1 00:00:00,660 --> 00:00:01,060 Hey! 2 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:02,480 Are you listening? 3 00:00:02,820 --> 00:00:03,100 Good. 4 00:00:03,260 --> 00:00:05,160 Now that we have your attention, welcome to... 5 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Drumroll, please. 6 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,360 The Snap! 7 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,240 A podcast by me, your host, Katie. 8 00:00:09,380 --> 00:00:10,360 And me, your host, Ainsley. 9 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:14,280 Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the 10 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,740 Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space. 11 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:20,700 As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around 12 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:21,820 a broken music industry. 13 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:24,680 Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space. 14 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:26,020 And thought, why not give it a try? 15 00:00:26,020 --> 00:00:31,000 In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far. 16 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,460 How that definition is changing. 17 00:00:32,740 --> 00:00:34,120 And where the space comes in. 18 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:38,000 We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix. 19 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:43,240 We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard. 20 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:44,380 We're so glad you're here. 21 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:45,320 So let's get to it. 22 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:49,660 So sometimes the metronome... 23 00:00:49,660 --> 00:00:49,960 Oh! 24 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,060 Sometimes the metronome will stay on. 25 00:00:53,740 --> 00:00:55,060 I think I turned it off. 26 00:00:55,060 --> 00:00:55,720 You turned it off. 27 00:00:55,780 --> 00:00:56,000 Good job. 28 00:00:56,020 --> 00:01:01,000 well there's gonna be a little clicks but hi everybody welcome back to the snap welcome back 29 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,600 it's me your host katie and your host ainsley season two episode two actually i need i've 30 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,900 realized that i need to stop saying oh this is whatever episode we're on because when i was 31 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:14,800 editing the first season we mix and match a lot of stuff so i would say oh this is episode three 32 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:21,900 but then it would be in episode seven yeah and it's like oh y'all didn't hear that y'all didn't 33 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:27,720 need to hear that but um we were talking just before we got on because i think we're real 34 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,980 podcasters now we have the problem of like we can't talk to each other we have to put it on the 35 00:01:31,980 --> 00:01:38,940 podcast true i think it's so funny too because nc and i will have like normal conversations but 36 00:01:38,940 --> 00:01:43,640 then our conversations on the podcasts are literally our normal conversations they are so 37 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,940 it's like what do you talk about while you're recording what do you talk about while you're 38 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:52,800 not recording yeah but we're still figuring it out we're still figuring we're like nope stop 39 00:01:52,800 --> 00:02:00,320 save it for the bod I would say real podcasters is relative like we're both real musicians you 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,740 know I mean exactly so everything is subjective absolutely but we were talking before we got on 41 00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:13,500 here about um this scotch that Katie got me when she was in Scotland now y'all have heard what my 42 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:19,700 reaction to scotch was when we were in Waco so it is beyond me why Miss Katie here thought that 43 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:28,840 I would like a scotch so okay my thinking is we so I went to Europe with my parents for 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,940 a few weeks they were going on this trip and I think I talked about it a little bit on the last 45 00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:43,100 podcast um and we were in scotland and this whiskey was left in one of our hotel rooms 46 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:50,360 and they said this is a very scottish whiskey um no it's not whiskey sorry excuse me scotch 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,720 aren't they the same thing i want to say they're like subdivisions of the same thing you know 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:02,020 different fonts different fonts yeah um like there's different types of bread but they're all 49 00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:12,060 bread um like that that's how i think about it um and i tasted it and i literally thought it was 50 00:03:12,060 --> 00:03:22,440 oil gasoline fluid that could make a car go room like i just i was like not for me so i brought 51 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:29,520 some back and i'm thinking okay this is like scottish scotch so somebody who likes scotch 52 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,060 is probably going to take this and be like whoa this is really good this is really authentic 53 00:03:34,060 --> 00:03:43,820 this is like crazy to me no to somebody else great so so i was gifting them because if i'm 54 00:03:43,820 --> 00:03:52,220 not going to enjoy it and somebody else can i'm gonna do that yeah so that's what i did and i 55 00:03:52,220 --> 00:03:58,820 also kind of wanted ainsley to try it just because i'm trying to expand expand ainsley's 56 00:03:58,820 --> 00:04:04,280 fall it is and kind of figure that out uh-huh which i mean we know it's not scotch and we know 57 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:11,820 it's not which i'm so sorry those were like terrible but okay in my defense you like a 58 00:04:11,820 --> 00:04:18,740 london fog i do you like herbal you like teas i do you like those things so in my mind gin 59 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:27,780 is very similar to that whiskey and scotch not so much but you know it's good to see what's up 60 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:33,220 it absolutely is and look we have to we have to get outside of our comfort zones every once in a 61 00:04:33,220 --> 00:04:40,120 while but the thing that I was going to say before um we started recording so I y'all didn't hear it 62 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,120 from me but I'm doing a music video in the next couple of weeks but you didn't hear it from me 63 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:51,720 and so we've had to be um that's crazy I know I can't wait to say more about it but we've been 64 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,740 set dressing it um for the past couple weeks like I'm collecting things I'm going to Goodwill 65 00:04:56,740 --> 00:05:01,860 because there's a very specific vibe and theme to this video that we're about to do and I'm not 66 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:06,900 going to say what song it is because I want you guys to be surprised um but long story short I 67 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:13,400 found these really cool whiskey glasses that look very um they almost look kind of Hunger Games 68 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:21,020 and also have you watched the Buccaneers yes yes so I was my mom and I just finished watching the 69 00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:26,560 second season last night and we were like oh this is kind of the vibe that we're going for just like 70 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,700 the way that they really decadently dress some of these parties um so I found these really cool 71 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:37,380 um scotch whiskey glasses because they're gonna be a prop um and I was like you know what let me 72 00:05:37,380 --> 00:05:44,400 try this scotch that Katie got me in these really nice scotch glasses that I just got and I was like 73 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:55,760 as cool as this makes me feel as as much as I feel like a 1700s oil rig millionaire smoking a cigar 74 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:02,780 I could not even swallow it still and I am really terribly sorry for it no don't be sorry do not be 75 00:06:02,780 --> 00:06:09,900 sorry um but I did use the the the salt and pepper that you gave me um when I was seasoning a steak 76 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:14,980 one night so I got I got some use out of some of them okay it's salt and pepper these things are 77 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:20,080 like little things from Spain um they were like little cha-cha dolls they were so cute is that 78 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:27,720 what they're called no cha-cha dolls i that's what my mind went to because they have a big 79 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:33,260 like dress and a big hat and it like it was it's just cute and like that's what yeah that's what 80 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:41,280 my room goes through it's probably not the correct verbiage but um so cute yeah but um speaking on 81 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:48,480 uh things from across the sea we should try katie brought back a candy of some sort that we were 82 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,480 from Scotland also from Scotland that we said we were going to try on the first episode back 83 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,180 that didn't happen because we recorded the first episode at my house and now we're back at Katie's 84 00:06:56,180 --> 00:07:02,300 and I was uncoordinated it was early I'm not a morning person neither am I do that's why we 85 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:10,600 we had a pretty significant Starbucks run this morning also let me tell you so I as Katie was 86 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:17,560 just saying a few minutes ago I am a tea fiend I love tea I have always drank tea over coffee like 87 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,280 Every once in a while, I'll have a coffee, like, if I just want to change it up. 88 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:22,960 But I love Earl Grey, Lundfogs. 