1 00:00:00,660 --> 00:00:02,500 Hey, are you listening? 2 00:00:02,860 --> 00:00:03,100 Good. 3 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,440 Now that we have your attention, welcome to... 4 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:06,660 Drumroll, please. 5 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,360 The Snap. 6 00:00:07,580 --> 00:00:09,240 A podcast by me, your host, Katie. 7 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,360 And me, your host, Ainsley. 8 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:14,280 Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the 9 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,740 Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space. 10 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:20,700 As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around 11 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:21,820 a broken music industry. 12 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:24,680 Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space. 13 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:26,020 And thought, why not give it a try? 14 00:00:26,020 --> 00:00:31,000 In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far. 15 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,460 How that definition is changing. 16 00:00:32,740 --> 00:00:34,120 And where the space comes in. 17 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:38,000 We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix. 18 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:43,240 We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard. 19 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:44,380 We're so glad you're here. 20 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:45,320 So let's get to it. 21 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:50,480 All right. 22 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Hello. 23 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,360 Hi. 24 00:00:53,860 --> 00:00:55,340 Guess where we are today. 25 00:00:56,020 --> 00:00:57,940 We're in my new house. 26 00:00:58,460 --> 00:01:03,880 Hashtag first of many podcast episodes to be recorded at the new place. 27 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Yay. 28 00:01:04,980 --> 00:01:05,700 It's so exciting. 29 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:06,980 We have so much room. 30 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,280 I'm sitting in a lovely pool of natural light right now. 31 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:11,460 It's wonderful. 32 00:01:12,020 --> 00:01:12,820 I'm warm. 33 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:13,420 Yeah. 34 00:01:13,420 --> 00:01:14,540 Are you warm over there? 35 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:14,900 I am. 36 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:17,580 I can always put the shade down too if it gets too hot. 37 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,540 No, I love it. 38 00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:21,640 If I can figure out how to work these shades, that's a different thing. 39 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:22,100 That's the real question. 40 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:22,500 Well, okay. 41 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:23,880 These are the easy shades. 42 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,600 It's upstairs. 43 00:01:24,820 --> 00:01:31,340 They have, it's like that you can make them half shades, which are really cool. 44 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:34,060 But there's what are half shades? 45 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:39,100 So you can put them on the lower half of the window or the top half of the window. 46 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,020 And you can kind of move them around a little bit. 47 00:01:44,460 --> 00:01:52,360 And for a girl like me who's been living in apartments with the same brand of shades, mind you, every single time. 48 00:01:52,360 --> 00:02:01,160 and I've been in different apartments for five years so these are new to me um so if you have 49 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:07,120 any suggestions on how to work the shade on how to work like half shades please let me know 50 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:14,420 and they kind of like split too like it's a weird thing I'll show you later yeah um but it's been 51 00:02:14,420 --> 00:02:21,480 good um I was in here for a little bit before I had my furniture in because it ended up going 52 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:28,540 better to buy the house with the furniture that they had in it so i acquired a bunch of furniture 53 00:02:28,540 --> 00:02:34,440 and a good amount of it i really liked so i'm gonna keep but then there was some of it that i 54 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:41,100 didn't like that was a little bit older kind of looked a little bit like it was in a hotel kind 55 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:47,720 of corporate-y and i was like okay so i'll get rid of that and then having movers come in and 56 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:56,080 paying movers an arm and a leg but it being so worth it yes it was so worth it absolutely because 57 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,820 trying to convince my friends to move all of my furniture up three flights of stairs fuck no 58 00:03:00,820 --> 00:03:07,100 are you kidding i would have i don't care if i would have scratched my fingers i know 59 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:11,900 instantly but like the thing is they're really heavy and i would not have wanted to put you 60 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:18,400 through that no like one of the great mysteries of the world to me is how people will move and like 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:25,840 there are specific piano mover companies yeah how you get a grand piano into a like a new york 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,680 townhouse one of the greatest mysteries of the world i mean my dad was talking about that he was 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:37,140 like if we ever want to put furniture on the very very top because oh like on the deck on the deck 64 00:03:37,140 --> 00:03:52,600 Yes. Well, so funny kind of sidebar. My dad is a roofer and the main thing in roofing is flat roof houses are terrible to maintain and absolutely horrible for leaks because they're never built properly. 65 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,120 Interesting. I know that information. He knows that information. I don't know that information. 66 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:06,440 I bought a flat roof house. Knowing full well. Knowing full well. And have we spent a good 67 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,680 amount of money in fixing leaks that the previous owner didn't declare? Yes. 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,540 So it's been a roller coaster and I haven't fully been able to be in here, 69 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:25,020 but we've had it for almost two months now. That is so weird to think about because how many. 70 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:27,420 I've only been in here for about two weeks. 71 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,280 Yeah. 72 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:29,880 That is weird to think about. 73 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,560 No, like we, it was, it was funny a couple of weeks ago after we were done recording 74 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,800 a certain episode, I don't remember what it was. 75 00:04:38,260 --> 00:04:40,700 Katie was like, oh, I mean, we can go and look at the new house. 76 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,780 Do you want to go and look at the new house? 77 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,420 And I was like, what kind of question is that? 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Yes. 79 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:44,780 Absolutely. 80 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:45,800 Give me some chairs. 81 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:46,880 I'll put them in the trunk. 82 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:47,580 We're going over. 83 00:04:47,660 --> 00:04:49,000 We're going to make this a productive trip. 84 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,680 And so it was, it was funny the first time coming over here to see all the mismatched 85 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:59,280 furniture the previous owner left behind like there was a murphy bed in the house at some point 86 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:04,460 and then there was very like corporate like you're right there was some kind of corporate stuff but 87 00:05:04,460 --> 00:05:10,260 then the sofa we're sitting on right now is like so warm and inviting because this was here right 88 00:05:10,260 --> 00:05:15,880 this was here yeah the sofa was here the coffee table was here i loved this coffee table i saw it 89 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:22,160 and i immediately was like low-key if nothing else comes with the house i kind of want the coffee 90 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:28,060 it's funny i saw this again this morning and i was like is this this wasn't yours before no but it 91 00:05:28,060 --> 00:05:34,760 it it really matches with your it's prior dinner it's so your vibe yeah so it's so my vibe so 92 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:41,880 essentially what we're looking at is a wooden table that is kind of like look like almost lincoln log 93 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:48,300 vibe on the bottom and then on the top is like a just a sheet of wood that's kind of split in the 94 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:53,780 middle it's it's cool okay just trust me it looks like a like a river through a ravine the split 95 00:05:53,780 --> 00:06:00,720 yeah and okay my cat loves it because she can sit underneath and she can see through the slit 96 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,300 yeah of like people sitting on the couch and she can still be like her little shy self 97 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:11,160 so when we got here and i sat my stuff down she was kind of like looking around like okay 98 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:17,300 when are we going home oh like she was not really realizing that like okay this is where we're 99 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:21,980 staying yeah and then we slept here and there was a bunch of like different stuff around and she 100 00:06:21,980 --> 00:06:27,000 could like kind of smell different things it wasn't until i got the furniture in here that 101 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,740 only happened literally like a week ago not even a week ago at this point 102 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:36,620 um that she kind of looked around and she was like 103 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:48,140 okay the stuff is here you're here there's new stuff here but you're staying here and you're 104 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:56,500 coming back here are we here and so since she's kind of adjusted to like oh wait now i can run 105 00:06:56,500 --> 00:07:04,140 around wait i can play ball and there's a lot more space for me to like get the ball she brings that 106 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:11,480 ball with her everywhere oh that's so cute it's the cutest thing like if we're if i'm down here 107 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:18,020 and i'm folding laundry or making dinner or doing something she will have her ball right next to me 108 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:21,760 and i'm throwing her ball from wherever i'm at she will bring her ball to me wherever i am 109 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:29,820 if we go upstairs or i say we because she is my shadow yeah if i go upstairs to do something she 110 00:07:29,820 --> 00:07:35,520 comes right with me and she's carrying her little ball if i go downstairs to like go take the trash 111 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:41,980 out she comes downstairs with her little ball the best thing is she's figured out this cat 112 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:49,040 she's figured out that if she stands at the top of the stairs and she has her ball and she bats it 113 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:58,480 and it goes down the stairs whoa i've created my i've created my own chase whoa this is crazy yeah 114 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:06,380 and she'll like i will wake