1 00:00:00,660 --> 00:00:01,060 Hey! 2 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:02,480 Are you listening? 3 00:00:02,820 --> 00:00:03,100 Good. 4 00:00:03,260 --> 00:00:05,180 Now that we have your attention, welcome to... 5 00:00:05,180 --> 00:00:06,000 Drumroll, please. 6 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,360 The Snap! 7 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,240 A podcast by me, your host, Katie. 8 00:00:09,380 --> 00:00:10,360 And me, your host, Ainsley. 9 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:14,280 Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the 10 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,740 Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space. 11 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:20,700 As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around 12 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:21,820 a broken music industry. 13 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:24,680 Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space. 14 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:26,020 And thought, why not give it a try? 15 00:00:26,020 --> 00:00:31,000 In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far. 16 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,460 How that definition is changing. 17 00:00:32,740 --> 00:00:34,120 And where the space comes in. 18 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:38,000 We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix. 19 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:43,240 We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard. 20 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:44,380 We're so glad you're here. 21 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:45,320 So let's get to it. 22 00:00:48,580 --> 00:00:49,940 And welcome back. 23 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,120 Never really did anything with like, welcome back to the snap. 24 00:00:56,020 --> 00:01:03,080 no literally i mean hey we could we could take it up with jake we could season two launch a season 25 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:10,260 two season two and a half by the time we get our new intro and our new it's okay cover it's great 26 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:19,460 it's fine well how are you i'm good how are you i'm good in between filming episodes why do i keep 27 00:01:19,460 --> 00:01:23,820 saying filming in between recording episodes katie started making some rice and now i'm getting 28 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:31,940 hungry like rice sounds good agreed yeah and this rice like rice is a labor a labor of love 29 00:01:31,940 --> 00:01:35,880 truly I thought you were about to say like a flavor of something no that was going 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:44,920 no I mean rice truly like I had a rice cooker in college that was my baby it was a pink little 31 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:51,260 rice cooker that I got from Amazon for like 12 dollars yeah okay I was getting the most bag for 32 00:01:51,260 --> 00:02:00,480 my book possible that little thing I used until it absolutely conked out on me because I was using 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:09,700 it for anything and everything rice eggs more rice almost like every anyways that conked out 34 00:02:09,700 --> 00:02:17,420 on me and so for the past year I haven't had a rice cooker and so I was like I was telling this 35 00:02:17,420 --> 00:02:22,500 to my parents they were helping me move in they got me this rice cooker anyways finding a way to 36 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:29,060 use it has been crazy and the first time I made rice very mushy didn't wash the rice I made my 37 00:02:29,060 --> 00:02:38,280 error and so now every time I have to wash the rice until the water runs clear that takes at 38 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,900 least 20-30 minutes that's a lot I don't wash my rice I might I might get some sort of foodborne 39 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:51,920 illness but I don't really care at this point but I will say it does make the absolute best 40 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:58,420 rice and you're like well this came out of a restaurant yeah this is so good and so I will 41 00:02:58,420 --> 00:03:03,700 be washing my rice because also the benefits of it the first wash you can use in your hair for like 42 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:09,320 a hair mask it has a lot of nutrients right the second wash you give to your plants yeah rice 43 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:16,760 water is a very big very big thing and so i give some rice water to if i have cut flowers i put rice 44 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,160 water in my cut flowers and if your flowers are drooping the next day they'll be oh it's a life 45 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:28,000 you know i put rice water in my plant because she loves it eats it up it's really cool to watch it 46 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:37,940 like filter yeah so it's been a labor of love but i will not go back and you will try this rice and 47 00:03:37,940 --> 00:03:44,800 be like whoa okay I'm excited now I'm really excited I had um when we were in London my mom 48 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:51,100 and I went to this really good Thai place and oh it was so good the rice was so good the whole thing 49 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:58,820 was really good I had um I haven't been posting it but I have this like installment of series 50 00:03:58,820 --> 00:04:03,820 I have this like series that I'm just recording for my own personal enjoyment like the baby's 51 00:04:03,820 --> 00:04:09,740 first cocktail series so I've done it with the margaritas which we talked about in Vegas which 52 00:04:09,740 --> 00:04:16,180 was a whole experience um I've had baby's first mojito baby's first rosé that was another one 53 00:04:16,180 --> 00:04:23,160 that I had um in Manchester for bit fest I sat down you were really a responsible adult and didn't 54 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:30,100 try alcohol until you turned 21 yeah because I'm a goody goody and like who was I talking to like 55 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:35,480 somebody I was talking to I think it must have been in London somewhere and they were like you 56 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:41,720 never did try alcohol and they were like borderline kind of upset with me I'm like yeah 57 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:48,160 because it's kind of gross dude if I'm being so for real a lot of alcohol doesn't taste good 58 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,760 and I mean you're not wrong it doesn't and so I went we went to this Thai place and I had 59 00:04:53,760 --> 00:05:00,200 this strawberry daiquiri that was bigger than my head probably enough to kill me if I downed it 60 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:06,760 um it was kind of nice though daiquiris it was it was a smoothie yeah it was a smoothie with a 61 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:13,600 little bit of alcohol it's a very sweet smoothie yes yeah which I was into but um yeah no I don't 62 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:19,000 know if I really even kind of like told you about my London experience it was like my first time 63 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:27,540 over there yeah your first time in the uk you're a huge london fog girly hello loving bridgeten 64 00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:32,040 vibe let me tell you tell me about your experience because i know that this was probably 65 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,920 the most upsetting thing oh people in london 66 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:44,060 continue please that was a great lead up for the most upsetting thing 67 00:05:44,060 --> 00:05:53,520 people in london don't know what a london fog is oh it was really it was really distressing 68 00:05:53,520 --> 00:06:00,300 the amount of times no here's what happened the first day that we were in london so we flew into 69 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:05,880 london heathrow and then the day afterwards i think you know i we did a pretty good job beating 70 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:12,740 jet lag we made it to 5 p.m uh my mom and i like we got to the hotel after we flew in 71 00:06:12,740 --> 00:06:17,980 just absolutely exhausted because neither of us had ever done that trip before had that big of jet 72 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:23,360 lag so we we made it to about 5 p.m which was about noon our time so we fell asleep at noon 73 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,140 which like if you've pulled an all-nighter like traveling across the world yeah it makes sense 74 00:06:28,140 --> 00:06:31,980 that if you would fall asleep at noon your time we fell asleep at five woke up at two in the morning 75 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:39,480 binge watched a bunch of how to drive on the left side of the road videos oh no because we were 76 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,760 driving my not we let me amend that my mom was driving I was offering a lot of moral support 77 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:51,880 it was kind of terrifying the did in the first hour of us driving we almost get in a head-on 78 00:06:51,880 --> 00:07:00,960 collision yeah but who cares we didn't it's fine and Windsor Village it was great um and so the day 79 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:06,420 after we woke up at two we had our we were promptly at the continental breakfast at 6 a.m. 80 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:10,540 which is never going to happen again because just we're never up that early. We savored it. 81 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:15,280 We were like, okay, we're going to drive to Manchester today, but we need a sightsee along 82 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,700 the way. So we stopped in the Cotswolds, but not before we were like, okay, we need a Starbucks. 