89 00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:23,820 My perfume. 90 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:25,140 She likes matcha. 91 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:26,380 I love matcha. 92 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Is this a good thing or a bad thing? 93 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:30,320 I don't like matcha. 94 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,780 I thought you liked matcha. 95 00:07:32,380 --> 00:07:33,200 I, okay. 96 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:42,160 I feel like I'd like matcha in the term of if I had it, like, the original way. 97 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:43,020 You know what I mean? 98 00:07:43,020 --> 00:07:43,700 Mm-hmm. 99 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:50,640 like I think I would like it but that said every time I've tried matcha from Starbucks from a 100 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:56,240 different coffee place to me it just takes like leaves like you're drinking a salad which is fair 101 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:03,360 and that's that's just not my thing you know like I like sugary coffee and hey there's nothing wrong 102 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,680 with that there's absolutely nothing wrong with that but um I got I picked up Starbucks this 103 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,080 morning that Katie ordered she called me in the car and she was like hey what do you want and I 104 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,420 was like you know what i love matcha i really want to try a matcha frapp i haven't had a frappuccino 105 00:08:16,420 --> 00:08:22,300 since i was in middle school i forgot how sugary these things are yeah no frappuccinos are crazy 106 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:29,720 i have you had this before i haven't had the matcha frappuccino i've had so i grew up in a 107 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:36,160 very small town of vermont and the first time i had starbucks is when i was with but you can 108 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:43,740 pinpoint the first time you had starbucks yes well because i was like how old would i have been 109 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:53,140 it must have been like seventh grade because i was in show choir in burlington vermont which was 110 00:08:53,140 --> 00:08:59,700 an hour drive away and me and my friend sarah we would drive up there shout out sarah our parents 111 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:09,720 would switch off taking us and we would go to New York sometimes to perform or to just go see a show 112 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:18,600 like it was kind of support your fellow musicians and artists and yada yada yada so for whatever 113 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:28,080 reason we were in New York and I remember we went to the M&M place and there's a Starbucks like the 114 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:35,300 M&M store. Okay. And there's a Starbucks either in it or like right beside it. Uh-huh. And I had 115 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:40,200 told my friend I was like oh I've never had a frappuccino before. And she was like you've never 116 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:48,280 had a frappuccino? Yeah. And I was like no. The way that middle school girls will ride for a 117 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:53,900 frappuccino. I was like what the like I don't even know what that word is. Yeah. Like meanwhile 118 00:09:53,900 --> 00:09:56,640 I'm wearing jeans and a tractor sweatshirt. 119 00:09:56,860 --> 00:09:59,760 Like, I don't know what a Frappuccino is. 120 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:04,760 So she was like, sure, let's go to the Starbucks. 121 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:12,380 And that first time I had that Frappuccino, I was like, oh my gosh, coffee can be good. 122 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:17,440 The black bean juice that my parents have been drinking every morning. 123 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:18,600 The leaf water. 124 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:19,240 That's gross. 125 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,400 Bean juice and leaf water. 126 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,520 This is coffee. 127 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,740 like i was so confused i mean there's no coffee in frappuccinos there's like the frapp roast but 128 00:10:27,740 --> 00:10:34,200 i didn't know that you know so unimportant unimportant yeah and then when we moved to 129 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:40,300 arizona my grandma would sometimes drive me and my cousin to school okay and my cousin and i could 130 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:47,280 sometimes convince said grandma to stop for coffee uh-huh my grandma was such a push 131 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:54,860 what else i love her so much like i love her so much and she was just happy that we were all in 132 00:10:54,860 --> 00:11:02,600 the same place for a few years so it worked out but yeah starbucks is kind of you know i've had 133 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,760 the same order since eighth grade when we moved there you're always like sticking to the caramely 134 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:15,640 flavor profiles sometimes i'll branch out like recently i'll get something different but i've 135 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,840 pretty much gotten the same thing for a long time there is no shame in that i'm the same way with tea 136 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,820 like i it's rare when i get a coffee but i'm always kind of switching up the teas that i like 137 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:30,480 and this is coming from somebody who like my morning drink of preference is earl grey with 138 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:37,500 cashew milk cashew milk is interesting i've had that before i feel like do you make it or do you 139 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:55,105 get it i get it okay the silk the silk cashew milk is my girl so we about to try this candy that katie brought back from europe so it looks really good is i found it in a hotel room so i not gonna are 140 00:11:55,105 --> 00:11:59,045 there just like magical hotel room fairies in europe that are leaving chocolate and scotch 141 00:11:59,045 --> 00:12:07,205 so sometimes like at the end of your stay there will be just like something in the room like a 142 00:12:07,205 --> 00:12:16,025 chocolate or these are more like a tea biscuit so this was with like sometimes we stayed in a 143 00:12:16,025 --> 00:12:24,505 shit ton of hotels yes so i got pretty good at like looking for things in hotels because i'm like 144 00:12:24,505 --> 00:12:30,345 i want to see what y'all are leaving me go on the hunt yeah because i want to look for treasure like 145 00:12:30,345 --> 00:12:37,145 also i'm bored i kind of want a snack and i don't want to pay five bucks for chips in the 146 00:12:37,145 --> 00:12:45,445 mini-fridge. Exactly. So what else is there? And this was next to all of the tea and the coffee 147 00:12:45,445 --> 00:12:53,085 and it's Tunnock's milk chocolate coated caramel wafer biscuit. I'm so excited. And it's made in 148 00:12:53,085 --> 00:12:58,705 Scotland and it's best before November. So we're in the clear. We're good. We gotta go. We only 149 00:12:58,705 --> 00:13:02,565 have two more months to try this. Right. So do we, should we break it in half like a wishbone? 150 00:13:02,565 --> 00:13:12,685 yeah okay ready one two three okay rad that worked out pretty well okay okay it's okay 151 00:13:12,685 --> 00:13:15,725 one cheers cheers ASMR 152 00:13:15,725 --> 00:13:25,605 I'm into it it's a little bit old so give it some grace yep absolutely it is a little stale 153 00:13:25,605 --> 00:13:26,945 but I see the vision. Right. 154 00:13:27,365 --> 00:13:28,325 I get the vision. 155 00:13:29,325 --> 00:13:30,005 But I'm into it. 156 00:13:31,305 --> 00:13:33,565 The chocolate is definitely different 157 00:13:33,565 --> 00:13:34,005 over there. 158 00:13:35,305 --> 00:13:37,705 Have you ever had Belgian chocolate? 159 00:13:39,185 --> 00:13:39,765 That is 160 00:13:39,765 --> 00:13:41,485 the best chocolate I think that there is 161 00:13:41,485 --> 00:13:42,485 in the entire world. 162 00:13:43,445 --> 00:13:43,845 Absolutely. 163 00:13:45,045 --> 00:13:47,565 No, but that's fun. Thanks for bringing that back 164 00:13:47,565 --> 00:13:49,005 so we can try that together. Yeah, of course. 165 00:13:49,665 --> 00:13:50,085 It's 166 00:13:50,085 --> 00:13:52,085 interesting. 