1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,720 I got to the point with them where they told me I either pay their rates and do what they say or they shut me down. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,040 And I told them, you, I'm just going to go make my own energy. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,200 And that's what I did. 4 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:14,660 And so I've been doing that ever since. 5 00:00:14,660 --> 00:00:21,640 And now today I co-founded and run Sovereign Hybrid Compute with an amazing team. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,280 We build sovereign data infrastructure that runs on standard energy and Bitcoin Rails. 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:43,900 Hello and welcome to the Orange Pill Order, the podcast exploring Bitcoin's role in building real-world sovereignty, resilience and decentralized infrastructure. 8 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:48,320 I'm Thomas. I'm Caelan. And I'm Finn. Today we are going fully sovereign. 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:01:04,200 We're discussing off-grid Bitcoin mining, the productive use of stranded energy, hardened infrastructure designed to withstand grid disruptions and the development of independent compute systems beyond the reach of centralized technology giants. 10 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:16,460 Our guest is a true pioneer in the space, mining Bitcoin since 2017 while operating entirely off-grid and the co-founder of Sovereign Hybrid Compute. 11 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:22,580 He's embodied the principles of decentralization and self-reliance every single day. 12 00:01:22,940 --> 00:01:25,200 Please, welcome to the show, Tarantula. 13 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,180 Thank you. 14 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:34,980 tarantula we have to ask just a little icebreaker how did your background in robotics and automation 15 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:40,480 first lead you into bitcoin and i mean eventually full off-grid mining back in 2017 16 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:52,020 so in 2017 i was you know i had been well seasoned in automation robotics logistics you know doing 17 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:58,780 IT contracting and other stuff before that. I found Bitcoin through some fiat and some 18 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:06,840 coinery that was going on on YouTube. And I got burned during the ICO phase, messing around a 19 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:14,740 little bit. And then I had a light bulb moment when I realized that the common denominator across 20 00:02:14,740 --> 00:02:20,420 all of these platforms was Bitcoin. They didn't want anything else. That was all they wanted. 21 00:02:20,420 --> 00:02:23,540 And that sent me down the rabbit hole about, you know, Bitcoin. 22 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:35,880 And so, like, by the end of the year, you know, I basically understood that this is the most elegant machine humanity has ever built. 23 00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:48,340 And, well, my previous in the before times, my previous experience was basically teaching and working with machines to move things efficiently. 24 00:02:48,340 --> 00:02:48,800 Right. 25 00:02:48,800 --> 00:03:04,380 And so when I discovered Bitcoin, it clicked, you know, like I understood how that all that worked. And so I started moving energy into proof of work, essentially, from that point. 26 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:13,580 By the end of 2017, I had already started building an operation of my own in a shop that I had built in Kentucky. 27 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,980 And then I ended up getting into a fight with Duke Energy over rates. 28 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:30,020 They were making declarations to myself that they were the only power providers in the area, that they had the monopoly in the area with Tennessee Valley Authority. 29 00:03:30,020 --> 00:03:40,880 and I was not happy about that. Being told that I can't do something or that they hold the monopoly 30 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:47,580 and that I don't have any options was unacceptable to myself. And so that's when I started dabbling in 31 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:54,320 alternative energy systems and creating my own power. I got to the point with them where they 32 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:59,000 told me I either pay their rates and do what they say or they shut me down. And I told them, 33 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:05,920 you i'm just gonna go make my own energy and that's what i did um and so i've been doing that 34 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:14,020 ever since and uh now today i co-founded and run sovereign hybrid compute with an amazing team we 35 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:19,500 build sovereign data infrastructure that runs on standard energy and bitcoin rails 36 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:27,100 yeah that's uh that's really awesome it's a powerful transition from the robotics engineering 37 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:28,800 into the Bitcoin infrastructure. 38 00:04:30,180 --> 00:04:33,040 And I suppose today you're focused on monetizing 39 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,540 stranded energy sources and building sovereign data centers. 40 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,060 Can you give us and our viewers an explanation 41 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:42,460 on what that entails? 42 00:04:44,860 --> 00:04:50,660 So there's multiple, it's a multiple faceted approach 43 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:54,060 when it comes to the data center side of things 44 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:56,280 and building them, right? 45 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:11,680 So we have a couple different things that we do. First of all is the energy hunt, right? You're constantly on the search for energy that's abandoned and or wasted, right? 46 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:28,720 And so we hunt out the energy and essentially at that point, once we find it, we deploy modular container systems that can show up and plug into whatever energy source we've found and start hashing immediately. 47 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:36,560 um the systems are now being built in a more of a hybrid manner so that we can utilize x part of 48 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:44,300 operations to offset y and z cost of operations on the other side of things and so it seems to 49 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:52,760 be working really well um the uh the approach in general overall uh currently for myself is 50 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,080 focused on flare gas from oil wells and abandoned wells is it's a it's abundant there's so much of 51 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,420 it that I really don't have to look. And I've established a name for myself in the industry, 52 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,620 and people know that I can execute and deploy. And so it's easier for me to just stick with the, 53 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:13,740 you know, the flare gas right now. Plus, the environmental impacts that it has is significant. 54 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:19,180 It's huge. And so that's another reason why I choose to stick with that. But I mean, 55 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:26,380 essentially, it's modular container systems that just go like war machines, you know, 56 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:34,300 So everything is battle hardened, so to speak, when it comes to the type of infrastructure it is. 57 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,900 Was that the same in the beginning? 