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Welcome to the Free Cities podcast. My name is Timothy Allen and this is the official podcast

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of the Free Cities Foundation.

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Hello and welcome to this episode number 149 of the Free Cities podcast.

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slash free cities just jump into the show notes for everything you might need to know and remember

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patrick the founder of veritas villages will be speaking at the free cities conference in a few

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weeks in prague that's one not to miss you all know how i feel about the free cities conference

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it's the best one of the year i cannot wait www.freecitiesconference.com and if you look

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in the show notes there's also a guide to the city of prague where to stay what to do enjoy yourself

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right onto today's show and i'm speaking to a president this week yes second time on the pod

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for vit jalicka and he is of course the president of libeland this time i ran into him at libeland's

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satellite village called ark which is a couple of clicks down the danube from libeland on the

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serbian side of the river as i mentioned last week i was speaking at liber pulko which is

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liberland's anarcho pulko collaborative festival slash conference i was there to speak about the

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free city's ecosystem of course from intentional communities at one end to full-blown self-sovereign

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places at the other much like what Liberland are after during a quiet moment I got to sit down with

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and we discussed everything Liberland here's a quick AI summary from Fountain this is an in-depth

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discussion about the current state of the micronation its challenges and future plans key

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topics discussed Liberland's status and development diplomacy and recognition economic and governance

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models challenges and future prospects that's nice and simple many of you i think will know

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my stance on liberland i tend to approach it quite cautiously i would say and with conservatism

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one way to put it i don't think that necessarily means much it just means that i'd be way out of

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my comfort zone trying to orchestrate that myself that's not to say i haven't put in the work though

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to investigate it. Last time I visited, you may remember, I ended up in police custody,

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pursuing my craft, being graciously ejected from the wonderful country of Croatia,

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and asked not to return for three months anyway. See what you make of this conversation? The project

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continues to grow, and as I discovered this time, it's growing in a way that I hadn't previously

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noticed something that i think might actually become one of its most important characteristic

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features in the future listen on to find out what that is anyway please don't forget you can support

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things the first two are now online and hugely popular amongst people who have listened there's

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a four-hour conversation i conducted with the bitcoin seer i'll call him that is the man like

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gg anyway everything you could possibly need to know about anything is no doubt in the show notes

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so please take a peek in there and after you've done that i would highly advise you please to

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grab a deck chair, plant it firmly in the sand just a couple of feet from the water and sit back,

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relax and enjoy my conversation with Wit Jelichka.

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Oh, amazing.

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I got arrested.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I got kicked out of Croatia, so I have a...

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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How do you think about it?

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Well, of course, these things don't happen overnight or over summer holiday, as many

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people assume.

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It's a process.

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I'm thinking about it as like a manifestation of global will

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rather than my own personal will.

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I can lead the way in some sense,

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and I'm trying to do that last 10 years,

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but otherwise we're literally working in order to align the stars,

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but we cannot make them align, right?

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So it's a situation which there is nothing more powerful

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than the idea that the time has come for,

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and we are waiting for that proper time to manifest itself.

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Yeah, that's a pretty good idea.

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It seems like that might go on for a very long time.

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Well, there was a major advancement since you came last time.

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Right now we are building on Liberty Island.

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We didn't have anything knocked down on Liberty Island ever.

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Maybe strategically it would have been a good idea to start from Liberty Island

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because it really has a very special status in that sense that it not only in any Croatian map it not on any Croatian papers that it belongs to Croatia but also it not part of the forest

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And from the forest side, the Croatian police and the Croatian forestrymen

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were using the authority because it's a forest and they're a forest company.

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Well, this is not part of forest and they have literally zero authority

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to knock things down there.

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Yes, they can come and they can bother people, but they don't have the power to clean the forest like they claim they have in the rest of Lebanon.

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Based on some paper, seven years old from the Ministry of Agriculture, that they're supposed to take care of the forest in the area.

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They now register that forest on that base.

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They register it as a forest outside of Croatia with unknown owner.

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right but they have the power to clean the forest and they are using that power

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to take our bikes and cars and everything that they can find

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Exactly, and that's why Serbians are watching us very closely and they're gathering the evidence, right?

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That is happening.

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So you mean, Serbians are watching us very closely and they're gathering the evidence, right?

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But there is this status quo where Croatia has really not made any move to officially claim it.

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And there is a very important element about the whole thing is that the Croatian constitution is very strict about the fact that the Croatian jurisdiction can be applied only on territory of Croatia.

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It's like one of their basic articles.

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Not every country has that.

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I think actually very few countries have that specifically written in their constitution.

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And that's quite helpful as well, right?

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Since we claimed Liberland, or actually 20 years before that,

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again, not a single paper, not a single map would mention

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that Croatia is anyhow in possession of anything that is in Liberland.

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Now they have claimed administrative powers over borders in August 2023.

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They have not claimed the ownership, they claim that they can control the borders of this area,

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which now they believe it gives them the right to fine people inside of it,

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but the problem is that they never actually take these fines to the court.

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So we cannot even see if that would work with their own courts,

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because they know that every single court decision that they would make,

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would again make their case for claiming the parcels on the other side of the Danube even harder.

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Liberty Island is a piece that most people think is the whole Liberland.

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This is a beautiful 1.2 km long sandy island, not part of the mainland of Liberland, but kind of in the middle of Danube.

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And right now we are blessed that when the water gets down,

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we don't even have to go through the water

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because it's actually connected to mainland

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when the water is very low, basically.

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So yes, Liberty Island is this beautiful piece of land

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that literally has zero connection to Croatia,

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where right now we found the status quo with Croatians

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that they don't feel they would want to cross this red line

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when they really have zero paperwork to claim that they can be loyal to.

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And they are leaving us alone.

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And they have actually left anything that we built on Liberty Island alone from beginning.

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We were a little bit unlucky that one year after we moved into Liberland,

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there was the 50 years flood and the 30 years flood.

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So the stuff that we have built on Liberty Island was damaged.

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Normally this doesn't happen.

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The church would stay.

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The bar that we built there with the sandbags would also stay, etc.

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yeah yeah that was the first first construction that that they made and then they actually married

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in the church shana and christian used the church to to official marriage that that was fun so there

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there are some remnants or remaining pieces of that church but right now we have two three houses

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that are finished we're building two pontoon houses and we have a nice beach bar there we've

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you've got the volleyball court, there is a cinema in Liberla.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of nice that they...

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I need to see this. We are, we're going there, right?

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In a couple of days. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, the Hunting Lodge itself was a big story.

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We were actually told at some point because they were only having the authority to clean the forest.

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And they told me when I talked to somebody in person that they will not destroy built houses

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because that's not considered a cleaning forest operation.

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But then they crossed the line, that particular line, and they actually came and demolished it at the end.

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and it was it was crazy because we used that basement like a bunker against their rates

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and we had the double two two doors that were like steel reinforced so they couldn't easily

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break in but they actually at the end made the hole through the through the top of that bunker

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which was like 30 centimeters of reinforced concrete as well so that was their cleaning

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forest operation then they took everything that was inside it was quite a lot of stuff quite

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valuable that we use for construction because we already built the first floor of that medical

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clinic on top of that on top of that bunker but that was a that was an interesting story episode

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of Liberland that was basically last summer when there was not too much interest in the settlement

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of Liberland itself but we had we had this push for constructing the building and I was thinking

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it'd be great if we actually finish the the building and if the information is that they will not

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attack our construction site

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because it's not part of forest.

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And they gave us quite a bit of opportunity

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to develop that.

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We were starting to get ready

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for the second floor at that time.

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And we used this quite new construction technology

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so it wasn't expensive.

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It was great as well.

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We didn't have to follow the standard norms

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but we were making this bubble concrete

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where from one bag of concrete

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you could make like four square meters of wall

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so it was super cheap and super fast.

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But that was a bit of a downturn last summer,

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but the idea now is that Liberty Island is outside the jurisdiction of Croatia,

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it's outside of any of their authorities,

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and it seems like that's a place where we can develop now.

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So, I...

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Do you think the idea is that the country is not a country,

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but the country is not a country,

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but the country is not a country,

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but the country is not a country,

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but the country is not a country.

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That's the point.

