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Good.

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Now that we have your attention, welcome to...

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Drumroll, please.

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The Snap.

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A podcast by me, your host, Katie.

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And me, your host, Ainsley.

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Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the

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Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space.

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As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around

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a broken music industry.

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Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space.

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And thought, why not give it a try?

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In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far.

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How that definition is changing.

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And where the space comes in.

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We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix.

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We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard.

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We're so glad you're here.

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So let's get to it.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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How are you?

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Do you have menopause?

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sorry that's what we sounded like like you know those infomercials yeah have you or a loved one

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been um you have been exposed to mesothelioma you may be entitled to financial compensation

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that's the one i was going for but i just lost my lost my train of thought but i was just gonna

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go for it yeah that was a very serious intro well hey what's oh what's the other one um

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it's i'm calling to see if your refrigerator is working that old one i'm calling to see if your

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refrigerator is running no sir it's still in my house

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it's such a dad joke it is or have you seen those videos of like wives pranking their husbands where

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there's like they're like babe water is running from the sink and then they'll put water bottles

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in shoes running away from it it's awesome no i haven't seen that um okay speaking of wives

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pranking their husbands yeah have you seen all the stuff going around about the anthro rock

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yes i saw that video last night where the wives i was home i would have done that to my dad

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so fast oh my gosh and like having met your dad a couple of times oh he would have i can see the

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reaction that would be so funny oh gosh i would have bought a rock oh yeah he would have been like

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katie are you stupid you bought a rock did you forget the farm you grew up on

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did you forget the roots i was like okay if you didn't let me buy my scotch i am going to buy a

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rock this is really your problem oh my gosh the gin we talked about that yeah yeah oh yeah oh it

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wasn't scotch it was the gin but i mean close close yeah um i went guess where i went yesterday

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where i went to the liquor store

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because what did you buy i bought april

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because i am a sophisticated lady i go there to buy um amaretto and chambord oh and they look at

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me like oh i picked out the big bottle of chambord because what's that it's like um it's a liqueur

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um i want to say it's cherry but i i don't know it's like a red fruity yum liqueur yum and you

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put it in drinks or in champagne you can make a corral um that's with and or chambord and then

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champagne it looks really pretty it looks pink it's a fun drink if you don't like champagne or

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it's too like tart for you it makes it sweet um very nice interesting so i like that like i'll do

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that granted i'm not having champagne a lot but i like the big bottle because i just went through

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the mini bottle and i was like you know what like and i went through that bottle in like a year like

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you know so i was like i'll just buy the big bottle exactly and i pull it off the shelf and

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he goes oh let me see if we have more mini ones in the back for you excuse me why would you assume

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that i want the mini and i was like no it's okay this is what i want i know it's okay i i've bought

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i've watched him board like i know what i'm making and it's for my friend because you know

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her birthday and he was like oh okay and he like looked at me really and i knew it wasn't the same

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guy because that same liquor store i've gotten in there and bought my really big bottle of amaretto

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you've seen yes seen that bottle is it it's the is it the fancy one that's just the circle with

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like little rose on top um or maybe i'm just thinking of like pictures of amaretto that i've

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seen there is a bottle that looks like that uh-huh the one that i have is a square and it has like a

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square top oh and this guys this is my scotch y'all will pay hundreds of dollars for your little

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bottles of scotch i paid 50 at the local liquor store to get a bottle of my amaretto that i like

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it is ginormous yeah it lasts until the apocalypse

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I don't know if the apocalypse hits that's the first thing I'm going for

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I'm getting my money's worth for sure no if the apocalypse hits I'm gonna be like I'm gonna get

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wasted for the first time in my life oh my gosh like I'm going off the rails yeah go out with a

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bang why not oh my gosh but I went to the Licka Stowe yesterday and I was overwhelmed by the

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choices by all of the things that I've only, you know, heard of that I saw in real life.

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For the first time I went across the street from my local Publix and I had a great time.

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I got myself a little bottle of a Vaparol or Apertivo, whatever you want to call it.

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And I made myself not one, but two Aperol spritzes with dinner last night.

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Oh my goodness.

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Going crazy.

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Thank you.

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Actually, well here, this ties into one of the things that I wanted to talk about.

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So actually, this picture that I'm about to show you is girlhood.

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I made myself my first little glass of Aperol Spritz.

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Nice.

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Whilst I was glam testing and makeup testing for the look that I'm going to do for this music video that I'm shooting on Sunday.

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Tell me or tell me not.

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Do you want to come pregame with me?

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Oh my gosh.

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The glass is everything.

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it's this massive balloon glass that i think we've had since i was like negative six

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and the orange slice in there the orange slice my makeup desk is it looks like it was hit by a

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tornado if this is a tornado you do not want to see what my makeup desk has looked like

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because and i'm sorry for the people who can't see the photo this is a white desk

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and I zoomed in on said white desk.

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It's very clean.

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Oh, it's really not, though.

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Okay, but what's in the photo is like a few brushes

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kind of scattered across it.

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Her drink, a beauty blender, and a mirror.

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And then some products behind it.

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I'm sorry.

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I think you're too hard on yourself

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because that's insane if you think that's what I want to do.

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well the rest of the I've also seen your house though

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so I understand for for me a tornado is like you know there's a rogue eyelash somewhere right

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so um well whilst I just showed you this picture let me show you and I want your honest

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feedback and reaction actually I need to find a better picture of this makeup look that I have

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been testing my eyes are scrubbed raw right now I have done I've been doing this makeup look on

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myself about three times a day and I don't even have makeup wipes so I'm like using these like

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sanitary wipes that they don't have bleach in them I think they're for your body that I just

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found in my in a cabinet somewhere but I'm like I think they're for your body

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watch you're using like Clorox's cousin

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well it's okay it's fine so give me your honest feedback and opinion and also like don't mind me

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like trying to serve a cute little smile thinking that i'm like all that give me your honest thoughts

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on this look it gives very 2016

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okay okay i'm listening is it too much it gives nikki tutorials cut crease

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i love nikki with the um what's it i have the palette the james charles no not james charles

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it's the modern renaissance palette like the inner corner whoa the inner corner sparkles um

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yeah i want like see i want it here's the thing i always think that i'm a little bit of a better

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makeup artist than I actually am. No I see the vision though. You are a great makeup artist.

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Thank you. I could not do what you do. That's why I normally have fake eyelashes. Hey to each their

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own. Welcome to Ainsley and Katie makeup review podcast. So the look here that and I am going to

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say that like I am my own makeup artist I am my own hair artist I am my own stylist when it comes

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to all these so I am like going off of a of a chapel rhone Pinterest makeup look and a dream

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okay and so like because this video that we're gonna do and it's probably going to be out or

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just about to come out by the time that this episode is airing I want it to be a little weird

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to look at like I want it to be a little angular like and not so like I don't want it to be like a

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soft like I'm getting married wedding glam like I want it to be kind of weird but also I like I

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know what you mean kind of bold almost like theater makeup yes but not too campy yeah like I I see the

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vision i think because your eye shape with the pink with like it the pink makes your eyes pop

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so it makes your eye shape like stand out more so i think if you accentuated that with like the

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wing maybe isn't too long but i think it's just too high but i like the cut like i'm trying to

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figure out a way that i can draw it and i'm trying to figure out like the placement of where to put

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on my eye because I don't think I've I have a lot of real estate on my eye to work with like some of

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these girls though you do though I don't think I do I mean you you do yeah I mean maybe it is a

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little too far up there now that I'm looking at it I came down the first time I tried that look

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and I was like mom what do you think of this thinking that I absolutely ate and slayed it

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boots the house down and she was like no because actually you want to see the first one it was

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actually even more crazy than that look at this wait a second would you like this more okay so okay maybe not the line down the nose okay but i like because i was trying to recreate that

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and i don't know how i did that i don't know maybe i like this one because you packed the

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pink more okay and I can see that more um still the same thing I think maybe you just need to go

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like okay I'm trying to I'm trying to draw it hold up yeah also I'm really excited because I found a

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pink mascara a couple months ago but I it was so dry and crusty that when I put it on my eyes that