58 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,180 Like, what was your first Bitcoin mining rig like? 59 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,500 What early struggles stood out? 60 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:46,840 And how did those experiences push you towards going completely off grid? 61 00:06:48,380 --> 00:06:50,160 Okay, so what pushed me? 62 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:53,380 We covered what pushed me going completely off grid. 63 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:56,700 That was fighting with Duke Energy and everything. 64 00:06:57,620 --> 00:07:03,820 But the early setups were like my first off-grid Bitcoin mining box. 65 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:13,540 That thing was so far out there in the Appalachian foothills that I couldn't get trucks out there really with trailers to drop this thing. 66 00:07:13,540 --> 00:07:18,420 is I had to have Amish guys build this container out of wood 67 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:20,220 and bring it out there with mules 68 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:24,060 because I couldn't get tractor trailers or anything else out there 69 00:07:24,060 --> 00:07:25,500 to move the infrastructure. 70 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:30,960 And we were bringing ATVs, four-wheel cycles, 71 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,220 to transport the ASICs from trucks out to the site 72 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:37,560 because it was so far out there off-grid. 73 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:48,240 um the uh i had r4s and then later s9s the r4s were hilarious because they they look like uh 74 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:54,180 they remind me of like old dvd players so they're just like flat like a blade server but they have 75 00:07:54,180 --> 00:08:04,660 rotary fans in them um the uh yeah just putting things in weird places uh like even going as far 76 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:12,080 as duct taping rigs into the hvac system in the house and stuff uh having my neighbors asking me 77 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:22,220 why my garage sounds like a jet engine um i did um what do we call it a permaculture setup with 78 00:08:22,220 --> 00:08:28,000 some people uh so like we did a greenhouse so just to see if the waste of heat would do you know be 79 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:35,540 helpful for growing food which it was um so some some experiments failed spectacularly 80 00:08:35,540 --> 00:08:43,240 but every failure taught me how to engineer the next system better and so it you know it's been a 81 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:50,960 pretty wild ride but the the knowledge gained has been vast and and extremely valuable and so 82 00:08:50,960 --> 00:09:00,560 worth the ride for sure yeah and i suppose what was the biggest lesson from those early days that 83 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:08,720 changed the way that you think about bitcoin and i suppose personal independence and sovereignty as a 84 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:22,380 home um so early lessons would be well the biggest lesson i'll say right out the gate was that 85 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:28,920 mining is is more fundamentally a thermodynamics problem 86 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,120 disguised as a computer problem. 87 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:40,920 So like every, everybody focuses on, you know, 88 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,940 hash boards and firmware and monitoring software and everything. 89 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,480 But the real battles is heat, airflow, clean power, cooling. 90 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:54,040 And so if you can manage those three or four things, 91 00:09:54,040 --> 00:10:00,860 the rest of the operation is negligible when it comes to what's going to be required to get it and 92 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:09,200 keep it going and and so like having those basically nailed down and and knowing those 93 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:15,960 systems well you can keep your machines running for a long time you know but if you ignore those 94 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:23,260 things you'll burn money faster than a6 burn electricity that's for sure so well 95 00:10:23,260 --> 00:10:32,260 But on a personal level, like going back to what you were just saying, what surprised you most about your first off-grid experiments? 96 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,520 The networking and ISP requirements. 97 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:48,320 So as we know, mining Bitcoin, you know, it involves data, moving data. 98 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:53,180 And this is the data for mining Bitcoin is surprisingly light. 99 00:10:53,260 --> 00:10:56,160 in regards to the load, you know, for bandwidth, you know? 100 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:02,640 So the, the bandwidth and the load was light, but the work is heavy, you know? 101 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,480 And, and, and that, 102 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:08,580 that was something that when I first got into it, because I'm, 103 00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:11,740 I am not a network engineer professionally by trade, 104 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:14,260 wasn't something that I thought about upfront. 105 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,140 And then as I started expanding operations and building things out, 106 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:21,740 I started reaching different bottlenecks and learning more. 107 00:11:21,740 --> 00:11:26,800 And at first glance, I didn't really realize it. 108 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:34,240 But, you know, when you think about it, you got thousands of machines and you're able to do all this work and everything. 109 00:11:34,460 --> 00:11:43,460 And you can run it on one gigabyte per month bandwidth and service is pretty impressive. 110 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:46,200 I didn't actually think about all that in the beginning. 111 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:54,940 and so that was probably the most surprising thing for me was like how much actual uh bandwidth 112 00:11:54,940 --> 00:12:02,560 requirements are necessary to you know build out a sizable operation yeah that that is surprising 113 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:11,580 i would say like i mean i think i can't really think of much kind of more like power consuming 114 00:12:11,580 --> 00:12:16,580 or like data centers, computer power, 115 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,520 then obviously Bitcoin mining. 116 00:12:18,580 --> 00:12:20,320 And I suppose going back even further, 117 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,580 Trenchler mentioned like the difficulties 118 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:24,580 wasn't like the tracking software and everything. 119 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,740 It was the thermodynamics. 120 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:26,440 Yeah, exactly. 121 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:27,640 That's interesting. 122 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,140 I don't think that's spoken about enough. 123 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:31,920 No, I don't think people know that enough. 