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Hello and welcome back to the Orange Pill Order podcast, where we dive deep into the

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worlds of Bitcoin, freedom and the cultural revolution it's sparking. I'm your host Thomas.

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And I'm Caelan. And I'm Finn. Together, we're your host today, orange pilling through the lens of art.

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Our guest is Asanoa Gold, a pioneering Bitcoin artist whose work blends sacred geometry,

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cryptography and sharp critiques of the fiat systems.

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He's the founder of the world's first Bitcoin art magazine and has been featured at major

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Bitcoin events.

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Asanoa, thanks for joining us on the Orange Pill Order.

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Thank you for having me up here today, gentlemen.

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Right, just to begin, before we jump into your Bitcoin journey, I mean, we've got to

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asked we were all very curious what does asanoa actually mean like where does your artist name

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come from asanoa means uh it means hemp leaf in japanese and it's a triangular tessellation

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it's actually a pattern that represents uh uh hemp leaf yeah that's very interesting yeah i like

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that that's uh yeah very interesting it's a good explanation um so we'll start at the beginning

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actually uh what's your origin story and how did you get into bitcoin and what led you to become

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the artist um focused on it uh so back in 2017 i was working in the cannabis and hemp industry

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and a friend of mine paid me for some work that i had done in bitcoin and i unfortunately spent

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the majority of it as we all have that story um but uh i did i did i did you know that that was uh

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that was my first the first time i ever held any bitcoin so uh thereafter i was kind of in and out

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i didn't fully you know have that aha moment or fall down the rabbit hole at least the bitcoin

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rabbit hole as as much as i would now obviously have liked to and it was during covid then

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2021 when it really clicked for me and that's when I began making Bitcoin art and since then I've been

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you know working in Bitcoin or interacting or just you know in Bitcoin world every day ever since

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so I would say say 2021 I had my real aha moment where I you know fully clicked and I don't have a

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specific, like, like, I don't have like the specific moment that I was like, this is it,

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as I, you know, had already been in and out. And I, you know, understood it more and more.

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But I think that after COVID and experiencing some of the, you know, top down tyranny of COVID

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and the effect that it had on, you know, my life immediately, just, you know, the travel

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restrictions and seeing them force you know experimental injections on people and you know

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kind of all of the the cognitive dissonance and cloud world clown world you know psyop of the

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whole thing i i realized that you know bitcoin was the only hope we have and so yeah been working

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in bitcoin every every day since yeah i mean that's perfect i think if you don't mind me asking

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before we get in uh in reference to your sort of selling the bitcoin what year was that actually in

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that was 2017 i see yeah so i i got i got a i got paid a a handful of bitcoins back in 2017

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so it was you know the price was like 12 1200 i think when i got them and uh so you know and they

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went up you know that year that run I think it went up to around 20,000 and uh you know unfortunately

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I kind of sold like most of them on the way on the run up I just was like oh cool this is money

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oh it's gone a bit and I you know I just I I yeah it's uh I wish I had to save them of course I had

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wish I had have huddled them but I didn't as I think uh you know I was just like this is money

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and and my friend was like hey will you accept bitcoin and I was like yeah I was like well

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yeah I was like well that's like the digital currency you know I'd heard of it before and

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they were like yeah check it out you can just download this wallet it was mycelium wallet

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and they were like I can just send it to you right now and it's in your wallet it's yours now

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and so I like you know looked it up a little bit and was like oh yeah this is legit cool I'll take

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bitcoin and you know I so I did I had bitcoin and then I uh you know I I don't know life went

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on and i was like i needed some money so i spent the bitcoin and uh you know then it then it rallied

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and it was it had rallied up a little bit and then i was like oh i probably shouldn't have spent that

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so i tried you know i bought back a little bit and then you know it was it was it was in and out

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for the next you know four years i kind of i had bought some and then i spent it and then i didn't

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i didn't see it as you know i didn't understand that you you needed to just put it in cold storage

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and forget about it so well at least it's a lesson learned i mean that's really what we're trying to

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do here just educate the younger generation and what they need to start doing so i feel like that

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would be really valuable to our listeners yeah no i and my story is not a unique in any way right so

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i mean there's people you got to think that have that are back in you know 2014 who had a you know

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a thousand bitcoins or something and they just they spent them you know and so it's really it's uh

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If you get your hands on any Bitcoin, don't spend it or do spend it, but just make sure you replace it immediately.

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So don't think of it as money that you can spend.

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It's a long-term savings account and you should stimulate the Bitcoin circular economy and you should buy some art from me or buy a magazine.

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And you should spend Bitcoin, but you should always replace it, right?

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So spend and replace.

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yeah made x has a uh says something you know there's somewhere the artist made x says you

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know he's like respect the bitcoins you know don't don't spend your bitcoin you know so yeah

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yeah just uh keep hodling basically especially yeah that's the main message we need to get out

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to gen z because uh yeah just that long-term savings always yeah yeah well and if you can

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learn it younger. And I mean, I think a big lesson in it is just saving in itself, right? So I never

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nobody ever taught me I don't come from money. I don't, you know, I don't come from like a finance

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kind of family or, you know, a wealthy family that teaches their children financial education

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or financial intelligence. And I don't think most people are taught financial intelligence,

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they definitely don't teach it to you in school. And so I never was I've never been good at saving

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money i'm still not great at it but through bitcoin you know you that's something you learn

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that's and that's that goes beyond just bitcoin itself it's like having a savings account for

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your future i mean i'm i'm a millennial and if i had have been saving money since i was 15 years

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old i would be in a really really good spot right now and i you know hate to say it but unfortunately

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i haven't been saving money since i was 15 you know but it's it's time goes by really fast and

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suddenly realize like dang if you just had have actually had a savings account you'd be you'd be

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chilling right now so that's i would say to any gen z out there like learn how to save money it's

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like a real thing it's really important learn financial intelligence and you know ideally

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save some of your money in bitcoin yeah definitely agree i think it's just uh again stay stacking

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sats and keep hodling so uh moving back onto your art um you mentioned all your like sacred geometry

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in all of your work so for our listeners and the gen z audience can you elaborate on how that ties

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into your bitcoin art yeah so i started making art also kind of later in life i i haven't been

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making art since i was really young i mean you know of course i made did drawings and stuff as a

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kid but I wasn't like a prodigal kind of you know artist illustrator you know I'm sure you guys maybe

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one of you guys is or you have friends who are just like the smartest artists and they've just

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been making art like since ever right so um I started you know I was in my my mid-20s when I

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decided I wanted to make art and like seriously and try and do it professionally and I've always

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been really drawn to like geometric artwork and visionary artworks and so I started doing like

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sacred geometry and drawing some Merkabas or some Metatron's cubes the flower of life you know

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different patterns that kind of uh I think allude or are a you know an attempt to conceptualize

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something greater than ourselves and you know you find sacred geometry and architecture in you know

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pretty much everything in life has it in it in some form or another in plants and molecular

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cellular structures. So there's definitely some mysterious code of some kind in sacred geometry

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that's replicated. And maybe it's just a mathematical phenomenon. You don't have to

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get all spiritual about it. But there is definitely some sort of mathematical code that's found

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throughout all of this human experience. And I think that's super fascinating. So I started making

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geometric artwork and was doing patterns and different geometric shapes and mandalas stuff

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like that um and when i started making bitcoin art it was kind of hard to to think okay like what

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what is bitcoin art and and how do you conceptualize bitcoin because it's like a digital

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it's a digital thing obviously and and it's kind of there isn't you know there's not one person who

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can be like this is what bitcoin looks like or this is what a bitcoin looks like so being a

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bitcoin artist it's kind of fun you get to try out different different ways of conceptualizing it

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so like behind me here uh there's these are like it's like a seed cipher so this is actually

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it's this is a laser engraving but i did a painting of this where you could it was just

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arbitrary glyphs that i made up so it was just a total artistic idea but you could actually use

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them to encrypt the bitcoin seed phrase so you know this piece of art here can be used to encrypt

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a Bitcoin seed phrase. So you could say that this art is Bitcoin because it has the knowledge

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of decrypting a seed phrase that has Bitcoin on it. And so trying to do some fun stuff like that.

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and mathematical precision. And that's what, you know, allows Bitcoin to work and function

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and is kind of what's so magical about Bitcoin is that it's just like, you know, Satoshi was some

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mathematical genius of some kind um and and he figured out a way to get digital cash to work

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through super precise mathematics and that's exactly what sacred geometry is it's super

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precise mathematics that you one might say you know get this whole reality we're living into work

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yeah i mean let's talk more about your art i think well i know we do but more importantly

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our listeners would love to hear more obviously your pieces are stunning mixed media with gold

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leaf canvases and even as you just mentioned some of the laser engraved work so could you walk us

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through your style and maybe some of your personal favorites yeah for sure i've got uh behind me

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right here this is a on the uh right there is a laser engraved that's a laser engraved block from

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the mempool.space visualizer and this is actually the first block that uh ocean mining found

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after they fixed the inscription data carrier size bug

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and were able to filter out all but one inscription.

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So I then hand-painted it.

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It's laser engraved.

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Shout out to BTC pins for the laser work.

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And then I hand-painted each of the little tiny squares on it.

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So that's pretty fun.

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of the Guy Satoshi, or I call it Guy Satoshi,

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but the Guy Fox mask.

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And then it says, we are all Satoshi.

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And the Satoshi is written in kanji.

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And those two kanji characters, the first one represents wise, sage, philosopher.

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So there's a few different ways of writing Satoshi in Japanese kanji using different kanji characters.

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But I really like these two.

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So those are the two that I've been using.

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And then we're all Satoshi.

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I'm sure you guys all obviously know what that means.

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and then yeah I've got a project I'm working on behind me here uh you probably can't really see

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these ones but I got three panels and these are actually it's a cipher so it's called I call it a

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seed cipher um I feel like I might be able to come up with a better name than that but so far

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that's what I called it and uh you can use it to encrypt the seed phrase here I'm gonna grab

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something real quick

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I did a piece a while

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arbitrary glyph pattern

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or just made up these symbols

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and so I sold this painting and it came

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with a seed plate these are custom seed

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plates that I made with stamp seed

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shout out to stamp seed

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So let's see if I can get it to look.

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So this is a seed plate and it's got little squares that you can stamp your own seed into it.

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And then once you stamp them in here, they're all scrambled up.

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So you've got a seed plate with your seed stamped into it and it's all scrambled up, all the letters.

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So somebody found this, they couldn't decrypt it and they couldn't get the Bitcoin out of it unless they had this one,

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which is the cipher key, which tells you the correct order of the seed words.

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So like that little symbol right there, that'll be your first seed letter.

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That's your second, that's your third, that's your fourth.

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So all 12 and 24 word seed phrases can be truncated.

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which is pretty cool to know if anybody doesn't know that.

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and then that plate holds 12 different seed words all scrambled up

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thank you yeah and then my latest art my latest greatest art project is putting together this

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compilation of different art that's not mine well i put some of my art in here of course

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but uh the bitcoin art magazine so you know we've got art from all the different artists or many of

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the different artists all of the best artists in bitcoin so putting this together has been an art

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project as i've never i just i taught myself to use in design uh with the help of some really

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excellent designers shout out emily and annabelle baza especially and um yeah so that's been an art

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project that's been really fun so uh curation and compilation of other artists are in the space is

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there was no dedicated magazine for Bitcoiner.

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So now we've got one, which is pretty cool.

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Yeah, now we've got one.

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Yeah, it's really cool and impressive, yeah.

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Yeah, it's cool how you can tailor your own interests as well to Bitcoin.

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I feel like that's such an important thing for the younger generation to see as well,

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that it's not just purely the finance side of things.

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I mean, it's really crazy.

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I'm sure you guys know, but the more anybody goes down the rabbit hole,

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the more ways you realize that kind of everything leads back to Bitcoin.

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or everything can lead back to Bitcoin.

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And I mean, I guess that, you know, it makes sense

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that everything kind of leads back to money.

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there's this kind of, you know, money is the root of all evil sort of thing.

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in like Buddhism and Hinduism, there's a lot of like, you know,

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like let go of all material possessions, be here now.

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Siddhartha is a great book.

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and it's kind of like, you know, enlightenment is like

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moving past attachment, physical objects and material,

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you know, material items and so forth.

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the rich man will pass through the eye of a needle

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before the, before, you know, he gets into the kingdom of heaven

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I just kind of call it like povo mentality,

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like poor man's mentality.

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You know, like life's not all about money. And it's like, you know, I, I, I, I, that has truth in it as everything has some truths in it. And you shouldn't live your life just obsessing about money or, you know, money doesn't just inherently bring happiness.

