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The Snap.
A podcast by me, your host, Katie.
And me, your host, Ainsley.
Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the
Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space.
As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around
a broken music industry.
Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space.
And thought, why not give it a try?
In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far.
How that definition is changing.
And where the space comes in.
We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix.
We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard.
We're so glad you're here.
So let's get to it.
Hello.
Hi.
How are you?
Do you have menopause?
sorry that's what we sounded like like you know those infomercials yeah have you or a loved one
been um you have been exposed to mesothelioma you may be entitled to financial compensation
that's the one i was going for but i just lost my lost my train of thought but i was just gonna
go for it yeah that was a very serious intro well hey what's oh what's the other one um
it's i'm calling to see if your refrigerator is working that old one i'm calling to see if your
refrigerator is running no sir it's still in my house
it's such a dad joke it is or have you seen those videos of like wives pranking their husbands where
there's like they're like babe water is running from the sink and then they'll put water bottles
in shoes running away from it it's awesome no i haven't seen that um okay speaking of wives
pranking their husbands yeah have you seen all the stuff going around about the anthro rock
yes i saw that video last night where the wives i was home i would have done that to my dad
so fast oh my gosh and like having met your dad a couple of times oh he would have i can see the
reaction that would be so funny oh gosh i would have bought a rock oh yeah he would have been like
katie are you stupid you bought a rock did you forget the farm you grew up on
did you forget the roots i was like okay if you didn't let me buy my scotch i am going to buy a
rock this is really your problem oh my gosh the gin we talked about that yeah yeah oh yeah oh it
wasn't scotch it was the gin but i mean close close yeah um i went guess where i went yesterday
where i went to the liquor store
because what did you buy i bought april
because i am a sophisticated lady i go there to buy um amaretto and chambord oh and they look at
me like oh i picked out the big bottle of chambord because what's that it's like um it's a liqueur
um i want to say it's cherry but i i don't know it's like a red fruity yum liqueur yum and you
put it in drinks or in champagne you can make a corral um that's with and or chambord and then
champagne it looks really pretty it looks pink it's a fun drink if you don't like champagne or
it's too like tart for you it makes it sweet um very nice interesting so i like that like i'll do
that granted i'm not having champagne a lot but i like the big bottle because i just went through
the mini bottle and i was like you know what like and i went through that bottle in like a year like
you know so i was like i'll just buy the big bottle exactly and i pull it off the shelf and
he goes oh let me see if we have more mini ones in the back for you excuse me why would you assume
that i want the mini and i was like no it's okay this is what i want i know it's okay i i've bought
i've watched him board like i know what i'm making and it's for my friend because you know
her birthday and he was like oh okay and he like looked at me really and i knew it wasn't the same
guy because that same liquor store i've gotten in there and bought my really big bottle of amaretto
you've seen yes seen that bottle is it it's the is it the fancy one that's just the circle with
like little rose on top um or maybe i'm just thinking of like pictures of amaretto that i've
seen there is a bottle that looks like that uh-huh the one that i have is a square and it has like a
square top oh and this guys this is my scotch y'all will pay hundreds of dollars for your little
bottles of scotch i paid 50 at the local liquor store to get a bottle of my amaretto that i like
it is ginormous yeah it lasts until the apocalypse
I don't know if the apocalypse hits that's the first thing I'm going for
I'm getting my money's worth for sure no if the apocalypse hits I'm gonna be like I'm gonna get
wasted for the first time in my life oh my gosh like I'm going off the rails yeah go out with a
bang why not oh my gosh but I went to the Licka Stowe yesterday and I was overwhelmed by the
choices by all of the things that I've only, you know, heard of that I saw in real life.
Yeah.
For the first time I went across the street from my local Publix and I had a great time.
I got myself a little bottle of a Vaparol or Apertivo, whatever you want to call it.
And I made myself not one, but two Aperol spritzes with dinner last night.
Oh my goodness.
Going crazy.
Thank you.
Actually, well here, this ties into one of the things that I wanted to talk about.
So actually, this picture that I'm about to show you is girlhood.
I made myself my first little glass of Aperol Spritz.
Nice.
Whilst I was glam testing and makeup testing for the look that I'm going to do for this music video that I'm shooting on Sunday.
Tell me or tell me not.
Do you want to come pregame with me?
Oh my gosh.
The glass is everything.
it's this massive balloon glass that i think we've had since i was like negative six
and the orange slice in there the orange slice my makeup desk is it looks like it was hit by a
tornado if this is a tornado you do not want to see what my makeup desk has looked like
because and i'm sorry for the people who can't see the photo this is a white desk
and I zoomed in on said white desk.
It's very clean.
Oh, it's really not, though.
Okay, but what's in the photo is like a few brushes
kind of scattered across it.
Her drink, a beauty blender, and a mirror.
And then some products behind it.
I'm sorry.
I think you're too hard on yourself
because that's insane if you think that's what I want to do.
well the rest of the I've also seen your house though
so I understand for for me a tornado is like you know there's a rogue eyelash somewhere right
so um well whilst I just showed you this picture let me show you and I want your honest
feedback and reaction actually I need to find a better picture of this makeup look that I have
been testing my eyes are scrubbed raw right now I have done I've been doing this makeup look on
myself about three times a day and I don't even have makeup wipes so I'm like using these like
sanitary wipes that they don't have bleach in them I think they're for your body that I just
found in my in a cabinet somewhere but I'm like I think they're for your body
watch you're using like Clorox's cousin
well it's okay it's fine so give me your honest feedback and opinion and also like don't mind me
like trying to serve a cute little smile thinking that i'm like all that give me your honest thoughts
on this look it gives very 2016
okay okay i'm listening is it too much it gives nikki tutorials cut crease
i love nikki with the um what's it i have the palette the james charles no not james charles
it's the modern renaissance palette like the inner corner whoa the inner corner sparkles um
yeah i want like see i want it here's the thing i always think that i'm a little bit of a better
makeup artist than I actually am. No I see the vision though. You are a great makeup artist.