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it didn't even work and so then I pulled out my 2016 YouTube hack you put the contact solution in

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and I mixed it all up and it goes on my lashes like a dream now do my lashes feel like a crusty

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bag of Doritos when I'm trying to take that uh that mascara off sure but it is for the greater good

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oh I think

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I love your makeup thank you I love your brand with all the pink

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anybody who says any different can talk to me about it thank you appreciate it yeah Katie and

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like we've talked at length about this before like I think this is one of the reasons we

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compliment each other so well like I look if you look at me in my full stage gear you're being

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visually assaulted by princess Pepto and then you look at Katie the Pepto Bismol yes princess

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Pepto reporting for duty um and then you look at Katie who shows up in her beautiful like bodycon

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evening gown glowy dewy goddess and I'm like you know you got a point there maybe I need to just

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not put so much on my body at all times no I I really like the makeup I just for me it's a little

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bit too much time to devote to something that I really am not like that passionate about like I

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think at some point I would love to have somebody to work with that's really passionate about makeup

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yeah and like I could work creatively with someone to do that but I'm just not that person yeah I

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tried to be when i was younger and i tried to get into makeup and like really love it and i can do

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like eyeshadow every now and then have some fun yeah but like

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whenever i wear face makeup i just want to itch my face off yeah it's real and i know that and

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every time i say that every immediate response is like well you never had acne growing up which hey

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you're not i had acne but i did not have acne acne so i never really had like felt the need

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to wear full coverage makeup so i understand that for other people they really felt the need to do

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that and i mean societal pressures and that's a whole different conversation for sure but

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i really appreciate the people that can do that and i know for performing i need to wear like

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some sort of defining thing so that people can see me from well yeah but that doesn't necessarily

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have to be your makeup like that can be your hair that can be your dress like right for sure right

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and i mean so far so good i've set up a good sort of little brand but i think

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like speaking of brands and like music world we should get into some of the topics that you were

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telling me about yes absolutely um yes speaking of some of this news this makeup look that i just

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show you i probably won't be wearing to any uh live nation ticket master uh associated concert

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um so here's here's something here's something that i i read on god's internet this week

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god's internet so the ftc is suing life nation and ticket master for what seems like the umpteenth

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time so and i'm going to read this quote and um i'm gonna link the article that i'm like reading

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off of um i'm just gonna read this whole thing it might take a second the complaint alleges that

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ticket master violated the bots act the 2016 law forbidding the use of bots to buy tickets in online

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stores live nation has in the past supported the bots act the ftc notes that live nation's policy

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is to allow artists to set ticket purchase limits themselves but quote in private defendants have

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tactfully work with those same scalpers allowing them to unlawfully purchase millions of dollars

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in tickets in the primary market so that defendants can extract more profits for themselves when

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reselling those tickets on the secondary market the complaint states that in 2018 ticket master

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identified five ticket brokers who controlled 6,345 ticket master accounts and possessed more

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than 246,000 tickets to 2,600 events which that's a lot to digest I will say that's crazy and I I

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could be reading this wrong but the part about um how allowing um the quote defendants the artists

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to set the ticket prices themselves on their website when they're announcing tours and stuff

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and then saying that the defendants have tactfully worked with those same scalpers,

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allowing them to unlawfully purchase millions of dollars in tickets.

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I read that, and I could be wrong, as if like a lot of the artists

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or a lot of artists who have done major tours in the past couple of years

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have come out and said something to the extent of like Ticketmaster

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is the one who, you know, messed this whole thing up,

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made the queues crazy and made the fees and stuff crazy.

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um but i read that as the artists are putting blame are part of the problem but then there's

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a little bit more here so live nation in 2023 just switched to an all-in ticket pricing model

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where you see how much you're going to pay up front which like they only did that in 2023 two

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years ago shouldn't that be the bare minimum like i mean i think we saw it with um with the

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heiress tour we just saw it again with ariana grande announced her eternal sunshine tour which

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also is if anybody has an extra ticket to that please let me know i would love to go to that um

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but like the hidden fees that the fans will here's the thing my thing about um ticket prices and

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concerts music is a global connector and it should be for everybody

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families should not have to pay upwards of 300 per one ticket for nosebleed seats if you're

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taking a family of four to you know a major touring act like an Ed Sheeran or a Beyonce

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and each ticket is you know 300 that's a thousand dollar night not counting parking not counting

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food not counting if you have traveled to see the show not counting hotels like the the monopoly

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that Live Nation and Ticketmaster holds over the fans.

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It's not really even the artists.

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We're just talking about the fans here.

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Well, and if it comes out that the artists,

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while blaming publicly all of it on a different company

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and those same artists were getting kickbacks

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from those companies, woof.

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Woof.

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It's crazy.

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like music is the thing that brings us all together and you know we've there have been

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um other artists who I think have been called out on this in the past where um they've kind of built

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their brand off of like the working family the working class this is who I'm making my music for

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and then when it comes time to see that in action the ticket prices are inordinate amounts and it's

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so hypocritical um and I mean a lot of artists have been doing that and like I can't I can't tell

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which one is like quote better like the artists who come out the gate and say on their first tour

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you know tickets are upwards of five hundred dollars or if the artists who claim to be

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like for the working man kind of like over time bump it up right I it's tricky because then it goes

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well, is it the artist or is it the manager or the label or the subsidiary that's running them?

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It's probably a mix of everyone.

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Or is it the artist that's setting the ticket price, wanting to set it at a low price,

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potentially not knowing that they're getting kickbacks for selling it at a higher price second market?

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So, like, it's just all messed up, though.

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Like, capitalism, Jesus.

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let me read you one more other thing that was crazy about this whole thing consumers paid over

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16.4 billion dollars in mandatory fees on ticket purchases from ticket master i don't know you know

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from what time period that was but 16 billion dollars in fees like the the fees that you see

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on like when you are checking out on ticket master it's like a computer processing fee which is like

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a robot doing that right so you're telling me that i have to pay however much more money for

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an algorithm to run its thing and then you're telling me oh i had to pay this fee because i

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waited in the queue for seven hours huh and the thing is if that company were to just come out and

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say this is what the fees go to and this is why and this is where everything goes to

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it would be less

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able for you to be hated on yes and along those notes so on the on the topic of um trust and being

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upfront and transparent separately live nation ticket master were sued for an antitrust action

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that the doj launched against them for how they monopolized ticket sales and live music which i

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think is the the big lawsuit that comes to mind when people talk about Ticketmaster um that one

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I think was a couple of years ago this new with the FTC suing live nation and Ticketmaster is

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newer but yeah I mean so this weirdly or not weirdly the the bots act kind of hits home for

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me because I'm going to tell you a story greetings loved ones let's take a journey

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i love snoop dog um i have like dog supply hoodies and sweatpants and i have um snoop

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dog's cookbook from crook to cook it's my favorite thing in the world if i ever meet

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snoop dog one day i am going to cry and probably hyperventilate and seize anyways so

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and i'd be interested to see if you ever had a story like this um so the reason that this

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the bots act kind of hits a little close to home for me is so when I was it was my ninth birthday

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my very first concert ever was the red tour by taylor swift because it was my birthday it was like right when I was becoming a big taylor swift fan red was the first album that I had bought with my own money And Red was my first concert And so my amazing parents we unbeknownst to me at the time because this was like the big birthday surprise that year

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It was when we still lived in Florida.

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We went down to Orlando.

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And I, like me, like being a kid who grew up in Disney, I was like, or in Florida.

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I thought, oh, okay, cool.

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We're going to go to Disney for the weekend for my birthday.