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but in this world that we live in in this human society we live in money is attached to everything

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it's like the base layer of all function like and and that just is the way it is unless you're

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going to go live in a you know in a hut out in the jungle or you know a log cabin in the woods

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in the middle of nowhere and you're literally not going to interact with other humans or with

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modern society then maybe you can live without money uh you know there's tribes there's still

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some continuum tribes out there maybe in Papua New Guinea or somewhere where they live with no

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money right and they just like hunt and gather but if you're living in today in the in the modern age

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anywhere in the western world or in the more you know not even the western world the just developed

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world um you're you know you're touching money in some form in some way or another so like learning

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how to be good with money it's just super important and bitcoin ties into that because bitcoin is

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money it's the best money that humanity's ever known and there is a way that it connects back to

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anything you're interested in so that's absolutely spot on and i think is really interesting and

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really cool because like you said maybe you're not a tech person maybe you're not a finance

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you know kind of person you're not a trader you don't know anything about stocks uh and there is

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always some way that you can relate what you do back to bitcoin yeah i mean to help our gen z

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listeners we were looking into actually developing sort of an online digital space to teach them

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more about primarily decentralization but i'm sure somewhere along the lines we tap on the

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financial side of bitcoin and the opportunities that that can open no that's awesome i'm excited

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to see what you guys create i think that uh i think that that that definitely needs to exist

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and I think that you guys would be the best people to build it.

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So, yeah.

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Very much.

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I mean, more specifically, as a group,

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we really love your piece Blood Money and the meaning behind it.

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Just for our listeners who aren't really familiar with your work,

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would you be able to go into it in more detail?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So that's kind of funny because a lot of the work that I've done is very like,

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you know, I'm always trying to be like really precise

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and make it look, you know, just like symmetrical stuff

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or, you know, just making my work like super precise

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And Blood Money was actually, I think it was for Vegas, the Bitcoin conference in Vegas last year.

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And I needed to make a piece of art.

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And it actually, I got to shout out Rebel Money because he kind of gave me part of the idea for that.

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But I had this idea to just do like fiat bills and like do like blood on them.

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And I was like, maybe I could do like, you know, obviously I was like, oh, like that'd be crazy cool if I like cut myself and put like my own blood on the, something super radical.

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uh and then i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna use pig's blood and i i called some like butchers and

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they were like no we don't have any like we don't sell like a blood and i was like can i buy like a

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bag of blood from you and they were like you have to find like a slaughterhouse so then i thought

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about it and like real blood actually turns kind of brown so i ended up just using paint which isn't

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as cool maybe one day i'll get some like pig's blood and mix it with some paint or stabilize it

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somehow and then do some that because i think that would kind of that would be kind of sick but um

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i just use red paint but uh on that artwork i basically did the m2 money supply and so i just

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i just like hand drew it all on there and i just i took these i went and got like used dollar bills

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like i went and got changed from a store and they were just like dirty used dollar bills and i just

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glued them to a piece of cardboard and then i drew the m2 money supply graph on it just

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kind of roughly by hand and uh you know the kind of that that m2 money supply is it's like a pretty

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powerful graph right there and you realize like that's just like how much money they've printed

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and created like how much u.s dollars they've created since whenever they started tracking it

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whatever it is like 1920 or something uh 1913 i don't know when they started actually tracking

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them too but you know if you if you flip that chart upside down it basically shows like the

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value of a dollar right because it almost matches the purchasing power of a dollar so if you look at

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what's the purchasing power of a dollar that chart you know it just it's going down ever since the

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inception of the dollar and i think the math is like 98 or 99 percent less value for one dollar

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than when they created the u.s dollar currency so that's like you know very clearly shows you

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inflation and then like you know you basically flip it over and you've got the m2 money supply

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so like the more dollars they've printed the less the dollar has become worth and i mean that like

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right there alone just shows you that like a fiat money that has no hard supply cap is just going to

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become worthless over time how long does it take i think the dollars i think all fiat monies have

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eventually gone and overinflated or you know gone into hyperinflation or have collapsed all the way

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since like Rome, but the dollars lasted like a really long time.

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and odds are they're going to try and turn it into some sort of CBDC to save it.

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there's now this war with Iran.

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because inherently it's printing it and the value keeps going down.

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So the blood money was, you know, kind of just talking about that

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and depicting that.

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yeah no it's a really really incredible piece and uh another piece we'd love to talk about is the

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bitcoin grenade collector set yeah thank you that's uh i gotta shout out crypto cloaks so

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crypto cloaks made a little 3d printed grenade with a bitcoin b on it um and uh i don't know i

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just i thought it was super cool and so i did my own like hand-drawn rendition of their bitcoin

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grenade and then I made it into a print and then the little collector set we did was with BTC pins

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and he did like a little box that he made laser cut and he did some pins like hat pins and then

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Crypto Cloaks printed like an old gold 3D printed grenade and then the little pins went in the

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grenade and then I did like some fine art prints that went with it so that was that was a fun

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project and then what is a Bitcoin grenade and I you know I think it's kind of up to interpretation

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but I like to think of it as it's not a not like a symbol of violence or a symbol of a weapon but

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it's you know it's uh I mean it you know it could be like bitcoin's gonna explode like a grenade

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um you know bitcoin the price is gonna explode uh you know there's some stuff like that but

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ultimately at least for me I like to think of it as like through bitcoin we have the the chance of

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reducing war globally and that that's that's really cool and uh we can actually you know

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reduce violence on this planet through bitcoin and so um definitely true i mean your use of gold

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is iconic yeah and i think everyone sort of curious to know why gold so i started using gold in art because I had some friends who they would like spray paint like water guns or like any random thing like a rock at a music festival at burning man actually

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but uh they they like they would you know they would just like spray paint random stuff with

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gold and i thought that was funny and um and then i started doing some geometric art and i was like

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what if I made this like out of gold and so I I have found these sick gold paint pens and and I was

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like black and gold's just cool and it looks sick it's a nice vibe and so I started doing some like

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geometric black and gold stuff so when I started doing Bitcoin art in you know I was like well I'm

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gonna do some some do something with just a gold paint pen on a black background it's like a striking

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and um and it's kind of funny because I actually uh I uh you know Bitcoiners a lot of them don't

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like gold because there's you know gold's kind of like the original sound money and it got totally

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co-opted and has been controlled by the powers that be now for a very long time and so bitcoin

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is you know the gold i like to think of it as a reminder to not let what happened to gold happen

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to bitcoin so let's not let them take over and control bitcoin the way they have with gold and

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we're seeing that right now with the suit coiners and these ETFs and, you know, the Wall Street

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firms and so forth, the, you know, fiat financial mechanisms that they're now using as, you know,

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financial instruments integrated with Bitcoin. But it's not the real thing, right? If you buy the ETF

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or you buy a Bitcoin exposure through a brokerage account, you know, you don't actually own the

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Bitcoin. It's the same as holding it on an exchange. You're not in control of it. Ultimately,

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and they're going to,

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I think something just came out with Jane Street

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doing price manipulation with Bitcoin.

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they're sure it's going to do everything they can

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to control Bitcoin the way they control gold.

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So, you know, gold, Bitcoin art,

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but it's also a reminder,

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don't let what happened to gold happen to Bitcoin.

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And it's also kind of a nod and, you know,

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a lesson, there's a lesson in there

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of just being taken off the gold standard

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and what all of that means.

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So if anybody who's listening to this doesn't know,

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you know, in 1971, when Richard Nixon took the United States

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off the gold standard, that, you know,

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that was the real peak decline of the dollar ever since then.

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It's just, it's made the dollar worthless.

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And yeah, so, you know, don't let, don't,

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I think the only use case for an ETF or any sort of,

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fiat based bitcoin tool or financial instrument is if you have money and i think most gen zers

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probably don't so but if you're older maybe and you have money that's wrapped up in like a roth

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ira or a 401k or something and maybe it's through your work and you actually can't get it out of

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like you can't cash it out and just buy bitcoin to self-custody but you want to you know get price

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exposure to Bitcoin, then okay, you could buy like a Bitcoin related stock. And I mean, that

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definitely makes sense. But other than that, it's like, you know, you want to hold your own Bitcoin

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in self custody, in some sort of self custody, whether that's, you know, a multi-sig setup or

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just hidden stashed away somewhere. If you have Bitcoin on an exchange, if you don't own, if you're

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not the only person who has the private keys that access that Bitcoin, then you don't actually own

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And there's like, you know, that's really important if we want Bitcoin to become the freedom money that we believe it is or that it can be, you know.

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So if everybody just uses, you know, the bank, but the bank has the Bitcoin, then it's not going to, you know, actually provide that freedom or liberation from fiat tyranny.

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Yeah, I think we're going to move more onto the security side later on anyway.

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So that'll be very interesting.

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But for now, obviously, as we've mentioned previously, you're the founder of the Bitcoin Art Magazine, which is absolutely amazing.

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Would you be able to tell us about its inception and what it represents?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So about, well, I guess it's almost two years now,

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but I think it was back in 2024 with, I was out in Nashville, Tennessee,

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and I was at the Bitcoin conference and hanging out at the art gallery

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and Rebel Money and it was, I think it was MLO and I think Yonat.

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But a couple of the other artists had made like a little gallery catalog that was like printed out that showed their artwork on it that was in the gallery that year.

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And it was just really nicely done.

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And I was like, that's so cool.

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Maybe we should do like next year one that is like a gallery catalog for the art in the whole gallery.

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And then I was like, well, what about like a Bitcoin art magazine?

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Like nobody's done that, huh?

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And so Rebel and I talked about it and we talked about starting one and just doing like a periodical publication that features art from the Bitcoin art space, which has grown to be quite a, you know, vibrant, active and robust community.

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You know, emphasizing the physical art.

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There's obviously a whole lot of NFTs and stuff out there, but, you know, real like nice, fine art, art that you hang on your wall, sculptures.

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and we talked about it but we never ended up doing it.

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I think he got busy doing the Art of Freedom

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and kind of life happened and everything.

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I was thinking about it and was like,

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I'm just going to go ahead and do it.

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And so I just started reaching out to people

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and the response was just super unanimously positive

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and people were really excited about it.

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So I spent this last year learning how to design a magazine

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and learning how to print a magazine.

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We also have a fine art book that we're doing.

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The books are at the printers right now.

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And so, yeah, so we now have Bitcoin Art Magazine.

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This is the Genesis edition.

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I'm currently working on edition one,

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which will hopefully be out and available in a couple months now.

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And we've got 36 artists inside of here.

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We've got a couple articles.

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We have two forwards.

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We have one by Knut Svanholm, and we have one by Daniel Prince.

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and we have a piece of writing from Tomer

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from one of his excellent pieces of writing.

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a foreword from Knut Svanholm.

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So we've got some literature in here,

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but the majority of the magazine,

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we have some ads from some really great

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Bitcoin-only companies,

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like Bitcoin Audible and Bull Bitcoin.

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We got Saz Mining,

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an ad from Saz Mining,

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and we've got Time Chain Calendar in here.

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And then the majority, though,

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the magazine is all Bitcoin art from different artists. So we've got different artist features

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and then full page, uh, pictures of their artwork. So we've got 36 different artists

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in the Genesis edition, or I think we've got, we might have over 36 and, um, yeah, it's really

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cool. It's 152 pages. So it's like a solid, it's a solid, solid magazine. I would say it's

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more of a journal or an art journal than just than a magazine and yeah it's been great everybody's

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been really supportive shout out to all of our patrons who have ordered copies or ordered one

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of the fine art books and shout out to our sponsors who helped make it happen and i'm super excited

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to be working on the next one and the goal is to do four of them a year so we'll do uh we'll do

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like a base magazine these are limited the 1720 copies on the genesis edition we might do more of

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the standard magazine on edition one but um we might we'll still probably keep it limited to

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something and then we have like a gold foil version uh i don't know i have one nearby here

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we have like a one that's also got there's some artwork on the back here it's black on black

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you might not be able to see it but on the gold foil version it's all gold foiled on the back and

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then the title on the front's gold foil that's a bit more expensive but it's there's only 210 of

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those so that's like a super collector's item and then we have a fine art book that we're doing it's

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hardcover book those are limited to 121 copies and then we're doing 100 and then we're doing 21

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that's 121 copies and then we're doing 21 copies of a patron's edition patron's editions are sold

418
00:33:30,445 --> 00:33:37,325
out but the hardcover books limited to 121 are still available the goal is to do four of these

419
00:33:37,325 --> 00:33:44,925
a year like uh four editions a year with uh the base magazine or the base art journal and then

420
00:33:44,925 --> 00:33:51,485
the three or two or three accompanying collectors editions of it and so we'll see if we if there's

421
00:33:51,485 --> 00:33:56,445
the demand to do four a year but as of right now we'll definitely be able to do two of them a year

422
00:33:56,445 --> 00:34:05,485
so yeah it's really that's really cool yeah i'm very excited to see it so um what is i'd say maybe

423
00:34:05,485 --> 00:34:07,705
the mission behind it,

424
00:34:07,865 --> 00:34:10,205
and especially with the pieces

425
00:34:10,205 --> 00:34:10,865
that you just said,

426
00:34:10,985 --> 00:34:12,045
the Genesis edition

427
00:34:12,045 --> 00:34:14,545
and those limited gold foil covers.

