you know 259 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:50,300 we are creating more love in the world 260 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:50,920 with bitcoin 261 00:15:50,920 --> 00:16:04,285 because I think part of thatis your values do changeand you do start to thinkfor the long termand you do start to think for the long term and you do start to think, okay, like Bitcoin number go up. That's great. But I would like to, you know, use this money in a way 262 00:16:04,285 --> 00:16:13,885 that sustains rather than depletes. You know, I want to plan for a long term happy life where I do 263 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:20,045 love myself and I'm not a slave to a financial system. Like there's so many layers here. Like 264 00:16:20,045 --> 00:16:23,845 I think what you just said is probably everything. 265 00:16:23,965 --> 00:16:24,845 Love is the cure. 266 00:16:25,425 --> 00:16:29,705 And Bitcoin and love are kind of the same frequency to me. 267 00:16:29,905 --> 00:16:30,725 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 268 00:16:30,825 --> 00:16:35,285 I was just thinking about this earlier today over my coffee this morning. 269 00:16:35,285 --> 00:16:46,845 And I thought to myself, when we are trying to better ourselves and becoming this person that we're meant to become, the awareness and then the perspective, it's so interesting. 270 00:16:46,845 --> 00:16:57,825 Because in love, like as a girl where you grow up with all these romantic dreams, fantasies that you have, regardless of if you're a guy or a girl, right? 271 00:16:57,965 --> 00:17:00,325 And how do we know what's good for us? 272 00:17:00,585 --> 00:17:01,925 And it's the same thing with Bitcoin. 273 00:17:02,085 --> 00:17:05,365 Like how do we know what kind of money do we need? 274 00:17:05,385 --> 00:17:06,185 It's the same thing. 275 00:17:06,505 --> 00:17:13,065 And if we think about what are we looking for in the sound money or what are we looking for in love? 276 00:17:13,065 --> 00:17:17,265 Like it's actually not that different. 277 00:17:17,765 --> 00:17:25,345 And they're very similar in the sense that the fact that you have money doesn't make you understand money. 278 00:17:25,605 --> 00:17:32,025 And then in love is that the fact that you can spell love doesn't teach you how to love. 279 00:17:32,265 --> 00:17:36,325 So there's always this discrepancy, a rabbit hole going on. 280 00:17:36,445 --> 00:17:38,625 And this is what makes it really, really interesting. 281 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:43,165 So coming back to the point of how do we even know what's good for us? 282 00:17:43,265 --> 00:17:53,445 Because in love, we can say today I think love is someone that we go rush in the rain and then we all get wet and then we're happy about it like kids, right? 283 00:17:53,465 --> 00:17:54,985 But then you get sick for a week. 284 00:17:55,405 --> 00:17:57,265 Like, is that good? 285 00:17:57,665 --> 00:18:03,705 Or do you go for someone who bring your umbrella, who give you warm soup and take care of you? 286 00:18:03,705 --> 00:18:12,605 Like we need to know what is that thing that we want, both in society, in the money realm or in love. 287 00:18:12,705 --> 00:18:14,685 So it's really go hand in hand together. 288 00:18:15,045 --> 00:18:15,205 Yeah. 289 00:18:15,305 --> 00:18:17,325 Like I want to find someone who shares my values. 290 00:18:17,505 --> 00:18:22,425 I've had this conversation with another girlfriend in Bitcoin where we're dating, right? 291 00:18:22,445 --> 00:18:23,485 We're looking for that person. 292 00:18:23,485 --> 00:18:31,945 And my friend is still like, I really want to date a man who's in Bitcoin, a man who understands Bitcoin, who has gone all in on Bitcoin. 293 00:18:31,945 --> 00:18:35,665 and therefore understands all of the principles, all the ethos, 294 00:18:35,785 --> 00:18:40,385 everything from low time preference to let's stay in and stack sats 295 00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:44,565 and just all of the different things that kind of become Bitcoiner things 296 00:18:44,565 --> 00:18:46,225 and the way you spend your life, 297 00:18:46,325 --> 00:18:49,905 which is I think the opposite of the mainstream kind of average lifestyle of 298 00:18:49,905 --> 00:18:52,785 I work my job, I complain about it, I go home, 299 00:18:53,305 --> 00:18:55,345 I eat something horrible and watch Netflix. 300 00:18:55,485 --> 00:18:58,825 I think that's kind of our Bitcoiner point of view 301 00:18:58,825 --> 00:19:00,425 of how we think everybody else is 302 00:19:00,425 --> 00:19:02,585 because we were those people at one point. 303 00:19:02,705 --> 00:19:04,105 And so I said to my girlfriend, I said, 304 00:19:04,445 --> 00:19:08,545 you know, I don't know that I need to date a Bitcoin man 305 00:19:08,545 --> 00:19:10,165 because I think in the end, 306 00:19:10,305 --> 00:19:12,445 we're all going to be Bitcoiners, right? 307 00:19:12,565 --> 00:19:14,125 Like, maybe not the end, I guess that's, 308 00:19:14,425 --> 00:19:16,705 at some point we're going to hit hyper Bitcoinization 309 00:19:16,705 --> 00:19:19,085 and we're all going to be Bitcoiners. 310 00:19:19,425 --> 00:19:22,485 And probably anybody I date at some level 311 00:19:22,485 --> 00:19:25,825 is going to be a Bitcoiner or maybe a pre-coiner 312 00:19:25,825 --> 00:19:28,085 or maybe somebody who's open to being orange-pilled 313 00:19:28,085 --> 00:19:32,585 or somebody who's like, hey, explain to me how your life works. 314 00:19:32,645 --> 00:19:35,525 You've got a Bitcoin podcast or three or four of them. 315 00:19:35,645 --> 00:19:41,665 And you've got like you work in Bitcoin and you save in Bitcoin and you sound like a crazy person. 316 00:19:41,805 --> 00:19:43,785 You know, hopefully I don't still sound like a crazy person. 317 00:19:43,885 --> 00:19:46,745 Hopefully I don't still sound like a zealot to the uninitiated. 318 00:19:46,745 --> 00:19:50,425 But I kind of imagine that we're going to get to a point any day now, any year now, 319 00:19:50,685 --> 00:19:57,385 where anybody I date is probably more than likely a Bitcoiner or at least close to it, 320 00:19:57,385 --> 00:20:03,005 at least open to it. Does that make sense to you? Like, would you have to, if you're single, 321 00:20:03,105 --> 00:20:08,625 you don't have to say if you are, do you have to date somebody who is a Bitcoiner or can we leave 322 00:20:08,625 --> 00:20:13,125 it to nuance and be kind of open to dating people knowing that at some point everyone's going to 323 00:20:13,125 --> 00:20:18,605 become a Bitcoiner? At least that's what I think anyway. Right. Well, first, I'm not sure if 324 00:20:18,605 --> 00:20:23,245 everybody's become, is going to become a Bitcoiner. Like that's, that's the first thing. And if you 325 00:20:23,245 --> 00:20:30,245 think about how early we are in Bitcoin and how internet was back then in 1996 or something like 326 00:20:30,245 --> 00:20:36,685 back then you had internet conferences you had these people geeks coming together to talk about 327 00:20:36,685 --> 00:20:40,645 this and really really looking forward to the future just like today Bitcoiners get together 328 00:20:40,645 --> 00:20:48,245 to Bitcoin conferences and and today like many of us almost all of us in societies or majority of 329 00:20:48,245 --> 00:20:53,685 the postmodern individuals are online to a certain degree. 330 00:20:53,805 --> 00:20:58,925 But can we say that we're fundamentally into internet? 331 00:20:59,145 --> 00:21:01,905 Can we say that we stand by the easels 332 00:21:01,905 --> 00:21:04,605 that the internet represents back then, 333 00:21:04,685 --> 00:21:07,565 like which I don't even know what those are now. 334 00:21:07,685 --> 00:21:11,405 Like I wouldn't say that I'm an internet-er. 335 00:21:11,565 --> 00:21:14,065 Like I wouldn't say that while I use net 336 00:21:14,065 --> 00:21:15,665 to the extent that I do, right? 337 00:21:15,665 --> 00:21:16,985 And I feel like in the future, 338 00:21:16,985 --> 00:21:22,865 We will have people who actively use Bitcoin every single day without knowing there's Bitcoin in it. 339 00:21:22,945 --> 00:21:30,345 Like now we see Nostar and maybe people, everybody knew people joined Nostar and they may not know at first, oh, what is zap? 340 00:21:30,425 --> 00:21:35,305 And that's Bitcoin. And maybe they're zapping each other without what's really going on there. 