Thank you. I could not do what you do. That's why I normally have fake eyelashes. Hey to each their
own. Welcome to Ainsley and Katie makeup review podcast. So the look here that and I am going to
say that like I am my own makeup artist I am my own hair artist I am my own stylist when it comes
to all these so I am like going off of a of a chapel rhone Pinterest makeup look and a dream
okay and so like because this video that we're gonna do and it's probably going to be out or
just about to come out by the time that this episode is airing I want it to be a little weird
to look at like I want it to be a little angular like and not so like I don't want it to be like a
soft like I'm getting married wedding glam like I want it to be kind of weird but also I like I
know what you mean kind of bold almost like theater makeup yes but not too campy yeah like I I see the
vision i think because your eye shape with the pink with like it the pink makes your eyes pop
so it makes your eye shape like stand out more so i think if you accentuated that with like the
wing maybe isn't too long but i think it's just too high but i like the cut like i'm trying to
figure out a way that i can draw it and i'm trying to figure out like the placement of where to put
on my eye because I don't think I've I have a lot of real estate on my eye to work with like some of
these girls though you do though I don't think I do I mean you you do yeah I mean maybe it is a
little too far up there now that I'm looking at it I came down the first time I tried that look
and I was like mom what do you think of this thinking that I absolutely ate and slayed it
boots the house down and she was like no because actually you want to see the first one it was
actually even more crazy than that look at this wait a second would you like this more okay so okay maybe not the line down the nose okay but i like because i was trying to recreate that
and i don't know how i did that i don't know maybe i like this one because you packed the
pink more okay and I can see that more um still the same thing I think maybe you just need to go
like okay I'm trying to I'm trying to draw it hold up yeah also I'm really excited because I found a
pink mascara a couple months ago but I it was so dry and crusty that when I put it on my eyes that
it didn't even work and so then I pulled out my 2016 YouTube hack you put the contact solution in
and I mixed it all up and it goes on my lashes like a dream now do my lashes feel like a crusty
bag of Doritos when I'm trying to take that uh that mascara off sure but it is for the greater good
oh I think
I love your makeup thank you I love your brand with all the pink
anybody who says any different can talk to me about it thank you appreciate it yeah Katie and
like we've talked at length about this before like I think this is one of the reasons we
compliment each other so well like I look if you look at me in my full stage gear you're being
visually assaulted by princess Pepto and then you look at Katie the Pepto Bismol yes princess
Pepto reporting for duty um and then you look at Katie who shows up in her beautiful like bodycon
evening gown glowy dewy goddess and I'm like you know you got a point there maybe I need to just
not put so much on my body at all times no I I really like the makeup I just for me it's a little
bit too much time to devote to something that I really am not like that passionate about like I
think at some point I would love to have somebody to work with that's really passionate about makeup
yeah and like I could work creatively with someone to do that but I'm just not that person yeah I
tried to be when i was younger and i tried to get into makeup and like really love it and i can do
like eyeshadow every now and then have some fun yeah but like
whenever i wear face makeup i just want to itch my face off yeah it's real and i know that and
every time i say that every immediate response is like well you never had acne growing up which hey
you're not i had acne but i did not have acne acne so i never really had like felt the need
to wear full coverage makeup so i understand that for other people they really felt the need to do
that and i mean societal pressures and that's a whole different conversation for sure but
i really appreciate the people that can do that and i know for performing i need to wear like
some sort of defining thing so that people can see me from well yeah but that doesn't necessarily
have to be your makeup like that can be your hair that can be your dress like right for sure right
and i mean so far so good i've set up a good sort of little brand but i think
like speaking of brands and like music world we should get into some of the topics that you were
telling me about yes absolutely um yes speaking of some of this news this makeup look that i just
show you i probably won't be wearing to any uh live nation ticket master uh associated concert
um so here's here's something here's something that i i read on god's internet this week
god's internet so the ftc is suing life nation and ticket master for what seems like the umpteenth
time so and i'm going to read this quote and um i'm gonna link the article that i'm like reading
off of um i'm just gonna read this whole thing it might take a second the complaint alleges that
ticket master violated the bots act the 2016 law forbidding the use of bots to buy tickets in online
stores live nation has in the past supported the bots act the ftc notes that live nation's policy
is to allow artists to set ticket purchase limits themselves but quote in private defendants have
tactfully work with those same scalpers allowing them to unlawfully purchase millions of dollars
in tickets in the primary market so that defendants can extract more profits for themselves when
reselling those tickets on the secondary market the complaint states that in 2018 ticket master
identified five ticket brokers who controlled 6,345 ticket master accounts and possessed more
than 246,000 tickets to 2,600 events which that's a lot to digest I will say that's crazy and I I
could be reading this wrong but the part about um how allowing um the quote defendants the artists
to set the ticket prices themselves on their website when they're announcing tours and stuff
and then saying that the defendants have tactfully worked with those same scalpers,
allowing them to unlawfully purchase millions of dollars in tickets.