83 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:24,620 We just got to go figure it out because we were like, okay, I know they have Starbucks over here 84 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:29,880 and we're Starbucks girlies to our core. That's our, that's our thing. I think everybody has a 85 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,260 thing when they're traveling or whatever. Like you give us a Starbucks and a podcast, we're good. 86 00:07:34,260 --> 00:07:41,040 we have our order set we know what each other wants we go to a Starbucks connected to Sainsbury's 87 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,100 which I loved the Sainsbury's it was so exciting what's Sainsbury's the grocery store the big 88 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:56,080 grocery store store over there it was like sort of a cross between like Aldi slash it had a little 89 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,460 bit of a clothes section in it so it was like sort of a Target meets Aldi kind of situation 90 00:08:00,460 --> 00:08:06,180 kind of cool we go to the starbucks connects connected to the sainsbury's and we're like oh 91 00:08:06,180 --> 00:08:12,640 yeah can we get a london fog and they looked at us like we were we had grown a horn off of our heads 92 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:18,120 oh no they were uh-huh and then like we kept like we tried to explain it and they were just like we 93 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,720 don't do that here and it's like okay you know what that's okay i'll just take a matcha and then 94 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,460 my mom tried to like keep oh no making it happen i'm like mom just give it a rest we're just we're 95 00:08:28,460 --> 00:08:32,160 not going to have London Fox here and it's a big travesty it didn't happen so that was pretty 96 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:40,720 upsetting Starbucks in the UK bad I have to say it really sorry um and that's fine like it can be 97 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,320 it's it's good over here in the US but it doesn't have to be good over there because 98 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:51,220 you go and you explore the other like you explore the cafe narrows and the Costa coffees yes Costa 99 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:56,940 I remember Costa coffees yeah I um when we were in Manchester there was a like an afternoon that 100 00:08:56,940 --> 00:09:01,300 like I had off and we weren't doing anything. And so I was like, okay, mom, let's, instead of going 101 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:05,260 to the Starbucks, like, let's go and like try this local little coffee shop. This looks good. 102 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,440 And it was a cafe narrow, which are like everywhere. And I was like, that's okay. 103 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:13,280 It's okay. But it was great. No, I mean, overall the trip was so. 104 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,540 Did you ever get a London fog in London? 105 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:21,100 I mean, so some of the Starbucks people after like, we would muscle memory ask for it, 106 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,480 but not before we realized, oh, they don't do that here. But then some Starbucks people would 107 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,420 be like oh no that's like an earl gray with some like a little bit of vanilla in it and like it's 108 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:36,400 very milky latte right and we're like you know what that is yes please make that for us if you 109 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,860 if you feel so compelled we'll pay you and we'll tip you really well um so we only had a couple 110 00:09:41,860 --> 00:09:46,540 they weren't like true london fogs and i was like what how did we even how did this even how did 111 00:09:46,540 --> 00:09:52,000 this drink even get the name of the london fog like what right i was really i was it was kind of 112 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,040 distressing so I just settled for a matcha most of the time but then like of course we went to tea 113 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:05,380 and I had my polite little oh gray my my cafe the cafe cafe au lait uh that was a really bad 114 00:10:05,380 --> 00:10:09,440 British accent but let me tell you I had my British accent down to a tea when we were there 115 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:17,340 yes I feel like artists can also mimic very well and I get it yeah I get it really I thought like 116 00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:35,426 I they were just like afternoons that I would go into it and I wouldn even realize it You right babe you know i mean like crazy behavior but it was it was such a fun trip we i mean that day that we went from london to 117 00:10:35,426 --> 00:10:41,446 manchester uh we drove through the cotswolds which were so cute um had a couple of like we 118 00:10:41,446 --> 00:10:46,986 drove through some of those little villages then we drove through birmingham um and that was cool 119 00:10:46,986 --> 00:10:48,606 We couldn't find any parking though. 120 00:10:48,946 --> 00:10:51,726 And because our like regular American numbers weren't working, 121 00:10:51,906 --> 00:10:55,446 parking was so terrifying the whole time we were there. 122 00:10:55,446 --> 00:10:55,906 Cause we're like, 123 00:10:55,966 --> 00:10:59,526 we don't have this app where it's going to text us this because we're not 124 00:10:59,526 --> 00:11:01,046 getting our codes and it's wild. 125 00:11:01,186 --> 00:11:01,626 It's hard. 126 00:11:02,926 --> 00:11:04,726 But so Birmingham was cool. 127 00:11:04,786 --> 00:11:06,246 Like we stopped and we got a coffee there. 128 00:11:06,386 --> 00:11:10,026 And then we finished the drive to Manchester. 129 00:11:10,026 --> 00:11:13,486 And there's a funny story that I want to tell you about going to Manchester, 130 00:11:13,486 --> 00:11:15,606 but it's not suitable for the podcast. 131 00:11:16,986 --> 00:11:18,026 Uh-oh. 132 00:11:19,186 --> 00:11:21,866 No, I was telling you this before we got on. 133 00:11:22,406 --> 00:11:26,526 I took myself to dinner last night, and I didn't get a lot. 134 00:11:26,626 --> 00:11:27,766 Like, I had a glass of wine. 135 00:11:27,886 --> 00:11:28,946 I had some sushi. 136 00:11:29,706 --> 00:11:37,446 And all in all, it was just an expensive night between parking and I was like, damn. 137 00:11:38,426 --> 00:11:39,886 I concede, okay? 138 00:11:40,346 --> 00:11:42,306 I kind of, I'm expensive. 139 00:11:42,606 --> 00:11:43,246 I get it. 140 00:11:43,246 --> 00:11:45,206 And if somebody else would like to pay for this as well. 141 00:11:45,206 --> 00:11:47,746 Can someone subsidize this, please? 142 00:11:48,206 --> 00:11:58,586 Because, geez, it should not, like, it should not be that much to take myself out to not even, like, a steak dinner. 143 00:11:58,966 --> 00:12:03,246 Like, this is, this is, like, a nice-ish, like, I'm reading my book. 144 00:12:03,366 --> 00:12:05,786 I'm sitting at the bar, having my glass of wine. 145 00:12:06,146 --> 00:12:07,286 Nobody's bothering me. 146 00:12:07,606 --> 00:12:09,666 But, damn, for it to be that expensive. 147 00:12:09,806 --> 00:12:09,986 Yeah. 148 00:12:10,046 --> 00:12:10,926 Like, okay, I concede. 149 00:12:11,126 --> 00:12:11,526 I give up. 150 00:12:11,726 --> 00:12:12,666 I get, fine. 151 00:12:13,006 --> 00:12:13,326 Fine. 152 00:12:13,326 --> 00:12:14,286 Fine, I'll get married. 153 00:12:14,586 --> 00:12:15,026 Fine. 154 00:12:15,206 --> 00:12:23,106 fine I get it and like the funny thing like just one of the little cultural differences that I 155 00:12:23,106 --> 00:12:30,646 noticed when we were over there was like America the people who are locals were like yeah it's 156 00:12:30,646 --> 00:12:37,006 really expensive over here but coming from the U.S. and going to the grocery store and getting 157 00:12:37,006 --> 00:12:44,226 you know a couple of groceries for under a hundred pounds that does not happen yeah here over over 158 00:12:44,226 --> 00:12:48,926 here anymore like we went to the grocery store multiple times and a lot of the time we came out 159 00:12:48,926 --> 00:12:53,426 with like under 100 pounds which like again if you probably add for inflation and you convert it and 160 00:12:53,426 --> 00:13:01,286 whatnot like it's probably still the same but for us we were like wow this is so exciting it's so 161 00:13:01,286 --> 00:13:08,666 cheap uh Primark the wonders of Primark I told the fountain guys how much I loved Primark when I sat 162 00:13:08,666 --> 00:13:12,486 down and like met with them in the in the offices and they were all like they laughed at me they 163 00:13:12,486 --> 00:13:17,326 were like of course you love Primark yeah how were the fountain offices oh my gosh they were so cool 164 00:13:17,326 --> 00:13:23,726 it was so like awesome to you know meet the fountain boys on their own turf because they've 165 00:13:23,726 --> 00:13:28,166 been to Nashville clearly a couple of times and uh it was really cool like we just went to their 166 00:13:28,166 --> 00:13:33,046 offices and we um we chatted about what's next for fountain some of the big things that they're 167 00:13:33,046 --> 00:13:38,466 going to be introducing in the next couple of updates and it was kind of like our our quarterly 168 00:13:38,466 --> 00:13:43,006 okay like here's where we're at Ainsley as an artist like what are some of the things that you 169 00:13:43,006 --> 00:13:47,966 would want like this thing would this be helpful for you or does this would this be something you're 170 00:13:47,966 --> 00:13:52,526 interested in and whatnot and then uh we all went out to lunch and had a really great time and then 171 00:13:52,526 --> 00:13:59,686 we went back to the offices and we and we tested a couple of things um that we they weren't able to 172 00:13:59,686 --> 00:14:05,626 test on their own because like their U.S. based cash app integration stuff that we were like oh 173 00:14:05,626 --> 00:14:10,546 well, you know, we have the U S kind of base thing. We can try it. And so we went back and 174 00:14:10,546 --> 00:14:16,066 did a little bit of that and that was lovely and wonderful. Um, so yeah, no, it was, it was just 175 00:14:16,066 --> 00:14:24,786 overall an amazing trip. We did London, Cotswolds, Manchester, back to London, um, Oxford, Oxford 176 00:14:24,786 --> 00:14:31,786 was so hard. I would like to issue, this is my formal apology to Sam Sethi of true fans, Sam, 177 00:14:31,786 --> 00:14:37,086 you know my mother and I have wanted to meet you in person for such a long time we tried to meet 178 00:14:37,086 --> 00:14:43,466 Sam Sethi in person twice when