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So all the cases where they are pushing against us,

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if it's something territorial,

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they always drop the case before it gets to the court.

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like somebody shows middle finger to Croatian policemen

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and that's not a good idea to do,

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then they can claim their jurisdiction wherever they are.

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But if it's territorial, they give us the fine,

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but they never take it to the court.

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And so that's very important, right?

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because we have like 140 different cases which they basically dropped.

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They are just, and that's what they told me, that we are winning the war against them

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and our technique is bloody fingers because their fingers are bloody from writing nonsensical fines

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and they have to literally fill like two A4s with handwriting to get that fine published

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but then nothing happens, so we're just chilling when they do that.

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Really, really, yeah, yeah.

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But if they come to you and they try to fine you, I don't know, for not having dog on the leech,

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which is a traditional fine.

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And it's really funny in Liberland, what's happening is that Croatia is doing everything it can

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to abuse its own legal system to legally harass us, right?

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So it's unbelievable, like, you know, like, where else would you get fined for not having

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dog on the leech in the middle of the forest in the no man's land than in Liberland, right?

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But that's quite important. But what is also important that what I wanted to mention is that

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when we actually turn to their courts for their robberies inside of Liberland, they basically tell

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us, sorry, we don't have jurisdiction. And it's very important because that really, and it's not

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It not just the courts it the prosecutor right So they basically like the Croatia as an entity claims they can do whatever they want in Liberla including stealing people bikes based on the fact that they don have jurisdiction

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Based on the fact that it's terra nullius, basically they can do whatever.

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And their courts, even though those crimes are, or crimes basically, cleaning of the forest, let's call it that way to be more diplomatic, is committed outside of Croatia.

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they cannot do anything about it and what they also tell us that there is no other court that we could turn to.

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You know, they understand that they don't have jurisdiction in Gornia Siga, in Liberla,

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and they don't know about any court that we can send these requests to.

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some

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Well, that's what we're building here

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We can do international arbitration if we have a backing of a sovereign country. That's one of our strategies right now

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We can be kind of part of that

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We can become ourselves more recognized by by different international organizations that can also give us some backing

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That's also one of our strategies that we are pursuing.

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And yes, if you're not a recognized country,

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you don't have much ways to fight for your rights

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other than basically making diplomatic friends

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with other countries that can give you some hand.

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And there are different NGOs as well

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that can be useful inside of Croatia as well.

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I'm happy that we found a couple that are friendly

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and want to help us with the cause.

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We do have dialogue, which is very important.

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We didn't have any dialogue for two years,

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now we have some sort of dialogue again,

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which is very useful with some Croatian institutions.

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What was the reality of all this stuff?

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We were there on our official diplomatic visit.

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I think we were on a very good track to getting fully recognized there.

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But then that's why we changed the strategy.

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We no longer discuss these things publicly because in El Salvador,

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literally two weeks after we came out of El Salvador,

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making all these arrangements, Croatia stepped in

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and they sent a bunch of people with a lot of money there.

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So they paid them quite a bit of money in humanitarian efforts.

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They built them a new school and they told them not to recognize Liberland.

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It's kind of interesting that Liberland is able to incentivize humanitarian aid all across the world coming from the Croatian state budget.

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But you can see that they are actually taking us seriously.

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But that, I mean, it's fun and we can also use it as one of our strategies.

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But we cannot get far with open diplomacy in this way because everything we do, they're of course able to like outpay it right now.

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right now even though we have Justin Sun on board he is quite capable to push a

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lot of things financially with his 8 to 40 billion dollar net worth and I think

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we have a wealthiest prime minister ever on planet earth or maybe second wealthiest

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I don't know what it would be the exact exact numbers based on the net worth that he has

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Did he approach you? Did he approach him?

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No, no, no, he approached us, he applied for citizenship and said he wanted to help,

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and that was two days before the first election, so I was thinking, why not?

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It would be fun to have the first Prime Minister ever as the first Prime Minister of Liberality,

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be kind of symbolic. But we had some dialogue already two years before that. He also asked

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how he could help, but then he never got back. And it's fun to have him on board. Of course,

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he's got lots of things on his plate. But he had just Eric Trump on a personal visit to his

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quarters in Hong Kong. So we are quite close to places where we need to make the impact in order

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to make Liberland a more recognizable entity.

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Does he do anything on a day-to-day basis?

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Does he have two people?

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He's quite responsive if we need to do something serious.

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So he's not there on a day-to-day basis.

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His right hand is available for us right now.

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So what kind of...

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Helping recognition, that's one of his roles,

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important one opening doors with big events and big conferences we do have a because of him i was

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actually for example to bitcoin in in uae bitcoin conference and yes of course it's it's uh

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it's a boost reputational boost like people take us seriously like it's always like before it was

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like a fairy tale like where would you get all the money for for i don't know 20 million dollars

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for development of Apatim.

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And I'm saying our prime minister,

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personal income between breakfast and lunch is $20 million.

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So we do have the funding.

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It's not a big deal.

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So from that sense,

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it really helped us to show that Liberland is capable to invest

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if we have just a little bit more political support locally.

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Is that part of your plan?

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You just mentioned that developing Apatim, that's it.

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Yes, yes, yeah, that's...

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It's not that difficult right now, like for anybody from EU, you can just simply go there.

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The border check usually lasts 25-30 minutes.

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And it's not too bad.

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Sometimes they are a bit pushy and tell you,

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you cannot go to Liberland, but you tell them ciao

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and you go after they check your documents.

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So from that perspective, Liberland is open for business.

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And the same way, like they say,

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it's not jurisdiction of Croatia when we tell them anything.

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You can literally open any kind of business in Liberland

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and they will also not be able to do anything with it

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because it's literally not their jurisdiction.

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So from that point, we are actually a sovereign country.

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We do get quite a lot of police checks from our neighbor, Croatia.

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We get, you know, tonight, for example, very interesting.

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Nobody showed up the whole night.

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But most of the nights we get two police checks a night.

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But that doesn't mean that they're able to persecute anybody

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for things that are illegal in Croatia, in a way.

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They are able to put it to the...

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They are able to fine you for it,

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but they are unable to push it through the courts.

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We have not seen it yet that somebody would be

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successfully trialled for doing something illegal in Croatia, in Liberland.

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And is that when you say living in the mainland?

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You are talking about Liberty Island?

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Yes, right now Liberty Island is the safe place.

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Again, because if you leave something on mainland,

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it's not too bad lately also.

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Three months we didn't see anything stolen from mainland.

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Three months ago they have stolen nice electric motorcycle that we somebody parked there for two hours

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They immediately came and took it but so far like three months now we don't see anything like that

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But still like we consider Liberty Island to be safe for personal property and for construction right now

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We ask people if they're coming to build in Liberland and all the citizens of Liberland by the way

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Have the right to claim piece of land in Liberland including Liberty Island and build anything

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So we've got two more guys that are coming very soon to do that

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But Liberland we consider safe, this part of Liberland, and if you follow the construction

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standard, meaning you do things either floating and you anchor them well, or you do it on

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the trees, or you do it on the stilts, we even are able to make guarantees for the investments

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into the construction.

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...

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I think it's quite a long way.

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We were on bikes right Yeah just but just to mention like we actually have normally flooding like every three four years

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right like it's not that there is flooding all the time but yes if you want to build something

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that can stay long term you have to make it flood resistant and uh yes it can be on pontoons we now

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just get four pontoons for like 2000 euro professional ones we connect them with the

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wood we make a nice house six by four with the shower inside with the bedroom with kitchen so

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that's that's one of the ways or three houses are also quite nice they're quite beautiful and whatever

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i really like that we have now random tourists coming to liberland sometimes they're a little

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bit surprised about the border check and about the wake-up call because they don't read all the

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description on airbnb but yes like liberland accommodation is now on airbnb or visit.liberland

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visit.ll.land is another website where people can actually book glamping stay inside of Liberland.

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Really? In what? Treehouse?

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They can do either treehouse or they can do the glamping.

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Wow.

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So does...

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Got two treehouses.

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One of them got red tape by Grisha, funnily enough,

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but we are still assessing what to do.

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The second one did not.

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What does that mean?