341 00:21:35,305 --> 00:21:52,745 And I don't really necessarily call these people Bitcoiners because I do feel like there's this spiritual or mentality threshold for Bitcoiners to cross to qualify as one, at least for everybody's definition, right? 342 00:21:52,785 --> 00:21:57,865 Like they can have different definitions where they get to cross that threshold and become a Bitcoiner. 343 00:21:57,865 --> 00:22:05,365 and so that's the first thing and this is why i oftentimes leave it to nuances because we are so 344 00:22:05,365 --> 00:22:11,545 we're complicated beings and bitcoiners are very different and when i first um when i was maybe 345 00:22:11,545 --> 00:22:17,425 earlier on in this space when i first realized how amazing bitcoin was and first started to meet 346 00:22:17,425 --> 00:22:24,545 bitcoiners i was like wow everybody like bitcoiners are so much better than average like the man in 347 00:22:24,545 --> 00:22:29,625 Bitcoin space are much, much better than the average at a random place, which I still stand 348 00:22:29,625 --> 00:22:36,825 by this argument. It's really true. But at the same time, it doesn't mean that everybody in Bitcoin 349 00:22:36,825 --> 00:22:42,485 is going to be my Prince Charming. It's just not going to happen because they're humans. They're 350 00:22:42,485 --> 00:22:47,445 coming from different backgrounds. They have different family history, personality, experience. 351 00:22:47,765 --> 00:22:53,965 And this is even more so in Bitcoin because everybody is really diverse, really coming from 352 00:22:53,965 --> 00:22:58,605 different place. And that's even more place for nuance. And I'm the type of person who 353 00:22:58,605 --> 00:23:07,925 love to experience and explore people's universe. I love the fact that people are layered beings. 354 00:23:08,265 --> 00:23:15,985 We have different sides of us. And I'm really willing to take the time to explore if I'm 355 00:23:15,985 --> 00:23:23,265 intrigued enough. And if you only have one side, which is a big winner, and you evolve your own 356 00:23:23,265 --> 00:23:28,985 identity around that and you really, really identify with that. And for me, that's a flag 357 00:23:28,985 --> 00:23:35,065 too. Yeah. Like Bitcoin cannot be your entire personality. I know it is for a lot of people 358 00:23:35,065 --> 00:23:42,305 in this space, but I think we are, we came to Bitcoin through multifaceted ways and we stay, 359 00:23:42,305 --> 00:23:47,265 I think, for multifaceted ways. I think Bitcoin is one of those things in life. Like to me, 360 00:23:47,325 --> 00:23:52,845 Bitcoin is on par with yoga, like Bitcoin and yoga and music too. These are things that things I love 361 00:23:52,845 --> 00:23:55,045 that I'm probably not going to get tired of. 362 00:23:55,125 --> 00:23:57,445 I'm not going to get tired of learning about Bitcoin 363 00:23:57,445 --> 00:23:59,865 and like practicing Bitcoin 364 00:23:59,865 --> 00:24:01,725 the same way as I'm not going to get tired 365 00:24:01,725 --> 00:24:04,225 of learning and practicing yoga. 366 00:24:04,785 --> 00:24:07,165 And I'm not going to get tired of music ever. 367 00:24:07,305 --> 00:24:09,305 I'm not going to just listen to the same songs 368 00:24:09,305 --> 00:24:10,105 for the rest of my life. 369 00:24:10,125 --> 00:24:12,725 I'm going to keep exploring new music, 370 00:24:12,905 --> 00:24:14,365 new genres, new artists. 371 00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:17,125 I'm not going to get tired of those kinds of things. 372 00:24:17,805 --> 00:24:19,925 And yeah, there's going to be downturns, right? 373 00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:20,765 There's going to be times 374 00:24:20,765 --> 00:24:22,585 where maybe I get into a music rut 375 00:24:22,585 --> 00:24:26,265 or a yoga rut or Bitcoin is in a bear market or whatever, 376 00:24:26,445 --> 00:24:28,425 but I'm not going to quit because of it. 377 00:24:28,485 --> 00:24:30,125 I'm going to keep pursuing it. 378 00:24:30,165 --> 00:24:31,545 These have become passions, 379 00:24:31,685 --> 00:24:32,725 but they're not my whole personality. 380 00:24:32,865 --> 00:24:33,645 I do other things too. 381 00:24:34,265 --> 00:24:35,645 I'm sure you do as well. 382 00:24:35,725 --> 00:24:38,165 You do other things besides Bitcoin if you wanted to share. 383 00:24:38,645 --> 00:24:42,485 Yeah, so I would say music is the biggest part 384 00:24:42,485 --> 00:24:46,705 where I'm spending increasingly more of my time 385 00:24:46,705 --> 00:24:49,165 reflecting on it, trying to be better technically 386 00:24:49,165 --> 00:24:51,945 because I came from a really non-technical at all, 387 00:24:51,945 --> 00:24:56,345 just hearing melodies in my head, trying to write it down before I forget it type of approach. 388 00:24:57,045 --> 00:25:03,505 And now that I'm, I'm, I really believe in my vision and I want to help the community, 389 00:25:03,845 --> 00:25:06,265 big winner or not, because everybody is traumatized. 390 00:25:06,305 --> 00:25:08,425 It's not like I'm only trying to help big winners. 391 00:25:08,545 --> 00:25:09,145 That's not true. 392 00:25:10,245 --> 00:25:17,845 So music is one of the biggest kind of arenas why where I'm exploring right now to write about love, 393 00:25:17,845 --> 00:25:25,605 sing about love to four bitcoiners and beyond and i say this to myself like you if you hear 394 00:25:25,605 --> 00:25:33,045 um beyonce's songs her her style is very much you don't deserve my tears like this this vibe like 395 00:25:33,045 --> 00:25:40,925 very boss lady and very empowering and you don't deserve my tear but i i feel like ivy loomi is 396 00:25:40,925 --> 00:25:48,025 kind of taking on a different approach it's where she's saying i cry for you i think it has a lot 397 00:25:48,025 --> 00:25:53,105 of feelings because ivy's got depth because and i can hear it in your voice too when i'm listening 398 00:25:53,105 --> 00:25:58,445 to your music and hearing it in the range of your voice and there's there are times when your voice 399 00:25:58,445 --> 00:26:03,105 is a little high on your you know as it is in the melodies and then there's times when like 400 00:26:03,105 --> 00:26:10,325 you go a little deeper and i can just there is a soul in your voice that i really really like 401 00:26:10,325 --> 00:26:15,385 too because it's you kind of you don't see it coming you know it kind of sneaks up because like 402 00:26:15,385 --> 00:26:18,845 like wow wow wow is one of those examples where the song kind of starts out and you're like on an 403 00:26:18,845 --> 00:26:24,285 upper register and then as it keeps going like you get a little bit a little bit of deepness a 404 00:26:24,285 --> 00:26:30,605 little bit of soul like you can feel it coming out and that's what's kind of cool wow that's a 405 00:26:30,605 --> 00:26:35,665 wow that's really amazing to hear thank you so much for sharing it's it's it's an energy in music 406 00:26:35,665 --> 00:26:39,625 And I like how you, like Bitcoin came to you, I think. 407 00:26:39,725 --> 00:26:46,465 And then the music came to you also kind of like this journey has gone on like the past five or six years since you started working in Bitcoin. 408 00:26:46,645 --> 00:26:50,865 And then it automatically kind of informed your music and comes out and your music. 