124 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,740 But I also, they, well, in El Salvador, 125 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:39,520 they use the thermal energy to power some of the miners out there 126 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:40,360 from the volcanoes. 127 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:41,260 Very interesting. 128 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:48,660 correct yeah yeah i mean how does your way of using stranded energy as you said like flare gas 129 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:55,520 and the old generators fit into your bigger bitcoin journey and i suppose your personal 130 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:04,240 vision for true sovereignty so these systems themselves are um the way that they're built 131 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:11,360 is important to me because, again, it brings me back to the environmental impacts. So, you know, 132 00:13:11,380 --> 00:13:18,360 we're able to reuse and deploy things that just won't make it on grid anymore, right? And so that 133 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:25,540 to me is huge. You know, we reuse, we don't waste anything, and we recycle everything. And so, 134 00:13:25,540 --> 00:13:33,820 like, to me, that's extremely valuable. You know, right now, we live in this throwaway waste society. 135 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:42,300 where if it's broke, they just toss it and replace it with something new instead of trying to fix it and redeploy. 136 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:50,360 And, well, that is a double-edged sword for myself because on one side, 137 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:54,160 it allows me to get equipment for relatively low cost and deploy, 138 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:09,456 which helps with maintaining sovereignty and everything from an operational standpoint and everything but on the other side that works because of that throwaway waste type mentality that we have out there 139 00:14:10,496 --> 00:14:13,456 So if people started doing more things like myself, 140 00:14:13,456 --> 00:14:18,696 then there would be less available hash rate in the marketplace for me to pick up for cheap. 141 00:14:20,396 --> 00:14:25,056 So it's like, you know, pros and cons, right? 142 00:14:25,056 --> 00:14:31,896 so yeah that is very interesting i think it's um well very good what you're doing especially 143 00:14:31,896 --> 00:14:36,736 because i think a lot of that um just kind of oh if it's not good enough we'll chuck it away 144 00:14:36,736 --> 00:14:45,016 it's a really fiat mindset i think we all need to get away from an escape really and as you said 145 00:14:45,016 --> 00:14:50,776 like with the energy sources that wouldn't survive on grid the fact that he's able to turn that 146 00:14:50,776 --> 00:14:56,336 into energy linking back to proof of work is like what stands out yeah yeah a lot more people need 147 00:14:56,336 --> 00:14:59,996 to adopt this mindset yeah i was gonna say the exact same i mean i think the whole throwaway 148 00:14:59,996 --> 00:15:09,456 mindset is completely opposing proof of work yeah i mean you you guys you asked me like basically 149 00:15:09,456 --> 00:15:15,716 what makes it sovereign right and like true sovereignty means no middleman right no kyc 150 00:15:15,716 --> 00:15:21,316 no centralized control over your compute or your money. And we're taking 151 00:15:21,316 --> 00:15:29,976 essentially stranded energy, right? And turning it into hash power that's securing our network 152 00:15:29,976 --> 00:15:36,056 while being paid directly in Bitcoin. And so that means the entire system from the energy 153 00:15:36,056 --> 00:15:42,236 to the compute, to the payments runs outside the traditional financial rails and being able to do 154 00:15:42,236 --> 00:15:50,216 it on recycled equipment and stuff that's otherwise going to be sent to scrap means 155 00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:56,256 that we can create even more independence because we have even more equipment available 156 00:15:56,256 --> 00:16:01,416 at our hands to be able to refurbish and bring out into the field for second life. 157 00:16:01,576 --> 00:16:06,856 Like even if we run short in one place, we can still go back to market and get it in 158 00:16:06,856 --> 00:16:07,176 another. 159 00:16:07,716 --> 00:16:10,996 So it's best ops for sovereignty. 160 00:16:11,956 --> 00:16:12,176 Yeah. 161 00:16:12,236 --> 00:16:19,776 Yeah. Well, on the other hand, what challenges did you come up with when you went fully off grid? 162 00:16:19,776 --> 00:16:23,216 But more importantly, how did they strengthen your belief in Bitcoin? 163 00:16:25,476 --> 00:16:36,716 So the biggest challenges that I have seen in general are power generation. 164 00:16:37,216 --> 00:16:41,056 Power generation out in the last mile is hard. 165 00:16:41,056 --> 00:16:49,916 just in general um and because of that a lot of people get discouraged and spend a lot of time 166 00:16:49,916 --> 00:16:55,196 and money on that side of things and and quite honestly if they don't do their homework before 167 00:16:55,196 --> 00:16:58,576 they get started they're gonna fail um it's 168 00:16:58,576 --> 00:17:08,196 it's the the generation is the lifeblood of your operation pretty much it's the heartbeat right 169 00:17:08,196 --> 00:17:17,196 Now, aside from it being the most difficult thing to deal with, it is also the most powerful thing as well. 170 00:17:17,196 --> 00:17:27,816 Because, I mean, what makes Bitcoin so formidable is that it's decentralization in nature, right? 171 00:17:27,816 --> 00:17:42,116 We've had Christine Lagarde even admit that if one file is left unguarded, you know, unfound, if they were to try and black out the whole internet throughout the entire earth, that if one file survives, that it's over for them again. 172 00:17:42,316 --> 00:17:43,436 They can't stop it. 173 00:17:44,076 --> 00:17:50,556 And so the other route that, you know, they had from file is like, well, we have this electricity. 174 00:17:50,556 --> 00:17:53,756 And so they can create these bottlenecks on grid and everything else. 175 00:17:53,756 --> 00:18:19,576 And so by us building out this infrastructure the way that we're doing it in this last mile off grid stranded energy style deployments, we're not only decentralizing further the Bitcoin network as a whole from a software perspective, but now the physical infrastructure that is behind this network is being decentralized even further out into the world. 176 00:18:19,576 --> 00:18:31,636 And so I think that that is absolutely beautiful because, I mean, you got decentralized money and, you know, your money is borderless and permissionless. 177 00:18:31,796 --> 00:18:36,156 Well, shouldn't the infrastructure that supports it be that way as well? 178 00:18:36,156 --> 00:18:52,596 I mean, if, you know, if off-grid mining is like what I like to think of as survival infrastructure, you know, we're facing terrors and tyranny, the likes of which this world has never seen before. 