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They put like a red tape that it's not possible to go inside, but it doesn't like...

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Oh, that's Liberty Island, right?

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Yeah, yeah. But that doesn't, again, that doesn't mean that they can do this kind of stuff,

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but they cannot push it again through their court system. Do you understand?

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So like...

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People are off the record. People are just still going into that.

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We actually, for the sake of like having peace with them, we have not done anything in that regard.

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But the glams are stable there for three months.

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We can make very nice tent structures.

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I just ordered a bunch of nice tents from China,

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like big ones, inflatable ones.

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The floating pontoons, I believe also,

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that will be a very popular way.

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And the second three houses, we made it a little bit more open,

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so we cannot that easily put sticker on it.

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And we're trying to assess exactly what should be the strategy.

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But I think we really found those lines

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where Croatia can go and where they really cannot go.

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even if they abuse their own system of governance against us.

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Do you know the company Ark had anything?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I noticed.

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Well, they just...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ignite the...

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...where you are.

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Do you have strong flowing water?

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Actually, we will end up basically having the same stuff.

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Based on the limitations that Koresha is giving us,

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extraterritorial we might end up with very similar technology

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because we need to build on pontoons

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and we might end up having to build a very nice tense,

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heatable tense at the same time as this form of status quo with Koresha.

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Does the water flow when it flows or is it still?

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No, of course it's a lot of flow

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and that's why all these constructions have to be built behind the trees

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so we don't get taken away by the debris that is on the Danube.

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Two pontoon houses are under construction this week.

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If you will go there, like one construction starts in one day and the other one starts on

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Tuesday and that should be the main buildings for survival of the winter. So that's the plan.

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and then we've got the beach bar, that's quite nice.

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We had pretty bad storm,

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so we had to fix the roof twice already

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and there was a funny video

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where they were like literally holding onto the roof,

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five people and almost flying on it.

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Yeah, it was like 120 kilometers fast.

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So sometimes we could also get storms.

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But everything survived, no technological destruction,

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just the roof had to be replaced.

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And there is a regular bar

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where people can cook there is a separate kitchen actually where some lahvac our most stable settler

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now living he survived both winters in liberland so i would say he's our per one of our main guys

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that we can call permanent uh inhabitant of liberland um honza hlavac but we call him lahvac

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Is he a Serbian or a Croatian?

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No, no, Czech, Czech, Czech.

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Oh, wow.

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So is he the longest living, as in the longest dwelling person?

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Yes, and it would be very good to have exact number of days.

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Now, our new mobile app will mark exactly people working for Liberland.

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They will know exactly how long time they stay in Liberland.

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But I would assess he's spent there more than nine months in total.

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Wow.

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And we have got also one Croatian, Tony, that lived in Liberland for I think at least six months as well.

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Because of course we never left Liberland, right?

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We keep the guard there since August 6, 2023.

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The church has been demolished by the flooding, but it's still there.

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So I think I'm not sure what exactly is the condition, but I bet it's kind of fallen.

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What's the reason?

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How do you build a new building for the next year?

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Well, it is a plan for this year. I don't see any reason why we couldn't build a proper stilted structure.

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That's the plan. And I'm working with architects on some nice Medusa style building.

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The only condition is that we have to build three meters above the ground.

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it's not a big deal right like it's you and you can make the steel so so quite

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nice so I will probably call Zaha Hadid to make the final final design for this

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and yes the sand is quite good for making reinforced concrete so we just

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need to build bunch of iron bars there and and combine the cement with the sand

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and we can build whatever we want

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What is the status quo with Croatia?

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The status quo with Croatia is that it's not possible to boat anything in Liberland.

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So we can partially boat it in one kilometer away from Liberland.

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But to my understanding right now they're really into stealing our boats for no matter what kind of reason.

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But I'm okay with that, we don't need it.

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We're able to transport one ton of material with one person in five hours in Liberland.

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and they just take it over the road like pedestrians.

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We have these wheelbarrows that can take half a ton,

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so we can literally bring 20 cement bags in one trip.

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And you don't even have to walk that much.

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But it's funny, the policemen are standing behind you,

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watching if you're driving on that thing or if you're walking behind it.

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If you start driving on it, they immediately go and give you a ticket

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for driving on the wheelbarrow.

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It's just hilarious.

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right like what they're what they're how the ways they're trying to like suppress us in what we're

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hmm

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hmm

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What do you do?

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First of all, you know, let me knock on the wood, there is a proper wood here.

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We didn't have a single injury, right, in Liberland.

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I want to keep it that way.

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We want to keep that conflict very gentle.

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And it's not even a conflict.

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Again, I consider it more like a spanning partnership with Croatia.

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And yes, like Liberland, you see there is this, I would say,

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West-East conflict line now in Ukraine.

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The West is fighting against East, but it's the same system.

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Two very similar systems are fighting each other.

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In Liberland, it's literally the new system building up

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itself against the old system. Imagine how much resources

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is spent on this West-East conflict, which

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brings zero values to the humanity.

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and Liberland we are spending micro resources to push forward this creation of new societies

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but really from grounds up and and this is the thing about sovereignty like nobody's gonna give

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it to you right you really have to build it step by step I mean eventually somebody can give you

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the sovereignty but you have to deserve it in the first place it's like the god you know it only

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helps the ones that can help themselves so you know that's what I'm talking about that this

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conflict is very gentle and to be honest with you like for us the settlement in a sense is still

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symbolical, right? Because the ideas behind Liberland are kind of conquering the world

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already, right? If the president of Argentina was running his campaign on the platform that

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is a general forum Liberland coming to save Argentina, I think that was very powerful

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statement because literally, like, Liberland has taken over Argentina in some sense. But

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of course, this is mainly about ideas and this Liberland is the place where those ideas

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are put into physical reality in place in a gentle way,

463
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:39,680
but we never know which country might just jump right on these ideas that we have built

464
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,680
or on a blockchain governance that we have foreshadowed

465
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,980
and we'll simply forward these ideas decade ahead.

466
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:24,100
Hmm.

467
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:51,380
Yes, and what is really nice about Liberland is this genuine terra nullius case that we

468
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:53,020
have been building it up from, right?

469
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:56,680
So that really, I believe nobody can take it away from Liberland.

470
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:03,080
it becomes the mecca of these ideas no matter what right because this is the place where these ideas

471
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:10,040
have grown from from grounds up and and yes i have two other presidents we are in dialogue they're

472
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,680
interested in utilizing our blockchain governance and and these ideas that we represent on not not

473
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,440
necessarily on their country directly but maybe on some free trade zones so yes it's becoming

474
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,560
popular and I believe that the future really holds the fact that the taxes will have to be

475
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,360
voluntary basically sooner or later in most of the countries and the governance will have to be on

476
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:38,380
blockchain in order for the countries to be competitive at all and of course it will probably

477
00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:46,200
take some sort of shift of paradigm or some sort of more harsh going down to the bottom like in

478
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,280
Argentina in order for people to realize but at some point it will and what is also very important

479
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,120
is that we are not pushing these ideas on anybody, right?

480
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,140
Like we are not saying you Croatians should adopt less taxes

481
00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:00,280
or should adopt less regulations.

482
00:41:00,780 --> 00:41:02,360
Like you guys can do whatever you want.

483
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,720
You can make 100% taxes, you know, come up with communism again,

484
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,280
you know, make the bureaucracy two times harder.

485
00:41:08,580 --> 00:41:09,040
It's okay.

486
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,600
You know, it's your land.

487
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,620
It's your business.

488
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,360
But in Liberland, we really want to make a free society,

489
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,680
free, prosperous society.

490
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:18,840
We're very open about it, not hiding anything.

491
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,340
So then it's really up to people what they choose.

492
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:27,340
If they want to support, you're talking about the Croatian policemen,

493
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:33,040
if they want to support a system that they don't see as efficient,

494
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,040
or that they're prosperous or support a new form of society.

495
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,340
And yes, I also made it very clear, like every single policeman in Liberland

496
00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:44,540
will be at least three times better paid than in Croatia,

497
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:48,040
because I believe these guys are really heavily underpaid.

498
00:41:48,840 --> 00:42:18,820
Thank you.

499
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:26,840
How did you develop the constitution?