up in the middle of the night to hear her like down the stairs oh 115 00:08:06,380 --> 00:08:14,380 that's so sweet but all of us is saying like there has been different things going on that i was not 116 00:08:14,380 --> 00:08:20,320 expecting that everybody says like when you get a home you're gonna have things that happen that 117 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:26,100 are not expected yeah you have to pay for that you're like what the fuck did that come from yeah 118 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:37,460 like what do you mean um one of the gotchas was my washer um there was a super like because this 119 00:08:37,460 --> 00:08:44,260 house is newer the washer is newer and i haven't i've only like i've been in apartments for five 120 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:52,180 years like i've only had like the really small washing machine that's they look like they're 121 00:08:52,180 --> 00:08:59,480 from the 90s it looked like they're from the 90s like not like i had to run the dryer three times 122 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,740 for it to actually dry like you know what i mean like so that's what i'm used to and then i get 123 00:09:03,740 --> 00:09:10,980 here and these like quote unquote high tech and it says low dispenser like low detergent for the 124 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:16,460 dispenser and i was like what do you mean there's like a little drawer i put the dispensing in there 125 00:09:16,460 --> 00:09:23,600 put it back in like i don't know what you're talking about and it keeps on giving me this 126 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,800 message and so i look on youtube and it was like okay well you put more detergent in the tank and 127 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:33,100 i was like cool the only thing i see a place to put detergent in is like this little drawer 128 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:37,800 so i put like half a bottle of detergent in the drawer 129 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:51,060 wrong place to put it um close the drawer call someone and i say hey um don't think this is 130 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:58,980 working properly this is after mind you after the home inspector has looked at it and said that it's 131 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:08,100 fine after um a different contractor has looked at it run it unplugged it manually reset it and 132 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:14,400 said that it's fine and now i've looked at it and i'm trying to do my fucking laundry and it is not 133 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,980 fine guys no two different men i've looked at this thing and said it was good no it's not 134 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:29,220 so I have to call a repair company mind you I have also been moving and working and this has 135 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:35,680 not been my number one priority yeah so I wasn't able to get on anybody's radar for a few weeks so 136 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:42,980 then I get an appointment the guy comes looks at it for like 30 minutes and goes okay so you see 137 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:53,880 this drawer down here and i go were you just putting it in the wrong place yeah i was putting 138 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,640 it in the wrong place and but the thing that made me feel a little bit better is that he goes 139 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:06,360 but i've never seen a washer like this before yeah and i've been doing this for like 15 years 140 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,620 like i i've never seen a washer like this before and i don't know if he tells that to every client 141 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:16,820 to make them feel better hey well that's a good that's a good serviceman right there but keep them 142 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:23,680 coming back but i've now been able to use my washer but that was a doozy yeah different doozy um this 143 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:31,200 has a garage like a garage the garage door yeah when you buy home home come with garage door 144 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:47,212 garage door has bob yeah open door uh that sold to next owner with garage with bob open door I speaking in Cape Man because I was so mad about this 145 00:11:48,412 --> 00:11:49,792 It was so funny. 146 00:11:50,312 --> 00:11:56,172 And so when I buy the house, when I get, like, closing all of those things, 147 00:11:56,512 --> 00:11:59,172 show up, the realtor, my realtor, looks at me and she goes, 148 00:11:59,612 --> 00:12:04,852 so in the closing it said that it declared that they had two different fobs 149 00:12:04,852 --> 00:12:07,392 for opening the garage, but they said that they never got them. 150 00:12:07,392 --> 00:12:11,952 So I just bought you two universal like garage remotes. 151 00:12:12,432 --> 00:12:15,672 And I was like, okay, thank you. 152 00:12:16,572 --> 00:12:17,012 Cool. 153 00:12:18,672 --> 00:12:20,352 So I can't use the garage? 154 00:12:21,072 --> 00:12:24,692 Like there's no way for me to kind of like get in and out if I'm moving. 155 00:12:25,092 --> 00:12:28,292 Because if I want to open the garage, I have to go through the front door, 156 00:12:28,292 --> 00:12:32,012 open the garage, drive my car around, go in the garage, close it. 157 00:12:32,432 --> 00:12:34,132 Like it's just a whole ordeal. 158 00:12:34,132 --> 00:12:43,192 and she was like well yeah okay so i tried to get somebody to come in and like do that and it was a 159 00:12:43,192 --> 00:12:49,392 whole thing yeah so it was just one thing after another after another so like the new joys of 160 00:12:49,392 --> 00:12:57,412 ownership owner home ownership it's like the new movie homership yes uh featuring homer simpson uh 161 00:12:57,412 --> 00:13:04,952 it's like um the new movie with leo one battle after another it's kind of weird to say yeah i 162 00:13:04,952 --> 00:13:10,632 just got a house because yeah like a lot of people can't buy houses a lot of people can't 163 00:13:10,632 --> 00:13:16,032 buy houses right now no i feel that sometimes too with um like when i'm talking with um like a 164 00:13:16,032 --> 00:13:20,272 college student i was just in pennsylvania this weekend playing a college show which um that was 165 00:13:20,272 --> 00:13:25,192 fun lovely we could talk about that in a minute but sometimes i feel that when i'm just talking 166 00:13:25,192 --> 00:13:29,632 with other people our age who are just from very different walks of life like maybe they're studying 167 00:13:29,632 --> 00:13:35,912 to become a doctor or a teacher or whatever and when we're kind of just talking about you know 168 00:13:35,912 --> 00:13:42,392 life circumstances and whatnot sometimes I will refrain from saying yeah I mean I spend I'm really 169 00:13:42,392 --> 00:13:48,052 lucky that I have parents who support me who let me live at home to the point where all of my money 170 00:13:48,052 --> 00:13:53,272 that comes in I get to spend you know upwards of a thousand fifteen hundred dollars on a song 171 00:13:53,272 --> 00:13:57,892 when there are a lot of people our age who are putting themselves through school because they 172 00:13:57,892 --> 00:14:05,172 don't have the parental support that we do. And yeah, sometimes I struggle with that too. Like, 173 00:14:05,252 --> 00:14:11,072 oh, should I talk about, you know, the money parts of it? And I think you kind of really have to be 174 00:14:11,072 --> 00:14:15,232 a chameleon and adjust it to different rooms because there are some rooms where it's really 175 00:14:15,232 --> 00:14:20,212 helpful to be open. Like, especially when we're talking about Bitcoin, like Bitcoin is money. Like 176 00:14:20,212 --> 00:14:26,632 we have to talk about the specifics and that's kind of what is going to help continue to move the 177 00:14:26,632 --> 00:14:31,272 information and the revolution along like we have to talk about money and the specifics of it but 178 00:14:31,272 --> 00:14:35,732 then it's it's hard when we're talking to people all right because like everybody is struggling in 179 00:14:35,732 --> 00:14:45,812 one way or another and it's like how do we connect but it's hard it's hard I think right now it's 180 00:14:45,812 --> 00:14:50,012 it's easy to celebrate with people who want to celebrate your wins as well 181 00:14:50,012 --> 00:15:05,532 but it's also not something to celebrate very loudly yeah when a lot is going on yeah and kind 182 00:15:05,532 --> 00:15:13,272 of knowing your place in that like i just saw did you see the whole thing with um that beauty 183 00:15:13,272 --> 00:15:20,332 influencer Michaela where she did a whole haul of Louis Vuitton I didn't see the specific one 184 00:15:20,332 --> 00:15:26,092 but I know the the trend of influencers kind of like doing tone deaf hauls tone deaf hauls but she 185 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:33,232 was like I blacked out and I got like 70 grand worth of Louis Vuitton like nobody can do that 186 00:15:33,232 --> 00:15:40,912 nobody nobody can do that especially well I mean nobody within a reasonable tax bracket 187 00:15:40,912 --> 00:15:42,552 Then you look up Becca Bloom. 188 00:15:43,432 --> 00:15:43,792 Who's that? 189 00:15:44,512 --> 00:15:45,972 She's like a billionaire. 190 00:15:46,692 --> 00:15:53,232 And her family, I say she, her family is billionaires, right? 191 00:15:54,812 --> 00:15:58,492 She grew up in that and is like in finance, I want to say. 192 00:15:59,072 --> 00:16:03,092 And her utensils are like the egg that's like 50 grand. 193 00:16:03,592 --> 00:16:03,872 Oh, yeah. 194 00:16:04,072 --> 00:16:06,892 And then she has like a private chef and talks about that 195 00:16:06,892 --> 00:16:10,052 and like the high jewelry Van Cleef collections 196 00:16:10,052 --> 00:16:18,532 and like all of that type of thing like that's wild a that you're posting that b that you were 197 00:16:18,532 --> 00:16:25,512 allowed to do that by i mean because those type of families have like private security they have 198 00:16:25,512 --> 00:16:32,792 somebody that's monitoring everything yeah so it's surprising that somebody like 199 00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:39,432 and i say allow loosely because like nobody should allow another adult to do something yeah but 200 00:16:39,432 --> 00:16:44,072 But I'm surprised that that's being out. 201 00:16:44,152 --> 00:16:49,172 But it's so incredibly tone deaf compared to Michaela as well. 202 00:16:49,492 --> 00:16:52,692 She's doing the 70 grand hauls. 203 00:16:52,892 --> 00:16:53,932 And oh, here comes Farrah. 204 00:16:54,452 --> 00:16:55,512 Here she is. 205 00:16:58,252 --> 00:17:03,312 And it's just crazy that I think that's also done for views. 206 00:17:03,532 --> 00:17:03,692 Yeah. 207 00:17:03,912 --> 00:17:05,532 Obviously as well right now. 208 00:17:05,532 --> 00:17:11,492 because that backlash of oh my gosh she's doing a haul of 70 grand well I want to see what the 70 209 00:17:11,492 --> 00:17:18,672 grand was yeah right and like it's so then people are gonna watch it yeah and it's interesting to 210 00:17:18,672 --> 00:17:25,712 have this conversation like this was kind of little detour of conversation wasn't even in our notes of 211 00:17:25,712 --> 00:17:29,572 things that we wanted to discuss today but I think it's it's really interesting because one of the um 212 00:17:29,572 --> 00:17:35,152 I was listening to an audiobook yesterday as we were driving back from Pennsylvania DC 213 00:17:35,152 --> 00:17:41,092 called Abundance by Ezra Klein and he he co-wrote it with somebody else I don't remember the name 214 00:17:41,092 --> 00:17:49,472 Derek Johnson maybe I don't know but Ezra Klein is a columnist opinion writer for either the 215 00:17:49,472 --> 00:17:57,512 Washington Post or New York Times and he wrote this book kind of just on like 216 00:17:57,512 --> 00:18:05,392 offering a critique for um modern left-leaning um politics and modern left-leaning politicians 217 00:18:05,392 --> 00:18:09,232 because i think you can absolutely make an argument that the way that the 2024 election 218 00:18:09,232 --> 00:18:15,012 turned out was because us on the left liberal leaning people we are also so set in our own ways 219 00:18:15,012 --> 00:18:20,372 and we also have our own opinions of oh we need to do this this way and then we're not you know 220 00:18:20,372 --> 00:18:24,952 talking across the aisle and getting things done and whatnot um and there was a really interesting 221 00:18:24,952 --> 00:18:30,952 part of the book talking about housing infrastructure and kind of just greater 222 00:18:30,952 --> 00:18:37,992 transportation infrastructure of the of the greater U.S. and whatnot. And so one of the 223 00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:43,392 things that he was talking about that I was like, oh, I had never spent a ton of time thinking about 224 00:18:43,392 --> 00:18:51,172 this, but it really makes a lot of sense. So