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Now that we have your attention, welcome to...

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Drumroll, please.

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The Snap.

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A podcast by me, your host, Katie.

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And me, your host, Ainsley.

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Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the

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Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space.

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As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around

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a broken music industry.

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Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space.

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And thought, why not give it a try?

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In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far.

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How that definition is changing.

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And where the space comes in.

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We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix.

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We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard.

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We're so glad you're here.

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So let's get to it.

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May all acquaintance be forgotten.

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Happy New Year!

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no this will be released it will be released in the new year happy 2026 from 2025 i hope it's

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better over there i hope it's better y'all are on the other side send us a postcard let us know

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literally welcome back welcome back i knew i wanted to start the episode that way and just

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like see how you would react yeah i was like well because she took a big breath and went

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I was like oh there's something coming there's something a song and dance by Ainsley Costello

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yeah well welcome back to the snap we're glad to be back it's been a couple weeks since we've

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it has been done an episode we've both you've been across the pond and you've released a lot

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of new music yes I can't tell you like how exciting it was I was sitting in the middle

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of BitFest like in a seminar not seminar not lecture a panel that's why I don't know why I

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couldn't remember a lecture on Noster lectures on how Bitcoin is fixing everything um I was sitting

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in on a BitFest panel and I was like scrolling Noster and I started seeing all this stuff about

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Catherine pop up and I was like did I miss a plot point did I forget something like I wouldn't have

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forgotten that like if you were releasing new music but I was so excited about it and then like

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I just kept seeing Catherine's being played on this podcast Catherine's being played on that

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podcast so uh I am this is me informing you that both of our music picks on the last episode are

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both Catherine songs crazy that's it's so exciting to have him out and I yeah I didn't tell anybody

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purely because it's been a year in the making to get a lot of this music recorded and mastered and

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mixed and okay well we have it mastered and then we listen to it again and the vocals don't match

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here and and then you go back through and this was made with the old template and this is made

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with the new template and they're all supposed to be sounding cohesive when yeah so it's kind of like

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this has been a while in the making but early november i started talking to the boys over at

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fountain shout out shout out shout out and theo specifically was like hey so we really want to

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start pushing your music and we really want to help facilitate that do you have any music to give

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us and I was like well do I ever yes I do um but it's not all necessarily finished and he was like

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well can you get 10 to me next week and I go oh how do we get from not finished to 10 fuck me

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um and he was like I was like oh okay tell you what I can get you five next week and then two

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weeks after that I can give you five more so I can give you 10 it's just a little bit longer of a

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time and he was like yeah yeah that's fine that's fine that's well and so I'm like and my producer

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doesn't know this that I've already agreed to this he has no clue walking into the studio like hey

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no so I know literally after after I get off the phone with with Theo I call him and I go hey

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so here's the deal we have a lot of music that's kind of ready but not but ish and we record every

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week so just for the next two weeks to prep we need to get 10 songs done and he goes and he

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laughs like jake literally laughs in my face and he's like oh okay no no no like literally thinks

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it's a joke yeah it's laughing like no like nice joke and i'm like no jake like i'm serious

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like we okay so we need to get 10 songs done it's one song to get you know 10 songs done in two

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months it's another to get 10 songs done in two weeks yeah and so i was like hey so here's the

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first five they're all on the new template it's really just about mixing them and getting to the

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point where what do you like them what do you say when you mean on the new template so

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because jake and i have been recording for a few years together in different studios different

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places different states like we've used a template what you record into in pro tools

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and so there's like a standard template that every artist gets yeah and then if you're working with

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somebody you can tweak it you can put it through this you can put it through that there's this

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plugin there's that plugin there's this compressor that compressor so many different names so many

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different numbers not my job yeah but I do know that there's multiple different templates that an

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artist can go through so over the past year this template is very near and dear to Jake and I as

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well as the engineers at the studio that we work at because every single person in that studio has

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touch to this template yeah like it is jake's pride and joy my pride and joy because it is so

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tuned to every single thing within my voice yeah and every single instrument and how we like it and

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how it's tuned in the reverb and so the template is the amazing thing but that's the new template

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right we've been through like so many different iterations of it yeah so we could have a song

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pulled that's technically quote-unquote done but it's on the old template that's like two templates

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ago yeah so it sounds quote-unquote done but it doesn't sound like the one that's in the new

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template so if you were to release them together there's not a cohesiveness there's not a cohesiveness

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yeah so it's like okay it's done yay wrong template yeah so then it's putting that song

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into the new template and he loves me I know that he does because he did pull that together

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but it was really putting our head down yeah and getting it done and on my end there were like

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four songs that I didn't have the second verse of oh that's always fun like panic writing in the

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corner yeah this song has to come out well and I was trying so hard to not panic write because I'm

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Like I love the concepts and I'm,

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I'm such a stickler for if it doesn't make sense,

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I'm the same way.

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If the words don't work and it doesn't make sense,

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There are two songs that came out and the second five that were replaced.

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Really?

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There were two songs that aren't even on that aren't.

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Interesting.

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I pulled because I couldn't finish them in the way that I wanted to.

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All songwriters.

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two different songs in their place. Yeah. Hot take all artists and songwriters. Um, not all,

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maybe, I don't know. This is just coming from someone who loves lyrics. Um, you know, it's cool

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in pop songwriting. Number one main rule of pop songwriting is it doesn't have to make sounds,

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just has to sound good. We should be striving to write, you know, lyrics that make sense.

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And like, Hey, maybe we should take a lyric first mentality. Sometimes they just putting it out

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there it's and I mean hot take but especially in this world of AI yeah where you can now an AI can

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listen to my discography that I just released okay just released yeah and can write five more songs

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exactly like it write me a song in the style of Catherine that's also part of my rhyme and reason

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for putting out 10 songs that are 10 different vibes yeah because if an AI were to look at that

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There's cohesiveness, but only with my voice.

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They're different on so many different levels and you won't be able to copy that.

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So if I release something that's a little bit different until I find the audience that

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absolutely loves X, that's what I'm going to keep doing.

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It's throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

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That's what it is.

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Can I give you my top three?

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Opening up my fountain app because I was listening to it because I had listened to a couple of

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the songs in passing.

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no literally I was editing the podcast the other night to put our music in for you know the last

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episode that came out before this one is out and I was like oh okay I know I want to do you know I

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want to put two Catherine songs in here and I was like there's a lot more here what just happened

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I'm so confused I mean so just to finish the story with Jake and to get the 10 songs done

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he pulled it together and got the first five to me and then the next week goes by and I had told

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him like I I love this man I know how to work him the next week I told him we have we have to get the

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next five done by next week so it's five and five back to back weeks yeah he doesn't know

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that it's two weeks spaced.

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So good luck.

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So he doesn't know that.

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so you don't have the second verse on these four.

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And I go, I know.

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I get there And he was like but but but but they supposed to come out And I was like so no they supposed to come out next week And he was like but but but I thought it was this week And I was like it next week

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And so he got his work done.

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So he was able to then go and work on the new stuff.

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Because mind you, in, in all of this, there's still probably six or seven songs that are new that we've done in the past two months.

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so it's like it's always a cycle yeah and so now he's working on the new stuff I'm writing the old

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stuff the old stuff's coming out now now that all of that stuff is out we can now write the new stuff

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but the second five came out purely with sheer grit and determination and we're gonna get this

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done and do it and it's gonna be good and fine and you know what it's the world's now and yeah

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definitely it's just gotta be out it's got we just because at some point like so I didn't tell

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anybody but it was that moment of like we got to put our nose down get it done get it out

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and once it's out then you can breathe it's out yeah that's how I felt with xless like the album

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was done and finished for just about a year before it came out and I was like because we were trying

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to figure out all the the rights with all the bitcoin stuff and like how do we get these

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collaborators to be okay with this and it's like I don't want to just put this up and like have a

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bunch of people who are pissed off at me but also like I need this music to come out because it's

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driving me crazy because also this is another thing that like I've really been thinking about

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like I think a lot of people think about oh it's so great that you write music like it is it like

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do you write music just for you and like then you put it out and I'm like no maybe this is the wrong

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thing to say, but like I write music for other people to listen to. Yes, it is therapeutic. Yes,

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I'm writing this because I have to get this off my chest. But like, that's a different thing if

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you're just writing music for you. Or if you are like, I kind of see it like there are two buckets.

