1 00:00:00,660 --> 00:00:01,060 Hey! 2 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:02,480 Are you listening? 3 00:00:02,820 --> 00:00:03,100 Good. 4 00:00:03,260 --> 00:00:05,160 Now that we have your attention, welcome to... 5 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,440 Drumroll, please. 6 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,360 The Snap! 7 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,240 A podcast by me, your host, Katie. 8 00:00:09,380 --> 00:00:10,360 And me, your host, Ainsley. 9 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:14,280 Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the 10 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,740 Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space. 11 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:20,700 As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around 12 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:21,820 a broken music industry. 13 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:24,680 Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space. 14 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:26,020 And thought, why not give it a try? 15 00:00:26,020 --> 00:00:31,000 In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far. 16 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,460 How that definition is changing. 17 00:00:32,740 --> 00:00:34,120 And where the space comes in. 18 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:38,000 We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix. 19 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:43,240 We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard. 20 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:44,380 We're so glad you're here. 21 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:45,300 So let's get to it. 22 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:49,420 Oh no, what happened? 23 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,360 My coffee. 24 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:52,280 That was right on my hand. 25 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:53,920 As soon as you pressed it. 26 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,520 I think everybody heard that. 27 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:02,640 oh and i tried to whisper it too well if i heard it in the headphones all the way over here you 28 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:08,200 know the good people listening in the value verse are gonna hear well welcome back welcome back to 29 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:16,160 the snap we are having some uh some coffee spillage problems but i am hardly one to talk because i 30 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:23,700 just about spill everything in a you know arm's length radius of me so it's it's really okay 31 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:32,660 that is what it is hi how are you i'm good it's it's a nice day finally it's beautiful how are 32 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:37,820 you doing i'm good actually you know what i have a bone to pick with nashville weather real quick 33 00:01:37,820 --> 00:01:44,080 so i was down in florida for the weekend and like florida is florida in november it's florida 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,440 you don't need to say anything more right that's the weather florida is its own thing and i came 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,860 back and I was like okay maybe it'll finally be cold and then yesterday I went into the studio to 36 00:01:54,860 --> 00:02:00,380 start working on a certain redacted project and I was like I'm gonna look cute I'm gonna put on 37 00:02:00,380 --> 00:02:07,000 tights I'm gonna put on a skirt and then I walked outside and I was like this is not the day you 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:15,260 missed it because while you were gone it was super rainy cold 30 degrees sucky you're telling me I 39 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:21,320 missed my Seattle weather in Nashville my my Edward Cohen twilight weather like three days 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,060 too it was three days straight that's my favorite kind of weather though have you seen that thing 41 00:02:26,060 --> 00:02:34,780 about um sad seasonal something depression yeah I think I have reverse sad which is actually a 42 00:02:34,780 --> 00:02:41,840 thing where you feel the happiest when it's dark and cold and rainy I thrive I'm like I'm so happy 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,620 to be alive on days like that look it's beautiful out today I am like a lizard basking in the sun 44 00:02:46,620 --> 00:02:52,620 on Katie's couch right now it is very nice but look my little Seattle heart is just always gonna 45 00:02:52,620 --> 00:03:01,100 want that like how you like in the rain girl yeah no I mean I loved it I I was that kid that sat 46 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:05,900 in the like on the porch with my mom when the thunderstorms came in and we would just sit there 47 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:12,680 with a blanket and literally just watch the thunderstorm and um so I will never turn down 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:19,360 rain but Nashville weather just in and of itself is always up and down and up and down and rainy 49 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:28,200 snowy cold hot thunderstorms tornado sun for seven days truly what what are we doing here guys and 50 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:34,580 then also just to if you don't know Nashville lore our local weather girl her name is Danielle 51 00:03:34,580 --> 00:03:41,420 Breezy and so with a name like that you are destined to you know just give the Nashville 52 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:45,320 weather I just that's that's context no everybody has to know about Danielle Breezy because she's 53 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:52,960 a national treasure well so I just got a new ring camera and my parents were in town this is my 54 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,360 first time having a ring camera so all of that means is like I'm getting the neighborhood alerts 55 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:03,140 I'm getting all the different like when somebody's walking their dog past my door I get an alert yeah 56 00:04:03,140 --> 00:04:05,860 And so I'm kind of weeding through all of those. 57 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,500 And sometimes I'll get the alert and I'll look at it just to be like, okay, well, somebody's 58 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:11,320 on my front door or whatever. 59 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:21,880 And I look at it and I see somebody stop and look in my window and pause and then pull 60 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,240 out their phone and Google something. 61 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,660 Now, if you don't know what's in my window. 62 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:28,140 The best sign ever. 63 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:35,000 So I found this sign at my old apartment, literally in the street, when I was walking from my apartment to work. 64 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:36,320 It was in the street? 65 00:04:36,420 --> 00:04:40,620 It was in the street, and it literally has a tire mark on it, if you look at it very closely. 66 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:41,020 That's funny. 67 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:45,140 And it says, Couches Against Shady Vans. 68 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:55,100 And so if you look at it, the amount of times, and that's happened like once or twice, 69 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:59,860 where on the camera I'll see somebody stop, look at the sign, 70 00:05:00,340 --> 00:05:02,960 pull out their phone and Google it, their faces, 71 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,120 and then keep walking. 72 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:05,500 Yeah. 73 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:07,900 Just, I mean, you're doing... 74 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:08,600 Educating the people out here. 75 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,100 You're doing God's work, truly. 76 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:13,480 No, and I think more people need to be aware of, you know, 77 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,160 the sinister, villainous, you know, 78 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,860 activities of the people who represent us 79 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:22,260 at the highest levels of government. 