he was talking about how in really like really blue 225 00:18:51,172 --> 00:19:01,972 cities like san francisco new york whatnot how a lot of people will have um have um like these 226 00:19:01,972 --> 00:19:07,112 signs that signify what our beliefs are black lives matter um everyone should be kind we have 227 00:19:07,112 --> 00:19:13,152 the rainbow pride flag hanging and that's great that we are all signaling that that is what we 228 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:21,912 believe in but also at the same time people in these um more urban communities are against 229 00:19:21,912 --> 00:19:27,492 more housing going up oh my gosh this is so cute kitty's just like cuddled up with pharah 230 00:19:27,492 --> 00:19:37,952 pharah has decided she wants to make her her snap debut yes hi um so he was just wants to be on 231 00:19:37,952 --> 00:19:45,212 it's so cute he was making the argument that i think a lot of liberal leaning people 232 00:19:45,212 --> 00:19:51,232 in theory were like we cannot build so she's like just licking your face it's so cute 233 00:19:51,232 --> 00:19:59,732 i was trying really hard not to um but so he was making the argument that a lot of um left-leaning 234 00:19:59,732 --> 00:20:04,732 liberal people because we are so climate conscious and environmentally conscious 235 00:20:04,732 --> 00:20:10,292 will say things like we can't it should be harder to build highways it should be harder to get 236 00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:18,412 more houses put up but also in cities where there is a housing crisis and an affordable housing 237 00:20:18,412 --> 00:20:27,952 crisis by saying no we're against these massive apartment complexes going up that could house the 238 00:20:27,952 --> 00:20:34,392 homeless population in Venice by saying that we don't want that to happen that is not practicing 239 00:20:34,392 --> 00:20:39,392 what our yard signs are representing for us, if that makes sense. And I don't know, 240 00:20:39,392 --> 00:20:46,372 he did a really eloquent job of explaining, um, that kind of whole facet of, um, you know, 241 00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:53,372 geopolitical American politic. Right. Um, but it, it was just really interesting. And I was like, 242 00:20:53,432 --> 00:20:59,532 wow, that, that's a really great way to look at it. And at least it explained kind of that facet 243 00:20:59,532 --> 00:21:06,632 of um you know the housing crisis to me and also like our activism and our beliefs cannot be so 244 00:21:06,632 --> 00:21:13,992 just like stake in the ground yes we believe that no human is illegal on stolen land and no human 245 00:21:13,992 --> 00:21:19,892 is illegal period but we have to practice that by saying you know it might kind of be worse for the 246 00:21:19,892 --> 00:21:24,052 environment right now if we have to continue to put up however many high-rise buildings but also 247 00:21:24,052 --> 00:21:33,972 So that is building equity for people who are struggling, like kind of going back to what this conversation was originally talking about. 248 00:21:34,432 --> 00:21:40,392 So I guess that's my my book recommendation for right now. Read Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek. 249 00:21:40,392 --> 00:21:44,212 I'm so sorry. I don't remember what his last name is, but it was great. 250 00:21:44,332 --> 00:21:47,472 I think President Obama gave it gave it a glowing review. 251 00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:54,572 a lot of people um I think across both um sides of the political aisle were like yeah this is a 252 00:21:54,572 --> 00:22:02,012 great great great great take um so yeah but I was traveling uh all last week which surprise surprise 253 00:22:02,012 --> 00:22:06,472 when am I when are we doing a podcast episode and I have not just gotten back from traveling 254 00:22:06,472 --> 00:22:13,852 or doing something um I mean you are all over the place man yeah literally um so I was in um 255 00:22:13,852 --> 00:22:16,632 I had a college show in Pennsylvania last Saturday. 256 00:22:16,852 --> 00:22:23,732 And then I went and spent the end of the weekend and the beginning half of the week with my aunt in D.C. 257 00:22:23,912 --> 00:22:26,352 Who this is another thing we wanted to talk about. 258 00:22:26,352 --> 00:22:31,612 My aunt is a government employee who has been furloughed right now because of the government shutdown. 259 00:22:32,372 --> 00:22:34,252 But she is just like the coolest person. 260 00:22:34,332 --> 00:22:36,092 She's like, hey, let's go couch shopping. 261 00:22:36,212 --> 00:22:37,292 Let's go furniture shopping. 262 00:22:37,412 --> 00:22:39,612 We're going to make the best of this time. 263 00:22:39,712 --> 00:22:40,832 Because it's funny. 264 00:22:40,832 --> 00:22:44,572 Like I've just been in interior design land, interior design mode. 265 00:22:44,732 --> 00:22:49,912 My mom and I were helping furniture shop and pick out paint samples for my aunt's place. 266 00:22:49,912 --> 00:22:55,972 And then we come back to Katie's house and she's got all of her nice new furniture in. 267 00:22:56,372 --> 00:23:00,572 And we're talking about paint swatches for, you know, her house and whatnot. 268 00:23:01,072 --> 00:23:03,552 And it's really exciting. 269 00:23:03,552 --> 00:23:10,532 and it's making me just like, man, maybe I need to redecorate my own, you know, accord, 270 00:23:10,672 --> 00:23:13,612 my own bedroom and whatnot. 271 00:23:15,052 --> 00:23:19,192 And not just bedroom, just like Katie and I were talking about this before we started. 272 00:23:19,352 --> 00:23:20,272 Ooh, what do we have here? 273 00:23:21,332 --> 00:23:34,624 Sea salt caramels Hold the phone Oh that exciting Oh love that I going to absolutely go for one of those No but Katie and I were talking 274 00:23:34,624 --> 00:23:39,684 before we started recording. Like I am somebody who thrives on change and I've been around so 275 00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:43,984 much change in the past week or so, like coming back to Katie's and she's kind of in this season 276 00:23:43,984 --> 00:23:48,244 of life where it's all about moving and reorganizing and redecorating and whatnot. 277 00:23:48,244 --> 00:23:53,184 and my aunt was the same way and so I'm at this like man maybe I need to just like buy myself that 278 00:23:53,184 --> 00:24:00,384 duvet cover I've been wanting and get over myself because I have a weird um complex about I don't 279 00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:04,564 feel like I am and this is another thing like a facet of like everybody is struggling in different 280 00:24:04,564 --> 00:24:08,864 ways even if it looks like on the outside like we're all doing great or whatnot I have this thing 281 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:15,684 where I am really not not afraid but um I don't want to spend money on myself on Ainsley the person 282 00:24:15,684 --> 00:24:20,384 but every spare dime I have will go towards furthering Ainsley Costello, the artist. 283 00:24:21,844 --> 00:24:27,644 But yeah, I was in Pennsylvania for a college show and it was it was a beautiful day. 284 00:24:27,744 --> 00:24:30,564 I got to headline FNM's Fall Fest. 285 00:24:30,704 --> 00:24:35,724 But this is one thing and I'd be curious on like what your take on this is. 286 00:24:36,824 --> 00:24:40,204 So every college show that I've done in the past couple of years, 287 00:24:40,204 --> 00:24:46,864 it's really rare when you do a college show where um there are students our age who are out and about 288 00:24:46,864 --> 00:24:52,564 who actively want to discover new music definitely I mean we could get into how you know Spotify has 289 00:24:52,564 --> 00:24:57,344 influenced that about it's all about mood music and nobody wants to find new music and new artists 290 00:24:57,344 --> 00:25:02,284 or whatnot but most of the college shows that I have played over the past couple of years um 291 00:25:02,284 --> 00:25:09,944 as grateful as I am for the opportunities um really not a lot of students show up not a lot 292 00:25:09,944 --> 00:25:14,924 of um um you know like there's always some sort of faculty there there's students who are there 293 00:25:14,924 --> 00:25:18,384 who are running the event and whatnot and they're always appreciative and they're like yeah we love 294 00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:25,844 the music but um one of the things that I've realized from talking to college professors and 295 00:25:25,844 --> 00:25:32,024 the people who are putting on these events is that ever since COVID they cannot get students 296 00:25:32,024 --> 00:25:37,704 out of their dorms to come and like socialize or um come and experience new music or be a part of 297 00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:43,824 crowd and um like that's just so odd to me because I think this is another I think holdover of what 298 00:25:43,824 --> 00:25:48,704 we learned from when we were in school um and my parents and my you know aunts and uncles have all 299 00:25:48,704 --> 00:25:52,504 said the same thing like when they were in college the cool thing to do was go find new music it 300 00:25:52,504 --> 00:25:57,424 didn't matter if you had never heard of that artist or band before it was just like cool that's the 301 00:25:57,424 --> 00:26:06,064 thing to go do on a Friday night um and it's just it's really odd um to play for you know 302 00:26:06,064 --> 00:26:14,024 a demographic that should be your target market but is not it is is not showing up in the way that 303 00:26:14,024 --> 00:26:18,664 you thought they would yeah exactly and you know I'm always grateful for the people who listen 304 00:26:18,664 --> 00:26:23,804 and who walk by and they're like yeah we love the music and whatnot um but yeah I mean that's 305 00:26:23,804 --> 00:26:28,624 definitely I think a holdover from COVID at least in the music industry that I'm like that never 306 00:26:28,624 --> 00:26:33,224 really came back like what are some of the things that you've noticed in the music industry that 307 00:26:33,224 --> 00:26:41,424 have changed or have not bounced back since well i mean the age-old story is all of the small 308 00:26:41,424 --> 00:26:49,264 businesses closing yeah and i mean i've talked about belcourt if you've listened to even one or 309 00:26:49,264 --> 00:26:58,224 two you'll probably hear the name belcourt um belcourt closed because they couldn't stay open 310 00:26:58,224 --> 00:27:07,184 um same thing with cabana taps couldn't stay open doing rounds like their main business was having a 311 00:27:07,184 --> 00:27:15,944 writer's round every night and having people show up drink eat watch the rounds and go about their 312 00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:23,424 business but people stopped wanting to show up and support the business and so then those businesses 313 00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:34,904 can't stay open um and i've seen a lot of that happen i mean live music in general seems a lot 314 00:27:34,904 --> 00:27:45,624 different um i think writing with people as well i i came to nashville as covid was happening and 315 00:27:45,624 --> 00:27:55,004 just after so like I never got to see Nashville in its prime of being super music city and yeah 316 00:27:55,004 --> 00:28:06,704 I agree like so I kind of am sad about that but I saw people rally during COVID but after because 317 00:28:06,704 --> 00:28:13,784 everybody had to kind of then worry about what's going on with them and kind of how their careers 318 00:28:13,784 --> 00:28:22,784 and things are going um i saw it kind of split because then you go from okay well let's support 319 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:29,364 the community let's support this place and these people to okay well i just got this opportunity 320 00:28:29,364 --> 00:28:35,424 a different place i'm gonna move or i need to move back home for a little bit because i can't 321 00:28:35,424 --> 00:28:42,324 afford to stay here yeah or so all of those things started happening after covid and then 322 00:28:42,324 --> 00:28:48,224 you had an influx of people move in that just made it completely different yeah so I feel like 323 00:28:48,224 --> 00:28:54,864 we've almost seen kind of a cycle go through in the past few years Nashville AC after COVID yeah 324 00:28:54,864 --> 00:29:03,044 yeah I mean it's it's odd it's definitely weird and I could see especially for college shows 325 00:29:03,044 --> 00:29:12,664 and for college individuals, they were going to school either in high school during COVID 326 00:29:12,664 --> 00:29:15,024 or they were in college during COVID. 327 00:29:15,424 --> 00:29:15,604 Yeah. 328 00:29:15,924 --> 00:29:21,644 But they will never have that actual or quote unquote college experience. 329 00:29:21,904 --> 00:29:22,104 Yeah. 330 00:29:22,324 --> 00:29:27,604 So one of the things that I think I'm curious about, because I never had the typical go 331 00:29:27,604 --> 00:29:28,424 to school for four years. 332 00:29:28,544 --> 00:29:31,144 I mean, I went to school for the equivalent of four years. 333 00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:32,904 I mean, that's how I got my degree and whatnot. 