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There's 90% of the time I'm writing in the first bucket, which is like,

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when you're writing a song from the get go, you are writing it for it to be on the radio,

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you are writing it to have a bunch of people like it and listening to it. And then, you know,

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you know five or ten percent of the time that's when you're like oh this is like just pure

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catharsis I just have to write this but for the most part we are commercial artists and we want

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to write music for other people to listen to yeah I think a lot of my music I try to come from a

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general lens like I write it from the perspective of like you could be listening to this song and

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think it's about a friend because that's what you're thinking about yeah that's what you're

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going through at that moment yeah or you could listen to this song and think it's about a

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relationship because that's what you're going through but it would make sense to whatever lens

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your mind is currently in that's why I want to write the way that I do is because it's like

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I want it to be able to apply to everybody yeah but at the same time it is cathartic of like this

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is something that happened to me and I am putting pen to paper to explain it yeah but the art is

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doing it generally so that everybody can do the same yeah and that's incredibly hard and very niche

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and that's the art that gets lost within exactly what you're saying which is what every artist has

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to do yeah it's right so that people like it and want to stream it so that you ultimately don't eat

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toast every day yeah toast hello so it's it's the it's the balance of like what works what doesn't

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what people like and unfortunately we are in the court of public opinion yes always there's nothing

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that you can put out that isn't going to be whether it's on a wide scale or not that isn't going to be

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dissected in some way whether it's just like somebody listening to it in the car on the way

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to work and being like oh that's a really interesting lyric or that's a really interesting

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chord change or if it's like you know people online who are like it's like one of my favorite

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artists like kelsey ballerini she has that um in one of in one of the songs on her very acclaimed

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rolling up the welcome mat ep she's got a song called interlude where she's top ep changed my

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life oh my god literally and i would say this with my full heart right now i would go through

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a divorce tomorrow if it meant that i could write that good of a record about it there i would do

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that absolutely and you hit on something that i think is very funny for artists we'll sign up for

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heartbreak so we can get material out of it so yes and there's also the sense of like

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if i because i can only put it in the terms of what i know and what i've like seen and experienced

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but and what i've seen of others experience people's people do their best work when they're

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channeling whatever emotion is going through their head into what they're doing and she's like very

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publicly talked about that ep like she wasn't writing that ep for public consumption yeah like

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that was the first thing that she didn't kind of like round the edges songwriting wise on like

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weirdly the more specific you write something sometimes the more universal it is and it's

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really counterintuitive right like there's but yeah that line in interlude where like it was

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goes back to what we were talking about a minute ago it says um mom's asking if i'm okay the internet

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the internet says i'm losing weight this wasn't how it's supposed to play out so which side are

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you gonna take now i was like wasn't supposed to be a takedown but which side are you gonna take

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now that entire lyric that entire album like lyrically insane yeah that's how i feel about

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lily allen's new record too there's i haven't listened to lily allen's new record purely because

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I also don't know the parasocial beef that surrounds it like and so to me I feel like I

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can't appreciate it as much as the next person yeah um weirdly with that one I felt like I could

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appreciate it more because I hadn't listened to her before sometimes it's easier for me to go and

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listen to music from an artist who I have like no prior it's not that I didn't know who Lily Allen

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was but like no prior like idolization or like yeah I haven't put this artist on a pedestal so

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it's easy for me to come and look at it no expectations it's easy for me to look at it

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more objectively um but yeah but let me get back to my top three on the photo series which also I

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want to talk about trying to stall because you're like top three which also I want to talk about the

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branding of this and how you landed on like the photo series and everything number one I come in

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the first thing I tell Katie today is and I keep in mind when I the worst descriptive adjectives I

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use the more I love something scoot foul filthy ridiculous beat I heard that and I was like what

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in the hell is what just came out of Catherine's mouth yeah why is she singing on that song

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sit down and let me tell you how much I love this song scoot is my number one on this project

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love I've loved body ever since I heard it like are you what who writes I have a body that men

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made statues of i have the body of aphrodite literally and like i yesterday i had a songwriting

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session where we were talking about like writing about overcoming like generational body dysmorphia

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and i was like oh katherine would be proud katie would be proud um and then also in and out love

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that so cool i did have to say though i saw that and maybe it's just because um you know nashville

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now has in and out burger which is a whole thing we could talk about i did also and maybe my mind

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does not normally work like this but my songwriting session i had yesterday she one of my co-writers

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texted me and she was asking about a lyric and she was like hey like is this maybe this is just

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how i heard it but like are you hearing a sexual innuendo in this and i saw in and out and i was

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like what are we talking about here do you think what's going on here it was not what i was expecting

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which I was like okay cool it would have been cool if it was that too well no it's a double

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entendre it is absolutely a double entendre um I I am secretly an English professor at heart

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and I love using metaphor simile double entendre on a lot of people hyperboles I love using we love

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the english language yeah i mean so in and out is definitely a double entendre yeah

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and i wanted people to listen to it and have it be a little bit jarring because the first lyric

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is in and out and then you go oh what the fuck is she about to say like what is she gonna say

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and you go my memory is in and out oh oh oh she's talking about memory okay okay um and now um and

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Or up and down.

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Oh, shit.

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My heart rate.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, I see.

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Heart rate, heart rate.

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Like, that's what I was going for.

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No, and you definitely did that.

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Because then when you, like, you switched it to In-N-Out, My Memory is In-N-Out, I was

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like, is this about to be about, like, a trauma we've gone through that we don't remember?

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No, no.

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Like, what?

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Wow, we're getting really deep on the photo series.

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Yeah, how much do we drink?

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I mean, because that song really is supposed to be like, holy shit.

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you woke up in somebody's bed and you're trying to remember what you did how did we get here how

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how did how did we get here and why am i kind of liking it because i should be very much panicking

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right now like like there's that like oh oh uh oh yeah so in and out very fun to write and that was

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actually shopped around with a few people for a second verse and like a collaboration song and

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ultimately it just came to the people that would write on it just were making it

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either too sexual because the beauty of the song is that you can listen to it and it's not about

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sex no it not and you hear it and you like oh it about you can i drank too much last night and i woke up on the couch uh like you can listen to it and hear that or you can listen to it and hear something else entirely

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yeah it depends on where your mind is at as well absolutely and that's what no artist could

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replicate that that I was trying to write with they would make it either too sexual or not talk

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about it at all not like live in the gray in that middle area yeah they there there was a beauty of

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the song of you had to stick in that gray yeah that somebody could listen to it either way

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and so ultimately it just came to it was just my song yeah but it was try it was cool trying to

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collaborate with other artists and seeing if they could also kind of live in that and

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it just didn't come out that's okay somebody else it's like we were talking about before we started

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recording the genius was like this is katherine's song the the little elusive magical genius that

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comes and visit you visits you but that is something that I think I also tried to accomplish

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on people pleaser um because that song is about like setting boundaries and saying no I don't

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want to do this if I'm I've been you know people pleasing you but I would like you to please me

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like and there's a little bit of an innuendo there with that and it's like it's not weird or it's not

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creepy and like I felt like we did that in a pretty empowering way especially with someone who

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like I've been very afraid to kind of step into that like more sexual innuendo world but um yeah

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I just I love when artists do that okay but talk to me about the photo series how did you land on

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pictures and that kind of imagery and marketing it came down to two things

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I feel like I know what you're gonna say I had a friend and a camera

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and that's about it was Jake also the one who took the pictures no Dixie was okay

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his girlfriend yeah my best friend which also if you're listening to this in the new year we

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probably have a new cover art on this where you can actually see what we look like and jake took

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those pictures of us yes he did take those pictures um truly it is a village here like

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it really just came down to indie in-house people no truly i i had 12 songs well 10 songs

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on fountain and then it's going to be 12 on dsps over the next year though yeah so you guys are

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gonna have these songs for a year and everybody else is gonna wait every month so just know that

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as well we're feeding you well feeding you well come on now mother is feeding us i'm trying man

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i'm trying hard mother ate and left no crumbs i'll be i'll be the the gen z brain rot in in

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your nostril comments be like mother feed us more eight left no crumbs i'm trying and so

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releasing all of those will be good but for the time being

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yeah it was just i had 10 songs yeah that i needed to put out and i go okay i have two options

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i have either release it as an ep do one cover and figure out like a very nice cover

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and spend the money on that or i do two nice covers two eps release it that way

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or i have to come up with 10 covers which is hard which is so hard to be creative all the time

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it's hard to be like okay i have to come up with 10 covers on top of all of the other shit that i

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need to do for promoting this and recording it and writing it and there's so many ands yeah and

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it's like okay I don't have a big budget I have 10 faces that I can make yeah

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no and that's like that was the mindset for me around like x-list is an album it's out on the

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DSPs as an album but you know over here in this world like you listen to all those songs even

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though like I didn't release it as an album over here but they all have different covers so like

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they can be differentiated and like that was like I've been there before like I know what it's like

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to every week like okay we're shifting this song is blue this song is red this song is purple and

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then you're doing different makeup looks and then you're trying a million different poses and then

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you have to put it into Final Cut Pro and then you have to put it into Canva and then you have

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to do this and that and that and it's a lot it's a lot there's there's a lot of like not only am I

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the artist but I'm the artist the digital media the manager the content creator the photographer

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the recorder the yeah it's the and y'all wonder why artists are tired of singles like in some ways

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it's way easier to put out an album than it is to put out singles it is and also trying to like

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talk to my corporate friends about this like yeah I I have 12 songs to show for a year's work

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which like to music industry people were like that's a good year but like normal outside world

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people would hear that and be like only 12 right right it's like well like that's a lot of my

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parents they're like you've been spending how much for how many songs and you've been doing this

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every week and it's like okay by today's standards I understand the rage 12 is a lot of songs to

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people who understand how much work it it takes to put it to make those songs that's a lot of songs