500
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:34,840
Well, yes, from that sense, I'm grateful that we had these 10 years of relative non-development,

501
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,840
physical development of Liberland and we had time to develop the constitution and I'm quite happy about it.

502
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:46,840
It has become a nice document and I hope we will be able to have a serious debate about it in Prague

503
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:57,160
on the Christmas party that we have in December and that it will be adopted hopefully by the 11th anniversary in April 2026.

504
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:03,120
And then, you know, if the structures of governance and the constitutions are firmly set,

505
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,800
I mean everything in Liberland already works in line with the constitution and in lines with these basic principles.

506
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:15,480
So the Congress is elected in the same way everything is already in blockchain, but it's not codified in words.

507
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,260
it only is codified as a smart contract,

508
00:43:18,340 --> 00:43:20,660
which actually is ultimately the only thing that matters, right?

509
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:21,940
Because you can bend the words

510
00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:24,020
and you have seen it from other constitutions

511
00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:26,040
in many different ways.

512
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,600
But in Liberland,

513
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,120
our constitution was first written as a smart contract

514
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,180
and now we're putting it into words

515
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:36,400
to kind of give it humanly explanation.

516
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,960
And by the way, you're very welcome to read it, right?

517
00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:41,940
If you just put Liberland constitution,

518
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:44,260
you should get directly to the Liberland forum

519
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:48,020
and then click on the latest version, make the comments, etc.

520
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:53,380
So we welcome anybody that is interested to see how we operate internally

521
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:57,460
to jump right into it and leave us some comments.

522
00:43:58,580 --> 00:44:01,280
So yes, these things are being finalized right now.

523
00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:03,580
I'm grateful that we had the time to do it.

524
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:04,760
It really took 10 years.

525
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,140
And I think we had seven different versions.

526
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:10,400
And I would never say I'm happy with it.

527
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:22,760
I always had some major doubts about being too long, being too fuzzy, being, you know, the system of election not being the right one.

528
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,040
And of course, you can have million different ways of governing a country.

529
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:30,720
Ultimately, the only thing that matters is if people are able to live free lives, right?

530
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:39,840
Nobody really cares if the Dubai ruler is whatever he does, as long as he doesn't raise taxes.

531
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,140
Or in Monaco, people don't come to get votes.

532
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:46,260
There are people that are living there for five generations.

533
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:47,860
They still didn't get the citizenship.

534
00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:50,460
And they don't come there to vote.

535
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,860
They come there to live free lives.

536
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:58,660
But the goal with Liberland was to make a model that would be replicable on a regular society of people

537
00:44:58,660 --> 00:45:02,040
where you would really put in line

538
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,740
or put the incentives in alignment.

539
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:09,460
That's something from the guys that started Prospera, by the way.

540
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,520
I always use that phrase,

541
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,040
put incentives into alignment, into society,

542
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:16,880
really put a little bit of democracy,

543
00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:19,060
put this corporate governance in,

544
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:23,340
take what really worked from the monarchical systems

545
00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:26,820
and combine it together into a nice,

546
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:34,620
completely transparent blockchain based form of governance where the best ideas of previous

547
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:41,060
constitutions and the best ideas of modern-day DAOs or decentralized autonomous organization

548
00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:44,500
merges to run a nation-state.

549
00:45:56,820 --> 00:46:26,800
Thank you.

550
00:46:26,820 --> 00:47:01,494
What are you fin Incredible We want to have a strict private property law so you could do quite a lot inside of your own property

551
00:47:01,494 --> 00:47:06,494
You can park wherever you want, right? We don't want to regulate it too much.

552
00:47:06,494 --> 00:47:11,494
For example, right now it's an interesting case when it comes to building standards.

553
00:47:11,494 --> 00:47:15,494
And there has been quite a lot of debate about having any building standards.

554
00:47:15,494 --> 00:47:21,874
But yes, I think it's okay for government to actually give guarantees for construction right now,

555
00:47:21,934 --> 00:47:24,314
but only to the buildings that follow some building standards.

556
00:47:24,554 --> 00:47:28,654
If I'm very certain that the building will float away next year

557
00:47:28,654 --> 00:47:33,014
and potentially take a couple more houses with it because it's not going to be well tied

558
00:47:33,014 --> 00:47:35,934
and will not follow these construction advices.

559
00:47:36,594 --> 00:47:42,694
So a lot of things can be actually sorted out by private sector that they will not be insured, right?

560
00:47:42,694 --> 00:47:48,034
if you don't do things in line with some sort of standard technology.

561
00:47:48,294 --> 00:47:53,494
So yes, all these construction norms will be applied in Liberland

562
00:47:53,494 --> 00:47:55,494
based on the fact that they are actually useful

563
00:47:55,494 --> 00:47:58,774
if you don't want to have your house falling down on you.

564
00:47:59,234 --> 00:48:01,374
And we're not worried about that element at all.

565
00:48:01,934 --> 00:48:06,714
And in general, yes, we actually said that we are okay

566
00:48:06,714 --> 00:48:11,074
with having Croatian criminal code for now

567
00:48:11,074 --> 00:48:15,954
because it's not too bad like it's not too bad like if people really steal from each other

568
00:48:15,954 --> 00:48:24,374
and they don't um you know they don't give the money back we have of course a system of merits

569
00:48:24,374 --> 00:48:30,254
which is very important so we can we can basically through the courts take away immediately the shares

570
00:48:30,254 --> 00:48:35,094
of liberland as a form of compensation or partially take them and wait if the people

571
00:48:35,094 --> 00:48:40,594
will sort out the situation but yes like people should go to jail if they murder somebody if

572
00:48:40,594 --> 00:48:43,314
somebody becomes dangerous and starts to kill other people,

573
00:48:44,114 --> 00:48:45,774
you know, just 20 years in jail,

574
00:48:45,894 --> 00:48:48,394
probably according to the Croatian system.

575
00:48:48,574 --> 00:48:50,414
So that is not the big problem.

576
00:48:50,494 --> 00:48:54,414
The criminal code really is not the core, you know.

577
00:48:54,414 --> 00:48:57,974
All these like retarded bureaucratical processes,

578
00:48:58,494 --> 00:49:01,074
which really make me think, you know,

579
00:49:01,134 --> 00:49:04,354
should I ask for building permit in Serbia or in Croatia

580
00:49:04,354 --> 00:49:06,094
or just build a house in Liberland?

581
00:49:06,174 --> 00:49:06,874
What is more viable?

582
00:49:07,314 --> 00:49:09,294
Because both things are very painful, right?

583
00:49:09,294 --> 00:49:17,794
Like it's unbelievable how many papers you have to collect here as well in order to start a reasonable construction and how much troubles you have.

584
00:49:17,854 --> 00:49:20,474
So those things will be much easier in Liberland for sure.

585
00:49:21,234 --> 00:49:25,034
You're not going to have to wait five years for transfer in the LAND register.

586
00:49:25,274 --> 00:49:26,934
Everything happens in a split of seconds.

587
00:49:27,374 --> 00:49:30,354
It's already in blockchain, all the LAND register of Liberland.

588
00:49:30,434 --> 00:49:32,694
By the way, you can go to LANDregister.ll.land.

589
00:49:32,754 --> 00:49:35,354
You can see the plots and how people have claimed them.

590
00:49:36,234 --> 00:49:39,074
So these are the things which really matter, right?

591
00:49:39,074 --> 00:49:41,074
like remove all the bureaucratic obstacles,

592
00:49:41,074 --> 00:49:42,674
don't push people to pay taxes,

593
00:49:42,674 --> 00:49:45,274
they will immediately jump into Liberland

594
00:49:45,274 --> 00:49:47,534
and they will actually be happy to pay taxes.

595
00:49:47,534 --> 00:49:49,914
And especially if they see that their taxes

596
00:49:49,914 --> 00:49:52,514
going to some particular thing that makes sense

597
00:49:52,514 --> 00:49:54,754
to have the name on the bridge,

598
00:49:54,754 --> 00:49:57,554
why not, you can ship in some money.

599
00:50:09,074 --> 00:50:15,074
I think that that will be the result, yes.

600
00:50:15,074 --> 00:50:22,074
Well, because just like with Bitcoin, you know, the good money is replacing bad money, right?