we were there and it didn't work either time we went to Oxford um 179 00:14:43,466 --> 00:14:51,446 for a couple of different reasons um Claire who is she's so cool she um is within the podcasting 180 00:14:51,446 --> 00:14:56,366 realm not like super in the bitcoin stuff but like in the podcasting world which is like pretty 181 00:14:56,366 --> 00:15:01,206 adjacent so she's good friends with Sam and so we were like oh we should get together and have tea 182 00:15:01,206 --> 00:15:05,166 with you and Sam and like we'd love to meet Sam in person my mom had met Claire before because she 183 00:15:05,166 --> 00:15:12,846 was in Nashville a couple months ago um and so I got to write with Two Ways Home which is um a 184 00:15:12,846 --> 00:15:17,946 really awesome country Americana duo that Joe Martin shout out set me up with uh when we were 185 00:15:17,946 --> 00:15:23,226 over there and so I wrote with them that morning I said yeah I'm going to Oxford um later tonight 186 00:15:23,226 --> 00:15:27,366 and they were like are you driving there and we were like yeah they were like parking's gonna be 187 00:15:27,366 --> 00:15:31,986 tricky and I was like oh it'll be fine it'll be fine it'll be great we spent an hour and a half 188 00:15:31,986 --> 00:15:37,906 looking for parking and it was the other thing that was tricky about this trip is so my aunt 189 00:15:37,906 --> 00:15:45,966 came with us but a week before we left my aunt um like she didn't break it but she like seriously 190 00:15:45,966 --> 00:15:50,986 sprained her knee so she was on crutches the whole time we were there too which added a whole other 191 00:15:50,986 --> 00:15:56,526 challenge of like other layer it would have been fine if like we had found parking a ways away and 192 00:15:56,526 --> 00:16:00,206 we all could have walked there but like we had to go and like drop her at places and then my mom 193 00:16:00,206 --> 00:16:04,726 and I would have to go find parking because I was the navigator my mom was the driver I would have 194 00:16:04,726 --> 00:16:11,266 driven if I could have but you know foreign driving and insurances and whatnot so we had to 195 00:16:11,266 --> 00:16:19,026 drop my mom at this place in Oxford to go have tea um with Sam and Claire and I had completely 196 00:16:19,026 --> 00:16:23,726 forgotten that one of my oldest friends is studying abroad in Oxford right now and so I texted her 197 00:16:23,726 --> 00:16:28,866 I was like hey I don't remember if you're still there but I'm gonna be here right can we meet up 198 00:16:28,866 --> 00:16:33,626 and she was like yes absolutely because she lives in Oxford and so my mom and I are out looking for 199 00:16:33,626 --> 00:16:38,706 parking for an hour and a half and we had to drop Jen thinking we would be back in you know 10 minutes 200 00:16:38,706 --> 00:16:46,786 or so so my my my sweet aunt had tea with Claire and Sam Sethi of True Fans and my oldest friend 201 00:16:46,786 --> 00:16:52,506 from Seattle Josie the four of them this like gangly bunch of people who never would have met 202 00:16:52,506 --> 00:16:56,846 Like, and then us, my mom and I, who are the connectors, like we are nowhere to be found. 203 00:16:57,526 --> 00:17:00,446 And so then by the time we get there, Sam had had to go. 204 00:17:01,026 --> 00:17:06,006 And we were, my mom and I were so frazzled from trying to find parking that we finally 205 00:17:06,006 --> 00:17:08,226 got back to the restaurant where everyone was having tea. 206 00:17:08,746 --> 00:17:12,886 And I ran face first into a glass window. 207 00:17:13,666 --> 00:17:16,686 Yeah, that's how it goes sometimes. 208 00:17:16,966 --> 00:17:19,426 I left half of my face on this window. 209 00:17:19,426 --> 00:17:20,366 Oh, yeah. 210 00:17:20,366 --> 00:17:24,806 And like I came up, I finally, I saw Josie sitting there who I haven't seen in a long time. 211 00:17:24,846 --> 00:17:30,106 And I'd finally met Claire and my aunt is sitting there and I'm like trying to hug everyone. 212 00:17:30,206 --> 00:17:33,106 And the waitress comes up to me and she's like, do you need some ice? 213 00:17:33,246 --> 00:17:37,126 Like that was, it was formulated through the restaurant. 214 00:17:37,726 --> 00:17:38,566 Oh, yikes. 215 00:17:39,906 --> 00:17:41,826 You're like, don't say that out loud. 216 00:17:42,086 --> 00:17:43,346 Don't tell me that. 217 00:17:43,406 --> 00:17:47,486 And I've already, I've already drawing enough attention to myself because I'm a dumb American. 218 00:17:47,486 --> 00:17:52,966 and I'm wearing my big pink flowery jacket and I've got the tinsel in my hair and it was a whole 219 00:17:52,966 --> 00:17:59,526 thing um so getting to Oxford was pretty tricky and my mom and I were really good together we're 220 00:17:59,526 --> 00:18:04,166 a really good team together that was that was a pretty tense moment for us like we're just like 221 00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:09,646 driving around screaming obscenities at the ways because it's not giving us the right directions 222 00:18:09,646 --> 00:18:15,246 and there's no wi-fi in Oxford apparently there's no service you can't call and then the parking 223 00:18:15,246 --> 00:18:20,686 meter was broken and it was a whole thing but once we finally parked in oxford it was lovely josie and 224 00:18:20,686 --> 00:18:27,326 i had a great night out together she took me to a proper pub and i had my first pint and yeah what 225 00:18:27,326 --> 00:18:33,746 else tell me about that oh did you guys go to multiple pubs like so what i was like josie you 226 00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:39,806 lived here for a while like i'm just gonna follow you around online she was like great so we i just 227 00:18:39,806 --> 00:18:44,506 i just followed her around to um this cute little christmas market they had in oxford i really wanted 228 00:18:44,506 --> 00:18:48,166 to see the Bodleian Library. You can go in it unless you're a student, but like we just walked 229 00:18:48,166 --> 00:18:52,726 through the main like courtyard of it, which was so cool. Like we got to see the big famous circular 230 00:18:52,726 --> 00:18:59,566 Oxford Library. Um, so we went to the little Christmas market and then we just walked around 231 00:18:59,566 --> 00:19:04,366 and we stopped at one of those little, uh, candy kiosks. And Josie was like, all right, 232 00:19:04,366 --> 00:19:09,726 you're going to try this British candy. And so we had like a little candy review thing. And then 233 00:19:09,726 --> 00:19:14,926 we just caught up and talked about, you know, the, the many boys in Seattle that we, uh, we were like, 234 00:19:15,006 --> 00:19:19,666 wow, why are we still talking about these guys? And we're in Oxford, like halfway across the world. 235 00:19:19,666 --> 00:19:24,206 That's wild. But then we caught up and then we had drinks at this like cute little piano bar. 236 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:28,886 And then we went across town and we had dinner at a hot pot place where it's like you, like you, 237 00:19:29,306 --> 00:19:35,206 you have the meat and then you put it in. Yeah. It was really cool. Uh, and then we went to a pub 238 00:19:35,206 --> 00:19:39,286 and I had my first pint and then we met back up with my mom and my aunt. And then we drove her 239 00:19:39,286 --> 00:19:43,466 back to her dorm and it was lovely like once we actually got there it started an hour and a half 240 00:19:43,466 --> 00:19:49,906 later than we would have wanted it to and I felt terrible but um yeah it was it was lovely I mean 241 00:19:49,906 --> 00:19:55,846 it was a perfect like cold and like kind of rainy Oxford day which is like exactly what you would 242 00:19:55,846 --> 00:20:02,246 imagine it to be um and we were talking about my my crush that I had developed because she had 243 00:20:02,246 --> 00:20:06,586 wanted to hear about that because I was like hardcore crushing on someone for a while and 244 00:20:06,586 --> 00:20:08,266 She was like, tell me how that's going. 245 00:20:08,426 --> 00:20:09,406 Tell me what's up with that. 246 00:20:09,486 --> 00:20:12,066 It's always fun to reconnect with old friends, too. 247 00:20:12,346 --> 00:20:14,466 Like, oh, my gosh, tell me about this person. 248 00:20:14,566 --> 00:20:15,286 And you're like, who? 249 00:20:15,566 --> 00:20:15,826 Who? 250 00:20:16,326 --> 00:20:19,886 And they're like, no, no, like, the guy that you were talking about. 251 00:20:19,886 --> 00:20:22,046 Like, you were so into it. 252 00:20:22,106 --> 00:20:24,886 And you're like, oh, that guy. 253 00:20:25,946 --> 00:20:27,786 Like, we haven't talked in a while. 254 00:20:28,246 --> 00:20:28,946 Oh, that guy? 255 00:20:29,206 --> 00:20:30,986 Never want to talk to him again. 256 00:20:31,306 --> 00:20:32,126 Yeah, yeah. 257 00:20:32,146 --> 00:20:33,166 Kind of an asshole. 258 00:20:33,426 --> 00:20:35,586 Yeah, and then it goes like, oh, my gosh. 259 00:20:35,586 --> 00:20:37,886 She like this happened and that happened and this happened. 260 00:20:38,206 --> 00:20:40,746 Like I was on the phone with my childhood best friend. 261 00:20:40,866 --> 00:20:40,986 Yeah. 262 00:20:41,206 --> 00:21:00,972 And hearing the things that going on in her world right now it was just we haven caught up in a while and I am so happy that I was in a public space when when I heard a lot of it because I it gave me self it gave me a chance to 263 00:21:00,972 --> 00:21:11,052 pause and not go are you fucking kidding me what the fuck yeah yeah yeah yeah what what plot twist 264 00:21:11,052 --> 00:21:18,992 yeah so I will forever love the catch-ups that you have with old friends but there's always that 265 00:21:18,992 --> 00:21:23,572 moment that you're like oh my gosh right yeah definitely no and it was it was really great 266 00:21:23,572 --> 00:21:31,312 because I hadn't I luckily I was spoiled like I hadn't seen her um in five plus years I saw her 267 00:21:31,312 --> 00:21:36,452 I got to see her when I went back to Seattle um in July for my big Spanish ballroom show she was 268 00:21:36,452 --> 00:21:39,852 there with her dad so that was the first time I had seen her but I was like I get to see you twice 269 00:21:39,852 --> 00:21:44,172 in one year I'm like completely spoiled and it was like I mean I think there's always this element 270 00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:47,292 of like when you're connecting with old friends you're like is it gonna be the same like are we 271 00:21:47,292 --> 00:21:51,212 gonna be able to find things to talk about and it does we just picked up right where we left off 272 00:21:51,212 --> 00:21:54,992 and it was like yeah that's always the best feeling I had like lost my voice at the end of 273 00:21:54,992 --> 00:21:58,592 the night because we were laughing so much and like I had also had three