80 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:38,720 And I took inspiration from there's a little shop literally right down the street from me that has a sign in their window that says something along the lines of if you're afraid of Tylenol, you would be terrified of what's happening in Gaza. 81 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:39,660 Yeah. 82 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:47,240 And and it was like, OK, if they're going to put a sign up in the window and that's a business, I can put up one. 83 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:47,600 Yeah. 84 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:49,540 I can put up one in my window. 85 00:05:49,860 --> 00:05:50,240 Exactly. 86 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:57,180 that is one thing when i see people just absolutely not caring and being like this is the right thing 87 00:05:57,180 --> 00:06:02,900 to say right now i'm like yeah i can say like one little thing that i would have like freaked out 88 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:09,660 over saying like i remember um during the 2020 election i posted one biden harris i wasn't even 89 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:13,560 old enough to vote yet but of course that's who i would have voted for i posted one biden harris 90 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:19,200 hashtag and i lost 30 followers and i could have cared less i was like that's fine they don't need 91 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:26,440 to follow me and so now I think I'm just you know trying to radically be like you know what yeah if 92 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:32,320 that's what you think if I post one little hashtag or if I talk about something that's basically just 93 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:39,860 like human rights human empathy things that should not be political now nowadays it's like everyone 94 00:06:39,860 --> 00:06:46,260 else can can deal with it because I am so tired of just being like afraid to say the literal right 95 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:53,300 thing for fear of getting like crucified by people online who don't have hobbies real yeah real and i 96 00:06:53,300 --> 00:07:02,180 think honestly the best example of that i've been doing a deep dive into zoran mamdani yeah the name 97 00:07:02,180 --> 00:07:11,060 is mamdani m-a-m-d-a-n-i yeah that's my mayor i don't live in new york that's my mayor i love 98 00:07:11,060 --> 00:07:18,640 him i think when you do a deeper dive into his history too i think it's interesting yeah that 99 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:24,960 the democratic party has chosen this little nepo baby to be the democratic candidate because let's 100 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:32,540 be real yeah let's be real his mom she is a very famous artist director and so when he was running 101 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:37,220 in the primary you would hear things about how he's never had a resume he's never had a job in 102 00:07:37,220 --> 00:07:44,080 his life blah blah blah blah and you're like what do you mean this kid well not kid because he's 103 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:54,240 older than me obviously but Zoran has done such a good job of messaging marketing branding towards 104 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:03,540 our generation and also doing a deeper deeper dive his wife she's so cool is so cool also an 105 00:08:03,540 --> 00:08:11,680 artist yes she's incredible also an artist incredible also has had a big hand in his 106 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:17,300 social media messaging and marketing yeah so I thought it was really interesting that an artist 107 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:22,720 took their way of branding and applied it to a political campaign and said let's see if this 108 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:31,280 works and it did brilliant absolutely brilliant it's so exciting and he has great ideas for New 109 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:37,920 York yeah his team switching over New York from the current administration to his administration 110 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:47,040 is all women yes we'd love to see it and on that all women team is the lady who we've talked about 111 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:53,440 on this podcast before who took down all of the antitrust companies our hero Lena Khan yeah I 112 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,680 didn't know that that's so exciting yeah oh my gosh it is a great day to be alive it's a great 113 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:05,780 day very starkly different than uh the political tone last november at least for our u.s based 114 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:11,580 listeners i did see one thing last night that i thought was really apt um and that i don't think 115 00:09:11,580 --> 00:09:19,540 we can forget we might be really excited about this new wave of candidates like um the first 116 00:09:19,540 --> 00:09:26,080 female governor of virginia so exciting um her speech was so powerful oh i didn't see the whole 117 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,880 thing so i mean i've seen only clips of it but her husband essentially turned to their daughters 118 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:37,480 and said your mother is going to be the governor of virginia and in her speech she said and she 119 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:44,960 quoted that and then she goes and that's probably well not probably i know it's the first time that 120 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,080 those words have ever been uttered in the state of virginia yeah and chills like you see the whole 121 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:58,540 audience go like oh my gosh and I've seen a lot of comments about like the blue wave yeah how it 122 00:09:58,540 --> 00:10:06,100 came late but it still came but it still came but so one thing that I would say as excited and as 123 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:11,040 hopeful as we are because we have a bunch of candidates that are representing hope and change 124 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:16,140 and you know just a new generation of leadership at the end of the day I saw a video yesterday that 125 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:17,800 it was really good because it reminded me 126 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,600 because I was all excited about it too. 127 00:10:20,060 --> 00:10:47,020 At the end of the day these people who we have elected are still politicians and we still need to hold them to accountability and to standards that like just because we so excited that Mamdami won the mayoral race in New York doesn mean when he inevitably does something that isn good for New Yorkers or for us or whoever doesn mean that we can hold the people who we have elected to 128 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:54,020 being um there was a really articulate way that they said it but you get what i'm trying to say 129 00:10:54,020 --> 00:10:58,660 like we still have to hold them accountable and say hey love what you're about but this thing 130 00:10:58,660 --> 00:11:04,260 no let's change that so like at the end of the day we cannot like put politicians on pedestals 131 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:08,780 just because they represent a lot of great change it's so great i'm so excited to see the change 132 00:11:08,780 --> 00:11:13,320 but they have to do more than represent change they have to actually bring change and i think 133 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:20,220 that is a big topic in in politics today like of course we have a lot of they have to bring change 134 00:11:20,220 --> 00:11:26,140 they have to do it in a way that benefits their constituents yeah but it's also always going to 135 00:11:26,140 --> 00:11:32,640 ruffle feathers always yeah so like I understand it is a thankless job like you cannot do I we've 136 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:38,880 even felt it like doing music you cannot do any one thing that is going to please everybody and so 137 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,560 in that regard I get it and I understand that being a politician is such a hard job not a job 138 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:48,680 that I would want for myself and I don't know I guess that's just my two cents it's so exciting 139 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:54,600 it's so hopeful but they are still people who we have to hold accountable well and I think 140 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:02,760 the reason why Zoran got so much negative press is because they're kind of scared of what his ideas 141 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:10,220 are yeah oh absolutely um and i say kind of as more of like a benefit of the doubt you know um 142 00:12:10,220 --> 00:12:16,880 because what he