179 00:18:52,596 --> 00:18:59,876 it and um you know because what this does decouples compute and money from fragile systems 180 00:18:59,876 --> 00:19:08,336 like if if grids or fail financial rails lock people out off-grid compute will i verifiably 181 00:19:08,336 --> 00:19:15,796 can guarantee you keep this running and then now you have energy becoming money and money 182 00:19:15,796 --> 00:19:19,096 becomes infrastructure and that my friends is true resilience 183 00:19:19,096 --> 00:19:25,996 i mean i think that approach to independence is exactly what the younger generation needs 184 00:19:25,996 --> 00:19:29,216 they need to really embrace and adopt sovereignty completely 185 00:19:29,216 --> 00:19:39,876 oh absolutely a hundred percent it's paramount to your survival if you don't want to end up 186 00:19:39,876 --> 00:19:50,276 having to get the chip and uh eat the bugs yeah very true and i think um a lot of our generation 187 00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:57,696 maybe because they were kind of brought up on the screens and like scrolling all the time is 188 00:19:57,696 --> 00:20:02,736 they've got no patience so it's just kind of if it doesn't work or do something else it's just 189 00:20:02,736 --> 00:20:07,856 kind of not really uh thinking long term and it's just kind of instant gratification 190 00:20:07,856 --> 00:20:16,816 high time preference yeah but in addition like i suppose on the other side of the coin and i 191 00:20:16,816 --> 00:20:21,856 suppose this is why we're here doing all these podcasts is i don't think there's enough awareness 192 00:20:21,856 --> 00:20:28,376 around the issues like it's easy to say yeah we're being addicted there's all so many screens 193 00:20:28,376 --> 00:20:34,016 in front of us but when you sort of trace the wire back in a sense it's the fact that there 194 00:20:34,016 --> 00:20:39,036 isn't enough awareness regarding the issues with currencies with sovereignty oh it's by design 195 00:20:39,036 --> 00:20:44,536 100 well yeah that's what i was going to touch on it there's a reason they don't teach you 196 00:20:44,536 --> 00:20:50,116 how to balance checkbook and uh how you know how the money system works in school because if you 197 00:20:50,116 --> 00:20:56,576 knew that you're going to graduate and go into this workforce and then essentially uh trade your 198 00:20:56,576 --> 00:21:02,656 time which is the most precious asset in your life that you will ever know and the most scarce 199 00:21:02,656 --> 00:21:10,236 if you are going to exit school and your primary education and then go to uni or whatever and into 200 00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:15,616 a workforce where you trade that asset essentially for something that's printed from nothing, 201 00:21:16,296 --> 00:21:21,476 which means they value you as nothing, essentially. How many people do you think would 202 00:21:21,476 --> 00:21:28,216 graduate uni and then go into the workforce? None. They would be graduating and going straight into 203 00:21:28,216 --> 00:21:35,456 how can I build a self-sufficient, you know, get me away from this fiat illusion, 204 00:21:35,736 --> 00:21:41,536 imagination land world and into a world where actual real proof of work will yield me the 205 00:21:41,536 --> 00:21:48,236 fruits of my labors versus, you know, some crazy, radical, ridiculous extortion theft 206 00:21:48,236 --> 00:21:52,696 racket that is taxation without representation at large today. 207 00:21:52,696 --> 00:22:17,836 And, you know, if people understood that and learned these things before graduation, economy? No, sir. That wouldn't be a thing that they could talk about today because it would just be absolutely trashed and destroyed because nobody, and I mean nobody, would want to participate in this system if they knew about it in any way, shape, or form properly before being just thrust into it. 208 00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:25,256 and then forced under the threat of violence to participate otherwise yeah yeah disgusting 209 00:22:25,256 --> 00:22:33,316 a lot of a lot more people need to adopt that mindset and realize the uh the whole design of 210 00:22:33,316 --> 00:22:37,916 the education system and all of that is uh yeah definitely well it's working as intended but it's 211 00:22:37,916 --> 00:22:44,076 yeah again we can't really speak on the truths however we promote our younger audience as i was 212 00:22:44,076 --> 00:22:49,796 just saying before to do your own research come to your own conclusions but one thing i can guarantee 213 00:22:49,796 --> 00:22:55,336 is that you'll come back to this space yeah definitely and also well i mean all three of us 214 00:22:55,336 --> 00:23:00,616 we're learning a level economics which is all kensian which is uh i suppose that's the equivalent 215 00:23:00,616 --> 00:23:05,336 of like high school economics yeah it makes you want to bang your head against the wall i bet 216 00:23:05,336 --> 00:23:10,816 you have to listen to that geez we're proving our teacher wrong on the stuff he's teaching us 217 00:23:10,816 --> 00:23:21,016 right in front of us and i bet he loves that maybe yeah so yeah it's uh it's interesting 218 00:23:21,016 --> 00:23:25,676 education we love to describe education as a machine to make the perfect employees almost 219 00:23:25,676 --> 00:23:32,896 yeah 100 like yeah as tom said like it's working as it sounds accurate but as you said tranchula 220 00:23:32,896 --> 00:23:39,356 if we were taught how to balance a checkbook how the monetary system works what our government is 221 00:23:39,356 --> 00:23:45,876 actually doing with the money then i think we'd be living in a completely different society and 222 00:23:45,876 --> 00:23:51,356 again yeah centralized banking wouldn't exist yeah but that's why we're here that's why we're here 223 00:23:51,356 --> 00:23:58,856 to teach the youth who are the future um and actually we're speaking at bitcoin ireland yeah 224 00:23:58,856 --> 00:24:07,376 um and that will be again one of our steps to reach more people because we just really want 225 00:24:07,376 --> 00:24:13,496 to get it out there especially to the youth because it's important they need to understand 226 00:24:13,496 --> 00:24:19,076 that this is a broken system and we can actually change it more importantly yeah as you just 227 00:24:19,076 --> 00:24:23,196 touched on there is a solution and it's what we're talking about here today yeah i mean i think the 228 00:24:23,196 --> 00:24:32,076 speaker there is like 32 and we're still teenagers and if we can grow nice this is all going on there 229 00:24:32,076 --> 00:24:36,816 is a solution yeah exactly you need to then anyone can pick up the pace that anyone can but that's 230 00:24:36,816 --> 00:24:47,536 why you know that's why we're here i mean leading on to your work more specifically what inspired 231 00:24:47,536 --> 00:24:53,136 you to launch sovereign hybrid compute and how does it grow out of your own bitcoin mining journey 232 00:24:53,136 --> 00:24:56,676 to help others gain more freedom and sovereignty as a whole 233 00:24:56,676 --> 00:25:02,756 sorry you were you were breaking up there a little bit could you repeat that 234 00:25:02,756 --> 00:25:07,716 i apologize moving moving more onto your work specifically what inspired you to 235 00:25:07,716 --> 00:25:13,856 hybrid compute and how does it go out your own mining journey to help others gain more freedom 236 00:25:13,856 --> 00:25:22,356 and sovereignty as a whole i got you oh okay um i i guess it's more like um 237 00:25:22,356 --> 00:25:29,616 have you ever been have you ever asked for a service from somewhere and then been denied and 238 00:25:29,616 --> 00:25:35,656 not given any reason or or any uh explanation as to why you were denied any service and 239 00:25:35,656 --> 00:25:42,536 been told that you're a criminal or treated like one or suspicious just because you had 240 00:25:42,536 --> 00:25:49,556 you know uh tried to to do something like open up something as simple as a vm account with herzner 241 00:25:49,556 --> 00:26:01,256 yeah so um that refusal of service and other things like it are along with my business partner 242 00:26:01,256 --> 00:26:07,096 demi approaching me about it and explaining explaining some things to me um pushed me to 243 00:26:07,096 --> 00:26:15,136 like really want to build sovereign hybrid compute um what sovereign hybrid compute is 244 00:26:15,136 --> 00:26:20,756 basically the next evolution of off-grid infrastructure. Mining is the baseload, right? 