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but the thing is and it's 12 and and this is where I feel solid because it's 12 songs that are final

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yeah we have probably about 20 yeah 20 30 that aren't final it are like one verse that are being

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shopped around for collabs that are like there are so many pots on the burners man and like also

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you have to write a hundred songs to get 10 good ones yeah that's what it is at the end of the day

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well and it's working with the right people because i mean we write in different ways sometimes

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it's there's a guy that we go to for guitar and sometimes he'll send riffs and that's what i write

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to and then from that riff we take it to the studio and then jake makes a beat into it well

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i already have this first verse but then oh fuck we don't have a baseline for it called call our

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friend that does bass for it and then ultimately that song could go from a guitar loop to an

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entirely new song in one month but that's a shit ton of work if you're gonna do four songs

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the same way on top of that at the same time and

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I love it it's one of the things that keeps me going but it's it's a lot for one brain to process

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on top of a full-time job yep it's a lot to process when it is your full-time job too

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yeah like it's it's hard out here we love it we do it for a reason but you know I think that's a

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I think a frustration that I think a lot of artists have with the outside world like people

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would say like oh there's only 12 songs or oh like it's not hard to write a song like you can just

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you know get an idea and write it in a couple hours nope uh-uh like I get how it goes like

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there's there's a process to things and all we'll say is

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starting the process is one thing making sure that it continually works is another thing like

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starting a song from start to finish and doing it with one engineer awesome great cool perfect

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like get that done in a week or so you can try really hard yeah you can get it done and

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when you're paying someone there's an incentive yeah absolutely and so there's something to be

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said for that and but I think it is harder as well to obviously build relationships with people

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but building that over time and building a working model that runs well is so hard like with the

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right people and knowing what everybody's strengths are you have to know them for a specific amount of

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time like the the guys that i'm working with we've all known each other for three years four years

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and know each other's strengths and weaknesses and i will say not everything runs like a smooth

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well-oiled machine but it's getting there it's the beauty of building it and finding the right

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people and building that team and knowing who you're with and building a support system yeah

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that can help you and say okay like there's there's an engineer that specifically we ask

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to listen to the music because we know he'll say it's shit yeah like because he will listen to it

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that's important and go i don't like this i don't like that i don't like this i don't like that

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that sucks that's off time you need to chop that up yeah katie your vocals sound absolutely trash

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did you have any tea or what did you do like before like there's like and he is just brutal

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yeah and but it took a year for him to feel like he could be comfortable doing that because

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for a year he would just listen to the music and nod and go yeah that's good yeah and then walk

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away but it took a year of being like no say what you're thinking like please just tell me it's not

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gonna hurt my feelings just tell me yeah but those relationships are truly where the music industry

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is yeah but you get lost when you go to these big labels and like are kind of farming out for those

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type of things like that's where the core of the music industry is yeah and i'm i'm grateful to be

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a part of it and like build but it takes time it a lot of like a time that you constantly swimming to willing to

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But now I'm looking for a place to call home

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But can I leave it?

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A new city and a new shitty bed

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This is living

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It's not bad for a kid who just wants to make it play

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And you are the only one that I needed

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And you are the only one that I've known

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And I'm chasing the blue skies

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You know stranger to a life on the road

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You're escaping

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So we've made it a life on our own

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Who's complaining

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And you are the only one that I needed

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And you are the only one that I've known

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And I'm chasing the blue skies

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And I've been looking for a reason to drop by

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All of us on a new ride

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On each other's side

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I know it won't be all sunshine

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But when we sing our first lullaby

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We'll know that we got it right for spending the time

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So come spend it with me

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So come spend it with me

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So come spend it with me

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So come spend it with me

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So come spend it with me

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you said something a few minutes ago that i thought was really interesting and it kind of

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points to one of the things that i wanted to talk to you about surprise surprise ainsley has more

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headlines to dissect okay so have you heard of udio before no or i don't know it's either udio

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or UDIO? How's it spelled? U-D-I-O. I'm taking it as UDIO. For UDIO, that doesn't sound right.

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Anyways, I saw a headline. This is from October 29th, 2025. UDIO is an AI-powered music generation

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platform that allows users to create original songs complete with vocals and instrumentation

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from simple text prompts. UMG, the world's leader in music-based entertainment and UDIO,

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an AI-powered music creation platform, today announced industry-first strategic agreements

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under which the company settled copyright infringement litigation

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and will collaborate on an innovative new commercial music creation consumption and streaming experience.

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In addition to the compensatory legal settlement,

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the new license agreements for recorded music and publishing will provide further revenue opportunities

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for UMG artists and songwriters.

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The new platform, which will be launched in 2026, will be powered by new cutting edge generative AI technology that will be trained on authorized and licensed music.

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This new subscription service will transform the user engagement experience, creating a licensed and protected environment to customize, stream and share music responsibly on the Udio platform.

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Now, I read that as.

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Yeah, OK, now we're making it legal and agreeing that AI can be trained by our catalog.

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when just a couple months ago we had a bunch of labels all up in arms it's it's a step what we

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had a couple months ago we had a bunch of labels all up in arms about like we need to well some

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the labels themselves were always kind of complicit in this behavior it was really the rest of the

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music industry that was like no you shouldn't allow ai to be trained off of your artists with

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no compensation and also the artist's approval.

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But now UMG is basically saying,

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oh yeah, yeah, I can be trained off of our artists.

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Like making that decision on behalf of all the artists

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instead of allowing each artist.

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And this is where it gets hard

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because then it just comes down to who's the master recording,

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royalty, owner, and yeah.

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What do you think about that?

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Because you said a couple minutes ago,

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I can give all of my 10 songs to, you know, an AI thing

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and tell it make me a song in the style of Catherine make me a song in the style of Ainsley

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Costello like what it's it's crazy to me that sounds like a step in in a test because step in

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which direction a step in AI taking over music ish and that sounds like very robot takeover but

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work with me yeah i'm here i think the test is if you can do it with these artists in this

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controlled environment and see how it goes and quote unquote with authorization and licensing

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in in that space i want to see what that authory authorization and licensing looks like

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because as you were saying you're just kind of volunteering your artists for this and not really

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telling them that's crazy also haha faults for 360 deal you signed it you you allowed us to do

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whatever the fuck we want with this music like there's an interesting i don't know because it

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seems counterintuitive like why why would you introduce your money makers essentially to the

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next girl like what that's like introducing your girlfriend to someone and you know that you're

409
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gonna date that girl and you're gonna dump the girlfriend that night like that's you know what

410
00:38:49,298 --> 00:38:55,258
i mean because it's counterintuitive you're making a lot of money off of these artists that are doing

411
00:38:55,258 --> 00:39:04,778
well already you have them in 360 deals so then why why are you going to introduce their catalog

412
00:39:04,778 --> 00:39:12,858
to ai so that ai can essentially replace them yeah but you're already making money off of them

413
00:39:12,858 --> 00:39:18,998
so what does that benefit you that's a really good point play it off to well it benefits the

414
00:39:18,998 --> 00:39:26,718
artists it benefits the consumer how because my question about this is so if this is a user

415
00:39:26,718 --> 00:39:33,898
generated like okay we're allowing our artists to train this thing for users to then go and say

416
00:39:33,898 --> 00:39:40,138
I don't want to listen to these artists I want AI to make me a song based off of what I'm feeling

417
00:39:40,138 --> 00:39:47,538
to me I kind of feel like this takes out the fun part of discovering music like going through

418
00:39:47,538 --> 00:39:52,278
playlists and playlists is like searching for songs of like oh this describes how I'm feeling

419
00:39:52,278 --> 00:39:56,238
in this moment or this describes how I was feeling about this you know two years ago but I never found

420
00:39:56,238 --> 00:40:01,518
a song that really articulated it now like you're kind of taking out like the resistance but like

421
00:40:01,518 --> 00:40:07,318
the resistance is fun a little bit about like I mean yes but honestly for the person who doesn't

422
00:40:07,878 --> 00:40:16,238
like think about the guy that's in finance doesn't listen to music yeah wants this specific

423
00:40:16,238 --> 00:40:20,258
type of music and wants it right now doesn't want to have to search for it doesn't want to have to

424
00:40:20,258 --> 00:40:27,158
go through the playlist yeah for him this might be a good option because he can go into this app

425
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:34,318
and say give me a playlist of songs for x amount of time with x amount of voice with x amount of

426
00:40:34,318 --> 00:40:45,758
bass yeah and it'll just play it but it just speaks to like the fast culture of i want it now

427
00:40:45,758 --> 00:40:53,678
Yeah. Capitalism. Consumerism. I mean, because as soon as as soon as somebody can do that, that puts all artists out of business.

428
00:40:53,979 --> 00:40:59,518
Yeah, literally. As soon as somebody can go into their phone and say, hey, make this, this, this, this, this, this and this.

429
00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:11,919
Cool. Yeah. Like, I mean, on the other hand, though, everybody seems to agree that, you know, it's concerning that AI has the capability to do this.

430
00:41:11,919 --> 00:41:15,758
But does AI have the capability to actually create good music?