428
00:34:15,585 --> 00:34:17,585
Yeah, I'll read you guys

429
00:34:17,585 --> 00:34:19,085
our kind of our mission statement here

430
00:34:19,085 --> 00:34:20,005
right from in the beginning

431
00:34:20,005 --> 00:34:20,585
of the magazine.

432
00:34:21,065 --> 00:34:21,445
Ah.

433
00:34:23,205 --> 00:34:25,025
To propel the adoption of Bitcoin

434
00:34:25,025 --> 00:34:26,805
through the lens of art and culture,

435
00:34:27,045 --> 00:34:28,245
envisioning a brighter future

436
00:34:28,245 --> 00:34:29,685
built on a Bitcoin standard.

437
00:34:30,965 --> 00:34:33,365
To archive the evolution of Bitcoin art,

438
00:34:33,605 --> 00:34:35,305
capturing this unprecedented moment

439
00:34:35,305 --> 00:34:41,405
in human history as it unfolds to amplify bitcoin artists by showcasing their work and ensuring

440
00:34:41,405 --> 00:34:49,225
their creations reach a global audience so i would say that yeah sounds right more or less sums it up

441
00:34:49,225 --> 00:34:56,965
yeah i mean how has the community responded to the magazine and the podcast episodes and

442
00:34:56,965 --> 00:35:03,225
various collaborations much like the denver gallery exhibition yeah thanks thank you for

443
00:35:03,225 --> 00:35:08,925
mentioning that so overall the the community response has just been just been amazing when

444
00:35:08,925 --> 00:35:13,785
you have a good idea i think it's you know i hope it's always this way but right now it definitely

445
00:35:13,785 --> 00:35:19,345
is you know the bitcoin space is still quite small on the global playing field in the global scheme

446
00:35:19,345 --> 00:35:25,665
of things so i found that if you have a really good idea in bitcoin bitcoiners are you know

447
00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:32,625
extremely supportive and i think that's because bitcoin has such phenomenal game theory like

448
00:35:32,625 --> 00:35:39,725
anything that anybody does around Bitcoin, related to Bitcoin, based on Bitcoin, as long as it's

449
00:35:39,725 --> 00:35:46,785
positive towards Bitcoin, every other Bitcoin is incentivized to support it because it's, you know,

450
00:35:47,125 --> 00:35:53,445
there's almost no competition, right? We're like all working together just inherently,

451
00:35:53,905 --> 00:36:01,525
which is interesting when you think of, you know, like how communism is bad and socialism is bad and

452
00:36:01,525 --> 00:36:07,165
private property rights are important and bitcoin teaches you a lot of these things

453
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:14,105
yet at the same time bitcoin is this like extremely communal effort to like a better

454
00:36:14,105 --> 00:36:20,685
for better form of money globally so anything you do anything that's a good idea that anybody can

455
00:36:20,685 --> 00:36:25,885
think of if it's a if it has genuine if you're genuinely bringing value the bitcoiners are going

456
00:36:25,885 --> 00:36:30,905
to support you and i mean this magazine is proof of that nobody had ever done it before i think i've

457
00:36:30,905 --> 00:36:41,085
done it and as responsible as a way as possible and so people have been super supportive and uh

458
00:36:41,085 --> 00:36:47,205
yeah we we've come to find the same obviously bring something new to this space like trying to

459
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:52,725
educate our generation and the younger generation and we've had extreme support from from all ages

460
00:36:52,725 --> 00:36:59,545
really yeah yeah no absolutely and i mean that's it's it's it's a it's a beautiful thing to to do

461
00:36:59,545 --> 00:37:05,065
something and then people like what you're doing so anybody out there listening to this if you've

462
00:37:05,065 --> 00:37:11,145
been sitting on an idea or thinking about something just just give it a shot try it out do it learn

463
00:37:11,145 --> 00:37:16,125
learn learn as much as you need to uh but don't feel like you need to learn everything you know

464
00:37:16,125 --> 00:37:21,585
about bitcoin because that's impossible just learn enough to do what your your idea is and give it a

465
00:37:21,585 --> 00:37:28,285
and odds are people are going to be extremely supportive yeah you mentioned that go on to

466
00:37:28,285 --> 00:37:34,505
like have this podcast and learn great minds like yourself live in front of our audience like it's

467
00:37:34,505 --> 00:37:39,445
such a blessing honestly yeah no this is this is really awesome that you guys are doing this

468
00:37:39,445 --> 00:37:47,165
it's uh it's an as you as you guys know it's a i feel like my generation is like we're the

469
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:53,685
we're the I'm the I'm the last generation that grew up without a phone right like I think I got

470
00:37:53,685 --> 00:38:02,245
a phone when I was like 14 13 or 14 um and I remember it was like a Nokia brick phone so I

471
00:38:02,245 --> 00:38:07,025
remember like a friend of mine got the first iPhone so you know we we were I was the last

472
00:38:07,025 --> 00:38:12,425
generation that grew up like the smart smartphones were invented or like the like the first iPhone I

473
00:38:12,425 --> 00:38:16,165
think came out like you know it was when I was a teenager so we're the last generation that had

474
00:38:16,165 --> 00:38:24,325
like a childhood where like all the adults weren't on smartphones and uh but i was still

475
00:38:24,325 --> 00:38:31,365
young enough to like you know intuitively understand technology and have you know like

476
00:38:31,365 --> 00:38:35,605
i mean now you've got like little kids that are just like on an ipad right

477
00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:40,225
but like half of the boomers out there don't know how to use an ipad

478
00:38:40,225 --> 00:38:46,725
and so it's it's kind of this crazy thing i think watching like humans evolve right it's just human

479
00:38:46,725 --> 00:38:53,545
evolution like i grew up surfing and like when i was a kid surfing like if you saw somebody do like

480
00:38:53,545 --> 00:38:59,265
an air 360 on a surfboard they were like super good at surfing that was like crazy it was rare

481
00:38:59,265 --> 00:39:04,505
now you go to like any decent surf break and there's like five little groms that are like

482
00:39:04,505 --> 00:39:10,325
10 years old and they're just like busting 360 airs right and you see the same thing in like

483
00:39:10,325 --> 00:39:17,125
snowboarding or skating or like anything right like as humans as human activities evolve like

484
00:39:17,125 --> 00:39:21,565
kids pick it up younger and younger and it's like we're seeing that with technology now where it's

485
00:39:21,565 --> 00:39:28,005
like little kids are just like coding stuff and like you know just intuitively they just know how

486
00:39:28,005 --> 00:39:32,745
the phone works they know how the ipad works and it's like how do they know and it's almost like

487
00:39:32,745 --> 00:39:39,245
there's some like collective consciousness sort of thing like it's like in our dna like as we learn

488
00:39:39,245 --> 00:39:44,245
something and then you have a kid like your kid already like part of them already like knows the

489
00:39:44,245 --> 00:39:51,365
thing that you learned right so but it's uh at the same time like as cool as technology is and

490
00:39:51,365 --> 00:39:56,725
everything obviously it's super scary and so you know a lot of a lot of kids right now are just

491
00:39:56,725 --> 00:40:00,405
growing up fully immersed in this technological world.

492
00:40:00,685 --> 00:40:03,765
And I don't know why I kind of rambled off there.

493
00:40:03,885 --> 00:40:06,565
But I wanted to say you mentioned the Denver Gallery.

494
00:40:06,725 --> 00:40:07,945
So that's the first we're doing.

495
00:40:08,045 --> 00:40:10,885
Bitcoin Art Magazine times the space, Denver,

496
00:40:11,305 --> 00:40:15,625
and its auctions are being run and handled by Scare City.

497
00:40:15,785 --> 00:40:16,745
Shout out to Scare City.

498
00:40:17,045 --> 00:40:19,485
And we've actually got a collection of physical art

499
00:40:19,485 --> 00:40:22,185
hanging in the space in Denver, Colorado.

500
00:40:23,145 --> 00:40:25,265
The art will be up there for a couple months here.

501
00:40:25,265 --> 00:40:27,125
and then we'll be doing an auction at the end.

502
00:40:27,945 --> 00:40:30,845
So that's the first kind of in-person physical gallery

503
00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:33,285
that the magazine has had a hand in.

504
00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:34,365
So that's really exciting.

505
00:40:35,065 --> 00:40:36,105
And if you're listening to this,

506
00:40:36,165 --> 00:40:38,345
please go check out scarce.city.

507
00:40:38,645 --> 00:40:39,745
And at the top of the homepage,

508
00:40:40,165 --> 00:40:43,405
there's the Bitcoin Art Magazine Space Denver Gallery.

509
00:40:44,025 --> 00:40:47,565
Throw a bid at something, share it on social media.

510
00:40:48,245 --> 00:40:50,445
And yeah, so that's really cool.

511
00:40:50,565 --> 00:40:52,545
And then I've also been doing the Bitcoin Art Podcast.

512
00:40:52,545 --> 00:40:58,305
and shout out to Yonat who's doing the movement of art which is kind of like a round table

513
00:40:58,305 --> 00:41:05,905
fireside chat series of episodes with multiple artists and you can find that at bitcoinartbroadcast.com

514
00:41:05,905 --> 00:41:12,725
and so trying to do that kind of as like an audio gallery to run parallel to the magazine so the

515
00:41:12,725 --> 00:41:19,925
magazine's pretty highly very highly curated and so I'm doing the the podcast to try and make it a

516
00:41:19,925 --> 00:41:27,345
little i have like a bit more casual you know open audio version of the magazine alongside it so

517
00:41:27,345 --> 00:41:32,785
yeah for any viewers listening anyway we'll put all your links in the description of this video

518
00:41:32,785 --> 00:41:38,285
and um but um going on to what you're saying before i mean commenting on technology shifting

519
00:41:38,285 --> 00:41:44,265
gears to your broader worldview how does bitcoin in your view i mean break the cycle of bank funded

520
00:41:44,265 --> 00:41:49,265
destruction and endless conflict and i mean how do you weave those critiques into your geometric

521
00:41:49,265 --> 00:42:00,325
sacred inspired art um that's an excellent very well-worded question uh i would say that overall

522
00:42:00,325 --> 00:42:08,445
like personally i like you know i i like bitcoin and i want bitcoin to succeed so that i don't have

523
00:42:08,445 --> 00:42:14,125
to engage with a technological world if i don't want it yeah so i think i think it's about freedom

524
00:42:14,125 --> 00:42:22,525
at the end of the day. And in kind of as mentioned before, in our, you know, in our modern world,

525
00:42:22,885 --> 00:42:29,525
money is very synonymous with freedom, right? So if you wake up in the morning and you have money

526
00:42:29,525 --> 00:42:38,105
in a savings account, and you go to your job, and your boss is a dick, you can say you and you can

527
00:42:38,105 --> 00:42:43,465
quit. And you don't need to worry about paying your rent or buying food tomorrow, because you

528
00:42:43,465 --> 00:42:49,685
have some money saved away, you know, and so you're given in the moment, personal individual

529
00:42:49,685 --> 00:42:56,625
freedom to not take from your boss, or to find another job if you don't like your job, and don't

530
00:42:56,625 --> 00:43:04,445
have money saved, then you don't have that choice anymore. And it's kind of, I think the same for

531
00:43:04,445 --> 00:43:10,045
technology, like, even right now, I'm an artist, I want to be an artist, I want to have a magazine,

532
00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:11,445
I want it to be successful.

533
00:43:12,105 --> 00:43:15,505
I got to go on social media every day to talk about it.

534
00:43:15,765 --> 00:43:17,965
I've got to come on podcasts to talk about it.

535
00:43:18,745 --> 00:43:20,685
I'm very grateful to be here with you guys.

536
00:43:21,245 --> 00:43:35,125
But, you know, it's like the world we're living in is so, it's just so, you know, revolves around this digital world that has grown for like the most basic things like marketing my painting.