167 00:13:52,925 --> 00:13:54,625 Like, imagine 168 00:13:54,625 --> 00:14:05,245 those old wafer candies that you would get like from your grandma or find in your Halloween candy 169 00:14:05,245 --> 00:14:11,825 and you're like what are these imagine those but also layered with caramel yeah and then 170 00:14:11,825 --> 00:14:19,425 dunked in chocolate it's almost like a really crunchy um Ghirardelli caramel milk chocolate 171 00:14:19,425 --> 00:14:27,465 square yeah sort of it's the same profile it's not really the same like gooeyness chocolate 172 00:14:27,465 --> 00:14:38,005 chocolate review podcast food review hey coffee uh european snacks um but that was fun okay here's 173 00:14:38,005 --> 00:14:43,865 another thing that i want to tell you and talk about oh so i think we broached it a little bit 174 00:14:43,865 --> 00:14:51,845 last week. But so I went on a radio tour over the summer over both of our extensive travels. 175 00:14:52,145 --> 00:14:59,565 I went to Memphis, Jonesboro, and Chattanooga. And like I got to go in and do acoustic versions of 176 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:05,645 X-Less and kind of just have my first taste into like what an actual little radio tour is. 177 00:15:06,225 --> 00:15:09,945 And I'm not going to name any names. I just thought that this was so interesting. 178 00:15:09,945 --> 00:15:17,025 this was a piece of information that I found out at the last of the three stations that we visited 179 00:15:17,025 --> 00:15:26,565 so I was talking to the station programmer and he was telling me about this this festival that 180 00:15:26,565 --> 00:15:32,905 they host every year that they are kind of a sponsor of where they try to get kind of up and 181 00:15:32,905 --> 00:15:40,225 coming more like mid-size mid-level artists um to come in especially if it's artists and who have 182 00:15:40,225 --> 00:15:45,145 singles that have been played on their station that they've like have been in the active rotation 183 00:15:45,145 --> 00:15:50,785 um so he was telling me about um a couple years ago they were trying to put together this like 184 00:15:50,785 --> 00:15:56,605 annual festival and they wanted to get one of the artists um out to play who'd been on the station 185 00:15:56,605 --> 00:16:02,665 a bunch of times I think they'd done an interview with this artist um and based off of like 186 00:16:02,665 --> 00:16:07,265 I because I know who this artist is and I will tell you this after we're done I just don't want 187 00:16:07,265 --> 00:16:16,585 to name names and be like that girl we'll talk about it later okay um based off of what I know 188 00:16:16,585 --> 00:16:21,225 about this artist the the single that um the station programmer told me that they were playing 189 00:16:21,225 --> 00:16:29,405 at the time was like a really big song it was huge on TikTok huge um on the radio um and still like 190 00:16:29,405 --> 00:16:34,025 I still see that song kind of coming through and like the zeitgeist right now even though it 191 00:16:34,025 --> 00:16:39,745 kind of really had its moment in heyday a couple years ago so they had this um they wanted um to 192 00:16:39,745 --> 00:16:45,625 have this artist come out and play the festival so they reached out to the label directly and I kid 193 00:16:45,625 --> 00:16:50,325 you not the label said oh we'd love to have this artist come out and play your festival 194 00:16:50,325 --> 00:16:53,185 but they are not ready to perform live yet 195 00:16:53,185 --> 00:16:57,665 rewind 196 00:16:57,665 --> 00:17:06,625 say that one more time the label said to this radio station when it came to having this artist 197 00:17:06,625 --> 00:17:13,565 come out an artist that they signed that they are supposed to be developing and putting money behind 198 00:17:13,565 --> 00:17:19,805 making sure artists can perform live as well as just having like the social aspect the label said 199 00:17:19,805 --> 00:17:24,905 this artist that you want to come out even though we have signed them they are not ready to perform 200 00:17:24,905 --> 00:17:36,725 live yet that's crazy what else are labels supposed to be for like we are we cannot just 201 00:17:36,725 --> 00:17:44,425 be a music industry and that's also crazy for the same industry that made gail the girl who was 202 00:17:44,425 --> 00:17:54,485 i want to say 16 17 when who really only had experience making music in her room and maybe 203 00:17:54,485 --> 00:18:00,725 locally and then you put her on a taylor swift tour the same industry that did that which 204 00:18:00,725 --> 00:18:07,605 props to her absolutely opportunity absolutely but holy fuck can you imagine how much anxiety 205 00:18:07,605 --> 00:18:14,485 you have going from performing for you and your parents to a stadium waiting to take to see taylor 206 00:18:14,485 --> 00:18:22,885 swift oh my god the same industry that did that is saying that somebody that they've signed is not 207 00:18:22,885 --> 00:18:32,545 ready to play live that you've put a lot of energy times what money and tears into it 208 00:18:32,545 --> 00:18:37,405 when something like that happens i'm like i wonder if there was just something similar to where they 209 00:18:37,405 --> 00:18:43,525 were like not something somebody similar to where they were trying to pull because normally that's 210 00:18:43,525 --> 00:18:48,765 what happens is that there was something i keep on saying something but there was somebody similar 211 00:18:48,765 --> 00:18:58,305 to you or to whatever like I'm saying you as the general yeah I get it um and they wanted to take 212 00:18:58,305 --> 00:19:07,765 one of you off the market and it was just a 50 50 shot and kick rock sorry which yeah ouch yeah 213 00:19:07,765 --> 00:19:13,905 and if I'm not mistaken this artist again who I'm not gonna name names for because I do think that 214 00:19:13,905 --> 00:19:20,805 this is a very talented artist who makes good music um but this artist was really got their 215 00:19:20,805 --> 00:19:26,645 start on tiktok which as we know is how the labels are the labels are using tiktok as their 216 00:19:26,645 --> 00:19:32,365 discovery mechanism nowadays and everybody is suffering for it because you get these 16 17 18 217 00:19:32,365 --> 00:19:39,565 year old kids who think that playing a song acoustic by themselves in their bedroom to a camera 218 00:19:39,565 --> 00:19:46,305 equals performance experience and again I'm not saying that to discredit talent and hard work 219 00:19:46,305 --> 00:19:51,605 but they are two very different skill sets and I've this has been a trend with other artists who 220 00:19:51,605 --> 00:19:58,125 have been discovered via TikTok over the past couple of years um who you know a label has said 221 00:19:58,125 --> 00:20:04,765 oh you have some traction because of this viral song or you have 500,000 followers not necessarily 222 00:20:04,765 --> 00:20:09,325 because the art these artists have put in the work but just because they're having a moment 223 00:20:09,325 --> 00:20:15,145 behind them and these labels will put these artists on stage and then they're everybody 224 00:20:15,145 --> 00:20:22,345 is surprised when these artists can't pull it off live and I completely agree you know I love 225 00:20:22,345 --> 00:20:32,685 playing devil's advocate what I say to that is they're encouraging it because absolutely if you 226 00:20:32,685 --> 00:20:41,025 keep on doing the same thing picking from tiktok cherry picking the same sort of story 227 00:20:41,025 --> 00:20:48,825 with the same sort of virality you're forcing every musician that wants to have that same 228 00:20:48,825 --> 00:20:54,645 opportunity to do the same thing yeah or to figure out a different avenue but right now 229 00:20:54,645 --> 00:21:01,265 i mean there's artists that i used to play rounds with that have used tiktok that haven't seen 230 00:21:01,265 --> 00:21:07,425 anything in five years and the same people doing the same thing yeah are now playing openers for 231 00:21:07,425 --> 00:21:17,165 whatever artist you can think of so it's just such a shot in the dark yeah and it's 232 00:21:17,165 --> 00:21:24,285 it's terrible for the person that has worked very hard for this their whole life 233 00:21:24,285 --> 00:21:35,125 and the people then it's kind of like oh cool you posted a tiktok it blew up and you did it 234 00:21:35,125 --> 00:21:42,245 because you thought it was funny and now you have commercials and you have a song deal and you have 235 00:21:42,245 --> 00:21:47,745 all these different things which i don't know the exact stories of everybody so i can't assume 236 00:21:47,745 --> 00:21:52,645 and this isn't to say that any of the artists who have it have made it this way are not talented 237 00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:58,465 and hardworking that's not I think what I'm saying in the slightest it's just it's absolutely 238 00:21:58,465 --> 00:22:04,485 it's heartbreaking when artists and I mean I relate to this a lot too like I'm not a content 239 00:22:04,485 --> 00:22:10,905 creator I never wanted to be a content creator but I have spent you know 10 years of my life at 240 00:22:10,905 --> 00:22:14,765 this point cutting my teeth learning how to write songs and learning how to perform live and play 241 00:22:14,765 --> 00:22:22,245 with a band and then you you get into a situation like the one that I was in at the radio tour when 242 00:22:22,245 --> 00:22:29,425 the radio station told me this and there's not a way that you can walk out of that meeting and not 243 00:22:29,425 --> 00:22:37,485 feel defeated because somebody with more followers than you has a coveted spot that artists 244 00:22:37,485 --> 00:22:45,265 everywhere would kill for and they can't pull it off and I don't know if um the artist this artist 245 00:22:45,265 --> 00:22:50,185 who this station was talking about there was a pretty public performance of this artist where 246 00:22:50,185 --> 00:22:58,005 they got a lot of um public flack and criticism after like a televised performance which like 247 00:22:58,005 --> 00:23:03,265 that could be a lot of artists nowadays like it's kind of hard to like pinpoint who that is and i 248 00:23:03,265 --> 00:23:08,585 don't know if that performance was before or after um this encounter that um the station 249 00:23:08,585 --> 00:23:13,565 told me about um but it's it's so debilitating 250 