431
00:41:15,959 --> 00:41:17,078
We have not seen that yet.

432
00:41:17,979 --> 00:41:20,578
But I mean, AI.

433
00:41:21,498 --> 00:41:22,898
Like quality wise.

434
00:41:23,158 --> 00:41:25,598
We started, it can't do it yet.

435
00:41:25,858 --> 00:41:27,198
Yet, yet, keyword yet.

436
00:41:27,298 --> 00:41:28,178
It can't do it yet.

437
00:41:28,258 --> 00:41:29,878
And here's another thing that's kind of interesting.

438
00:41:29,998 --> 00:41:33,398
And I don't remember if I talked about this on one of the past episodes.

439
00:41:33,498 --> 00:41:36,318
So if I have, forgive me, but you're going to hear it again if I have.

440
00:41:36,738 --> 00:41:39,919
I had a co-writer a couple months ago who I wrote.

441
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:42,384
wrote a bunch of songs with when I first moved to Nashville,

442
00:41:42,904 --> 00:41:45,224
not ever songs that I put out.

443
00:41:45,324 --> 00:41:45,524
I mean,

444
00:41:45,524 --> 00:41:47,084
they were good songs that I,

445
00:41:47,244 --> 00:41:47,584
you know,

446
00:41:47,624 --> 00:41:48,504
had written in that,

447
00:41:48,624 --> 00:41:48,804
you know,

448
00:41:48,884 --> 00:41:49,704
period of my life.

449
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:50,784
And they helped me kind of,

450
00:41:50,784 --> 00:41:51,044
you know,

451
00:41:51,384 --> 00:41:52,324
come into the songwriter.

452
00:41:52,444 --> 00:41:52,804
I am today.

453
00:41:53,044 --> 00:41:53,184
Yada,

454
00:41:53,224 --> 00:41:53,344
yada,

455
00:41:53,404 --> 00:41:53,544
yada,

456
00:41:53,684 --> 00:41:55,364
always have to preface it and be diplomatic,

457
00:41:55,604 --> 00:41:55,804
whatever.

458
00:41:56,024 --> 00:41:56,344
Yes.

459
00:41:56,484 --> 00:41:56,844
Um,

460
00:41:58,804 --> 00:41:59,504
a couple months ago,

461
00:41:59,504 --> 00:42:00,904
my hand signal of Ainsley,

462
00:42:01,044 --> 00:42:01,324
come on.

463
00:42:03,504 --> 00:42:03,664
Yeah.

464
00:42:03,664 --> 00:42:05,084
Which Katie's always being like,

465
00:42:05,144 --> 00:42:05,384
Ainsley,

466
00:42:05,484 --> 00:42:06,084
drop the act.

467
00:42:06,184 --> 00:42:07,124
Just say how you feel.

468
00:42:07,124 --> 00:42:11,304
Not even the first time she's done that as we've been talking today.

469
00:42:12,204 --> 00:42:17,344
No, yeah. You guys just don't see that. I can't wait for us to start videoing these

470
00:42:17,344 --> 00:42:22,824
because you'll just start to see how we communicate off the mic as well.

471
00:42:23,744 --> 00:42:30,064
My internal panic and Katie being like moving along. No. I had a co-writer send me not one,

472
00:42:30,064 --> 00:42:38,864
not two but five ai demos of songs that we wrote about five years ago and i will give the ai this

473
00:42:38,864 --> 00:42:47,444
credit it's gotten a lot closer like the ai girl who was singing like normal scary like you wouldn't

474
00:42:47,444 --> 00:42:55,204
wouldn't be able to tell but it's like what's the point it's not like and also this is another

475
00:42:55,204 --> 00:43:02,484
thing about the idea of like okay yeah does ai have the the capability to like put out like a

476
00:43:02,484 --> 00:43:10,624
quality recording maybe maybe when it when you ask ai or chat gpt to write a song we did this a

477
00:43:10,624 --> 00:43:15,444
couple years ago when cherry on top was originally having its moment in this space we asked chat gpt

478
00:43:15,444 --> 00:43:18,584
because that was right around the time that it was becoming a thing that people knew about we said

479
00:43:18,584 --> 00:43:22,624
write a song called cherry on top and it wrote three songs called cherry on top and they were all

480
00:43:22,624 --> 00:43:29,864
bad. So in that sense, I still have some semblance of like feeling safe as an artist that, you know,

481
00:43:29,944 --> 00:43:36,544
robots aren't taking it over yet, but in other ways, like that's taking work away from demo

482
00:43:36,544 --> 00:43:42,184
singers who could have done those five work tapes that I got sent or session musicians or whatnot.

483
00:43:42,184 --> 00:43:46,984
And it's like, what's the point? I mean, I get it. It's convenient. Not every artist,

484
00:43:47,424 --> 00:43:51,584
especially touring artists and artists who are on the road and everybody wants something from them.

485
00:43:51,584 --> 00:43:57,384
They don't have time to go and, you know, write a perfectly tailored song for, you know,

486
00:43:57,464 --> 00:43:59,304
mom and dad's 40th wedding anniversary.

487
00:43:59,684 --> 00:44:00,564
AI is great for that.

488
00:44:00,844 --> 00:44:05,384
Like, and, you know, some Midwestern couple who's celebrating their 35th wedding anniversary

489
00:44:05,384 --> 00:44:06,544
is going to be tickled by that.

490
00:44:06,604 --> 00:44:08,784
They're going to be like, oh, I got written a song.

491
00:44:08,864 --> 00:44:10,924
I don't care who, what made it.

492
00:44:11,124 --> 00:44:13,924
But it's just, it's just weird.

493
00:44:14,044 --> 00:44:20,084
So I just read that as like, okay, we're fine with AI, you know, taking advantage of our

494
00:44:20,084 --> 00:44:26,644
artists of our artists as long as we say yes to it as long as it's in our control yeah I mean

495
00:44:26,644 --> 00:44:35,464
I think there is definitely uses for like AI music but I mean and I think this is what everybody is

496
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:44,284
arguing for with AI in all spaces there just needs to be regulation yeah like if AI could be used for

497
00:44:44,284 --> 00:44:56,624
demos and radio ads and commercials and that's the only thing that ai music can be used for

498
00:44:56,624 --> 00:45:05,404
cool it wipes out x amount of industries instead of wiping out the entire industry yeah and that's

499
00:45:05,404 --> 00:45:10,104
a very nihilistic approach to it but at the same time we have to concede something yeah because

500
00:45:10,104 --> 00:45:16,284
it's already here but that doesn't mean that we need to concede everything yeah so i mean that

501
00:45:16,284 --> 00:45:21,624
would be my argument to it it's like it's already here what are you gonna do you need to put some

502
00:45:21,624 --> 00:45:26,664
sort of regulation on it but you can't just take it away fully because it's gonna be used

503
00:45:26,664 --> 00:45:34,724
so can't control it can't control it but okay something on this like a little bit lighter ai

504
00:45:34,724 --> 00:45:44,624
like and kind of in that topic ai now is being used for so many things for like homework yeah essays

505
00:45:44,624 --> 00:45:54,204
um test social write me a social caption like everything and i've been seeing an influx of

506
00:45:54,204 --> 00:45:59,284
all these videos of like people our age or a little bit older of like things that happened

507
00:45:59,284 --> 00:46:03,384
to me in middle school or things that i had to do in middle school that we would send middle

508
00:46:03,384 --> 00:46:09,524
schoolers into a spiral yeah and it was like what would send a victorian child into a coma

509
00:46:09,524 --> 00:46:18,524
literally like i'm like guys you don't understand we wrote essays hand wrote uh-huh five paragraph

510
00:46:18,524 --> 00:46:27,364
essays yeah first draft revised draft and final draft like there were three drafts of this hand

511
00:46:27,364 --> 00:46:31,904
written introduction main point number one main point number two you know about a hamburger

512
00:46:31,904 --> 00:46:40,284
paragraph like come on yeah come on to get the ball rolling to get what do you know about

513
00:46:40,284 --> 00:46:46,584
additionally the gears turning come on give me those uh introductory uh in conclusion

514
00:46:46,584 --> 00:46:54,384
transitional sentences that we had yeah therefore big words additionally like there's

515
00:46:54,384 --> 00:47:00,704
little things like that or um like you would have to wrap did you ever have to do this where

516
00:47:00,704 --> 00:47:06,724
you had to wrap your textbook in a brown paper bag? I didn't have to do it myself, but I did have

517
00:47:06,724 --> 00:47:12,204
textbooks like that that were just given to me like that. Yes. I mean, we had to have book covers

518
00:47:12,204 --> 00:47:16,004
and you would get written up if you didn't have a book cover. And that meant like,

519
00:47:16,384 --> 00:47:20,844
what would have to have a book cover? I mean, cause you were returning the textbook so that

520
00:47:20,844 --> 00:47:27,624
the next year, the next year could use it because if the textbook, okay. I grew up in a very like

521
00:47:27,624 --> 00:47:31,864
small town vermont yeah because i don't know if i ever understood this is also kind of like