537
00:43:35,125 --> 00:43:41,765
and uh you know so i i would like bitcoin to be successful and so that i don't have to

538
00:43:41,765 --> 00:43:48,045
go on social media today if i don't want to and so that i can disconnect and unplug

539
00:43:48,045 --> 00:43:54,245
and it's kind of interesting because bitcoin's digital and i think a lot of people who don't

540
00:43:54,245 --> 00:44:04,125
want to live in a you know live in a technological world 24 7 with their you know apple vr goggles on

541
00:44:04,125 --> 00:44:09,105
or whatever they're like oh bitcoin isn't that like a cbdc or something so there's a lot of

542
00:44:09,105 --> 00:44:12,805
confusion out there and a lot of people that don't want to adopt bitcoin because they don't like that

543
00:44:12,805 --> 00:44:18,565
it's digital because they know the digital digital money digital things a digital life isn't necessarily

544
00:44:18,565 --> 00:44:25,965
conducive to a super healthy um prospering society just because unfortunately there's a

545
00:44:25,965 --> 00:44:30,845
bunch of evil people out there who use you know technology and use this digital landscape to

546
00:44:30,845 --> 00:44:37,185
control us uh but it's kind of crazy that bitcoin is digital and yet it's this like potential avenue

547
00:44:37,185 --> 00:44:43,005
for us to like not have to use cbdcs like if you have bitcoin you don't have to use the like

548
00:44:43,005 --> 00:44:49,445
government coin that they're going to make us use they're already making people use cbdc i mean

549
00:44:49,445 --> 00:44:56,625
china has a cbdc like and so it's kind of you know there's a quote by hal finney that is

550
00:44:56,625 --> 00:45:02,685
computers can be a tool to liberate and protect people rather than control them. And Bitcoin's a

551
00:45:02,685 --> 00:45:07,445
great example of that, you know. So Bitcoin's a digital technology that can allow us to actually

552
00:45:07,445 --> 00:45:13,065
have to interact with digital technology less if we want to. And if you love digital technology,

553
00:45:13,065 --> 00:45:19,305
that's okay too. But I just want to, I love digital technology. I, you know, I do like the

554
00:45:19,305 --> 00:45:25,725
digital world. I love my Twitter and Noster community. And I love that I can live anywhere

555
00:45:25,725 --> 00:45:28,005
in the world and sell my Bitcoin art digitally.

556
00:45:28,465 --> 00:45:29,845
But I just want to have the choice

557
00:45:29,845 --> 00:45:31,465
of whether I interact with it or not.

558
00:45:31,565 --> 00:45:34,665
And I don't want to be forced to use it

559
00:45:34,665 --> 00:45:35,385
if I don't want to.

560
00:45:35,865 --> 00:45:39,585
So yeah, that was kind of long-winded too.

561
00:45:39,705 --> 00:45:40,905
But I think that, yeah.

562
00:45:41,805 --> 00:45:41,945
Yeah.

563
00:45:43,085 --> 00:45:43,905
No, it's fine.

564
00:45:44,105 --> 00:45:45,945
It's all valuable information as well.

565
00:45:46,025 --> 00:45:46,945
I mean, I think that's one thing

566
00:45:46,945 --> 00:45:48,185
we're trying to combat as well

567
00:45:48,185 --> 00:45:49,165
in the younger generation

568
00:45:49,165 --> 00:45:51,925
is I think there's such a negative stigma

569
00:45:51,925 --> 00:45:53,925
around digital currencies and things like that.

570
00:45:53,925 --> 00:45:57,785
But we want to identify that Bitcoin is completely different to everything else.

571
00:45:57,785 --> 00:46:04,265
I think a big issue is that people still associate it with all the other crypto coins.

572
00:46:04,905 --> 00:46:14,365
And obviously there's a lot of bad things happening surrounding them coins and the control element especially that we're sort of trying to separate effectively.

573
00:46:15,485 --> 00:46:16,085
Yeah.

574
00:46:17,465 --> 00:46:19,005
Yeah, it's interesting.

575
00:46:19,005 --> 00:46:25,165
all the coins on the one hand i think they're kind of you know i think they're almost part of a

576
00:46:25,165 --> 00:46:32,125
immune system around bitcoin to like confuse the like boomer regulators which i think is kind of

577
00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:35,865
cool and you know i think they're also there's something to be said to like the free market

578
00:46:35,865 --> 00:46:43,145
and bitcoin is really about a free market so you know why shouldn't joe schmo be able to make his

579
00:46:43,145 --> 00:46:49,165
you know, Duki coin 3000 and free market, right? And if the Federal Reserve can print money,

580
00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:54,065
then anybody should be able to spool up a coin and, you know, print their own money.

581
00:46:54,845 --> 00:47:01,425
But I mean, at the end of the day, none of these coins will ever be, none, I don't think any of

582
00:47:01,425 --> 00:47:07,825
them ever will ever be able to be what Bitcoin is because Bitcoin was not just a digital currency

583
00:47:07,825 --> 00:47:10,945
or it wasn't just an invention.

584
00:47:11,345 --> 00:47:13,665
It was a discovery of a mathematical problem

585
00:47:13,665 --> 00:47:16,025
that solved the double spend problem

586
00:47:16,025 --> 00:47:17,565
and the Byzantine generals problem.

587
00:47:18,145 --> 00:47:20,005
And it was a mathematical solution

588
00:47:20,005 --> 00:47:24,065
to creating a digital gold

589
00:47:24,065 --> 00:47:26,265
or a digital currency that actually works.

590
00:47:26,445 --> 00:47:27,045
And it's kind of like,

591
00:47:27,085 --> 00:47:28,165
you can't like rediscover

592
00:47:28,165 --> 00:47:31,325
that same mathematical solution again.

593
00:47:32,165 --> 00:47:33,825
And you can copy it,

594
00:47:33,905 --> 00:47:34,925
which is what they've done,

595
00:47:34,925 --> 00:47:37,105
but you're never going to have

596
00:47:37,105 --> 00:47:41,585
the, you know, you can never discover, like, you can't discover how to light a fire twice,

597
00:47:41,585 --> 00:47:47,525
like, fire was a discovery, you know, how to get the internet to work, TCP and ICP, like, packets,

598
00:47:47,685 --> 00:47:51,925
like, and, and, like, the internet, the connectivity of the internet, the infrastructure,

599
00:47:52,345 --> 00:47:56,325
that was, like, a discovery, and then it was a choice to use that particular method,

600
00:47:56,865 --> 00:48:01,745
but nonetheless, it was a solution to a problem, and once it's been solved, you can't just solve

601
00:48:01,745 --> 00:48:06,845
it again, so, you know, that's where all the coins on the Web3 and stuff, it's just, it's copycats,

602
00:48:06,845 --> 00:48:24,905
And I think, you know, what you guys are doing is probably the best thing you can be doing to try and, you know, help everybody, but especially Gen Z understand the difference between Bitcoin and coins is just talking about it and explaining it and providing the resources for people to educate themselves.

603
00:48:24,905 --> 00:48:31,065
and you're not going to save everyone because humans are you know addicted to gambling and

604
00:48:31,065 --> 00:48:36,765
you know people you're not going to stop everyone from drinking alcohol or doing drug

605
00:48:36,765 --> 00:48:45,545
because people are addict have addictions and you know number go up and gambling so but you can you

606
00:48:45,545 --> 00:48:49,385
can give them that you can feed you know you can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to

607
00:48:49,385 --> 00:48:53,965
drink kind of thing so you can provide the resources for your gen z peers and for the gen

608
00:48:53,965 --> 00:49:01,725
years out there from a gen z perspective and say hey this is why bitcoin is unique and you know

609
00:49:01,725 --> 00:49:06,005
i'm sure that you guys if you haven't already are going to have a lot of friends and peers

610
00:49:06,005 --> 00:49:09,185
a lot of i told you so moments you know so yeah

611
00:49:09,185 --> 00:49:21,185
um just going back on to well your work and your art um because your work often maps bitcoin's

612
00:49:21,185 --> 00:49:28,965
protocol onto eternal patterns like the time chain as a natural rhythm or proof of work as

613
00:49:28,965 --> 00:49:50,390
harmonious balance um do you see bitcoin as a form of living art or a cryptographic masterpiece itself and why do you push so hard for physical tangible bitcoin over purely digital expressions artistically yeah uh i think that so i don i don have anything

614
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:56,590
against digital art a bunch of my artwork i use digital tools for right so when i do like a laser

615
00:49:56,590 --> 00:50:03,610
cut I designed that on a vector software on my computer and there's all kinds of phenomenal

616
00:50:03,610 --> 00:50:11,730
digital artwork out there uh and you know I mean television movies cinematography you know pretty

617
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:18,890
much the majority of photography today has a digital element um and there's a there's a you

618
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:25,990
know animations I mean there's tons of amazing digital artwork I think that personally um you

619
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:35,670
You know, it's kind of when you take a piece of digital art or a piece of physical art and you make like an NFT, you're essentially just creating a shit coin.

620
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:41,710
So it's the same as, you know, you can just print an unlimited amount of them extremely easily.

621
00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:44,490
Right. So the conviction is very low.

622
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:52,950
Whereas if I make like a physical print, someone, you know, people have said and someone might say, well, isn't like an NFT just like a digital print of your art?

623
00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:54,730
And it's like, well, yeah, it is.

624
00:50:54,730 --> 00:51:01,050
and is there something wrong with someone supporting my art by buying a digital copy of it

625
00:51:01,050 --> 00:51:07,710
or you know buying a digital signature of it no inherently there's nothing wrong with that

626
00:51:07,710 --> 00:51:12,950
but the problem is when you have a bunch of greedy vcs that pay influencers to pump some like absolute

627
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:21,030
garbage monkey token image you know auto-generated profile picture thing and then say that there's

628
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:25,490
some kind of value in it or that it has like a speculative value and that it's a good investment

629
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:33,010
right so i think that like you know i mean for one physical art to me is just classier like do

630
00:51:33,010 --> 00:51:37,670
you want to live in a house that's a bunch of tv screens on the walls and you display all of your

631
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:42,550
digital art nfts on the walls or do you want to live in a house with like nice paintings on the

632
00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:49,570
walls like i don't know yeah you know like that's that's a whole lot classier to me at least um and

633
00:51:49,570 --> 00:51:55,230
a whole lot more human than having a tv screen where you've got a slideshow of all your digital

634
00:51:55,230 --> 00:52:02,530
nfts so i just i just think physical arts classier uh and i think it's you know it's still connected

635
00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:06,930
it's connected to reality you know we're we are still physical we haven't fully uploaded to the

636
00:52:06,930 --> 00:52:12,310
matrix yet so or at least as far as we know we haven't so like being able to like hold something

637
00:52:12,310 --> 00:52:18,810
and touch it like is is pretty powerful like we haven't been able to simulate that yet in the

638
00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:24,770
digital reality maybe someday they will and like you know your digital experience will feel

639
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:32,430
identical to your physical experience super scary and probably someday will exist but so far it's not

640
00:52:32,430 --> 00:52:37,730
and even then i think a physical item is always going to have something special because it's you

641
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:43,550
know this is a physical reality uh and then the other thing is yeah just the the fact of like

642
00:52:43,550 --> 00:52:54,150
I mean, I could so easily just spool up an infinite amount of NFTs and sell them and tell people that they should buy them or whatever.

643
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:56,670
And there's very little conviction in that.

644
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:59,170
When I sell a physical print, I have to make the prints.

645
00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:03,230
That takes proof of work, takes time and money to make the prints.

646
00:53:03,550 --> 00:53:06,830
And then I have to mail them out to the buyer.

647
00:53:06,830 --> 00:53:11,150
And then the person, the collector, the customer knows they're getting a physical print.