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um and so then my parents surprised me with tickets that we were going to go see Taylor

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that night I was so excited there's this like infamous family video of me seeing these tickets

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absolutely hyperventilating freaking out um and oh no I know where this is heading well no so we

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yeah we got in we like we saw the show it was incredible it was an amazing show like part of

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the reason why I was like so in love with Taylor for so many years because like what an amazing

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first concert to see right and so I'm going to preface this my issue is not with Taylor Swift

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herself on this thing this is with the bots and scalpers so my I learned later in this like it

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broke my heart as like a kid who has like loves my parents with everything that I am realizes how

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much they've done for me over my life and also I'm going into this industry now and so I understand

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or I'm beginning to understand kind of like all the inner machinations of the music industry

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later I found out that my parents had bought those tickets from you know a third party like

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they didn't buy them directly from the venue or from the Taylor Swift website or wherever at the

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time the official like ticket place to get tickets for this tour was right I learned that they bought

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them um secondhand or whatever the term is in this whole world my parents um were walking into

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this arena with me and both of them were like squeezing each other's hands praying that these

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were going to be real tickets that they had like spent however much money they did at the time

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that like oh my god we're gonna have to like if these tickets aren't real like we can't even then

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like we can't afford to like go to this show it's an expensive show it's an expensive night out it's

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expensive to travel a couple hours away and get a hotel and everything and so they're just like

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gripping each other's hands praying these tickets are going to work because if not like they're

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going to have to tell their like they're either going to have to do two things tell their nine

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year old daughter who is so excited to see her idol of idol of idols that we can't go like the

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tickets just didn't work or like drop you know a fifteen hundred dollars on like tickets that like

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a normal working class family probably doesn't have fifteen hundred extra dollars laying around

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um and so like knowing that they bought those tickets secondhand like makes me love my parents

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even more that they were just like we're gonna find these tickets we're gonna go we're gonna

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give her this is gonna be her first concert but knowing that my parents were so afraid that those

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tickets weren't gonna work and that we were gonna get turned away at the door and that security was

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gonna be like sorry like don't know what to tell you we can't can't do this um so like knowing that

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like my parents could only get those tickets from a third party not even from you know the main

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ticket selling party and then knowing just like how scared that they were that those tickets

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weren't gonna work is like ticket master I'm coming for you yeah I'm absolutely coming for you

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it's wild like I I went to a concert with my parents for my mom and I's birthday

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day i think it was either 17 like or i don't know i don't exactly remember what year it was

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but we went to vegas it was this big like to go to vegas see a concert no i don't think the sphere

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was there at that point or it was but like my parents are not interested in the sphere yeah

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they don't care um they were there to see the concert and stay at a hotel and enjoy the hotel

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love real and i'm like you know what i get it um who was the artist mariah carey love

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and so my dad to surprise my mom and i and my mom is like one of mariah carey's biggest fans

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loves her loves her music i grew up listening to her and my dad is a surprise for both of us

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gets us meet and greet tickets oh my gosh and my mom and i were like that's crazy what do you mean

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and so we're standing outside and my dad shows the guy the tickets and he goes i'm sorry this

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is from a scalper we can't accept them oh and my dad goes what no like i i paid for these like i

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paid a good amount of money for these like no you can't tell me that i'm not getting it like he

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karen'd his way yeah and eventually they were able to essentially take the tickets because they found

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a different number and it was this system mix-up i don't know but all of that my dad like he just

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is not a technology guy he just wanted to do something nice for his wife and daughter yeah

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and clicked on the first thing because he trusted it yeah and you should be able to do that without

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being scalped yeah that's heartbreaking so did you guys get in and meet her we did yeah it was

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like a 30 second like photo op high buy yeah like it really it was really cool I mean because

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she's somebody that I had listened to and like seeing somebody materialize yeah in front of you

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it's weird wait it's trippy wait whoa yeah like you also eat breakfast yeah you know right like

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it just kind of takes a second yeah and it was really cool to meet her but yeah I didn't show

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that picture to like anyone because how do you say that you were gone for a random weekend in

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February you met Mariah Carey right so I think I told like one person yeah no but I mean like

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probably everybody who is a major concert goer has a story about getting scalped or you know

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being afraid of that your tickets aren't gonna work and also like this is kind of like an everyone

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thing and I don't even know if it's the artists themselves who I think push this I have a whole

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other complex about how I don't know if artists should pay to meet you um like pay for a show

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like that's a service I can definitely get behind that but when you could if you live in New York

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and you can run into a celebrity who you love on the subway for free and then you charge like

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a couple grand to go meet someone at a meet and greet don't know how I feel about that I have a

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little bit of a different opinion okay give it to me i think it's used as more of like a safety

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measure because if you think about it somebody who really wants to meet mariah carey somebody

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who really wants to meet riah carey that badly will pay however much will pay however much and

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they're not a security threat because they paid that much money to get in there and i mean obviously

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there's stuff that has happened but i think to a certain extent it's so that they can get your

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name on paper and they know something about you interesting okay i can get behind that they it's

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kind of a way to weed out who could potentially be coming through because say you have somebody

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that's been coming to your meet and greet for six months and every single time they show up yeah

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and they're a little bit weird to you now something's a little bit off yeah you have

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a documentation of it and you have their name interesting okay i can get behind that i could

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see it as a way to like keep you safe but i also understand where it's like as a fan as well i'm

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not gonna pay two three grand yeah to go and meet you exactly like how you said when i could see you

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on the street or like you can go to the stage door at the back and like that's a huge tradition

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for Broadway shows and for like like touring artists well and I'm saying that as if you're

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someone like Ariana Grande yeah Mariah Carey for sure Celine Dion Adele like those people I'm not

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saying like me myself if I were to play a small venue and it doesn't make sense for artists like

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us no yeah it doesn't make sense until you're at a certain level where you need that extra sense of

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like oh okay I'd kind of like to document this now yeah which I could still get that but also

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I think there's an argument to be made for the artists who are at the top of the food chain

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arguably need that you know three four five thousand dollar meet and greet ticket money

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the least which is I think another thing that gets me going about like the capitalism of the music

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industry right and yeah but on the security level thing so do you remember or do you know who

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Christina Grimmie is yeah so for anybody who doesn't know what that story is it's heartbreaking

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um I was a huge fan of Christina Grimmie I was she was on the voice she was on the voice I watched

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her season with my parents so did I she was a phenomenal talent like just seemed like the most

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incredible person and like I was an active fan of her and if you don't know the story it's

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heartbreaking but um somebody walked up to her at a meet and greet and shot and killed her yeah

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and I was an active fan of hers like when that happened I was 10 11 years old and yeah it's

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heartbreaking and I mean there's a couple of different you know routes that we could go down

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in respect to this whole thing it could be you know hey gun violence in literally everything we

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do in America then it could be the safety precaution because like I am willing to bet

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that for that meet and greet she probably wasn't charging right a super crazy you know package like

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maybe there was a VIP meet and greet package of like a hundred dollars you get to meet her at the

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table get a signed poster and a picture or whatnot but like it's just the the amount of security

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that it takes to just be and this was one of the things that like made my mom so wary about

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me going into the music industry at such a young age um you know because we've got like the r kelly's

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and the ditties and then you have stories like the christina grimmies where like every single

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aspect of the music industry is dangerous um and it could go really really wrong if you don't have

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the right people around you and even when you do have the right people around you like christina

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her entire family i think was there with her when that happened um and so it's just like it's crazy

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have you seen the shield that taylor swift has been using recently yeah it's terrifying like i

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think there's something that happened behind the scenes that obviously they're not going to talk

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about publicly because there's probably a police investigation going on yeah but that combined

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with like she really hasn't been spotted publicly and then somebody just tried to serve her at 2 a.m

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like jumping their fence crazy yeah it's like how this thing that we all wanted to do

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for the organic love of making music can be so terrifying um and i oh i had another point but i don remember what it was but anyways real yeah so trying to thought for sure but um if you haven um please go listen

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to christina grumey's music i still listen to her music because like it's such a like nostalgic

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time in my life passes to family yeah and i um i used to cover her her songs at my like first

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shows that I did um and so be kind to your artists um you know if you're in an artist's camp

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please do everything um to make them feel safe on that note shout out Heather Larson um make songs

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longer because the amount of times that um we've been at an event with Heather and we've like kind

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of pulled her aside and said hey this person's keep an eye on this or this thing made me feel

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weird she will immediately she is mama bear none of you guys are getting past me like well and

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they take like people take heather seriously yeah like i i will get in front of vansley any day i