522
00:47:31,864 --> 00:47:39,124
this wide range like you're getting that textbook for that year that textbook has been used for

523
00:47:39,124 --> 00:47:43,064
five years in front of you and will be used for five years behind you so

524
00:47:43,064 --> 00:47:50,064
if you damage it you're paying for it oh yeah and those books aren't cheap those books aren't cheap

525
00:47:50,064 --> 00:47:56,644
that was like a 400 book for seventh grade yeah your mom my mom would have had a cow

526
00:47:56,644 --> 00:48:06,064
if she was like you did what and we have to pay for it yeah so you had to have a bat like a either

527
00:48:06,064 --> 00:48:11,964
a brown bag some people would go crazy and find different paper bags that were different colors

528
00:48:11,964 --> 00:48:18,304
and you could have your own thing and then I remember at the school scholastic it was a big

529
00:48:18,304 --> 00:48:24,304
thing when they came out with book covers like fair the book fair like you would they came out

530
00:48:24,304 --> 00:48:29,904
with book covers for textbooks and everybody went crazy because we were like oh my gosh we're gonna

531
00:48:29,904 --> 00:48:36,404
have a cheetah print book cover now instead of the brown paper bag yeah guys you have chromebooks

532
00:48:36,404 --> 00:48:42,584
and ipads now and you're turning things in on canvas do you know what a scantron is what do

533
00:48:42,584 --> 00:48:46,744
you know about a scantron i don't know about a scantron you don't i don't know about a scantron

534
00:48:46,744 --> 00:48:53,984
what did i miss out on hold up is it like the active boards or the smart boards

535
00:48:53,984 --> 00:49:01,164
okay okay so disappointed in me okay so when you know when you want alpha generation

536
00:49:01,164 --> 00:49:05,084
you're not that much younger than me you're not that much younger than me

537
00:49:05,084 --> 00:49:08,984
we would have been in the same in the same three years of middle school together yeah so

538
00:49:08,984 --> 00:49:17,864
so when you had a multiple choice like test well if you had a multiple choice question test

539
00:49:17,864 --> 00:49:24,924
were you circling them on or were you bubbling something next to it it would depend on the test

540
00:49:24,924 --> 00:49:28,784
requirements okay okay but the bubbles the when you're filling in the bubbles yeah that's a scantron

541
00:49:28,784 --> 00:49:33,124
oh like it has to be fully filled in with no white space yes and there was always the like

542
00:49:33,124 --> 00:49:37,844
this is the way you should fill it in this is the way you shouldn't fill it yes and it was the abcd

543
00:49:37,844 --> 00:49:42,224
yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a scantron that's so weird that you guys called it that like we didn't

544
00:49:42,224 --> 00:49:48,724
even have a name for it the scan that's what the machine is oh i see so like that's what a scantron

545
00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:54,804
y'all down in vermont well and that was also arizona a little bit like scantrons like but

546
00:49:54,804 --> 00:49:59,124
people don't even know what is like they don't have those anymore that's not a thing

547
00:49:59,124 --> 00:50:04,024
that for standardized testing they don't get a bubbled scantron next to them

548
00:50:04,024 --> 00:50:10,984
crazy what can i can i i will tell you one thing that like would make me really upset if i was a

549
00:50:10,984 --> 00:50:15,144
student today because I have seen a lot I mean I'm sure you've seen them too like the videos of

550
00:50:15,144 --> 00:50:20,004
these kids who are turning in their essays and you know preemptively college professors and I get it

551
00:50:20,004 --> 00:50:25,084
like I would the m dash thing like college professors are like how do you be a teacher

552
00:50:25,084 --> 00:50:30,764
today that's a whole conversation we could get into but if somebody came after my Oxford commas

553
00:50:30,764 --> 00:50:35,044
I've seen that like professors have started taking issue with Oxford commas the same way they've

554
00:50:35,044 --> 00:50:42,304
taken issue with the em dashes now excuse me i have been an oxford comma sympathizer since i was

555
00:50:42,304 --> 00:50:48,004
11 years old i will use my oxford comma until the day i die now you're telling me that i'm gonna fail

556
00:50:48,004 --> 00:50:53,704
if i was in college today i would fail an essay if i use an oxford comma i fear i'm also just the

557
00:50:53,704 --> 00:51:00,044
wrong bitch to come at for an essay like if you're gonna i'm sorry but if you're gonna come at me for

558
00:51:00,044 --> 00:51:05,344
an AI writing my essay, I will re give me a topic and I will hand write you an essay right now,

559
00:51:05,424 --> 00:51:11,564
literally with the same dashes, with the same commas. And you can watch me do it. You also,

560
00:51:11,564 --> 00:51:24,182
we forget that AI is trained off of humans first Like I saw somebody made a video of this the other day that made me laugh like guys I fear this book was written by AI and it was Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte or one

561
00:51:24,182 --> 00:51:28,622
of the Bronte sisters because there's an m-dash in there like what well I'm sure that was a meme

562
00:51:28,622 --> 00:51:34,082
yeah no I know it absolutely was but it's like thank you this is my kind of humor yeah yeah I

563
00:51:34,082 --> 00:51:41,542
mean there's a lot that I think AI just in and of itself like and I love going down the conspiracy

564
00:51:41,542 --> 00:51:47,502
see rabbit holes like we know me like i think it's so funny something that i thought of that

565
00:51:47,502 --> 00:51:56,662
i was gonna be like just a little me thought yeah but what if ai has just always been or okay what

566
00:51:56,662 --> 00:52:04,262
if the advancement of ai is coming to head with aliens about or like weird things happening and

567
00:52:04,262 --> 00:52:09,722
everybody's writing off these videos as oh well that's definitely ai or like there's a lot of

568
00:52:09,722 --> 00:52:16,582
things now that could be happening that now are quote-unquote easily written off as ai and that's

569
00:52:16,582 --> 00:52:21,062
as far as i'll go into the like conspiracy i haven't thought about that that's gonna give me

570
00:52:21,062 --> 00:52:24,942
an existential crisis because now if you think about it if something were to come out like

571
00:52:24,942 --> 00:52:31,762
say somebody had a sex tape come out that's ai that's defamation blah blah blah blah you can

572
00:52:31,762 --> 00:52:39,162
sue them yeah but what if the video is actually real but now you can say it's ai and blah blah

573
00:52:39,162 --> 00:52:43,322
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and people will believe it because ai has advanced that far

574
00:52:43,322 --> 00:52:53,022
yeah what if all the pictures from the epstein files somebody can then go in and say oh my gosh

575
00:52:53,022 --> 00:52:59,722
that's all ai blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah i don't know but that's where

576
00:52:59,722 --> 00:53:05,022
my head is going posed i'm sure somebody's already claimed that only that's the only little

577
00:53:05,022 --> 00:53:10,702
conspiracy bit I'll get but also if an FBI I didn't say that what do you mean I'm just a girl

578
00:53:10,702 --> 00:53:14,662
I am just also if you're hiring though I am looking for a job

579
00:53:14,662 --> 00:53:23,082
I'll come on the deep fake team if you're hiring let me know I'm in the market

580
00:53:35,022 --> 00:54:02,702
I believe that the reason for your sadness is

581
00:54:02,702 --> 00:54:04,262
Goes by

582
00:54:04,262 --> 00:54:06,482
An abundance of pity

583
00:54:06,482 --> 00:54:08,862
That we gave you

584
00:54:08,862 --> 00:54:11,242
To make you feel the madness

585
00:54:11,242 --> 00:54:13,742
Of this quiet show

586
00:54:13,742 --> 00:54:15,922
Of the thoughts that get you sitting

587
00:54:15,922 --> 00:54:18,522
On your bed thinking why

588
00:54:18,522 --> 00:54:20,822
In your mind you start to die

589
00:54:20,822 --> 00:54:23,322
But please don't give in

590
00:54:23,322 --> 00:54:25,642
Thoughts so deep it makes me spin

591
00:54:25,642 --> 00:54:28,042
Cause I want you to see

592
00:54:28,042 --> 00:54:30,362
Everything we could be

593
00:54:30,362 --> 00:54:32,942
But don't try to make a sound

594
00:54:32,942 --> 00:54:35,382
Cause it's too late to be found

595
00:54:35,382 --> 00:54:50,082
So now we're faced with the problems of our past lives

596
00:54:50,082 --> 00:54:55,102
And a hidden waste of the feelings in her empty eyes

597
00:54:55,102 --> 00:54:59,642
So don't you make me put you in the past lives

598
00:54:59,642 --> 00:55:02,022
That we couldn't stand

599
00:55:02,022 --> 00:55:06,282
To even find a reason why

600
00:55:06,282 --> 00:55:16,502
On your bed thinking why

601
00:55:16,502 --> 00:55:18,942
In your mind your voice is dying

602
00:55:18,942 --> 00:55:21,362
So don't try to pull me in

603
00:55:21,362 --> 00:55:23,542
Cause it's nothing more than sin

604
00:55:23,542 --> 00:55:26,202
And I want you to see

605
00:55:26,202 --> 00:55:28,642
Everything that we can be

606
00:55:28,642 --> 00:55:30,882
But don't try to make a sound

607
00:55:30,882 --> 00:55:33,362
Cause it's too late to be found

608
00:55:58,642 --> 00:56:19,622
Well, on the topic of Australia,

609
00:56:19,862 --> 00:56:21,982
social media for kids under 16.