648
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:15,270
there's not any like deception around explaining what it is that they're buying

649
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:21,010
it's also less impulsive someone can very impulsively buy an nft they can just like click

650
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:27,710
the buy now button and uh if you and then and then they have it boom instantly whereas if you

651
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:31,330
buy a print from me you've got to wait for it it's going to come in the mail you've got to go

652
00:53:31,330 --> 00:53:35,670
to the mail you now have a physical item you have to store it somewhere you have to put it in your

653
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:43,710
home you have to find a place for it and that just is a lot more conviction than clicking okay buy on

654
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:51,750
a digital photo that i made that anybody else can right click save and steal and you know i can

655
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:57,030
create them just by tapping enter enter or whatever you know on my keyboard and it's like okay boom

656
00:53:57,030 --> 00:54:02,230
boom boom boom boom there's more of them and so i that's just it's just low conviction it's just

657
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:09,670
lazy i think and uh it will just never have the same value as physical items well on like an

658
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:17,970
intrinsic human level yeah i mean i agree definitely i don't know about it's an interesting

659
00:54:17,970 --> 00:54:23,690
perspective to say the least i mean you've talked about being the remnant building citadels against

660
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:30,570
centralization in a world full of surveillance which is forever going to be increasing inflation

661
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:37,370
theft and eroding sovereignty how does creating and collecting bitcoin art serve as a

662
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:41,670
resistance or even a spiritual practice for bitcoiners alike

663
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:51,750
yeah i think that um i think that it's it's it's bringing the ideas the philosophies

664
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:59,470
and the lessons behind bitcoin into the physical realm and i'm in you know naturally i'm quite a

665
00:54:59,470 --> 00:55:06,810
minimalist uh and you know i i there's a lot of things about it's it's kind of interesting it's

666
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:13,910
it's kind of interesting too because bitcoin kind of is is once again like it's teaches you a lot

667
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:21,710
about how communism is bad and private property is important right and at the same time bitcoin is

668
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:30,510
it's a communal effort to grow bitcoin adoption and for bitcoin to function and to work is a

669
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:39,670
communal effort globally so it exists as a as a juxtapose in some ways and i think that you know

670
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:43,570
i think that that also relates to

671
00:55:43,570 --> 00:55:53,030
uh just the ideas just the ideas of bitcoin being brought into the physical world into the physical

672
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:59,630
realm and there's something about like oh nothing and be happy right and like you're gonna live in

673
00:55:59,630 --> 00:56:06,710
a pod and eat bugs and it's kind of like it's interesting because currently actually renting a

674
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:12,590
house and stacking bitcoin instead of paying you know a mortgage and the maintenance fees and all

675
00:56:12,590 --> 00:56:18,350
of this stuff on owning a home uh it's probably a better idea to just stack bitcoin and have less

676
00:56:18,350 --> 00:56:24,330
stuff that you have to deal with and kind of owning nothing and be happy and just have your

677
00:56:24,330 --> 00:56:29,530
you know bitcoin cold storage a laptop and a phone and a backpack with your camera or your

678
00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:34,910
surfboard or whatever you like to do and just like you know being like living quite simply

679
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:41,770
while stacking bitcoin um you know there's kind of a juxtapose there as well which is which is

680
00:56:41,770 --> 00:56:45,470
interesting that's a kind of a whole nother conversation but i think like the physical art

681
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:50,290
it's bringing the ideas of bitcoin and the concepts of bitcoin and attempts at conceptualizing bitcoin

682
00:56:50,290 --> 00:56:54,610
and the lessons behind bitcoin and bringing it into the physical realm and then decorating your

683
00:56:54,610 --> 00:56:59,110
space with it so you know what kind of art does anybody hang in their home and why do you hang

684
00:56:59,110 --> 00:57:05,830
art in your home and you know what kind of art do you buy to put inside of your home and so i mean

685
00:57:05,830 --> 00:57:13,010
for me I want to wake up every day and like look at stuff that reminds me what my mission is and

686
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:17,710
why I'm here and who I belong to and I feel like I belong to this global community of Bitcoiners

687
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:22,950
so I put a piece of art on my wall to remind me that I'm a Bitcoiner and as a reminder to wake up

688
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:28,410
every day and get after it and stack sats and maybe if somebody a friend comes over and sees

689
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:33,030
the painting and they go that's really weird what the heck's that opens up a conversation about

690
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:39,010
bitcoin and maybe we mint a new bitcoiner right there and then so you know i think uh ultimately

691
00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:45,190
though it's just about you know who you are and our artwork's a part of our identity and so if

692
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:51,170
we're if you're a bitcoiner why wouldn't you have a piece of bitcoin art very true of course i mean

693
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:55,270
we've we spoke about the broader worldview of course but now i mean i think we should speak

694
00:57:55,270 --> 00:58:01,290
directly to our gen z listeners many of whom as you know are inheriting massive debt fear illusions

695
00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:07,310
an additional native but increasingly I mean surveyed world what specific advice would you

696
00:58:07,310 --> 00:58:13,390
have them on embracing bitcoin not just as an investment but as a philosophical and cultural

697
00:58:13,390 --> 00:58:26,490
shift almost yeah hmm interesting I would say I would say study private property rights and learn

698
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:34,570
what private property means and study everything you can about bitcoin and study everything you can

699
00:58:34,570 --> 00:58:42,990
about ai and while you do it just remember that if it's on a screen it's not real and it's not

700
00:58:42,990 --> 00:58:50,310
it's just not who you are and you know kind of the same as you know we're not you know you're

701
00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:55,250
not your thoughts i don't know what you are but you know you're you're not all the thoughts that

702
00:58:55,250 --> 00:59:00,090
go through your head you know i mean that would that would be pretty crazy if you know we were

703
00:59:00,090 --> 00:59:05,550
completely identified with all of our thoughts which many people do and many people are but you

704
00:59:05,550 --> 00:59:11,450
know you're not the things that you own um and you most importantly you're not you know your instagram

705
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:18,990
page or your facebook page and just be really careful and don't you know just don't listen to

706
00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:24,250
your instagram feed or your tiktok feed too much and just you know take it with a grain of salt and

707
00:59:24,250 --> 00:59:28,970
remember that there are very evil very smart people out there that are controlling you

708
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:35,270
through your social media feed and it's uh interesting because you need to learn everything

709
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:39,890
you can about bitcoin digital currency and you need to learn everything you can about ai

710
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:48,410
so that you can have a chance at success in this fast you know existing digital world we're living

711
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:55,270
in but just remember that you know that's not who you are and i don't know who you are i can't tell

712
00:59:55,270 --> 01:00:01,510
you who you are but you're definitely not your social media feed yeah well i'm going back to

713
01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:09,230
actually what you earlier said about self-custody because well you emphasize self-custody and running

714
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:16,110
nodes and understanding private keys as your personal power so for young people and especially

715
01:00:16,110 --> 01:00:24,450
gen z who are starting out how do you think they should begin stacking sats but also while building

716
01:00:24,450 --> 01:00:30,130
real skills like maybe even art or something creative like that to align with the sovereignty

717
01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:38,150
and avoid those fiat traps figure out what you want to do figure out i guess to the question

718
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:45,450
before who are you and what are you passionate about and you know go go and study that and you

719
01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:49,530
don't need to go to school well you know some cases you might need to go to school for it but

720
01:00:49,530 --> 01:00:54,970
in a lot of cases you don't need to go to school you know all of the resources that you need to

721
01:00:54,970 --> 01:01:01,150
learn most things anybody wants to learn are available readily for free on youtube on the

722
01:01:01,150 --> 01:01:09,970
internet um we have this like giant i mean it's you know there's a lot of sci-fi parallels i mean

723
01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:13,810
But we have Akashic Records, the internet.

724
01:01:13,970 --> 01:01:17,650
We have this archive of anything you could want to know or need to know.

725
01:01:18,010 --> 01:01:20,390
And it's also in books and physical books.

726
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:24,350
But between physical books and the internet, you can learn anything that you want.

727
01:01:24,510 --> 01:01:28,290
So figure out what is it that you are interested in and go learn about that.

728
01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:29,890
And what do you want to do with your time?

729
01:01:30,030 --> 01:01:31,830
How do you want to actually spend your days?

730
01:01:32,730 --> 01:01:33,710
And what does that look like?

731
01:01:34,030 --> 01:01:38,250
Because the story that we were told of going to college and getting a job,

732
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:44,350
is just that's just it's i mean now it's i mean that was you know that was a lie 20 years ago

733
01:01:44,350 --> 01:01:50,610
i i don't know how many peers of mine i know who have bachelors of you know global business

734
01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:55,890
management i mean you know all kinds of different degrees and they can't find a job for the life of

735
01:01:55,890 --> 01:02:04,150
them because a degree doesn't equate a job anymore you know it's it's raw raw talent raw skill set

736
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:10,830
and even more importantly passion so if you're not passionate about something your odds of being

737
01:02:10,830 --> 01:02:16,290
successful with it are going to be pretty low or you know you're not your odds of being happy doing

738
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:22,330
it are going to be pretty low so even if you are successful so i think figuring out what you're

739
01:02:22,330 --> 01:02:27,590
passionate about i'm like super passionate about art and bitcoin so that's i'm making bitcoin art

740
01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:33,630
and i talk about bitcoin every day i got i have i have a bunch of projects like at any time i can

741
01:02:33,630 --> 01:02:43,950
go work on my projects here um and i think that yeah study ai though definitely study ai you know

742
01:02:43,950 --> 01:02:51,130
good i mean that's recent to like i'm super i've been super like anti-ai you know obviously i'm

743
01:02:51,130 --> 01:02:57,430
super like you know all the digital stuff is bad but uh recently i've been like man like if you

744
01:02:57,430 --> 01:03:02,950
don't study ai you're gonna be absolutely screwed it'll be like my generation not learning how to

745
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:08,870
use a Google search. Like if I go to get a job somewhere or someone, you know, my age, like a

746
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:14,190
millennial goes to get a job and they're like, do you have a car? Do you have a phone? And you're

747
01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:17,610
like, yeah, I have a car. They're like, cool. You can get to work. You have a phone. Cool. We can

748
01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:21,510
call you. Okay. Do you know how to like do a Google search? You know how to look something up?

749
01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:24,530
And you're like, oh no, like, I don't know how to, I don't know how to Google. I don't know how to

750
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:28,270
use the internet. Oh, I don't, I don't know how to use email. You know, they're, they're not going

751
01:03:28,270 --> 01:03:34,050
you might even if your job or the task that you need to do for whoever that is you know a friend

752
01:03:34,050 --> 01:03:39,990
a business a company just for yourself even if it doesn't in entail like doing google searches

753
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:45,690
or sending emails because you're like i don't know working as a plumber and they have somebody else

754
01:03:45,690 --> 01:03:51,050
who sends the emails like on the fact alone that you don't know how to use email they're going to

755
01:03:51,050 --> 01:03:56,250
think you're stupid and so i think you know i mean it's pretty obvious that ai is going to be like

756
01:03:56,250 --> 01:04:04,470
that like if you don't know how to use ai tools to like a basic you know comprehensive extent your

757
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:10,850
people are just going to think you're you know like luddite old boomer dumb or something you know

758
01:04:10,850 --> 01:04:17,530
so it's in some ways as unfortunate as it is i would say study ai as much as you can just study

759
01:04:17,530 --> 01:04:22,310
obviously study bitcoin as much as you can learn everything about it learn how to run a node learn

760
01:04:22,310 --> 01:04:26,710
how to send and receive transactions start saving a little bit of your money in bitcoin however much

761
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:32,130
that is even if it's five dollars a week a hundred bucks a month put as you know much as you can

762
01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:37,810
afford to save in bitcoin learn all the ai tools that you can and uh figure out what you're

763
01:04:37,810 --> 01:04:43,590
passionate about and there's going to be some way that bitcoin and ai are going to help you do what

764
01:04:43,590 --> 01:04:49,390
you're passionate about yeah i think there's a running trend amongst gen z that we're all sort

765
01:04:49,390 --> 01:04:55,490
of drawn to authenticity yeah yeah and i also think that um just going back on your point of

766
01:04:55,490 --> 01:05:01,610
like education and stuff i definitely agree it's the whole that um you can teach yourself definitely

767
01:05:01,610 --> 01:05:07,830
because i think i think i speak for most people when i say that i learn a lot more maybe off

768
01:05:07,830 --> 01:05:14,630
youtube than i do from my teachers 110 so yeah it's just kind of uh making sure you know what

769
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:21,070
you want to do and following that yeah i mean as i was saying gen z is drawn to the authenticity

770
01:05:21,070 --> 01:05:27,750
sector like memes even visual storytelling on platforms such as youtube so my question is sort

771
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:34,230
of how can they use bitcoin inspired art where they're creating their own pieces with your sacred

772
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:40,330
geometry sharing on platforms or even collecting from artists like those in your magazines to

773
01:05:40,330 --> 01:05:47,030
orange pill friends build communities and i think ultimately just resist mediocrity

774
01:05:47,030 --> 01:05:55,170
yeah i mean i think that right now being involved in bitcoin art even knowing anything about it

775
01:05:55,170 --> 01:06:03,070
is a massive you know counterculture that you can be a part of and that's amazing i i don't you know

776
01:06:03,070 --> 01:06:08,350
i don't think it'll always be like that hopefully it won't always be like that because hopefully

777
01:06:08,350 --> 01:06:13,310
will reach bitcoin or when we reach hyper bitcoinization it's like is there such a thing

778
01:06:13,310 --> 01:06:21,570
as dollar art i don't know i think that uh i think that the bitcoin artists like today such as myself

779
01:06:21,570 --> 01:06:28,190
i imagine will move into making art that's maybe that's maybe not directly bitcoin centric or it

780
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:34,630
isn't like an attempt to conceptualize bitcoin but it's just funded and fueled by bitcoin and it

781
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:40,170
you know hopefully does carry like proof of work and values that you would find in bitcoin kind of

782
01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:45,590
like you know renaissance art and stuff you know sculptures that took 10 years 20 years paintings

783
01:06:45,590 --> 01:06:51,550
that took you know a long time to make that were low time preference proof of work and not super

784
01:06:51,550 --> 01:06:59,710
just fast cheap high time preference fiat based art um but i mean right now today just knowing what

785
01:06:59,710 --> 01:07:06,010
bitcoin art is uh just knowing who some of these artists are and understanding it enough to

786
01:07:06,010 --> 01:07:11,970
understand what we're doing what they're doing is is massive you know just that alone just listening

787
01:07:11,970 --> 01:07:20,730
to this podcast is like um you're on the absolute frontier cutting edge of you know a subculture

788
01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:26,090
within a subculture although bitcoin is less and less of a subculture with all these suits coming

789
01:07:26,090 --> 01:07:33,530
But listening to this podcast right now is doing more than like 99.99% of your peers.