drinks which for me 274 00:21:58,592 --> 00:22:04,512 that's a lot she I we tried this like fancy mulled wine thing it wasn't exactly mulled wine it was 275 00:22:04,512 --> 00:22:10,012 like a like a German version of it so that was kind of good then uh we had I had a drink at the 276 00:22:10,012 --> 00:22:15,292 piano bar and then I had a I had a pint and I like felt like the room was spinning around me 277 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:23,332 after those three drinks I was like yeah but um yeah and she Josie at the end was like really and 278 00:22:23,332 --> 00:22:28,252 I'm like yeah dude I'm sorry I'm like I'm sorry I don't like alcohol and I don't drink it that 279 00:22:28,252 --> 00:22:33,172 much I don't have a tolerance to it um but then I I have to say I think one my favorite thing that 280 00:22:33,172 --> 00:22:37,832 we did was I don't remember if I've if I've talked to you about this have you ever seen the 2005 281 00:22:37,832 --> 00:22:45,912 version of Pride and Prejudice I feel like I have yes it was one of my biggest bucket list moments 282 00:22:45,912 --> 00:22:53,272 to go to Chatsworth house which is Pemberley which is Mr. Darcy's house in Pride and Prejudice 283 00:22:53,272 --> 00:22:58,812 and we went and it was spectacular like I got to see the angle of the house that you see in the 284 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:05,552 movie and I spent a hundred great British pounds on a on a bust of Matthew McFadden as Mr. Darcy 285 00:23:05,552 --> 00:23:12,272 and I did bring it back to America with me well yeah you would it was hard you know TSA kind of 286 00:23:12,272 --> 00:23:16,652 gave me a hard time and they laughed at me when it was coming back I was about to go to war for 287 00:23:16,652 --> 00:23:20,892 Mr. Darcy I was like if they're gonna take him from me no that's just not happening they didn't 288 00:23:20,892 --> 00:23:24,912 really give me a hard time but like it got pulled aside when we were going back in TSA work as a 289 00:23:24,912 --> 00:23:29,912 weapon yeah like if you had broken his head off you could have stabbed somebody with that because 290 00:23:29,912 --> 00:23:37,732 it's a big stone slab of a you know a chiseled you know 1700s gentleman um but they were like 291 00:23:37,732 --> 00:23:47,132 you could see them like looking at it you could see them like looking at it on TSA um like what 292 00:23:47,132 --> 00:23:51,792 is this and like my mom had gotten through TSA first so they were asking her the questions as 293 00:23:51,792 --> 00:23:56,812 if it was hers and they were like is this abraham lincoln i was like no then she said she goes it's 294 00:23:56,812 --> 00:24:00,132 mr darcy and then they all laugh and they're like of course it's mr darcy 295 00:24:00,132 --> 00:24:14,692 i used to be falling head over heels now i'm falling on death's ears and my fears are catching 296 00:24:14,692 --> 00:24:20,812 up with me with every breath i breathe every waking dream it's just just me falling 297 00:24:20,812 --> 00:24:23,532 You like to deal with drama 298 00:24:23,532 --> 00:24:25,192 Feed off trauma 299 00:24:25,192 --> 00:24:28,232 Other people fight and cheat and lead the life 300 00:24:28,232 --> 00:24:29,552 You think what's got them 301 00:24:29,552 --> 00:24:30,832 Think you float above 302 00:24:30,832 --> 00:24:32,652 Think you got a perfect love 303 00:24:32,652 --> 00:24:33,992 It's still not enough 304 00:24:33,992 --> 00:24:36,372 So you just keep on fooling 305 00:24:36,372 --> 00:24:37,992 Falling, falling 306 00:24:37,992 --> 00:24:41,292 People want to hear a heartbreak 307 00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:43,092 In a hotel room 308 00:24:43,092 --> 00:24:46,012 Missing the person lying next to you 309 00:24:46,012 --> 00:24:48,292 Want to know how it hurts 310 00:24:48,292 --> 00:24:50,792 And how you're holding on by your face 311 00:24:50,792 --> 00:24:54,732 People wanna hear a heartbreak 312 00:24:54,732 --> 00:24:56,612 Feel you fall apart 313 00:24:56,612 --> 00:24:59,792 A problem's dead, is that a problem's old? 314 00:25:00,112 --> 00:25:01,832 Wanna know how it's worse 315 00:25:01,832 --> 00:25:04,832 Hanging on every word that you share 316 00:25:04,832 --> 00:25:08,752 Cause they wanna hear a heartbreak 317 00:25:08,752 --> 00:25:15,172 You pretend you're here to help me 318 00:25:15,172 --> 00:25:16,592 Through my misery 319 00:25:16,592 --> 00:25:19,032 You're here to see me break 320 00:25:19,032 --> 00:25:20,212 On the contrary 321 00:25:20,212 --> 00:25:22,312 It's rivaled my defeat 322 00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:23,972 Only bit of my relief 323 00:25:23,972 --> 00:25:25,772 Is knowing you're worse than me 324 00:25:25,772 --> 00:25:29,252 You've already fallen, fallen, fallen 325 00:25:29,252 --> 00:25:32,212 People wanna hear a heartbreak 326 00:25:32,732 --> 00:25:34,412 In a hotel room 327 00:25:34,412 --> 00:25:37,432 Missing the person lying next to you 328 00:25:37,432 --> 00:25:39,712 You wanna know how it hurts 329 00:25:39,712 --> 00:25:42,512 And how you're holding on by your breath 330 00:25:42,512 --> 00:25:46,212 People wanna hear a heartbreak 331 00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:48,052 Feel you fall apart 332 00:25:48,052 --> 00:25:51,192 A five-blood's dead is not a problem zone 333 00:25:51,192 --> 00:25:53,252 Wanna know how it's worth 334 00:25:53,252 --> 00:25:56,732 Hanging on every word that you say 335 00:25:56,732 --> 00:25:59,732 Cause they wanna hear a heart break 336 00:26:18,052 --> 00:26:26,872 When you see a breakdown 337 00:26:26,872 --> 00:26:29,192 Do you stop and stare? 338 00:26:29,352 --> 00:26:30,652 Do you strain your neck? 339 00:26:31,012 --> 00:26:32,312 Looking over there 340 00:26:32,312 --> 00:26:34,272 Slowing down 341 00:26:34,272 --> 00:26:37,432 Thinking about how life is a thing 342 00:26:37,432 --> 00:26:44,312 People wanna hear a heartbreak 343 00:26:44,312 --> 00:26:46,532 In a hotel room 344 00:26:46,532 --> 00:26:49,472 Missing the person lying next to you 345 00:26:49,472 --> 00:26:51,652 They wanna know how it hurts 346 00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:54,592 And how you're holding on by a thread 347 00:26:54,592 --> 00:26:58,172 People wanna hear a heartbreak 348 00:26:58,172 --> 00:26:59,972 Feel you fall apart 349 00:26:59,972 --> 00:27:02,672 Oh, a problem said is not a problem 350 00:27:02,672 --> 00:27:05,272 So wanna know how it works 351 00:27:05,272 --> 00:27:08,272 Hanging on every word that you said 352 00:27:08,272 --> 00:27:11,712 Cause they wanna hear a heartbreak 353 00:27:11,712 --> 00:27:13,452 Hear a heartbreak 354 00:27:13,452 --> 00:27:15,152 Wanna hear a heartbreak 355 00:27:15,152 --> 00:27:16,872 Hear our praise 356 00:27:16,872 --> 00:27:20,252 Hear our praise 357 00:27:20,252 --> 00:27:27,172 Cause we want to hear our praise 358 00:27:27,172 --> 00:27:40,932 Funny enough, on the day that we're recording this, Satoshi disappeared 15 years ago. 359 00:27:41,232 --> 00:27:41,712 Wow. 360 00:27:42,552 --> 00:27:44,052 We salute you, Satoshi. 361 00:27:44,052 --> 00:27:54,852 it's been real like that's kind of crazy that like also bitcoin only started well not it didn't 362 00:27:54,852 --> 00:28:01,792 only start 15 years ago but like it stopped being quote-unquote like managed 15 years ago yeah and 363 00:28:01,792 --> 00:28:07,292 look at how far it's come like without you know a central force or somebody yeah kind of controlling 364 00:28:07,292 --> 00:28:14,212 in like a company moving it yeah it's you know i would just love one day if like a hundred years 365 00:28:14,212 --> 00:28:18,932 from now you know a time capsule is unveiled and it's like you were always meant to find this it's 366 00:28:18,932 --> 00:28:27,492 me i'm satoshi and it was like jacob sartorius or something right or even better like it would 367 00:28:27,492 --> 00:28:36,372 be amazing if it was like lena khan yeah like the most educated smart kind of like i i hope 368 00:28:36,372 --> 00:28:37,132 Satoshi's a woman. 369 00:28:37,292 --> 00:28:37,952 It was a woman? 370 00:28:38,572 --> 00:28:38,772 Yeah. 371 00:28:39,212 --> 00:28:39,652 Shocker. 372 00:28:39,792 --> 00:28:40,892 Satoshi was a woman? 373 00:28:41,372 --> 00:28:41,812 Satoshi? 374 00:28:41,992 --> 00:28:43,172 Why didn't they name her Satoshi-a? 375 00:28:43,712 --> 00:28:44,032 Right. 376 00:28:44,212 --> 00:28:44,332 Yeah. 377 00:28:44,532 --> 00:28:47,112 Like, it'll be interesting. 378 00:28:47,292 --> 00:28:52,112 I think in our lifetime, it's possible that it could be figured out who Satoshi was. 379 00:28:52,452 --> 00:28:53,792 Like, yada, yada, yada. 380 00:28:54,052 --> 00:29:01,932 But it's interesting that when we record a Bitcoin podcast, it's on the day that Bitcoin's 381 00:29:01,932 --> 00:29:04,512 quote-unquote founder disappeared. 382 00:29:04,512 --> 00:29:04,952 Disappeared. 383 00:29:04,992 --> 00:29:06,152 It was like, nope, bye. 384 00:29:06,372 --> 00:29:15,612 yeah and she comes back so i am satoshi it was me i was it was me i was a six-year-old super genius 385 00:29:15,612 --> 00:29:21,992 yes i had been working on it since i was about negative three and it took about time in my mom's 386 00:29:21,992 --> 00:29:27,872 brain yes absolutely the idea in the cell that my mother carried her entire life yeah 387 00:29:27,872 --> 00:29:36,912 I think I mean other news in Bitcoin there seem to be a lot of different like crackdowns with 388 00:29:36,912 --> 00:29:42,852 Bitcoin between the US and the UK and this is something that we've touched on in other podcasts 389 00:29:42,852 --> 00:29:50,932 as well where Bitcoin yes can be used as like freedom tech it can also be used for scamming 390 00:29:50,932 --> 00:29:59,352 nefarious things yeah so there's a double-edged sword here yeah what was the um the article you 391 00:29:59,352 --> 00:30:05,832 were talking about how some someone in the uk did something bad with it and then yeah it was 392 00:30:05,832 --> 00:30:14,712 scammers quote-unquote people were scamming using bitcoin in the uk and it caused over 14 billion 393 00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:24,732 dollars to be frozen in the u.s yeah from like all of what's going on which i thought i mean 14 394 00:30:24,732 --> 00:30:32,112 billion isn't no number to like shy yeah that's a crazy high number of money to be frozen 395 00:30:32,112 --> 00:30:41,012 and i think just with all of the new mandates and things around bitcoin it's interesting to see that 396 00:30:41,012 --> 00:30:48,272 the immediate reaction is kind of to crack down yeah and i think it's also interesting that in the 397 00:30:48,272 --> 00:30:54,432 u.s the main thing is like yeah bitcoin bitcoin bitcoin like great awesome and then behind the 398 00:30:54,432 --> 00:31:00,252 scenes it's freezing accounts yeah interesting very interesting and it's hard like to continue 399 00:31:00,252 --> 00:31:08,432 to like be and i'm not saying that i am a hugely important person in this space but it's like it's 400 00:31:08,432 --> 00:31:26,658 one of those things that like as someone who has very openly and heavily advocated for the use of it and its adoption it is hard when the mass populace is constantly hearing more stories like that rather than 401 00:31:26,658 --> 00:31:31,358 Square. Oh my gosh, 4 million merchants are now accepting Bitcoin because it's real money. 