334 00:29:33,044 --> 00:29:42,164 But as somebody who, and COVID aside, because that first year when you were a freshman, that was when everything was really shut down, right? 335 00:29:43,844 --> 00:29:54,384 As somebody who did have the traditional college experience, and this might be skewed because Belmont is such a music school. 336 00:29:54,744 --> 00:29:58,164 And it might be that, you know, everybody's going to music classes all day. 337 00:29:58,204 --> 00:30:02,864 And the last thing that they want to do with their free time is like go and see a show or go and, you know, support other artists. 338 00:30:02,864 --> 00:30:10,664 but like was that a thing like would you guys go and um see shows of artists that you hadn't heard 339 00:30:10,664 --> 00:30:15,324 before was that something that was kind of cultivated by the Belmont culture what was the 340 00:30:15,324 --> 00:30:25,584 what was the hip thing to do in your free time I mean yes like going and finding those shows 341 00:30:25,584 --> 00:30:29,684 was definitely something that we were all craving and did. 342 00:30:33,104 --> 00:30:40,024 There were a lot of shows that Belmont did and put on 343 00:30:40,024 --> 00:30:43,584 that didn't get as much traction as they would have liked 344 00:30:43,584 --> 00:30:46,584 because it kind of... 345 00:30:47,424 --> 00:30:47,924 Okay. 346 00:30:48,784 --> 00:30:51,304 When you're a school that presents, be independent, 347 00:30:51,664 --> 00:30:54,364 do your own thing, do your own shows, blah, blah, blah, blah. 348 00:30:54,364 --> 00:31:00,884 the big man is trying to screw you yeah and then the school itself puts on a show and they're 349 00:31:00,884 --> 00:31:08,584 deciding who's performing who's running it who's doing what and maybe you don't feel that the 350 00:31:08,584 --> 00:31:14,604 people that are performing should have been the ones chosen and other people are doing shows 351 00:31:14,604 --> 00:31:21,064 on or around that time or that night or that weekend or whatever you're gonna go to those shows 352 00:31:21,064 --> 00:31:27,224 yeah where would you go and see shows by um unknown artists or would you if there was like 353 00:31:27,224 --> 00:31:31,904 a student show and then there was like a big like say Tate McRae was coming through that night Tate 354 00:31:31,904 --> 00:31:38,704 McRae wasn't big back then but like what was what was the the pick what would it be let's go find 355 00:31:38,704 --> 00:31:44,504 something Indian underground or I mean it kind of is a mixed bag yeah because there were so many 356 00:31:44,504 --> 00:31:50,324 people that were in that like I want to go see indie music yeah there was always a crowd they 357 00:31:50,324 --> 00:31:56,564 would go to any sort of house show yeah always um and I mean there was also just a lot of freshmen 358 00:31:56,564 --> 00:32:01,204 there because they just wanted to go to a party you know yeah that makes sense you know so 359 00:32:01,204 --> 00:32:10,924 it just kind of depended on if you knew the people playing or not and that honestly really didn't 360 00:32:11,844 --> 00:32:18,624 matter as much as just knowing about it going on yeah and I think if there were a bigger artist 361 00:32:18,624 --> 00:32:25,364 coming through it depends obviously on who they were blah blah blah but there would probably still 362 00:32:25,364 --> 00:32:31,444 be people that would go to both yeah i think it's definitely skewed because belmont is just very 363 00:32:31,444 --> 00:32:38,104 much camp rock it's so camp rock like i would be interested to ask this question to like like my 364 00:32:38,104 --> 00:32:44,284 friend claire at she went to a wisconsin state school yeah exactly i would love to know what her 365 00:32:44,284 --> 00:32:50,024 take on this would be she would not seek out shows if yeah if madison was doing a show of 366 00:32:50,024 --> 00:32:58,084 unknown artists she would probably i don't know she's not the best example though because she 367 00:32:58,084 --> 00:33:06,624 listens to a ton of music she listens to more music than i do um she would probably go and 368 00:33:06,624 --> 00:33:12,784 seek it out but if you were to ask like her friend group no it's not really something they 369 00:33:12,784 --> 00:33:18,744 would want to do yeah and that's just that I that's maybe that is in part because of COVID 370 00:33:18,744 --> 00:33:24,204 maybe that is in part of how both sides of the music industry are broken from the discovery 371 00:33:24,204 --> 00:33:32,404 artist piece to um the fan element um but yeah I mean I just I thought that was really interesting 372 00:33:32,404 --> 00:33:38,644 and I mean all that to say I had a great time getting to play um at FNM it's funny um my drummer 373 00:33:38,644 --> 00:33:43,024 Jackson he had never played a college show before and so he kind of didn't really know what the vibe 374 00:33:43,024 --> 00:33:48,484 was going in and so me and Eli Eli's played a bunch of other college shows um not really with 375 00:33:48,484 --> 00:33:52,804 me but with a lot of his other artists that he plays with um and we were like all right Jackson 376 00:33:52,804 --> 00:33:58,324 this could go one of two ways this could either be like the best thing ever and like we walk away 377 00:33:58,324 --> 00:34:04,584 with 500 new fans who are moshing at the pit the whole time and then or it could be a really great 378 00:34:04,584 --> 00:34:05,164 paid rehearsal. 379 00:34:13,164 --> 00:34:16,064 Can I give you this loneliness? 380 00:34:17,704 --> 00:34:22,404 Can I hand you this loneliness and tell you it's all right? 381 00:34:22,444 --> 00:34:23,424 It's all right. 382 00:34:23,604 --> 00:34:24,364 It's all right. 383 00:34:24,424 --> 00:34:25,304 It's all right. 384 00:34:27,604 --> 00:34:29,204 It's all right. 385 00:34:29,204 --> 00:34:36,044 I got enough for everyone 386 00:34:36,044 --> 00:34:39,904 It's coming round for everyone 387 00:34:39,904 --> 00:34:42,264 You don't believe me 388 00:34:42,264 --> 00:34:45,424 You don't need to 389 00:34:45,424 --> 00:34:49,204 You don't 390 00:34:49,204 --> 00:34:57,124 These words go round and round and round 391 00:34:57,124 --> 00:35:02,244 These words go round and round, I can't put them back 392 00:35:02,244 --> 00:35:14,335 I wanna put them back If I could If I could If I could I open all We are now atFilmropshire 393 00:35:34,335 --> 00:35:44,015 We are now taking a drive tour 394 00:35:44,936 --> 00:35:48,815 We're part ofowa set as a minha mandropel 395 00:35:48,815 --> 00:35:59,515 We are now Wohnung 396 00:35:59,515 --> 00:35:59,775 During 15 нем 397 00:36:17,555 --> 00:36:22,335 Emo 398 00:36:29,515 --> 00:36:37,515 We are turning to Carpenaw rape 399 00:36:59,515 --> 00:37:05,856 And open all your mind 400 00:37:05,856 --> 00:37:09,635 Let just one thing feel and kind 401 00:37:09,635 --> 00:37:14,275 I could not love you anymore 402 00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:18,335 I could not 403 00:37:18,335 --> 00:37:25,295 But are you gonna carry on? 404 00:37:26,555 --> 00:37:29,495 Tell me, are you gonna carry on? 405 00:37:29,515 --> 00:37:32,515 With what we've done 406 00:37:32,515 --> 00:37:34,515 Are you? 407 00:37:37,515 --> 00:37:38,515 Are you? 408 00:37:42,515 --> 00:37:45,515 Cause I'm too weak to bury my dog 409 00:37:46,515 --> 00:37:48,515 I'm too weak to bury my dog 410 00:37:48,515 --> 00:37:51,515 Gotta call my son 411 00:37:52,515 --> 00:37:54,515 Not who I was 412 00:37:59,515 --> 00:38:05,835 I still got love to give, don't I? 413 00:38:06,175 --> 00:38:08,755 Still got love to give 414 00:38:08,755 --> 00:38:10,575 Let me show you now 415 00:38:10,575 --> 00:38:13,436 What we have is now 416 00:38:13,436 --> 00:38:14,755 Is what we have 417 00:38:14,755 --> 00:38:16,696 We have 418 00:38:16,696 --> 00:38:21,155 If I could, if I could 419 00:38:21,155 --> 00:38:25,936 Now open all your floodgates 420 00:38:25,936 --> 00:38:33,755 And opened all your closed doors 421 00:38:33,755 --> 00:38:40,315 And opened all your mind 422 00:38:40,315 --> 00:38:44,255 Let just one thing feel and cast 423 00:38:44,255 --> 00:38:48,655 I could not love you anymore 424 00:38:48,655 --> 00:38:52,795 I could not 425 00:38:55,936 --> 00:39:00,456 Rain it comes down black 426 00:39:00,456 --> 00:39:04,235 Rain it comes down black 427 00:39:04,235 --> 00:39:06,775 My hair's gone white 428 00:39:06,775 --> 00:39:09,755 Tempest be kind 429 00:39:09,755 --> 00:39:22,755 And that's kind of how I try to look at those shows where, you know, for lack of a better term, you kind of end up being background music. 430 00:39:22,755 --> 00:39:28,515 it's a paid rehearsal and you always get some sort of value out of it whether it's the monetary value 431 00:39:28,515 --> 00:39:34,675 or the fans that you retain but at this stage in in our careers in the music industry it's so rare 432 00:39:34,675 --> 00:39:40,956 to um to see both of those um pieces of value come together and so you kind of just have to 433 00:39:40,956 --> 00:39:46,595 take what you can get um sometimes but it was still a great trip um another thing that i thought was 434 00:39:46,595 --> 00:39:51,835 would be fun to tell you so um the show in pennsylvania happened on saturday and then that 435 00:39:51,835 --> 00:39:58,436 night we drove down to stay with my aunt in DC for a couple of days. And one of the things that 436 00:39:58,436 --> 00:40:08,495 had been on my bucket list was to, um, go to the strategy building in Virginia. Um, and it was so 437 00:40:08,495 --> 00:40:14,055 cool. The lovely and amazing Ella Huff, like gave my mom and I like this incredible tour of the 438 00:40:14,055 --> 00:40:17,876 strategy building. And then we went and had lunch with her and kind of just caught up and got to 439 00:40:17,876 --> 00:40:22,916 know each other a little bit more because I think I've always like thought that Ella is just like 440 00:40:22,916 --> 00:40:27,396 the coolest person and I've only met kind of I've known her from afar and then the past couple of 441 00:40:27,396 --> 00:40:31,115 times that I've met her like we've been like okay cool this is great like kind of like getting to 442 00:40:31,115 --> 00:40:35,615 know each other a little bit more every time we see each other um but she was just so wonderful 443 00:40:35,615 --> 00:40:41,735 she gave us a tour of um like the bazillion floors of the strategy building um they have a 444 00:40:41,735 --> 00:40:46,115 podcast studio so if and when we interview Ella maybe we go and do it at the strategy building 445 00:40:46,115 --> 00:40:53,495 we just bring the podcast box um but it's so cool right no literally no she showed us um 446 00:40:53,495 --> 00:40:57,335 she showed us the room and somebody was like actively in their podcasting we're like oh sorry 447 00:40:57,335 --> 00:41:07,135 but it's so cool they've got like a full coffee bar and lunch lounge and gym and showers and then 448 00:41:07,135 --> 00:41:12,856 also they have the whole co-working space that has like this beautiful view of Virginia um and 449 00:41:12,856 --> 00:41:18,995 then like they're all like the fancy higher up offices i think are on the top floor but um wow 450 00:41:18,995 --> 00:41:24,815 it was just the coolest experience and so getting to know ella and her story a bit more what was 451 00:41:24,815 --> 00:41:34,235 your favorite part about the strategy building oh i mean the the co-work spaces was really cool 452 00:41:34,235 --> 00:41:40,835 because one of the things that I've just done in the past week or so 453 00:41:40,835 --> 00:41:45,095 is become a member of the strategy co-workspace. 454 00:41:45,235 --> 00:41:46,215 And you can sign up. 455 00:41:46,436 --> 00:41:48,175 I'm pretty sure it's for free. 456 00:41:48,275 --> 00:41:48,976 Don't quote me on that. 457 00:41:49,035 --> 00:41:51,615 You might have to talk to the business manager, Julie Costello, on that one. 458 00:41:52,416 --> 00:41:57,476 But if you are a member, it's not like some of the other Bitcoin co-workspaces 459 00:41:57,476 --> 00:42:01,315 where you have to be a member for a yearly fee or something. 