I read that, and I could be wrong, as if like a lot of the artists
or a lot of artists who have done major tours in the past couple of years
have come out and said something to the extent of like Ticketmaster
is the one who, you know, messed this whole thing up,
made the queues crazy and made the fees and stuff crazy.
um but i read that as the artists are putting blame are part of the problem but then there's
a little bit more here so live nation in 2023 just switched to an all-in ticket pricing model
where you see how much you're going to pay up front which like they only did that in 2023 two
years ago shouldn't that be the bare minimum like i mean i think we saw it with um with the
heiress tour we just saw it again with ariana grande announced her eternal sunshine tour which
also is if anybody has an extra ticket to that please let me know i would love to go to that um
but like the hidden fees that the fans will here's the thing my thing about um ticket prices and
concerts music is a global connector and it should be for everybody
families should not have to pay upwards of 300 per one ticket for nosebleed seats if you're
taking a family of four to you know a major touring act like an Ed Sheeran or a Beyonce
and each ticket is you know 300 that's a thousand dollar night not counting parking not counting
food not counting if you have traveled to see the show not counting hotels like the the monopoly
that Live Nation and Ticketmaster holds over the fans.
It's not really even the artists.
We're just talking about the fans here.
Well, and if it comes out that the artists,
while blaming publicly all of it on a different company
and those same artists were getting kickbacks
from those companies, woof.
Yeah, absolutely.
Woof.
It's crazy.
like music is the thing that brings us all together and you know we've there have been
um other artists who I think have been called out on this in the past where um they've kind of built
their brand off of like the working family the working class this is who I'm making my music for
and then when it comes time to see that in action the ticket prices are inordinate amounts and it's
so hypocritical um and I mean a lot of artists have been doing that and like I can't I can't tell
which one is like quote better like the artists who come out the gate and say on their first tour
you know tickets are upwards of five hundred dollars or if the artists who claim to be
like for the working man kind of like over time bump it up right I it's tricky because then it goes
well, is it the artist or is it the manager or the label or the subsidiary that's running them?
It's probably a mix of everyone.
Or is it the artist that's setting the ticket price, wanting to set it at a low price,
potentially not knowing that they're getting kickbacks for selling it at a higher price second market?
Yeah.
So, like, it's just all messed up, though.
Like, capitalism, Jesus.
let me read you one more other thing that was crazy about this whole thing consumers paid over
16.4 billion dollars in mandatory fees on ticket purchases from ticket master i don't know you know
from what time period that was but 16 billion dollars in fees like the the fees that you see
on like when you are checking out on ticket master it's like a computer processing fee which is like
a robot doing that right so you're telling me that i have to pay however much more money for
an algorithm to run its thing and then you're telling me oh i had to pay this fee because i
waited in the queue for seven hours huh and the thing is if that company were to just come out and
say this is what the fees go to and this is why and this is where everything goes to
it would be less
able for you to be hated on yes and along those notes so on the on the topic of um trust and being
upfront and transparent separately live nation ticket master were sued for an antitrust action
that the doj launched against them for how they monopolized ticket sales and live music which i
think is the the big lawsuit that comes to mind when people talk about Ticketmaster um that one
I think was a couple of years ago this new with the FTC suing live nation and Ticketmaster is
newer but yeah I mean so this weirdly or not weirdly the the bots act kind of hits home for
me because I'm going to tell you a story greetings loved ones let's take a journey
i love snoop dog um i have like dog supply hoodies and sweatpants and i have um snoop
dog's cookbook from crook to cook it's my favorite thing in the world if i ever meet
snoop dog one day i am going to cry and probably hyperventilate and seize anyways so
and i'd be interested to see if you ever had a story like this um so the reason that this
the bots act kind of hits a little close to home for me is so when I was it was my ninth birthday
my very first concert ever was the red tour by taylor swift because it was my birthday it was like right when I was becoming a big taylor swift fan red was the first album that I had bought with my own money And Red was my first concert And so my amazing parents we unbeknownst to me at the time because this was like the big birthday surprise that year
It was when we still lived in Florida.
We went down to Orlando.
And I, like me, like being a kid who grew up in Disney, I was like, or in Florida.
I thought, oh, okay, cool.
We're going to go to Disney for the weekend for my birthday.
um and so then my parents surprised me with tickets that we were going to go see Taylor
that night I was so excited there's this like infamous family video of me seeing these tickets
absolutely hyperventilating freaking out um and oh no I know where this is heading well no so we
yeah we got in we like we saw the show it was incredible it was an amazing show like part of
the reason why I was like so in love with Taylor for so many years because like what an amazing
first concert to see right and so I'm going to preface this my issue is not with Taylor Swift
herself on this thing this is with the bots and scalpers so my I learned later in this like it
broke my heart as like a kid who has like loves my parents with everything that I am realizes how
much they've done for me over my life and also I'm going into this industry now and so I understand
or I'm beginning to understand kind of like all the inner machinations of the music industry
later I found out that my parents had bought those tickets from you know a third party like
they didn't buy them directly from the venue or from the Taylor Swift website or wherever at the
time the official like ticket place to get tickets for this tour was right I learned that they bought
them um secondhand or whatever the term is in this whole world my parents um were walking into
this arena with me and both of them were like squeezing each other's hands praying that these
were going to be real tickets that they had like spent however much money they did at the time
that like oh my god we're gonna have to like if these tickets aren't real like we can't even then
like we can't afford to like go to this show it's an expensive show it's an expensive night out it's
expensive to travel a couple hours away and get a hotel and everything and so they're just like
gripping each other's hands praying these tickets are going to work because if not like they're
going to have to tell their like they're either going to have to do two things tell their nine
year old daughter who is so excited to see her idol of idol of idols that we can't go like the
tickets just didn't work or like drop you know a fifteen hundred dollars on like tickets that like
a normal working class family probably doesn't have fifteen hundred extra dollars laying around
um and so like knowing that they bought those tickets secondhand like makes me love my parents
even more that they were just like we're gonna find these tickets we're gonna go we're gonna
give her this is gonna be her first concert but knowing that my parents were so afraid that those
tickets weren't gonna work and that we were gonna get turned away at the door and that security was
gonna be like sorry like don't know what to tell you we can't can't do this um so like knowing that