proposes isn't out of the ordinary for any democrat i mean upping the taxes on the 143 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:27,440 ultra wealthy yeah supplying health care to the masses daycare um parental leave like um all of 144 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:35,180 those things for society but how he's posing to do it is also the same way like you tax corporations 145 00:12:35,180 --> 00:12:42,140 as well I saw him um on an interview where he was being asked about this all of his policies like 146 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:47,200 how are you going to be able to do all these for free because you're a socialist democrat essentially 147 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,460 yeah and he said well I'm going to up the tax on the ultra wealthy and I'm going to up the 148 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:55,060 corporate tax to match to match new jersey which 149 00:12:55,060 --> 00:13:03,500 the the reporter was like well don't you think that that's going to push a ton of business out 150 00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:09,460 of new york because that tax is going to push a lot of corporations to say okay well we're not 151 00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:17,080 going to base in new york anymore and his response which i thought was so good this guy is very pr 152 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:22,620 trained yeah his response is that's fair I mean there are some businesses that won't be able to 153 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:27,560 withstand that but at the same time a lot of people are coming to me and saying that this job 154 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:32,620 market sucks we're not able to find talent because they're not able to be in New York 155 00:13:32,620 --> 00:13:37,020 they're not able to pay rent they're not able to get health care so the people that we would like 156 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:42,480 to hire and the people that would be the best fit for these jobs aren't able to be here so it's that 157 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:49,280 side of the coin yeah that i think if you are a republican and you don't like zaron's ideas 158 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,720 you could hear that and say okay that's reasonable and that's why people are scared 159 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:03,120 because when a republican can see the same and reason with a socialist democrat in this political 160 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:11,220 landscape terrified oh my gosh and like we're also talking words no that was great because that's 161 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:19,680 also you know people are so shocked by this this idea that we should be able to have like civil 162 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,840 conversations and be able to get things done together with people who we don't agree with 163 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,880 that should have been it was at some point and it should have continued to be in the last 10 years 164 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:36,860 but it wasn't the bare minimum of politicians and how we get things done like of course Republicans 165 00:14:36,860 --> 00:14:42,360 over the last 10 years have vilified so many marginalized communities that like are not even 166 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:49,420 based in truth or in fact or whatnot and so I understand where a lot of um liberals and 167 00:14:49,420 --> 00:14:54,960 democrats and people our age you know and myself included I've struggled with this this idea of 168 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,880 well this isn't just politics anymore this is people's basic human freedoms and human rights 169 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:05,740 so no I don't want to talk and I don't want to um interact in any way shape or form with people 170 00:15:05,740 --> 00:15:09,740 who are trying to actively take away the rights of marginalized communities and things that I 171 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:15,500 believe in of course like I understand that but also and I'm not excusing it but we have to 172 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:23,800 continue to talk to each other yeah we have to continue to bridge the gap of what you know the 173 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:30,220 the political sphere however many years ago never really succeeded to create and I mean I'm saying 174 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:34,900 that loosely because even when we were you know talking to each other and somewhat getting things 175 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:39,1000 done across the aisle however many years ago like you could still argue that like no nothing ever 176 00:15:39,1000 --> 00:15:44,880 really got done which I don't know maybe I'm just talking out of my ass now and this is always like 177 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,520 me I'm like oh my god I'm saying too much I'm gonna get canceled this is like where I get freaked 178 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,640 out no I hear what you're saying yeah it's essentially you have to keep politicians 179 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,940 responsible for what they promised when they were running to be that politician yeah absolutely and 180 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:05,460 you have to have that same sense of scrutiny towards the people in your own party as you would 181 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:13,740 for a Republican party or a Democrat party what have you exactly and if you're not able to do that 182 00:16:13,740 --> 00:16:20,960 then you don't see your own bias and if you're not able to have a conversation with somebody who 183 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,920 disagrees with you that's just a different topic that's not even political yeah absolutely so 184 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:34,740 and I but I can understand where politics get a little bit more heated and when you can't have 185 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:42,500 that conversation with somebody else because either they're not listening to you or you're 186 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:48,260 not able to agree on even one point that's where I understand you walk away from that conversation 187 00:16:48,260 --> 00:16:48,860 Yeah, absolutely. 188 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Yeah. 189 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:58,760 But I think right now, because things have become so polar and you're getting pushed towards 190 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:59,780 either side. 191 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:00,140 Yeah. 192 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,300 Which is all a marketing campaign. 193 00:17:03,460 --> 00:17:03,860 Absolutely. 194 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:15,080 It's hard to look at somebody that you are related to or have worked with for a few years 195 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:21,220 or have a relationship with and disagree fundamentally. 196 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Yeah. 197 00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:27,400 And it's hard to continue to have those conversations in an amicable way. 198 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:27,820 Yeah. 199 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,700 And I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should, in a sense, 200 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:35,480 be able to disagree with each other. 201 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:35,740 Yeah. 202 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:42,060 We shouldn't just be so insulated that the only people we surround ourselves with 203 00:17:42,060 --> 00:17:44,640 are people who think the same ways that we do 204 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,420 because that's not going to get anything done. 205 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,500 And that might feel safe and it might feel comfy, 206 00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:54,320 but that doesn't push the envelope of change. 207 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,300 And yeah, but also I do understand that people are like, 208 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,260 this is different today because of how polarized we are. 209 00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:03,120 This is different. 