790
01:07:34,070 --> 01:07:36,830
So I would say just knowing what Bitcoin art is.

791
01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:43,030
And maybe if you're an artist, you know, think about making a piece of Bitcoin art and then hit me up.

792
01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:44,270
Maybe we'll put it in the magazine.

793
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:52,890
I will say this is I never went to school or I never went to, I went to very little school.

794
01:07:52,890 --> 01:08:00,090
so I this this might be uh interesting I I my parents were like hippies they never forced me

795
01:08:00,090 --> 01:08:07,070
to go to school so I did a little bit of third fifth sixth grade I did a couple months of seventh

796
01:08:07,070 --> 01:08:11,870
grade oh no I did all of seventh grade that was the only full year of school I ever completed

797
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:19,610
so I did like a couple months of third fifth sixth I did all year of seventh and then I did

798
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:25,770
I didn't do eighth grade and I did like three months of ninth grade and I have no GED. I have

799
01:08:25,770 --> 01:08:32,710
no high school diploma. I have no college degree. I never went to any kind of college. And I am a,

800
01:08:33,470 --> 01:08:39,710
like, I've been a professional chef, a sushi chef. So I've worked in three sushi bars. I've done

801
01:08:39,710 --> 01:08:47,070
private catering for extremely wealthy individuals. I have done all kinds of construction, shipping

802
01:08:47,070 --> 01:08:52,890
container fabrication, solar design and installation. I've installed orchards with

803
01:08:52,890 --> 01:09:00,470
fruit trees, like 40 acres and 400 fruit trees. And I hand installed and programmed the entire

804
01:09:00,470 --> 01:09:05,430
automatic irrigation system for the whole thing. I've worked in the hemp industry and designed

805
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:13,230
irrigation systems for that. And, you know, so I've done agriculture. I've done interior design.

806
01:09:13,230 --> 01:09:23,270
I've helped remodel a $500,000, you know, house remodel in LA. I have done custom LED installations,

807
01:09:24,270 --> 01:09:30,310
freaking custom signage, like interior design stuff for startups in LA.

808
01:09:31,530 --> 01:09:37,470
You know, I've worked a bunch of random jobs that, you know, just at a health food store when I was

809
01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:42,790
younger at an ice cream shop, you know, kind of whatever starter jobs. But then I've done a bunch

810
01:09:42,790 --> 01:09:49,950
of like more or less specialized work uh i'm now i'm a graphic designer uh shout out to bitcoin

811
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:55,310
trading cards i'm the art director and head of graphic design for bitcoin trading cards which

812
01:09:55,310 --> 01:10:01,050
if you like pokemon or magic gather check out bitcoin trading cards they're a super cool project

813
01:10:01,050 --> 01:10:06,950
with a bunch of great bitcoin art uh so i'm like a self-taught graphic designer and i make really

814
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:15,510
good money doing that and uh you know it's it's all been you know autodidactically more or less

815
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:22,110
self-taught or just taught by people and you know youtube videos i mean you'd like don't need to go

816
01:10:22,110 --> 01:10:27,470
to school to get a good job and you can be whoever you want to be i decided i wanted to be an artist

817
01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:31,510
i started selling some art here and there i decided i wanted to be a bitcoin artist

818
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:38,330
and then I decided I wanted to make a magazine and I made a magazine and I'm making money selling

819
01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:46,450
the magazine I mean you really don't you know only you know what you want to do or can do

820
01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:52,390
and then it's only up to you to get out there get after it and do it and all of the resources are

821
01:10:52,390 --> 01:11:00,330
there and so you know there's not yeah very inspirational I mean that's an important thing

822
01:11:00,330 --> 01:11:04,450
to highlight as well like bitcoin provides a solution throughout all walks of life whether

823
01:11:04,450 --> 01:11:12,230
you come from money or you're struggling like bitcoin is the solution absolutely absolutely

824
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:18,470
you know of course we all want bitcoin number to go up uh and that helps bring a lot of people in

825
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:24,070
but at the end of the day even if bitcoin even if the number isn't going up or doesn't go up i don't

826
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:29,970
care i would rather hold bitcoin than hold fiat rnc because i'd rather have a money that the

827
01:11:29,970 --> 01:11:36,510
underlying monetary policy isn't controlled by some totally evil rich dudes in uh you know another

828
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:41,150
state or another country deciding you know what that money is worth or how that money works

829
01:11:41,150 --> 01:11:48,230
so i mean that alone makes bitcoin absolutely awesome and i would rather use a bitcoin

830
01:11:48,230 --> 01:11:55,410
than than somebody else you know money that somebody else can print for free so yeah of

831
01:11:55,410 --> 01:12:01,870
course yeah and um just going back to what you said um about like all the various jobs you've had

832
01:12:01,870 --> 01:12:07,930
and uh that you didn't go to school i think that is just the proof yeah to everyone that you can be

833
01:12:07,930 --> 01:12:13,090
extremely successful in whatever you do and you don't need to go to school because i think we

834
01:12:13,090 --> 01:12:19,850
have that conversation with a lot of people we know um and i think most people that i know of my

835
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:26,450
age they're all going to uni and we just don't think it's really worth it unless you want to go

836
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:32,010
into a profession such as like a neurosurgeon or a lawyer for example there isn't really

837
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:38,550
any applicability in the real world especially as you know maybe earlier in life a degree was

838
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:45,190
so valuable because it was so unattainable for the person but now we've seen like you can get a

839
01:12:45,190 --> 01:12:53,450
degree in literally anything like it sort of lost the reason of why if that makes sense yeah and also

840
01:12:53,450 --> 01:13:00,750
especially at a such young age to be going into that getting so much debt and then not even really

841
01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:06,830
securing a job and even if you do it potentially won't even fund yourself or your lifestyle or any

842
01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:13,650
of that yeah yeah yeah it's it's super bad right now i mean i hope that a bunch of gen z

843
01:13:13,650 --> 01:13:19,450
gets out of the trap. But a lot of, like I said before, my, you know, like millennial peers,

844
01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:24,490
they are just, it was just exactly what you're saying. They're in debt right now,

845
01:13:24,490 --> 01:13:31,010
and they're working some other job that has nothing to do with what they went to school for.

846
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:39,910
And so, you know, I think, for one, you know, people get sent to go to school, go to college,

847
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:44,930
go to uni before knowing having any idea about themselves or knowing if they're even going to

848
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:51,170
want to do the thing they decide to go study and also there's just the saturation of it so it's

849
01:13:51,170 --> 01:13:55,730
like if you want to be successful you've either got to have like family friends or family money

850
01:13:55,730 --> 01:14:00,250
or connections somehow that you make like the best thing about uni is the connections you're

851
01:14:00,250 --> 01:14:05,270
going to make because you know your friend joe's dad has a company and so they'll give you a job

852
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:10,390
and you met him in uni i mean that's like unless like you said which is very true you're going to

853
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:13,670
be a neurosurgeon or you're going to study something where they literally will not give

854
01:14:13,670 --> 01:14:20,430
you the job without a degree like the only reason you're going to college or university is to make

855
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:35,075
connections and so then if you are going to college university and you listening to this like treat the connections you make even if it people that you just partying with like treat that social networking as important or more

856
01:14:35,075 --> 01:14:40,855
important than the classes themselves because those connections are like probably arguably

857
01:14:40,855 --> 01:14:45,795
in most people's cases worth more than the actual education they're giving you because the whole

858
01:14:45,795 --> 01:14:51,815
system is just a money-making machine now i have a an ex-girlfriend who she got her

859
01:14:51,815 --> 01:14:59,015
bachelor of integrative science her bachelor of integrative science i think it's something like

860
01:14:59,015 --> 01:15:02,795
that but it was like it's like a science degree like a health of integrative health and it's like

861
01:15:02,795 --> 01:15:09,055
a science degree and uh immediately as soon as she got it they just started sending her

862
01:15:09,055 --> 01:15:16,695
uh you know offers for for post-grad you know graduate stuff like it was like almost immediately

863
01:15:16,695 --> 01:15:20,455
it was like okay cool you got your bachelor's degree you did like four years of college

864
01:15:20,455 --> 01:15:25,855
here do you want to do a master's now or go for a doctorate and so i mean the whole education

865
01:15:25,855 --> 01:15:31,775
system is so absolutely fundamentally broken from the fiat world where everything's a race to the

866
01:15:31,775 --> 01:15:35,515
bottom that they just want to sell you another course they want to sell you another two years

867
01:15:35,515 --> 01:15:41,115
of school and they don't give a about if you actually get a job or not for the most part

868
01:15:41,115 --> 01:15:44,615
there's obviously some good institutions and there's good people in the educational system

869
01:15:44,615 --> 01:15:49,355
who are doing the best they can but like as a as a system as a whole it's broken and it's

870
01:15:49,355 --> 01:15:56,295
interesting because even if you want to be like a even if you want to be like a you know a neurosurgeon

871
01:15:56,295 --> 01:16:01,895
or a doctor or something you know maybe some kind of engineering where you you really do need to

872
01:16:01,895 --> 01:16:06,395
learn certain stuff at school or you really do need at least you could learn the stuff online

873
01:16:06,395 --> 01:16:12,275
probably but you need the degree to get the job you know a lot of times I think how many stories

874
01:16:12,275 --> 01:16:15,755
have you heard of people who were like oh I'm going to be a doctor and then they do like six

875
01:16:15,755 --> 01:16:20,395
years of school and then decide like I don't I don't want to be a doctor and so maybe they had

876
01:16:20,395 --> 01:16:24,315
to go do all that school to decide it but they also could have tried to get like an internship

877
01:16:24,315 --> 01:16:30,295
or an apprenticeship with a doctor like maybe go work in a doctor's office for a summer before you

878
01:16:30,295 --> 01:16:36,315
sign up to medical school and do you like being in a doctor's office like do the doctors seem happy

879
01:16:36,315 --> 01:16:41,895
like what are they working on and you can get internships pretty easily you know you can get

880
01:16:41,895 --> 01:16:48,155
apprenticeships pretty easily and so you know it's kind of crazy that it's not like a a prerequisite

881
01:16:48,155 --> 01:16:52,755
to like signing up to a college course is they're like okay well you have to go do like you know

882
01:16:52,755 --> 01:16:59,155
three months or six months or whatever a year in a as an intern or as an apprentice in this field

883
01:16:59,155 --> 01:17:05,795
before you do like four years of school for it so i mean the whole system's just broken and like

884
01:17:05,795 --> 01:17:10,935
now more than ever especially with like the rise of tech and silicon valley and startups and

885
01:17:10,935 --> 01:17:18,215
everything like you know a lot of these jobs that even five ten years ago 15 years ago you really

886
01:17:18,215 --> 01:17:23,735
did need a degree for i don't think you need a degree anymore if you are just competent and you

887
01:17:23,735 --> 01:17:29,595
know the subject matter right like is spacex is elon musk gonna like hire you because you have a

888
01:17:29,595 --> 01:17:34,415
degree or is he gonna hire you because you're like a freaking rocket engine wizard you know

889
01:17:34,415 --> 01:17:41,855
there's so many companies now that are run by um you know millennials let's say that are like

890
01:17:41,855 --> 01:17:47,635
that are like me or like you know with your guys perspective or other fellow gen zers that they're

891
01:17:47,635 --> 01:17:53,275
like i don't care if you went to school or not can you produce results and that's that that's what

892
01:17:53,275 --> 01:17:58,335
matters do you know what you're talking about and going to school doesn't mean you know what you're

893
01:17:58,335 --> 01:18:03,695
talking about so what's the point then i mean yeah not saying people shouldn't go to school just

894
01:18:03,695 --> 01:18:09,935
only go to school if you're last example and we can go on i know i kind of ramble and i'm sorry