460 00:42:01,315 --> 00:42:07,235 um you can just reserve a room and go and work you can go and have meetings there um and I mean 461 00:42:07,235 --> 00:42:13,335 like the building itself is just beautiful and it's kind of the most I think when you think of 462 00:42:13,335 --> 00:42:19,835 growing up and getting a big girl job and like working in this beautiful high rise and then 463 00:42:19,835 --> 00:42:23,995 there's all this like great shopping around it and then it's like a beautiful day too like 464 00:42:23,995 --> 00:42:29,775 it was just one of those where one of those moments where I was like oh this is like what 465 00:42:29,775 --> 00:42:34,015 life could be like I mean and that goes back to I think we were having this conversation a couple 466 00:42:34,015 --> 00:42:39,515 weeks ago that idea of like oh well what do we do if if it's not music if we decide it's not music 467 00:42:39,515 --> 00:42:43,896 in a couple of years and it was just one of those where I'm like oh this is a possibility but it's 468 00:42:43,896 --> 00:42:49,735 also kind of the best of both worlds because I think we're both in this phase of life where we're 469 00:42:49,735 --> 00:42:55,235 actively still chasing music and that is the big thing yeah but then also we do kind of get to step 470 00:42:55,235 --> 00:42:59,916 into the businessy side of things every once in a while and be like no I'm gonna show up with my 471 00:42:59,916 --> 00:43:09,055 pantsuit and I'm the boss of this table you know yeah oh my gosh yeah I um I had a few different 472 00:43:09,055 --> 00:43:15,815 like music things happen recently where I had like a few different co-writers come in or 473 00:43:15,815 --> 00:43:23,376 other people and I had this girl want to come in and we were talking and like blah blah blah 474 00:43:23,376 --> 00:43:31,535 and she texted me the night before and she's like hey just letting you know like um my friend is 475 00:43:31,535 --> 00:43:39,916 gonna come and i was like like what do we mean by friend like a friend writer like producer or just 476 00:43:39,916 --> 00:43:46,595 a friend in general not like no other context besides like friends and i was like hey interesting 477 00:43:46,595 --> 00:43:57,515 okay vibes and I was like okay I um I would rather it just be kind of us and the engineer 478 00:43:57,515 --> 00:44:06,235 um and see how it goes from there and she was like oh okay sounds sounds good but it's kind 479 00:44:06,235 --> 00:44:12,295 of like a back and forth of we're talking about writing we've called about this a few times and 480 00:44:12,295 --> 00:44:14,215 There's never been a mention of bringing somebody else. 481 00:44:14,376 --> 00:44:17,495 And then when it gets right to, like, recording, 482 00:44:18,555 --> 00:44:19,675 they're like, oh, I'm going to bring somebody. 483 00:44:20,015 --> 00:44:20,215 Yeah. 484 00:44:20,695 --> 00:44:23,035 And it was kind of like, okay. 485 00:44:23,215 --> 00:44:26,436 Like, I want to see that you're able to come in and, like, show your chops. 486 00:44:26,695 --> 00:44:26,936 Yeah. 487 00:44:27,735 --> 00:44:29,035 It's okay to be nervous. 488 00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:31,655 Like, I'm nervous going into the studio. 489 00:44:31,655 --> 00:44:33,735 But also, I'm not going to be like, hey, can I bring Dixie? 490 00:44:34,275 --> 00:44:34,535 Yeah. 491 00:44:34,715 --> 00:44:35,035 Like. 492 00:44:35,635 --> 00:44:39,416 There's a studio etiquette that happens that it's interesting, I think. 493 00:44:39,755 --> 00:44:41,396 And this probably isn't even a Nashville problem. 494 00:44:41,396 --> 00:44:45,495 I think this is probably even more of a thing in LA. 495 00:44:45,735 --> 00:44:48,916 Like some of the, like the stories that you hear from some of these legacy guys who have 496 00:44:48,916 --> 00:44:52,876 been in the industry for, you know, however many years and like worked on a John Mayer 497 00:44:52,876 --> 00:44:57,035 record or a Kanye record or something like the, the stories they would say of like, Oh, 498 00:44:57,075 --> 00:45:01,135 we didn't start recording until four in the morning because everybody was over at the 499 00:45:01,135 --> 00:45:02,835 studio for a hang. 500 00:45:03,075 --> 00:45:07,995 And I don't know if it's just me and I'm being a prude, but part of me is like, when you 501 00:45:07,995 --> 00:45:09,376 go to the studio, you're there to work. 502 00:45:09,376 --> 00:45:10,936 Like for us, that's our office space. 503 00:45:10,936 --> 00:45:17,995 that's our nine to five and we treat that with a lot of care and respect it's not you know it's 504 00:45:17,995 --> 00:45:23,555 not the coffee house to like go and kind of get to know someone I mean of course when you I think 505 00:45:23,555 --> 00:45:29,595 there's a good balance of when you know the people that you're working with and it's it doesn't feel 506 00:45:29,595 --> 00:45:35,695 like a nine to five yeah but you're still there to like record and get stuff done and work but 507 00:45:35,695 --> 00:45:42,976 yeah it's kind of I've known people too to like rent out a studio time and like throw a party and 508 00:45:42,976 --> 00:45:49,615 I'm like what are you doing like what why would you spend that money so I don't know like there's 509 00:45:49,615 --> 00:45:57,495 just a different culture especially with different genres of music yeah definitely um about how to 510 00:45:57,495 --> 00:46:04,295 promote things and no I mean I I get that too like whenever I go to the studio and especially 511 00:46:04,295 --> 00:46:08,095 with somebody who I've never worked with before but even with the producers who I have a really 512 00:46:08,095 --> 00:46:14,476 great rapport with um and I know them they know me like we know what the goal is when we're walking 513 00:46:14,476 --> 00:46:21,416 in I in but probably to my own fault because I think I've started to realize like maybe I need 514 00:46:21,416 --> 00:46:26,575 to just like loosen up a little bit and maybe I do need to be a little bit more friendly not in 515 00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:31,195 the sense of like I'm rude to the people I'm working with friendly in the sense of um you know 516 00:46:31,195 --> 00:46:52,396 what I mean? Like, oh, hi. Like we can't like catch up for a minute when we're here, but almost like to a fault sometimes with me, I'm going to a place. And if I know we're going to be there for three hours, I'm like, oh my gosh. Hi, how are you? Great to see you. Okay. This is what we're doing today. Like, because I respect my time. I respect your time. And it's, it's just, it's 517 00:46:52,447 --> 00:47:00,007 interesting to see like who that you know piece of information comes naturally to and who has to 518 00:47:00,007 --> 00:47:04,887 learn that by like having you say hey I would actually just prefer if it's just the two of us 519 00:47:04,887 --> 00:47:11,927 like because we are here but how was the the song you guys ended up writing um it was fine I mean 520 00:47:11,927 --> 00:47:17,407 it was one of those like you kind of go back and forth and you're trying to figure out each other's 521 00:47:17,407 --> 00:47:27,887 writing style yeah and how to kind of navigate each other without like stifling the ideas but 522 00:47:27,887 --> 00:47:36,707 kind of keep it on a direction where it sounds cohesive yeah but the thing that I've stumbled on 523 00:47:36,707 --> 00:47:43,687 in the past with rights in Nashville is you tell somebody that you write you get to the right 524 00:47:43,687 --> 00:47:50,447 and then either you or the other person steamroll 525 00:47:50,447 --> 00:47:57,827 and kind of like you're writing the majority of it 526 00:47:57,827 --> 00:47:59,447 or they're writing the majority of it 527 00:47:59,447 --> 00:48:06,047 and it's kind of like you're battling for being cohesive. 528 00:48:06,047 --> 00:48:06,247 Dominant. 529 00:48:06,607 --> 00:48:10,007 Yeah, to be dominant but then you're trying to make it work. 530 00:48:11,327 --> 00:48:12,587 It really just doesn't. 531 00:48:12,587 --> 00:48:21,387 so it didn't exactly feel like that because i mean after doing a few of those you kind of go 532 00:48:21,387 --> 00:48:27,047 okay there's ways to navigate this and there's ways to kind of like move on from how those ideas 533 00:48:27,047 --> 00:48:35,707 go yeah um but it was a little bit interesting i mean we ended up with something good so 534 00:48:35,707 --> 00:48:43,407 would either of you record it um not yet because we didn't fully complete the whole thing like we 535 00:48:43,407 --> 00:48:49,827 got up into the bridge yeah but or like would you see it coming out under your artist project or 536 00:48:49,827 --> 00:48:57,207 their artist project i could probably see it coming out under theirs okay um not so much mine 537 00:48:57,207 --> 00:49:07,647 because it feels a little bit less r&b yeah um but i don't know i don't know yeah no but it really 538 00:49:07,647 --> 00:49:16,207 is so rare to find a collaborator not even just in nashville just everywhere where it is a perfect 539 00:49:16,207 --> 00:49:25,407 blend where the the energy is is matched between the two of you the um determination is matched and 540 00:49:25,407 --> 00:49:31,747 the the creativity matchup it's it's so rare I'm so spoiled with Jake yeah I forget about that I'm 541 00:49:31,747 --> 00:49:36,967 like Jake and I have known each other long enough and I've been working together so like long enough 542 00:49:36,967 --> 00:49:43,627 that it's kind of like I just go on autopilot and it's so easy that I forget when I work with other 543 00:49:43,627 --> 00:49:49,067 people as well like okay no these are the things that Jake and I had to kind of go through two years 544 00:49:49,067 --> 00:49:54,567 ago yeah to figure out how that went but like okay now we have to go through the same thing and 545 00:49:54,567 --> 00:49:58,387 And it's like, oh, that takes so much time. 546 00:49:58,467 --> 00:49:58,807 It does. 547 00:50:00,127 --> 00:50:06,887 Like what I just so kind of building up that team and doing it with the right people and kind of waiting it out is always worth it. 548 00:50:06,887 --> 00:50:09,847 But yeah, I forget that I have it so good with Jake. 549 00:50:10,667 --> 00:50:11,107 Definitely. 550 00:50:11,767 --> 00:50:12,367 For sure. 551 00:50:24,567 --> 00:50:41,327 Built up enough 552 00:50:41,327 --> 00:50:44,687 To ask you the question 553 00:50:44,687 --> 00:50:48,667 Why yes of course you said 554 00:50:48,667 --> 00:50:50,867 Or was I mistaken 555 00:50:50,867 --> 00:50:58,687 I thought lovers told each other what they love in one another 556 00:50:58,687 --> 00:51:01,987 But you never speak, but still never listen 557 00:51:01,987 --> 00:51:05,187 I'm trying to talk, but I'm getting nothing 558 00:51:05,187 --> 00:51:11,267 So present for keeping your distance at the same time 559 00:51:11,267 --> 00:51:17,527 So close I can feel your breath on my ego 560 00:51:17,527 --> 00:51:22,807 God, it's your cold, don't let go of me 561 00:51:22,807 --> 00:51:30,547 My love's not in the design of your perfect little mind 562 00:51:30,547 --> 00:51:48,607 I hate to call, cause I don't wanna bother 563 00:51:48,607 --> 00:51:54,927 But you signed up for this, now you've ripped off the waiver 564 00:51:54,927 --> 00:51:59,387 I thought you said you want this 565 00:51:59,387 --> 00:52:02,107 I thought you knew what you wanted 566 00:52:02,107 --> 00:52:07,147 If you've changed your mind then tell me 567 00:52:07,147 --> 00:52:15,307 So present but keeping your distance at the same time 568 00:52:15,307 --> 00:52:19,687 So close I can feel your breath 569 00:52:19,687 --> 00:52:21,747 All my yokes 570 00:52:21,747 --> 00:52:26,907 I've got a joke, don't let go of me 571 00:52:26,907 --> 00:52:34,407 My love's not in the design of your perfect little mind 572 00:52:51,747 --> 00:53:21,087 I, I, uh, 573 00:53:21,087 --> 00:53:28,687 One of the things that I did when we were driving up to Pennsylvania was, you know, over the past year or so, 574 00:53:28,747 --> 00:53:32,007 I've been culminating what songs I'd want to record for my next project. 575 00:53:32,587 --> 00:53:36,527 And it's in my little disco playlist, and I'm, like, sending it out to people, like, seeing, 576 00:53:36,667 --> 00:53:38,267 hey, what songs do you gravitate towards? 577 00:53:38,367 --> 00:53:39,047 What do you think of this? 578 00:53:39,087 --> 00:53:39,707 What do you think of that? 579 00:53:39,947 --> 00:53:43,847 And so my mom and I listened to it because my mom hadn't had a chance to kind of listen through everything. 580 00:53:44,807 --> 00:53:49,027 And so, and I wonder how you feel about this, too. 581 00:53:49,027 --> 00:53:55,347 so I there's about 13 songs in there right now that I think are the best of what I've written 582 00:53:55,347 --> 00:54:01,767 in the past year year and a half or so um that I know they're either basically ready to record 583 00:54:01,767 --> 00:54:07,267 or they need some zhuzhing but there's a lot of potential to have that be um on a cohesive 584 00:54:07,267 --> 00:54:16,547 yeah project and I find myself constantly towing this line of and probably not really towing it 585 00:54:16,547 --> 00:54:21,147 more so as like landing on the selfish artist side where I'm like this is the best thing I've 586 00:54:21,147 --> 00:54:25,927 written and this is what I want to say and yada yada yada my mom kind of called me out she was 587 00:54:25,927 --> 00:54:31,027 like you know you were very selective about the songs that you you know put on this playlist like 588 00:54:31,027 --> 00:54:37,787 you have not only written 13 songs in the last year and a half like you've written for these 13 589 00:54:37,787 --> 00:54:42,287 you've written 50 others that are never going to see the light of day and she was like you know you 590 00:54:42,287 --> 00:54:48,167 write and I'd be curious to know if you've ever had a moment like this where she was like you write 591 00:54:48,167 --> 00:54:53,047 a lot of songs that you think are bad that if other people listen to them they would say no 592 00:54:53,047 --> 00:54:57,567 there's a lot of potential in there and so like it's it's walking this line of like I want to 593 00:54:57,567 --> 00:55:02,387 listen to other people and I don't just want to be so set in my ways as an artist but then it's 594 00:55:02,387 --> 00:55:08,007 towing that line of but I don't think this is the best thing that I've ever written and I don't think 595 00:55:08,007 --> 00:55:14,067 that this really fits with what I'm trying to say and so it's that it's it's how do you give and take 596 00:55:14,067 --> 00:55:20,527 where do you give and take as an artist especially when it comes to picking songs to record and put 597 00:55:20,527 --> 00:55:25,387 on a cohesive project like have you ever been called out like that being in in a sense of like 598 00:55:25,387 --> 00:55:30,787 hey there's more that you're not showing us why are you only being selective and showing us this 599 00:55:30,787 --> 00:55:39,807 yeah i i was showing because i'm a waitress the that's talked about every episode the people that 600 00:55:39,807 --> 00:55:46,387 i meet in said bar always interesting i was showing a producer like some of the songs that 601 00:55:46,387 --> 00:55:52,327 i was working on and i was only showing him like basically either the masters or the ones that were 602 00:55:52,327 --> 00:55:59,667 like basically young mixed a little bit like basically done and you're so good sorry right 603 00:55:59,667 --> 00:56:00,507 No, Costco. 