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will get in front of you any day well i know but i know that i have bark and bite something that i

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don't have not said in a way to this but said in a way to like I know that I can do that in front

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of Ainsley but people don't listen to me as much as they will obviously listen to Heather because

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she deserves all respect yeah in that way and so yeah no literally having her at some of those

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events like I I forget which one it was at but there was one time I was walking past a group of

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people and i heard something like insley's name blah blah blah and then something that i didn't

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like and my head turned so fast i was like huh hello you're to the ground well and then i was

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like wait i can't be that obvious because if i actually want to know what they're saying i can't

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be like staring at them yeah like katie girl yeah but i think this just goes back to like the

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importance of having a team around you and having people who support you um and like are definitely

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willing to be like nope if you need if you need to talk to her you will talk to me and 17 other

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people before you talk to her right yeah like i think there's there's a good time and place for

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about like and also for me that comes from working service industry where also one of my co-workers

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is the sweetest kindest human being literally on the face of the planet oh my gosh and people

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really like to yell at her and push her buttons and i don't like that it makes her cry and i've

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seen a different co-worker go up and just if you want to do that in my bar you better get the fuck

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out of here i don't give a fuck about your tab i got other regulars so we'll pay like i've seen

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somebody else go 10 toes down and i'm like you know what that's exactly what a good like i don't

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know this is a little bit different because it's drunk man in the vibe so take it with your grain

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of salt in your situation but drunk men still show up at concerts and harass female artists

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all the time well yeah um yowza's it's the world we live in yep

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I got you, you got me

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What won't be, will be

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Don't you see

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I can't breathe

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Picture the scene

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When one becomes two

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You're living the dream

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I love my lessons on the way down

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Got my blessings on the edge now

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I've been up all night gone and played

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And you've been on my mind

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Can't escape me

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Cause I know you

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00:39:25,876 --> 00:39:29,736
You've had my love since 22

404
00:39:29,736 --> 00:39:39,296
And I won't go Falling in love, falling in love with you

405
00:39:39,296 --> 00:39:53,736
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh

406
00:39:53,736 --> 00:39:57,656
Not gonna swim far from this island

407
00:39:57,656 --> 00:40:01,516
Change my name and go into hiding

408
00:40:01,516 --> 00:40:05,396
Not gonna swim far from this island

409
00:40:05,396 --> 00:40:09,216
Change my name and go into hiding

410
00:40:09,216 --> 00:40:13,816
Cause I, I know you

411
00:40:13,816 --> 00:40:17,736
You've had my love since 22

412
00:40:17,736 --> 00:40:27,276
And I, I won't go, go falling in love, falling in love with you.

413
00:40:27,276 --> 00:40:33,356
so

414
00:40:33,356 --> 00:40:53,716
so i think it's really important to be that for people that don't necessarily

415
00:40:53,716 --> 00:41:02,736
do that for themselves yeah absolutely period i was the girl that was really questioning as a kid

416
00:41:02,736 --> 00:41:08,296
why animals couldn't talk hey because i was like how can they advocate for themselves like does

417
00:41:08,296 --> 00:41:14,256
anybody have anybody to advocate for them real like who's advocating no literally i until i was

418
00:41:14,256 --> 00:41:20,376
probably um 19 years old i thought that animal testing when it came to cosmetics was like putting

419
00:41:20,376 --> 00:41:24,996
lipstick on a bunny or like putting blush and mascara on i didn't know what it meant only reason

420
00:41:24,996 --> 00:41:32,896
why i thought that i think was watching um legally blonde because wasn't bruiser and the the second

421
00:41:32,896 --> 00:41:40,596
one bruiser was like a his mom was an animal testing dog or oh i don't remember this or what's

422
00:41:40,596 --> 00:41:51,036
the other movie that who led the dogs out do do little air buddies space buds no there's like

423
00:41:51,036 --> 00:41:58,336
this one scene no i'll figure it out yeah report back to me at some point okay cool hello good

424
00:41:58,336 --> 00:42:04,096
listeners of the snap this happens every once in a while but our audio cut out um so it's gonna

425
00:42:04,096 --> 00:42:09,996
sound like this conversation we're about to have is coming out of nowhere but um what you didn't

426
00:42:09,996 --> 00:42:16,296
hear before this is that I was telling Katie about my experience getting to go to the Imagine

427
00:42:16,296 --> 00:42:21,756
If conference that happened here in Nashville a couple of weeks ago. And it was just an amazing

428
00:42:21,756 --> 00:42:27,196
time. And that is what this conversation that you are about to hear. So thanks again to Rod

429
00:42:27,196 --> 00:42:32,156
at Bitcoin Park. Thanks again to all of the amazing speakers. It was such a treat getting

430
00:42:32,156 --> 00:42:38,976
to listen to it. And here is more on that. It was wild. It was such a cool couple of days.

431
00:42:38,976 --> 00:42:45,416
first and foremost shout out rod at bitcoin park um for being so gracious enough um to let us in

432
00:42:45,416 --> 00:42:54,236
there um man i had like the coolest time getting to you know co-mingle and meet with lots of like

433
00:42:54,236 --> 00:43:01,996
key players and not only the bitcoin world but um it was kind of an intermingling of of topics from

434
00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:08,776
bitcoin to ai to um power and like sustainable energy which i thought was really cool but i will

435
00:43:08,776 --> 00:43:14,056
also say one of the things that um was a culture shock for me these past couple of days i'm like

436
00:43:14,056 --> 00:43:19,656
you're telling me that normal people get up at six in the morning to be somewhere at 9 a.m i

437
00:43:19,656 --> 00:43:25,456
thought that so many of those um talks were so interesting i'm so sorry i was so tired i'm a

438
00:43:25,456 --> 00:43:31,416
night owl i was really those first couple those first couple ones every day i was like yeah 6 a.m

439
00:43:31,416 --> 00:43:38,636
and 9 a.m is rough crazy absolutely rough but um so the conferences or the conference both days at

440
00:43:38,636 --> 00:43:44,136
ran from like nine to four or something like that um and so i thought i could talk about some of the

441
00:43:44,136 --> 00:43:50,916
key little takeaways and i wish that you um were there with us um but we did have a great time so

442
00:43:50,916 --> 00:43:55,356
hopefully next year we can all get in and like maybe next year we can do a chat or we can do our

443
00:43:55,356 --> 00:44:00,016
own ted talk on that would be really cool about like podcasting and music podcasting and music

444
00:44:00,016 --> 00:44:04,436
and how bitcoin is changing the music industry um one of the things that i thought the mascot

445
00:44:04,436 --> 00:44:12,656
yeah we have a kitty joining us the bitcoin cat i was like what's going on um so one of the things

446
00:44:12,656 --> 00:44:16,716
that i thought was really cool was that there was a developer there by the name of d++ who

447
00:44:16,716 --> 00:44:22,476
just seems like the coolest person i didn't get to talk to her personally but i did sit in on a

448
00:44:22,476 --> 00:44:30,696
couple of the panels that she talked on she like rigged up mario kart to make it winnable for sats

449
00:44:30,696 --> 00:44:38,256
um so you know i have limited experience playing mario kart in my life but same but that sounds

450
00:44:38,256 --> 00:44:42,396
so cool it sounds really cool i don't know if it was like you win a game or if you come in first

451
00:44:42,396 --> 00:44:50,096
place or if it's just um i mean that also changes the game for video games as well absolutely it was

452
00:44:50,096 --> 00:44:55,556
really um it reminded me of fuck if we give the guys an excuse to make money on video games

453
00:44:55,556 --> 00:45:04,476
oh my gosh oh no these streamers better better watch out um it reminded me of when we were um

454
00:45:04,476 --> 00:45:10,736
walking the floor at the bitcoin conference in vegas um there was a company there that had rigged

455
00:45:10,736 --> 00:45:17,416
up a treadmill um or not a treadmill a bike um so that when you bike you win or you get sats and

456
00:45:17,416 --> 00:45:21,116
then there was also another thing um that heather larson can tell you more about this i think it was