245 00:26:20,856 --> 00:26:27,016 Because Bitcoin gives guaranteed monetization of energy. And on top of that, we layer compute, 246 00:26:27,556 --> 00:26:35,616 private storage, VPN, VPS infrastructure. We're working on deploying AI infrastructure for 247 00:26:35,616 --> 00:26:41,336 workloads there. Everything should run on edge data centers powered by stranded energy and 248 00:26:41,336 --> 00:26:47,896 paid in Bitcoin. Think of it as sovereign cloud compute infrastructure that you can build on and 249 00:26:47,896 --> 00:26:54,216 then migrate your data back to your own home server, which is the goal. We want our clients 250 00:26:54,216 --> 00:27:00,316 to become self-sufficient on their own. But on the interim, a lot of people, they're stuck dealing 251 00:27:00,316 --> 00:27:07,116 with vendor lock-in and restrictions on disk space, like you deal with Azure, AWS, and these other 252 00:27:07,116 --> 00:27:13,976 behemoths in the market out there. And with what we're doing, you know, we're building, 253 00:27:13,976 --> 00:27:22,116 it gives people the ability to take control of their data again. And at any point, you know, 254 00:27:22,196 --> 00:27:27,376 if they don't have the infrastructure themselves and they want to start doing that, they can with 255 00:27:27,376 --> 00:27:33,156 us. And then when they're ready to become more personally responsible and host their own servers 256 00:27:33,156 --> 00:27:39,516 at home and do that, they can then take that whatever they've built with us and migrate 257 00:27:39,516 --> 00:27:41,536 it to their own equipment. 258 00:27:42,076 --> 00:27:51,496 And so Sovereign Hybrid Compute takes traditional AWS-style data center opportunities and drives 259 00:27:51,496 --> 00:28:13,832 it into the last mile in regards to edge infrastructure as well as giving so we not just giving resilience to this existing infrastructure in a new way but we also integrating Bitcoin Braille style payments for it and making it privacy oriented and focused 260 00:28:13,832 --> 00:28:19,592 so now you can pay for your services with bitcoin whereas you cannot with any of these other 261 00:28:19,592 --> 00:28:26,312 operators you can do so in a privacy oriented manner i don't care what you put in the you know 262 00:28:26,312 --> 00:28:35,412 name location fields daffy duck uses my service you know it's fine with me and uh so at that point 263 00:28:35,412 --> 00:28:40,672 daffy duck gets his service and pays me in bitcoin and i i don't have to worry about fraud 264 00:28:40,672 --> 00:29:05,412 He can do what he needs to. And when he's done, take his work with him so he's not stuck. He can be sovereign, too. And so essentially, we are now supporting our Bitcoin ethos and fundamentals and bringing that into LPC compute, if that makes sense, and providing that to people at scale now. 265 00:29:05,412 --> 00:29:14,532 yeah i think that's great definitely something that this space and the future will need so how 266 00:29:14,532 --> 00:29:20,572 do you keep everything running so smoothly when the energy levels change and and why is that 267 00:29:20,572 --> 00:29:29,352 important for the future of bitcoin so it's running smoothly all comes down to load balancing 268 00:29:29,352 --> 00:29:39,312 it literally it's like that's the goal um so a little bit about that is like load balancing 269 00:29:39,312 --> 00:29:48,172 and mining and compute my background behind all of it it fits very well together it fits together 270 00:29:48,172 --> 00:29:55,432 very well um so mining is the flexible load right we can throttle it instantly and and change what 271 00:29:55,432 --> 00:30:01,452 we need to and compute workloads are prioritized based on demand and energy when available like 272 00:30:01,452 --> 00:30:13,132 so example is with the ASICs we can do responsive load data center building and then with the LPC 273 00:30:13,132 --> 00:30:19,812 if the cost of operations gets to be too much if we decide we want to with the hybrid system 274 00:30:19,812 --> 00:30:25,112 we can balance that out by utilizing revenue off of one side to offset the cost of 275 00:30:25,112 --> 00:30:30,272 cost of operations on the other side. And so just like in a three phase power system, 276 00:30:30,752 --> 00:30:36,192 you have to keep the load balanced to ensure things keep going. Well, financially sites, 277 00:30:36,192 --> 00:30:43,032 they have to maintain balance as well. And with a hybrid type of compute deployment, 278 00:30:43,032 --> 00:30:49,352 you can essentially manage these balances from a financial perspective, as well as from 279 00:30:49,352 --> 00:30:52,452 an energy perspective when it comes to the site. 280 00:30:55,792 --> 00:30:57,332 That's all interesting stuff. 281 00:30:57,432 --> 00:31:05,072 And I suppose you intentionally avoid working with large public mining companies. 282 00:31:05,072 --> 00:31:06,272 Why is that? 283 00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:17,232 So I've been known to refuse public mining client companies in general because, 284 00:31:17,232 --> 00:31:23,672 And this to me, it's personal. It's because centralization kills Bitcoin, you know, period. 285 00:31:24,412 --> 00:31:30,452 The biggest threat to the network is massive industrial hash power consolidating into a few companies. 286 00:31:30,452 --> 00:31:35,052 And we've already seen this happening with proxy pools, you know, at the pool level. 287 00:31:35,552 --> 00:31:44,192 You know, I'd rather help a thousand small miners than one giant publicly traded operation because distributed hash power is the security for the network. 288 00:31:44,192 --> 00:31:52,492 yeah all right sure i i don't like we do this to feed our families and to like ultimately make 289 00:31:52,492 --> 00:31:59,012 ends meet right but at the end of the day this thing's bigger than ourselves and you know you 290 00:31:59,012 --> 00:32:04,572 set your ego aside and you know like how much you have isn't what's important it's what you do with 291 00:32:04,572 --> 00:32:10,932 what you have that's most important and so if like some of these larger pubcos were really serious 292 00:32:10,932 --> 00:32:16,852 about the ethos of our network and saying that they're there to help and provide security, 293 00:32:17,092 --> 00:32:23,612 they would distribute their hash rate amongst other pools and run the gambit differently. 294 00:32:23,892 --> 00:32:24,712 But they don't. 295 00:32:25,472 --> 00:32:31,132 They have contracts with other pools that we get this fee, you give us your hash rate, 296 00:32:31,272 --> 00:32:34,892 you give us more hash rate, you get this fee, and it's all game. 297 00:32:35,052 --> 00:32:37,392 And it gets political the higher up the ladder you go. 298 00:32:37,392 --> 00:32:40,412 So it's like that with everything in this world. 299 00:32:40,412 --> 00:32:46,772 but i mean if you understand you know what this network's all about and how to protect it 300 00:32:46,772 --> 00:32:53,792 those are the things you do and there's things you don't do right yeah i mean for people who 301 00:32:53,792 --> 00:32:57,972 might not know about mining or a younger generation a lot of this does sound pretty 302 00:32:57,972 --> 00:33:01,872 complicated but i guess the fundamentals are still the same you want to escape centralization 303 00:33:01,872 --> 00:33:08,192 you want to achieve sovereignty and proof of work just needs to be there put in your own research 304 00:33:08,192 --> 00:33:14,172 to these things and you will find right exactly that's why bitcoiners should care about like 305 00:33:14,172 --> 00:33:22,452 hybrid compute uh situations essentially i feel like more or so because right now like you see 306 00:33:22,452 --> 00:33:28,692 how bitcoin operates right and a lot of these people out there these younger people are uh 307 00:33:28,692 --> 00:33:36,492 normies uh individuals that don't understand what we uh see in regards to the patterns is that 308 00:33:36,492 --> 00:33:41,532 like because we understand bitcoin we see the strength and the resilience there 309 00:33:41,532 --> 00:33:49,592 you know we see the patterns in these other systems right like your um your internet now 310 00:33:49,592 --> 00:33:56,832 runs on basically five corporations you know your data ai workloads communications literally all of 311 00:33:56,832 --> 00:34:05,532 it like five companies whole world that's it right and this is a major problem when it comes to 312 00:34:05,532 --> 00:34:13,672 you know bottlenecks and failure points you know when amazon us1 east has a hiccup we shouldn't lose 313 00:34:13,672 --> 00:34:18,772 a third of the internet in the united states that that's just that's ridiculous it doesn't have to 314 00:34:18,772 --> 00:34:25,972 be built that way anymore you know it like it never had to be built that way either it's just 315 00:34:25,972 --> 00:34:31,492 that well if you know your history and you're willing to go down a few rabbit holes you'll see 316 00:34:31,492 --> 00:34:37,592 that AWS and Google, these are very much DARPA-funded initiatives. 