895
01:18:09,935 --> 01:18:18,315
but there's like uh i have multiple friends who went to school for degrees and they would be

896
01:18:18,315 --> 01:18:23,175
like 10 times better off if they never went to school for that degree and they just went and

897
01:18:23,175 --> 01:18:30,155
got a job in an industry you gotta if you start as a freaking janitor and then you work at the

898
01:18:30,155 --> 01:18:36,935
company for four years if you're good and you actually want to be at this company or in this

899
01:18:36,935 --> 01:18:42,575
field you can work your way up from the freaking janitor there's many people who have started

900
01:18:42,575 --> 01:18:47,355
literally as a janitor to get their foot in the door and they're become a manager or a c-level

901
01:18:47,355 --> 01:18:52,374
executive of the company just because of their tenacity and wanting to work in that industry

902
01:18:52,374 --> 01:18:56,955
and so if you're going to go to school for four years it's kind of like if you're going to invest

903
01:18:56,955 --> 01:19:03,335
in something other than Bitcoin, you need to do the math and see, do you think the investment is

904
01:19:03,335 --> 01:19:09,155
going to beat Bitcoin? Or if you're going to invest in your own business, do you think you're

905
01:19:09,155 --> 01:19:14,595
going to make your own business make more money than putting that same investment money into

906
01:19:14,595 --> 01:19:20,835
Bitcoin? It's kind of like everything's an asymmetric, you know, is a bet against the

907
01:19:20,835 --> 01:19:26,195
asymmetric potential of Bitcoin. And, you know, you kind of got to do the same with school. Like,

908
01:19:26,195 --> 01:19:32,795
is you go work at an engineering firm as some bitch assistant are you going to be able to rise

909
01:19:32,795 --> 01:19:39,075
in the ranks faster than not going to work at a firm not going to work in the field going to a

910
01:19:39,075 --> 01:19:43,295
school that's probably going to teach you an outdated curriculum for four years of your time

911
01:19:43,295 --> 01:19:47,915
and you're going to spend four years worth of money paying them to teach you and then you're

912
01:19:47,915 --> 01:19:51,555
still going to try go and you're still probably only going to get that entry level position

913
01:19:51,555 --> 01:19:57,695
so maybe it's better off to just go get into a field that you are interested in and just start

914
01:19:57,695 --> 01:20:04,035
at low on the totem pole and work your way up and you'll be making money faster you know and

915
01:20:04,035 --> 01:20:09,635
arguably get faster or higher up in that space or in that field than if you had have gone and done

916
01:20:09,635 --> 01:20:19,515
the school so yeah very true and yeah it's just that kind of longevity rather than the like short

917
01:20:19,515 --> 01:20:24,915
yeah the short term like oh do it do it now i want to get rich quick kind of thing and

918
01:20:24,915 --> 01:20:32,355
leading on from that because i think you know gen z and a lot of people that are younger kind of

919
01:20:32,355 --> 01:20:37,095
think that then oh there must be some way to get rich quick where i don't have to put work in or i

920
01:20:37,095 --> 01:20:41,495
don't have to wait there's almost an obsession with this like fast money thing yeah we all see

921
01:20:41,495 --> 01:20:46,415
it on tiktok like guys selling trading courses there's literally so many things that you have

922
01:20:46,415 --> 01:20:52,355
to pay to make money and like yeah all just a bunch of nonsense so obviously all of us know and

923
01:20:52,355 --> 01:20:58,295
every true bitcoiner knows but um i just we want to hear it from your perspective so

924
01:20:58,295 --> 01:21:06,795
what warnings would you have to gen z and anyone else um about that get rich quick mindset versus

925
01:21:06,795 --> 01:21:14,055
the long-term resilience bitcoin demands i have tried to get rich quick many times

926
01:21:14,055 --> 01:21:23,655
and from spending years of my life trying to get rich quick working in the the hemp industry is a

927
01:21:23,655 --> 01:21:29,395
great example i mean the whole industry the whole cannabis hemp industry went totally under with

928
01:21:29,395 --> 01:21:35,955
legalization here in the united states so i mean once they legalized it it basically became i don't

929
01:21:35,955 --> 01:21:42,135
want to say worthless but you know the the value when previously it had been a black slash gray

930
01:21:42,135 --> 01:21:51,255
market you know um the value of the product went went down drastically and so unless you conform

931
01:21:51,255 --> 01:21:57,255
to the corporate structures or were able to be you know had the money to turn into a corporate

932
01:21:57,255 --> 01:22:03,295
business of some kind like you just you got left out you got left behind and like what's interesting

933
01:22:03,295 --> 01:22:10,475
is i never smoked i i stopped smoking marijuana when i was 18 years old so i i actually any of

934
01:22:10,475 --> 01:22:15,195
the time that I spent in the hemp and cannabis industry, I wasn't smoking it. So I was just there

935
01:22:15,195 --> 01:22:23,195
to make money. You know, it was a get rich quick idea for me. And it didn't work. And I feel like

936
01:22:23,195 --> 01:22:26,795
I wasted a bunch of my time that I could have been making art, which I was really passionate about.

937
01:22:27,335 --> 01:22:32,035
And so I think that there's no such thing as a get rich quick scheme. There are people who figure

938
01:22:32,035 --> 01:22:38,535
out how to get rich quick, but it's extremely rare. And it usually involves not just extraordinary

939
01:22:38,535 --> 01:22:46,874
grit and talent but also luck like pure sheer luck or some form of nepotism you know so i mean

940
01:22:46,874 --> 01:22:52,874
get rich quick schemes are for kids who have rich parents or a rich uncle right like if you don't

941
01:22:52,874 --> 01:22:58,955
have somebody who you know can inject at this point um you know hundreds of thousands tens of

942
01:22:58,955 --> 01:23:05,035
thousands millions of dollars into like an idea or something that you have um you know trying to

943
01:23:05,035 --> 01:23:13,195
make money without having money is extremely difficult and the odds of somebody trying to

944
01:23:13,195 --> 01:23:20,995
sell you a course online or some you know whatever latest crypto coin that your friend tells you

945
01:23:20,995 --> 01:23:25,575
about like the odds of you getting rich quick off of it are just they're so freaking low like

946
01:23:25,575 --> 01:23:32,395
statistically they're it's just 100 gambling so sure there's some guy who maybe did this or

947
01:23:32,395 --> 01:23:38,135
somebody who you know sold the top and bought the bought the bottom sold the top on whatever dookie

948
01:23:38,135 --> 01:23:43,495
coin you know it happens all the time out there but like you know your odds are the same as going

949
01:23:43,495 --> 01:23:49,235
and pulling slots in a casino like the odds of getting rich quick are just extremely low and so

950
01:23:49,235 --> 01:23:55,495
you can spend your life wasting your time trying to get rich quick essentially gambling with your

951
01:23:55,495 --> 01:24:02,055
time which is far more valuable than bitcoin or gold or any other anything at all and i mean that

952
01:24:02,055 --> 01:24:08,435
is your greatest asset being young is time i cannot impress that more the older i get the more

953
01:24:08,435 --> 01:24:15,655
i realize how valuable one's time is and go ask any older person uh so figure out how do you want

954
01:24:15,655 --> 01:24:21,975
to spend your time and that is the most important thing because if here's the thing if you spend your

955
01:24:21,975 --> 01:24:25,975
time doing something you're passionate about even if you don't make a lot of money from it

956
01:24:25,975 --> 01:24:34,155
you are going to look back in the future and feel like it was time well spent which is that is that

957
01:24:34,155 --> 01:24:40,555
is being rich in a way you know and spending your time well that's that's true wealth and that's

958
01:24:40,555 --> 01:24:43,915
being rich because the only reason you want to get rich is so you can choose how you spend your time

959
01:24:43,915 --> 01:24:47,355
so if you have the opportunity to choose how you spend your time now with no money

960
01:24:47,355 --> 01:24:53,455
then you know you already are rich so spend your time doing something that you love and that you're

961
01:24:53,455 --> 01:24:57,515
passionate about and that you're going to look back on and be like that was super freaking dope

962
01:24:57,515 --> 01:25:04,595
like that was that was sick that i did that um and odds are if you're doing something that you love

963
01:25:04,595 --> 01:25:09,555
you're going to get rich quicker than doing something that you don't and your odds are

964
01:25:09,555 --> 01:25:15,955
going to get rich quicker than gambling on get rich quick schemes so i mean i guess you want to do

965
01:25:15,955 --> 01:25:22,955
or what you enjoy doing and it doesn't have to be old and uh it doesn't have to be the thing that

966
01:25:22,955 --> 01:25:29,155
you do for the rest of your life but what do you like doing now and do that now so yeah as it comes

967
01:25:29,155 --> 01:25:32,715
down to i mean do what you love and the key concept of just proof of work at the end of

968
01:25:32,715 --> 01:25:35,895
date like you're not going to get any results if you don't put work in i feel like that's what

969
01:25:35,895 --> 01:25:42,655
generation needs to realize at some points absolutely i i you know there's a lot of things

970
01:25:42,655 --> 01:25:48,215
that i did that are cool and i can make them sound cool now um but i do that because i did

971
01:25:48,215 --> 01:25:52,815
them so I you know I'm gonna be just mad that I spent wasted or spent you know wasted my time

972
01:25:52,815 --> 01:25:56,815
doing stuff I didn't want to do or am I gonna make it sound cool and be like yeah that was pretty

973
01:25:56,815 --> 01:26:01,995
cool and I did learn good skills from it that is true but man if I could go back I would have

974
01:26:01,995 --> 01:26:08,475
when I was 19 20 I wouldn't have done a bunch of the things I did and I would have just focused on

975
01:26:08,475 --> 01:26:14,275
making art because I would be way further ahead in my art which is what I was passionate what I

976
01:26:14,275 --> 01:26:20,535
am passionate about you know from then so you know i mean it's all a journey it takes time to

977
01:26:20,535 --> 01:26:26,915
figure out what you love doing and like you know yeah it does it changes and stuff but um but yeah

978
01:26:26,915 --> 01:26:30,995
what you said if you do what you love and you're putting the proof of work in that it that is the

979
01:26:30,995 --> 01:26:39,215
get rich quick scheme so yeah i mean i guess just to round off then if any gen z listener wanted to

980
01:26:39,215 --> 01:26:44,715
start making their first bitcoin art for example or pursue their passion what is one piece of

981
01:26:44,715 --> 01:26:50,355
practical or maybe inspirational advice you'd give to them just to get it going i mean

982
01:26:50,355 --> 01:26:57,555
uh i mean i think it would depend on where someone is in their like artistic career and

983
01:26:57,555 --> 01:27:06,735
their artistic capabilities but think about what is something go look at as much of the bitcoin art

984
01:27:06,735 --> 01:27:13,435
that you can see on the internet um or if you can go to a conference or go to conferences

985
01:27:13,435 --> 01:27:21,735
and there's galleries uh you're welcome to hit me up shoot me a dm on twitter if i you know drop

986
01:27:21,735 --> 01:27:29,135
a comment on my posts and um think about like what's a piece of bitcoin art that nobody else

987
01:27:29,135 --> 01:27:35,275
has made yet you know what's a way how can you conceptualize bitcoin or how can you make a piece

988
01:27:35,275 --> 01:27:39,835
of art that relates to Bitcoin that nobody has done yet and there's a bunch of opportunities here

989
01:27:39,835 --> 01:27:45,375
because the space is still so small so you know what's something nobody's done yet and what's

990
01:27:45,375 --> 01:27:50,815
something that's I think there's like a special combination with art of like something that looks

991
01:27:50,815 --> 01:27:59,315
visually cool and people are just like oh that's that's sick um ideally something with a high

992
01:27:59,315 --> 01:28:05,055
amount of proof of work so like more hours spent on a piece of art generally makes the art better

993
01:28:05,055 --> 01:28:12,775
that's not always the case but generally that's true and then uh what's something some piece to it

994
01:28:12,775 --> 01:28:20,615
that's like intellectually stimulating or very clever or mimetic so like what's something and

995
01:28:20,615 --> 01:28:25,335
if you can kind of combine all of it together then you can you know you're going to probably

996
01:28:25,335 --> 01:28:32,095
make something that people just really love and it's um you know your odds of making a piece of

997
01:28:32,095 --> 01:28:39,195
art that just goes viral and sells for a lot of money are probably they're as high if not higher

998
01:28:39,195 --> 01:28:50,835
than your odds of gambling on some coin like a conference in may and i think i speak for all

999
01:28:50,835 --> 01:28:57,815
three of us when i say we are so it's so excited to see some of the amazing bitcoin artwork that's

1000
01:28:57,815 --> 01:28:59,015
coming out of this space.

1001
01:28:59,455 --> 01:29:00,935
Yeah, in Bitcoin Island.