00:23:20,185 --> 00:23:33,211 Stuff your claws in the bag Leave an old saying what time you had 251 00:23:33,211 --> 00:23:36,211 Go find the National Express 252 00:23:36,211 --> 00:23:38,211 Buy a ticket and you're on to the next 253 00:23:38,211 --> 00:23:40,211 It's a cold, cold night 254 00:23:40,211 --> 00:23:42,211 You're breathing smoke 255 00:23:42,211 --> 00:23:45,211 Oh girl, don't you choke 256 00:23:45,211 --> 00:23:48,211 You're giving too much away 257 00:23:48,211 --> 00:23:51,410 And that fucking nearly made you stay 258 00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:55,410 So why'd you run, girl? 259 00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:58,611 Why'd you run, girl? 260 00:23:58,611 --> 00:24:03,410 Salt your wounds no more 261 00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:08,011 Why'd you run, girl? 262 00:24:08,011 --> 00:24:11,211 Why'd you run, girl? 263 00:24:11,211 --> 00:24:17,011 Salt your wounds no more 264 00:24:18,211 --> 00:24:25,211 And I will run, and I will run 265 00:24:29,211 --> 00:24:32,211 You gave your heart to a mad door 266 00:24:32,211 --> 00:24:35,211 Drunk it dry, you left it on the floor 267 00:24:35,211 --> 00:24:38,211 There's never no safety net 268 00:24:38,211 --> 00:24:41,211 You gotta learn again, you gotta learn to forget 269 00:24:41,211 --> 00:24:45,211 And you close your eyes as you head for the cause 270 00:24:45,211 --> 00:24:51,211 I swear you like it most It's easy just to sink your vaults 271 00:24:51,211 --> 00:24:58,211 And ain't never us just how you broke So why to run, girl? 272 00:24:58,211 --> 00:25:01,211 Why to run, girl? 273 00:25:01,211 --> 00:25:06,211 I saw your wounds no more 274 00:25:06,211 --> 00:25:11,211 Then why to run, girl? 275 00:25:11,211 --> 00:25:14,211 Why to run, girl? 276 00:25:14,211 --> 00:25:21,211 I saw your wounds no more 277 00:25:32,211 --> 00:25:38,211 Why'd you fall apart so hard? 278 00:25:38,211 --> 00:25:41,211 I know you got tried to knock 279 00:25:41,211 --> 00:25:44,871 But don't blame it on me now 280 00:25:44,871 --> 00:25:50,691 And why'd you fall apart so hard? 281 00:25:51,051 --> 00:25:53,410 I know you got tried to none 282 00:25:53,410 --> 00:25:57,351 But don't blame it on me now 283 00:25:57,351 --> 00:26:00,831 Club trying your way to the stars 284 00:26:00,831 --> 00:26:04,251 You're finding out just what you are 285 00:26:04,251 --> 00:26:07,031 From one day to the next 286 00:26:07,031 --> 00:26:10,531 It's a string of lies, it's a string of sex 287 00:26:10,531 --> 00:26:13,991 And you can cry all you want, still nobody come 288 00:26:13,991 --> 00:26:16,670 No girl, this ain't no one 289 00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:19,331 Just remember when you're lying alone 290 00:26:19,331 --> 00:26:23,151 It's never for real, but the heart has no home 291 00:26:23,151 --> 00:26:26,691 So why'd you run, girl? 292 00:26:27,191 --> 00:26:29,771 Why'd you run, girl? 293 00:26:29,771 --> 00:26:34,871 So your wounds come on 294 00:26:34,871 --> 00:26:39,391 Why'd you run, girl? 295 00:26:39,391 --> 00:26:46,391 Why'd you run girl, saw your wounds no more? 296 00:26:46,391 --> 00:26:59,391 So why'd you run girl, why'd you run girl, saw your wounds no more? 297 00:26:59,391 --> 00:27:04,391 So why do you run, girl? 298 00:27:05,091 --> 00:27:07,391 Why do you run, girl? 299 00:27:07,391 --> 00:27:12,391 So you're no more 300 00:27:12,391 --> 00:27:18,191 And I will run 301 00:27:18,191 --> 00:27:21,591 And I will run 302 00:27:21,591 --> 00:27:27,711 Cause it's the only thing I've ever done 303 00:27:29,391 --> 00:27:38,111 but yeah so I just I remember walking out of that um that station that meeting even though 304 00:27:38,111 --> 00:27:42,331 it was lovely and I had a really great interaction with it I was like wow that's just so defeating 305 00:27:42,331 --> 00:27:47,851 so I wanted to tell you about that and get your thoughts on it yeah I mean 306 00:27:47,851 --> 00:27:55,031 yowzas I think I know who you're talking about I'm gonna pull it up on my phone um 307 00:27:55,031 --> 00:27:59,871 there's something to be said 308 00:27:59,871 --> 00:28:08,691 interesting okay this is what they were talking about okay gotcha i was thinking of a different 309 00:28:08,691 --> 00:28:12,891 person so it's interesting that this can be applied to a lot of different people a lot of 310 00:28:12,891 --> 00:28:23,351 different people um i think my thoughts are i can't hate the player i have to hate the game 311 00:28:23,351 --> 00:28:29,170 because at the end of the day we're both posting tiktoks trying to do the same thing yeah for sure 312 00:28:29,170 --> 00:28:37,451 and there is some sense of you're kind of waiting for it to happen 313 00:28:37,451 --> 00:28:46,711 and when i talk about people who have found fame on tiktok i have to catch myself whether i'm 314 00:28:46,711 --> 00:28:51,411 I'm envious or if I'm skeptical. 315 00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:52,651 Yeah. 316 00:28:53,111 --> 00:28:57,670 Because those things are very different but can go hand in hand. 317 00:28:57,791 --> 00:28:59,211 Yeah, they can absolutely live together. 318 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:00,111 So. 319 00:29:01,691 --> 00:29:03,651 Because also nothing is as it seems today. 320 00:29:03,651 --> 00:29:04,811 I kind of have to catch myself. 321 00:29:04,811 --> 00:29:12,491 So I can understand where, yes, people on TikTok are going to be given these insane opportunities right off the bat. 322 00:29:12,491 --> 00:29:19,591 because labels recognize that if you capitalize on that audience right away, 323 00:29:19,831 --> 00:29:21,311 you make a shit ton of money. 324 00:29:21,651 --> 00:29:22,170 Absolutely, yeah. 325 00:29:22,271 --> 00:29:24,511 So it's just, it's all a money game. 326 00:29:24,511 --> 00:29:30,211 And really, if you truly look at it, it's not even about them. 327 00:29:30,391 --> 00:29:31,191 No, it's not. 328 00:29:31,571 --> 00:29:31,691 Yeah. 329 00:29:31,871 --> 00:29:34,051 And they're as much a pawn as you are. 330 00:29:34,831 --> 00:29:38,091 And everybody is signed into their weird own deals. 331 00:29:38,531 --> 00:29:40,131 And I agree with you. 332 00:29:40,131 --> 00:29:44,631 It's so shitty that some people pop and some people don't. 333 00:29:44,871 --> 00:29:48,651 And it's just kind of one of those things. 334 00:29:49,131 --> 00:30:03,991 But if there's anything that I've learned about being in Nashville as well, like the music industry, as much as it is a scam, it is also one of those industries that you can make interesting amounts of money in the weirdest ways. 335 00:30:04,191 --> 00:30:04,331 Yeah. 336 00:30:04,331 --> 00:30:05,291 Like us. 337 00:30:05,291 --> 00:30:09,451 Yeah, that are going to come from different facets that you never would have expected. 338 00:30:10,131 --> 00:30:14,591 So it's all a give and a take and everybody has their own little avenue. 339 00:30:15,231 --> 00:30:16,291 But I would agree. 340 00:30:16,691 --> 00:30:18,430 It's shitty. 341 00:30:18,911 --> 00:30:21,771 Like TikTok having to be a content creator and a musician. 342 00:30:22,091 --> 00:30:23,811 And we didn't sign up to do both. 343 00:30:24,091 --> 00:30:24,151 No. 344 00:30:24,591 --> 00:30:29,231 But it's kind of how you have to market yourself in this world. 345 00:30:30,531 --> 00:30:32,071 And it sucks. 346 00:30:32,071 --> 00:30:35,471 And also like a thing to add to the TikTok conversation. 347 00:30:35,731 --> 00:30:36,531 Yeah, it is what it is. 348 00:30:36,531 --> 00:30:38,631 A thing to add to the TikTok conversation. 349 00:30:38,631 --> 00:30:47,631 And I'm glad that we're seeing a lot of, I think, artists starting to speak out about this and say, hey, this is not OK. 350 00:30:47,791 --> 00:30:49,011 And this is not what we signed up for. 351 00:30:49,291 --> 00:30:58,971 And it's also good to see that a lot of artists are recognizing that no, quote, viral moment happens organically anymore. 352 00:30:59,351 --> 00:31:03,051 TikTok doesn't function the way that it did five, six years ago when it first came out. 353 00:31:03,071 --> 00:31:06,711 And you actually did have people who would upload a video and it would get to a million views overnight. 354 00:31:06,711 --> 00:31:27,471 Right. You have to pay. That's why labels are are so, I think, bought into the tick tock game today, because you have to you have to spend upwards of one hundred to three, four, five hundred thousand dollars to have a quote viral moment nowadays. 355 00:31:27,471 --> 00:31:34,551 And that's where the marketing budget is going. And I think that's indicative of even radio, too. 356 00:31:34,651 --> 00:31:46,930 Like, I don't think labels are putting in the ad dollars to push a song to a billboard chart nowadays as they are really to try to go, quote, direct to consumer on TikTok. 357 00:31:46,930 --> 00:31:55,411 But then again, that isn't even direct to consumer on TikTok because there are so many middlemen, so many gatekeepers on TikTok. 358 00:31:55,411 --> 00:32:00,011 and yeah it's just I I just thought that was really interesting and I want to wanted to get 359 00:32:00,011 --> 00:32:05,051 your thoughts on that whole thing because and that that wasn't even a new concept to me when 360 00:32:05,051 --> 00:32:11,871 this station told me that story because I've I've heard similar stories from other people within 361 00:32:11,871 --> 00:32:18,071 the music industry who I have relationships and they've said the same thing about different artists 362 00:32:18,071 --> 00:32:25,951 right but i was like oh if like a media-based reporting radio station is saying this what is 363 00:32:25,951 --> 00:32:33,971 going on yeah i think radio is also just a different world in and of itself before streaming 364 00:32:33,971 --> 00:32:42,371 came along radio was king they could do whatever the fuck they wanted so i think a lot of that 365 00:32:42,371 --> 00:32:51,511 sentiment can kind of get carried into this day and age while radio is not as consequential anymore 366 00:32:51,511 --> 00:32:58,731 so you run into people that are in radio that still have the same sense of self and 367 00:32:58,731 --> 00:33:07,551 the same sort of importance in the music industry when the statistic that 96 percent of Americans 368 00:33:07,551 --> 00:33:10,691 and still listen to AF and FM radio, 369 00:33:10,851 --> 00:33:13,031 AF, nice, AM and FM radio, 370 00:33:13,351 --> 00:33:15,891 is not accurate. 