210 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,060 Like, no, I don't want to, you know, 211 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:06,940 talk to somebody who doesn't believe 212 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:08,860 that I should have a right to my own body. 213 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,940 I get that and I understand that. 214 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,560 And so it's a really fine line to toe. 215 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:21,520 It's like we should be able to disagree and be civil about it, but also it's different today. 216 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:24,200 And so where does that leave us? 217 00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:28,520 And that goes back to this whole thing that we've talked about many times on this podcast, 218 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:34,660 how our generation is like if you talk to somebody and just try to sit down and have a conversation with them 219 00:18:34,660 --> 00:18:39,760 and people take one thing out of context and they're like, no, you're not one of us anymore. 220 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:48,660 yeah ah it it really creates this us versus them mentality and you're i think what you're also 221 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:54,020 saying is you're able to have you're able to be a democrat and have some republican views 222 00:18:54,020 --> 00:19:01,060 you're able to be a republican and have some democrat views like there needs to be more of 223 00:19:01,060 --> 00:19:06,380 in the middle yeah absolutely for sure and also i mean i think you've said it in the past like 224 00:19:06,380 --> 00:19:11,920 as I get older part of me is like the two-party system doesn't seem like the most productive way 225 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:20,280 to go sometimes well and and I've said that and multiple presidents and founding father 226 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:28,740 fathers have also said that yes but I don't think that it's reasonable for us to assume that we 227 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:37,340 could change that in our lifetime oh my gosh no yeah so to me it's kind of a moot point 228 00:19:37,340 --> 00:19:43,660 because if that could change then a bunch of other things would change 229 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:50,940 but we're not there yet yeah and so it's this weird like we're living in the gray there is a 230 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:56,560 lot of potential for change for good and a lot of potential for change for bad so i have seen though 231 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,640 is a big push for people our age getting into government. 232 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:02,560 Yeah, it's so exciting for sure. 233 00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:05,540 And I don't know how people do that 234 00:20:05,540 --> 00:20:06,940 because that seems exhausting. 235 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,180 And I feel like I'm exhausted enough 236 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:10,780 from trying to make music. 237 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,480 Like it's how, how do people even do that? 238 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,900 Well, and I mean, and the rise of class action lawsuits. 239 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:22,120 The rise of defending rights for integrity, 240 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:31,680 for copyrights for little brands being taken over by like free people yeah you know like those type 241 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:37,680 of things where an artist will design a calendar and then marshals comes out with a calendar you 242 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,740 know yeah exact same thing so and i mean class actions you were talking about one with spotify 243 00:20:42,740 --> 00:20:58,039 yeah so speaking of that one of the biggest headlines that i wanted to talk to you about is how a bunch of DSPs but Spotify in particular have been airing ice recruitment ads on their free ad supported models And I am fairly 244 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:04,979 certain that it was from the U S department of, I'd need to find the article again, cause there 245 00:21:04,979 --> 00:21:09,259 are a couple of articles that I've read on this, um, that it was the super targeted, like $60 246 00:21:09,259 --> 00:21:16,419 million dollar push from the ice agency specifically um and spotify has just you know 247 00:21:16,419 --> 00:21:23,959 decided that that's okay to you know push to their users it's it's something that we haven't seen 248 00:21:23,959 --> 00:21:32,299 before too um that's there's a lot of that happening recently yeah um and i mean it reminds 249 00:21:32,299 --> 00:21:38,959 me of the videos that are playing in airports right now yeah of department of defense which 250 00:21:38,959 --> 00:21:48,339 goes directly against the Hatch Act. Yeah. Where a government office cannot use government 251 00:21:48,339 --> 00:21:56,499 spending or government off like things to I'm not saying this correctly but they cannot 252 00:21:56,499 --> 00:22:03,679 use a government affiliated property to then post their propaganda essentially. Yeah. That's the 253 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:14,779 patch act so the fact that that's being broken known yeah it's crazy to me and it's the same 254 00:22:14,779 --> 00:22:22,039 type of thing with the ice ads like and we've talked about this in a different setting of the 255 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:30,779 military ads that were about a year ago and it's interesting now to see where that has come from 256 00:22:30,779 --> 00:22:31,099 Yeah. 257 00:22:31,379 --> 00:22:33,759 Because do you remember what we talked about in the military ad? 258 00:22:34,459 --> 00:22:35,099 It was Emma. 259 00:22:35,619 --> 00:22:36,739 Yes, the Emma ad. 260 00:22:36,739 --> 00:22:45,459 And the Emma ad where she was like growing up, didn't feel like she fit in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then was able to find purpose with the military. 261 00:22:45,699 --> 00:22:45,839 Yeah. 262 00:22:46,179 --> 00:22:47,599 Interesting messaging now. 263 00:22:48,439 --> 00:22:51,719 So the messaging for ICE ads is, are you strong? 264 00:22:52,299 --> 00:22:52,539 Yeah. 265 00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:53,039 Are you brave? 266 00:22:53,159 --> 00:22:53,759 Are you a patriot? 267 00:22:54,019 --> 00:22:54,759 Are you a patriot? 268 00:22:54,919 --> 00:22:55,879 Do you love your country? 269 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,379 You should come defend it. 270 00:22:58,639 --> 00:23:00,419 And so it's interesting. 271 00:23:00,419 --> 00:23:08,159 that it went from find purpose to defend your country in one year. 272 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:11,519 Defend your country from what? 273 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:18,359 Like being an immigrant who is here illegally 274 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,939 is no more of a crime than jaywalking. 275 00:23:24,479 --> 00:23:26,299 It's a civil offense. 276 00:23:26,299 --> 00:23:35,359 It's not like that's I my mind is just baffled by this administration and, you know, Spotify. 277 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,539 We have talked about so many of their questionable business ventures in the past on this podcast. 278 00:23:40,939 --> 00:23:46,019 But like the music industry, actually, no, I let me take that back. 279 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,199 Music period is supposed to be a safe space. 280 00:23:51,199 --> 00:24:01,959 It is one of the only things today that connects us globally and like makes us realize that we have more in common than not. 281 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:09,959 And now with ICE firmly putting a stake in the ground saying, yeah, we don't have a problem airing ICE ads. 282 00:24:09,959 --> 00:24:18,639 they are no longer the music industry who I mean by they are no longer just saying oh the music 283 00:24:18,639 --> 00:24:22,339 industry isn't just for artists and musicians and songwriters anymore like we've known that for a 284 00:24:22,339 --> 00:24:26,059 long time that the music industry is not on our sides it's being bought out it's being bought out 285 00:24:26,059 --> 00:24:33,539 but also they're not for the fans anymore either because Spotify has probably a super wide audience 286 00:24:33,539 --> 00:24:41,099 of people who aren't just straight white men listening to Jason Aldean Morgan Wallen like 287 00:24:41,099 --> 00:24:46,819 Bad Bunny who is one of the biggest artists period right now biggest artists on Spotify is about to 288 00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:50,819 do the halftime show this is a whole other thing we could talk about how Bad Bunny is not going to 289 00:24:50,819 --> 00:24:58,379 tour in the U.S. next year for fear of one date oh is he doing one date well no that so his response 290 00:24:58,379 --> 00:25:00,219 was he's not going to do a tour in the U.S. 291 00:25:00,219 --> 00:25:04,519 because he knows his fan base would get ice raids at his shows. 