409 00:26:51,085 --> 00:26:59,645 Like, of course, you probably fell hard and fast in love with Bitcoin because of your work or your day job. 410 00:26:59,645 --> 00:27:06,565 but also it just seems like it was kind of like a natural thing to embrace music in the way that 411 00:27:06,565 --> 00:27:12,045 you have and putting your music it's on fountain and it's you've got a geyser fund going and it 412 00:27:12,045 --> 00:27:17,065 just seems like this is so perfect and so natural that your music would come out and then you're 413 00:27:17,065 --> 00:27:24,145 kind of you're bringing it into the bitcoin space and just kind of showing what is possible for a 414 00:27:24,145 --> 00:27:30,345 music artist to, you know, earn in Bitcoin and support your music in Bitcoin? Like, how did you 415 00:27:30,345 --> 00:27:35,385 kind of, I guess, choose, like, did you choose to come to Fountain first? Or did you know about it 416 00:27:35,385 --> 00:27:42,505 because you're a podcaster? Right. I would say yes. I started connecting with Fountain when I, 417 00:27:42,505 --> 00:27:49,645 during my podcast days, and I had Nick, one of the co-founder from Fountain, came on my show as 418 00:27:49,645 --> 00:27:58,125 an early guest so I was um aware of the value for value concept going on and when I was starting to 419 00:27:58,125 --> 00:28:04,505 write music it was none of this was planned none of this was planned it was really I when I was 420 00:28:04,505 --> 00:28:09,685 starting writing songs I was at a low point in my life um I was in the year where I really lost 421 00:28:09,685 --> 00:28:15,505 everything like my mom was getting really really sick um I was breaking up from my long-term 422 00:28:15,505 --> 00:28:21,485 relationship of five, six years, and then I lost my job. And then the three of these things, 423 00:28:21,485 --> 00:28:29,465 they kind of happened in the period of two months. So it's like overnight, I changed a place to live 424 00:28:29,465 --> 00:28:37,745 and all of the legs that I was previously standing on and building myself on were completely 425 00:28:37,745 --> 00:28:45,825 collapsing. And back then, and then I was like out of a job, I was paying for myself, just 426 00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:51,545 getting by, selling Bitcoin on the way down because, you know, it's just part of life. 427 00:28:51,545 --> 00:28:57,905 But even back then, I knew that it's going to be ultimately an opportunity. And I really, 428 00:28:58,045 --> 00:29:03,725 really enjoyed very much the time I was unemployed. And then like networks, watching my networks 429 00:29:03,725 --> 00:29:09,505 going down because I was really taking care of myself. I was making an intentional choice. I was 430 00:29:09,505 --> 00:29:15,105 cooking every day. I was going to the gym every day. I went out for walks every day. By the time 431 00:29:15,105 --> 00:29:20,425 I was still unemployed and I went home and my dad was like, they had no idea. Like I never told them 432 00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:26,625 this happened. So in their head, I was like working all the time. And I went home and my dad's like, 433 00:29:26,625 --> 00:29:34,265 you've been away for 10 years and this is the time you look the best and and i uh-huh uh-huh 434 00:29:34,265 --> 00:29:40,285 and i was like little do you know that it's uh the the glow is coming from unemployment of course 435 00:29:40,285 --> 00:29:47,885 i didn't say that but i was like yes but yeah uh vibe with that but yeah for sure but but it was 436 00:29:47,885 --> 00:29:52,785 really the time that i i recognized okay like i can take care of myself and i should be taking 437 00:29:52,785 --> 00:29:58,085 care of myself and I should take this opportunity to rest because it's not gonna be like this 438 00:29:58,085 --> 00:30:03,285 forever and I will be busy again and I will be thinking that oh I should be taking the time to 439 00:30:03,285 --> 00:30:09,425 rest so I was really happy that it was the case and the music kind of came from in that process 440 00:30:09,425 --> 00:30:16,025 where I was really trying to figure things out myself and it was during a time that I was 441 00:30:16,025 --> 00:30:22,985 intensely traveling here and there and i would have these go through these stories have these 442 00:30:22,985 --> 00:30:28,925 interactions and conversations and with whatever i was struggling with at the time right and with 443 00:30:28,925 --> 00:30:35,585 the impression of that space so in the ep there were a few songs that was written after specific 444 00:30:35,585 --> 00:30:42,205 trips um there's the trip to berlin there's the trip to amsterdam there's trip to madeira like 445 00:30:42,205 --> 00:30:50,405 Those are all, I took these trips for Bitcoin because I traveled for work and then I lingered because I was there. 446 00:30:50,505 --> 00:30:53,285 I may as well take a break to explore. 447 00:30:53,865 --> 00:30:55,385 And then the song came that way. 448 00:30:55,385 --> 00:30:58,865 So there's a lot because of my involvement in Bitcoin. 449 00:30:59,165 --> 00:31:05,685 There's a lot of context of the stories behind and the locations of these songs. 450 00:31:05,685 --> 00:31:22,265 And I wish for whoever have traveled to these places for big conferences or your personal reasons, if you hear these songs that are constructed in a certain place, I hope you get to pick up a little bit of the vibe of that place because that's what I was trying to capture, too. 451 00:31:22,425 --> 00:31:22,685 Very cool. 452 00:31:22,765 --> 00:31:24,405 Okay, so wait, which song was which city? 453 00:31:24,485 --> 00:31:27,245 You mentioned Berlin and Madeira and where else? 454 00:31:28,245 --> 00:31:29,385 Amsterdam, Prague. 455 00:31:29,385 --> 00:31:35,645 Like, a lot of these trips are linked to different parts of the world. 456 00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:36,825 that I traveled to for Bitcoin. 457 00:31:37,705 --> 00:31:38,045 Wow. 458 00:31:38,245 --> 00:31:38,425 Okay. 459 00:31:38,545 --> 00:31:38,705 Okay. 460 00:31:38,765 --> 00:31:40,305 Because the songs are okay. 461 00:31:40,465 --> 00:31:43,865 So Berlin or Luft, that's got to be a song about Berlin, right? 462 00:31:44,205 --> 00:31:44,505 Yeah. 463 00:31:44,925 --> 00:31:45,225 Yes. 464 00:31:45,545 --> 00:31:45,845 Okay. 465 00:31:46,245 --> 00:31:46,645 Okay. 466 00:31:46,745 --> 00:31:48,525 So The Way You Are Only Human. 467 00:31:48,865 --> 00:32:08,791 Okay. This is your most streamed track, I think. And which city would that be connected to? That didn't really have, not all of the songs come from trips. So there were a few that I took inspirations and there were a few that kind of, like I drew inspiration from the diary over a course of time. 468 00:32:08,891 --> 00:32:11,031 And then it overlaps with some of the trips. 469 00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:14,851 So they all come slightly different sources. 470 00:32:15,111 --> 00:32:15,430 Okay. 471 00:32:15,631 --> 00:32:17,711 Does the Cure have a city tied to it? 472 00:32:17,711 --> 00:32:20,791 No, The Cure doesn't have. The Cure was actually the first song I wrote. 473 00:32:21,051 --> 00:32:27,751 Oh, cool. Okay, so we're getting some of the behind the scenes here. Okay, so No Time in Madera has obviously got to be connected to Madera. 474 00:32:27,891 --> 00:32:28,271 Yes. 475 00:32:28,651 --> 00:32:32,430 And then Follow the Wise Rabbit, the longest song, by the way. 476 00:32:32,430 --> 00:32:34,531 That's what I wrote after Prague. Yes. 477 00:32:34,631 --> 00:32:39,951 That's after Prague. Okay, cool. Okay, so that Prague-inspired Follow the Wise Rabbit. 478 00:32:40,151 --> 00:32:40,551 Yes. 479 00:32:40,691 --> 00:32:44,631 That is very cool. Okay, so that's now getting a little behind the scenes. 480 00:32:44,631 --> 00:32:50,831 Like you could if you're traveling to Bitcoin conferences, you now have kind of the official Bitcoin conference soundtrack. 481 00:32:51,151 --> 00:32:51,691 I love that. 482 00:32:52,731 --> 00:32:53,531 I did not know that. 483 00:32:53,731 --> 00:32:59,111 And you know how people go to different places and they build playlists while they're traveling to. 484 00:32:59,351 --> 00:33:08,591 And then whenever they listen to that playlist in the future, it brings back their memory and sometimes do the same thing with smells and like perfumes and food and sound. 485 00:33:08,591 --> 00:33:18,531 And yeah, like I just find it I'm extremely, extremely grateful for having the ability to to make my own time capsule, basically. 486 00:33:18,951 --> 00:33:22,971 I love it. I should add that you're you know, you're a real musician. 487 00:33:22,971 --> 00:33:28,331 You're not making like AI assisted music like you actually know what you're doing. 488 00:33:28,391 --> 00:33:30,091 Like you play keyboard, correct? 489 00:33:30,511 --> 00:33:32,131 Yes, I play keyboard. 490 00:33:32,131 --> 00:33:37,511 I started as a kid and then I started doing piano for a number of years. 491 00:33:37,511 --> 00:33:40,331 but I've always been a crappy instrument player. 492 00:33:40,551 --> 00:33:41,930 Like I've never been any good. 493 00:33:42,411 --> 00:33:44,771 That's why for decades I was like, 494 00:33:44,771 --> 00:33:46,051 I really love music. 