317 00:34:38,132 --> 00:34:43,132 And so really, that's why they were built the way that they were. 318 00:34:43,652 --> 00:34:47,792 It's more or less you're the product, essentially, in the end here, 319 00:34:47,932 --> 00:34:49,372 under the way these things are built. 320 00:34:50,692 --> 00:34:56,092 But hybrid compute lets us rebuild the internet on sovereign infrastructure. 321 00:34:56,292 --> 00:35:01,012 Edge compute powered by Bitcoin Rails means censorship resistance. 322 00:35:01,492 --> 00:35:11,072 And privacy at the physical layer now, which is not something that people have in large or at scale currently from what I'm aware of. 323 00:35:11,072 --> 00:35:14,992 There's not many players out there trying to do anything about it that I know of. 324 00:35:16,252 --> 00:35:18,172 So it's time. 325 00:35:18,552 --> 00:35:24,112 From what we're seeing right now around the world and over the last decade, it's time. 326 00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:25,652 Yeah, definitely. 327 00:35:25,912 --> 00:35:29,792 I mean, it's such a failing system just around the entire world. 328 00:35:29,792 --> 00:35:38,452 and well i'm glad we've escaped it and um well we're living in this bitcoin lifestyle every day 329 00:35:38,452 --> 00:35:44,792 how do you well i mean we've already touched on this but how do you see the weakness in our current 330 00:35:44,792 --> 00:35:50,372 energy grids governments and big tech and what role does off-grid mining play in that bigger picture 331 00:35:50,372 --> 00:36:02,252 so like we're living through the end game right now in regards to the infrastructure and fiat 332 00:36:02,252 --> 00:36:13,532 systems failing i mean it i will say this uh people drastically underestimate the length of 333 00:36:13,532 --> 00:36:20,952 time that the fiat meat grinder can go on for like they can slow that grind down and just 334 00:36:20,952 --> 00:36:28,972 make it a crawl and make it excruciatingly painful for a long period of time unfortunately because of 335 00:36:28,972 --> 00:36:33,472 what's been created in regards to dependency and people's dependency on federal aid and everything 336 00:36:33,472 --> 00:36:41,212 right or government aid um and so like we're gonna see more money printing grids are gonna 337 00:36:41,212 --> 00:36:48,012 to continue to be fragile. They're, you know, they're all concerned about continued quarterly 338 00:36:48,012 --> 00:36:53,052 growth and profits. And, and that comes at a cost, you know, these guys going to give themselves 339 00:36:53,052 --> 00:36:59,192 raises at the same time too. That also means that money may not go where it needs to in regards to 340 00:36:59,192 --> 00:37:05,252 infrastructure and everything, right? Big tech is hitting information and controls it. And, 341 00:37:05,252 --> 00:37:12,932 And, well, building the systems that we're working on in our industry takes all that away, you know. 342 00:37:12,932 --> 00:37:25,792 And so with edge compute powered by Bitcoin rails and everything else, it's going to provide an escape hatch, right? 343 00:37:25,792 --> 00:37:40,712 Because it's like the first truly decentralized monetary network that now also is going to have, you know, compute that is also decentralized and distributed, offering individuals the right for sovereignty as well. 344 00:37:41,832 --> 00:37:50,532 And considering this, you know, proof of work essentially anchors money to physics instead of politics, right? 345 00:37:51,132 --> 00:37:53,992 And how this industry operates. 346 00:37:53,992 --> 00:38:19,952 So I think that long term, you know, there's brighter days ahead. But in the short term, it's going to be a real interesting fight because, you know, these companies aren't going to want to let go of client share. They're not going to want to, you know, give people the ability to, you know, take control of their themselves, essentially their own digital sovereignty, data sovereignty and everything else. 347 00:38:19,952 --> 00:38:27,392 And so it's going to be some very interesting times ahead, I'd say. 348 00:38:28,272 --> 00:38:38,672 The other thing that I think people are a little overly optimistic about is, I guess it kind of falls in with the timeframe. 349 00:38:38,672 --> 00:38:47,452 because that's going to be determinant upon individuals out there who haven't woken up yet, 350 00:38:47,552 --> 00:38:52,612 who haven't started recognizing the patterns and seeing what exactly is going on in the world. 351 00:38:52,612 --> 00:38:59,772 And they may feel like they understand or they may even understand the direction things are heading in, 352 00:39:00,072 --> 00:39:05,612 but they are being pushed so hard and spread so thin, 353 00:39:05,612 --> 00:39:20,912 And, you know, being forced to take other jobs and do all kinds of things that are outside their norm to make ends meet, that they feel discouraged and beaten down to the extent that they don't feel like they can learn anything new. 354 00:39:20,912 --> 00:39:30,952 Like they don't have the time to learn something new. And, well, they're right now just getting by or making ends meet, but they can feel the pressure. 355 00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:50,352 And I think that we're going to have to see more people experience the pressure and then run out of, let's say, burn rate in regards to cost of living to wake up and want to take control of themselves, stop being utilized as a product themselves at scale. 356 00:39:50,532 --> 00:39:55,492 Because basically everybody's getting whored out by megacorps at a certain level. 357 00:39:55,972 --> 00:39:57,792 And what do you do with that? 358 00:39:57,992 --> 00:39:59,412 How do you combat that? 359 00:39:59,412 --> 00:40:02,572 How do you, you know, take control again? 360 00:40:02,852 --> 00:40:10,072 Well, you have to become more sovereign in regards to your data, infrastructure, the way you live your life. 361 00:40:10,912 --> 00:40:14,572 You change gears from high time preference to low time preference. 362 00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:26,052 And then, you know, change your perspective, your vantage point, and then, you know, reassess what's going on with yourself and then the rest of the world today and then try to push forward from that. 363 00:40:26,052 --> 00:40:33,612 yeah i mean we've seen a similar sort of thing throughout all our guests i would say and how 364 00:40:33,612 --> 00:40:40,292 bitcoin is kind of the idea but again it's trying to battle that centralized foundation in everything 365 00:40:40,292 --> 00:40:46,312 i mean what what larger risk to bitcoin and personal freedom are you paying closest attention 366 00:40:46,312 --> 00:41:02,212 to you right now um so for me as an as a person who does mining um i always considered a largest 367 00:41:02,212 --> 00:41:09,472 threat to be a pool centralization and i've been screaming about it for years if you go look at my 368 00:41:09,472 --> 00:41:15,972 profile. There's, you know, if there's regulatory pressure on miners or pools, 369 00:41:16,652 --> 00:41:23,892 you know, that's a threat vector that concerns me. And, you know, cloud censorship creeping in 370 00:41:23,892 --> 00:41:32,012 to AI and AI censorship now. And if those layers are already all centralized, right, 371 00:41:32,672 --> 00:41:38,492 then the internet becomes the control grid, essentially. And Bitcoin and sovereign 372 00:41:38,492 --> 00:41:40,512 infrastructure push back against that. 373 00:41:40,612 --> 00:41:42,512 And that's why that's what I focus on building. 