601
00:50:22,074 --> 00:50:28,074
There will be a replacement of government, like we're simply offering better product on the market.

602
00:50:28,074 --> 00:50:34,074
People will, even though they might ideologically disagree because they would like to build yet another communist society,

603
00:50:34,074 --> 00:50:41,274
society, they will be forced by market forces to adjust to the fact that, yes, this model

604
00:50:41,274 --> 00:50:42,314
is so much prosperous.

605
00:50:42,514 --> 00:50:46,154
And, you know, we see this huge resilience against free markets.

606
00:50:46,434 --> 00:50:48,854
I mean, let's name it South Korea and North Korea.

607
00:50:48,994 --> 00:50:54,514
You can have these two models like living next to each other and still the South Korean

608
00:50:54,514 --> 00:50:57,054
model is not bringing enough innovation to North Korea.

609
00:50:57,054 --> 00:51:01,674
Yes, so there is this huge, I would call sturdiness,

610
00:51:01,674 --> 00:51:05,114
or how do you call it, from people about their lifestyle.

611
00:51:05,114 --> 00:51:08,354
And of course there is crazy governance model

612
00:51:08,354 --> 00:51:09,774
that were developed all around the world

613
00:51:09,774 --> 00:51:12,414
that will make it harder, but eventually

614
00:51:12,414 --> 00:51:14,634
the better governance model will replace

615
00:51:14,634 --> 00:51:16,594
the old bad government's model.

616
00:51:16,594 --> 00:51:18,734
Hopefully.

617
00:51:27,054 --> 00:51:56,074
See or see if the

618
00:51:57,054 --> 00:52:23,434
And

619
00:52:27,054 --> 00:52:30,414
What can I do to 봄?

620
00:52:51,574 --> 00:52:54,314
Well,I would say...

621
00:52:54,314 --> 00:52:55,614
how would it

622
00:52:55,614 --> 00:52:57,894
I think Einstein said it

623
00:52:57,894 --> 00:52:59,574
there are two things that are endless

624
00:52:59,574 --> 00:53:02,134
and one of them is the human stupidity

625
00:53:02,134 --> 00:53:03,394
right so it's

626
00:53:03,394 --> 00:53:06,034
we're dealing with a lot of

627
00:53:06,034 --> 00:53:08,194
a lot of

628
00:53:08,194 --> 00:53:10,134
resistance from that side it's unbelievable

629
00:53:10,134 --> 00:53:11,774
how much crazy stuff

630
00:53:11,774 --> 00:53:14,214
humans have created just in the 20th

631
00:53:14,214 --> 00:53:15,694
century along like all the dead people

632
00:53:15,694 --> 00:53:18,054
for nothing right it's instead

633
00:53:18,054 --> 00:53:20,074
of like focusing on building people are

634
00:53:20,074 --> 00:53:21,354
literally focusing on

635
00:53:21,354 --> 00:53:24,194
destroying things which you know to me

636
00:53:24,194 --> 00:53:29,434
doesn't make much sense but yes it's probably this yin-yang whatever universe

637
00:53:29,434 --> 00:53:34,794
has to be in balance scenario but from my perspective like we have as a human

638
00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:38,814
as a society have done so much crazy stuff it might be a good time to do

639
00:53:38,814 --> 00:53:41,574
something reasonable again

640
00:53:54,194 --> 00:54:04,074
as long as you have somewhere to go to and we still have quite a few places around the world

641
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:11,314
by the way we just offered a very good price for residency program in paraguay for all citizens

642
00:54:11,314 --> 00:54:19,174
and for e-residents of liberland so we are also building up a place or resort in paraguay

643
00:54:19,174 --> 00:54:23,214
as a form of expansion because we really appreciate that paraguay is one of the best

644
00:54:23,214 --> 00:54:29,054
places to have a tax residency and we cannot even compete it from from liberal perspective right like

645
00:54:29,054 --> 00:54:34,574
it's and even the the speed of the process of getting that tax residency is just unbelievable

646
00:54:34,574 --> 00:54:41,694
you literally go there in you go there for one day in a year you manage to mostly with with

647
00:54:41,694 --> 00:54:46,254
with our lawyers you can finish it literally in one one day you don't have to wait in any line

648
00:54:46,814 --> 00:54:52,014
you're all set you get immediately your driving license uh you know get get shipped to you

649
00:54:52,014 --> 00:54:57,614
with DHL in three days and you can claim fully tax residency in that country

650
00:54:57,614 --> 00:55:00,094
and as long as you are not living in your home country,

651
00:55:00,734 --> 00:55:02,614
we cannot compete with that in Liberland.

652
00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:04,954
You cannot make it much better than that.

653
00:55:05,334 --> 00:55:07,554
So we decided to simply put it on the dashboard.

654
00:55:07,714 --> 00:55:11,654
People get e-residency of Liberland and they get discounted services for e-residency

655
00:55:11,654 --> 00:55:15,414
and I think maybe it's still running that all the new citizens of Liberland

656
00:55:15,414 --> 00:55:19,334
get also the tax residency in Paraguay.

657
00:55:19,334 --> 00:55:20,854
And you can't really land in Paraguay.

658
00:55:20,854 --> 00:55:27,374
Yeah, we've got quite a few development projects where we're still making the move to which one to go to

659
00:55:27,374 --> 00:55:32,214
We always have partners for this, but there will be a nice Liberland place in Paraguay

660
00:55:38,854 --> 00:55:45,994
Yeah, that's the idea and of course like it will be kind of agorist place within within Paraguay as well

661
00:55:50,854 --> 00:56:38,208
Thank you bottom up

662
00:56:38,208 --> 00:56:39,828
So they're building cities.

663
00:56:39,988 --> 00:56:50,048
to be in

664
00:57:09,048 --> 00:57:09,328
as of when

665
00:57:09,328 --> 00:57:14,528
Well, to be honest with you, I'm surprised that it's not a little bit faster, right?

666
00:57:14,528 --> 00:57:16,728
Prospera has been also growing.

667
00:57:16,728 --> 00:57:19,728
I would say that they're the most successful intentional community.

668
00:57:19,728 --> 00:57:21,528
And of course, it was a big political fight.

669
00:57:21,528 --> 00:57:23,328
And this is the problem where you're not sovereign.

670
00:57:23,328 --> 00:57:29,528
They can kind of take away your rights whenever the political spectrum changes, which is risky.

671
00:57:29,528 --> 00:57:31,928
And that's why we decided to go with full sovereignty.

672
00:57:31,928 --> 00:57:35,928
But on the other hand, I just wish that these intentional communities,

673
00:57:35,928 --> 00:57:39,128
like even the Liberland ones, were a little bit faster to grow.

674
00:57:39,128 --> 00:57:41,328
we have a very nice project now in Zanzibar.

675
00:57:41,568 --> 00:57:43,168
We will release that very soon.

676
00:57:43,268 --> 00:57:44,948
That's a $10 million investment project.

677
00:57:45,148 --> 00:57:46,108
I think that's something to,

678
00:57:46,728 --> 00:57:48,668
that's going to be under Liberland flag.

679
00:57:48,768 --> 00:57:51,248
That will be a major, major thing.

680
00:57:51,348 --> 00:57:53,108
I hope that we will be able to release

681
00:57:53,108 --> 00:57:55,128
that news publicly very soon.

682
00:57:55,908 --> 00:57:57,808
And yes, there are quite a few,

683
00:57:57,808 --> 00:58:00,808
you know, micro villages in Mexico.

684
00:58:02,428 --> 00:58:04,688
You know, we do have micro,

685
00:58:05,028 --> 00:58:07,528
settled like micro village in Portugal, etc.

686
00:58:07,528 --> 00:58:15,108
And of course, we naturally tend to bring in anybody that does something like that, but I just don't see enough growth.

687
00:58:15,228 --> 00:58:22,408
I was thinking it will be much faster. People in different countries would get quicker together and build a nice libertarian community.

688
00:58:23,028 --> 00:58:28,088
But maybe we'll see that next year when we announce this, for example, this project, we will see much more resorts.

689
00:58:37,528 --> 00:58:41,328
What is the case with Liberland?