like my parents could only get those tickets from a third party not even from you know the main
ticket selling party and then knowing just like how scared that they were that those tickets
weren't gonna work is like ticket master I'm coming for you yeah I'm absolutely coming for you
it's wild like I I went to a concert with my parents for my mom and I's birthday
day i think it was either 17 like or i don't know i don't exactly remember what year it was
but we went to vegas it was this big like to go to vegas see a concert no i don't think the sphere
was there at that point or it was but like my parents are not interested in the sphere yeah
they don't care um they were there to see the concert and stay at a hotel and enjoy the hotel
love real and i'm like you know what i get it um who was the artist mariah carey love
and so my dad to surprise my mom and i and my mom is like one of mariah carey's biggest fans
loves her loves her music i grew up listening to her and my dad is a surprise for both of us
gets us meet and greet tickets oh my gosh and my mom and i were like that's crazy what do you mean
and so we're standing outside and my dad shows the guy the tickets and he goes i'm sorry this
is from a scalper we can't accept them oh and my dad goes what no like i i paid for these like i
paid a good amount of money for these like no you can't tell me that i'm not getting it like he
karen'd his way yeah and eventually they were able to essentially take the tickets because they found
a different number and it was this system mix-up i don't know but all of that my dad like he just
is not a technology guy he just wanted to do something nice for his wife and daughter yeah
and clicked on the first thing because he trusted it yeah and you should be able to do that without
being scalped yeah that's heartbreaking so did you guys get in and meet her we did yeah it was
like a 30 second like photo op high buy yeah like it really it was really cool I mean because
she's somebody that I had listened to and like seeing somebody materialize yeah in front of you
it's weird wait it's trippy wait whoa yeah like you also eat breakfast yeah you know right like
it just kind of takes a second yeah and it was really cool to meet her but yeah I didn't show
that picture to like anyone because how do you say that you were gone for a random weekend in
February you met Mariah Carey right so I think I told like one person yeah no but I mean like
probably everybody who is a major concert goer has a story about getting scalped or you know
being afraid of that your tickets aren't gonna work and also like this is kind of like an everyone
thing and I don't even know if it's the artists themselves who I think push this I have a whole
other complex about how I don't know if artists should pay to meet you um like pay for a show
like that's a service I can definitely get behind that but when you could if you live in New York
and you can run into a celebrity who you love on the subway for free and then you charge like
a couple grand to go meet someone at a meet and greet don't know how I feel about that I have a
little bit of a different opinion okay give it to me i think it's used as more of like a safety
measure because if you think about it somebody who really wants to meet mariah carey somebody
who really wants to meet riah carey that badly will pay however much will pay however much and
they're not a security threat because they paid that much money to get in there and i mean obviously
there's stuff that has happened but i think to a certain extent it's so that they can get your
name on paper and they know something about you interesting okay i can get behind that they it's
kind of a way to weed out who could potentially be coming through because say you have somebody
that's been coming to your meet and greet for six months and every single time they show up yeah
and they're a little bit weird to you now something's a little bit off yeah you have
a documentation of it and you have their name interesting okay i can get behind that i could
see it as a way to like keep you safe but i also understand where it's like as a fan as well i'm
not gonna pay two three grand yeah to go and meet you exactly like how you said when i could see you
on the street or like you can go to the stage door at the back and like that's a huge tradition
for Broadway shows and for like like touring artists well and I'm saying that as if you're
someone like Ariana Grande yeah Mariah Carey for sure Celine Dion Adele like those people I'm not
saying like me myself if I were to play a small venue and it doesn't make sense for artists like
us no yeah it doesn't make sense until you're at a certain level where you need that extra sense of
like oh okay I'd kind of like to document this now yeah which I could still get that but also
I think there's an argument to be made for the artists who are at the top of the food chain
arguably need that you know three four five thousand dollar meet and greet ticket money
the least which is I think another thing that gets me going about like the capitalism of the music
industry right and yeah but on the security level thing so do you remember or do you know who
Christina Grimmie is yeah so for anybody who doesn't know what that story is it's heartbreaking
um I was a huge fan of Christina Grimmie I was she was on the voice she was on the voice I watched
her season with my parents so did I she was a phenomenal talent like just seemed like the most
incredible person and like I was an active fan of her and if you don't know the story it's
heartbreaking but um somebody walked up to her at a meet and greet and shot and killed her yeah
and I was an active fan of hers like when that happened I was 10 11 years old and yeah it's
heartbreaking and I mean there's a couple of different you know routes that we could go down
in respect to this whole thing it could be you know hey gun violence in literally everything we
do in America then it could be the safety precaution because like I am willing to bet
that for that meet and greet she probably wasn't charging right a super crazy you know package like
maybe there was a VIP meet and greet package of like a hundred dollars you get to meet her at the
table get a signed poster and a picture or whatnot but like it's just the the amount of security
that it takes to just be and this was one of the things that like made my mom so wary about
me going into the music industry at such a young age um you know because we've got like the r kelly's
and the ditties and then you have stories like the christina grimmies where like every single
aspect of the music industry is dangerous um and it could go really really wrong if you don't have
the right people around you and even when you do have the right people around you like christina
her entire family i think was there with her when that happened um and so it's just like it's crazy
have you seen the shield that taylor swift has been using recently yeah it's terrifying like i
think there's something that happened behind the scenes that obviously they're not going to talk
about publicly because there's probably a police investigation going on yeah but that combined
with like she really hasn't been spotted publicly and then somebody just tried to serve her at 2 a.m
like jumping their fence crazy yeah it's like how this thing that we all wanted to do
for the organic love of making music can be so terrifying um and i oh i had another point but i don remember what it was but anyways real yeah so trying to thought for sure but um if you haven um please go listen
to christina grumey's music i still listen to her music because like it's such a like nostalgic
time in my life passes to family yeah and i um i used to cover her her songs at my like first
shows that I did um and so be kind to your artists um you know if you're in an artist's camp
please do everything um to make them feel safe on that note shout out Heather Larson um make songs
longer because the amount of times that um we've been at an event with Heather and we've like kind
of pulled her aside and said hey this person's keep an eye on this or this thing made me feel