495 00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:46,951 I like to sing, 496 00:33:47,051 --> 00:33:49,430 but I guess I'm just not that talented over here. 497 00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:52,411 I will be an admirer of music, 498 00:33:52,651 --> 00:33:55,091 but it was really when I started writing songs, 499 00:33:55,171 --> 00:33:57,791 I realized that was really something I was meant to do. 500 00:33:58,011 --> 00:33:59,251 Everything kind of came to you, 501 00:33:59,351 --> 00:34:00,811 like I guess from, 502 00:34:01,031 --> 00:34:01,831 maybe this is true, 503 00:34:01,891 --> 00:34:02,491 maybe this is not true. 504 00:34:02,531 --> 00:34:04,791 It just seems like everything came pouring in 505 00:34:04,791 --> 00:34:06,131 after you got into Bitcoin 506 00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:07,971 or after Bitcoin found you. 507 00:34:08,331 --> 00:34:09,371 Does that sound right? 508 00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:10,311 I would say so. 509 00:34:10,391 --> 00:34:13,631 But I would also say that in this very process, 510 00:34:13,631 --> 00:34:16,771 I've always been a very, very open person. 511 00:34:18,091 --> 00:34:24,550 I know my perceptor is not my knowledge. 512 00:34:24,751 --> 00:34:29,550 I know that I'm not navigating in this world from a fact-based perspective. 513 00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:34,191 So I really acknowledge on the fact that I don't know enough about anything. 514 00:34:34,191 --> 00:34:50,311 And my sensor, my way of navigating in this world is really emotions and the senses and the emotional response that the world triggers in me and then vice versa. 515 00:34:51,971 --> 00:34:57,990 So it's been a great journey learning about myself and learning about the world. 516 00:34:57,990 --> 00:35:08,331 And to stay open in that process, it means I was able to really reflect on the random conversations I had. 517 00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:10,291 And I'm a deterministic person. 518 00:35:10,411 --> 00:35:12,271 I don't know about you, but I'm deterministic. 519 00:35:12,571 --> 00:35:14,191 So everything happens. 520 00:35:14,371 --> 00:35:17,291 I believe that everything happens for a reason, for the better. 521 00:35:17,291 --> 00:35:33,611 So I look into, I try to look into the meaning or the intention behind each random interaction, random conversation and see what is this conversation trying to tell me that will be helpful for me? 522 00:35:33,711 --> 00:35:34,951 Like, what do I need to know? 523 00:35:35,191 --> 00:35:36,771 Why this happened now? 524 00:35:36,951 --> 00:35:38,030 What do I need to know here? 525 00:35:38,071 --> 00:35:45,030 So I'm constantly asking myself these questions and I am not too pride to be a student. 526 00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:51,471 And this is where being Asian has really helped me because growing up, I'm a good student. 527 00:35:51,631 --> 00:35:52,530 I've always studied. 528 00:35:52,751 --> 00:35:58,990 And this is how, as an Asian kid, I get a little bit more chance and time to play. 529 00:35:59,231 --> 00:36:09,331 So if I were a good student at school, if I were to be top of my class, then I have a little bit more flexibility at home in terms of how much I can play, how much I can be on my computer. 530 00:36:09,331 --> 00:36:12,071 the lens of my hair, for example. 531 00:36:12,491 --> 00:36:16,631 Because in school, you're supposed to have short hair 532 00:36:16,631 --> 00:36:18,391 and at a certain lens, 533 00:36:18,631 --> 00:36:20,451 and you could get in trouble as a girl 534 00:36:20,451 --> 00:36:21,731 if you have long hair 535 00:36:21,731 --> 00:36:24,611 because they don't want you to be focusing on beauty 536 00:36:24,611 --> 00:36:25,451 as a teenager. 537 00:36:25,851 --> 00:36:27,591 But because I had good grades, like nobody cared. 538 00:36:27,871 --> 00:36:29,510 Like it's these things, these things. 539 00:36:29,711 --> 00:36:32,091 And I would like to get a little bit more privilege, 540 00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:34,471 a little bit more freedom as a good student. 541 00:36:34,691 --> 00:36:39,111 And that has helped me help with humility, I guess, 542 00:36:39,111 --> 00:36:44,591 of taking advice from people and listening to them and actually do what they say. I think that's 543 00:36:44,591 --> 00:36:49,631 important. The beginner mindset is so important. I never want to be the smartest person in the room. 544 00:36:49,931 --> 00:36:54,571 Like I never I never want to say, oh, I already know that, you know, like mansplaining is a 545 00:36:54,571 --> 00:37:00,951 different thing. But but I never want to feel like I know everything because then what is left? 546 00:37:01,050 --> 00:37:06,751 You know, I think everybody can teach me something. Even maybe people I don't like so much even have 547 00:37:06,751 --> 00:37:12,530 something to teach me. Everything is a teacher. Everything in life is a teacher. And if you can 548 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:17,550 kind of like, you know, bring it back to love, if you love yourself and you don't identify so much 549 00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:24,971 in your ego, then yeah, you can absolutely be open to, you know, even taking criticism. You know, 550 00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:29,331 everything's information. Like if you just look at things and go, okay, maybe that hurts my ego a 551 00:37:29,331 --> 00:37:33,391 little bit. Maybe it hurts my feelings, but that's information. That's information I can use. And then 552 00:37:33,391 --> 00:37:39,951 And I stay like moldable and flexible rather than just like, you know, like I can't look in any other direction. 553 00:37:39,951 --> 00:37:41,711 Right. It's got to be my way or the highway. 554 00:37:41,711 --> 00:37:48,151 Like it's life is so much less fun if you get into that control freak, like black and white thinking mode. 555 00:37:48,291 --> 00:37:50,871 And I think Bitcoiners are some of the best thinkers. 556 00:37:51,111 --> 00:37:54,111 I mean, we question the question everything. 557 00:37:54,111 --> 00:38:00,111 And so like it's just so refreshing for somebody to say, hey, I'd rather be humble, you know, because we say that a lot in Bitcoin. 558 00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:07,631 We say we're going to stay humble and stack sats, but, you know, not everybody's good at the humble part. 559 00:38:08,471 --> 00:38:16,671 But see, but at the same time, I find myself struggling on the control freak aspect, too, because I am very particular. 560 00:38:17,331 --> 00:38:20,550 And I feel like you kind of need to be with your craft. 561 00:38:20,811 --> 00:38:29,151 Like you need to be very particular and know what you want and know to not cave on anything lesser than that. 562 00:38:29,151 --> 00:38:34,711 And there's certain type of paranoia that you kind of need to go into that direction. 563 00:38:34,891 --> 00:38:36,091 But there's a healthy balance. 564 00:38:36,191 --> 00:38:38,711 And I find myself struggling on this front too. 565 00:38:38,891 --> 00:38:43,351 Because on one hand, I'm very, on that sense, I'm a very bipolar person. 566 00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:48,431 And I have friends describing me as you are extremes between fine lines. 567 00:38:48,891 --> 00:38:51,530 And I agree because I'm really like that. 568 00:38:51,530 --> 00:39:01,091 And it's a lot of the songs, the music, and what I'm doing, it's very much about duality. 569 00:39:01,691 --> 00:39:06,510 And it's about the message that it's not about either or, it's that it's both and. 570 00:39:06,871 --> 00:39:10,191 And it's really two things at the same time. 571 00:39:10,311 --> 00:39:12,931 And it's because there's only one thing. 572 00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:15,631 And it's just the two sides of the one thing. 573 00:39:15,711 --> 00:39:19,891 And there's not even necessarily good or bad about that. 574 00:39:19,891 --> 00:39:23,530 So I think that awareness has also helped me in the past. 575 00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:28,431 Yeah, as we mature, we get out of the black and white, either or thinking. 576 00:39:28,791 --> 00:39:31,091 And we get into more gray areas. 577 00:39:31,271 --> 00:39:33,931 I mean, we grow a little tolerance, hopefully, as we get older. 