292 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:05,159 Ice raids, yeah. 293 00:25:05,419 --> 00:25:06,679 So terrifying. 294 00:25:07,019 --> 00:25:08,079 Absolutely horrific. 295 00:25:09,539 --> 00:25:13,959 But his response to that was, but I'll do one date, 296 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:15,299 which is the Super Bowl. 297 00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:15,879 Yeah. 298 00:25:16,699 --> 00:25:20,019 And so incredibly smart on his team. 299 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:20,299 Yeah. 300 00:25:20,699 --> 00:25:23,719 Because it has a veil of, 301 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,419 you're not going to have ice raids at the Super Bowl. 302 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:27,339 Yeah. 303 00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:28,199 Come on. 304 00:25:28,199 --> 00:25:35,319 you have a nationally televised event that has millions of people watching you're not going to 305 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:43,699 have ice no the super bowl of course not if that happens i will eat my words faster um but i think 306 00:25:43,699 --> 00:25:51,579 and i love how the nfl defended it and stood their ground because i think it was somebody 307 00:25:51,579 --> 00:25:59,479 of a funder of one of the news channels or something said that they would pull funding 308 00:25:59,479 --> 00:26:03,519 if Bad Bunny was still the halftime and NFL said, okay. 309 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:04,939 Okay, pull your funding. 310 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:11,099 We've got a bazillion other people who are willing to pay $180 million for a Dorito ad. 311 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:11,579 Right. 312 00:26:11,819 --> 00:26:13,079 Like, pull your funding. 313 00:26:13,479 --> 00:26:13,719 Right. 314 00:26:13,899 --> 00:26:14,699 What is that going to do? 315 00:26:14,699 --> 00:26:20,579 So it's interesting how people have chosen to respond in this political climate. 316 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:25,759 and I would suggest doing your own research on everything. 317 00:26:25,939 --> 00:26:26,139 Yeah. 318 00:26:27,459 --> 00:26:30,799 Because my own mother, the lawyer, 319 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,699 sent me an article from The Onion 320 00:26:32,699 --> 00:26:36,879 and that was a hard day. 321 00:26:37,619 --> 00:26:38,239 Oh, The Onion. 322 00:26:38,239 --> 00:26:39,159 That was a hard day. 323 00:26:39,539 --> 00:26:43,999 So please fact check everything 324 00:26:43,999 --> 00:26:47,099 and listen to your local news 325 00:26:47,099 --> 00:26:50,239 but at the same time do your own research. 326 00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:50,499 Yeah. 327 00:26:50,579 --> 00:26:51,239 absolutely 328 00:27:20,579 --> 00:27:25,719 I got a scoop now, baby, a hoop now, honey 329 00:27:25,719 --> 00:27:31,459 I thought we needed to tie loose ends 330 00:27:31,459 --> 00:27:36,399 But for the right time rest 331 00:27:36,399 --> 00:27:43,099 Let me get this right 332 00:27:43,099 --> 00:27:46,279 You're on to me 333 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,939 You've made up a page 334 00:27:49,939 --> 00:28:01,099 So casually, if we wanted this to be a scene 335 00:28:01,099 --> 00:28:07,199 Baby, you were like her 336 00:28:07,199 --> 00:28:11,799 I got a school now, baby, I'm down, honey 337 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:17,479 I thought we agreed to just be friends 338 00:28:17,479 --> 00:28:21,859 Your eyes tell me to undress 339 00:28:21,859 --> 00:28:27,179 I gotta scoot now, baby, out now, honey 340 00:28:27,179 --> 00:28:32,899 I thought we needed to tie loose ends 341 00:28:32,899 --> 00:28:36,879 But further I'll tie our ground 342 00:28:36,879 --> 00:28:46,739 If we force the fire so casually 343 00:28:46,739 --> 00:28:54,179 Will the flame be less damaging? 344 00:28:55,679 --> 00:29:01,859 Logic seems to be a remedy 345 00:29:01,859 --> 00:29:07,859 It's good crafting, so 346 00:29:07,859 --> 00:29:11,299 I gotta school now, baby 347 00:29:11,299 --> 00:29:13,219 I hope now, honey 348 00:29:13,219 --> 00:29:18,879 I thought we agreed to just be friends 349 00:29:18,879 --> 00:29:23,299 Your eyes tell me to undress 350 00:29:23,299 --> 00:29:28,059 I got a school now, baby, I won't lie 351 00:29:28,059 --> 00:29:34,319 I thought we needed to tie loose ends 352 00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:37,179 But for the right diagram 353 00:29:43,219 --> 00:29:50,319 So, if nothing else, this podcast is really just my platform to hate on Spotify because I have two other Spotify headlines. 354 00:29:50,639 --> 00:29:57,099 So, obviously, with that first one, Spotify airing ICE recruitment ads, what the hell is Spotify doing? 355 00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:58,539 Absolutely unacceptable. 356 00:29:59,019 --> 00:29:59,439 Moving on. 357 00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:12,979 Spotify has another class action lawsuit about basically enabling Payola in their discovery mode setting when people are listening. 358 00:30:13,219 --> 00:30:16,939 Which, yeah, of course, like we've been new. 359 00:30:16,939 --> 00:30:22,179 We knew that this was absolutely what they were doing with backroom deals, with labels, 360 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:30,999 with, you know, their big donors and funders who, you know, will pay to have their ads 361 00:30:30,999 --> 00:30:33,159 on the free ad supported model. 362 00:30:33,459 --> 00:30:38,979 But I'd like to read you a couple of snippets about this lawsuit that is being brought on 363 00:30:38,979 --> 00:30:41,719 to Spotify by, which I love, by the way. 364 00:30:41,719 --> 00:30:49,799 This is just not an artist, not a songwriter, just a listener, just somebody who listened to music on Spotify who wanted to find new music. 365 00:30:50,679 --> 00:31:02,279 First unveiled in 2020, Discovery Mode, which is what is being put up as Payola, allows artists and labels to get boosted on Spotify in return for accepting reduced royalties. 366 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:23,559 It was initially met with scrutiny including a congressional investigation over its similarities to Payola or the practice of secretly paying radio stations for airplay but it has become a popular industry marketing tool around the release of new music spotify is facing a class action lawsuit claiming its discovery mode and editorial playlists are a modern form of payola that allow record labels and artists to secretly pay to promote 367 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:28,159 their music the lawsuit filed on wednesday november 5th in new york alleges that spotify's 368 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:32,819 recommendation tools are a deceptive pay-for-play program but that the streamer misleads consumers 369 00:31:32,819 --> 00:31:38,059 into trusting that they are neutral and based on personal musical tastes which i love that this is 370 00:31:38,059 --> 00:31:45,259 being brought on by just a regular fan who wanted to find music and was like hey I can't fucking 371 00:31:45,259 --> 00:31:51,979 find music that I like on Spotify yeah because you can't it's not organic and authentic and of 372 00:31:51,979 --> 00:31:59,199 course major labels are paying Spotify inordinate amounts of money to get their artists to the top 373 00:31:59,199 --> 00:32:06,379 of it it is so rigged and I don't want to sound jaded but I might be kind of jaded um so yeah 374 00:32:06,379 --> 00:32:13,499 I'm jaded too. I mean, it's one of those, like, you get here and you realize how that works and 375 00:32:13,499 --> 00:32:21,159 you go, really? Are you kidding? Yeah. Like, come on. And then it's like, everything revolves around 376 00:32:21,159 --> 00:32:25,919 money. Yeah. And then you go, at the end of the day, this is still a music business. It's 377 00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:32,279 capitalistic and it revolves around making money and making money and making money. I mean, 378 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:38,439 and it's not like I mean we rag on Spotify because they're the easy target yeah it's not like Spotify 379 00:32:38,439 --> 00:32:46,419 is the only one that's doing this of course yeah it's I mean and I didn't know that's such a smart 380 00:32:46,419 --> 00:32:55,419 loophole because how they did it you technically aren't paying them they're just withholding 381 00:32:55,419 --> 00:33:02,179 yeah so it's you're you're not money isn't changing hands technically so it technically 382 00:33:02,179 --> 00:33:10,579 can't be payola it's such a smart loophole that i'm like oh yeah screw you but it's something 383 00:33:10,579 --> 00:33:17,179 that i mean the radio business has been doing forever yeah i then and they reference the radio 384 00:33:17,179 --> 00:33:23,299 business as payola because it's the easiest form to recognize you pay a radio station 500 bucks 385 00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:31,539 