weird she will immediately she is mama bear none of you guys are getting past me like well and
they take like people take heather seriously yeah like i i will get in front of vansley any day i
will get in front of you any day well i know but i know that i have bark and bite something that i
don't have not said in a way to this but said in a way to like I know that I can do that in front
of Ainsley but people don't listen to me as much as they will obviously listen to Heather because
she deserves all respect yeah in that way and so yeah no literally having her at some of those
events like I I forget which one it was at but there was one time I was walking past a group of
people and i heard something like insley's name blah blah blah and then something that i didn't
like and my head turned so fast i was like huh hello you're to the ground well and then i was
like wait i can't be that obvious because if i actually want to know what they're saying i can't
be like staring at them yeah like katie girl yeah but i think this just goes back to like the
importance of having a team around you and having people who support you um and like are definitely
willing to be like nope if you need if you need to talk to her you will talk to me and 17 other
people before you talk to her right yeah like i think there's there's a good time and place for
about like and also for me that comes from working service industry where also one of my co-workers
is the sweetest kindest human being literally on the face of the planet oh my gosh and people
really like to yell at her and push her buttons and i don't like that it makes her cry and i've
seen a different co-worker go up and just if you want to do that in my bar you better get the fuck
out of here i don't give a fuck about your tab i got other regulars so we'll pay like i've seen
somebody else go 10 toes down and i'm like you know what that's exactly what a good like i don't
know this is a little bit different because it's drunk man in the vibe so take it with your grain
of salt in your situation but drunk men still show up at concerts and harass female artists
all the time well yeah um yowza's it's the world we live in yep
I got you, you got me
What won't be, will be
Don't you see
I can't breathe
Picture the scene
When one becomes two
You're living the dream
I love my lessons on the way down
Got my blessings on the edge now
I've been up all night gone and played
And you've been on my mind
Can't escape me
Cause I know you
You've had my love since 22
And I won't go Falling in love, falling in love with you
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Not gonna swim far from this island
Change my name and go into hiding
Not gonna swim far from this island
Change my name and go into hiding
Cause I, I know you
You've had my love since 22
And I, I won't go, go falling in love, falling in love with you.
so
so i think it's really important to be that for people that don't necessarily
do that for themselves yeah absolutely period i was the girl that was really questioning as a kid
why animals couldn't talk hey because i was like how can they advocate for themselves like does
anybody have anybody to advocate for them real like who's advocating no literally i until i was
probably um 19 years old i thought that animal testing when it came to cosmetics was like putting
lipstick on a bunny or like putting blush and mascara on i didn't know what it meant only reason
why i thought that i think was watching um legally blonde because wasn't bruiser and the the second
one bruiser was like a his mom was an animal testing dog or oh i don't remember this or what's
the other movie that who led the dogs out do do little air buddies space buds no there's like
this one scene no i'll figure it out yeah report back to me at some point okay cool hello good
listeners of the snap this happens every once in a while but our audio cut out um so it's gonna
sound like this conversation we're about to have is coming out of nowhere but um what you didn't
hear before this is that I was telling Katie about my experience getting to go to the Imagine
If conference that happened here in Nashville a couple of weeks ago. And it was just an amazing
time. And that is what this conversation that you are about to hear. So thanks again to Rod
at Bitcoin Park. Thanks again to all of the amazing speakers. It was such a treat getting
to listen to it. And here is more on that. It was wild. It was such a cool couple of days.
first and foremost shout out rod at bitcoin park um for being so gracious enough um to let us in
there um man i had like the coolest time getting to you know co-mingle and meet with lots of like
key players and not only the bitcoin world but um it was kind of an intermingling of of topics from
bitcoin to ai to um power and like sustainable energy which i thought was really cool but i will
also say one of the things that um was a culture shock for me these past couple of days i'm like
you're telling me that normal people get up at six in the morning to be somewhere at 9 a.m i
thought that so many of those um talks were so interesting i'm so sorry i was so tired i'm a
night owl i was really those first couple those first couple ones every day i was like yeah 6 a.m
and 9 a.m is rough crazy absolutely rough but um so the conferences or the conference both days at
ran from like nine to four or something like that um and so i thought i could talk about some of the
key little takeaways and i wish that you um were there with us um but we did have a great time so
hopefully next year we can all get in and like maybe next year we can do a chat or we can do our
own ted talk on that would be really cool about like podcasting and music podcasting and music
and how bitcoin is changing the music industry um one of the things that i thought the mascot
yeah we have a kitty joining us the bitcoin cat i was like what's going on um so one of the things
that i thought was really cool was that there was a developer there by the name of d++ who
just seems like the coolest person i didn't get to talk to her personally but i did sit in on a
couple of the panels that she talked on she like rigged up mario kart to make it winnable for sats
um so you know i have limited experience playing mario kart in my life but same but that sounds
so cool it sounds really cool i don't know if it was like you win a game or if you come in first
place or if it's just um i mean that also changes the game for video games as well absolutely it was
really um it reminded me of fuck if we give the guys an excuse to make money on video games
oh my gosh oh no these streamers better better watch out um it reminded me of when we were um
walking the floor at the bitcoin conference in vegas um there was a company there that had rigged
up a treadmill um or not a treadmill a bike um so that when you bike you win or you get sats and
then there was also another thing um that heather larson can tell you more about this i think it was
called runster which was a big thing um happening the week of the conference was here no she wasn't
here for this um in vegas i was like dang i missed heather no no i don't think she's been here um
yet but there was another thing during the conference um in vegas in may called runster
where a lot of people downloaded it where you know if you hit a certain amount of steps then
you got x amount of sats and that was really cool just to see how you know positive reinforcement
yeah exercise like that is really cool stack and sats like if i when i'm doing my 10 minute little
like youtube arm workout routine after i get out of the shower and you tell me hey ainsley you
earned 100 sats for this i would be thrilled ecstatic absolutely ecstatic so shout out d plus
plus can we be friends you seemed really cool um one of the other big things that um for me
as somebody who just believes in the power of bitcoin and like i understand the basics of how
our financial system is antiquated and broken. But one of the big topics was how, you know,
Bitcoin in however many years is going to either abolish or completely render the Fed irrelevant.