371 00:33:16,071 --> 00:33:16,331 No. 372 00:33:16,911 --> 00:33:22,071 So it's interesting to me, 373 00:33:23,111 --> 00:33:25,371 because I have some background in radio. 374 00:33:26,311 --> 00:33:28,611 It was one of my first music industry jobs 375 00:33:28,611 --> 00:33:31,891 when I was like 19, 18 years old. 376 00:33:32,591 --> 00:33:33,791 So green. 377 00:33:33,791 --> 00:33:35,571 And I've talked about it a little bit before. 378 00:33:35,571 --> 00:33:48,371 and I think I learned a lot from that um a lot more people skills and like person to person kind 379 00:33:48,371 --> 00:33:55,171 of what to expect really than like managerial things and social media because what I was really 380 00:33:55,171 --> 00:34:04,671 doing I was comfortable doing um which was which was well at the end of the day I ended up running 381 00:34:04,671 --> 00:34:11,591 15 different accounts across like five different platforms yeah which was crazy cuckoo bananas when 382 00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:21,050 i was also going to college um yeah absolutely uh i don't know how i did that but you know it 383 00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:27,791 kind of taught me how to use different scheduling suites and yada yada yada um which are now so 384 00:34:27,791 --> 00:34:34,911 out of date because I'm like three years out of doing that so I need to really get back into it 385 00:34:34,911 --> 00:34:38,591 but radio in and of itself 386 00:34:38,591 --> 00:34:49,891 yowzas I mean they count spins so if you were to send your song to a radio station 387 00:34:49,891 --> 00:34:59,671 like the odds of them even looking at that song slim yeah because that radio station is already 388 00:34:59,671 --> 00:35:14,456 getting mailing lists from a gagillion different companies saying listen to this song listen to this song listen to this song listen to this song And then their five buddies that they known for 20 years across the country 389 00:35:14,456 --> 00:35:19,536 are calling him and saying, yeah, you could listen to that song, 390 00:35:19,596 --> 00:35:20,676 but you should listen to this song. 391 00:35:22,676 --> 00:35:27,996 And so now you have so many different people in this one person's ear. 392 00:35:28,916 --> 00:35:32,136 And now who do you think the power trip goes to? 393 00:35:32,136 --> 00:35:44,716 so then you kind of run into well you can't pay to play because that's payola and that's illegal 394 00:35:44,716 --> 00:35:47,796 so what can you give me 395 00:35:47,796 --> 00:35:55,976 what what do you mean what can i give you well if you were to put up a billboard 396 00:35:55,976 --> 00:36:04,176 in this city for our radio station for x amount of months i can guarantee that your song gets played 397 00:36:04,176 --> 00:36:09,636 for x amount of months which is absolutely still payola just in a different way right yeah but 398 00:36:09,636 --> 00:36:19,716 there's so many different loopholes yeah so you kind of you go what that's a thing 399 00:36:19,716 --> 00:36:31,436 and that's how when we were younger you would see all those like 96.1 yeah on all those billboards 400 00:36:31,436 --> 00:36:39,056 hot 1015 that's where all those came from yeah absolutely so radio 401 00:36:39,056 --> 00:36:51,496 is just an older version of streaming in all of the bad ways that you know streaming is yeah so 402 00:36:51,496 --> 00:37:00,056 as much as i say the doom and gloom of radio there are people that were broken on the radio 403 00:37:00,056 --> 00:37:06,416 absolutely and you can't deny that line was broken on the radio yeah in some in some ways 404 00:37:06,416 --> 00:37:11,976 like Taylor Swift was broken on the radio that was still very much her time like and like I mean 405 00:37:11,976 --> 00:37:20,116 I remember hearing like the voice winners on radio and all of those type of things 406 00:37:20,116 --> 00:37:26,356 so radio for some generations is not dead but for the majority of America 407 00:37:26,356 --> 00:37:34,996 they're not listening to radio and to my knowledge and my experience in radio and all this is not to 408 00:37:34,996 --> 00:37:39,636 say that I'm not grateful for the radio touring experience that I had I'm very grateful for it I 409 00:37:39,636 --> 00:37:45,676 thought it was really a fun time it was very eye-opening um okay it's like move it along it's 410 00:37:45,676 --> 00:37:55,356 like um what I think my opinion on radio is at least right now is that when it comes to 411 00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:59,416 like nobody is getting discovered on radio anymore like that's just not how it works yeah 412 00:37:59,416 --> 00:38:10,556 But I think radio is more of an internal barometer for the music industry about who is charting, who is who. 413 00:38:10,736 --> 00:38:25,776 Because there is a totally a direct correlation between your DSP streams and radio because they do influence one another, even if or especially if you are a big artist. 414 00:38:25,776 --> 00:38:35,656 Like, of course, you see big artists who are huge today, like Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo, Alex Warren, who are all dominating the charts right now. 415 00:38:35,916 --> 00:38:39,436 And they're getting those coveted number one slots and awesome. 416 00:38:39,816 --> 00:38:44,236 Good for them. But those are artists who have already broken, if that makes sense. 417 00:38:44,416 --> 00:38:49,616 Yeah, you have to now. It reminds me of the Grammy stipulation of you have to pierce the public consciousness. 418 00:38:49,936 --> 00:38:54,236 Now, it seems like the only way that you're going to get on radio is if you pierce the public consciousness. 419 00:38:54,236 --> 00:39:03,616 And it's not going to be like, oh, this random station programmer from Nowhereville, Ohio is going to be like, I believe in this song and I'm going to put it on my station. 420 00:39:03,616 --> 00:39:07,676 And then two weeks later, it's on Kiss FM in L.A. 421 00:39:08,296 --> 00:39:09,616 It just it doesn't work like that. 422 00:39:09,696 --> 00:39:11,036 It definitely feels to me. 423 00:39:11,376 --> 00:39:22,616 And with my, you know, the experience that I had a couple of weeks ago on this radio tour is it's an internal barometer for how your Spotify streams are already doing. 424 00:39:22,616 --> 00:39:26,376 doing because a lot of the um the station programmers who I talked to they said yeah 425 00:39:26,376 --> 00:39:31,916 they absolutely influence one another like if you go up in radio then you will go up in Spotify 426 00:39:31,916 --> 00:39:40,496 and if you go up in Spotify go up in radio and yeah it was just really interesting yeah I mean 427 00:39:40,496 --> 00:39:48,096 one of the first things I learned working in radio is that the billboard chart is bought 428 00:39:48,096 --> 00:39:49,916 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 429 00:39:50,276 --> 00:39:53,976 Which, if you didn't know, now you know. 430 00:39:55,256 --> 00:39:58,156 Everything, I think, in today's music industry is bought. 431 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:02,016 A viral moment is bought. A top 40 number one spot is bought. 432 00:40:02,576 --> 00:40:08,416 There is, so, Billboard, which is one of the most influential charts for radio 433 00:40:08,416 --> 00:40:14,556 and for streaming, playlisting, and all of that jazz. 434 00:40:14,556 --> 00:40:25,096 if that's a chart that's bought are you kidding like it's hard bro bro I um and there there also 435 00:40:25,096 --> 00:40:33,756 is no I can't say that I can say that I can't say that real no here's another thing on uh when it 436 00:40:33,756 --> 00:40:38,016 comes to billboard um I was I had a I can say it muted yeah 437 00:40:38,016 --> 00:40:42,936 hello 438 00:40:42,936 --> 00:40:50,576 in nashville i'm not surprised 439 00:40:50,576 --> 00:41:00,256 oh of course yeah well if you heard it you heard it if you didn't you didn't um and i had i had a 440 00:41:00,256 --> 00:41:06,396 trip to la a while ago and i met up with um a producer who found me and emailed me and was like 441 00:41:06,396 --> 00:41:14,076 hey I work with this label um I don't remember what label it was um but I am basically which 442 00:41:14,076 --> 00:41:19,016 here's another thing about the music industry everybody now today is saying that they're five 443 00:41:19,016 --> 00:41:23,316 different things they are producer and A&R rolled into one they are manager and songwriter everybody's 444 00:41:23,316 --> 00:41:29,216 using A&R and I'm like bro no and it's like where can we find the true A&R people I actually wanted 445 00:41:29,216 --> 00:41:35,116 to be an A&R guys yeah right but so this producer reached out to me and it kind of seemed like he 446 00:41:35,116 --> 00:41:41,736 was trying to play the a and r thing um he said um i'd love to um do some work with you um and get 447 00:41:41,736 --> 00:41:50,216 you ready to pitch to labels um by january or so and i was like okay cool but um already even to um 448 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:56,816 just work up a demo he wanted the nashville standard for a finished song for a demo which 449 00:41:56,816 --> 00:42:03,736 i was like okay interesting um and then i went out to la we had with his session musicians 450 00:42:03,736 --> 00:42:09,636 uh he was like a a bedroom producer but he had like the pub deal um and he didn't really have 451 00:42:09,636 --> 00:42:15,456 session musicians it was just like him in his home studio which I get it you can make great 452 00:42:15,456 --> 00:42:19,176 songs like that and if we're talking about a finished product I don't think any artist in 453 00:42:19,176 --> 00:42:24,676 Nashville would bat an eye at that but for a demo for just like pitch purposes the Nashville 454 00:42:24,676 --> 00:42:29,536 standard of a thousand to fifteen hundred for songs that are just for pitching that aren't even 455 00:42:29,536 --> 00:42:39,736 weird and not really whatever um but then we met up in LA and had our session and we um we