374 00:41:43,132 --> 00:41:44,652 Because going 375 00:41:44,652 --> 00:41:46,492 in any other direction right now 376 00:41:46,492 --> 00:41:48,712 means that you're basically 377 00:41:48,712 --> 00:41:50,432 committing yourself 378 00:41:50,432 --> 00:41:52,432 to the 15-minute cities, 379 00:41:52,632 --> 00:41:54,392 carbon credits, digital ID, 380 00:41:54,772 --> 00:41:56,492 and eating the bugs 381 00:41:56,492 --> 00:42:13,228 again We not going to eat the bugs I suppose it all just links back to like the control and centralization element like we being teenagers haven really seen the systems collapse we sort of just 382 00:42:13,228 --> 00:42:19,888 been born into it so similarly to you we're also trying and are building a space which 383 00:42:19,888 --> 00:42:26,188 will inevitably combat the forces of this centralized nature yeah oh yeah yeah being 384 00:42:26,188 --> 00:42:29,908 born into the fourth turning uh nobody said that was going to be easy 385 00:42:29,908 --> 00:42:42,608 but yet here you are welcome um but you know it's it's not all doom and gloom uh the uh 386 00:42:42,608 --> 00:42:53,248 the systems that can save us are already being built and expanded upon and now it's just about 387 00:42:53,248 --> 00:43:01,408 you know, making sure that the individual men and women out there like myself are leading by example 388 00:43:01,408 --> 00:43:09,408 so that you guys, you know, stay on the right path. The ones who don't know yet get on the right path, 389 00:43:09,488 --> 00:43:17,328 you know. It's important for women to act like women and, you know, be presentable and men to 390 00:43:17,328 --> 00:43:23,328 stand up and be men and not, you know, bend the knee just because they see that that's what 391 00:43:23,328 --> 00:43:30,288 everybody else is doing around them. And, you know, bring forward the proper, you know, moral 392 00:43:30,288 --> 00:43:38,668 and principled living that, you know, this network shows us with its consistency and ability to 393 00:43:38,668 --> 00:43:47,308 actually, you know, grow and prevail. It doesn't happen through living a life of random. It happens 394 00:43:47,308 --> 00:43:53,468 through consistency and dedication to purpose and cause and having understanding and, you know, 395 00:43:53,488 --> 00:44:00,028 the ability to love life and have a passion for what you're focused on and those around you, 396 00:44:00,128 --> 00:44:07,368 right? And so that's the way forward, you know, build it and live it, right? Proof of work. 397 00:44:08,148 --> 00:44:12,948 Yeah, I mean, touching off of that proof of work, and as you said previously, leading by example, 398 00:44:12,948 --> 00:44:18,388 we're looking to and are in the process of developing our own online space in which people 399 00:44:18,388 --> 00:44:27,608 can learn about the decentralized means of life yeah and very obviously different topics so we've 400 00:44:27,608 --> 00:44:33,088 got again well obviously learning about bitcoin because that's the uh the opener and starter for 401 00:44:33,088 --> 00:44:38,688 everyone but also decentralized health i think that's very important um we had an episode 402 00:44:38,688 --> 00:44:41,088 So Bruce's health is wealth. 403 00:44:41,568 --> 00:44:43,648 And it's, yeah, very, very true. 404 00:44:44,508 --> 00:44:50,608 And again, for the future, for the Gen Z listeners who want to start their own Bitcoin journey, 405 00:44:50,608 --> 00:45:00,648 what simple steps would you suggest that they learn, like real skills or should they try mining and begin building real sovereignty? 406 00:45:00,648 --> 00:45:13,388 um well um i would say that this is a multifaceted type of uh question here i mean just 407 00:45:13,388 --> 00:45:22,848 overall advice in general for like with with mining um just get your hands on an asic right 408 00:45:22,848 --> 00:45:25,848 and start. 409 00:45:26,108 --> 00:45:28,908 The principles are very much similar 410 00:45:28,908 --> 00:45:30,448 all throughout the industry. 411 00:45:30,788 --> 00:45:33,108 It's just getting your hands on it. 412 00:45:34,408 --> 00:45:38,348 Ultimately, and this is a cover all, 413 00:45:38,908 --> 00:45:39,928 learn real skills. 414 00:45:40,768 --> 00:45:43,008 Just not soft skills 415 00:45:43,008 --> 00:45:44,468 or else you're going to end up being 416 00:45:44,468 --> 00:45:47,228 a very soft individual long-term. 417 00:45:47,788 --> 00:45:48,448 It's going to hurt. 418 00:45:49,088 --> 00:45:49,828 Life is hard. 419 00:45:50,268 --> 00:45:51,428 If you don't have the skills 420 00:45:51,428 --> 00:45:55,928 that are necessary to navigate it, that storm will eat you up. 421 00:45:56,648 --> 00:46:02,828 And so learn real skills, electrical, plumbing, networking, thermodynamics. 422 00:46:04,108 --> 00:46:08,688 I would say coding, but now probably that would be AI prompting. 423 00:46:10,628 --> 00:46:13,928 You know, things that interact with the physical world, right? 424 00:46:14,768 --> 00:46:18,008 Buy Bitcoin, think in decades, not months. 425 00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:24,648 run a node like i said run the node run the miner experiment with mining things like just start 426 00:46:24,648 --> 00:46:31,688 small right build things that can operate outside centralized systems you know like find you know 427 00:46:31,688 --> 00:46:38,528 decentralized chats and other things that you know you can operate on your own with other peers that 428 00:46:38,528 --> 00:46:46,828 do not require a third party um and just always remember low time preference wins every time 429 00:46:46,828 --> 00:46:52,008 yeah definitely i mean yeah i think that's excellent guidance really i think you kind 430 00:46:52,008 --> 00:46:56,748 of covered all bases there you you commented on ai do you think for a younger generation that 431 00:46:56,748 --> 00:47:04,828 would be a threat or a tool or is that is there a balance within that so it depends on where it goes 432 00:47:04,828 --> 00:47:13,528 um and i think it depends on the people see like i have heard speculation about ai being 433 00:47:13,528 --> 00:47:18,328 And well, AI was previously developed for military intelligence, right? 434 00:47:18,328 --> 00:47:21,108 And then it's been given to the public. 435 00:47:21,528 --> 00:47:25,868 And so people can teach it basically and make it better. 436 00:47:26,348 --> 00:47:29,328 And now what we're seeing, we're seeing here again. 437 00:47:30,048 --> 00:47:37,548 Now we're seeing government stepping in to tell Anthropic and other AI giants what to do, right? 438 00:47:37,548 --> 00:47:53,448 And I think that there could be a psyop where somebody creates something that causes, you know, some terrible thing to happen for a bunch of people. 439 00:47:53,448 --> 00:47:57,108 And they'll say that they'll claim that they used AI to do it. 440 00:47:57,508 --> 00:48:04,888 And then this will, you know, give probable cause for government to step in and say, oh, this can be used as a weapon now. 441 00:48:04,888 --> 00:48:26,668 And so we're going to take control of it. And, you know, it's going to be only able to be used by these people under these circumstances. Or, you know, this is a, there will be versions of AI, they're only available to public use. And, you know, it's just, it's all going to be determined about how it's used and how people interact with it in general, I think. Right. 442 00:48:26,668 --> 00:48:33,648 but working on building systems that give people the ability to do it themselves 443 00:48:33,648 --> 00:48:41,628 guys like me eric case and and others are trying to take and you know put these tools you know 444 00:48:41,628 --> 00:48:48,888 squarely back into the hands of people and so that they can be run in a more decentralized and 445 00:48:48,888 --> 00:48:54,188 sovereign manner and people can get what they need out of it instead of them also getting 446 00:48:54,188 --> 00:48:57,728 value extracted from them as they currently are, 447 00:48:57,848 --> 00:49:00,588 as they are the product, you know, like I said before. 448 00:49:01,348 --> 00:49:06,508 So the tools are out there to keep it moving forward 449 00:49:06,508 --> 00:49:08,708 in ways that are most beneficial for everybody. 450 00:49:09,368 --> 00:49:14,408 It's just, you know, the direction from how fast we get there from now, 451 00:49:14,888 --> 00:49:17,548 I feel like it's going to be determined widely upon 452 00:49:17,548 --> 00:49:20,348 how the current market's utilizing it. 453 00:49:21,488 --> 00:49:22,048 Yeah. 454 00:49:22,248 --> 00:49:22,768 Yeah, definitely. 455 00:49:22,768 --> 00:49:23,248 Yeah. 456 00:49:24,188 --> 00:49:25,988 I mean, I think there's always that threat 457 00:49:25,988 --> 00:49:28,448 that it kind of eliminates the proof of work side of things. 