Which, look, Alexander Hamilton, big fan, love your work. But we are, you know, a couple hundred
years in to, you know, this banking system. And the Fed is only like 120 something years old.
But still, something that's been going for 120 years, it might have worked 120 years ago.
but it might not be working anymore.
Now that I've, you know,
I've really started transacting in a lot of Bitcoin
and using Bitcoin as money,
not just as a store of value,
which I do kind of wish that that was a bit more of a topic
over the course of the conference
because a lot of it was like,
I mean, it's cool.
People are talking about borrowing against your Bitcoin
and doing Bitcoin credit cards and whatnot,
which is cool.
But I think a lot of people in America specifically,
I think we're really privileged to use Bitcoin
as a store of value instead of transactional because I mean definitely the big mindset right
now is hodl hodl hodl and yeah sure hodl a good portion of it so it keeps going up but also
if you go to stake and shake and they accept bitcoin use it there if you can pay your band
in bitcoin pay your band in bitcoin right um so I do I do kind of wish that was a bit more of
um a topic like hey like to have a circular bitcoin economy we have to use it and we have
to give it to someone and that it has to come back to us um so that was really interesting how
people were saying that it's kind of going to you know render the fed irrelevant and we had like
some really heavy hitters like um you know marsha marsha blackburn was there which i was having a
hard time um which i think would actually be interesting to talk about um you know kind of
reconciling that Marsha Blackburn was there because in most of her political policies,
I abhor everything that she stands for. But also, if she's good for Bitcoin, that's not a bad thing.
And in normal times when we're not so divided and divisive, we're supposed to be able to work
with people across the aisle to get things done. But today we're definitely in an era where
both sides are kind of like oh if you breathe at someone on the other side you're canceled
you're you can't do that then you're bad that means you're one of them no yeah i that literally
reminds me speaking of like political and divisive yeah i was in like a social setting the other night
and it's nashville everybody plays music yes and somebody had gotten out a guitar
great musicians again it's nashville it's nashville yep so and there was somebody that
was nervous about playing and okay i was raised a lutheran my family is all very christian
my some of my sayings seem very like 1950s christian housewife
they've been passed down baby of course um but i go well sing like you're in church you know like
nobody's gonna judge you and then i go i just said that to a room full of very very liberal people
and i don't know how that's gonna go and it was silence and i was like oh that went badly
and i go i mean um i mean okay like sing sing like you're in church like nobody will judge you
like i'm not saying that people won't judge you and i'm not saying like church is like that i'm
digging the hole deeper oh yeah and i'm like i'm like but i'm just saying that people here like
we're all musicians we're not gonna judge you nobody in this room is gonna be like oh my gosh
like you suck like it's never that way yeah and like just kind of trying to reassure her because
also i've been that person and a few minutes before which i think this is a good kind of
question to close on is she comes up to me and she was like i know that you've performed a few times
and like you're starting to do more of your original stuff and doing that um like do you
ever get over being nervous like do you have stage fright and i was like well i've performed
a lot of my life not in just the capacity of my own music but that said I've never done it without
being anxious while doing it like starting doing it yeah like I've never not gotten on stage and
had at least a little bit of anxiety oh my gosh absolutely there's never been a time that I've
walk on stage and been like i'm gonna kill this oh never and never in my life like so i was like
it sounds cheesy and i'm sure you've probably heard it and it's something that i'm probably
repeating because it's the best words that i've heard for it is you have to do it scared yeah do
it scared do it weird do it messy yeah you like you have to do it scared because at the end of the
day it will get easier it will absolutely but it doesn't mean that you have to hold yourself back
from doing it and then I sat there and I was like damn I need to take my own advice yeah but it was
really kind of touching to have that moment and like what are your thoughts on that I absolutely
agree with that I think if anything I get more anxious the more that I get into this
and the the bigger performances that I have I think in theory when you're first starting out
that's when you're supposed to be the most anxious right um not when you you know you start to become
more established and people start to know who you are but for me the thing and I've realized this
even in my songwriting and I might have talked about this on the podcast before but I'll say it
again weirdly when I was younger I had less um I guess inhibitions around right putting myself out
there because I was like oh well of course this is what I want to do and as I get older I'm starting
to realize oh it's scary to like share these big feelings in a song it's scary to put myself on
stage when 90% of the time I don't feel confident in my vocal abilities I am there's always going
to be some sort of a crack or there's always going to be something that I'm embarrassed about
or that I wish I could have done better. And so even a couple of years ago when I was doing the,
um, the three hour cover gig thing here in Nashville, I wasn't nervous at all because
those weren't my songs. Nobody for like, nobody was really listening to me when I was in the back
of a kind of background of a brewery And so then you get more nervous I think as you go along and the stakes get higher and people start listening to you and they want um they want to hear your music and also so much of that pressure just comes from ourselves um this like I want to
go out and kill it I know that I have the capacity to go out and kill it but I'm so rendered by my
own anxieties that it's terrifying yeah yeah no yeah like I think and you can probably even attest
to this when we were at Antone's um the two of us were like remember that stairwell that was right
um it went up to the dressing room and then you turned out like to go to the stage so me and you
right before I went on we were like in that back that little corner and Katie could see that I was