457
00:45:21,116 --> 00:45:25,996
called runster which was a big thing um happening the week of the conference was here no she wasn't

458
00:45:25,996 --> 00:45:32,756
here for this um in vegas i was like dang i missed heather no no i don't think she's been here um

459
00:45:32,756 --> 00:45:39,776
yet but there was another thing during the conference um in vegas in may called runster

460
00:45:39,776 --> 00:45:43,396
where a lot of people downloaded it where you know if you hit a certain amount of steps then

461
00:45:43,396 --> 00:45:49,356
you got x amount of sats and that was really cool just to see how you know positive reinforcement

462
00:45:49,356 --> 00:45:54,836
yeah exercise like that is really cool stack and sats like if i when i'm doing my 10 minute little

463
00:45:54,836 --> 00:45:59,636
like youtube arm workout routine after i get out of the shower and you tell me hey ainsley you

464
00:45:59,636 --> 00:46:05,956
earned 100 sats for this i would be thrilled ecstatic absolutely ecstatic so shout out d plus

465
00:46:05,956 --> 00:46:13,496
plus can we be friends you seemed really cool um one of the other big things that um for me

466
00:46:13,496 --> 00:46:18,616
as somebody who just believes in the power of bitcoin and like i understand the basics of how

467
00:46:18,616 --> 00:46:25,456
our financial system is antiquated and broken. But one of the big topics was how, you know,

468
00:46:25,536 --> 00:46:31,336
Bitcoin in however many years is going to either abolish or completely render the Fed irrelevant.

469
00:46:32,336 --> 00:46:39,236
Which, look, Alexander Hamilton, big fan, love your work. But we are, you know, a couple hundred

470
00:46:39,236 --> 00:46:45,216
years in to, you know, this banking system. And the Fed is only like 120 something years old.

471
00:46:45,216 --> 00:46:52,096
But still, something that's been going for 120 years, it might have worked 120 years ago.

472
00:46:52,421 --> 00:46:53,721
but it might not be working anymore.

473
00:46:54,021 --> 00:46:55,181
Now that I've, you know,

474
00:46:55,281 --> 00:46:57,261
I've really started transacting in a lot of Bitcoin

475
00:46:57,261 --> 00:46:59,661
and using Bitcoin as money,

476
00:46:59,761 --> 00:47:01,141
not just as a store of value,

477
00:47:01,221 --> 00:47:04,901
which I do kind of wish that that was a bit more of a topic

478
00:47:04,901 --> 00:47:07,701
over the course of the conference

479
00:47:07,701 --> 00:47:09,001
because a lot of it was like,

480
00:47:09,221 --> 00:47:10,001
I mean, it's cool.

481
00:47:10,081 --> 00:47:12,081
People are talking about borrowing against your Bitcoin

482
00:47:12,081 --> 00:47:13,841
and doing Bitcoin credit cards and whatnot,

483
00:47:14,001 --> 00:47:15,101
which is cool.

484
00:47:15,101 --> 00:47:17,941
But I think a lot of people in America specifically,

485
00:47:17,941 --> 00:47:19,941
I think we're really privileged to use Bitcoin

486
00:47:19,941 --> 00:47:24,861
as a store of value instead of transactional because I mean definitely the big mindset right

487
00:47:24,861 --> 00:47:29,981
now is hodl hodl hodl and yeah sure hodl a good portion of it so it keeps going up but also

488
00:47:29,981 --> 00:47:34,921
if you go to stake and shake and they accept bitcoin use it there if you can pay your band

489
00:47:34,921 --> 00:47:40,841
in bitcoin pay your band in bitcoin right um so I do I do kind of wish that was a bit more of

490
00:47:40,841 --> 00:47:48,001
um a topic like hey like to have a circular bitcoin economy we have to use it and we have

491
00:47:48,001 --> 00:47:54,001
to give it to someone and that it has to come back to us um so that was really interesting how

492
00:47:54,001 --> 00:47:58,661
people were saying that it's kind of going to you know render the fed irrelevant and we had like

493
00:47:58,661 --> 00:48:05,141
some really heavy hitters like um you know marsha marsha blackburn was there which i was having a

494
00:48:05,141 --> 00:48:10,741
hard time um which i think would actually be interesting to talk about um you know kind of

495
00:48:10,741 --> 00:48:16,881
reconciling that Marsha Blackburn was there because in most of her political policies,

496
00:48:16,881 --> 00:48:24,321
I abhor everything that she stands for. But also, if she's good for Bitcoin, that's not a bad thing.

497
00:48:24,601 --> 00:48:30,561
And in normal times when we're not so divided and divisive, we're supposed to be able to work

498
00:48:30,561 --> 00:48:37,861
with people across the aisle to get things done. But today we're definitely in an era where

499
00:48:37,861 --> 00:48:42,341
both sides are kind of like oh if you breathe at someone on the other side you're canceled

500
00:48:42,341 --> 00:48:49,121
you're you can't do that then you're bad that means you're one of them no yeah i that literally

501
00:48:49,121 --> 00:48:55,081
reminds me speaking of like political and divisive yeah i was in like a social setting the other night

502
00:48:55,081 --> 00:49:03,461
and it's nashville everybody plays music yes and somebody had gotten out a guitar

503
00:49:03,461 --> 00:49:10,561
great musicians again it's nashville it's nashville yep so and there was somebody that

504
00:49:10,561 --> 00:49:19,541
was nervous about playing and okay i was raised a lutheran my family is all very christian

505
00:49:19,541 --> 00:49:29,021
my some of my sayings seem very like 1950s christian housewife

506
00:49:29,021 --> 00:49:38,801
they've been passed down baby of course um but i go well sing like you're in church you know like

507
00:49:38,801 --> 00:49:47,341
nobody's gonna judge you and then i go i just said that to a room full of very very liberal people

508
00:49:47,341 --> 00:49:53,581
and i don't know how that's gonna go and it was silence and i was like oh that went badly

509
00:49:53,581 --> 00:49:59,261
and i go i mean um i mean okay like sing sing like you're in church like nobody will judge you

510
00:49:59,261 --> 00:50:03,721
like i'm not saying that people won't judge you and i'm not saying like church is like that i'm

511
00:50:03,721 --> 00:50:08,281
digging the hole deeper oh yeah and i'm like i'm like but i'm just saying that people here like

512
00:50:08,281 --> 00:50:12,941
we're all musicians we're not gonna judge you nobody in this room is gonna be like oh my gosh

513
00:50:12,941 --> 00:50:18,561
like you suck like it's never that way yeah and like just kind of trying to reassure her because

514
00:50:18,561 --> 00:50:24,161
also i've been that person and a few minutes before which i think this is a good kind of

515
00:50:24,161 --> 00:50:29,441
question to close on is she comes up to me and she was like i know that you've performed a few times

516
00:50:29,441 --> 00:50:36,241
and like you're starting to do more of your original stuff and doing that um like do you

517
00:50:36,241 --> 00:50:45,801
ever get over being nervous like do you have stage fright and i was like well i've performed

518
00:50:45,801 --> 00:50:55,621
a lot of my life not in just the capacity of my own music but that said I've never done it without

519
00:50:55,621 --> 00:51:04,361
being anxious while doing it like starting doing it yeah like I've never not gotten on stage and

520
00:51:04,361 --> 00:51:08,841
had at least a little bit of anxiety oh my gosh absolutely there's never been a time that I've

521
00:51:08,841 --> 00:51:16,501
walk on stage and been like i'm gonna kill this oh never and never in my life like so i was like

522
00:51:16,501 --> 00:51:21,701
it sounds cheesy and i'm sure you've probably heard it and it's something that i'm probably

523
00:51:21,701 --> 00:51:27,981
repeating because it's the best words that i've heard for it is you have to do it scared yeah do

524
00:51:27,981 --> 00:51:32,841
it scared do it weird do it messy yeah you like you have to do it scared because at the end of the

525
00:51:32,841 --> 00:51:39,921
day it will get easier it will absolutely but it doesn't mean that you have to hold yourself back

526
00:51:39,921 --> 00:51:47,741
from doing it and then I sat there and I was like damn I need to take my own advice yeah but it was