402 00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:36,078 Right. Like you would never hear that. You only hear, oh, there's the rice maker. 403 00:31:36,098 --> 00:31:36,898 The rice is done. 404 00:31:36,898 --> 00:31:48,978 and it sings to me it's happy that square is now accepting bitcoin yes it is yeah in one of the 405 00:31:48,978 --> 00:31:58,258 the big arguments that i think i heard a lot when i was in dc for um the awesome like q a session i 406 00:31:58,258 --> 00:32:04,878 did with david tar in btc district like it's it's cool to see that you know people are finally 407 00:32:04,878 --> 00:32:11,898 starting to articulate the argument of like okay yeah criminals use bitcoin trump advocates for 408 00:32:11,898 --> 00:32:17,578 bitcoin but both of those parties drink water and eat food and drive in cars are you going to 409 00:32:17,578 --> 00:32:23,998 stop using those things because they use it no so why should this be any different like it's it's 410 00:32:23,998 --> 00:32:31,978 it's encouraging to finally know that we have a sentiment that it can easily be articulated like 411 00:32:31,978 --> 00:32:37,838 that because like that was when I saw that in the unbanked film I was like oh that makes a lot of 412 00:32:37,838 --> 00:32:44,358 sense that's the way that I'm going to explain it from this point of view but um yeah it's also 413 00:32:44,358 --> 00:32:49,218 interesting like when people say to me like oh Ainsley like this this bitcoin thing you're into 414 00:32:49,218 --> 00:32:55,518 like it seems kind of weird lest you all forget I got into this because of Sam Means somebody's who 415 00:32:55,518 --> 00:33:03,938 has awesome success in the traditional music industry. And speaking of Sam, it was awesome. 416 00:33:04,018 --> 00:33:08,458 I got to see him when I was at the event in DC. Um, and I talked to him, I was like, Sam, 417 00:33:08,498 --> 00:33:13,618 I'm really curious to hear what this, uh, what this title track boycott heaven is about, because 418 00:33:13,618 --> 00:33:19,738 I saw the title and there are two ways that it can go. I saw it and I read it probably the less 419 00:33:19,738 --> 00:33:23,398 common way to think about that title, which proved to be wrong. Once I listened to the lyrics, 420 00:33:23,398 --> 00:33:28,778 I read boycott heaven as it's boycott heaven you're in heaven just like saying I'm not gonna 421 00:33:28,778 --> 00:33:35,018 do this like it's it's it's the heaven where you go to say like oh just I'm so happy to just like 422 00:33:35,018 --> 00:33:41,318 ban all these things that's how I read it which just like proved to be so wrong and I told him 423 00:33:41,318 --> 00:33:45,798 that and he was like oh well it's coming out on Friday you'll get to see it but it proved to be 424 00:33:45,798 --> 00:33:54,718 like boycott heaven like wow what a song what a track i love it so much it hit really hard for me 425 00:33:54,718 --> 00:33:59,598 yesterday i was driving up my session i basically listened to it all the way there um the lyric 426 00:33:59,598 --> 00:34:06,178 about um holy roller please the damage to your knees can't be undone so boycott heaven because 427 00:34:06,178 --> 00:34:12,578 they never gave a fuck about us like i was like if i was in a worse headspace about the music 428 00:34:12,578 --> 00:34:20,178 industry right now that might be like you know what that's how I feel I mean it is already kind 429 00:34:20,178 --> 00:34:24,238 of how I feel like now listening to those first three songs that the format has put out from this 430 00:34:24,238 --> 00:34:31,698 upcoming record that I'm really excited about um I I can I love how they're kind of using that 431 00:34:31,698 --> 00:34:37,018 religious symbolism and like I I don't know like maybe it is like solely about like deconstructing 432 00:34:37,018 --> 00:34:41,558 religion I don't really know much about um you know the lead singer's kind of backstory and that 433 00:34:41,558 --> 00:34:44,959 maybe that's where he's coming from when they're writing those lyrics but like I'm listening to 434 00:34:44,959 --> 00:34:50,358 these and I'm like I'm tired of believing in a system that doesn't believe in me and like wow 435 00:34:50,358 --> 00:34:54,878 if I was in a if I was feeling a lot more nihilistic about my chances right now I'd be like 436 00:34:54,878 --> 00:34:59,758 yeah I feel like the holy roller waiting for a sign like that line about the damage to your knees 437 00:34:59,758 --> 00:35:05,618 can't be undone that idea of like you can believe in something so hard that it like it really kind 438 00:35:05,618 --> 00:35:12,358 of fundamentally damages you it's like that is also how I feel a lot about the music industry 439 00:35:12,358 --> 00:35:19,358 sometimes and I just think like what an articulate way to say that um and again it's probably not 440 00:35:19,358 --> 00:35:23,198 about the music industry it can probably be about a bunch of other things like we were talking about 441 00:35:23,198 --> 00:35:29,798 in the last episode about you know do you write you know in a really wide way or do you kind of 442 00:35:29,798 --> 00:35:35,598 like zero in and zoom in on something really particular and weirdly that can translate more 443 00:35:35,598 --> 00:35:42,558 but um yeah wow I love the Boycott Heaven song and I'm really looking forward to the album so 444 00:35:42,558 --> 00:35:48,058 plug for Sam I don't know I just I felt like I had to say that no I well because you started there 445 00:35:48,058 --> 00:35:55,018 saying that you were brought into this by Sam who is a well-established musician in the traditional 446 00:35:55,018 --> 00:36:02,138 musical yeah so it makes sense for you to also be pulled into this world by somebody who arguably 447 00:36:02,138 --> 00:36:09,558 was more established than you oh absolutely so it's more of trusting like okay this is the next 448 00:36:09,558 --> 00:36:15,818 wave like okay what can I do to put myself in a position to where when this is the main thing like 449 00:36:15,818 --> 00:36:23,638 yeah how can I position myself to be in a better place yeah because ultimately as an artist you're 450 00:36:23,638 --> 00:36:32,158 always looking for the next thing that can help can help you push your art that is a way to brand 451 00:36:32,158 --> 00:36:38,238 that is a way to meet people and network and put yourself in the right rooms and with the right 452 00:36:38,238 --> 00:36:46,998 people the good people like it's it's always a measure of what can I do that I'm not doing right 453 00:36:46,998 --> 00:36:55,798 now yeah and finding fountain for a lot of artists is that yeah totally what can i do that i'm not 454 00:36:55,798 --> 00:37:02,578 doing already and if i'm releasing on this platform and i can make more money cool yeah and that's 455 00:37:02,578 --> 00:37:10,278 just point blank baseline releasing music on fountain yeah then you can go into okay well 456 00:37:10,278 --> 00:37:15,278 now I believe in the principle of Bitcoin freedom and yada, yada, yada. 457 00:37:16,018 --> 00:37:17,238 But go down the rabbit hole. 458 00:37:17,358 --> 00:37:21,098 You can go down the rabbit hole, but you don't necessarily need to as well. 459 00:37:21,098 --> 00:37:21,498 Yeah. 460 00:37:21,959 --> 00:37:27,058 And I think that's also something that can be said in this space that isn't said enough. 461 00:37:27,278 --> 00:37:27,419 Yeah. 462 00:37:27,618 --> 00:37:31,158 Like you don't have to buy into everything. 463 00:37:31,338 --> 00:37:32,578 No, totally not. 464 00:37:32,818 --> 00:37:34,098 I don't think anybody has. 465 00:37:34,218 --> 00:37:38,178 I think it's just a way to market and sell this thing. 466 00:37:38,439 --> 00:37:38,618 Yeah. 467 00:37:38,618 --> 00:37:43,258 But that being said, there is money being made in it. 468 00:37:43,658 --> 00:37:48,939 And you don't necessarily have to buy into the whole idea to do the thing. 469 00:37:49,218 --> 00:37:53,959 Have you read all of the user terms and conditions of Snapchat, Instagram, TikTok? 470 00:37:54,898 --> 00:37:55,138 iCloud. 471 00:37:55,439 --> 00:37:55,998 Anything like that? 472 00:37:56,098 --> 00:37:56,439 No. 473 00:37:56,618 --> 00:37:59,459 No, you haven't read that 42-page document. 474 00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:02,658 And there's somebody that's nodding along saying, well, I have and yada, yada, yada, 475 00:38:02,798 --> 00:38:03,578 this isn't about you. 476 00:38:03,678 --> 00:38:03,818 Yeah. 477 00:38:03,818 --> 00:38:13,498 so you can be willing to release music and see if you make any money and if you don't maybe this 478 00:38:13,498 --> 00:38:17,838 isn't the place for you yeah maybe you're doing the right thing on traditional music apps and you 479 00:38:17,838 --> 00:38:25,118 don't need to be over here cool but that isn't the case for like 99.9 percent of the musicians 480 00:38:25,118 --> 00:38:32,218 in the world yeah so you can stay on your high horse or you can eat it i don't care but this is 481 00:38:32,218 --> 00:38:38,038 what musicians are hoping for yeah absolutely and I'm always I'm really encouraged when 482 00:38:38,038 --> 00:38:44,698 I show up to an event that you know the population of the people who are there it can feel pretty 483 00:38:44,698 --> 00:38:50,098 dev heavy but we have people like Sam who show up or Nick and Oscar from Fountain and Theo and 484 00:38:50,098 --> 00:38:58,278 Dobby Doss who show up and they're like no like it's it's about more than just creating for people 485 00:38:58,278 --> 00:39:03,878 who are creating or developing for people who are developing like we have to remember that you know 486 00:39:03,878 --> 00:39:11,698 these platforms and nostr should be for users and not for other devs like yeah and I think that's a 487 00:39:11,698 --> 00:39:18,798 that's a loophole that I think people get kind of caught up in and um yeah I mean it's always 488 00:39:18,798 --> 00:39:24,478 encouraging you know when we have people who like Sam or like the fountain guys have had some 489 00:39:24,478 --> 00:39:30,939 experience firsthand in seeing how hard the music industry is and they're kind of there to sympathize 490 00:39:30,939 --> 00:39:36,558 and they're like I've been there too we know