getting pretty anxious okay and don't judge me before you hear the end of the story but which I
was glad to do this by the way I was glad to do this because it helped take my mind off of this
but um so katie could see that i was getting kind of nervous because like i always do especially
when there's a big show like anton's or first ave or um didn't i just have one bigger show
recently i don't remember um but i was like definitely starting to get antsy and i was like
we're tired guys moving around we're busy we're busy um and katie goes ansley i think i see um
my next cover art picture can you take this for me and it's I it actually worked out beautiful
because like a I'm an amazing photographer no I'm kidding but she was sitting in this like um this
perfect little alcove of red stage lights that was fading into this little hallway that led up the
stairs to the dressing room um and so she gave me her phone and I just like took some pictures of her
and it helped take my mind off of it a little bit um and it was really great but like definitely
the right before I went on stage like you could see me kind of like hyping myself up and
doing the deep breaths and whatnot and like I think I even saw you do that a little bit when
you played at launch or at Waco in that theater you were definitely kind of just like okay I
yeah I think it's also from doing theater like as soon as you hit stage lights you're like okay
character on yes and whether it's good or bad because whenever I do that it's kind of like
okay I blacked out how did it go yeah absolutely like oh which is kind of how I think about my
bigger shows like I think back on them now and I'm like I can't even really remember being on stage
like you do kind of dissociate a little bit when you get up there and I mean it's because although
i'm looking at the crowd you're truly dissociating you're like okay i need to make sure that i hit
this and i hit that and like i am emoting well at the same time i don't look scared and i'm trying
to hit these notes yeah but there's so much going on in the back of your brain that like
i don't even see the crowd yeah you don't for sure
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Diamonds to have fun
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one of the things for me that's been interesting that's been kind of a new development in the past
really only year or so i am a very anxious person and i have started to like before i have shows
have this just like really compulsive you're gonna forget all the words you're going to forget all
the words you're not going to be able to remember anything and granted i have a really good memory
I have never like gone up on stage with like a big ass iPad like a lot of these people on Broadway do
which hey nothing wrong with that but I've never gone up on stage with like you know
lyrics in front of me like that's always kind of been something that I've prided myself on
and so it's something that like is so like obsessive compulsive for me for like the couple
of days leading up until the show and then what happens is that I get on stage and I realize that
my songs are kind of hard to sing that I have to focus so much on what my body is doing that the
words just come out and like I don't I don't have to think about it well and at this point you've
done it so many times yeah just muscle memory for sure and I'm sure it's the same thing with you like
I in the shower I been singing some Catherine songs those things aren easy those things aren easy and so I sure it the same thing for you where you just have to focus so much that really
is kind of like the epitome of like living where your feet are being in your body not in your head
because definitely I am so in my head about everything and then I get up on stage and I have
to like my mind just kind of goes blank there's one run in my song lemons um where it's like the
hook of the chorus and if you don't nail it it just doesn't hit yeah and it's like a
but if you don't hit all of those notes it's just kind of
yeah and it's the end of the chorus and then there's not a lot of words and then it's the
verse and you're like well okay yeah so i'm so focused on singing that well yeah and like getting
my runs right and also i have a bad habit of getting so in my i'm singing the notes right
my tone is good i'm projecting that i forget to a moan enunciation yeah yeah yeah yeah and
that's something that I'm working on
but
it's one of those like
you know
don't waste your time
on me
where are you
it's not a stylistic choice
in my head
but
we can brand it that way
is there any new Catherine music
that we can expect soon
there is
you should be expecting a single called lemons very soon in the future that's so exciting might
even be out by the time this comes out exciting do you still work do you regularly work with a
vocal coach right now i do not um i've just kind of been the past year really focused on recording
and writing and getting my creative process down to a sound that i really like with
the producer that I really like working with yeah shout out Jake shout out Jake seriously um
and that's been my main focus but I've also been moving and kind of that aspect of things
so once I'm settled again and I have the time again to revisit that that is something that I
want to do it's like I want to have a vocal coach again I want to go back to dance lessons again
because I did dance lessons for so long as a kid.
Yeah.
So I'm not saying like dance dance lessons,
but like maybe a jazz class or like a hip hop.
Like, I don't know, something that's going to be fun.
Yeah.
Like for me, I don't know if I'm ever like the type of artist
that would do like a big choreographed dance in my song,
but like I'd love to go to dance lessons
just to kind of like loosen up my body
and like get some other movements.
like you don't have to be choreographed in the sense of like five six seven eight but kind of
just like loosen it up see what else you can kind of put out there but yeah I would be in vocal
lessons every single day if I could every single day but vocal lessons are expensive in this economy
and vocal lessons are expensive I'm just stubborn so stubborn in the sense of like you don't want to
do voice lessons no seven in the sense of like i and this goes for i have adhd and like the
personality tests but like when somebody is telling me that i'm doing it wrong but i think
i'm doing it right and i have enough backup evidence to think i'm doing it right i'm gonna
be like nah yeah um so there was a vocal coach that i worked with a lot she was also my former
boss oh so interesting yeah so i really appreciate what i learned from her but she's just not somebody
that I could see myself going to long term because she doesn't specialize in what I want
to be kind of like trained on.