527
00:51:47,741 --> 00:51:54,641
really kind of touching to have that moment and like what are your thoughts on that I absolutely

528
00:51:54,641 --> 00:52:03,261
agree with that I think if anything I get more anxious the more that I get into this

529
00:52:03,261 --> 00:52:08,581
and the the bigger performances that I have I think in theory when you're first starting out

530
00:52:08,581 --> 00:52:13,761
that's when you're supposed to be the most anxious right um not when you you know you start to become

531
00:52:13,761 --> 00:52:19,881
more established and people start to know who you are but for me the thing and I've realized this

532
00:52:19,881 --> 00:52:23,141
even in my songwriting and I might have talked about this on the podcast before but I'll say it

533
00:52:23,141 --> 00:52:32,141
again weirdly when I was younger I had less um I guess inhibitions around right putting myself out

534
00:52:32,141 --> 00:52:36,941
there because I was like oh well of course this is what I want to do and as I get older I'm starting

535
00:52:36,941 --> 00:52:42,401
to realize oh it's scary to like share these big feelings in a song it's scary to put myself on

536
00:52:42,401 --> 00:52:49,101
stage when 90% of the time I don't feel confident in my vocal abilities I am there's always going

537
00:52:49,101 --> 00:52:53,041
to be some sort of a crack or there's always going to be something that I'm embarrassed about

538
00:52:53,041 --> 00:52:57,201
or that I wish I could have done better. And so even a couple of years ago when I was doing the,

539
00:52:57,201 --> 00:53:02,041
um, the three hour cover gig thing here in Nashville, I wasn't nervous at all because

540
00:53:02,041 --> 00:53:06,801
those weren't my songs. Nobody for like, nobody was really listening to me when I was in the back

541
00:53:06,801 --> 00:53:23,760
of a kind of background of a brewery And so then you get more nervous I think as you go along and the stakes get higher and people start listening to you and they want um they want to hear your music and also so much of that pressure just comes from ourselves um this like I want to

542
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,160
go out and kill it I know that I have the capacity to go out and kill it but I'm so rendered by my

543
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:37,560
own anxieties that it's terrifying yeah yeah no yeah like I think and you can probably even attest

544
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,880
to this when we were at Antone's um the two of us were like remember that stairwell that was right

545
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:48,040
um it went up to the dressing room and then you turned out like to go to the stage so me and you

546
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:54,400
right before I went on we were like in that back that little corner and Katie could see that I was

547
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,680
getting pretty anxious okay and don't judge me before you hear the end of the story but which I

548
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,920
was glad to do this by the way I was glad to do this because it helped take my mind off of this

549
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:10,860
but um so katie could see that i was getting kind of nervous because like i always do especially

550
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:17,700
when there's a big show like anton's or first ave or um didn't i just have one bigger show

551
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:23,420
recently i don't remember um but i was like definitely starting to get antsy and i was like

552
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:30,440
we're tired guys moving around we're busy we're busy um and katie goes ansley i think i see um

553
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:36,340
my next cover art picture can you take this for me and it's I it actually worked out beautiful

554
00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:42,920
because like a I'm an amazing photographer no I'm kidding but she was sitting in this like um this

555
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:48,160
perfect little alcove of red stage lights that was fading into this little hallway that led up the

556
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:53,020
stairs to the dressing room um and so she gave me her phone and I just like took some pictures of her

557
00:54:53,020 --> 00:54:57,720
and it helped take my mind off of it a little bit um and it was really great but like definitely

558
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:01,940
the right before I went on stage like you could see me kind of like hyping myself up and

559
00:55:01,940 --> 00:55:06,400
doing the deep breaths and whatnot and like I think I even saw you do that a little bit when

560
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:16,560
you played at launch or at Waco in that theater you were definitely kind of just like okay I

561
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:23,500
yeah I think it's also from doing theater like as soon as you hit stage lights you're like okay

562
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:33,240
character on yes and whether it's good or bad because whenever I do that it's kind of like

563
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:40,700
okay I blacked out how did it go yeah absolutely like oh which is kind of how I think about my

564
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:45,020
bigger shows like I think back on them now and I'm like I can't even really remember being on stage

565
00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:51,980
like you do kind of dissociate a little bit when you get up there and I mean it's because although

566
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:58,120
i'm looking at the crowd you're truly dissociating you're like okay i need to make sure that i hit

567
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:05,580
this and i hit that and like i am emoting well at the same time i don't look scared and i'm trying

568
00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:12,700
to hit these notes yeah but there's so much going on in the back of your brain that like

569
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:18,060
i don't even see the crowd yeah you don't for sure

570
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:26,880
I've been moving

571
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,400
Moving, moving

572
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,880
I've been moving

573
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,780
Moving

574
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:34,940
I've been moving

575
00:56:34,940 --> 00:56:37,480
Moving, moving, moving

576
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,960
I've been moving

577
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,980
Moving, moving

578
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:43,120
This is the guy who met us

579
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,300
This conversations

580
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,040
This is my nigga, no bad

581
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,860
This should be enough for you

582
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:51,160
My darling, I believe in real life

583
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,660
Diamonds to have fun

584
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:54,800
Let's take this time together

585
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,380
Need confirmation

586
00:56:56,380 --> 00:56:59,140
Cause I've been moving

587
00:56:59,140 --> 00:57:01,660
Moving, moving

588
00:57:01,660 --> 00:57:03,100
I've been moving

589
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,040
Moving

590
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,200
I've been moving

591
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,140
Moving, moving

592
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:09,760
Moving, moving

593
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,240
I've been moving

594
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,420
Moving, moving

595
00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:17,120
I'm blessed with my hair sideways

596
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,180
I won't run if I had sadness

597
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:25,620
Look, look, look, I'm dreaming, I'm being honest

598
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:29,660
Just a little dreaming, I'm being honest

599
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:32,580
You can do that one out of time

600
00:57:32,580 --> 00:57:34,540
You can do that one out of time

601
00:57:34,540 --> 00:57:36,620
On a really move another time

602
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:40,660
You can do that one out of time

603
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:42,580
You can do that one out of time

604
00:57:42,580 --> 00:57:44,740
When I've been living with all the times

605
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:46,800
When I've been living with all the times

606
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,080
I've been moving, moving, moving

607
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,500
I've been moving, moving

608
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:57,480
I've been moving, moving, moving

609
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,540
I've been moving, moving, moving

610
00:58:01,540 --> 00:58:04,1000
This is the caramera's, these conversations

611
00:58:04,1000 --> 00:58:07,540
This is money can abide

612
00:58:07,540 --> 00:58:09,520
This should be enough for you

613
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,820
My darling, I believe in my life

614
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:13,320
Diamonds to have fun.

615
00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:15,480
Let's take this time together.

616
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,040
Make confirmation.

617
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:19,660
Moving.

618
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Moving.

619
00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:27,700
I've been moving.

620
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:31,880
Moving.

621
00:58:34,620 --> 00:58:35,480
I've been moving.