458 00:49:28,568 --> 00:49:30,288 I mean, we were talking to TC, weren't we, 459 00:49:30,328 --> 00:49:33,488 and how our younger generation can maybe become too dependent on it. 460 00:49:33,588 --> 00:49:39,908 But again, as you say, it can enable people to gain sovereignty as well. 461 00:49:40,048 --> 00:49:41,388 So I think there's two sides to that coin. 462 00:49:41,388 --> 00:49:45,348 Yeah, and in addition, as what Mark was stated previously, 463 00:49:45,748 --> 00:49:48,788 learning those applicable and real-world skills 464 00:49:48,788 --> 00:49:51,428 is now more important than ever. 465 00:49:51,428 --> 00:49:57,328 because like as i said coding was once such a sought-after position like if you could work a 466 00:49:57,328 --> 00:50:03,568 computer you you easy career path and a lot of money involved there now too but with ai such as 467 00:50:03,568 --> 00:50:10,868 you can do it pretty much just at the click of a few buttons yeah you can just talk to it now 468 00:50:10,868 --> 00:50:17,068 and and like you you don't even have to be extremely proficient with a computer anymore 469 00:50:17,068 --> 00:50:23,828 it's like yeah i feel bad for people coming out of college with debt for coding degrees 470 00:50:23,828 --> 00:50:31,928 wrecked we see so many of our friends and peers going into university not knowing the truth behind 471 00:50:31,928 --> 00:50:37,128 it all and how their jobs oh yeah it's sad to see honestly going back to the meat grinder thing as 472 00:50:37,128 --> 00:50:42,548 well the fiat meat grinder not just with the monetary policies but with the education system 473 00:50:42,548 --> 00:50:49,108 too like ai grows exponential rate it's only going to get better and by each time it will get 474 00:50:49,108 --> 00:50:56,128 more better than last if that makes sense so a lot of these entry-level jobs which a lot of gen z 475 00:50:56,128 --> 00:51:04,088 will be looking at post-graduation a lot of the the roles where you're sort of being a assistant 476 00:51:04,088 --> 00:51:11,268 for lawyers bookkeepers all of it can be done by ai now yeah and it will just force a lot of people 477 00:51:11,268 --> 00:51:17,868 into a position where they don't really have an income yeah so i'm just ultimately will be 478 00:51:17,868 --> 00:51:24,648 reliant on the government yeah yeah that's terrible but it's like it's what they want 479 00:51:24,648 --> 00:51:30,088 it's by design it's well designed yeah i mean how much can you truly trust it as well i mean 480 00:51:30,088 --> 00:51:36,948 like you commented on tranchula the censorship from governments now on ai as well you basically 481 00:51:36,948 --> 00:51:44,448 find out what they want you to find out yeah it's it's uh very interesting my experience using it 482 00:51:44,448 --> 00:51:52,228 from when i first started till now it used to just tell me things and now it tells me things it's 483 00:51:52,228 --> 00:51:58,308 it is i'll say that it just seems to be a little bit more careful about what it tells me 484 00:51:58,308 --> 00:52:03,668 now i'm just like why are you being this way 485 00:52:03,668 --> 00:52:09,668 i'm thinking somebody else is pulling your strings now homie i know what's going on here 486 00:52:09,668 --> 00:52:15,848 caught on to like the hypotheticals like you could ask it certain questions but word it in a way 487 00:52:15,848 --> 00:52:19,608 in which it looks like you weren't asking the question but now it's completely like nope can't 488 00:52:19,608 --> 00:52:27,568 help you with that yeah but yeah but we would like to close with a question that consistently 489 00:52:27,568 --> 00:52:29,788 gets asked on our channel 490 00:52:29,788 --> 00:52:31,568 Tranchler, what is 491 00:52:31,568 --> 00:52:33,908 a lesser known or entirely 492 00:52:33,908 --> 00:52:35,688 unknown detail about your 493 00:52:35,688 --> 00:52:37,568 work or your background 494 00:52:37,568 --> 00:52:39,408 that even long time 495 00:52:39,408 --> 00:52:41,628 followers probably don't 496 00:52:41,628 --> 00:52:43,368 know? There's no pressure 497 00:52:43,368 --> 00:52:44,708 No pressure at all 498 00:52:44,708 --> 00:52:49,608 I didn't always have this 499 00:52:49,608 --> 00:52:51,068 awesome amazing beard 500 00:52:51,068 --> 00:52:54,788 It is 501 00:52:54,788 --> 00:52:57,108 an incredible beard 502 00:52:57,108 --> 00:52:57,768 It is incredible. 503 00:52:58,768 --> 00:52:58,968 Yeah. 504 00:52:59,268 --> 00:53:02,808 Just as a final, just before we wrap up, 505 00:53:03,688 --> 00:53:04,988 why the name Tarantula? 506 00:53:06,388 --> 00:53:10,768 It's something that I ended up acquiring in the before times 507 00:53:10,768 --> 00:53:14,228 during an automation facility debacle. 508 00:53:14,888 --> 00:53:17,728 There were some people afraid of cleaning out a case director 509 00:53:17,728 --> 00:53:22,288 and they, well, I got there, there were some spider webs 510 00:53:22,288 --> 00:53:24,248 and I was a little frustrated. 511 00:53:24,428 --> 00:53:26,128 I said, you guys call yourself grown men. 512 00:53:26,128 --> 00:53:31,888 and yet here you are, a little arachnid, got you scared to do your job, 513 00:53:32,468 --> 00:53:38,868 sent them home, told them, you know, I get to take care of this myself now 514 00:53:38,868 --> 00:53:43,108 because I can't rely on you two kids to do this work. 515 00:53:43,108 --> 00:53:49,848 So sent them home and got back to my office later, putting tools away, 516 00:53:49,908 --> 00:53:55,348 and I sit at my desk, and there's a picture of a tarantula telling me to go off 517 00:53:55,348 --> 00:53:56,588 because I destroyed his house. 518 00:53:57,468 --> 00:54:03,288 And I told individuals that this is not even the correct type of arachnid species 519 00:54:03,288 --> 00:54:04,768 for what we're dealing with here, one. 520 00:54:05,228 --> 00:54:10,828 Two, you guys would rather take the time to actually make a frigging meme here 521 00:54:10,828 --> 00:54:13,808 and do this instead of actual work. 522 00:54:13,808 --> 00:54:20,748 It just speaks more even to the fact that you're just a bunch of little boys 523 00:54:20,748 --> 00:54:23,368 and not what I would call respectable men. 524 00:54:23,368 --> 00:54:27,468 So from now on, that's Mr. Tarantula to y'all. 525 00:54:27,648 --> 00:54:30,868 And I wouldn't answer the radio until they hit like that. 526 00:54:31,368 --> 00:54:34,928 And then when I got into Bitcoin, you know, the name evolved. 527 00:54:35,128 --> 00:54:41,388 It was not my Tarantula Bitcoin, then HODL Bitcoin Tarantula. 528 00:54:41,828 --> 00:54:48,408 Then there was HODL Tarantula Bitcoin, and then it was just HODL Tarantula. 529 00:54:48,888 --> 00:54:50,268 And now I just go by HT. 530 00:54:51,268 --> 00:54:51,568 Yeah. 531 00:54:51,568 --> 00:54:59,508 Well, Mr. Tarantula, thank you for the thoughtful and insightful conversation. 532 00:54:59,948 --> 00:55:06,968 Where can listeners' thoughts work, learn more about Sovereign Hybrid Compute, or explore potential collaboration? 533 00:55:08,608 --> 00:55:17,368 So you can find me on X at Hodl Tarantula, and you can check out SovereignHybridCompute.com. 534 00:55:17,368 --> 00:55:19,268 There's also a link there in my profile. 535 00:55:19,268 --> 00:55:21,128 to see what we're building. 536 00:55:21,608 --> 00:55:23,328 If you're an energy producer, 537 00:55:23,928 --> 00:55:26,768 a miner or a builder interested in the mission, 538 00:55:26,768 --> 00:55:29,248 you understand what we're trying to do here. 539 00:55:30,228 --> 00:55:32,048 Just appreciate off-grid, 540 00:55:32,568 --> 00:55:34,968 battle-hardened, sovereign infrastructure in general. 541 00:55:35,448 --> 00:55:36,048 Reach out. 542 00:55:36,628 --> 00:55:38,048 The mission's simple. 543 00:55:38,548 --> 00:55:40,468 Turn wasted energy into sovereign compute 544 00:55:40,468 --> 00:55:42,228 and secure the Bitcoin network. 545 00:55:42,868 --> 00:55:44,048 Proof of work is our law. 546 00:55:46,208 --> 00:55:48,148 Listeners, follow the builders, 547 00:55:48,148 --> 00:55:56,368 support independent infrastructure and remember true sovereignty begins with action look below 548 00:55:56,368 --> 00:56:01,428 for all relevant links as well tarantula thank you for joining us stay sovereign stacks out and 549 00:56:01,428 --> 00:56:04,348 keep hodling yeah brother thanks for having me