690
00:58:41,328 --> 00:58:43,448
I mean, that's the case with Liberland.

691
00:58:43,448 --> 00:58:46,648
I don't think we are willing to compromise too much at this stage.

692
00:58:46,648 --> 00:58:48,528
We want to run our business.

693
00:58:48,528 --> 00:58:55,808
We are happy to take their advice, but we are not in the situation to become an autonomous

694
00:58:55,808 --> 00:58:57,968
territory in Croatia at this stage.

695
00:58:57,968 --> 00:59:00,548
But again, we are open for discussion.

696
00:59:00,548 --> 00:59:03,268
We are not closed-minded.

697
00:59:07,528 --> 00:59:14,528
How do you think they are doing this?

698
00:59:14,528 --> 00:59:21,528
I think they do pay attention, they watch us closely and they see that we are bringing value to the region

699
00:59:21,528 --> 00:59:25,528
and they don't have any problems with us here.

700
00:59:25,528 --> 00:59:30,528
We don't have any problems with them, but yes, of course, I wish the bureaucratic processes in Serbia

701
00:59:30,528 --> 00:59:36,528
were a little bit faster than they are, because if they were, we would already have also

702
00:59:36,528 --> 00:59:42,208
like a flourishing city here but under the current circumstances it's a bit more difficult but we're

703
00:59:42,208 --> 00:59:48,528
launching the longevity and spa 200 meters from here in a very nice historical building the

704
00:59:48,528 --> 00:59:53,488
construction will start in two months you're very welcome to come for our longevity conference

705
00:59:53,488 --> 00:59:59,648
in november 1st and 2nd that will be the official lunch and we are building some eight eight nine

706
00:59:59,648 --> 01:00:05,808
plots uh over there very very beautiful ambient you know with swans and with horses now if you go

707
01:00:05,808 --> 01:00:11,328
there nice oak trees so it will be a there will be a lake in the middle so

708
01:00:11,328 --> 01:00:16,068
we are expanding here as well and not just leaving this area which is still

709
01:00:16,068 --> 01:00:20,808
frozen because of some bureaucratic processes there was according to my

710
01:00:20,808 --> 01:00:24,228
original plan five years ago there was supposed to be a nice hotel right next

711
01:00:24,228 --> 01:00:27,288
to this building but it's impossible on the current setup but not because we

712
01:00:27,288 --> 01:00:30,808
wouldn't have money or we have capacity just because things are a little bit

713
01:00:30,808 --> 01:00:31,868
difficult

714
01:00:35,808 --> 01:00:40,808
What is the problem with the government?

715
01:00:40,808 --> 01:00:43,808
We really have open doors right now.

716
01:00:43,808 --> 01:00:51,808
Imagine we have 1200 citizens and now all of them are actually welcome to come in Liberland and build

717
01:00:51,808 --> 01:00:56,808
and they are getting sovereign guarantees for the investments that they are making in Liberland.

718
01:00:56,808 --> 01:01:02,808
That means that they are actually going to get, in the case of something happening to these structures,

719
01:01:02,808 --> 01:01:09,688
risk or any kind of flooding or anything and if they build a going to these construction standards

720
01:01:09,688 --> 01:01:15,288
we're giving them sovereign guarantees baked by liberal and merits for for these constructions

721
01:01:17,368 --> 01:01:18,648
kind of kind of kind of

722
01:01:18,648 --> 01:01:25,648
enough

723
01:01:29,828 --> 01:01:33,528
they they're getting they're getting the insurance or not it's not insurance

724
01:01:33,528 --> 01:01:37,268
it's like sovereign guarantee that's the way we should call it and they're

725
01:01:37,268 --> 01:01:43,488
getting it in merits so the shares of Liberland are yes yes but not in the

726
01:01:43,488 --> 01:01:46,448
liquid form they are getting it in the stake form like everybody else that pays

727
01:01:46,448 --> 01:01:52,688
taxes that means we can talk about it of course how the system of because we use it for voting

728
01:01:52,688 --> 01:01:59,168
we use it as a collateral in our crim in the criminal cases or any kind of disputes we use it

729
01:02:00,048 --> 01:02:06,128
as a form of reputation even companies basically when they pay taxes they get staked merits or we

730
01:02:06,128 --> 01:02:11,968
call them polypooled merits that means they're quite like frozen on the blockchain but you can

731
01:02:11,968 --> 01:02:18,508
can unstake 10% a year so you can still benefit from you can ask for your taxes back for your

732
01:02:18,508 --> 01:02:23,188
voluntary taxes back think about it like no the taxes are voluntary you can actually get them back

733
01:02:23,188 --> 01:02:29,588
if you want to not everything at once but in this reasonable ratio 10% a year which should and

734
01:02:29,588 --> 01:02:36,028
everything is kind of 10% because like healthy growth of a society normally is 10% so I was

735
01:02:36,028 --> 01:02:39,868
thinking it's possible and it's already working like there are people on welfare in Liberland like

736
01:02:39,868 --> 01:02:47,188
people that have settled for half year like Mirek and Veronica the couple now

737
01:02:47,188 --> 01:02:52,468
they're constantly on welfare in Liberland they're using the shares that

738
01:02:52,468 --> 01:02:56,048
they have gained through their settlement activities where they didn't

739
01:02:56,048 --> 01:03:01,028
require any salary they were paid in Liberland stake merits they're unstaking

740
01:03:01,028 --> 01:03:05,128
them or unpolit pooling them every month and they're making a reasonable amount

741
01:03:05,128 --> 01:03:14,088
money. Well there is a decentralized exchange directly in our blockchain so they can just

742
01:03:14,088 --> 01:03:18,328
jump there and then sell it. They get Liberland dollars and Liberland dollars are already

743
01:03:18,328 --> 01:03:22,728
traded on more than 20 exchanges around the world.

744
01:03:22,728 --> 01:03:43,728
You know.

745
01:03:43,728 --> 01:03:48,668
You know.

746
01:03:48,668 --> 01:03:54,388
I'm a monetary economist by profession, right?

747
01:03:54,388 --> 01:03:57,048
And then I also studied political science.

748
01:03:57,048 --> 01:04:01,028
And I took quite deep interest into monetary policy in general.

749
01:04:01,028 --> 01:04:06,908
My main work was on the foreign reserves.

750
01:04:06,908 --> 01:04:09,548
So that like from early age, I was always interested in that.

751
01:04:09,548 --> 01:04:15,468
So I think I designed the system quite well, basically using the best ideas from people

752
01:04:15,468 --> 01:04:21,948
like Milton Friedman about automated central bank and best ideas about the governance from

753
01:04:21,948 --> 01:04:27,068
all these libertarian thinkers and really combine it into a tokenomics model.

754
01:04:27,388 --> 01:04:32,848
And I think it's still like pretty badly underappreciated in the crypto world, even though,

755
01:04:33,028 --> 01:04:34,708
let me give you an example, okay?

756
01:04:35,488 --> 01:04:40,168
So what, because crypto world is of course crazy and there is like high irrationality

757
01:04:40,168 --> 01:04:46,888
in the markets. But of course, the projects with substance prevail and I believe building

758
01:04:46,888 --> 01:04:52,708
a sovereign country on blockchain is the most substantial thing you can do on blockchain.

759
01:04:52,708 --> 01:04:58,708
So I believe that even the crypto crazy meme markets will at some point properly recognize

760
01:04:58,708 --> 01:05:04,108
what we're doing. But we had already this hype, like Liberland dollar went 50x from

761
01:05:04,108 --> 01:05:09,148
one dollar to 50 dollars and that was quite shortly after we released them and we released

762
01:05:09,148 --> 01:05:14,348
them as a form of dividend to everybody that had merits. So think about it was like a three-hour

763
01:05:14,348 --> 01:05:24,048
option to cash out all the dividends for 50x and the dividend was nominally 10% of the value

764
01:05:24,048 --> 01:05:28,948
of what people ever give to Liberland in any shape or form. And so there was three hours

765
01:05:28,948 --> 01:05:45,262
after 10 years of development of Liberland where you could cash out 5x on any energy or money that was given to Liberland and it was just the first dividend So I think there is a huge potential when it comes to having

766
01:05:45,262 --> 01:05:49,602
Liberland also as a very successful investment project and this was kind of

767
01:05:49,602 --> 01:05:55,042
first proof of that concept and I think there will be many more stories like that

768
01:05:55,042 --> 01:06:00,642
but it all depends on very irrational crypto markets.