610
00:56:21,982 --> 00:56:24,202
On the topic of AI and the dangers of it.

611
00:56:25,402 --> 00:56:28,442
So, I mean, we had this topic written down a couple weeks ago

612
00:56:28,442 --> 00:56:33,022
for one of the last episodes that we didn't get to about how Australia is banning social media for

613
00:56:33,022 --> 00:56:38,582
kids under 16. I'd love to chat about this for a minute before we get into I think how this can tie

614
00:56:38,582 --> 00:56:45,102
into the Noster conversation and like some of my like bit fest takeaways. Is Farrah eating your hand?

615
00:56:45,182 --> 00:56:52,442
She is. I just look over and she's just like munching. She's having a fun time. Munch munch.

616
00:56:52,442 --> 00:56:57,862
I'm letting her. I'm her sibling and her mom. Yes. So I let her. Parasocial relationship. Yeah.

617
00:56:58,442 --> 00:57:07,402
but so my thing with Australia banning social media for kids under 16 I think it's a good thing

618
00:57:07,402 --> 00:57:13,502
however if I was a kid under 16 in Australia right now I'd be pissed I'd be I'd be upset

619
00:57:13,502 --> 00:57:20,662
because like as somebody who's been on Instagram since I was in fourth grade like it's it's wild

620
00:57:20,662 --> 00:57:24,582
to look back and I think we've had this conversation before about like looking back at you know

621
00:57:24,582 --> 00:57:29,882
Instagram accounts you followed since 2014 and it's like what do you mean I was on Instagram

622
00:57:29,882 --> 00:57:37,662
before I knew like the difference between the Democrat and the Republican party like huh I think

623
00:57:37,662 --> 00:57:45,402
it's a good thing um because I think so many of our societal issues today stem from social media

624
00:57:45,402 --> 00:57:53,362
everything being fake nothing being real and the comparison game that has just completely been

625
00:57:53,362 --> 00:58:02,402
blowed out of the water blowed out of proportion um what are your thoughts i think it's interesting

626
00:58:02,402 --> 00:58:12,522
that now we have decided to put a ban on under 16 like in my opinion it won't work now because

627
00:58:12,522 --> 00:58:18,962
you've already allowed all of the people that are like 17 18 19 like they're gonna look at the 16

628
00:58:18,962 --> 00:58:25,562
year old and be like haha we had it you didn't yeah it's the i mean if we're gonna compare social

629
00:58:25,562 --> 00:58:34,362
media to drugs because it has it is a drug yeah it's a hit like so if you're going to essentially

630
00:58:34,362 --> 00:58:43,642
cut off somebody cold turkey and they're 16 or they're 13 14 whatever they have a few years to

631
00:58:43,642 --> 00:58:48,342
get to social media they're gonna find something else to do or they're gonna find a different black

632
00:58:48,342 --> 00:58:52,502
market way to get on there or they're going to create fake profiles yeah and how are they going

633
00:58:52,502 --> 00:58:59,122
to police like you know a fake account that's made that says oh I'm 17 and not 16 or right like I think

634
00:58:59,122 --> 00:59:06,282
if you were to make a ban like that it would have to be like okay we're banning social media use for

635
00:59:06,282 --> 00:59:16,681
everybody under the age of 16 starting in year blank and it could be three years down the road

636
00:59:16,681 --> 00:59:22,422
four years down the road but say this is what we're going to do so that it also gives the parents

637
00:59:22,422 --> 00:59:27,822
time to say okay you're young you're not going to get social media because when you turn because

638
00:59:27,822 --> 00:59:33,662
it's literally you're not going to be able to yeah like but it gives somebody else time to prepare

639
00:59:33,662 --> 00:59:38,902
and like make sure that the system works because I think this also just got launched

640
00:59:38,902 --> 00:59:45,702
I'm not saying that it's a bad thing yeah I'm only knocking on it because I think that when

641
00:59:45,702 --> 00:59:50,202
you want to do something you're gonna find a way to do it yeah absolutely and especially with social

642
00:59:50,202 --> 00:59:58,202
media and teenagers yeah yeah like you know when you in the 80s when i mean i say as if i was there

643
00:59:58,202 --> 01:00:06,642
i wasn't there but you know in in the olden days oh no my dad's gonna be like the olden days

644
01:00:06,642 --> 01:00:13,782
the olden days i'm gonna get called out for that one in the 1900s

645
01:00:13,782 --> 01:00:22,702
in the olden days when you know parents didn't want kids to like do things in the 80s even if

646
01:00:22,702 --> 01:00:28,622
we didn't have social media back then like kids still went and found a way to do it right like

647
01:00:28,622 --> 01:00:37,662
there's there's so much power to touching grass yeah okay like breathe some air sunlight get some

648
01:00:37,662 --> 01:00:43,762
vitamin d vitamin d like there is there's power in going outside and being off your phone and

649
01:00:43,762 --> 01:00:46,122
and yada, yada, yada, yada, yada.

650
01:00:46,122 --> 01:00:49,322
I think because we were raised in a generation that had both,

651
01:00:49,322 --> 01:00:51,202
we understand that.

652
01:00:51,202 --> 01:01:04,799
But it unfair to ask a generation that never known any differently That was never raised with both to go okay now you can yeah and for your own good trust us yeah like it hard for them to also see the

653
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:09,079
logic because as much as you want to say well they can't understand their kids yada yada yada

654
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:15,419
i would argue that because of social media a lot of these kids are faced with so many different

655
01:01:15,419 --> 01:01:21,199
topics from such a young age that they have matured at a way more rapid rate yeah and in

656
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:26,079
some ways like in in some ways more than others I mean kids are going to be kids and that's a

657
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:32,739
different thing yeah but like I mean I'm having full-on conversations about political ideologies

658
01:01:32,739 --> 01:01:40,959
with somebody that's 17 or 18 years old yeah or I mean even younger like you're looking at

659
01:01:40,959 --> 01:01:49,699
I'm having very high intentional emotional intelligence conversations with my 13 year old

660
01:01:49,699 --> 01:01:57,819
cousin yeah and I'm like I how do you know all of this yeah how is this getting into your

661
01:01:57,819 --> 01:02:06,059
subconscious like how do you know these words and and it's on one hand it's great that you know

662
01:02:06,059 --> 01:02:11,499
kids are so informed and we're more informed than we ever were but I think there is also something

663
01:02:11,499 --> 01:02:21,459
to not censorship because that's bad of course but what I think like I remember when we were young

664
01:02:21,459 --> 01:02:26,899
and like seeing school shootings happen like already that's a hard thing to kind of comprehend

665
01:02:26,899 --> 01:02:30,959
even if you don't like if you're just watching that on nightly news and you don't see super

666
01:02:30,959 --> 01:02:36,559
graphic things from it but today if you're a 13 year old and you're seeing what's happening in

667
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:42,599
Palestine or Congo or anywhere else in the world where bad things are happening and you're

668
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:48,359
actively seeing really graphic stuff like on one hand it's great that we're informed but also

669
01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:56,279
we should just let be kids be kids and give them the option to not have to or want to worry about

670
01:02:56,279 --> 01:03:03,159
those kinds of things right because there's only so much that you can like and I talked about this

671
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:08,519
therapy like a couple years ago when um you know the whole thing with Palestine really started

672
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:14,159
getting bad I was like I I want to be informed but also the more I think about this the worse my

673
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:17,519
mental health gets and I know that that's a very privileged thing to say because there are people

674
01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:21,879
who live in those places in the world that don't get to just turn this off and I'm very aware of

675
01:03:21,879 --> 01:03:32,039
that but that could also I it could also stunt you know that kind of growth the same way the

676
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:38,879
comparison social media thing stunted our generation's growth like being I think I don't

677
01:03:38,879 --> 01:03:45,159
know if being too informed is possible or if being too informed is a bad thing but I think there is

678
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:50,799
something to be said about like you're seeing these really hard graphic things really early like

679
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:57,419
you know at some point like we need to let kids just be kids I don't know yeah I would agree and

680
01:03:57,419 --> 01:04:05,639
you or I could look at whatever account is posting that and go oh that's being posted by Fox yeah

681
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:13,499
scroll past it yeah or oh that's being posted by ABC I know what bias that's going to lean towards

682
01:04:13,499 --> 01:04:22,379
a 10 year old is going to see oh my gosh that's what's happening and this is the news yeah that's

683
01:04:22,379 --> 01:04:30,259
all they're gonna know yeah so there's also the piece of propaganda and bias and who what

684
01:04:30,259 --> 01:04:36,779
information are you getting from who and how and somebody you can't ask a 10 year old to do that

685
01:04:36,779 --> 01:04:43,099
no and like when I was younger because I remember like we watched nightly news on NBC every single

686
01:04:43,099 --> 01:04:47,619
night I remember thinking like oh the only bad things that happen in the world are the things