what that's like and um also on this point shout out to 491 00:39:36,558 --> 00:39:43,178 Nat and Nind from 2140 Music and Aaron of Essex because when I was in Manchester um when 492 00:39:43,178 --> 00:39:51,538 I was at the show that Longy was at the Green Sands were at Nathan Abbott um it was really 493 00:39:51,538 --> 00:39:59,338 it was such a well put together show and coming from somebody who has firsthand had experiences 494 00:39:59,338 --> 00:40:04,318 with onboarding artists putting those shows together making sure the technology is running 495 00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:09,598 right the wallets the live stream uh they did such a great job with putting that whole event on and 496 00:40:09,598 --> 00:40:15,398 not in from 2140 music are like visionaries like they have been in the traditional music industry 497 00:40:15,398 --> 00:40:19,919 they see how it doesn't work like they're doing the same thing that we're doing over here over 498 00:40:19,919 --> 00:40:27,278 there and um yeah it was it was really lovely to meet um Aaron of Essex and Longy um and the 499 00:40:27,278 --> 00:40:32,959 Green Sands man they were awesome really cool band um Aaron was like man the lead singer really 500 00:40:32,959 --> 00:40:37,419 sounds like Jeff Buckley and it's these like 16 17 year old like hard rock kids and they were 501 00:40:37,419 --> 00:40:41,678 really tight they were so good um and I think we've we've played them on the podcast before 502 00:40:41,678 --> 00:40:47,518 and I was like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah at some point like we we have done a lot of episodes of 503 00:40:47,518 --> 00:40:52,758 this podcast at this point I think this will be our 23rd once the time it comes out so go us 504 00:40:52,758 --> 00:41:02,538 go high five there we go um so we've done so many episodes of this and we've played a lot of music 505 00:41:02,538 --> 00:41:08,258 that sometimes I don't always remember like the artists that we've played and so uh Aaron had said 506 00:41:08,258 --> 00:41:11,479 like oh have you heard of the green sands and I was like oh I don't know and then I heard them play 507 00:41:11,479 --> 00:41:15,778 a song later in the night and I was like wait yes I have heard of the green sands we've played them 508 00:41:15,778 --> 00:41:23,318 like they were really good yeah and um Nathan Abbott was there oh another thing hardcore crushing on 509 00:41:23,318 --> 00:41:28,959 redacted he was so hot and he was really nice and like I can't tell if Brits are just like 510 00:41:28,959 --> 00:41:33,098 naturally flirty or if he was kind of into me too he was like thank in his British accent he 511 00:41:33,098 --> 00:41:39,919 was like thank you baby and I was like yeah thank you love I just 512 00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:41,364 Oh, that's my number. 513 00:41:41,504 --> 00:41:44,584 I want to have a British husband and I want him to call me love. 514 00:41:44,684 --> 00:41:46,244 I feel like any girl who greeds. 515 00:41:46,484 --> 00:41:46,784 Yeah. 516 00:41:47,284 --> 00:41:47,684 Specifically. 517 00:41:48,684 --> 00:41:51,164 Because, yeah, I wouldn't mind. 518 00:41:52,524 --> 00:41:54,564 That'd be nice. 519 00:41:55,204 --> 00:41:55,724 It would be. 520 00:41:55,984 --> 00:41:58,004 We're still monitoring that Google sheet, guys. 521 00:42:00,344 --> 00:42:01,684 It's a running joke. 522 00:42:02,904 --> 00:42:05,024 Yeah, if you want to submit an application. 523 00:42:05,484 --> 00:42:05,684 Yeah. 524 00:42:06,004 --> 00:42:07,204 Applications are open. 525 00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:08,704 Don't forget you do need references. 526 00:42:08,704 --> 00:42:13,664 But applications are closing in the beginning of February. 527 00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:14,744 February 1st. 528 00:42:14,844 --> 00:42:18,504 All submissions need to be in by February 1st. 529 00:42:18,684 --> 00:42:20,184 And if you're doing early decision. 530 00:42:22,644 --> 00:42:24,404 We'll get back to you by mid-April. 531 00:42:28,604 --> 00:42:31,424 Yeah, Katie and I were talking before we got on here. 532 00:42:31,964 --> 00:42:35,244 Both of us kind of have some people we're crushing on right now. 533 00:42:35,244 --> 00:42:38,244 And it was fun to be like, you know what? 534 00:42:38,244 --> 00:42:46,824 we're both very independent women who are I think we both thrive being single and being by ourselves 535 00:42:46,824 --> 00:42:54,044 because it's like I am not going to lower my standards for something that society tells me 536 00:42:54,044 --> 00:42:59,264 I should be in just for the sake of being in it like no I don't particularly feel like going through 537 00:42:59,264 --> 00:43:02,984 a bunch of relationships that like aren't good just for the sake of saying that I've been in 538 00:43:02,984 --> 00:43:08,064 relationships but I actually have a song like funny enough I have a song that I'm writing right 539 00:43:08,064 --> 00:43:14,884 now with Jake and the punchline of the chorus is am I stubborn for wanting nothing because something 540 00:43:14,884 --> 00:43:22,724 isn't loving me the way that I need hell yeah and it's truly a question that I do ask myself 541 00:43:22,724 --> 00:43:29,604 though like am I stubborn for literally like wanting no one because I haven't found that yet 542 00:43:29,604 --> 00:43:32,484 And that's no diss to the people that I've dated. 543 00:43:32,664 --> 00:43:36,744 It's just you also reason season lifetime, right? 544 00:43:36,884 --> 00:43:37,024 Yeah. 545 00:43:37,724 --> 00:43:44,984 So it's great to learn things about yourself while you're in relationships as well as while you're out of relationships. 546 00:43:44,984 --> 00:43:47,004 And there's a lot to be said for that as well. 547 00:43:47,144 --> 00:43:47,304 Yeah. 548 00:43:49,144 --> 00:43:59,444 But I fear at this point I've gone through the different iterations of that and I don't feel like I need to do it again. 549 00:43:59,604 --> 00:43:59,844 Mm-hmm. 550 00:44:00,004 --> 00:44:06,284 So am I stubborn for wanting nothing because something isn't loving me the way that I need? 551 00:44:07,024 --> 00:44:16,604 Or do I have, or, and the next one is, as a woman, am I given a choice or is it more of advice to wait and see? 552 00:44:17,544 --> 00:44:17,944 Yeah. 553 00:44:18,244 --> 00:44:24,904 Like, am I given a choice to wait and see or is it more of advice to be like, yeah, find one. 554 00:44:25,024 --> 00:44:25,224 Yeah. 555 00:44:26,004 --> 00:44:26,224 Right. 556 00:44:26,224 --> 00:44:32,384 Like, so all of that being said, I love that we can talk about these things. 557 00:44:32,384 --> 00:44:35,484 And I think a lot of women are age are going through the same thing as well. 558 00:44:35,604 --> 00:44:35,944 Totally. 559 00:44:36,404 --> 00:44:36,564 Yeah. 560 00:44:36,604 --> 00:44:37,604 And I love that we. 561 00:44:37,884 --> 00:44:40,384 Screw you, Dixie and Jake, for being in a great loving relationship. 562 00:44:40,604 --> 00:44:41,364 Oh, guys. 563 00:44:41,684 --> 00:44:42,644 Because it's so annoying. 564 00:44:42,884 --> 00:44:43,564 That's your fault. 565 00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:45,044 It's so annoying. 566 00:44:45,284 --> 00:44:45,504 Yeah. 567 00:44:45,724 --> 00:44:50,004 But we were talking before we got on here and we were like, oh, you know, you can forget. 568 00:44:50,004 --> 00:44:53,604 Like, I haven't had a crush on someone in a really long time. 569 00:44:53,604 --> 00:45:00,304 like but I you know I'm in the past year or so there's been someone who I've been kind of crushing 570 00:45:00,304 --> 00:45:06,404 on and I'm like you know what this is fun I forgot that this is just like it all sometimes like it 571 00:45:06,404 --> 00:45:11,244 isn't always that serious like you can just have a crush on someone for the sake of having a crush 572 00:45:11,244 --> 00:45:16,864 on someone and you can just let it be fun and is this thing with this person probably ever gonna 573 00:45:16,864 --> 00:45:24,464 happen no but it's still fun it's fun to hope fun to dream my my thing is that like i am always 574 00:45:24,464 --> 00:45:33,064 so like i'm very so not boy crazy in my actual life that i joke that like my outlet for it 575 00:45:33,064 --> 00:45:38,084 is in the books that i read and in the shows and like the fictional couples that i'm constantly 576 00:45:38,084 --> 00:45:38,524 shipping 577 00:45:38,524 --> 00:45:41,724 It's a lonely open road 578 00:45:41,724 --> 00:45:44,344 I can fall asleep 579 00:45:44,344 --> 00:45:48,904 It's a matter of myself 580 00:45:48,904 --> 00:45:51,744 Just a matter of key 581 00:45:51,744 --> 00:45:53,684 You can keep me new 582 00:45:53,684 --> 00:45:57,084 You, Kalina, don't lead me away 583 00:45:57,084 --> 00:46:00,464 I can read the lights on the television 584 00:46:00,464 --> 00:46:04,304 You, Kalina, don't lead me away 585 00:46:04,304 --> 00:46:08,504 You, Kalina, don't lead me away 586 00:46:08,524 --> 00:46:11,164 Colleen up, Colleen up, my young. 587 00:46:11,604 --> 00:46:14,604 It's the season of my solitude. 588 00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:17,084 I can hold my heart. 589 00:46:18,644 --> 00:46:21,824 I just want a little gratitude. 590 00:46:22,884 --> 00:46:24,444 But you just let me know. 591 00:46:24,944 --> 00:46:26,544 So here we go. 592 00:46:26,764 --> 00:46:29,784 Colleen up, don't lead me away. 593 00:46:30,144 --> 00:46:31,864 I can hear the fountain. 594 00:46:32,284 --> 00:46:33,224 The children ringing. 595 00:46:33,804 --> 00:46:37,064 Colleen up, don't lead me away. 596 00:46:37,064 --> 00:46:42,224 Coming up, I'm going to believe it 597 00:46:42,224 --> 00:46:44,564 Coming up, I'm going to believe it 598 00:46:44,564 --> 00:46:48,344 Coming up, I'm going to believe it 599 00:46:48,344 --> 00:46:50,944 Coming up, coming up, my dear 600 00:46:50,944 --> 00:46:53,864 It's the only road to travel 601 00:46:53,864 --> 00:46:57,424 I can find it in the city 602 00:46:57,424 --> 00:47:01,104 Anywhere you want to go 603 00:47:01,104 --> 00:47:02,864 Then go back home 604 00:47:02,864 --> 00:47:04,684 I can hold it up again 605 00:47:04,684 --> 00:47:06,424 So blow it up again 606 00:47:06,424 --> 00:47:09,084 Take on, you might not see at all 607 00:47:09,084 --> 00:47:13,804 Anywhere you wanna go, go back home 608 00:47:13,804 --> 00:47:23,404 I can't hold myself together 609 00:47:23,404 --> 00:47:30,864 I should go to sleep 610 00:47:30,864 --> 00:47:34,244 We are slowly open road 611 00:47:34,244 --> 00:47:53,217 I should buy a seat But I can hear now I spinning round and round and round Then I found you Kalina don lead me away I can read the lights on the television 612 00:47:53,477 --> 00:48:00,497 You, Kalina, don't lead me away. I can hear the bells in the church ringing. 