578 00:39:34,671 --> 00:39:36,751 Not everybody does, but hopefully. 579 00:39:37,211 --> 00:39:41,691 That's my goal, anyways, to be like a little bit more laid back with each passing year. 580 00:39:41,851 --> 00:39:48,091 Now, you've got, if you're just tuning in, Ivy Lumi, this is the guest this week on Radio Detox. 581 00:39:48,091 --> 00:39:54,030 I think she is very detoxed from the fiat system and also the fiat music system. 582 00:39:54,391 --> 00:40:01,711 I imagine you probably have your music on places like Apple and Spotify, just because you kind of probably just do. 583 00:40:01,911 --> 00:40:05,651 Well, yeah, because that's a very specific approach that I've decided to take. 584 00:40:05,791 --> 00:40:09,451 Like I said, Ivy Lumi is not just here to heal Bitcoiners. 585 00:40:09,911 --> 00:40:12,111 And I'm here for everybody. 586 00:40:12,591 --> 00:40:15,111 And I don't want to discriminate against. 587 00:40:15,111 --> 00:40:18,931 If you're not a Bitcoin, I'm not going to bother with my healing message. 588 00:40:19,131 --> 00:40:19,871 I'm not going to be that. 589 00:40:20,671 --> 00:40:28,251 And then I understand there's this purity preference going on, I guess. 590 00:40:28,411 --> 00:40:32,451 And sometimes I post, there was one time I posted a wow, wow, wow music video on Nostar. 591 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:38,710 And because right now Nostar doesn't allow you to upload file up to a certain size, 592 00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:41,451 like that was my only option to paste a YouTube video. 593 00:40:41,451 --> 00:40:44,931 And there were people commenting on, oh, this is a decentralized platform. 594 00:40:45,111 --> 00:40:48,191 And you're posting YouTube like, what the heck? 595 00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:49,951 And I get that. 596 00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:50,811 I get that. 597 00:40:50,811 --> 00:40:55,631 But at the same time, like I am here to focus on building and I'm here to build for everyone. 598 00:40:56,191 --> 00:41:04,471 And I don't want to make the distinction and waste my energy on deciding I'm going to give to you and not you. 599 00:41:04,791 --> 00:41:14,591 And if you resonate with my music, I believe the universe will find you a way to Ivy Lumi regardless. 600 00:41:14,591 --> 00:41:43,491 Yeah, don't let the purists drag you down. I mean, there is a lot of that on Noster. And it's, I think it's a very low brow energy. I think it's a very low vibe energy of like, every artist still is on traditional platforms, leave them alone. It's part of the gig. It's part of the music business. You will be on YouTube, and TikTok and Instagram, or, you know, some combination of them. And it doesn't mean that we like being there. You know, it doesn't doesn't mean we're having a good time there. 601 00:41:43,491 --> 00:41:49,651 Every day I have to worry about all my YouTube channels and copyright strikes, whether I deserve them or not. 602 00:41:49,791 --> 00:41:51,631 You know, there's no recourse if you get one. 603 00:41:52,111 --> 00:41:56,791 And it doesn't matter if you did a bad thing and violated a copyright or not. 604 00:41:57,071 --> 00:42:02,131 It's just that if you get a strike, anybody can do that and try to take you down. 605 00:42:02,231 --> 00:42:07,530 And so I just kind of like wait for the day when YouTube takes down, you know, one of my channels. 606 00:42:07,530 --> 00:42:12,710 but for the time being, you know, myself as a creator, a lot of people as creators 607 00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:18,731 are still doing, you know, afoot, I think, in both worlds where, yeah, you're going to be on 608 00:42:18,731 --> 00:42:24,091 YouTube and, yeah, you're going to share a link to a YouTube video on Noster and anybody who gets 609 00:42:24,091 --> 00:42:30,611 mad about that is probably, to me, in my opinion, focused on the wrong things. You know, Ivy Loomy 610 00:42:30,611 --> 00:42:36,651 has got great art and that's what we should be focusing on is her good music and the fact that 611 00:42:36,651 --> 00:42:38,591 You actually, you're in this ecosystem. 612 00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:41,611 You do a lot around here in the Bitcoin world. 613 00:42:41,871 --> 00:42:46,131 And I think it's great to, you're a BitCleaner who is on Noster. 614 00:42:46,351 --> 00:42:48,331 People should just be happy about that. 615 00:42:48,631 --> 00:42:54,111 And you also are using Geyser to fundraise for your campaign right now. 616 00:42:54,111 --> 00:43:04,651 And I think this is so cool because now I can support you and all the rest of the artists that I love on Fountain and or Wave Lake and or Noster. 617 00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:07,451 Like I can, I can just zap whatever you post on Noster. 618 00:43:07,571 --> 00:43:08,530 I can listen to your podcast. 619 00:43:08,631 --> 00:43:09,631 I can zap you there. 620 00:43:09,771 --> 00:43:10,991 I can listen to your music. 621 00:43:11,111 --> 00:43:12,491 I can zap boost there. 622 00:43:12,611 --> 00:43:18,291 And then like what I did today, I got on Geyser and I love that you've got this Geyser page, 623 00:43:18,571 --> 00:43:22,971 this Geyser fund and people can contribute, which I highly recommend. 624 00:43:23,091 --> 00:43:24,011 I contributed today. 625 00:43:24,271 --> 00:43:26,951 So, you know, I put my, my sats where my mouth is. 626 00:43:26,951 --> 00:43:31,831 And one of the things that I thought was so interesting about your Geyser page is you're 627 00:43:31,831 --> 00:43:36,891 Actually, you have 16 days left on the day we're recording this on Thursday, March 5th. 628 00:43:36,911 --> 00:43:39,751 So she's got a little more, you know, the two weeks to go. 629 00:43:40,171 --> 00:43:45,011 Your Geyser fund is actually you're not asking for that much. 630 00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:49,831 You're asking for 500,000 sacks, which is about $357. 631 00:43:50,151 --> 00:43:51,351 That's not even that much. 632 00:43:51,351 --> 00:43:55,571 I think people should be running to fund your Geyser campaign right now. 633 00:43:56,091 --> 00:43:57,391 I'm trying to make it. 634 00:43:57,991 --> 00:43:59,931 The whole concept is love is the cure. 635 00:44:00,050 --> 00:44:00,251 Right. 636 00:44:00,251 --> 00:44:06,311 And then I really want to make something that you can hold on to, like a little reminder. 637 00:44:06,591 --> 00:44:11,691 And I feel like sometimes we need these little manifests of love, these little reminders. 638 00:44:11,991 --> 00:44:13,191 And it can be anything, really. 639 00:44:13,471 --> 00:44:14,411 It can be a note. 640 00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:15,371 It can be a card. 641 00:44:15,451 --> 00:44:16,391 It can be a keychain. 642 00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:17,311 It can be a necklace. 643 00:44:17,691 --> 00:44:22,851 But it's really about can you see something and get reminded that first, you are loved. 644 00:44:23,411 --> 00:44:24,971 Second, that you're enough. 645 00:44:25,291 --> 00:44:29,371 And third, that there's still so much more in the world to explore. 646 00:44:29,371 --> 00:44:36,791 so get up and feel positive like don't soak over whatever and go out and explore and there's so 647 00:44:36,791 --> 00:44:42,550 much love and light and hope outside and let's not focus on the bad things only so it's really 648 00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:49,351 about how can i create something that's connected to my music and my message and for some people 649 00:44:49,351 --> 00:44:55,271 something people can hold on to because with everything being deep fake more and more ai 650 00:44:55,271 --> 00:45:01,491 generated more and more isolated we need these little things as humans to hold on to so you can 651 00:45:01,491 --> 00:45:07,731 see in the gazer campaign there's a lot of things going on there um i really along with the original 652 00:45:07,731 --> 00:45:16,050 the cure there's a um i released a line of six pin collection it's a pin collection with six pins 653 00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:23,050 with five pins generated from the from the the cure ep and one pin of my logo um these songs are 654 00:45:23,050 --> 00:45:29,151 designed by my creative director f-zero um it's collaboration with him and then these songs are 655 00:45:29,151 --> 00:45:35,731 coming from the essence of the songs of the cure ep so the the catalog we went through you asked me 656 00:45:35,731 --> 00:45:42,071 where did you write these each of them is now a pin that you can hold on to that has some essence 657 00:45:42,071 --> 00:45:50,271 of the song attached and then on top of that i also have um a cd recording five songs from the 658 00:45:50,271 --> 00:45:55,111 the Cure EP as well as two bonus singles that I have released ever since. 