chatted 456 00:42:39,736 --> 00:42:44,896 a little bit and he said well yeah so like if we were to um you know do a project together and the 457 00:42:44,896 --> 00:42:50,376 label picks you up um I'm basically best friends with the guy who just decides what is number one 458 00:42:50,376 --> 00:42:55,996 on billboard and so that wouldn't even be out of the question if we were to continue working together 459 00:42:55,996 --> 00:43:03,216 which goes back to everybody in the music industry wants money and we were brought up on this idea of 460 00:43:03,216 --> 00:43:07,856 a booking agent isn't going to get paid until you do a manager isn't going to get paid until you do 461 00:43:07,856 --> 00:43:13,176 and I have to hold out hope that I think there are still people like that but I think they are just 462 00:43:13,176 --> 00:43:18,556 really hard to find and if we're on the subject of booking agents that's been something that I've 463 00:43:18,556 --> 00:43:24,256 been trying to explore a little bit more for the past year or so because I'm signed with a college 464 00:43:24,256 --> 00:43:29,096 booking agency and that's really kind of all they do it's just bigger college shows which can be 465 00:43:29,096 --> 00:43:35,716 great but I've been looking for a more long-term booking partner um to like maybe help get placed 466 00:43:35,716 --> 00:43:42,376 on a bigger tour where I'm like an opening supporting act that kind of thing um and I 467 00:43:42,376 --> 00:43:46,316 emailed a booking agency a couple weeks ago that I'd been eyeing for a while that I thought would 468 00:43:46,316 --> 00:43:51,156 be a really good fit and also I was like so excited even when they said hey we're not taking 469 00:43:51,156 --> 00:43:54,876 on new artists right now but thank you I was just excited that they responded they responded which 470 00:43:54,876 --> 00:44:02,816 like never happens no I get that um but I think the the reason why I believe that those kinds of 471 00:44:02,816 --> 00:44:07,796 um managers and booking artists are still out there the ones who don't get paid until you do 472 00:44:07,796 --> 00:44:13,636 too I think those kinds of booking agents and managers are struggling just as much as independent 473 00:44:13,636 --> 00:44:19,956 artists are right now because for the rosters that they already have they're already strung thin 474 00:44:19,956 --> 00:44:26,056 trying to place those artists on tours and get these artists these brand deals and whatnot 475 00:44:26,056 --> 00:44:30,196 so 476 00:44:30,196 --> 00:44:42,356 I saw the world got left on its shoulders 477 00:44:42,356 --> 00:44:49,096 A picturesque hand to the scene 478 00:44:49,096 --> 00:44:53,636 But nothing else goes in that direction 479 00:44:53,636 --> 00:45:00,556 Something to be holding in my life 480 00:45:00,556 --> 00:45:03,816 Cause when you go, when you go, when you go 481 00:45:03,816 --> 00:45:05,636 You go and go 482 00:45:05,636 --> 00:45:09,636 In a penny there's a falling field of 483 00:45:09,636 --> 00:45:10,956 This way you go 484 00:45:10,956 --> 00:45:14,336 Let the fearless talk 485 00:45:14,336 --> 00:45:17,096 Under the desolate moonlight 486 00:45:17,096 --> 00:45:20,176 We're gonna crash land 487 00:45:20,176 --> 00:45:22,736 But in my mind that's alright 488 00:45:23,636 --> 00:45:29,636 So many people's hearts will be left behind 489 00:45:29,636 --> 00:45:35,636 The candle in the wind has no flame 490 00:45:35,636 --> 00:45:41,636 Cause when you go, when you go, when you go, you go and go 491 00:45:41,636 --> 00:45:47,636 In a penny there's a fountain for your love, it's waiting gold 492 00:45:47,636 --> 00:45:52,636 It's when you go, when you go, when you go, when you go and go 493 00:45:52,636 --> 00:45:58,636 In a penny there's a file that's for your love, just waiting gold 494 00:45:58,636 --> 00:46:03,696 And yet you find a place in nowhere 495 00:46:03,696 --> 00:46:09,496 There's nothing there that you'd call it home 496 00:46:09,496 --> 00:46:15,856 And yet you build a place for no one 497 00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:21,056 There's nothing there, but you call it home 498 00:46:34,176 --> 00:46:39,056 Cause when you go, when you go, when you go, you go and go 499 00:46:39,056 --> 00:46:45,056 In a penny there's a fire that fuel up, it's waiting gold 500 00:46:45,056 --> 00:46:48,516 Cause when you go, when you go, when you go 501 00:46:48,516 --> 00:46:50,396 You go and go 502 00:46:52,421 --> 00:46:54,421 In a penny there's a mile in view of 503 00:46:54,421 --> 00:46:58,421 Swade and gold 504 00:47:22,421 --> 00:47:32,261 The music industry is the Wild West. 505 00:47:32,561 --> 00:47:36,401 But I had this moment, and I don't remember if we talked about it last week, 506 00:47:36,401 --> 00:47:40,301 and I'd be curious to know if you had a similar moment when you were traveling. 507 00:47:41,681 --> 00:47:45,281 Over our break, because I did so much traveling and performing, 508 00:47:45,421 --> 00:47:46,841 which is my favorite part of what I do, 509 00:47:47,341 --> 00:47:50,981 I came back and I had some reflection time and reflection weeks, 510 00:47:50,981 --> 00:47:57,681 and I'm at this point where I'm like this is fucking hard I chose the hardest thing in the 511 00:47:57,681 --> 00:48:02,201 world really to do and I think we've talked about this before too like if you want to be a doctor 512 00:48:02,201 --> 00:48:06,401 and I'm not saying it's easy to be a doctor but if you want to be a doctor you know the x amount 513 00:48:06,401 --> 00:48:11,801 of steps that you take yeah so at the end of those eight years you can say confidently I'm a doctor 514 00:48:11,801 --> 00:48:16,081 and I'm gonna make a living off of this same thing with a lawyer same thing with a tax attorney or 515 00:48:16,081 --> 00:48:20,801 like if you want to be a barista you know what to do to say I am this and I'm successful at it 516 00:48:20,801 --> 00:48:44,361 Right. You can't say that in music because you can take all the steps and you can say confidently and concretely that you're a musician. But if we're making money off of our art, that's really where the big question is. But I had this moment where I was like, this is fucking hard, but I want to keep going. This is the only thing that I want to do with my life. 517 00:48:44,361 --> 00:48:50,101 every time I think about the possibility of well what would I do if I'm not doing music because I 518 00:48:50,101 --> 00:48:54,721 mean yeah sometimes like I'm getting older like I think about that possibility but the thought of 519 00:48:54,721 --> 00:49:00,621 going and doing that this is like okay now we're getting into therapy therapy speak therapy land 520 00:49:00,621 --> 00:49:08,361 um the thought of doing that is so scary to me because this is my entire life and part of me 521 00:49:08,361 --> 00:49:13,961 has this like who would I be if I'm not doing music type of thing because it's so ingrained 522 00:49:13,961 --> 00:49:26,561 my personality it's so funny you say that yeah so I was a very stubborn child right um I say as 523 00:49:26,561 --> 00:49:34,221 if I knew you when you were a child but I know but I was I was a very stubborn child and I 524 00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:43,321 was also not the best with reading comprehension so my fifth grade teacher had to force me to read 525 00:49:43,321 --> 00:49:52,761 and there was always this pushback between me and this teacher I respected him so much because 526 00:49:52,761 --> 00:49:57,861 every time I would ask him a question he would give me a straight answer and every time he would 527 00:49:57,861 --> 00:50:05,201 ask me a question I would always think about it and he was always hard on me but not mean like 528 00:50:05,201 --> 00:50:11,681 I just so respected this guy and he knew that I could sing he knew that that was like my main 529 00:50:11,681 --> 00:50:16,441 thing that's what I wanted to do in life and there was one day he sat me down and I was in fifth grade 530 00:50:16,441 --> 00:50:23,941 he sat me down he was like at the end of the day what if you get in an accident 531 00:50:23,941 --> 00:50:32,901 and you can't sing anymore what do you do that is a big question to ask a 10 year old wow yeah I'm 532 00:50:32,901 --> 00:50:37,681 curious to see where I mean but but the thing is we had built a relationship over that year where I 533 00:50:37,681 --> 00:50:43,521 was asking oddball questions I mean I was an only child spending the majority of my time at an office 534 00:50:43,521 --> 00:50:49,041 with our adults I was having those conversations regardless if I was having that with a teacher or 535 00:50:49,041 --> 00:50:55,481 with somebody that was an employee like there were so many different things and 536 00:50:55,481 --> 00:51:04,641 I kind of sat there and I was like I don't know like I'm never gonna need to worry about that 537 00:51:04,641 --> 00:51:15,521 and he was like i love your confidence keep your confidence but think about it and to this day 538 00:51:15,521 --> 00:51:22,101 i mean i that question rings in the back of my head what do you do yeah like if you if something 539 00:51:22,101 --> 00:51:31,501 happens and you don't have your voice anymore what then yeah and it made me as i was growing up 540 00:51:31,501 --> 00:51:35,981 I think it forced me to look at, okay, well, who am I as a person? 541 00:51:36,261 --> 00:51:36,361 Yeah. 542 00:51:37,121 --> 00:51:38,181 What am I doing? 543 00:51:38,581 --> 00:51:38,721 Yeah. 544 00:51:38,741 --> 00:51:39,901 How am I affecting people? 545 00:51:40,361 --> 00:51:44,221 Because I think I'm the shit with my voice. 