613 00:48:00,497 --> 00:48:04,337 New Carolina, don't feed me away 614 00:48:04,337 --> 00:48:07,617 Shake me a side and off my body 615 00:48:07,617 --> 00:48:11,757 New Carolina, don't feed me away 616 00:48:11,757 --> 00:48:17,257 Carolina, oh no 617 00:48:17,257 --> 00:48:24,657 New Carolina, oh no 618 00:48:24,657 --> 00:48:30,797 You can be not, oh no 619 00:48:30,797 --> 00:48:37,657 You can be not, oh no 620 00:48:37,657 --> 00:48:42,657 It's the only road to travel on 621 00:48:42,657 --> 00:48:47,417 So much easier than sitting home 622 00:48:47,417 --> 00:48:50,957 Any way you wanna go 623 00:48:54,657 --> 00:49:04,577 Let me tell you a funny, another funny story about when we were in London. So the first day 624 00:49:04,577 --> 00:49:10,477 that we were, um, at BitFest, uh, my mom and I were talking with Nick and Oscar, we're just kind 625 00:49:10,477 --> 00:49:14,797 of like chatting, catching up. And it's about a week or so before we go out to their offices 626 00:49:14,797 --> 00:49:18,897 and they're like, Oh yeah, we can, um, we're, we're out in Soho. It's a really cute area. 627 00:49:19,257 --> 00:49:24,437 And I'm like, Oh, here we go. I thought it was going to be a funnier moment. Nick and Oscar 628 00:49:24,437 --> 00:49:30,277 looked at me like I was absolutely crazy. But so me, if you're a longtime listener of this podcast, 629 00:49:30,277 --> 00:49:35,537 or if you just, you know, consumed every piece of media I've ever put out, you would know that 630 00:49:35,537 --> 00:49:41,877 I am holding out for my one and only true love, Andrew Garfield, my number one, number one 631 00:49:41,877 --> 00:49:46,937 celebrity crush of all time. Truly. I'm so delusional. You give me 20 minutes with him. 632 00:49:46,937 --> 00:49:51,997 I can pull him. I can do that. I believe in myself. I believe in my ability to do that. 633 00:49:51,997 --> 00:49:58,477 and I had seen when we were going to London I saw a video of a bunch of um like London locals 634 00:49:58,477 --> 00:50:03,697 including Andrew like he was the only celebrity in there saying somebody asked oh what's the best 635 00:50:03,697 --> 00:50:09,537 coffee shop in London and everybody said Bar Italia and in Soho and I so then I went after 636 00:50:09,537 --> 00:50:14,877 Nick and Oscar said oh yeah our offices are in Soho then I decided to make a fun joke of it and 637 00:50:14,877 --> 00:50:19,877 I was like mom we can go to we can go to Bar Italia in Soho so I can have my Andrew Garfield 638 00:50:19,877 --> 00:50:27,057 sighting they looked at me like i was crazy they looked at me like i was like insane hey it's like 639 00:50:27,057 --> 00:50:32,517 it's like when somebody comes here and goes oh my gosh i can't wait to see blake sheldon 640 00:50:32,517 --> 00:50:38,177 on broadway yeah it's absolutely it's the same thing for sure but let me have my tourist moment 641 00:50:38,177 --> 00:50:44,077 true and look oscar nick i'll forgive you when i'm getting married to andrew garfield 642 00:50:44,077 --> 00:50:48,637 i will invite you guys and we will we will forgive and forget that you guys looked at me 643 00:50:48,637 --> 00:50:56,157 like I was delusional. It's fine. We'll forget it. We'll forget it. It's fine. But what was that 644 00:50:56,157 --> 00:51:02,837 thing you were saying about the SpaceX? Like how I'm such a grandma. I'm like the SpaceX. 645 00:51:03,317 --> 00:51:09,157 No, SpaceX. So I've been kind of monitoring Elon Musk ever since he really came out with like 646 00:51:09,157 --> 00:51:14,777 Neuralink because. Oh, I haven't even heard of that. Well, Neuralink is the chip that goes inside 647 00:51:14,777 --> 00:51:20,057 your brain it's like a computer thing oh yeah so he's heavily involved with that of course he is 648 00:51:20,057 --> 00:51:27,317 um tesla like he just has been sticking his fingers in a lot of different pies 649 00:51:27,317 --> 00:51:37,137 making a shit ton of money yeah and i don't know it just seems like we we started hearing about him 650 00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:45,817 maybe 10 years ago and now he's become one of the richest people in the world and i'm just curious 651 00:51:45,817 --> 00:51:53,677 so all of that being said spacex was a privately traded company it is now going public in the 652 00:51:53,677 --> 00:52:05,637 beginning of 2026 and it's being valued at 800 billion with a b so 653 00:52:05,637 --> 00:52:14,797 So I don't know truly the ins and outs of when a company goes private to public. 654 00:52:15,297 --> 00:52:22,837 But I will say in some way, shape, or form, the owner of said shares has to be bought out. 655 00:52:23,677 --> 00:52:30,177 So I don't know if Elon is the complete owner or if he did that with investor money or yada, yada. 656 00:52:30,177 --> 00:52:31,877 Like, I haven't done that research. 657 00:52:32,257 --> 00:52:35,277 But I will say he's getting a good chunk of that. 658 00:52:35,277 --> 00:52:40,357 And that's just from a company going private to public. 659 00:52:40,477 --> 00:52:41,257 Like, that's crazy. 660 00:52:41,617 --> 00:52:42,917 That's just one thing. 661 00:52:44,037 --> 00:52:55,977 And if he has so many other figures, like, I don't know whether I'm suspicious of this man or if I'm like, hmm, how can I do that in a more ethical way? 662 00:52:56,137 --> 00:52:57,037 Yes, exactly. 663 00:52:57,237 --> 00:52:58,677 Like, how can I? 664 00:52:59,457 --> 00:53:00,057 How? 665 00:53:00,057 --> 00:53:03,757 Because he's doing so, I don't know. 666 00:53:04,337 --> 00:53:05,117 All of that said. 667 00:53:05,117 --> 00:53:10,637 again FBI if you're watching please don't kill me but also if you're hiring please let me know 668 00:53:10,637 --> 00:53:17,297 like yeah I mean look I don't am I a big fan of Elon Musk no but if he's gonna send more men to 669 00:53:17,297 --> 00:53:23,237 Mars then you know that can't be a bad thing well and I mean the thing about it was they're 670 00:53:23,237 --> 00:53:28,957 they're hoping to launch Neuralink well not Neuralink they're hoping to launch satellites 671 00:53:28,957 --> 00:53:34,897 within the SpaceX like system essentially he has a shit ton of satellites that are up in the 672 00:53:34,897 --> 00:53:52,910 ether space or ether is internet lol but that are up in the space and are giving cell service to people in space or in the air he hoping to then create a chain of that between like you could call me from 673 00:53:52,910 --> 00:54:03,310 mars whoa that's what he's trying to do whoa in real time whoa with satellites that's what he's 674 00:54:03,310 --> 00:54:13,430 trying to do see my thing with the whole space time travel thing is one of the big arguments that 675 00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:19,930 I see with billionaires is that people are like you know you have so much money you could do so 676 00:54:19,930 --> 00:54:25,090 much good on this earth I read um or I listened to Bernie Sanders latest book when I was driving 677 00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:31,350 down to DC um and there was a statistic in it that said if billionaires if every billionaire 678 00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:38,350 got together and piled up their money, they would solve world hunger 14 times over. And it's like, 679 00:54:38,350 --> 00:54:46,330 okay, knowing that, why aren't we spending this money to help the people who are already here 680 00:54:46,330 --> 00:54:53,610 instead of trying, or no, why aren't we helping the people on this earth who are already here 681 00:54:53,610 --> 00:55:04,510 instead of trying to make, you know, a colony on Mars for us to go live in when the sun dies out in 682 00:55:04,510 --> 00:55:09,590 however many years or when, you know, inevitably we have a mass casualty event that, you know, 683 00:55:09,590 --> 00:55:16,090 forces us to not be able to live here. Like, why aren't we taking care of the people who don't have 684 00:55:16,090 --> 00:55:22,670 homes, who don't have food, who don't have access to clean water? Another thing that I'm 685 00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:28,890 another thing that I am passionate about is like period poverty like what do you mean that like 686 00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:34,530 the women in Gaza were stripping linen off their tents because they didn't have pads and tampons 687 00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:39,650 what do you mean that like a lot of women are getting infections because they don't have 688 00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:48,170 Kotex yeah like I'm just baffled by why are we trying to fix a problem that's not really even a 689 00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:55,250 problem but we're just completely letting the problems that are here on this earth go to the 690 00:55:55,250 --> 00:56:04,690 wayside right now yeah I about period poverty as well I saw a video that was like it's a fun 691 00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:10,110 funny little quip but it was like if men went through period cramps in a period there would 692 00:56:10,110 --> 00:56:17,810 be a cure by noon and a voucher for the grocery store yeah like because at the end of the day like 693 00:56:17,810 --> 00:56:24,950 that's one week every single month of every single year that a woman is literally shedding 694 00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:31,450 an internal organ yeah it's hard for those of you who haven't experienced it also if you think 695 00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:39,650 about it you're shedding that once a month you're also growing an entire organ 12 times a year 696 00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:46,530 do you know how much energy that takes yeah so then you think about that and it's like oh 697 00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:51,970 but now we're getting into the like anthropological i'm here to have it i'm here to have that 698 00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:58,730 conversation i am and like one of the other things like and this is kind of getting back into 699 00:56:58,730 --> 00:57:05,750 uh inequality in the music industry is like so i don't also think that people understand that like 700 00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:11,150 being on your period can affect your voice and affect not just of course it affects your energy 701 00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:17,490 and how you're feeling but the way that you sing and like you can have a perfect rehearsal you know 702 00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:22,610 a couple days before your period starts and then you go on and you do a show on the first or second 703 00:57:22,610 --> 00:57:26,250 day and it's like why is my instrument not functioning the way that it normally does 704 00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:31,690 there are a lot of things that people don't think of when it comes to you know how periods affect 705 00:57:31,690 --> 00:57:44,130 women yeah no I yeah there's a lot to be talked around this and billionaires and what's going on 706 00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:51,570 in the world and how that ties to the little guy and how Bitcoin is trying to improve that ish but 707 00:57:51,570 --> 00:58:00,130 then of course it's being spun out like all I would tell you as well is nine out of ten times 708 00:58:00,130 --> 00:58:06,270 when somebody is vehemently telling you not to do something 709 00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:11,870 and not to go for it, not to do this, not to do that, 710 00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:14,590 because this, this, this, this, and this, and this. 711 00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:17,110 And if you've looked into it and you're like, 712 00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:19,150 well, that looks pretty decent, 713 00:58:19,810 --> 00:58:23,750 it's probably because that person wants to hold a corner on that market. 