687
01:04:47,619 --> 01:04:51,579
that are on the news each night which like it's heartbreaking when you find out that that's not

688
01:04:51,579 --> 01:04:55,659
the case but I don't know if this next generation is going to have that because they're seeing

689
01:04:55,659 --> 01:04:59,499
all these bad things that aren't on the news every night that aren't getting widely reported on and

690
01:04:59,499 --> 01:05:05,419
it's like like we think that our people think that Gen Z is sad that like all of our you know

691
01:05:05,419 --> 01:05:11,179
hormones and things brain chemicals are messed up like it'll be really interesting to see what's

692
01:05:11,179 --> 01:05:17,059
this next generation that took it a step farther like what their repercussions are in the next

693
01:05:17,059 --> 01:05:26,179
10 15 years and and i've and i've said it too and i always go back to i mean

694
01:05:26,179 --> 01:05:32,919
the millennials said oh no watch out for gen z they have all the technology they're gonna be weird

695
01:05:32,919 --> 01:05:39,239
and then because we had the balance it turned out fine and now we're saying to the generation below

696
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:43,499
us like ah they're gonna turn out weird because they had all the technology blah blah blah blah

697
01:05:43,499 --> 01:05:51,139
blah and while that may be the case human beings are the best creature at adapting yeah and our

698
01:05:51,139 --> 01:05:58,579
brains can hold so much information and we are the true nature of survival of the fittest so

699
01:05:58,579 --> 01:06:05,599
there's also a part of me that's like at the end of the day if this is what you only know

700
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:12,559
is it the worst thing because you have another you you have no other lived experience

701
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:21,279
and is it the worst thing that maybe it's now becoming more like I don't know like I we we

702
01:06:21,279 --> 01:06:27,259
love to sit here and chat and gab about our thoughts and things and like this is the one

703
01:06:27,259 --> 01:06:33,079
where like I want to think that I know because like we sit here and we're like yeah we've now

704
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:39,399
lived it but at the same time I love putting in in the context of like talking to my grandma

705
01:06:39,399 --> 01:06:43,059
or talking to somebody that's like way older than me.

706
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:43,299
Yeah.

707
01:06:43,399 --> 01:06:46,499
Because then they'll say the same thing about cell phones,

708
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:48,739
about a calculator, a calculator.

709
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:50,839
My grandma won't use a calculator.

710
01:06:51,739 --> 01:06:52,579
That's hardcore.

711
01:06:53,319 --> 01:06:56,159
Like there's certain things that like-

712
01:06:56,159 --> 01:06:58,459
Take me off social media, I draw the line at a calculator.

713
01:06:58,459 --> 01:06:59,019
Right.

714
01:06:59,319 --> 01:07:01,559
Like it's, no, but she's on Facebook.

715
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:03,379
No, yeah.

716
01:07:03,939 --> 01:07:04,539
Psychotomy.

717
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:05,579
Yeah, yeah.

718
01:07:05,579 --> 01:07:13,819
there's little things about like or the brick phone or the the landline like

719
01:07:13,819 --> 01:07:22,339
we've come so far in technology that it's hard for either one of us to just be like

720
01:07:22,339 --> 01:07:30,219
or to can or to like compare pandemic experiences with our parent or with our great parent great

721
01:07:30,219 --> 01:07:34,919
with our grandparents and great grandparents because like yeah sure our parents lived through

722
01:07:34,919 --> 01:07:39,099
this but they didn't live through it at like the critical time in their development that we did

723
01:07:39,099 --> 01:07:44,259
our great-grandparents did and so like it's interesting to see of like well we had cell

724
01:07:44,259 --> 01:07:51,399
phones we still had ways to connect when like you know a hundred years ago you know thought the whole

725
01:07:51,399 --> 01:07:58,539
block died right it's crazy to see how history repeats itself like we're probably going to be

726
01:07:58,539 --> 01:08:04,559
having another pandemic conversation with our great great grandkids well and with the ice caps

727
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:13,719
melting and yada yada yada diseases are defrosting um yeah there goes the ball there goes the ball

728
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:21,939
but i think there's a like this could also play into the nostril conversation in this sense that

729
01:08:21,939 --> 01:08:30,019
we believe in nostril we see the vision we it's it's great that it's censorship resistant but this

730
01:08:30,019 --> 01:08:37,419
goes back to my whole thing about I still am not at a place with Noster where I feel comfortable

731
01:08:37,419 --> 01:08:45,919
urging young young female like eight nine ten like already I feel like that's a little young

732
01:08:45,919 --> 01:08:50,579
but like you know those kids are on TikTok those kids are on Instagram I don't feel comfortable

733
01:08:50,579 --> 01:08:56,819
asking the parents of those children to say oh yeah let your kid come over here because I mean

734
01:08:56,819 --> 01:09:02,679
it's getting better like we have more mainstream people who are coming to Nostra like you like um

735
01:09:02,679 --> 01:09:06,839
you know Suzanne Santo like we have more people who are coming to it and who are trying to make it

736
01:09:06,839 --> 01:09:14,159
um less of like you know a fringe incel place than like it started out being um but you know

737
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:19,159
like we're still at a point where you can get on Nostra and you know you're scrolling and scrolling

738
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:23,659
and then you see a repost of a repost of a repost of someone you don't even follow and it's like

739
01:09:23,659 --> 01:09:30,479
or you get on yeah you know zap stream and then this block next to it is like porn it's like we're

740
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:36,859
it's not there yet we see the vision it's like I don't know when we were in um in Manchester for

741
01:09:36,859 --> 01:09:42,719
Bitfest there was a panel of like okay so what's not working with Noster and I think it was a good

742
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:48,719
conversation to have but I think it's important to remember as excited as we all are about this space

743
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:55,079
we have kind of reached a plateau a little bit and there are still a lot of things that don't

744
01:09:55,079 --> 01:10:00,339
work so instead of like continuing to sing the praises of you know the vision that's great that

745
01:10:00,339 --> 01:10:07,779
there's a vision let's actually like make the vision real agreed I think there's a lot to be

746
01:10:07,779 --> 01:10:16,259
said for new technology and being the early adapters and knowing how that technology could

747
01:10:16,259 --> 01:10:23,999
and will change but but there's always the bugs and it's just the bugs phase yeah where

748
01:10:23,999 --> 01:10:40,616
i also in good heart cannot recommend a child to join the space no yeah because and i get it like i think the whole thing about nostr is that it not censored There no government control There nobody coming in and saying that you can do this you can do that

749
01:10:40,716 --> 01:10:43,896
Like, it's the freedom to do whatever you would like to do.

750
01:10:45,636 --> 01:10:48,676
In that, okay, cool.

751
01:10:48,996 --> 01:10:51,036
It's the freedom to do whatever you would like to do.

752
01:10:52,256 --> 01:10:57,496
But you have no way of making sure that your users are safe when you do that.

753
01:10:57,496 --> 01:11:05,716
so there needs to be a balance of yes you're free you can do whatever you'd like but maybe

754
01:11:05,716 --> 01:11:14,536
some sort of moderator or some sort of um some some sort of checks and balances yeah because

755
01:11:14,536 --> 01:11:20,156
until that happens i can't recommend this to a child yeah and checks and balances i don't even

756
01:11:20,156 --> 01:11:25,656
think has to be oh we have a former president that's coming on here and spewing lies we're

757
01:11:25,656 --> 01:11:29,976
going to de-platform him like I don't think it needs to be that I mean though I do kind of agree

758
01:11:29,976 --> 01:11:36,316
with that you know decision of like Twitter taking Trump off because like of course but it doesn't

759
01:11:36,316 --> 01:11:41,516
have to be that extreme over here but definitely checks and balances like when we were in BitFest

760
01:11:41,516 --> 01:11:46,916
like I had a lot of people coming up to me and it's not getting angry it's like I guess more

761
01:11:46,916 --> 01:11:52,476
frustrated about like why aren't you bringing more of your fans over here number one I've tried they

762
01:11:52,476 --> 01:11:57,276
won't come because everybody is still so ingrained in the traditional social media space. Number two,

763
01:11:57,916 --> 01:12:04,756
I can't recommend this when I and myself have, you know, weird trolls who are coming over here.

764
01:12:04,836 --> 01:12:08,296
And at the end of the day, yeah, I'm an artist and I'm glad to be the guinea pig for this space,

765
01:12:08,296 --> 01:12:14,016
but I am still a woman on a young woman on the internet who like comes over to Noster and I feel

766
01:12:14,016 --> 01:12:18,856
uncomfortable by some of the comments sometimes. And I feel uncomfortable by some of the people who

767
01:12:18,856 --> 01:12:25,516
constantly DM me or comment on things or make these innuendos. And again, that's something that

768
01:12:25,516 --> 01:12:31,716
you're never going to be able to escape with social media, but the other social media platforms

769
01:12:31,716 --> 01:12:38,216
have been able to mitigate that in some sense. And so in this, I think ties into something else.