1002
01:29:01,155 --> 01:29:04,695
So we're super excited to go there and speak there

1003
01:29:04,695 --> 01:29:07,095
and just feed off of all the information

1004
01:29:07,095 --> 01:29:10,255
that all these Bitcoiners are going to have for us.

1005
01:29:10,375 --> 01:29:12,575
Yeah, and ultimately spread the Gen Z message.

1006
01:29:12,735 --> 01:29:13,035
Definitely.

1007
01:29:13,475 --> 01:29:16,015
Again, the awareness that, come on, wake up.

1008
01:29:16,255 --> 01:29:18,975
Yeah, we need to get it going with the youth.

1009
01:29:19,815 --> 01:29:20,655
That's awesome.

1010
01:29:20,895 --> 01:29:22,215
Which event is this?

1011
01:29:23,295 --> 01:29:24,315
Bitcoin Island.

1012
01:29:25,015 --> 01:29:25,635
Where is that?

1013
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Just in Dublin.

1014
01:29:27,195 --> 01:29:32,675
it's in the uk okay that's yeah that's freaking awesome will they have an art gallery there of any

1015
01:29:32,675 --> 01:29:42,135
kind um yeah yeah i think that i'm not sure um we've the only artists i know of currently that's

1016
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in there is the house of ralphus which is this artwork behind us which is uh and there'll be

1017
01:29:48,815 --> 01:29:55,695
four pieces there so it's uh it'll be a very incredible to uh see that uh especially even

1018
01:29:55,695 --> 01:30:02,815
more stuff in real life yeah no that's awesome I uh and will you guys are you guys going to be

1019
01:30:02,815 --> 01:30:10,435
um are you guys going to be doing anything there yourselves yeah uh we're speaking uh we've got a

1020
01:30:10,435 --> 01:30:18,595
panel and also we are also going to start uh like showcasing our as we were saying earlier that

1021
01:30:18,595 --> 01:30:23,655
bitcoin school so we can uh again as we said teach the youth yeah and touch a little bit into

1022
01:30:23,655 --> 01:30:30,155
our company that's ultimately supported and backed completely by bitcoin yeah yeah that's amazing

1023
01:30:30,155 --> 01:30:37,315
that's super awesome yeah you i mean you guys are you guys have got so much just so much potential

1024
01:30:37,315 --> 01:30:41,315
in the space um that's really cool to to hear that you guys are going to have your own panel

1025
01:30:41,315 --> 01:30:48,435
and super impressive i uh yeah i can only encourage you to to chase down the other events and the

1026
01:30:48,435 --> 01:30:56,355
other conferences and reach out to them and straight up cold dms i mean i've done so much

1027
01:30:56,355 --> 01:31:02,195
in the space just by just literally cold dming people and if i can't like reach them on twitter

1028
01:31:02,195 --> 01:31:10,575
i'll just go comment on a couple of their posts and be like hey check your dms and um so no that's

1029
01:31:10,575 --> 01:31:17,155
that's freaking epic i uh i hope to see you guys at all the major conferences by by this year next

1030
01:31:17,155 --> 01:31:21,735
year we've you guys have got the orange pill order panel at all the conferences yeah yeah

1031
01:31:21,735 --> 01:31:27,755
definitely that's the dream that's the dream yeah i mean you guys are just a testament to doing

1032
01:31:27,755 --> 01:31:32,975
something you're passionate about and like being successful with it so i mean yeah to anybody

1033
01:31:32,975 --> 01:31:37,715
listening like you know if you if you get out there and get after it and you have half your

1034
01:31:37,715 --> 01:31:45,055
head about you you're gonna do well with it so yeah um so uh just before we wrap up this segment

1035
01:31:45,055 --> 01:31:52,695
is there anything little known or maybe completely unknown about you or your journey that you've never

1036
01:31:52,695 --> 01:31:58,175
shared publicly before but you'd be willing to reveal here on the orange pool order podcast

1037
01:31:58,175 --> 01:32:06,995
exclusives exclusives interesting let me think about it for a minute here um no pressure take it

1038
01:32:06,995 --> 01:32:18,815
gosh i'm trying to think of something something that i'll dox um

1039
01:32:18,815 --> 01:32:26,735
uh yeah it could be about i mean well it would be great if it could be about your art especially

1040
01:32:26,735 --> 01:32:31,655
i mean you were you were saying there was a piece behind you that hasn't been released yet i think

1041
01:32:32,275 --> 01:32:32,635
Yeah.

1042
01:32:33,975 --> 01:32:38,435
All right, let's do, we'll do, I'll do two things.

1043
01:32:38,515 --> 01:32:39,995
I've got one art thing that's small,

1044
01:32:40,115 --> 01:32:42,075
and then I've got one personal thing that's a big deal

1045
01:32:42,075 --> 01:32:44,275
that I haven't said anywhere publicly yet, really.

1046
01:32:44,855 --> 01:32:45,455
I'm sorry.

1047
01:32:46,375 --> 01:32:52,995
I feel like this is an appropriate podcast to say it on.

1048
01:32:54,175 --> 01:32:54,655
Definitely.

1049
01:32:55,515 --> 01:32:56,575
All right, I'll start with the art thing.

1050
01:32:56,575 --> 01:33:01,175
I've got a, so there's a page in Bitcoin Art Magazine.

1051
01:33:01,655 --> 01:33:07,855
And it says cipher key 9-1-2-1-6-9 down in the bottom corner.

1052
01:33:08,395 --> 01:33:13,315
And so this is a cipher that can be used to encrypt or decrypt a Bitcoin seed phrase.

1053
01:33:13,315 --> 01:33:26,795
I'm going to be making an accompanying seed plate similar to this that has these dots, which are in little groups of nine by nine.

1054
01:33:27,235 --> 01:33:30,395
And this is actually for a full 24 word seed phrase.

1055
01:33:31,655 --> 01:33:35,955
That's a piece of art using the same cipher key.

1056
01:33:36,915 --> 01:33:44,175
And so I think I will have that available for sale at Vegas this year or sometime soon.

1057
01:33:44,655 --> 01:33:49,915
And so I will be making a original painting of that cipher key.

1058
01:33:50,275 --> 01:33:53,335
And then I possibly will do some very limited prints of it.

1059
01:33:53,975 --> 01:33:57,635
And then I will be dropping at some point here when I get a minute,

1060
01:33:57,635 --> 01:34:05,975
some little treasure hunts on social media on twitter and nostr of the cipher text part of it

1061
01:34:05,975 --> 01:34:11,515
so it'll have a seed phrase that's encrypted to that painting and then the only way to decrypt it

1062
01:34:11,515 --> 01:34:16,075
i'll put some little reward sats on there is you'll have to either use the cipher key in the

1063
01:34:16,075 --> 01:34:24,415
magazine or find a picture of my art online to get the sats so that's great yeah and that's that's

1064
01:34:24,415 --> 01:34:29,015
something i've been working on that i haven't that i haven't really released or talked about

1065
01:34:29,015 --> 01:34:35,235
anywhere yet and then the other thing is a personal thing that i've been very hesitant to talk about

1066
01:34:35,235 --> 01:34:43,415
publicly or anything at all but i actually have recently become a father and wow wow congratulations

1067
01:34:43,415 --> 01:34:52,315
thank you i uh yeah uh we've been pretty good about i'm not really into like you know posting

1068
01:34:52,315 --> 01:34:58,935
a baby on the internet yeah that's just creepy and kind of i just it's not for me but um and i

1069
01:34:58,935 --> 01:35:03,175
haven't really talked about it much because in a lot of ways it's really vulnerable like having a

1070
01:35:03,175 --> 01:35:10,595
kid feels uh you know it's it's just it's yeah especially in the just in the world that we're

1071
01:35:10,595 --> 01:35:14,955
living in today it feels really vulnerable so i haven't talked about it very much but yes i am a

1072
01:35:14,955 --> 01:35:22,175
father and i have a baby now and uh i feel like you know now more than ever everything that i'm

1073
01:35:22,175 --> 01:35:29,415
doing and all of my hope and desire and energy put into bitcoin and helping bitcoin succeed

1074
01:35:29,415 --> 01:35:38,295
is for my is for my child now and so you know yeah do it for the kids right and and

1075
01:35:38,295 --> 01:35:45,655
the gen z podcast is a yeah well there you go thank you for sharing honestly congratulations

1076
01:35:45,655 --> 01:35:50,875
i'll be so honest like that like out of all the things you could have said that was like that was

1077
01:35:50,875 --> 01:35:52,595
I was not expecting that at all.

1078
01:35:54,675 --> 01:35:58,255
Yeah, that was, yeah, really congratulations.

1079
01:35:58,555 --> 01:36:01,375
And thank you for, yeah, saying that on all of a sudden.

1080
01:36:02,035 --> 01:36:04,135
Yeah, very honored.

1081
01:36:04,855 --> 01:36:06,115
Thank you for having me up here.

1082
01:36:06,135 --> 01:36:07,695
And thank you for doing what you guys are doing.

1083
01:36:08,035 --> 01:36:11,395
You know, at the end of the day, this is all for,

1084
01:36:12,195 --> 01:36:13,495
I mean, we're doing it for ourselves,

1085
01:36:13,495 --> 01:36:15,435
but ultimately we're doing it for the children

1086
01:36:15,435 --> 01:36:16,975
and we're doing it for our children's children.

1087
01:36:16,975 --> 01:36:20,575
So that, you know, someday kids, you know,

1088
01:36:20,875 --> 01:36:25,375
Hopefully the goal is that our kids, your guys' kids that you have someday,

1089
01:36:25,535 --> 01:36:26,815
unless one of you has a kid already, no.

1090
01:36:27,895 --> 01:36:28,295
No.

1091
01:36:30,255 --> 01:36:30,695
Don't.

1092
01:36:31,695 --> 01:36:37,915
They will grow up in a world that is not run by absolute, you know,

1093
01:36:39,235 --> 01:36:41,055
psychotic fiat bankers.

1094
01:36:41,395 --> 01:36:46,375
I mean, you know, I don't know if my child,

1095
01:36:46,375 --> 01:36:49,535
if that'll be the world to grow up in.

1096
01:36:49,535 --> 01:36:58,535
but hopefully kids or their kids or your guys kids get to grow up in a world where the value

1097
01:36:58,535 --> 01:37:05,195
of everything is denominated in bitcoin yeah really hope so um as you know this has been

1098
01:37:05,195 --> 01:37:13,435
incredibly enlightening and well i'll definitely say motivating 100 so of course we'll tag you on

1099
01:37:13,435 --> 01:37:19,215
all your various different social medias. But for the listeners just who want to search now,

1100
01:37:19,695 --> 01:37:24,495
where can listeners find your art, the magazine and stay connected with you?

1101
01:37:26,095 --> 01:37:30,915
Thank you very much. Thank you guys for having me up here. And thank you for what you guys are doing.

1102
01:37:32,815 --> 01:37:39,215
Let me know however I can support you in any way. So let's definitely chat and DM after regarding

1103
01:37:39,215 --> 01:37:48,875
that and uh you can find my own art at sovereign remnant.com and you can find me on twitter that's

1104
01:37:48,875 --> 01:37:58,695
at osanoa underscore gold and you can find me on nostr at primal.net slash osanoa and then you can

1105
01:37:58,695 --> 01:38:08,875
find the magazine at bitcoinartmagazine.com or on twitter at bitcoinartmag and on nostr at

1106
01:38:08,875 --> 01:38:20,915
primal.net slash bitcoinartmag and there's a link to my website on the homepage of bitcoinartmagazine.com

1107
01:38:20,915 --> 01:38:27,715
but if you dm any of the magazine channels you can also find my channels or yeah but we'll put

1108
01:38:27,715 --> 01:38:31,655
any relevant links in the description anyway just to make it easily accessible for viewers yeah

1109
01:38:31,655 --> 01:38:37,935
hopefully get some funneling towards your yeah yeah i mean and thanks again for the depth and

1110
01:38:37,935 --> 01:38:45,335
ultimately this truly powerful insight you hold into bitcoin and thank you yeah thank you so much

1111
01:38:45,335 --> 01:38:50,395
for coming on it's been an honor to have you and it's been great thank you for having me up here

1112
01:38:50,395 --> 01:38:56,495
you guys thank you for what you're doing and keep doing it don't give up i mean we won of course

1113
01:38:56,495 --> 01:39:02,935
you too you too and listeners if this orange pilled you especially the younger ones subscribe

1114
01:39:02,935 --> 01:39:09,835
like stack those sats maybe even grab a copy of that bitcoin art magazine to inspire your own

1115
01:39:09,835 --> 01:39:14,735
creations until next time stay sovereign back sats keep hodling