659 00:45:55,351 --> 00:45:55,831 I love this. 660 00:45:55,931 --> 00:45:58,991 Everybody's got to get in on this because, first of all, 661 00:45:59,071 --> 00:46:01,811 Geyser does these campaigns and they are all or nothing campaigns. 662 00:46:01,811 --> 00:46:04,030 So we've got to fund her. 663 00:46:04,751 --> 00:46:05,931 Otherwise, I get my money back. 664 00:46:05,991 --> 00:46:06,811 I don't want my money back. 665 00:46:07,191 --> 00:46:09,611 I want it to go to you and to your funding. 666 00:46:10,091 --> 00:46:11,871 But also, these are kind of collector's items. 667 00:46:12,071 --> 00:46:14,751 And I don't know about you or anybody else listening, 668 00:46:14,831 --> 00:46:18,030 but I'm going to assume Radio Detox listeners are all about 669 00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:23,371 not just being able to contribute to something that helps artists like Bitcoin does, like Nostra 670 00:46:23,371 --> 00:46:28,530 does, like Geyser Fund does, like Fountain, Wave, like this whole ecosystem that we've been building 671 00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:32,831 for years now. Like, I know people want to support that, but also like you get a little collectible 672 00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:38,431 here. Like, this is fun. Like, I got a Nostra badge and like, I can go back. I can get, I can 673 00:46:38,431 --> 00:46:42,431 get one of these collectible pins, which are really cute, by the way. I love this one where 674 00:46:42,431 --> 00:46:48,491 it's like the it's a clock and every every part of the clock says now instead of a number because 675 00:46:48,491 --> 00:46:54,710 the time is now do these uh reflect individual songs or just is it just part of your i don't 676 00:46:54,710 --> 00:47:00,131 know your aesthetic your vibe it's actually uh it's from an individual song guess which 677 00:47:00,131 --> 00:47:07,811 oh which oh okay so now the the one with the clock that says now on every number would be 678 00:47:07,811 --> 00:47:10,311 I'm going to guess no time in Madeira. 679 00:47:10,891 --> 00:47:12,131 That's the wrong answer. 680 00:47:13,511 --> 00:47:17,550 The song behind this is Follow the Wise Rabbit. 681 00:47:17,871 --> 00:47:27,851 And if you look at the pin, the clock, the inside of the clock is the historical clock in Prague. 682 00:47:28,151 --> 00:47:30,191 Oh, the famous. 683 00:47:30,311 --> 00:47:31,831 Okay, so this is cool. 684 00:47:31,831 --> 00:47:39,530 okay so folks are really gonna love uh getting a little little piece of ivy loomy and not just 685 00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:44,871 your music but your creativity overall and that there's actually a story behind all this this is 686 00:47:44,871 --> 00:48:00,076 this is what we've been missing i think like i think artist mainstream artists like the big ones like taylor swift es this kind of thing, right? Where like she has eras and there's a whole story behind it. And then people buy tickets to her shows and they show up dressed up in, you know, certain era 687 00:48:00,076 --> 00:48:06,236 related outfits. So like, this is kind of like that where like we feel like we're really true 688 00:48:06,236 --> 00:48:11,476 fans. Like we know you through your music, like we know your music and we just kind of like get 689 00:48:11,476 --> 00:48:17,596 that opportunity to have that relationship as fans do you because you're releasing your music 690 00:48:17,596 --> 00:48:22,616 in the value verse do you feel like you're having that good peer-to-peer like one-to-one relationship 691 00:48:22,616 --> 00:48:26,596 with your fans like do you actually know the people who are listening to your music yeah i'm 692 00:48:26,596 --> 00:48:32,316 starting i'm starting to to have that because i'm such a new artist and i i'm not previously in the 693 00:48:32,316 --> 00:48:37,856 music industry i'm just for me it started as something to document and for something to reflect 694 00:48:37,856 --> 00:48:44,636 on myself and then it became something that wow maybe i can heal more people through these 695 00:48:44,636 --> 00:48:50,256 and in this very to this very day i'm every single day in the process of becoming ivy loomy 696 00:48:50,256 --> 00:48:57,136 because what she represents and what she could represent for bitcoiners for bitcoiner and beyond 697 00:48:57,136 --> 00:49:04,456 i i want to help through that vessel and it's interesting you mentioned taylor swift because 698 00:49:04,456 --> 00:49:13,476 I was thinking to myself, we have Bitcoin artists, we have Bitcoin musicians sing about Bitcoin at Bitcoin conferences, and it's a blast. 699 00:49:13,636 --> 00:49:17,956 And I always love this experience, bringing people together, and we need that. 700 00:49:18,076 --> 00:49:20,456 But at the same time, how about the other people? 701 00:49:20,636 --> 00:49:28,196 How about people who are not into technology, not into finance, but they may be the people who need Bitcoin the most. 702 00:49:28,196 --> 00:49:39,796 Because if I have, if I get to save $5 a month, I'm not going to have the bandwidth to think about generational wealth, no matter what you say about Bitcoin becoming general. 703 00:49:39,856 --> 00:49:40,876 It's just not relevant. 704 00:49:41,036 --> 00:49:44,756 I have $5 to save and I have all these obligations, right? 705 00:49:44,756 --> 00:49:46,016 It's just not realistic. 706 00:49:46,516 --> 00:49:54,676 So how can we, I'm trying to reach these people through love and it's a daily practice, really. 707 00:49:54,676 --> 00:49:57,916 Love and music and it all goes together. 708 00:49:58,196 --> 00:50:04,056 If you could create a concert, I guess, from artists who are in the value verse, it doesn't 709 00:50:04,056 --> 00:50:08,436 have to be people who are like super crazy Nostra people or super into Bitcoin, like 710 00:50:08,436 --> 00:50:14,836 any music that you have listened to that's, you know, independent in the value verse, 711 00:50:15,016 --> 00:50:19,876 maybe some artists that you know or would want to perform with and do like a live concert, 712 00:50:19,996 --> 00:50:22,316 maybe at one of these conferences, maybe somewhere else. 713 00:50:22,316 --> 00:50:27,076 But like, what would your dream lineup be or dream concert anywhere in the world? 714 00:50:27,076 --> 00:50:29,736 any musicians that you could perform with? 715 00:50:29,796 --> 00:50:31,236 Because of course you would be on the bill. 716 00:50:33,536 --> 00:50:34,656 That's a good question. 717 00:50:34,896 --> 00:50:37,536 I want to be performing with my friends. 718 00:50:37,536 --> 00:50:39,316 Over the past couple of years, 719 00:50:39,616 --> 00:50:42,816 in the process of becoming a musician 720 00:50:42,816 --> 00:50:44,316 in the Bitcoin space, 721 00:50:44,376 --> 00:50:45,676 I would say it's really the best thing 722 00:50:45,676 --> 00:50:48,136 because we already have so many great artists 723 00:50:48,136 --> 00:50:52,276 that support the initiatives around Value for Value 724 00:50:52,276 --> 00:50:54,276 or really operating on that vein 725 00:50:54,276 --> 00:50:56,856 and are creating incredible art. 726 00:50:56,856 --> 00:51:00,336 and I've learned so much from them in the past couple years. 727 00:51:00,336 --> 00:51:05,736 So my dream lineup would be to perform with my friends as a musician 728 00:51:05,736 --> 00:51:10,196 because before I was only being there as a participant, right? 729 00:51:10,216 --> 00:51:18,316 I'm only starting to line up and trying to get live gigs with events just starting now 730 00:51:18,316 --> 00:51:21,976 with a million things in the pipeline and not much help, right? 731 00:51:22,096 --> 00:51:25,756 So yeah, if your event is interested, hit me up 732 00:51:25,756 --> 00:51:30,036 And I would love to find ways to collaborate with communities in the space. 