604 00:56:00,947 --> 00:56:01,327 Love. 605 00:56:01,827 --> 00:56:02,067 Right? 606 00:56:03,947 --> 00:56:07,387 So I was showing him these songs, and he goes, 607 00:56:07,807 --> 00:56:10,407 well, can you show me some that aren't as, like, done? 608 00:56:10,707 --> 00:56:10,987 Yep. 609 00:56:11,587 --> 00:56:16,467 And I was like, okay, sure. 610 00:56:17,007 --> 00:56:20,167 And so I pulled up a few other ones that either didn't have, like, 611 00:56:20,187 --> 00:56:25,967 a second verse or were demos, because I still have a few demos 612 00:56:25,967 --> 00:56:27,507 that we haven't worked up yet. 613 00:56:27,507 --> 00:56:37,407 and he was like show people these and I mean it makes more sense because obviously you can see 614 00:56:37,407 --> 00:56:56,662 where you can go from there and it piques somebody else interest because they can see what they can add and yada yada yada yada but it was just an interesting tidbit to get from someone like you always have to show more cards than you than you think you should um that said like 615 00:56:56,662 --> 00:57:01,642 i don't know i think we're always going to be so self-conscious of our own art 616 00:57:01,642 --> 00:57:08,722 and there are songs that i still have in the catalog that like i showed jake and he's like 617 00:57:08,722 --> 00:57:15,082 you've had this done for years and you haven't brought it up once and i was like well because i 618 00:57:15,082 --> 00:57:24,902 you know it was it was old and he'll be like what i just he'll just kind of look at me and 619 00:57:24,902 --> 00:57:31,502 gibby there's another guy that will come in and gibby engineer like i carly yeah like my friend 620 00:57:31,502 --> 00:57:38,082 norah's cat gibby his nickname yeah he goes by gibby and he'll come in and look at stuff and he'll 621 00:57:38,082 --> 00:57:47,142 be like yeah that sounds good man you guys need to stop working on it because we'll sit and I'll 622 00:57:47,142 --> 00:57:53,742 put like harmonies or doubles or different things on there and we'll sit there and look at it and 623 00:57:53,742 --> 00:57:59,022 kind of frankenstein some stuff because I didn't like how I hit that note and yada yada yada or 624 00:57:59,022 --> 00:58:05,122 the drums are weird there or the echo or like we'll just nitpick and nitpick and nitpick and 625 00:58:05,122 --> 00:58:10,122 then gabby will come in and be like okay you guys need to go get food or something because you've 626 00:58:10,122 --> 00:58:16,402 sat there for at least two hours on the same section of the song yeah and now the rest of it 627 00:58:16,402 --> 00:58:26,802 sounds like bear bear just it just doesn't sound good yeah so get up walk around take a hike for a 628 00:58:26,802 --> 00:58:37,022 second and then come back to it yeah um yeah it's always interesting to like I know that you relate 629 00:58:37,022 --> 00:58:44,462 to this too like your notes app on your phone please don't ever look in there it is a wasteland 630 00:58:44,462 --> 00:58:49,862 the amount of things that I put in there just yesterday driving 10 hours back from DC um 631 00:58:49,862 --> 00:58:54,882 and it's like you look in a woman's notes app not even just a songwriter it's just a woman's 632 00:58:54,882 --> 00:59:03,322 notes app and like the amount of things that you will see that yeah is is uh you know presumpted 633 00:59:03,322 --> 00:59:12,122 by that's not a word whatever it is a word now um that is um followed by so much context within 634 00:59:12,122 --> 00:59:18,722 a woman's brain that like it makes so much sense like two words can make so much sense to us on the 635 00:59:18,722 --> 00:59:25,542 notes app but then you know the normal person is going to look at it and be like huh what yes the 636 00:59:25,542 --> 00:59:30,622 notes app continue with what you were about to say about the notes app no i mean the notes app is just 637 00:59:30,622 --> 00:59:42,242 a wild place yeah and going in and where ideas go to die songwriter purgatory oh my god the lists 638 00:59:42,242 --> 00:59:48,982 upon lists and lyric ideas that I have that just go in a graveyard. I literally, 639 00:59:49,262 --> 00:59:57,522 literally have a folder that's a graveyard icon that I have put lyrics in and songs in and things 640 00:59:57,522 --> 01:00:03,702 that I'm just like, this is gonna die. And then sometimes they will get resurrected. You go back 641 01:00:03,702 --> 01:00:10,182 in that folder and you go, what could I do here? It's almost like roulette in a way. Like one of 642 01:00:10,182 --> 01:00:14,462 the things I was looking for a song I wrote the other day for something I don't remember and I 643 01:00:14,462 --> 01:00:18,582 was typing in a line that I remembered from it and then I found a different line from a different 644 01:00:18,582 --> 01:00:24,602 note um from something not even remotely close to what I was looking for and I saw that and I was 645 01:00:24,602 --> 01:00:31,482 like huh that's really interesting have you ever gotten your notes up kind of on that same line 646 01:00:31,482 --> 01:00:37,122 you go in the search function and when you search something you see like five different songs that 647 01:00:37,122 --> 01:00:44,102 pop up and you said that like the same line oh interesting like I don't know if that's really 648 01:00:44,102 --> 01:00:50,302 happened to me well maybe a little bit not not like the same line but you could like a generic 649 01:00:50,302 --> 01:00:58,402 trying to work a kink out of a of a line no like I I was trying to search something search something 650 01:00:58,402 --> 01:01:06,682 and I searched let me go and like five different songs popped up 651 01:01:06,682 --> 01:01:09,862 because the word before it would be like don't let me go. 652 01:01:10,122 --> 01:01:12,742 And the next one was let me go now. 653 01:01:13,142 --> 01:01:15,962 And the next one was like please let me go. 654 01:01:16,242 --> 01:01:16,842 You know what I mean? 655 01:01:17,202 --> 01:01:18,462 Like all these different things light up. 656 01:01:18,622 --> 01:01:18,842 Definitely. 657 01:01:19,082 --> 01:01:20,022 And I was like oh my gosh. 658 01:01:20,742 --> 01:01:21,182 For sure. 659 01:01:21,182 --> 01:01:24,102 But yeah, I think. 660 01:01:24,102 --> 01:01:29,962 And one of the things that weirdly I was kind of thinking about the past couple of days is that, 661 01:01:30,262 --> 01:01:32,662 and this is kind of related, but kind of not related at all. 662 01:01:32,782 --> 01:01:38,322 Like, I think our writing as songwriters suffers when we forget to be inspired. 663 01:01:38,782 --> 01:01:38,982 Yeah. 664 01:01:38,982 --> 01:01:41,582 When we forget to be inspired by other music, particularly. 665 01:01:41,922 --> 01:01:43,202 I don't know if you've had this problem. 666 01:01:43,282 --> 01:01:45,562 And I don't know if like, I'm going to talk about this. 667 01:01:45,662 --> 01:01:49,002 We might end up cutting this out because I've never really known how to talk about this. 668 01:01:49,002 --> 01:01:58,922 um I have a really hard time listening to popular artists um who are around our age who have found a 669 01:01:58,922 --> 01:02:05,602 lot of success um like in in a way I have this this rule in my head where I'm like oh I can only 670 01:02:05,602 --> 01:02:10,802 listen to the new stuff that my like my lifelong favorite artists are putting out because that 671 01:02:10,802 --> 01:02:16,882 counts yeah in a way like and I'm self-aware enough to know that sometimes it's hard to listen 672 01:02:16,882 --> 01:02:23,742 to you know uber successful artists around our age um because of envy and you know jealousy for 673 01:02:23,742 --> 01:02:29,142 lack of a better term like the olivia rodrigo song jealousy jealousy um and so i don't know 674 01:02:29,142 --> 01:02:34,962 do you go through that where like you have a hard time listening i mean there are people that 675 01:02:34,962 --> 01:02:44,762 it's harder for me to compare myself to like tate mccray or sabrina carpenter or 676 01:02:44,762 --> 01:02:53,782 um jesse murph even like people that are our age that are at that level of success because i look 677 01:02:53,782 --> 01:02:59,882 at that and i go that's labels that's all a different game yeah it's the people that i 678 01:02:59,882 --> 01:03:06,262 went to college with or went to high school with there was like a actual connection with yes there 679 01:03:06,262 --> 01:03:16,002 was an actual connection with that you look at and you go oh my gosh we have been in the same room 680 01:03:16,002 --> 01:03:22,422 for classes for so many different things for all these things and they used their opportunities 681 01:03:22,422 --> 01:03:30,482 way better than I did and it's not so much as envy of how far they've gone because I'm so 682 01:03:30,482 --> 01:03:36,222 incredibly proud like there are so many people that I look at and I'm like oh my gosh you deserve 683 01:03:36,222 --> 01:03:44,002 it you're so incredibly talented yeah and you did that yeah it's the shame of me not being able to 684 01:03:44,002 --> 01:03:49,982 do the same thing that haunts me interesting so that's what I'm working towards yeah being able 685 01:03:49,982 --> 01:03:56,262 to build those opportunities again and get to where people that I respect have gotten to yeah 686 01:03:56,262 --> 01:04:02,222 but I don't know if it's the same thing with like Tate McRae or Sabrina Carpenter it's interesting 687 01:04:02,222 --> 01:04:07,742 like I feel like I have that problem all across the board with the major label artists like the 688 01:04:07,742 --> 01:04:12,422 Sabrinas and the Tates and then even the you know kind of the local artists in Nashville who are 689 01:04:12,422 --> 01:04:18,082 bubbling up I feel like I have a little bit of both sort of the envy and then sort of the 690 01:04:18,082 --> 01:04:23,642 the and I've talked about this in therapy like not even like the warranted shame because I don't 691 01:04:23,642 --> 01:04:27,742 and for me I don't know if shame is the right word it's more of this like 692 01:04:27,742 --> 01:04:34,002 and I don't know this is a whole other conversation we could get into but this idea of we all know 693 01:04:34,002 --> 01:04:39,102 that the music industry is incredibly predatory and we listened to Hayley Williams did a great 694 01:04:39,102 --> 01:04:45,082 podcast um with the with the podcast guys who like that's the New York Times music kind of pop 695 01:04:45,082 --> 01:04:49,562 culture podcast we listened to that when we were growing up and it was incredible and you know she 696 01:04:49,562 --> 01:04:55,022 was definitely talking about deconstructing Paramore's success like you deconstruct a religion 697 01:04:55,022 --> 01:04:59,082 yeah which I thought was really interesting because I've had to do that with some of my 698 01:04:59,082 --> 01:05:05,562 favorite artists like that I built so much of my personality and my career and my wants 699 01:05:05,562 --> 01:05:10,722 off of that like it was a religion like I've kind of had to deconstruct a lot of that too but 700 01:05:10,722 --> 01:05:17,982 there's almost this idea of like okay I know that I should not want to be taken advantage of by the 701 01:05:17,982 --> 01:05:24,642 music industry but it's I have this idea of well am I not good enough to be exploited in the first 702 01:05:24,642 --> 01:05:33,282 place which like that we might have to cut this whole thing because it's so like no i i get it 703 01:05:33,282 --> 01:05:37,602 and i think that's so funny because i think everybody everybody has been there it's like 704 01:05:37,602 --> 01:05:45,802 come on like i'm i'm not good enough to at least get an offer like at least you don't want to take 705 01:05:45,802 --> 01:05:51,442 advantage of me 360 to you like at least try to give it to me at least give me the option of the 706 01:05:51,442 --> 01:05:56,262 360 deal nobody's even giving me the option of being taken advantage of i don't even have that 707 01:05:56,262 --> 01:06:03,062 option right now i think that's so funny yeah yeah i i've definitely hit that or it's like 708 01:06:03,062 --> 01:06:11,862 i don't even have the option of being fucked yeah no exactly and like my brain cannot reconcile like 709 01:06:11,862 --> 01:06:17,862 with the sabrinas and the tates like i logically i know that there is you know years of dance moms 710 01:06:17,862 --> 01:06:22,002 and Disney Channel behind those that have fed into where they're at now 711 01:06:22,002 --> 01:06:24,702 that like we just didn't have because we weren't on, you know, 712 01:06:24,922 --> 01:06:27,722 beloved family-friendly TV shows, which like Dance Moms, 713 01:06:27,862 --> 01:06:29,762 I don't know how family-friendly that was at times. 