770
01:12:38,216 --> 01:12:44,736
I was in, um, DC a couple of weeks ago and had, um, a really lovely Q and a session. And we did

771
01:12:44,736 --> 01:12:50,116
an acoustic version on Cherry on Top, which was fun, with David Tarr and Trey from Bitcoin District.

772
01:12:50,756 --> 01:12:54,236
And one of the questions that David asked me, which I was like, yes, thank God somebody asked

773
01:12:54,236 --> 01:13:00,336
this question, is like, what did the traditional music industry do well that needs to be replicated

774
01:13:00,336 --> 01:13:05,676
over here? And I was like, yes, this is such a good question. Because did the traditional

775
01:13:05,676 --> 01:13:13,756
music industry and, you know, social media realm do everything perfectly? No. Were there visions

776
01:13:13,756 --> 01:13:21,836
that they had that they, you know, didn't execute well? Sure. But the music industry really tried to,

777
01:13:22,076 --> 01:13:27,556
from the get-go, protect intellectual property rights. It really tried to protect songwriters

778
01:13:27,556 --> 01:13:32,816
and artists. Did that always end up happening? No. And the same goes with social media, like with

779
01:13:32,816 --> 01:13:38,156
the Australia thing. Are they setting out to do the right thing? Yes. Is it probably going to work

780
01:13:38,156 --> 01:13:48,016
the way that they want it to no but with Noster like we we can't just say like oh anti-establishment

781
01:13:48,016 --> 01:13:53,756
f the man like we're just gonna do our own thing over here because that's not how we're gonna get

782
01:13:53,756 --> 01:13:58,036
the masses to come over here and we want the masses to come over here unless you know the

783
01:13:58,036 --> 01:14:03,176
vibe has changed and everybody's like no I'm glad to like keep it the same people but right there

784
01:14:03,176 --> 01:14:08,136
it's just the same people on Noster right now and it's just the same artists uploading you know

785
01:14:08,136 --> 01:14:14,716
music to these new platforms and I think we can't lose sight of the goal that we want more people to

786
01:14:14,716 --> 01:14:19,876
come here so how do we it's compromise how do we meet people in the middle it's also a little bit

787
01:14:19,876 --> 01:14:26,016
harder for you as well when your demographic is a bit younger yeah for sure and you also have the

788
01:14:26,016 --> 01:14:33,816
responsibility of like making sure that they're safe as well yeah so I mean that makes sense as

789
01:14:33,816 --> 01:14:40,896
well for pulling your audience over i think pulling any audience over is just gonna be hard

790
01:14:40,896 --> 01:14:48,496
because not a lot of people hear the bitcoin name and go yay sign me up yeah you know so there's

791
01:14:48,496 --> 01:14:55,516
just always gonna be that stigma until there isn't yeah it's gonna it's gonna be like the internet

792
01:14:55,516 --> 01:15:02,016
stigma how people were like oh don't buy things online you can't do that and now you know you know

793
01:15:02,016 --> 01:15:09,736
27 new body suits just showed up on my doorstep from amazon right like there's or people were

794
01:15:09,736 --> 01:15:17,296
using tiktok shop and now people use it for so many different things like there's it's cool

795
01:15:17,296 --> 01:15:25,116
it's not cool not cool not cool until it is yeah and it's just waiting for that tipping point

796
01:15:25,116 --> 01:15:35,216
and I think as soon as that tipping point happens there will be some more monitored things

797
01:15:35,216 --> 01:15:41,096
because when you have that big of an influx of people you have to have some way of monitoring

798
01:15:41,096 --> 01:15:46,716
that and somebody's got to know that I can't be the only one that says that for sure like you know

799
01:15:46,716 --> 01:15:54,316
so there's got to be something that happens on that end while still being able to say

800
01:15:54,316 --> 01:16:01,136
you're free to do whatever you'd like you're free to do whatever you'd like without causing others

801
01:16:01,136 --> 01:16:09,716
harm and i fear that is the general social agreement that we all sign yeah you know free

802
01:16:09,716 --> 01:16:14,456
to post whatever you want but within the parameters of like be a good human and don't be a troll don't

803
01:16:14,456 --> 01:16:27,616
be an asshole right and to the weird dms and weird people online i agree like i i don't it's

804
01:16:27,616 --> 01:16:35,516
not appreciated but at the same time like i guess thanks for calling me pretty i don't know

805
01:16:35,516 --> 01:16:43,456
no literally like i guess thanks but like don't be weird man yeah don't be weird don't be weird

806
01:16:43,456 --> 01:16:53,916
i think all in all this space has a lot of good and is going to grow yeah and i think it's about

807
01:16:53,916 --> 01:17:02,576
the right people shaping it so that it grows in a responsible way yeah and i think you're right

808
01:17:02,576 --> 01:17:04,416
Like there's always going to be the stigma until there isn't.

809
01:17:04,596 --> 01:17:09,456
And, but there's, I mean, this is another thing we wanted to talk about a couple of weeks ago, but didn't get to.

810
01:17:09,576 --> 01:17:20,376
I think we've made really good strides with the whole news about Square and how, you know, Square now accepting Bitcoin payments,

811
01:17:20,476 --> 01:17:26,956
which means that there are over like 4 million something merchants in the U.S. that have Square terminals that are now able to accept Bitcoin.

812
01:17:27,076 --> 01:17:28,196
Like that's crazy.

813
01:17:28,296 --> 01:17:28,916
That's amazing.

814
01:17:29,016 --> 01:17:30,176
That is a huge deal.

815
01:17:30,176 --> 01:17:38,556
And that's, I mean, that's something that requires people that use Bitcoin to start then advocating for it.

816
01:17:38,696 --> 01:17:38,776
Yeah.

817
01:17:38,956 --> 01:17:41,856
Asking when you see a square payment, hey, can I use Bitcoin?

818
01:17:42,216 --> 01:17:42,396
Yeah.

819
01:17:42,776 --> 01:17:51,436
Like that then puts the legwork back on us to say, okay, we've given you, we've facilitated a way for you to use Bitcoin.

820
01:17:51,716 --> 01:17:53,256
Now go and use it.

821
01:17:53,256 --> 01:18:01,876
Because if nobody uses it, it's like a show that you absolutely love that you find two years late because you wanted it to get renewed.

822
01:18:01,876 --> 01:18:04,616
But when they wanted to renew it, nobody thought it was cool.

823
01:18:04,896 --> 01:18:05,016
Yeah.

824
01:18:05,796 --> 01:18:10,496
And now you can't go back in time and renew it because all the actors are doing different things.

825
01:18:10,596 --> 01:18:10,776
Yeah.

826
01:18:11,576 --> 01:18:14,376
So you don't want to be that guy.

827
01:18:15,236 --> 01:18:16,336
Don't want to be the guy.

828
01:18:16,336 --> 01:18:22,476
And I think my big takeaways from BitFest is like there was a lot of excitement around the square thing.

829
01:18:22,476 --> 01:18:28,356
um but it was also encouraging to hear that I think there are some people in the space who are

830
01:18:28,356 --> 01:18:32,676
like not some there are there's a good amount of people who are being honest and are like

831
01:18:32,676 --> 01:18:37,376
hey that there's there is still it's important to remember that there is still a lot of things

832
01:18:37,376 --> 01:18:41,196
that aren't working the way that we want it to yet and it's important to not just say

833
01:18:41,196 --> 01:18:47,736
hooray hooray hooray look at the vision but we have to execute the vision agreed yeah agreed

834
01:18:47,736 --> 01:18:54,876
but um yeah I mean otherwise England was so cool I had a great time I got my ears pierced again I

835
01:18:54,876 --> 01:18:59,536
got I got my third I got my third lobes I know I was noticing I was like there seems to be

836
01:18:59,536 --> 01:19:04,976
something different on that ear stack thank you yeah it's uh I went um my mom and I we went and

837
01:19:04,976 --> 01:19:08,636
had lunch with the fountain boys which also we said that earlier and I was like that could have

838
01:19:08,636 --> 01:19:13,956
been um the great band name I was about to say that could have been the the k-pop demon hunters

839
01:19:13,956 --> 01:19:22,156
boy band the fountain boys i was just thinking that so nick oscar theodavidas if you guys want

840
01:19:22,156 --> 01:19:27,196
to start a band start a band called the fountain boys put it on a fountain we'll play it on the pod

841
01:19:27,196 --> 01:19:33,136
and we'll interview you about your first album and i think on the next podcast we can truly get

842
01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:40,496
into your london experience yeah and it'll be fun fest and let's do it everything and so we'll catch

843
01:19:40,496 --> 01:19:47,996
you this time next week happy 2026 it's been so fun and real thanks for listening to the snap hope

844
01:19:47,996 --> 01:19:56,516
you like our new cover art hey and if you do comment if you don't don't comment and also

845
01:19:56,516 --> 01:20:01,136
hope you guys know hope you guys like how it looks can you again on that postcard send us

846
01:20:01,136 --> 01:20:07,056
some suggestions because we haven't even figured out what it is yet yes please yeah but this has

847
01:20:07,056 --> 01:20:11,356
been The Snap with me, your host Ainsley. And me, your host Katie. And we'll catch you next time.