769
01:06:02,482 --> 01:06:25,242
We are growing, we are growing.

770
01:06:25,242 --> 01:06:29,762
If you follow the numbers, we are very close to 800,000 people that applied for citizenship

771
01:06:29,762 --> 01:06:36,762
and you can see that every week there is another 700, 800, 2000 people that apply for citizenship.

772
01:06:36,762 --> 01:06:38,762
It's quite, it's like...

773
01:06:42,762 --> 01:06:46,762
Of course, most of them apply and never follow through with the payment or never,

774
01:06:46,762 --> 01:06:55,762
but there is quite a serious interest and I think we're sending out around 300, 400 e-residency cards a month right now.

775
01:06:55,762 --> 01:06:59,862
So yes, there is like substantial interest in what we're doing.

776
01:07:00,342 --> 01:07:05,842
What I'm doing with Liberland dollar ecosystem, and it was not that easy decision to make.

777
01:07:05,922 --> 01:07:08,342
Like we were not supposed to have a currency actually initially.

778
01:07:09,062 --> 01:07:13,642
But then we, for legal compliance reasons, that was one of the main reasons.

779
01:07:13,642 --> 01:07:18,242
And also for technological reasons because of the blockchain ecosystem that we adopted.

780
01:07:18,582 --> 01:07:20,162
We were kind of pushed to do it.

781
01:07:20,222 --> 01:07:22,142
And I think it was actually the good decision to make.

782
01:07:22,142 --> 01:07:30,522
First of all, yes, there is a great benefit that when people adopt your currency, you can collect the seignorage.

783
01:07:30,522 --> 01:07:39,702
The fact that people are using your currency is beneficial and that's kind of a tax that nobody sees happening,

784
01:07:39,702 --> 01:07:44,702
but it's better if this energy stays within the society.

785
01:07:44,702 --> 01:07:49,142
and yes, newly printed Liberland dollars go to Liberland Congress

786
01:07:49,142 --> 01:07:52,462
and they are therefore spending for the infrastructure projects.

787
01:07:53,202 --> 01:07:55,982
And now they're spent, I would say, half on settlement,

788
01:07:56,382 --> 01:07:58,402
these newly minted Liberland dollars,

789
01:07:58,682 --> 01:08:01,162
and it's being built, I would say, in a reasonable way there.

790
01:08:01,562 --> 01:08:05,122
And half of it is going to the development of the infrastructure of Liberland dollar.

791
01:08:05,222 --> 01:08:09,762
And I'm very proud that we finally got listed, for example, on Alchemy Pay.

792
01:08:10,382 --> 01:08:13,522
So anybody can buy Liberland dollars with credit card in one second.

793
01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:15,482
We haven't had that for quite some time.

794
01:08:16,122 --> 01:08:17,702
And we've got two more gateways.

795
01:08:18,022 --> 01:08:21,242
And PintoPay will very soon adopt Liberland dollars.

796
01:08:21,342 --> 01:08:24,822
So you can directly pay with Liberland dollars using your credit card that you have in the phone.

797
01:08:25,082 --> 01:08:26,602
So we have closed the ecosystem.

798
01:08:27,382 --> 01:08:32,462
And I believe we have become substantially better than any euro ecosystem.

799
01:08:33,742 --> 01:08:38,562
In that sense that we allow anybody to easily jump in from the fiat world.

800
01:08:38,702 --> 01:08:41,122
And easily jump back to the fiat world.

801
01:08:41,122 --> 01:08:45,042
or stay inside of the crypto ecosystem and make business inside of it.

802
01:09:11,122 --> 01:09:14,422
Like people said, we should have made the governance on top of Bitcoin.

803
01:09:14,422 --> 01:09:16,422
I don't think it was technologically possible.

804
01:09:16,662 --> 01:09:19,922
Maybe today with RSK we could build something like that.

805
01:09:20,422 --> 01:09:25,342
But what I really like that we build a sovereign system independent of anything else, including Bitcoin.

806
01:09:25,502 --> 01:09:26,882
Because, you know, I like Bitcoin.

807
01:09:27,082 --> 01:09:34,002
You know, we adopted Bitcoin 10 years ago in Liberland, like seven years before El Salvador has even started talking about it.

808
01:09:34,042 --> 01:09:34,462
It's great.

809
01:09:34,902 --> 01:09:36,922
But I like the sovereignty aspect.

810
01:09:36,922 --> 01:09:41,402
and even Bitcoin is something out of my control

811
01:09:41,402 --> 01:09:45,082
or out of the society that we are building control, right?

812
01:09:45,122 --> 01:09:49,842
So I really like that aspect of having the whole package basically.

813
01:09:50,702 --> 01:09:53,222
And yes, we build those rules that are completely transparent

814
01:09:53,222 --> 01:09:54,922
about how new money is created.

815
01:09:55,182 --> 01:09:56,882
Liberland merit is 70 million.

816
01:09:57,022 --> 01:09:58,682
It never will be more than 70 million.

817
01:09:58,682 --> 01:10:00,362
It's very much like the Bitcoin model.

818
01:10:01,162 --> 01:10:05,822
But the Liberland dollar model is basically the model

819
01:10:05,822 --> 01:10:09,162
that Milton Friedman envisioned for automated central bank.

820
01:10:09,282 --> 01:10:13,262
There is a set, not inflation, by the way,

821
01:10:13,422 --> 01:10:16,742
you can have deflation even with a lot of new money printed, right?

822
01:10:17,162 --> 01:10:21,022
But there is a set monetary increase every year, which is 10%.

823
01:10:21,022 --> 01:10:24,562
And I believe that we are definitely growing,

824
01:10:24,702 --> 01:10:27,042
our economy is definitely growing faster than 10%.

825
01:10:27,042 --> 01:10:30,502
That means that even with the increasing monetary supply,

826
01:10:30,502 --> 01:10:34,942
the chances that the value of Liberland dollar will always go up are pretty high.

827
01:10:34,942 --> 01:10:38,302
and we made the token very rare.

828
01:10:38,302 --> 01:10:40,942
We didn't print billions of it.

829
01:10:40,942 --> 01:10:45,942
So I think if we just see a little bit more general adoption

830
01:10:45,942 --> 01:10:49,582
outside of Liberland, which is gonna be very likely

831
01:10:49,582 --> 01:10:53,762
if we keep all these cool ecosystem things

832
01:10:53,762 --> 01:10:56,942
like the credit cards, like onboarding, easy onboarding,

833
01:10:56,942 --> 01:10:59,482
like putting everything into one mobile app,

834
01:10:59,482 --> 01:11:02,882
then we will see people using it all around the world.

835
01:11:04,942 --> 01:11:06,942
you

836
01:11:22,862 --> 01:11:29,282
This is another you know debate by the way like still you've got the developers that are in charge of bitcoin development, right?

837
01:11:29,282 --> 01:11:33,322
There was huge debate about the size of the block.

838
01:11:33,722 --> 01:11:36,722
It's still man-made thing, right?

839
01:11:36,782 --> 01:11:39,042
Even though it's mathematically bait, it's man-made.

840
01:11:39,182 --> 01:11:41,162
There are still developers, there are still miners.

841
01:11:42,002 --> 01:11:45,842
It's not a Liberland sovereign project from that.

842
01:11:45,982 --> 01:11:47,742
It can be hijacked, actually.

843
01:11:48,102 --> 01:11:50,162
If people say it cannot be hijacked, it can be hijacked.

844
01:11:50,342 --> 01:11:53,842
If you actually call half of the Bitcoin miners

845
01:11:53,842 --> 01:11:55,822
and you thread them that you will shoot them

846
01:11:55,822 --> 01:11:58,462
if they don't do something, it can be hijacked

847
01:11:58,462 --> 01:12:06,422
also on that level. So, and again, 90% of Liberland monetary reserves are in Bitcoin.