Yeah.
So she's a great teacher and she has a lot of clients that have done very well in the
industry.
Yeah.
So like she's doing fine.
So I think I am in the market though for a different vocal coach.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Shout out my vocal coach.
Her name is Vanessa.
um she did move away she did move to California which was a big bummer because she was the I mean
I've had a lot of great vocal coaches over the years but she is the one who like really helped me
I think the most with my voice and the things that I know that I needed to work on um and I'm at this
point now where like the things that we were working on you know like two or three years ago
have finally started to get a little bit more consistent in my personal practice because also
I saw this the other day which made me feel good you're not doing it wrong you're just at the part
where most people would give up or you're not doing it bad you're just at the at the the point
where most people would give up and for me when I get frustrated like I've been working on this
like mixing this c5 for four years and why is it not more consistent now um it's more just like
okay, you're just at the part where a lot of people would say, you know what? I'm okay. I'm
done. And it has started to get more consistent. Is it as fast as I would want it to be? No,
it never is, but it is becoming more consistent. And I am really trying to give myself a lot of
grace, even though I'm kind of at this point now, and I'm sure you've had this too, where
I'm doing things more correctly in my personal private practice, but then I still get on stage
and I muscle memory do it wrong um because I know that it works and because all this stuff in my
personal practice is still pretty shaky that I don't want to take the risk to like try to
technically do it correctly on stage but still have it fail and it sound worse where I would just
you know go back to old faithful pull it up might not be great great for my voice long term but it work tonight right i yeah been there you know yeah absolutely it yeah vocal coaching is always
interesting and being coached is always interesting yeah definitely but uh all that to say maybe next
year we can have music at the imagine if conference we can have it at the bitcoin conference uh we can
have it um you know and a lot more uh bitcoin oriented spaces but yeah i mean again huge thanks
to rod from bitcoin park for having my mom and i out it was so wonderful i got to see uh my friend
ella huff who you didn't hear from me but we might be having her on the podcast hey what hey um what
what is that um but yeah it was also um interesting to see how a lot of um how ai really plays into
the Bitcoin space too. And one of the key takeaways from that for me was Bitcoin or AI is definitely
taking over a lot of big things in this world. Like there was some diagrams that they showed
of like, okay, in 10 years, like we won't need people to drive cars in this amount of time.
We won't need surgeons to do this because then AI will do it. It's absolutely wild. Don't know how
I feel about that but like I feel I was having this conversation yeah somebody the other night
I was like so I feel like my parents talking about Google when I talk about AI yes because
my parents were like back when I was your age I didn't have Google we had to actually look in books
yeah and back in our day we had to actually write our essays well right I'm like back in my day I
had to actually look up my sources yeah for sure but now I'm like damn like is that what I sound
like oh my gosh but like the the thing was that AI is definitely seems like it's poised to take
over a lot of menial tasks and I'm not saying that like AI surgeons are menial in any way but
how AI will hopefully never take over the creative industry because there is just a difference you
can tell when something was made by a robot and you can tell when it was made by a human and um a
lot of people that I talked to um at the imagine if conference were like AI is never going to be
able to replace what you do or other artists do um because their soul behind it and so even though
we're poised for change if Bitcoin is kind of changing the way that the money system is working
and how a lot of you know antiquated institutions are going to work then you can't have that without
a million other technological advancements at the same time like we can't get to pick and choose of
like oh hey i want bitcoin but i don't want ai like right this is kind of just the world that we
have to live in and accept um oh and here's another thing after the first day of the bitcoin conference
this has literally nothing to do uh or the imagine if conference um my mom and i we went ahead we we
took our asses down to the Cheesecake Factory. Good for you. And you know what I had for the
first time in my life? A real mojito. It was delicious. It was well-earned after a day of
listening to a lot of smart people talk about a lot of smart things that a lot of it went over my
head. But I went down to the Cheesecake Factory. I had some street corn and I had some chicken pot
stickers and I had a mojito and my god I was having a great time. Honestly that's the best
way to do it right i'm very happy for you thank you so much after i did kind of i didn't chug it
but i was like okay i we're gonna go walk around the green hills mall now we're never up here let's
just go see what we've got i did i did kind of like um take those last couple six pretty pretty
fast so don't you hate when that happens and then your tummy tumbles not just tummy tumbles i was
like I stood up and I was like oh okay tummy rumble and head buzz yeah crazy crazy behavior
um but yeah I mean if anything my big takeaways from the imagine if conference were that
um it's really encouraging to see how many um smart people um and smart young women were there
too I think I said this after the bitcoin conference but I was really um inspired by
the fact that we had there were so many young women there who looked like us who hold the same
beliefs that we do who believed in it and that it wasn't just a bunch of tech bros and look we love
our tech bros we love you guys just we need some diversity in the bitcoin space and we need um you
know all different kinds of perspectives and people with different life experiences um to agree and
like we had that at the imaginative conference and it was just really encouraging to see um and
yeah it was kind of my reminder of like okay in normal times even if we don't all agree on
everything we are supposed to be able to work together so we have to be able to reconcile
okay in everything else this person does not stand for what I stand for but if we can get
this thing done together I think we have to take that we got to take the wins where we can get them
um and so yeah anything else before we wrap up this episode of the snap Katie no I think that
was it for me okay well team it's been real see you next week for another um another discourse on
um you know the topics of the world bitcoin music industry and it might not just be us it might not
just be us you never know so thank you so much for listening to the snap if you are listening on a
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going to change but at the end of the day we'll be here just you know talking our shit yeah yeah
we'll still be here we will so it's been real guys we will see you next week see ya bye