733 00:51:30,936 --> 00:51:36,376 And even beyond Bitcoin space, like I said, I'm here to not here just for Bitcoiners. 734 00:51:37,196 --> 00:51:40,056 Yeah, she's here for music and everything else. 735 00:51:40,116 --> 00:51:44,676 Well, here for love, but, you know, here for all of this, this wonderful creativity. 736 00:51:45,556 --> 00:51:47,796 And, you know, what do you think of Nostra? 737 00:51:47,836 --> 00:51:48,996 I know you like Nostra. 738 00:51:49,076 --> 00:51:54,936 I know you told Avi on PubChain Radio that you probably spend more time on Nostra than Twitter these days. 739 00:51:54,936 --> 00:52:21,776 That's 100% true. And I was looking at my feed on Twitter. I was like, I really don't feel bad of ditching my existing community on Twitter to switch Noster. Nobody's on there. And I really enjoy the crowd of Noster. I now have some supporters. They've been following my work for a while. So really shout out to you guys. You know, you're who. 740 00:52:21,776 --> 00:52:34,756 And every day with the interaction of Nostra and how clear the value is signaled, I'm more bullish and more hopeful every day building on Nostra. 741 00:52:35,116 --> 00:52:37,536 Yay. Are you into vibe coding at all? 742 00:52:37,676 --> 00:52:38,956 I mean, you mentioned building on Nostra. 743 00:52:39,056 --> 00:52:44,556 Are you into any of that or are you just there to like hang out and use it for, you know, social things and music things? 744 00:52:44,556 --> 00:52:47,016 I wouldn't say I'm a coder. 745 00:52:47,016 --> 00:52:53,896 And it's going to be, I know it's an interesting rabbit hole I'm yet to explore. 746 00:52:54,116 --> 00:52:58,616 And I'm a little bit scared to go on that rabbit hole because there's so many other things going on. 747 00:52:58,676 --> 00:53:01,996 I'm really trying to be mindful of the priority here. 748 00:53:02,256 --> 00:53:12,596 And I want to remain kind of authentic as much as possible in the music and lean into that a bit more. 749 00:53:13,036 --> 00:53:15,896 So maybe one day, maybe one day. 750 00:53:15,896 --> 00:53:19,996 I feel like I would be into that just because everybody will have to. 751 00:53:20,836 --> 00:53:21,276 Yeah. 752 00:53:21,376 --> 00:53:25,036 The next time you ever have some downtime, like we certainly don't want you to be unemployed 753 00:53:25,036 --> 00:53:25,656 ever again. 754 00:53:25,796 --> 00:53:30,696 But, you know, if you ever have like some vacation time, you know, just some time to go down the 755 00:53:30,696 --> 00:53:34,596 vibe coding rabbit hole, it would actually be interesting to see, you know, what someone 756 00:53:34,596 --> 00:53:39,336 like yourself who is well-versed in Bitcoin and well-versed in Noster and music and, you 757 00:53:39,336 --> 00:53:42,176 know, the value verse or value for value, whatever we want to call it. 758 00:53:42,176 --> 00:53:46,436 it would be interesting to see what you might vibe code and like what you might come up with. 759 00:53:46,496 --> 00:53:50,436 Like, would you come up with a music thing or just something else? Like that's, that's always 760 00:53:50,436 --> 00:53:54,836 what interests me about what people come up with because it's, it's really another tool for 761 00:53:54,836 --> 00:54:01,096 creativity and like, gosh, nobody is as creative as someone who makes music. You know, that's, 762 00:54:01,156 --> 00:54:06,656 you guys are the best. Like it's not just like, it's a gift. Like you have a gift. I can, I cannot 763 00:54:06,656 --> 00:54:11,656 sing like you do. I cannot come up with melodies like you do. And, and everything you put out from 764 00:54:11,656 --> 00:54:18,856 The way you set up your Geyser campaign and have these pins that go with your songs to the wow, wow, wow music video. 765 00:54:19,336 --> 00:54:21,956 Like you're just pure creativity, Ivy. 766 00:54:22,076 --> 00:54:23,076 We love this. 767 00:54:23,076 --> 00:54:23,936 We need more. 768 00:54:24,076 --> 00:54:28,556 We need about 100 more of you in this space at least. 769 00:54:29,436 --> 00:54:30,036 Yes, please. 770 00:54:30,256 --> 00:54:32,876 And this is not a solo effort. 771 00:54:33,076 --> 00:54:36,276 I have a small yet very good team. 772 00:54:36,276 --> 00:54:42,476 And I have a few really good and close collaborators who have always been there for me whenever I needed it. 773 00:54:42,556 --> 00:54:45,396 They've been supporting my music journey from the very beginning. 774 00:54:45,736 --> 00:54:47,536 So it is a community effort. 775 00:54:47,776 --> 00:54:55,396 And in the end, the journey of me becoming Ivy Lumi is more than one person stepping up to write songs. 776 00:54:55,396 --> 00:55:03,196 It's about how her and her community can come together and heal the world through love and hope. 777 00:55:03,196 --> 00:55:28,376 And this is my, you may think that this is a real like lunatic thing to say, but this is my real ambition is. And if we think about how mainstream artists come out and Taylor Swift come out and say, I'm getting married and how the Twitter just broke down over that. What if we have something, what if we have an artist mainstream on a global scale come out and say, I'm into Bitcoin? Like what will happen then? 778 00:55:28,376 --> 00:55:30,056 Oh, God. It would be great. 779 00:55:30,436 --> 00:55:35,796 Yeah, exactly. Right. So we need to do that now as Bitcoiners, as a collective. 780 00:55:35,796 --> 00:55:44,876 We really do. And like, I know that there are some artists out there who are kind of mainstream or extremely mainstream and behind the scenes, they're Bitcoiners. 781 00:55:45,176 --> 00:55:52,256 But mainstream wise, it's still they're told by their managers, you know, hey, you don't want to mention that word. 782 00:55:52,256 --> 00:55:58,356 Or like if you say Bitcoin on Instagram, that's kind of a result in an instant shadow. 783 00:55:59,056 --> 00:56:03,556 And, you know, like I haven't experienced that yet with Bitcoin content on YouTube. 784 00:56:03,796 --> 00:56:06,256 Like, well, Bitcoiners are doing great on YouTube. Right. 785 00:56:06,356 --> 00:56:10,296 Shout out to people. People are doing great like Walker or BTC Sessions. 786 00:56:10,296 --> 00:56:13,656 I think one or both of them have had their stuff taken down, too. 787 00:56:13,796 --> 00:56:17,076 Like it's certainly simply Bitcoin has had their stuff taken down, too. 788 00:56:17,276 --> 00:56:20,316 And, you know, they give you no recourse. They don't tell you why. 789 00:56:20,316 --> 00:56:27,016 You can just kind of guess, you know, oh, I bet they got taken down because they mentioned Bitcoin or they mentioned some other thing. 790 00:56:27,196 --> 00:56:30,236 And so, like, that's why I say I'm just waiting to be taken down at some point. 791 00:56:30,896 --> 00:56:32,756 And I see people get their accounts back. 792 00:56:32,816 --> 00:56:39,156 But, you know, you go down for like three weeks or whatever while you try to work with YouTube, Meta, Google, whoever is taking you down. 793 00:56:39,436 --> 00:56:41,536 Certainly had my Instagram taken down once, too. 794 00:56:41,916 --> 00:56:45,116 Not for anything I said, but because somebody reported me dead. 795 00:56:45,116 --> 00:56:51,856 And I'm sure there was another person with my name who actually probably did pass away, but I got taken down for a few weeks on my Instagram. 796 00:56:52,016 --> 00:56:53,076 And that was 2019. 797 00:56:53,396 --> 00:56:59,856 And that's sort of where I started to fall out of love with the big tech, with the mainstream legacy platforms. 798 00:56:59,976 --> 00:57:04,696 Well, we didn't have an alternative yet in 2019 like we do now with Noster. 799 00:57:05,016 --> 00:57:11,656 And so every once in a while, I like to ask a guest like yourself who is passionate about Noster and you like Noster. 800 00:57:11,656 --> 00:57:21,896 So I want to know if you have any thoughts about what must we do to ensure that NOSTER cannot fail? 801 00:57:23,436 --> 00:57:27,736 I would say it's the same thing for every work. 802 00:57:27,876 --> 00:57:33,416 It goes beyond NOSTER, just people extending kindness to themselves and others. 803 00:57:33,416 --> 00:57:36,636 Because I get it. 804 00:57:36,636 --> 00:57:44,996 You don't see the person and we're having all these heated conversations because the world is chaotic and truth is chaotic. 