546 00:51:44,341 --> 00:51:44,441 Yeah. 547 00:51:44,441 --> 00:51:48,601 I'm super confident, like, with my voice with, like, at the time, you know? 548 00:51:48,721 --> 00:51:48,941 Yeah. 549 00:51:49,081 --> 00:51:51,041 I'm super confident with my voice, blah, blah, blah. 550 00:51:51,041 --> 00:52:03,880 So I concrete but that doesn give me the arrogance to treat other people like they aren the shit 551 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:12,540 and that just kind of put into perspective so many things but what you said reminded me of that like 552 00:52:12,540 --> 00:52:20,160 what do you do if you don't yeah do music definitely and it's a big question it's and i 553 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,840 mean speaking to the age-old question like the doctor has a track the lawyer has a track 554 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:35,840 um the musicians don't necessarily have track because it is ever-changing yeah so you can say 555 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,320 that you're a successful musician if like the venues that you want to headline are house shows 556 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,360 and you want to headline someone's living room totally and it that i think begs the question of 557 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,000 what does success mean to different people because everybody has a different version of it 558 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:56,140 I think, okay, and I want you to think about this as well. 559 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:56,480 Okay. 560 00:52:57,020 --> 00:53:03,240 I think 12-year-old me, even 11-year-old me would think I'm successful. 561 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,800 Yeah. 562 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,460 Because I've released music. 563 00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:07,760 Yep. 564 00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:08,940 I'm living in Nashville. 565 00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:09,320 Yep. 566 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,260 Performed at multiple shows. 567 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:11,540 Mm-hmm. 568 00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:13,320 My own music at multiple shows. 569 00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:13,600 Mm-hmm. 570 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,880 In different states with multiple shows. 571 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,180 Mm-hmm. 572 00:53:17,180 --> 00:53:26,180 and I'm able to do that while waitressing which I always wanted to be a waitress as a kid love but 573 00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:36,160 if I think about it like you're living what you wanted but because you're so ambitious you don't 574 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,700 even realize it yeah I saw I was going back to my camera roll the other day and I saw a picture 575 00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:47,800 that I screenshotted like a year ago and it said 12 year old me would think that current me is cool 576 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:54,440 and sexy and that's all that matters like 12 year old me definitely because I set my standards so 577 00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:01,180 high about like what my barometer of success was so early that I've really had to unlearn a lot of 578 00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:08,340 what success is especially living in Nashville but if you step back at a really kind of like pure 579 00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:15,100 level oh my gosh my 15 year old self who was begging my parents to move to Nashville for 580 00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:22,240 probably two years before we actually did would be thrilled that I've released three 581 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:29,840 plus albums material worth of music that I've done over however many shows I've done in all 582 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,980 the different states um and that I graduated and definitely like I really have to take a step back 583 00:54:35,980 --> 00:54:43,360 sometimes and say like your path is not the people who you looked up to and that's okay and that's 584 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:49,960 honestly probably better because you can't compare yourself to a standard of an outdated 585 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:55,980 music industry yeah it's not fair to compare yourself to artists who made it in the 90s 586 00:54:55,980 --> 00:55:02,480 because the discovery mechanisms were different and there was more of an opportunity to get your 587 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,340 your music heard in some ways because here's another like big question about the music industry 588 00:55:07,340 --> 00:55:17,320 do we have more or less access today both both yeah um and so yeah I mean I had a moment when I 589 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,080 came back from all the travel and it was funny I was in the car with my dad we had just come back 590 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:28,180 from breakfast like my dad and I have like our our like once a quarter like dad and Ainsley debrief 591 00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:34,560 breakfast and we were listening to a Peter Gabriel song um a live Peter Gabriel song from one of the 592 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:39,960 live records and I was like listening to music like this makes me want to keep going because I 593 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:47,360 want to prove to myself that I have the capabilities that I am striving for right now and another thing 594 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,400 that like I always kind of tell myself I had a singing teacher um a couple years ago who told me 595 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:57,220 like whatever I'm feeling down about my voice which is a lot by the way um I've talked about 596 00:55:57,220 --> 00:56:02,040 this a lot to a lot of different people like I'm really self-conscious of my voice and my vocal 597 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,980 capabilities um I think if I had to pick like I feel really confident in my songwriting abilities 598 00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:12,740 but even that falters from day to day um but I had a singing teacher who said Ainsley by the time 599 00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:16,500 you're 25 you're going to be such a monster singer and you won't even know it and that's the term she 600 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:22,260 used and I was like by the time I'm 25 which is like still very young in the grand scheme of things 601 00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:31,280 things um like I'm I will have improved so much and so I want to give myself the opportunity to 602 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:38,320 prove that I can be the singer that I want to be the performer that I want to be the songwriter 603 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:46,160 that I want to be and also I'm petty I want to prove wrong to the extended family members who 604 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:53,420 have made odd comments over the years or to the people who I've already had music experiences 605 00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:55,320 with that didn't end well. 606 00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:14,660 And I want to prove that to myself and I want to prove that to them at the end of the day If anything is keeping me going it revenge no i get that i been there um yeah i been there there that moment that you kind of like well i show you 607 00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:24,920 if you don't think i can do it let me show you yeah um i will say that feeling only lasts so long 608 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:36,660 yeah for sure um and i say sipping on my frappuccino right oh my gosh that is so much yeah 609 00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:45,900 um i think it's interesting how everything in the music industry goes i mean it's terrifying 610 00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:54,120 cool awesome and there's a lot of different ways that you can gain access and a lot of 611 00:57:54,120 --> 00:58:04,360 different ways that you're never gonna gain access yeah so it's a gotcha moment but if you're willing 612 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:12,620 to do it you should but at the same time it's not the ideals that like i think we grew up wanting to 613 00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:19,060 get into yeah um i mean it is hollywood so like there's going to be certain images that are going 614 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:26,940 to be branded towards us and blah blah blah so one of the things that makes me and we've talked 615 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:32,720 about this before the um how when we were in school we were being taught about the outdated 616 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,060 music industry and then when we got to the actual music industry we're like these are the music 617 00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:41,600 industry doesn't function like this something that kind of irks me not kind of really irks me 618 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:47,660 is that the music industry that nobody knows how it functions today five years from now textbooks 619 00:58:47,660 --> 00:58:52,380 on the music industry are going to be written in how to make it on TikTok how to do this and those 620 00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:56,240 are going to be taught to college students in 10 years when in 10 years inevitably the music 621 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:01,120 industry is going to be functioning differently yeah maybe we were always just meant to be in this 622 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:07,140 feedback loop of like being behind what the books are teaching and maybe that's feeding into 623 00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:15,860 how hard the music industry is yeah it's it's just plain old hard like I I think that's just 624 00:59:15,860 --> 00:59:25,640 how the cookie crumbles yeah