yada yada yada yeah how radio stations got around it in the 2000s is they would say hey you want to 386 00:33:31,539 --> 00:33:38,899 get your song played 50 times buy this billboard in arkansas for three months yeah and however long 387 00:33:38,899 --> 00:33:44,119 that billboard is up that's however many songs or that's however many spins you'll get yeah for 388 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:50,239 however many months and that billboard is not for you and i've said this before on this podcast 389 00:33:50,239 --> 00:33:56,759 it's not for you but it's for that radio station that's payola yeah absolutely it's a way to get 390 00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:08,979 around it that's not technically payola exactly and it's how all of the multifaceted music industry 391 00:34:08,979 --> 00:34:15,799 businesses work yeah I mean when I was doing my little radio stint over the summer um my contact 392 00:34:15,799 --> 00:34:20,859 at one of the radio stations was like well payola is illegal and i was like okay well it's good to 393 00:34:20,859 --> 00:34:26,979 hear you say that but payola is still very much alive and well it's just not as blatant as it was 394 00:34:26,979 --> 00:34:35,279 on like 1950s alan freed radio like it's still very much alive and well so here is the last 395 00:34:35,279 --> 00:34:44,659 spotify headline of the day uh along the lines of you know siphoning off funds and royalties and 396 00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:51,059 streams um and I'd like to say this before I get into this headline so and this is from the article 397 00:34:51,059 --> 00:34:55,799 that I'm gonna like put in the show notes Spotify pays out artists in a pro rata model where all of 398 00:34:55,799 --> 00:34:59,959 the streams are compiled together and royalties get doled out based on an artist's percentage of 399 00:34:59,959 --> 00:35:05,839 the overall marketplace which we knew that but that's I think just kind of like good bar to like 400 00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:11,859 think of uh coming in to what we're about to talk about so I saw this article the other day 401 00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:17,679 drake accused of earning billions of fraudulent streams and class action suit against spotify 402 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:22,399 the suit claims that allegedly fraudulent drake streams alone have cost other artists hundreds 403 00:35:22,399 --> 00:35:29,099 of millions of dollars this goes back to streaming fraud this goes back to the conversation about 404 00:35:29,099 --> 00:35:33,459 streaming farms this goes back to the conversation about spotify cracking down on indie artists 405 00:35:33,459 --> 00:35:38,459 getting their songs on an automated playlist and then saying oh you can't be on spotify anymore 406 00:35:38,459 --> 00:35:45,379 because we think you're fake and then allowing one of my songs it did when did that happen my 407 00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:52,219 songs got pulled um which one was it done for sure it was off of my really old ep oh really 408 00:35:52,219 --> 00:36:03,499 but they were claiming that um the song got pulled because ai um software was found in a 409 00:36:03,499 --> 00:36:08,759 playlist or something and so they just pulled the song completely and that's a whole other 410 00:36:08,759 --> 00:36:13,939 conversation oh so it's a playlist that I didn't even make that I wasn't even aware of yeah and 411 00:36:13,939 --> 00:36:21,279 you're gonna pull the entire song which I was making money from and I can't do anything about 412 00:36:21,279 --> 00:36:27,659 it yowzas that could lead into a whole other conversation about there was some music industry 413 00:36:27,659 --> 00:36:38,259 thing that got passed the other day that said oh as long as a song was made in a majority percent 414 00:36:38,259 --> 00:36:44,399 by a human it can still really yeah like it can be like you can have like 30 percent of AI in a 415 00:36:44,399 --> 00:36:50,159 song but also how are they going to track that of like oh if it was made by a human but then you 416 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:56,079 know things were tweaked by AI they capitulated yeah it's absolutely crazy but back to Drake for 417 00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:00,719 a minute because that's a whole other existential crisis we could go down sorry of course they will 418 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,359 allow millions of fake streams from drake because he is one of their top performing artists and will 419 00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:12,739 bring in more money for that you know percentage of the overall marketplace pool like it's so 420 00:37:12,739 --> 00:37:19,039 hypocritical that's my big word when it comes to spotify like i i don't even have words anymore i 421 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:24,139 feel like i'm just a reporter now like right here here are the headlines you y'all know how i feel 422 00:37:24,139 --> 00:37:29,339 about it but here's another thing so in this I find it really interesting that I believe this 423 00:37:29,339 --> 00:37:36,119 lawsuit was brought on by um Snoop Dogg's brother or somebody who had worked closely with Snoop Dogg 424 00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:47,079 and it was really interesting because he was more bringing this lawsuit on to bring awareness to like 425 00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:54,879 Drake himself is not being sued. He is just a beneficiary of all of this bad shit going on. But 426 00:37:54,879 --> 00:38:00,779 the lawsuit was really claiming that like, yeah, Drake is the figurehead for this case, 427 00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:07,779 but it's so many other big artists taking more out of the pool from the other smaller artists 428 00:38:07,779 --> 00:38:14,059 who don't get paid that much. And I quote, a substantial non-trivial percentage of Drake's 429 00:38:14,059 --> 00:38:23,799 37 billion streams on Spotify during that time frame were inauthentic and appeared to be the work of a sprawling network of bot accounts, which goes back to streaming farms. 430 00:38:24,619 --> 00:38:26,899 Which is nothing new to the industry. 431 00:38:27,099 --> 00:38:27,679 It's nothing new. 432 00:38:27,979 --> 00:38:34,599 But it's also able to flourish with AI and all the different web capabilities now. 433 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:36,419 Like, it's crazy. 434 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:36,899 Yeah. 435 00:38:36,899 --> 00:38:44,119 And I think it's very interesting that the take that they're doing is all of these other artists are doing it. 436 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,679 We're just using Drake as the example. 437 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:46,199 Yeah. 438 00:38:46,819 --> 00:38:47,879 The sacrificial lamb. 439 00:38:48,179 --> 00:38:48,319 Yeah. 440 00:38:48,699 --> 00:38:51,159 And I mean, well, Kendrick kind of put him there. 441 00:38:51,659 --> 00:38:51,819 Yeah. 442 00:38:52,059 --> 00:38:57,279 I mean, in the article that I read, it said that the Kendrick and Drake feud. 443 00:38:58,079 --> 00:38:59,439 Gave him more streams. 444 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,139 It was kind of a beneficiary of streaming farms. 445 00:39:03,139 --> 00:39:11,959 Like both sides were planting, you know, potentially fake streams so that, you know, their artist would, you know, come out victorious. 446 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:21,439 Well, and all of that, I mean, you have to see some modicle truth that's within their arguing. 447 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,339 But at the same time, anything like that you have to be super critical of because it's all marketing. 448 00:39:27,659 --> 00:39:27,799 Yeah. 449 00:39:28,399 --> 00:39:29,199 It's all spin. 450 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:36,179 It's all spin and like, I fell into it because I love Kendrick. 451 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,259 He's one of my favorite artists. 452 00:39:37,399 --> 00:39:37,599 Of course. 453 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,399 I was like, Kendrick is always going to be better than Drake. 454 00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:41,979 And I would go off. 455 00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,159 I'm like, do you hear historical references? 456 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:45,479 40 acres and a mule. 457 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:45,959 Come on. 458 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:46,979 Like, come on. 459 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:50,619 And people, and Drake was on Degrassi. 460 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,439 So don't even get me started. 461 00:39:52,439 --> 00:40:03,139 But I think there's different layers of bot farms and like the different comments on TikTok that you see. 462 00:40:03,259 --> 00:40:04,559 Like the two emojis. 