714 01:06:29,922 --> 01:06:30,422 Or beloved. 715 01:06:30,742 --> 01:06:31,462 Yeah, literally. 716 01:06:32,382 --> 01:06:46,596 But yeah so my brain just cannot reconcile this idea of I still think that it was organic and like we me and the Sabrinas and the Tates have had the same trajectory not trajectory but we had a similar journey 717 01:06:46,756 --> 01:06:48,436 So then why is it working for them? 718 01:06:48,436 --> 01:06:50,936 And it's not working for me 719 01:06:50,936 --> 01:06:53,956 when logically I know that there is labels, 720 01:06:54,616 --> 01:06:56,356 years of fame behind them, 721 01:06:57,176 --> 01:06:58,516 lots of marketing dollars 722 01:06:58,516 --> 01:07:01,836 and a million other things behind the scenes 723 01:07:01,836 --> 01:07:02,816 that we don't even know about. 724 01:07:02,956 --> 01:07:05,016 But it's just that like, 725 01:07:05,196 --> 01:07:11,276 yeah disconnect that I cannot reconcile in my brain for the life of me yeah and I think 726 01:07:11,276 --> 01:07:21,656 that also comes from we had different schooling backgrounds as well yeah so where you see 727 01:07:21,656 --> 01:07:28,256 somebody in your field and compare um I see somebody in my field compare in a different way 728 01:07:28,256 --> 01:07:35,116 yeah and but we all struggle with the comparison beast just in different ways oh 100 like and the 729 01:07:35,116 --> 01:07:42,916 thing is um like okay every girl is gonna understand this when you're in middle school 730 01:07:42,916 --> 01:07:52,316 there's always that girl that is the sweetest nicest talented amazing person beautiful all 731 01:07:52,316 --> 01:07:59,236 the people want her and you want to hate her so badly because you're like oh my gosh how can you 732 01:07:59,236 --> 01:08:05,916 be good at everything and everybody loves you yeah and you're like oh but you can't can't because 733 01:08:05,916 --> 01:08:15,456 they are just genuinely that person that's how the that's how i feel about a good amount of people 734 01:08:15,456 --> 01:08:22,696 i've met in the music industry um where you're like oh my gosh i want to not like you yeah because 735 01:08:22,696 --> 01:08:28,836 you're so good you're so talented you're very nice you're very all of these things but you kind of 736 01:08:28,836 --> 01:08:33,876 have to be like okay well that's me being jealous that's my own insecurity that's my own insecurity 737 01:08:33,876 --> 01:08:42,576 coming out there definitely um but that's all a part of networking and being a musician in 738 01:08:42,576 --> 01:08:47,236 Nashville as well it's kind of like okay now you need to swallow your pride a tiny bit 739 01:08:47,236 --> 01:08:56,136 and you need to go out there and meet the people yeah definitely the music industry is just a big 740 01:08:56,136 --> 01:09:02,936 mind fuck a lot of the time yeah but on a different note one of the other things that we kind of wanted 741 01:09:02,936 --> 01:09:10,236 to talk about which is sort of music industry related slash also world news related so um have 742 01:09:10,236 --> 01:09:18,276 you seen the um no music for genocide initiative that's been happening i have not okay so i think 743 01:09:18,276 --> 01:09:25,876 this is an incredible thing that has happened i saw it because my lord and savior hailey williams 744 01:09:25,876 --> 01:09:33,156 posted about it on her Instagram story. It's an initiative of a couple of, I don't know who 745 01:09:33,156 --> 01:09:39,136 exactly started it, if it's, you know, industry people behind it, or if it's just fans behind it, 746 01:09:39,156 --> 01:09:47,996 or just people who have prior music industry ties. It's a coalition of people who are saying, 747 01:09:48,216 --> 01:09:54,436 if you do not want your music to be played in Israel right now, we can give you the ability 748 01:09:54,436 --> 01:09:56,416 to geo-block your music on Spotify. 749 01:09:57,096 --> 01:10:01,276 So the oppressive regime in Israel 750 01:10:01,276 --> 01:10:04,536 and the people in Israel cannot listen to 751 01:10:04,536 --> 01:10:06,256 or digest their music in solidarity 752 01:10:06,256 --> 01:10:08,956 with what's happening in Gaza and in Palestine right now, 753 01:10:09,036 --> 01:10:10,516 which is incredible. 754 01:10:10,736 --> 01:10:12,496 And in the past week or so, 755 01:10:12,536 --> 01:10:16,236 it's really been, I think, catching on a lot more movement. 756 01:10:16,396 --> 01:10:17,616 Like a week or so ago when I looked at it, 757 01:10:17,616 --> 01:10:21,416 it was like Rina Sawayama, Hayley Williams was on it, 758 01:10:21,416 --> 01:10:29,036 But now like people like Lord are, you know, saying you can't find my music on Spotify in Israel in support, in solidarity. 759 01:10:29,036 --> 01:10:32,896 Like we're standing up for the injustices of what's happening to everybody in Palestine. 760 01:10:33,236 --> 01:10:36,016 And I love this. I think this is incredible. 761 01:10:36,016 --> 01:10:45,956 one thing that I'm thinking is that if artists are coming to the realization that in our way 762 01:10:45,956 --> 01:10:51,496 the way that we're going to protect the people in Palestine is by saying you the the um the people 763 01:10:51,496 --> 01:10:55,676 in Israel can't listen to our music if we're standing up for the people in Palestine I think 764 01:10:55,676 --> 01:11:00,996 it's only a matter of time until we start to say as artists we need to stand up for ourselves and 765 01:11:00,996 --> 01:11:07,376 I wonder if this is going to lead to a mass exodus of artists leaving Spotify entirely 766 01:11:07,376 --> 01:11:11,416 saying, you can't not just find my music on Spotify in Israel. 767 01:11:11,556 --> 01:11:13,936 You can't find my music on Spotify at all. 768 01:11:13,996 --> 01:11:18,396 Because if we're realizing that we need to stand up for the people in Palestine, we also 769 01:11:18,396 --> 01:11:21,876 at some point need to realize that we need to stand up for ourselves and say that Spotify 770 01:11:21,876 --> 01:11:23,736 is taking advantage of our music. 771 01:11:23,956 --> 01:11:26,476 And this initiative was not even started by Spotify. 772 01:11:26,476 --> 01:11:29,776 It's an entirely third party group of people. 773 01:11:29,776 --> 01:11:37,696 and I think you can geoblock on other streaming services as well probably Amazon probably Apple 774 01:11:37,696 --> 01:11:43,596 Music and whatnot but I just think that it's an incredible initiative and I hope that it leads to 775 01:11:43,596 --> 01:11:49,836 artists being like oh you know yeah you can't find my music on Spotify in Israel maybe you 776 01:11:49,836 --> 01:11:54,756 shouldn't be able to find my music on Spotify at all because we need to stand up for ourselves 777 01:11:54,756 --> 01:12:00,676 as well because we see the value in standing up for the people in Palestine and artists we've 778 01:12:00,676 --> 01:12:06,316 talked about this so much on this podcast artists do a terrible job of not really I don't know if 779 01:12:06,316 --> 01:12:10,096 that's fair to say I was about to say artists do a terrible job of standing up for themselves I 780 01:12:10,096 --> 01:12:14,216 don't know if that's the case I think that the music industry does a terrible job of standing 781 01:12:14,216 --> 01:12:18,576 up for artists and so I think if nobody else is going to stand up for artists we should stand up 782 01:12:18,576 --> 01:12:23,196 for ourselves and I'm just curious to see if it's going to lead to you know people saying can't find 783 01:12:23,196 --> 01:12:26,496 my music at all like we were talking a couple weeks ago king gizzard and the lizard wizard 784 01:12:26,496 --> 01:12:32,456 left you can't find Joni Mitchell you can't find Garth Brooks on Spotify like I don't we might be 785 01:12:32,456 --> 01:12:38,916 getting to a point where you know the little indie artists are getting to a point of like yeah no you 786 01:12:38,916 --> 01:12:44,196 can't find my music on Spotify and now we have options of like where you can find our music like 787 01:12:44,196 --> 01:12:49,216 Spotify and Wave Lake also shout out Sam Means who was on the tonight show this week with his 788 01:12:49,216 --> 01:12:55,136 uh band the format they were on jimmy jimmy fallon the other night he's um i didn't see that so he's 789 01:12:55,136 --> 01:13:02,016 in a band with nate roos um who was in fun um and i i knew that in the back of my mind and that was 790 01:13:02,016 --> 01:13:06,496 something that i remember learning when i first got into the whole you know bitcoin you know 791 01:13:06,496 --> 01:13:10,756 adjacent world and wave like a couple years ago and i i knew that he was in a band with nate roos 792 01:13:10,756 --> 01:13:15,336 and they're having a whole revival moment right now and they just um played like their comeback 793 01:13:15,336 --> 01:13:19,696 single on Jimmy Fallon the other night and it was really cool so shout out Sam Means that's so 794 01:13:19,696 --> 01:13:27,576 exciting that's awesome that was a lot of yapping hey well I don't know if you've been paying 795 01:13:27,576 --> 01:13:37,736 attention to the news recently yeah um I definitely was tracking the Sumud flotilla yeah um so 796 01:13:37,736 --> 01:13:47,376 interesting to see how they stopped and collected people boats places and genuinely were trying to 797 01:13:47,376 --> 01:13:54,156 do a humanitarian aid yeah mission and were stopped in international waters by the way yes 798 01:13:54,156 --> 01:14:02,996 which is illegal yeah and greta tunberg being one of the people stopped my hero she's just so 799 01:14:02,996 --> 01:14:12,356 incredible she is I mean she has gotten so much slack for so many different things that 800 01:14:12,356 --> 01:14:19,476 I couldn't even tell you why no I think people see somebody like that who is genuinely like 801 01:14:19,476 --> 01:14:26,176 I think with young people today who are in the public eye we have this connotation that so many 802 01:14:26,176 --> 01:14:31,336 of them are doing it for fame or we're doing it for accolades or we're doing it to have money or 803 01:14:31,336 --> 01:14:35,956 whatnot because like we're if we're if you're going into the entertainment industry like you 804 01:14:35,956 --> 01:14:40,596 can assume that somebody is all we've we've got an agenda but with somebody like Greta Thunberg 805 01:14:40,596 --> 01:14:45,596 she reminds me so much of one of my best friends Anya and I think I've I've talked to Anya about 806 01:14:45,596 --> 01:14:54,156 Greta Thunberg she's just like driven by nothing other than justice justice and wanting the world 807 01:14:54,156 --> 01:14:56,376 to be better than how she found it. 808 01:14:56,816 --> 01:14:58,696 And she is an inspiration. 809 01:14:59,276 --> 01:15:00,656 But yeah, no, continue. 810 01:15:01,476 --> 01:15:06,796 No, I mean, I think it's interesting to see how she's been treated. 811 01:15:06,956 --> 01:15:09,656 It's horrible to see how she's been treated in Israel. 812 01:15:10,636 --> 01:15:13,496 Like reading the reports where she was tortured 813 01:15:13,496 --> 01:15:17,656 and made to kiss the Israeli flag. 814 01:15:18,736 --> 01:15:23,836 And I think her being such a voice for climate change, 815 01:15:23,836 --> 01:15:28,036 Like the past few years, like we know her as being the very outspoken child. 816 01:15:28,336 --> 01:15:28,956 Yeah, definitely. 817 01:15:29,176 --> 01:15:34,436 And then she grew up and now she's being tortured in a country for delivering humanitarian aid. 818 01:15:34,816 --> 01:15:39,996 Like it's crazy to see what our news cycles are also going to catch on. 819 01:15:40,116 --> 01:15:40,796 Yeah, definitely. 820 01:15:41,096 --> 01:15:42,636 And seeing the headlines like. 821 01:15:42,636 --> 01:15:51,016 the most infuriating thing about it is seeing the headlines from certain 822 01:15:51,016 --> 01:15:57,596 news agencies that are like swedish teen outcry for attention 823 01:15:57,596 --> 01:16:05,356 like whoa are we so far gone as a society that we see somebody genuinely trying to do a good 824 01:16:05,356 --> 01:16:10,536 thing for humanity and we think that they are asking for attention for themselves well and 825 01:16:10,536 --> 01:16:13,976 And what doubled down for me is that when she got interviewed, 826 01:16:14,296 --> 01:16:17,756 when she got back, when asked about her treatment, 827 01:16:18,276 --> 01:16:19,776 she completely deflected. 828 01:16:20,316 --> 01:16:22,076 She was like, I don't want it to be about me. 829 01:16:22,396 --> 01:16:22,596 Yeah. 830 01:16:22,856 --> 01:16:26,576 She completely deflected and was essentially like, 831 01:16:27,116 --> 01:16:41,850 we cannot overlook what going on in Palestine and what happening on the Gaza Strip Yeah Right now Right now Like we cannot ignore that and we need to continue to try to get humanitarian aid there 832 01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:43,290 as soon as possible. 833 01:16:43,530 --> 01:16:43,730 Yeah. 834 01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:47,470 And talking about me is not going to bring aid to them. 835 01:16:47,470 --> 01:16:54,630 So, like, she completely took it off of herself, which, I mean, if you were doing that for 836 01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:56,750 attention, you would milk that. 837 01:16:57,310 --> 01:16:58,050 Oh, absolutely. 