I mean but nothing in life that's worth doing is easy right is that 625 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:31,060 the phrase so that's something that I tell myself a lot too because I mean every almost every person 626 00:59:31,060 --> 00:59:35,320 who I've talked to what if I've had a deep conversation about what I'm doing in music and 627 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:42,720 what my goals are they've all said you could not have chosen a harder thing to do but it's gonna 628 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:49,320 it'll be worth it at the end of the day and you have to be just delusional enough to keep on going 629 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,740 and so that's what I'm gonna be I'm gonna be in my delulu girl era 630 00:59:53,740 --> 01:00:07,240 real yeah um yeah I think the only reason that I'm able to do what I'm doing is because 631 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:14,680 my parents have been able to provide me with an education and have been able to support me 632 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:19,540 while I've been in Nashville so that I can try to do this crazy music thing so 633 01:00:19,540 --> 01:00:31,200 I am in a very odd position that not a lot of people are gifted so that's also always in the 634 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:38,580 back of my mind that when you're given a once in a million shot you have to just keep on pushing 635 01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:48,920 yeah and it's i'm grateful to be where i am and i'm grateful that my parents worked hard so that i 636 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:58,460 could um but that said like i know that there are 10 other people 100 other people that are as 637 01:00:58,460 --> 01:01:06,380 talented or more that would kill to be in the same position so and that's the entire music industry 638 01:01:06,380 --> 01:01:16,440 yeah so it kind of forces you to always be on your game and always work hard and yeah i'm 639 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:22,820 there's just a lot of things to be said for the music industry and a lot of variables and if you 640 01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:30,340 aren't given the right set of circumstances even if you love music and want it to work out it can't 641 01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:38,360 and like that's it's such an incredibly harsh reality that so many people face yeah and being 642 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:45,260 able to recognize when you have the privilege of being supported and being 643 01:01:45,260 --> 01:01:54,960 able to do those things like you can't take that for granted yeah absolutely so in some ways like 644 01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,720 you owe it to more than just yourself you owe it to the music educators who believed in you to 645 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:19,819 whoever is supporting you whether that your parents whether that a best friend whether that you know anyone else it it it this really weird dichotomy between it such an internal choice to keep moving but it also like there there a lot invested in this not just by 646 01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:28,979 me right yeah which is big it's it's a hard topic to swallow and that's something that I am ever 647 01:02:28,979 --> 01:02:34,379 aware of at least in my own situation like I mean of course I have parents who have supported me 648 01:02:34,379 --> 01:02:42,699 since literally day one of like singing karaoke songs at Classico Bar in Sarasota, Florida with 649 01:02:42,699 --> 01:02:49,599 the School of Rock being like, I'm going to be a singer. But yeah, I mean, there's just lots of big 650 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:54,979 existential questions we came back with after traveling and big existential realizations. 651 01:02:55,459 --> 01:02:57,959 I think the Eat, Pray, Love, like have you seen that movie? 652 01:02:59,339 --> 01:03:03,559 I haven't, but one of the books that I read this summer was Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert, 653 01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:10,079 who read that book um my friend Emily got me that book for my birthday and it's about the genius of 654 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:14,399 creativity and wow that book is so good but continue what were you going to say about Eat, 655 01:03:14,399 --> 01:03:21,119 Pray, Love? No that's awesome I mean Eat, Pray, Love is essentially I I believe it's a book yeah 656 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:27,639 and then it was it was made a movie I was about to say converted lol um but then it was made into 657 01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:36,559 a movie and it's essentially where she goes to three different places and in italy she eats 658 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:46,439 um in india she prays and in like maldives she falls in love like somewhere yeah that she's 659 01:03:46,439 --> 01:03:52,239 traveling and she's able to like find herself so i think it's interesting like we both did kind of 660 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:57,099 like a mini eat pray love yeah definitely no no i need it i need to eat eat pray love because 661 01:03:57,099 --> 01:04:02,079 she talked about that in big magic the um the writing of that book in big magic is the only 662 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:09,559 book of hers that i've read so far um and she talked about like the i just i loved the whole 663 01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:16,479 premise of the book because um she has this awesome ted talk on um what is genius and i there's a 664 01:04:16,479 --> 01:04:22,319 really modern connotation with it when we say someone is a genius and she argues that that's 665 01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:29,579 way too much pressure to put on someone and so in big magic she looks at the genius personified 666 01:04:29,579 --> 01:04:36,779 your genius is almost this little magical entity that comes and visits you and you just have to be 667 01:04:36,779 --> 01:04:43,299 open and willing enough to accept what your genius is giving you so that if you're writing a song and 668 01:04:43,299 --> 01:04:49,539 it doesn't turn out good it's not entirely your fault but then also if you write a hit song or a 669 01:04:49,539 --> 01:04:54,459 hit movie or a hit book you can't take all the credit because that was your genius too and I 670 01:04:54,459 --> 01:05:03,219 just thought it was such a good take on creativity and how to harness it because it really is a 671 01:05:03,219 --> 01:05:08,519 magical thing when we think about creativity at the end of the day and that's something that I've 672 01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:14,179 fallen prey to because I've I've treated music as my job and not in a negative connotation but I 673 01:05:14,179 --> 01:05:21,119 take it seriously as someone would take a nine to five job um even since before I moved to Nashville 674 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:27,579 I've taken it like it's my job because it is but because I treat it like that I can I've definitely 675 01:05:27,579 --> 01:05:33,819 fallen guilty to this idea of like I forgot that I that I like this that I like this that the that 676 01:05:33,819 --> 01:05:39,459 I started writing when I was 12 because I was having big emotions and I was like okay let's 677 01:05:39,459 --> 01:05:45,259 try to get it out like this right right like you forget that you got into this because you chose to 678 01:05:45,259 --> 01:05:50,899 you know like you forget that moment sometimes you chose to do this this wasn't just like a 679 01:05:50,899 --> 01:05:58,619 a forsaken prophecy right that was destined to be upon you by the gods and whatnot yeah yeah 680 01:05:58,619 --> 01:05:59,899 Like, you chose this. 681 01:05:59,999 --> 01:06:00,419 Come on. 682 01:06:02,579 --> 01:06:05,379 Yeah, it's like getting an iced coffee and being like, why is it cold? 683 01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:06,359 Yeah. 684 01:06:07,799 --> 01:06:09,159 I ordered it like that. 685 01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:10,979 You ordered it. 686 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,259 You actually pre-ordered it like that. 687 01:06:13,259 --> 01:06:14,479 You did pre-order it like that. 688 01:06:14,579 --> 01:06:16,559 You saw the whole thing. 689 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:17,459 You saw the whole thing. 690 01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:21,079 I did order the iced coffee, but I didn't order cinnamon in it, 691 01:06:21,219 --> 01:06:25,179 which I think could be a metaphor for I ordered my iced coffee. 692 01:06:25,179 --> 01:06:28,559 I did sign up for this, but it wasn't what I thought it was going to be sometimes. 693 01:06:28,619 --> 01:06:34,279 and that's okay but I'm gonna keep um messing with my iced coffee until it tastes the way that 694 01:06:34,279 --> 01:06:41,279 I want it to right right and see can you tell that these are two songwriters having this conversation 695 01:06:41,279 --> 01:06:48,539 honestly I think that's where we wrap it up I think y'all should enjoy your iced coffee 696 01:06:48,539 --> 01:06:57,199 enjoy that iced coffee um read big magic by Elizabeth Gilbert um you know yes appreciate 697 01:06:57,199 --> 01:06:59,519 artists that you hear on the radio 698 01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:01,759 appreciate artists that you don't hear on the radio 699 01:07:01,759 --> 01:07:03,539 and we'll 700 01:07:03,539 --> 01:07:05,519 catch you next time for another 701 01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:07,279 installment of the snap whenever that'll be 702 01:07:07,279 --> 01:07:07,879 yeah 703 01:07:07,879 --> 01:07:10,479 see ya 704 01:07:10,479 --> 01:07:13,439 okay maybe 705 01:07:13,439 --> 01:07:14,859 one of these days bye