714 00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:28,930 And they probably don't want you to have the same idea that they've had. 715 00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:32,230 And so they're going to scare you and say, no, don't do it. 716 00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:32,810 It's so bad. 717 00:58:33,490 --> 00:58:34,170 Don't do this. 718 00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:34,610 Don't do that. 719 00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:39,950 Maybe what that person is just trying to do is cover up something that they don't want 720 00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:40,970 you to have access to. 721 00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:41,390 Yeah. 722 00:58:42,510 --> 00:58:46,550 And that trick is the oldest trick in the book. 723 00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:52,130 So, I mean, yeah, don't go down that alleyway. 724 00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:53,190 That alleyway is haunted. 725 00:58:53,330 --> 00:58:54,230 That alleyway is terrible. 726 00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:55,730 That led to a speakeasy. 727 00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:56,710 Yeah. 728 00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:57,510 You know what I mean? 729 00:58:57,610 --> 00:58:57,850 For sure. 730 00:58:57,850 --> 00:59:00,310 Like it's the premise of don't do this. 731 00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:00,890 It's bad. 732 00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:05,170 But the other guy is doing it 10 times over and making a shit ton of money. 733 00:59:05,230 --> 00:59:06,430 Well, he's telling you that it's bad. 734 00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:16,670 It's like what we talked about last week in the episode about, you know, a lot of the labels were all up in arms about, oh, you can't use our artists to train AI. 735 00:59:16,810 --> 00:59:19,710 But then once they were cut in on the deal about it, they're like, oh, it's fine. 736 00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:20,250 Right. 737 00:59:20,650 --> 00:59:23,570 Speaking of AI, another Spotify headline. 738 00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:29,570 Spotify to let users steer the algorithm by personalizing playlists with AI prompts. 739 00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:36,590 Spotify is portraying the new feature as part of its effort to make the music streaming experience more personable and controllable by users. 740 00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:49,022 Users can always fine by editing the prompt and can request a regular refresh of the playlists essentially creating a personalized version of Spotify Discover Weekly feature Quote our goal is to make Spotify more personable 741 00:59:49,922 --> 00:59:51,322 I don't know why I keep saying personable. 742 00:59:51,322 --> 00:59:57,522 More personal, more responsive, more intelligent, and more aware of the world and culture around it 743 00:59:57,522 --> 01:00:00,442 in order to bring greater value to listeners, artists, and creators. 744 01:00:00,922 --> 01:00:04,422 And for artists, this unlocks smarter, more inspired discoveries, 745 01:00:04,422 --> 01:00:08,382 resurfacing their music for the right listeners and opening new ways to deepen their fan bases 746 01:00:08,382 --> 01:00:14,722 sure jan sure jan like 747 01:00:14,722 --> 01:00:26,762 it's odd to me that labels are very up in arms until they can get a piece of it yeah and i mean 748 01:00:26,762 --> 01:00:35,062 it's the classic thing from record labels that we've seen forever yeah but I don't know I think 749 01:00:35,062 --> 01:00:46,222 AI is just scary in general and to me when you verge on AI anything like you're just 750 01:00:46,222 --> 01:00:54,242 you gotta be careful yeah and I don't think that that's being careful I I don't either like to me 751 01:00:54,242 --> 01:01:02,122 I read that as, hey, artists, we're going to make it even harder than it already is to have fans find your music. 752 01:01:02,242 --> 01:01:10,642 Because I truly, and this is my firsthand experience, I just don't think people are interested in discovering new music anymore. 753 01:01:11,002 --> 01:01:21,542 I mean, I can't tell if it's people just aren't interested in it or if the landscape has just made it impossible to discover new music that people have kind of forgotten that that's a thing that you can do. 754 01:01:21,542 --> 01:01:29,462 I read that and I see you know an average music listener being like okay give me the deep cuts of 755 01:01:29,462 --> 01:01:37,862 this artist that I love who I've only heard the top hits from not like hey give me an artist that 756 01:01:37,862 --> 01:01:45,662 has less than a thousand monthly listeners right I just don't see how this is going to help artists 757 01:01:45,662 --> 01:01:55,162 more I just see it as fans here's more of a chance to just keep listening to your favorite artists 758 01:01:55,162 --> 01:01:59,982 but we can make it really niche if you want a niche playlist about your parents arguing in the 759 01:01:59,982 --> 01:02:04,502 kitchen in 2009 while you bake cookies and you know you know you want four Beyonce songs that 760 01:02:04,502 --> 01:02:09,642 well what I'm worried about is I mean and I'm sitting here looking at your sweater that looks 761 01:02:09,642 --> 01:02:16,682 like a knit sweater right uh sure it's not really knit it's it's a blue gingham sweater yeah it's 762 01:02:16,682 --> 01:02:23,502 blue gingham and i think about it like this at some point in time somebody knit that and that 763 01:02:23,502 --> 01:02:29,542 was their job and they sold it and they make it they made a lot of money on it and that's how they 764 01:02:29,542 --> 01:02:35,862 put food on the table yeah and then something came around to where they were able to make a super 765 01:02:35,862 --> 01:02:43,242 modified machine and then that person got out of a job yeah because they made a machine to replace 766 01:02:43,242 --> 01:02:51,062 the human that's happened across all sectors yeah but widely it has been agreed that art is not 767 01:02:51,062 --> 01:03:01,942 subject to that because art is subjective and can't be created or um trained by a human like 768 01:03:01,942 --> 01:03:07,762 it can't be duplicated that's the word i was looking for yeah it can't be duplicated so it's 769 01:03:07,762 --> 01:03:15,702 always going to be by a human yeah with ai that nixes that yeah because now you can create human 770 01:03:15,702 --> 01:03:21,242 likeness yeah and that's why i think artists are a little bit more scared now with all of this 771 01:03:21,242 --> 01:03:27,782 because at one point we were like oh this isn't gonna affect us because whatever automation 772 01:03:27,782 --> 01:03:36,882 technology improvements and yada yada yada but no this is very much going to affect yeah and 773 01:03:36,882 --> 01:03:47,222 i also raised that is it unfair for us to already get so mad when this has already happened across 774 01:03:47,222 --> 01:03:53,282 multiple different and we've factors for multiple different industries lack of a better term 775 01:03:53,282 --> 01:03:59,882 artists have been safe up until this point because there hasn't been a machine or a computer that's 776 01:03:59,882 --> 01:04:06,822 been able to replicate art until now ish roughly yeah and I mean one of the other things that was 777 01:04:06,822 --> 01:04:11,682 in that article that I didn't say was that you know the Spotify spokesperson or whatever said 778 01:04:11,682 --> 01:04:16,322 we truly believe that playlist curation is still at the heart of the Spotify experience but like 779 01:04:16,322 --> 01:04:22,722 I feel like with that tool artists are going to be just like oh make me a playlist that you know 780 01:04:22,722 --> 01:04:28,802 has XYZ requirements and it takes the fun out of going and discovering it yourself and continuing 781 01:04:28,802 --> 01:04:33,962 to add to this four and a half hour long playlist that you've been curating for three years. Like 782 01:04:33,962 --> 01:04:39,282 you don't have to make that anymore and find the songs and be like, Oh, I heard this instrumental 783 01:04:39,282 --> 01:04:43,762 in a TV show. And this has to go on my study playlist, which is something that I have like, 784 01:04:44,062 --> 01:04:51,802 it takes it out of it. Like, Oh man, I saw that Katie and I were like looking at, 785 01:04:51,802 --> 01:04:57,582 um you know headlines to talk about and she was like in the kitchen and I like saw that 786 01:04:57,582 --> 01:05:05,882 headline and I just cackled and I was like ah of course of course Spotify yeah we saw it coming 787 01:05:05,882 --> 01:05:12,562 but I think that might wrap it up for this episode I think it will too it has been an honor and a 788 01:05:12,562 --> 01:05:21,542 privilege that sounds like we're ending yeah last episode of the snap guys it's been real 789 01:05:21,542 --> 01:05:26,002 no after after 23 episodes we're giving it a rest rounded it out at 23 790 01:05:26,002 --> 01:05:32,382 we'll see you next time rounding it out at 23 i feel like that's all we hear from the music 791 01:05:32,382 --> 01:05:38,602 industry too no literally lol it's been me your host katie and me your host ainsley and we'll 792 01:05:38,602 --> 01:05:39,442 catch you next time