838 01:16:58,050 --> 01:17:04,150 milked at being tortured are you kidding yeah i mean i think and as anyone else as that sounds 839 01:17:04,150 --> 01:17:09,310 yeah if you're looking at that from strictly to get attention yeah you got it yeah that was your 840 01:17:09,310 --> 01:17:16,730 time and place to get that and she completely deflected yeah i mean she is an inspiration and 841 01:17:16,730 --> 01:17:22,990 she is i mean she's right like she wouldn't i think if she was sitting here with us she would 842 01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:26,810 be like why are you talking about me right why aren't you talking about what's happening in in 843 01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:33,710 Palestine but no I mean one of the other um I I'm fairly certain and I was traveling this week so I 844 01:17:33,710 --> 01:17:37,910 didn't get to read up on it as much as I would want to but I'm fairly certain that there was 845 01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:46,690 another flotilla that um didn't that got decimated and that I think um everyone or a bunch of people 846 01:17:46,690 --> 01:17:53,970 on board were really injured if not killed in action but um I did see something really inspiring 847 01:17:53,970 --> 01:18:00,370 and hopeful from that other flotilla um they were trying to get food into gaza and they got a giant 848 01:18:00,370 --> 01:18:07,690 net of fish to people on the strip and so i i just saw something where you know that flotilla was 849 01:18:07,690 --> 01:18:11,490 trying to feed the people in gaza and they might not have been able to do it themselves but they 850 01:18:11,490 --> 01:18:16,690 did end up you know helping bring food and aid to gaza and i thought that was it's heartbreaking 851 01:18:16,690 --> 01:18:23,250 and it's very inspiring at the same time i don't yeah i don't want to correct you because i don't 852 01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:28,530 know if i have the right information but i think i don't think it was the fattila that got them the 853 01:18:28,530 --> 01:18:35,150 nets i'm fairly certain it was just they have not allowed the palestinian people to fish yeah that 854 01:18:35,150 --> 01:18:49,510 has been part of this whole whole thing yeah and by distracting the israeli forces and having so 855 01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:56,450 many things going on outside than not being able to watch essentially the people of Palestine. 856 01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:56,990 Yeah. 857 01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:58,350 They were able to fish. 858 01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:58,710 Yeah. 859 01:18:58,770 --> 01:19:02,550 I think that's a, that is a better way to describe what happened for sure. 860 01:19:02,670 --> 01:19:07,130 They were able to fish while Israeli forces were distracted. 861 01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:07,730 Yeah. 862 01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:14,870 And they were still able to feed the Palestinian people through other means, even if they weren't 863 01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:15,850 able to get the aid. 864 01:19:16,150 --> 01:19:16,410 Yeah. 865 01:19:16,410 --> 01:19:35,730 Which, I mean, I don't really claim to be religious often, but there's a verse that I remember reading as a kid where I can't say a word for word, but essentially the thing of it is God will always provide, never doubt. 866 01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:42,570 And even if it isn't in the way that you think it will be provided, it will always be provided. 867 01:19:42,570 --> 01:19:42,930 Yeah. 868 01:19:42,930 --> 01:19:49,770 and it just kind of and I saw somebody reference that verse when talking about it and I was like 869 01:19:49,770 --> 01:19:56,030 oh like that just brought me back to my childhood religion because childhood religion to me is so 870 01:19:56,030 --> 01:20:00,830 different than what religion has become yeah as somebody who didn't grow up religious I think 871 01:20:00,830 --> 01:20:06,750 looking at it with an outsider's perspective childhood religion I think is what religion 872 01:20:06,750 --> 01:20:15,430 should be it's the most basic and core principles and you know talking about like explaining those 873 01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:21,090 principles the way that you would explain it to a five-year-old love your neighbor you know god's 874 01:20:21,090 --> 01:20:25,730 gonna provide or i'm very much not religious so i don't know how to eloquently say that but no 875 01:20:25,730 --> 01:20:33,270 you're doing a great job you're doing a great job i mean it's it's just the basics of god is love 876 01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:41,530 and if what you are doing is within love you are doing what god wants you to be doing so i mean 877 01:20:41,530 --> 01:20:47,050 that's just how i kind of live my life yeah or at least i try to girl i have had my times and i 878 01:20:47,050 --> 01:20:52,330 have scarred many people and i apologize and we've had our convos but that's a different story that's 879 01:20:52,330 --> 01:21:01,510 okay so all of that said like it's interesting i keep on saying interesting because it's a good 880 01:21:01,510 --> 01:21:11,130 filler word for me to think about what I want to say um but I love that even though they were not 881 01:21:11,130 --> 01:21:16,710 able to be given aid like the Palestinian people were still given the ability to feed each other 882 01:21:16,710 --> 01:21:24,010 yeah and get some morsel of food yeah after all this time and go in the water think about it yeah 883 01:21:24,010 --> 01:21:31,370 like that for me as somebody who grew up by the ocean I feel and again I'm not religious but 884 01:21:31,370 --> 01:21:38,290 Like when I'm in the water, when I see the beach, that's when I feel whatever the greater power is for me. 885 01:21:38,290 --> 01:21:39,970 And like I'm a very spiritual person. 886 01:21:40,090 --> 01:21:46,290 I wouldn't I would never really categorize myself as religious because I have a big problem with a lot of religion. 887 01:21:46,430 --> 01:21:48,530 And that's a whole other episode that we could talk about. 888 01:21:48,650 --> 01:22:00,350 But and so I cannot imagine the the relief and the probably the bittersweet feelings that those Palestinians felt like being able to go in the water. 889 01:22:00,790 --> 01:22:00,970 Yeah. 890 01:22:01,370 --> 01:22:08,110 for the first time in a while like and it's crazy that we had to have like somebody like 891 01:22:08,110 --> 01:22:15,750 Greta Thunberg go on this botella and other I mean there was a person from the English parliament 892 01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:22,190 that was on the botella um and I don't know exactly what boats they were on 893 01:22:22,190 --> 01:22:29,850 um but I'm trying to think of the stories that I've seen yeah um or like throwing phones off 894 01:22:29,850 --> 01:22:37,610 about when Israeli forces got there yeah like it's just crazy to also see this in real time 895 01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:46,490 yeah because we've heard history like well we've heard things in history about this yeah but never 896 01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:52,970 has this happened never has it happened so blatantly in front of us and nobody and it's 897 01:22:52,970 --> 01:22:59,510 gone unchecked yeah I it's interesting that came out so wordy but no that's what I mean I totally 898 01:22:59,510 --> 01:23:04,950 know what you meant and it makes me think like there's that saying of history is written by the 899 01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:11,930 winners or you know whatever the correct way to say that term is I wonder 50 years from now when 900 01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:17,650 we're grandmas and you know most of modern history that we're living through has passed 901 01:23:17,650 --> 01:23:23,450 I wonder what the history books that are going to be written about today will say 902 01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:31,750 I don't know if I have an answer for that but I don't know and it makes me wonder about when 903 01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:37,410 our grandparents told us oh it didn't happen like that what are you talking about yeah and then we 904 01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:41,330 were learning about it and going what do you mean no it's in the book like well it didn't happen 905 01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:46,830 like that yeah well you tell us how it happened right yeah well then I tell you we're gonna be 906 01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:51,250 the one saying that's not how it happened if you know the history books are written by the quote 907 01:23:51,250 --> 01:23:55,490 winners I don't know we don't know who the winners are today because I think everybody 908 01:23:55,490 --> 01:24:01,210 every country is in a battle for its life right now it seems like and so yeah I mean only time 909 01:24:01,210 --> 01:24:05,870 will tell about like who the winners are going to be and if you know we read these history books in 910 01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:10,510 50 years and if we two young women who are living through this right now are we going to look at it 911 01:24:10,510 --> 01:24:14,810 and say yeah that's a good representation of what happened or are we going to be the ones saying it 912 01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:19,410 didn't happen like that and then it goes back I'm guessing is we'll be the ones saying it didn't 913 01:24:19,410 --> 01:24:27,270 happen like that yeah and then i that goes back to you know how his how real history can can die 914 01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:32,150 for lack of a better term because if we are the ones saying oh it didn't happen like that and then 915 01:24:32,150 --> 01:24:38,350 we don't tell you know our metaphorical grandchildren how it did happen and then they don't pass it 916 01:24:38,350 --> 01:24:44,570 along like i don't know this that's a big existential conversation i mean that's how a 917 01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:50,350 lot of things have gotten lost yeah in america as well with so many different cultures yeah 918 01:24:50,350 --> 01:24:55,710 has gotten whitewashed yeah and greater world history like think of all the things that we 919 01:24:55,710 --> 01:25:03,130 don't know happened in in the world i mean sure we have a good idea but for the most part that's 920 01:25:03,130 --> 01:25:10,050 probably not how it happened craziness absolutely well one thing that i was just thinking of 921 01:25:10,050 --> 01:25:17,650 as you were saying God is love and you were talking about that and we were talking about 922 01:25:17,650 --> 01:25:23,250 how I feel kind of like the greater all natural spirit when I'm in the water it reminded me of 923 01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:27,790 one of my favorite artists she put out a record this year called all things light her name is Cam 924 01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:35,290 and she has a song called turns out that I am God and I am not religious as I have said many times 925 01:25:35,290 --> 01:25:37,210 in the span of these past couple of minutes, 926 01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:40,410 but that is an incredible song, 927 01:25:40,530 --> 01:25:41,870 and I feel like that kind of, 928 01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:45,210 that song represents what we've been talking about right now. 929 01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:49,230 It's this idea of to channel your inner creativity 930 01:25:49,230 --> 01:25:53,310 and to forgive yourself and to take in the world around you. 931 01:25:54,210 --> 01:25:57,090 I'm God, you're God, we're all God. 932 01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:59,230 I think it's a beautiful song, 933 01:25:59,390 --> 01:26:03,930 and I would encourage everybody to go and listen to it. 934 01:26:05,290 --> 01:26:08,110 And read Abundance by Ezra Klein, that book I was talking about earlier. 935 01:26:08,210 --> 01:26:08,890 That was crazy. 936 01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:09,650 That was a good book. 937 01:26:11,090 --> 01:26:12,670 Well, thank you so much for listening. 938 01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:15,570 We will catch you next time. 939 01:26:15,690 --> 01:26:16,290 I'm Ainsley. 940 01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:17,690 I'm Katie. 941 01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:20,010 And yeah. 942 01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:21,210 Cheerio. 943 01:26:22,210 --> 01:26:23,790 Thanks for listening in the new house. 944 01:26:23,950 --> 01:26:24,290 Yeah. 945 01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:25,270 We'll see you next time.