463 00:40:04,919 --> 00:40:06,019 Those are all bots. 464 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:06,639 Yeah. 465 00:40:06,739 --> 00:40:12,939 Like on the different comments that you see on people's Instagrams, TikTok, all of that. 466 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:13,219 Yeah. 467 00:40:13,959 --> 00:40:20,939 And it's followers, it's likes, it's shares, it's views, it's everything. 468 00:40:20,939 --> 00:40:29,019 so much of it can be bought yeah and i think it's interesting that they're focusing on streams 469 00:40:29,019 --> 00:40:35,839 yeah because streams are honestly out of all of that the one that pay the least yeah but for the 470 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:41,439 big artists that's probably one of their bigger incomes especially if you're getting billion 37 471 00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:49,119 billion with a b right like i mean one instagram post could be a million bucks oh my gosh absolutely 472 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:55,279 so but that's only a million bucks because of the millions of bots that are commenting liking 473 00:40:55,279 --> 00:40:59,699 sharing and subscribing because the brands that are paying them are thinking that those are actual 474 00:40:59,699 --> 00:41:05,219 people yeah and I mean don't get me started about um you know when this is another like thing that 475 00:41:05,219 --> 00:41:09,639 you learn when you move to Nashville some of the biggest the most followed Instagram accounts that 476 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:15,379 just happen to be some of the world's biggest artists a huge percentage of their following 477 00:41:15,379 --> 00:41:23,179 is not real it's bots or is bots or did you know that you can change instagram handles with the 478 00:41:23,179 --> 00:41:33,579 same followers duh so yeah so if you think about it who's an artist that went from no followers at 479 00:41:33,579 --> 00:41:39,879 all the next year 4.5 million how did she do that bought the instagram from somebody literally 480 00:41:39,918 --> 00:41:48,358 Like an OnlyFans creator or somebody that's an Instagram girl 481 00:41:48,358 --> 00:41:51,738 that just gains all that millions and millions and millions of followers. 482 00:41:52,018 --> 00:41:57,618 That's worth money to an artist or to a creator or to a photographer or somebody. 483 00:41:57,918 --> 00:42:00,618 They can go to that person and say, how much for the account? 484 00:42:01,578 --> 00:42:01,778 Yeah. 485 00:42:02,178 --> 00:42:05,838 And they'll pay like two, three, whatever for that account. 486 00:42:05,838 --> 00:42:08,538 But then boom, now you have 4.5 million followers. 487 00:42:08,658 --> 00:42:09,578 You start posting music. 488 00:42:09,578 --> 00:42:13,038 people are gonna go I didn't think that I was following this girl but whatever yeah you're not 489 00:42:13,038 --> 00:42:20,518 gonna know yeah it's wild also if we're talking about Spotify you said OnlyFans a minute ago so 490 00:42:20,518 --> 00:42:24,918 I've been listening to the new Lily Allen record this week which 491 00:42:24,918 --> 00:42:35,158 I declined to comment on you know the the gossip and the drama around that album as a work of art 492 00:42:35,158 --> 00:42:43,198 as a divorce record as a divorce record lily allen was married to david harper who is hopper 493 00:42:43,198 --> 00:42:47,798 in stranger things have you watched stranger things no okay well that's a bummer it's a great 494 00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:52,138 show i there's so much of this lore that i wouldn't understand but i like kind of knowing 495 00:42:52,138 --> 00:42:58,778 the bits and pieces okay so they were married and i don't even know where to get into it like it's 496 00:42:58,778 --> 00:43:02,718 so much like i've gone so far down the rabbit hole and the album explains it all really well 497 00:43:02,718 --> 00:43:03,198 Sparknotes. 498 00:43:03,558 --> 00:43:04,038 Sparknotes. 499 00:43:04,758 --> 00:43:09,158 They were married for five years, I think, just within the past month or so. 500 00:43:09,238 --> 00:43:11,818 Like, they've officially gotten divorced. 501 00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:18,318 Like, I don't even know how much I want to say because it's, like, so crazy. 502 00:43:19,038 --> 00:43:20,338 Why did they get divorced? 503 00:43:21,478 --> 00:43:22,378 Did somebody cheat? 504 00:43:22,518 --> 00:43:24,858 Did somebody, like, who did what? 505 00:43:25,858 --> 00:43:30,278 Let me think about a lyric in this album that is going to answer the question. 506 00:43:30,278 --> 00:43:35,898 um I didn't know it was your pussy palace I always thought it was a dojo so am I looking 507 00:43:35,898 --> 00:43:44,938 at a sex addict a serial cheater like oh she you know alleges in this entire album that um 508 00:43:44,938 --> 00:43:50,778 he opened their marriage she wasn't okay with it he cheated on her with however many women 509 00:43:50,778 --> 00:43:56,538 and she was like I don't really want to do this but you know I'm just trying to there's a song 510 00:43:56,538 --> 00:44:01,898 on the album called non-monogamami I'll be your non-monogamami like I just want I'm just trying 511 00:44:01,898 --> 00:44:08,818 to be open I want to do what makes you happy and of course it didn't work but anyways all that to 512 00:44:08,818 --> 00:44:14,658 say Lily Allen put out this incredible album called West End Girl which I've been listening to 513 00:44:14,658 --> 00:44:22,278 like as a work of art as a divorce record not commenting on all of the other stuff it is a 514 00:44:22,278 --> 00:44:28,318 phenomenal record like that's my album of the year when it's eligible I haven't listened to it yet 515 00:44:28,318 --> 00:44:34,458 so it's incredible my list but the only reason that I saw this was because I'm like deep on 516 00:44:34,458 --> 00:44:41,058 Lily Allen Instagram TikTok whatever right now um she has an OnlyFans account where she makes more 517 00:44:41,058 --> 00:44:47,278 money off of OnlyFans than Spotify streams and like girls gotta make her bucks I'm not commenting 518 00:44:47,278 --> 00:44:54,638 on that but how sad is it that a really influential artist who has influenced artists like 519 00:44:54,638 --> 00:45:01,318 Maisie Peters Olivia Rodrigo like she's not a hugely known artist over here but she's very 520 00:45:01,318 --> 00:45:07,898 influential like her biggest one of her biggest songs is called fuck you which love um like she 521 00:45:07,898 --> 00:45:13,458 went out and played um I think it was Glastonbury a couple years ago with Olivia Rodrigo like after 522 00:45:13,458 --> 00:45:18,178 Roe got overturned and they went on stage and they sang that song like just like what a statement 523 00:45:18,178 --> 00:45:37,538 what a powerful statement um so again I not commenting on like her going to OnlyFans like girls gotta make her bucks do what you gonna do boo but how sad is it that one of the most influential artists who has influenced such huge artists today cannot make a living 524 00:45:37,538 --> 00:45:44,998 off of her Spotify streams off of her you know whatever like I don't know I 525 00:45:44,998 --> 00:45:53,518 my brain kind of spins because there's always going to be that like misogyny from my dad 526 00:45:53,518 --> 00:45:58,818 kind of in my head of like a woman should never sell her body and yeah i struggle with that too 527 00:45:58,818 --> 00:46:06,018 and like yeah and you kind of have to walk through that of like okay well at the same time of 528 00:46:06,018 --> 00:46:15,978 thinking that it's more demeaning to sell your body than it is to sell your soul at the same time 529 00:46:15,978 --> 00:46:23,118 interesting argument yeah it's kind of been and work with me here yeah it's kind of empowering 530 00:46:23,118 --> 00:46:32,038 that a woman our age could be making more money in a way scamming men 531 00:46:32,038 --> 00:46:40,538 yeah poetic justice and and using that money to then put into her music to be able to record 532 00:46:40,538 --> 00:46:48,658 release to her and do whatever like in my mind it's not something that would be my first jump 533 00:46:48,658 --> 00:46:57,058 yeah but neither would be mine but i can't knock her yeah exactly because and i'm not saying that 534 00:46:57,058 --> 00:47:07,078 you were i'm saying that it's just an interesting world that we live in and when so many influencers 535 00:47:07,078 --> 00:47:12,518 are doing the same thing they're going on only fans um when so many people that were on reality 536 00:47:12,518 --> 00:47:17,918 tv are going on only fans because it's making them money like it's or we even see it in the 537 00:47:17,918 --> 00:47:24,658 music industry with like artists who like and of course we know that like nothing on social media 538 00:47:24,658 --> 00:47:33,018 is organic anymore but we see young female artists going on Instagram and doing basically thirst 539 00:47:33,018 --> 00:47:39,418 traps because they know that that's like people aren't sex sells like it's not people aren't going 540 00:47:39,418 --> 00:47:43,858 to pay attention to just the music they're just going to pay attention to you know Instagram thirst 541 00:47:43,858 --> 00:47:48,818 traps and whatnot. And so there is that like really hard dichotomy that I've always really 542 00:47:48,818 --> 00:47:58,458 struggled with, um, of like, I want to be happy for you and I want to support your choice and 543 00:47:58,458 --> 00:48:04,038 your decision. If you feel comfortable enough, you know, um, putting yourself out there like that, 544 00:48:04,038 --> 00:48:10,518 I'm comfortable with that for you. I would not be comfortable with that for me, but also like 545 00:48:10,518 --> 00:48:16,438 what that's that's kind of an unfair advantage to the other people who are like no I don't want 546 00:48:16,438 --> 00:48:21,838 to do that I want to be known solely for my art but then yeah it is the whole sex sells thing yeah 547 00:48:21,838 --> 00:48:27,658 I mean there there's always going to be room for people it's finding your niche and where you stand 548 00:48:27,658 --> 00:48:39,938 out yeah and yowzas I mean I think it's also a comment on how right now the landscape for like 549 00:48:39,938 --> 00:48:51,978 culturally like um anthropologically you know using big words like women right now are viewed 550 00:48:51,978 --> 00:49:00,718 similarly in the way that we were in the 50s where it's more of the object the item to be owned 551 00:49:00,718 --> 00:49:09,158 the thing that I call mine my tried wife not as much as my partner yeah my team my support system 552 00:49:09,158 --> 00:49:27,137 yeah like and you notice that in the way that women are depicted by cars now lately and ads in different fragrances i mean the sydney sweeney thing we don need to comment on the different undertones but even her like yeah i got 553 00:49:27,137 --> 00:49:37,597 good jeans like the sexiness of it yeah like okay and not that that's new but it's very easy to see 554 00:49:37,597 --> 00:49:46,737 that in the past few years it's become more towards item more towards object yeah and that's 555 00:49:46,737 --> 00:49:51,797 scary and it's interesting to see how women today are responding to that because that is kind of the 556 00:49:51,797 --> 00:49:56,757 way that we are viewed in the zeitgeist right now but also I thought I saw a therapy Jeff video this 557 00:49:56,757 --> 00:50:06,877 morning I love him he's so great um where he was talking about the dating pool right now for like 558 00:50:06,877 --> 00:50:12,297 men for lack of a better term need to step their fucking game up because we are in a point right 559 00:50:12,297 --> 00:50:18,177 now where we have been objectified so long and this is the way that we've been like we have if 560 00:50:18,177 --> 00:50:25,277 that's the way that the zeitgeist views us we're all like i don't i don't have a hot take yeah the 561 00:50:25,277 --> 00:50:33,257 the vogue like having a boyfriend is embarrassing um that idea of oh i lost my train of thought you 562 00:50:33,257 --> 00:50:41,517 go. No, like I know where you're headed. Yeah. And I want to start with, I would be a wife tomorrow. 563 00:50:42,037 --> 00:50:50,237 Pause. I would be a wife tomorrow if somebody offered me the emotional, physical, and responsibility 564 00:50:50,237 --> 00:50:56,857 to be a partner. I would be a wife tomorrow. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. But what is being 565 00:50:56,857 --> 00:51:04,837 offered to me is make me lunch make me dinner do my laundry be there for me to rant about all of 566 00:51:04,837 --> 00:51:12,237 my childhood trauma and know nothing about your middle name yeah and let me see how much i can 567 00:51:12,237 --> 00:51:18,977 get from you and how little i can return yeah that's not something i'm interested in women are 568 00:51:18,977 --> 00:51:24,777 just not interested and i'm not even willing to even date no because god forbid i give that guy 569 00:51:24,777 --> 00:51:31,877 a chance yeah and you get roped in get further down the line yeah and we're living together and 570 00:51:31,877 --> 00:51:40,417 you can't put together a bed frame or you refuse to take the trash out yeah or you refuse the baby 571 00:51:40,417 --> 00:51:45,257 throws up and you have to do laundry you have to change a diaper how to use the washing machine 572 00:51:45,257 --> 00:51:50,877 like i don't that's somebody that you can't be in a partnership with no and the dating pool right 573 00:51:50,877 --> 00:51:56,297 now the guys are wanting to be treated in a certain way that I just am not willing to give 574 00:51:56,297 --> 00:52:03,217 them absolutely not and I think women today are becoming more like no I don't I'm not gonna date 575 00:52:03,217 --> 00:52:08,097 but it's not that I wouldn't yeah it's not that I wouldn't I would be a wife choices that were there 576 00:52:08,097 --> 00:52:14,817 if the emotional availability was there tomorrow absolutely it's not that I wouldn't it's just that 577 00:52:14,817 --> 00:52:24,637 I won't. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Like this day and age that we are living in is so, I don't even have 578 00:52:24,637 --> 00:52:26,117 words for it. Like. 579 00:52:44,817 --> 00:52:52,157 I have a body like Aphrodite 580 00:52:52,157 --> 00:52:55,957 You can't tell me that you don't love me 581 00:52:55,957 --> 00:52:59,697 I can tell my girls agree it's not charming 582 00:52:59,697 --> 00:53:12,596 Very alarming How exclusively you hit on me When I fit in two size 14 Shit must be exhausting 583 00:53:12,596 --> 00:53:15,156 Not understanding 584 00:53:15,156 --> 00:53:19,196 There's no difference between 585 00:53:19,196 --> 00:53:21,496 That girl and me 586 00:53:21,496 --> 00:53:24,276 As if she didn't need 587 00:53:24,276 --> 00:53:27,156 The love that I need 588 00:53:27,156 --> 00:53:31,536 So, come correct 589 00:53:31,536 --> 00:53:35,456 And don't forget, I might forgive, but it depends 590 00:53:35,456 --> 00:53:40,336 On common sense and present tense and monumental confidence 591 00:53:40,336 --> 00:53:44,616 They didn't say it would be easy 592 00:53:44,616 --> 00:53:47,616 Didn't tell you how to treat me 593 00:53:47,616 --> 00:53:50,376 And tell you how to treat me 594 00:53:50,376 --> 00:53:55,936 I have a body that man-made statues of 595 00:53:55,936 --> 00:53:58,676 Got no time or space for half to quit 596 00:53:58,676 --> 00:54:02,976 Give me something I can't get if it's not you 597 00:54:02,976 --> 00:54:05,596 Express the issue 598 00:54:05,596 --> 00:54:09,156 Well, that might have worked yesterday 599 00:54:09,156 --> 00:54:13,296 I'm starting to take resumes, hey 600 00:54:13,296 --> 00:54:18,216 Must be exhausting, not understanding 601 00:54:18,216 --> 00:54:24,576 There's no difference between that girl and me 602 00:54:24,576 --> 00:54:31,056 As if she didn't need the love that I need 603 00:54:31,056 --> 00:54:35,856 So, come go right and don't forget 604 00:54:35,856 --> 00:54:39,836 I might forgive, but it depends on common sense 605 00:54:39,836 --> 00:54:43,416 And present tense and monumental confidence 606 00:54:43,416 --> 00:54:47,676 I didn't say it would be easy 607 00:54:47,676 --> 00:54:50,576 Didn't tell you how to treat me 608 00:54:50,576 --> 00:54:54,576 And tell you how to treat me. 609 00:54:58,576 --> 00:55:03,576 There's no touch that's between her only 610 00:55:03,576 --> 00:55:06,576 as if she'd be to me. 611 00:55:15,576 --> 00:55:16,576 Right. 612 00:55:16,576 --> 00:55:24,676 Right. And I saw I've seen a lot of British people post into the song of you'll be back soon. 613 00:55:24,796 --> 00:55:25,676 You'll see. 614 00:55:28,916 --> 00:55:33,336 I'm like, yeah, honestly, can I come back to the motherland? 615 00:55:33,356 --> 00:55:34,556 Because it sucks here. 616 00:55:34,616 --> 00:55:37,816 Truly. I'm ready to go. Get me the fuck out of here. 617 00:55:38,176 --> 00:55:40,636 Yeah. I want a dual citizenship. That'd be nice. 618 00:55:40,636 --> 00:55:42,756 Truly. Just go back and forth whenever you want. 619 00:55:42,756 --> 00:55:50,376 yeah yeah if anybody's offering i'd take it yeah we're here for it any any hot british suitors 620 00:55:50,376 --> 00:55:56,156 uh sign up at the google sheet to court us yeah the google the google sheet we'll put it in the 621 00:55:56,156 --> 00:56:04,436 show notes um actually i only take formal inquiries by email okay good for you i'll still 622 00:56:04,436 --> 00:56:14,616 accepted the google sheet truly if you if your resume attached resume cover letter um pitch deck 623 00:56:14,616 --> 00:56:21,376 as to why i should go out with you i'm sick like i'm sorry i want a formal email with a resume 624 00:56:21,376 --> 00:56:29,516 yep and a list of date ideas references i need to know that you can plan yeah that you can be on 625 00:56:29,516 --> 00:56:34,476 time and that you actually have some sense of common sense. 626 00:56:34,676 --> 00:56:34,856 Yeah. 627 00:56:35,856 --> 00:56:38,056 Really, like we're asking for the bare minimum here. 628 00:56:38,376 --> 00:56:38,656 Please. 629 00:56:40,396 --> 00:56:40,916 Yeah. 630 00:56:41,256 --> 00:56:44,176 Well, this has been The Snap with me, your host Ainsley. 631 00:56:44,456 --> 00:56:45,916 And me, your host Katie. 632 00:56:46,136 --> 00:56:49,656 And we'll catch you next time talking about other things. 633 00:56:49,856 --> 00:56:50,136 Hopefully. 634 00:56:50,556 --> 00:56:50,776 Sure. 635 00:56:51,296 --> 00:56:51,816 Bye.