622
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:43,660
one of the things for me that's been interesting that's been kind of a new development in the past

623
00:58:43,660 --> 00:58:51,200
really only year or so i am a very anxious person and i have started to like before i have shows

624
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,140
have this just like really compulsive you're gonna forget all the words you're going to forget all

625
00:58:55,140 --> 00:59:00,040
the words you're not going to be able to remember anything and granted i have a really good memory

626
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:05,820
I have never like gone up on stage with like a big ass iPad like a lot of these people on Broadway do

627
00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:09,700
which hey nothing wrong with that but I've never gone up on stage with like you know

628
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:13,640
lyrics in front of me like that's always kind of been something that I've prided myself on

629
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,740
and so it's something that like is so like obsessive compulsive for me for like the couple

630
00:59:18,740 --> 00:59:23,140
of days leading up until the show and then what happens is that I get on stage and I realize that

631
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:28,220
my songs are kind of hard to sing that I have to focus so much on what my body is doing that the

632
00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:32,140
words just come out and like I don't I don't have to think about it well and at this point you've

633
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:36,460
done it so many times yeah just muscle memory for sure and I'm sure it's the same thing with you like

634
00:59:36,460 --> 00:59:47,598
I in the shower I been singing some Catherine songs those things aren easy those things aren easy and so I sure it the same thing for you where you just have to focus so much that really

635
00:59:47,598 --> 00:59:52,298
is kind of like the epitome of like living where your feet are being in your body not in your head

636
00:59:52,298 --> 00:59:56,238
because definitely I am so in my head about everything and then I get up on stage and I have

637
00:59:56,238 --> 01:00:05,598
to like my mind just kind of goes blank there's one run in my song lemons um where it's like the

638
01:00:05,598 --> 01:00:12,938
hook of the chorus and if you don't nail it it just doesn't hit yeah and it's like a

639
01:00:13,458 --> 01:00:23,018
but if you don't hit all of those notes it's just kind of

640
01:00:23,018 --> 01:00:29,378
yeah and it's the end of the chorus and then there's not a lot of words and then it's the

641
01:00:29,378 --> 01:00:36,878
verse and you're like well okay yeah so i'm so focused on singing that well yeah and like getting

642
01:00:36,878 --> 01:00:46,198
my runs right and also i have a bad habit of getting so in my i'm singing the notes right

643
01:00:46,198 --> 01:00:54,118
my tone is good i'm projecting that i forget to a moan enunciation yeah yeah yeah yeah and

644
01:00:54,118 --> 01:00:56,318
that's something that I'm working on

645
01:00:56,318 --> 01:00:57,838
but

646
01:00:57,838 --> 01:00:59,918
it's one of those like

647
01:00:59,918 --> 01:01:02,038
you know

648
01:01:02,038 --> 01:01:04,178
don't waste your time

649
01:01:04,178 --> 01:01:04,958
on me

650
01:01:04,958 --> 01:01:07,738
where are you

651
01:01:07,738 --> 01:01:12,198
it's not a stylistic choice

652
01:01:12,198 --> 01:01:13,478
in my head

653
01:01:13,478 --> 01:01:13,678
but

654
01:01:13,678 --> 01:01:16,658
we can brand it that way

655
01:01:16,658 --> 01:01:20,218
is there any new Catherine music

656
01:01:20,218 --> 01:01:21,738
that we can expect soon

657
01:01:21,738 --> 01:01:23,258
there is

658
01:01:23,258 --> 01:01:29,798
you should be expecting a single called lemons very soon in the future that's so exciting might

659
01:01:29,798 --> 01:01:35,278
even be out by the time this comes out exciting do you still work do you regularly work with a

660
01:01:35,278 --> 01:01:44,518
vocal coach right now i do not um i've just kind of been the past year really focused on recording

661
01:01:44,518 --> 01:01:52,338
and writing and getting my creative process down to a sound that i really like with

662
01:01:52,338 --> 01:01:58,858
the producer that I really like working with yeah shout out Jake shout out Jake seriously um

663
01:01:58,858 --> 01:02:05,758
and that's been my main focus but I've also been moving and kind of that aspect of things

664
01:02:05,758 --> 01:02:12,898
so once I'm settled again and I have the time again to revisit that that is something that I

665
01:02:12,898 --> 01:02:17,718
want to do it's like I want to have a vocal coach again I want to go back to dance lessons again

666
01:02:17,718 --> 01:02:21,358
because I did dance lessons for so long as a kid.

667
01:02:21,558 --> 01:02:21,718
Yeah.

668
01:02:22,078 --> 01:02:27,438
So I'm not saying like dance dance lessons,

669
01:02:27,758 --> 01:02:30,998
but like maybe a jazz class or like a hip hop.

670
01:02:31,118 --> 01:02:33,618
Like, I don't know, something that's going to be fun.

671
01:02:33,798 --> 01:02:34,018
Yeah.

672
01:02:34,138 --> 01:02:37,218
Like for me, I don't know if I'm ever like the type of artist

673
01:02:37,218 --> 01:02:40,478
that would do like a big choreographed dance in my song,

674
01:02:40,538 --> 01:02:42,098
but like I'd love to go to dance lessons

675
01:02:42,098 --> 01:02:44,138
just to kind of like loosen up my body

676
01:02:44,138 --> 01:02:45,458
and like get some other movements.

677
01:02:45,458 --> 01:02:51,618
like you don't have to be choreographed in the sense of like five six seven eight but kind of

678
01:02:51,618 --> 01:02:57,798
just like loosen it up see what else you can kind of put out there but yeah I would be in vocal

679
01:02:57,798 --> 01:03:03,138
lessons every single day if I could every single day but vocal lessons are expensive in this economy

680
01:03:03,138 --> 01:03:11,358
and vocal lessons are expensive I'm just stubborn so stubborn in the sense of like you don't want to

681
01:03:11,358 --> 01:03:22,238
do voice lessons no seven in the sense of like i and this goes for i have adhd and like the

682
01:03:22,238 --> 01:03:28,038
personality tests but like when somebody is telling me that i'm doing it wrong but i think

683
01:03:28,038 --> 01:03:34,538
i'm doing it right and i have enough backup evidence to think i'm doing it right i'm gonna

684
01:03:34,538 --> 01:03:44,038
be like nah yeah um so there was a vocal coach that i worked with a lot she was also my former

685
01:03:44,038 --> 01:03:56,458
boss oh so interesting yeah so i really appreciate what i learned from her but she's just not somebody

686
01:03:56,458 --> 01:04:04,918
that I could see myself going to long term because she doesn't specialize in what I want

687
01:04:04,918 --> 01:04:06,638
to be kind of like trained on.

688
01:04:06,798 --> 01:04:06,918
Yeah.

689
01:04:07,518 --> 01:04:14,338
So she's a great teacher and she has a lot of clients that have done very well in the

690
01:04:14,338 --> 01:04:14,678
industry.

691
01:04:14,878 --> 01:04:14,978
Yeah.

692
01:04:15,038 --> 01:04:16,658
So like she's doing fine.

693
01:04:17,598 --> 01:04:22,098
So I think I am in the market though for a different vocal coach.

694
01:04:22,418 --> 01:04:22,618
Yeah.

695
01:04:23,318 --> 01:04:23,718
Definitely.

696
01:04:23,718 --> 01:04:25,558
Shout out my vocal coach.

697
01:04:25,638 --> 01:04:26,238
Her name is Vanessa.

698
01:04:26,458 --> 01:04:33,418
um she did move away she did move to California which was a big bummer because she was the I mean

699
01:04:33,418 --> 01:04:36,938
I've had a lot of great vocal coaches over the years but she is the one who like really helped me

700
01:04:36,938 --> 01:04:44,458
I think the most with my voice and the things that I know that I needed to work on um and I'm at this

701
01:04:44,458 --> 01:04:48,018
point now where like the things that we were working on you know like two or three years ago

702
01:04:48,018 --> 01:04:53,398
have finally started to get a little bit more consistent in my personal practice because also

703
01:04:53,398 --> 01:05:00,598
I saw this the other day which made me feel good you're not doing it wrong you're just at the part

704
01:05:00,598 --> 01:05:05,558
where most people would give up or you're not doing it bad you're just at the at the the point

705
01:05:05,558 --> 01:05:09,618
where most people would give up and for me when I get frustrated like I've been working on this

706
01:05:09,618 --> 01:05:18,118
like mixing this c5 for four years and why is it not more consistent now um it's more just like

707
01:05:18,118 --> 01:05:24,018
okay, you're just at the part where a lot of people would say, you know what? I'm okay. I'm

708
01:05:24,018 --> 01:05:29,658
done. And it has started to get more consistent. Is it as fast as I would want it to be? No,

709
01:05:29,878 --> 01:05:35,738
it never is, but it is becoming more consistent. And I am really trying to give myself a lot of

710
01:05:35,738 --> 01:05:38,918
grace, even though I'm kind of at this point now, and I'm sure you've had this too, where

711
01:05:38,918 --> 01:05:45,138
I'm doing things more correctly in my personal private practice, but then I still get on stage