805 00:57:45,476 --> 00:57:50,476 But can we not lose ourselves in that process? 806 00:57:50,756 --> 00:57:55,716 Have come from a place of kindness, not I'm right, you're not. 807 00:57:55,716 --> 00:58:04,696 The reason why I have been able to lean into my creative practice is because I know I'm not right. 808 00:58:04,696 --> 00:58:10,516 I know that I don't know enough and I'm open to be proven wrong. 809 00:58:10,636 --> 00:58:12,576 I'm open to get hurt. 810 00:58:13,096 --> 00:58:20,616 And I remember a lot of these songs were written in a time where I was leaning into the heartbreaks. 811 00:58:20,696 --> 00:58:27,076 I was leaning into suffering because I wanted to get to the bottom of this to know what do I need in love. 812 00:58:27,076 --> 00:58:37,156 And I think we need to, on Noster or Beyond, we need to allow ourselves to be more uncomfortable for once. 813 00:58:37,796 --> 00:58:38,856 Like be wrong. 814 00:58:39,176 --> 00:58:40,336 And lean into that discomfort. 815 00:58:40,556 --> 00:58:40,796 Yeah. 816 00:58:41,176 --> 00:58:41,416 Yeah. 817 00:58:41,536 --> 00:58:43,436 Like, don't be so argumentative. 818 00:58:43,656 --> 00:58:46,716 Like, let someone correct you or let someone challenge you. 819 00:58:46,916 --> 00:58:50,076 You know, like, not every opinion I have is correct. 820 00:58:50,416 --> 00:58:54,276 You know, I'm sometimes stuck in my ways. 821 00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:55,096 Like, I get it. 822 00:58:55,136 --> 00:58:55,916 I'll die on a hill. 823 00:58:55,916 --> 00:59:02,596 I'll have a strong opinion about something, but is it just based on a feeling or is it based on a fact? 824 00:59:02,736 --> 00:59:06,116 And if I need to be corrected, could there be a nice way to do it? 825 00:59:06,956 --> 00:59:10,456 And I can do the same thing to other people. 826 00:59:10,636 --> 00:59:13,316 I can be nice and kind and loving too. 827 00:59:13,436 --> 00:59:18,636 And remember that our friend Ivy Lumi says love is the cure and that we need to practice more kindness. 828 00:59:18,796 --> 00:59:20,296 We need more people like you. 829 00:59:20,296 --> 00:59:22,456 Can I duplicate you? 830 00:59:22,576 --> 00:59:23,536 Can I clone you? 831 00:59:23,536 --> 00:59:30,636 and get more, more folks like you in the value verse and just get more people, you know, 832 00:59:30,656 --> 00:59:35,636 listening to you for sure, supporting on Geyser. And one of the things I love about Geyser is it 833 00:59:35,636 --> 00:59:40,916 works with Noster. So when I do support someone like Ivy Lumi on Geyser, that it's going to post 834 00:59:40,916 --> 00:59:46,516 to Noster for me and people are going to be like, oh, what's this? You know, you know, like, oh, 835 00:59:46,516 --> 00:59:50,676 what is, what is she doing? Why is she supporting that? What is this? And hopefully like somebody 836 00:59:50,676 --> 00:59:56,036 else comes in and hears your music just because I like, you know, did a little thing and made a 837 00:59:56,036 --> 01:00:01,836 little post and shared your music and maybe more people will come to you because they listen to 838 01:00:01,836 --> 01:00:08,496 Radio Detox and, you know, more people will find everything that you do, which is a lot. She does 839 01:00:08,496 --> 01:00:13,056 a lot around here, folks. We're just we're concentrating on her music right now because I 840 01:00:13,056 --> 01:00:18,696 think that's the most important message. I want to I want to see your Geyser Fund campaign get 841 01:00:18,696 --> 01:00:20,676 fully funded. I want to see all the musicians' 842 01:00:20,936 --> 01:00:22,456 campaigns get fully funded. So 843 01:00:22,456 --> 01:00:24,636 people need to go on Geyser. Go find 844 01:00:24,636 --> 01:00:26,576 Ivy Lumi. Just, you know, click 845 01:00:26,576 --> 01:00:28,256 the zap button, folks. 846 01:00:28,496 --> 01:00:29,856 Just participate here. 847 01:00:30,416 --> 01:00:32,696 Her success means more success for 848 01:00:32,696 --> 01:00:34,676 more people. And that means 849 01:00:34,676 --> 01:00:36,596 growing the space and growing the ecosystem 850 01:00:36,596 --> 01:00:38,936 and then, you know, maybe 851 01:00:38,936 --> 01:00:40,636 somebody watching 852 01:00:40,636 --> 01:00:42,536 this on YouTube or listening on Fountain 853 01:00:42,536 --> 01:00:44,456 hears this and goes, okay, 854 01:00:44,596 --> 01:00:46,656 she said it very early, but 855 01:00:46,656 --> 01:00:48,356 she's also a little bit ahead of me and like, 856 01:00:48,356 --> 01:00:54,796 I really like her music and maybe someday I can do what she's doing and maybe we'll do a concert together somewhere. 857 01:00:54,996 --> 01:00:55,896 And it could be Hong Kong. 858 01:00:55,996 --> 01:00:56,676 It could be anywhere. 859 01:00:56,956 --> 01:00:58,916 But, you know, that's what I want. 860 01:00:58,976 --> 01:01:02,536 I want more people to hear this and go, that person is doing it. 861 01:01:02,596 --> 01:01:03,876 So I want to do it. 862 01:01:03,956 --> 01:01:06,036 Like, I could do what Ivy Loomies is doing. 863 01:01:06,596 --> 01:01:10,236 You know, that's what we need because that would be so fun. 864 01:01:10,236 --> 01:01:12,536 Can you imagine Bitcoin conferences? 865 01:01:12,536 --> 01:01:14,956 if we're at Bitcoin conferences 866 01:01:14,956 --> 01:01:17,996 and there's a whole bunch of Ivy Loomies 867 01:01:17,996 --> 01:01:20,316 and there's just a whole bunch of people 868 01:01:20,316 --> 01:01:21,476 who are like you 869 01:01:21,476 --> 01:01:24,536 and we could have like a massive music festival 870 01:01:24,536 --> 01:01:25,716 at a Bitcoin conference 871 01:01:25,716 --> 01:01:29,976 like you, Roger 9000, Ainsley Costello, Joe Martin. 872 01:01:30,076 --> 01:01:32,576 Like I could just name off like dozens of people 873 01:01:32,576 --> 01:01:35,136 who would be excellent entertainers 874 01:01:35,136 --> 01:01:37,296 and really show off, you know, 875 01:01:37,376 --> 01:01:39,876 what we can do with Bitcoin, with Lightning, 876 01:01:39,876 --> 01:01:45,116 you know with Noster and how it all works together like you're right we're so early I'm dreaming 877 01:01:45,116 --> 01:01:50,056 though totally culture well you're you're not dreaming it's already happening culture is the 878 01:01:50,056 --> 01:01:57,816 way and I always believe that while money is very very base layer uh culture is more base layer than 879 01:01:57,816 --> 01:02:07,096 money and humanity is more base layer than culture and when we come together regardless of gender 880 01:02:07,096 --> 01:02:15,196 race and culture and money or currencies and and what is feeding humanity what is the the fuel 881 01:02:15,196 --> 01:02:21,876 for humanity to survive and i think we that's how i ended up the answer of wow love is really the 882 01:02:21,876 --> 01:02:28,896 cure because without love and and i think of bitcoin and love's relationship being this this 883 01:02:28,896 --> 01:02:37,056 love can be this spark in our heart and bitcoin can be the electricity or the heat like the moment 884 01:02:37,056 --> 01:02:44,136 the moment of heat and it becomes a fire but if you just have the fire you're just gonna end up 885 01:02:44,136 --> 01:02:49,096 but the no spark you're just end up burning everything down like there's a hand-in-hand 886 01:02:49,096 --> 01:02:56,836 relationship and i feel like the the test about upon bitcoiners are upon us um with the work 887 01:02:56,836 --> 01:03:03,436 where the world is going and where bitcoin is going and i hope um more people bitcoin 888 01:03:03,436 --> 01:03:09,696 or Bitcoiner will not get to encounter your content, my content, and start to ask themselves 889 01:03:09,696 --> 01:03:16,756 a few other questions in Bitcoin other than what is money and start to think about who am I, 890 01:03:16,996 --> 01:03:21,956 what I'm here to do, and how can I help? I love that. We're going to end it there. That was 891 01:03:21,956 --> 01:03:27,376 absolute perfection. That's a Bitcoiner right there. Having a great vision, that's what we do 892 01:03:27,376 --> 01:03:33,876 best in this community is having a vision for things just being better improving constantly 893 01:03:33,876 --> 01:03:39,456 i love that thank you ivy loomy uh one of my best guests ever i would say and uh totally stoked 894 01:03:39,456 --> 01:03:46,596 about the music too gonna be listening to this for a long time thank you so much