712
01:05:45,138 --> 01:05:50,458
and I muscle memory do it wrong um because I know that it works and because all this stuff in my

713
01:05:50,458 --> 01:05:55,718
personal practice is still pretty shaky that I don't want to take the risk to like try to

714
01:05:55,718 --> 01:06:01,438
technically do it correctly on stage but still have it fail and it sound worse where I would just

715
01:06:01,438 --> 01:06:16,316
you know go back to old faithful pull it up might not be great great for my voice long term but it work tonight right i yeah been there you know yeah absolutely it yeah vocal coaching is always

716
01:06:16,316 --> 01:06:24,916
interesting and being coached is always interesting yeah definitely but uh all that to say maybe next

717
01:06:24,916 --> 01:06:30,336
year we can have music at the imagine if conference we can have it at the bitcoin conference uh we can

718
01:06:30,336 --> 01:06:37,716
have it um you know and a lot more uh bitcoin oriented spaces but yeah i mean again huge thanks

719
01:06:37,716 --> 01:06:43,356
to rod from bitcoin park for having my mom and i out it was so wonderful i got to see uh my friend

720
01:06:43,356 --> 01:06:51,376
ella huff who you didn't hear from me but we might be having her on the podcast hey what hey um what

721
01:06:51,376 --> 01:07:00,136
what is that um but yeah it was also um interesting to see how a lot of um how ai really plays into

722
01:07:00,136 --> 01:07:08,056
the Bitcoin space too. And one of the key takeaways from that for me was Bitcoin or AI is definitely

723
01:07:08,056 --> 01:07:13,896
taking over a lot of big things in this world. Like there was some diagrams that they showed

724
01:07:13,896 --> 01:07:20,276
of like, okay, in 10 years, like we won't need people to drive cars in this amount of time.

725
01:07:20,276 --> 01:07:25,776
We won't need surgeons to do this because then AI will do it. It's absolutely wild. Don't know how

726
01:07:25,776 --> 01:07:31,896
I feel about that but like I feel I was having this conversation yeah somebody the other night

727
01:07:31,896 --> 01:07:39,696
I was like so I feel like my parents talking about Google when I talk about AI yes because

728
01:07:39,696 --> 01:07:45,336
my parents were like back when I was your age I didn't have Google we had to actually look in books

729
01:07:45,336 --> 01:07:52,176
yeah and back in our day we had to actually write our essays well right I'm like back in my day I

730
01:07:52,176 --> 01:07:58,756
had to actually look up my sources yeah for sure but now I'm like damn like is that what I sound

731
01:07:58,756 --> 01:08:06,376
like oh my gosh but like the the thing was that AI is definitely seems like it's poised to take

732
01:08:06,376 --> 01:08:12,616
over a lot of menial tasks and I'm not saying that like AI surgeons are menial in any way but

733
01:08:12,616 --> 01:08:22,036
how AI will hopefully never take over the creative industry because there is just a difference you

734
01:08:22,036 --> 01:08:26,476
can tell when something was made by a robot and you can tell when it was made by a human and um a

735
01:08:26,476 --> 01:08:33,736
lot of people that I talked to um at the imagine if conference were like AI is never going to be

736
01:08:33,736 --> 01:08:40,556
able to replace what you do or other artists do um because their soul behind it and so even though

737
01:08:40,556 --> 01:08:46,356
we're poised for change if Bitcoin is kind of changing the way that the money system is working

738
01:08:46,356 --> 01:08:52,676
and how a lot of you know antiquated institutions are going to work then you can't have that without

739
01:08:52,676 --> 01:08:58,656
a million other technological advancements at the same time like we can't get to pick and choose of

740
01:08:58,656 --> 01:09:03,176
like oh hey i want bitcoin but i don't want ai like right this is kind of just the world that we

741
01:09:03,176 --> 01:09:10,216
have to live in and accept um oh and here's another thing after the first day of the bitcoin conference

742
01:09:10,216 --> 01:09:15,696
this has literally nothing to do uh or the imagine if conference um my mom and i we went ahead we we

743
01:09:15,696 --> 01:09:19,216
took our asses down to the Cheesecake Factory. Good for you. And you know what I had for the

744
01:09:19,216 --> 01:09:27,276
first time in my life? A real mojito. It was delicious. It was well-earned after a day of

745
01:09:27,276 --> 01:09:31,156
listening to a lot of smart people talk about a lot of smart things that a lot of it went over my

746
01:09:31,156 --> 01:09:36,156
head. But I went down to the Cheesecake Factory. I had some street corn and I had some chicken pot

747
01:09:36,156 --> 01:09:40,936
stickers and I had a mojito and my god I was having a great time. Honestly that's the best

748
01:09:40,936 --> 01:09:46,476
way to do it right i'm very happy for you thank you so much after i did kind of i didn't chug it

749
01:09:46,476 --> 01:09:52,276
but i was like okay i we're gonna go walk around the green hills mall now we're never up here let's

750
01:09:52,276 --> 01:09:57,496
just go see what we've got i did i did kind of like um take those last couple six pretty pretty

751
01:09:57,496 --> 01:10:03,176
fast so don't you hate when that happens and then your tummy tumbles not just tummy tumbles i was

752
01:10:03,176 --> 01:10:11,876
like I stood up and I was like oh okay tummy rumble and head buzz yeah crazy crazy behavior

753
01:10:11,876 --> 01:10:19,196
um but yeah I mean if anything my big takeaways from the imagine if conference were that

754
01:10:19,196 --> 01:10:26,516
um it's really encouraging to see how many um smart people um and smart young women were there

755
01:10:26,516 --> 01:10:32,136
too I think I said this after the bitcoin conference but I was really um inspired by

756
01:10:32,136 --> 01:10:37,676
the fact that we had there were so many young women there who looked like us who hold the same

757
01:10:37,676 --> 01:10:42,056
beliefs that we do who believed in it and that it wasn't just a bunch of tech bros and look we love

758
01:10:42,056 --> 01:10:49,876
our tech bros we love you guys just we need some diversity in the bitcoin space and we need um you

759
01:10:49,876 --> 01:10:56,296
know all different kinds of perspectives and people with different life experiences um to agree and

760
01:10:56,296 --> 01:11:00,976
like we had that at the imaginative conference and it was just really encouraging to see um and

761
01:11:00,976 --> 01:11:05,596
yeah it was kind of my reminder of like okay in normal times even if we don't all agree on

762
01:11:05,596 --> 01:11:09,636
everything we are supposed to be able to work together so we have to be able to reconcile

763
01:11:09,636 --> 01:11:15,616
okay in everything else this person does not stand for what I stand for but if we can get

764
01:11:15,616 --> 01:11:20,296
this thing done together I think we have to take that we got to take the wins where we can get them

765
01:11:20,296 --> 01:11:27,716
um and so yeah anything else before we wrap up this episode of the snap Katie no I think that

766
01:11:27,716 --> 01:11:36,456
was it for me okay well team it's been real see you next week for another um another discourse on

767
01:11:36,456 --> 01:11:43,676
um you know the topics of the world bitcoin music industry and it might not just be us it might not

768
01:11:43,676 --> 01:11:48,256
just be us you never know so thank you so much for listening to the snap if you are listening on a

769
01:11:48,256 --> 01:11:52,016
value-enabled platform hey we haven't done this spiel in a while if you're listening on a value

770
01:11:52,016 --> 01:11:57,296
enabled platform we appreciate you if you're not we encourage you to go over and listen to this

771
01:11:57,296 --> 01:12:06,116
podcast on fountain on true fans um anywhere where you can zap your hosts um or pay uh where

772
01:12:06,116 --> 01:12:12,296
you find value in micro payments or in bitcoin or in usd whatever you feel like it but um the

773
01:12:12,296 --> 01:12:16,296
world is changing and so podcasts are going to change music is going to change your hosts are

774
01:12:16,296 --> 01:12:23,936
going to change but at the end of the day we'll be here just you know talking our shit yeah yeah

775
01:12:23,936 --> 01:12:29,996
we'll still be here we will so it's been real guys we will see you next week see ya bye