848
01:12:06,422 --> 01:12:14,062
We are putting 10% of our monthly revenue always to Bitcoin for reserves. So we have adopted

849
01:12:14,062 --> 01:12:19,622
that strategy very well. But I'm just saying that for us, it's not like a religion that

850
01:12:19,622 --> 01:12:25,802
it has become for many people. We see it like realistically in that sense that, you know,

851
01:12:25,802 --> 01:12:29,242
there is always going to be evolution of monetary system.

852
01:12:29,502 --> 01:12:32,462
Like Bitcoin is not the ultimate answer to everything.

853
01:12:32,702 --> 01:12:35,542
No, it's a very good system that will probably prevail

854
01:12:35,542 --> 01:12:37,522
for another 30 to 50 years,

855
01:12:37,662 --> 01:12:41,922
but it's very likely to be at least,

856
01:12:42,062 --> 01:12:43,982
you know, like if you now jump into Solan ecosystem,

857
01:12:44,122 --> 01:12:45,122
it's just amazing, right?

858
01:12:45,142 --> 01:12:48,102
Like in that sense that you can literally flip any asset

859
01:12:48,102 --> 01:12:49,982
for any other asset in one second.

860
01:12:50,482 --> 01:12:52,942
You also have a high degree of decentralization.

861
01:12:52,942 --> 01:13:05,522
and so yes I'm not the most Bitcoin fundamentalist as many even liberal citizens are.

862
01:13:05,662 --> 01:13:09,942
I'm a big believer that this is a great way to decentralize, take the money away from the state.

863
01:13:10,482 --> 01:13:18,362
Yes we have created a state currency but what we have done is we put into it the best we could find

864
01:13:18,362 --> 01:13:22,782
again from what we found in central banking and what we found in the crypto madness.

865
01:13:22,942 --> 01:13:24,942
I think the...

866
01:13:48,822 --> 01:13:49,982
No, that's not true.

867
01:13:49,982 --> 01:13:52,502
This is the thing that you underestimate.

868
01:13:52,502 --> 01:13:56,502
Liberland is fairly well decentralized right now.

869
01:13:56,502 --> 01:14:02,262
In that sense that right now the whole ecosystem is run more than on 60 computers.

870
01:14:02,262 --> 01:14:07,582
You would have to actually not knock on these guys door one by one and any citizen has the

871
01:14:07,582 --> 01:14:10,162
right to build another node.

872
01:14:10,162 --> 01:14:13,902
I hope there will be thousands of nodes from that perspective because it's actually quite

873
01:14:13,902 --> 01:14:14,902
profitable.

874
01:14:14,902 --> 01:14:16,302
Do you use your own blockchain?

875
01:14:16,302 --> 01:14:20,902
Yeah, it's a custom version of the substrate.

876
01:14:22,502 --> 01:14:52,482
.

877
01:14:52,482 --> 01:14:56,022
There must be, of course, there are major upgrades now and on.

878
01:14:56,022 --> 01:14:59,942
And of course, we are three years away probably from,

879
01:14:59,976 --> 01:15:03,016
serious quantum computer problem.

880
01:15:03,016 --> 01:15:04,656
Like I think everybody underestimates

881
01:15:04,656 --> 01:15:07,096
the speed of development of that.

882
01:15:07,096 --> 01:15:09,636
My personal estimate it will be under three years

883
01:15:09,636 --> 01:15:11,796
when it will become a serious issue

884
01:15:11,796 --> 01:15:14,616
because this development of quantum computers

885
01:15:14,616 --> 01:15:16,776
is also going exponential

886
01:15:16,776 --> 01:15:19,116
and everybody's talking about these qubits

887
01:15:19,116 --> 01:15:21,556
and how it's gonna take 10 years for them to build up.

888
01:15:21,556 --> 01:15:23,776
But then you see that next week,

889
01:15:23,776 --> 01:15:26,476
somebody already doubled the number of qubits, right?

890
01:15:26,476 --> 01:15:27,856
Like, which was seem to-

891
01:15:27,856 --> 01:15:28,696
That's more of an issue to you.

892
01:15:28,696 --> 01:15:29,536
I mean, as far as I understand,

893
01:15:29,976 --> 01:15:36,976
How do you update Bitcoin?

894
01:15:36,976 --> 01:15:41,976
We will be able to update as well, but I'm just saying that somebody actually has to update Bitcoin as well

895
01:15:41,976 --> 01:15:44,976
and it's also a political topic, how to update it.

896
01:15:44,976 --> 01:15:51,976
Don't tell me that the whole thing is not also quite political inside of the...

897
01:15:51,976 --> 01:15:56,976
It's not that it's so different from any other software project.

898
01:15:56,976 --> 01:16:01,536
software projects. There are people in charge ultimately the miners have to decide if they

899
01:16:01,536 --> 01:16:07,936
will adopt it or not sometimes they're pushed but I would not say this is a completely given from

900
01:16:07,936 --> 01:16:13,456
god no there is a human structure behind it which is quite trustworthy it's very well decentralized

901
01:16:13,456 --> 01:16:18,576
but still it's a human concept that these guys are humans that are running these machines that

902
01:16:18,576 --> 01:16:21,936
are mining bitcoin.

903
01:16:26,976 --> 01:16:31,276
Yeah.

904
01:16:56,976 --> 01:17:26,956
Thank you.

905
01:17:26,976 --> 01:17:41,584
But either way like you know yes I expecting some bigger jump

906
01:17:41,584 --> 01:17:44,584
but on the other hand, if we just grow 30% a year,

907
01:17:44,584 --> 01:17:48,584
we will outgrow the size of Croatia economy in 20 years from now.

908
01:17:48,584 --> 01:17:51,584
Do you understand that? Like, even though if we just follow the...

909
01:17:51,584 --> 01:17:53,584
Liberland as a kind of brand.

910
01:17:53,584 --> 01:17:57,584
Liberland as a brand will be bigger than Croatian economy in 20 years from now,

911
01:17:57,584 --> 01:18:01,984
from now if we just follow the exponential growth that we've been working.

912
01:18:07,104 --> 01:18:16,624
I mean like of course you know it's very difficult to assess again like creations can go

913
01:18:18,544 --> 01:18:24,064
Waiko and they can like try to really prevent again from anybody walking in lima. I don't think

914
01:18:24,064 --> 01:18:31,064
I think we really came up with the status quo and I think we are improving that situation.

915
01:18:31,064 --> 01:18:35,064
People were not able to live at all for eight years, everybody was arrested now.

916
01:18:35,064 --> 01:18:42,064
People can live in Liberland, Croatia is putting a lot of resources to get us out, but we are growing.

917
01:18:42,064 --> 01:18:47,064
We are able to build two houses a week now. I think we will expand it to five houses a week.

918
01:18:47,064 --> 01:18:50,064
We will simply build a society on Liberty Island.

919
01:18:50,064 --> 01:18:58,064
I hope that we are going to be able to keep good relations with Croatia and they are not coming to come up with some new strategies against us.

920
01:18:58,064 --> 01:19:04,064
But the Liberland as an ecosystem, if we keep growing 30%, yes, we will be all around the world.

921
01:19:04,064 --> 01:19:08,064
There will be probably a couple of countries that adopt our system of governance.

922
01:19:08,064 --> 01:19:13,064
We will have, you know, resorts all around the world at this pace as well.

923
01:19:13,064 --> 01:19:18,164
as well and yes Liberland we will put quite a few resources to actually make

924
01:19:18,164 --> 01:19:23,664
it inhabitable and a sovereign piece of land and and from the budget that is

925
01:19:23,664 --> 01:19:28,884
growing about 20-30% every year we will always put 10 to 15% to make sure that

926
01:19:28,884 --> 01:19:32,984
that we are building new society here and I think at some point that pressure

927
01:19:32,984 --> 01:19:38,864
will be so huge that even if Croatia simply I believe they will have bigger

928
01:19:38,864 --> 01:19:43,544
problems than to try to destroy a bunch of houses on the territory that they

929
01:19:43,544 --> 01:19:48,824
don't that they don't claim right this is the fun fact like there is some some

930
01:19:48,824 --> 01:19:55,704
level of their capacity to just mess up with somebody else's business and they

931
01:19:55,704 --> 01:20:00,104
might also have at some point much bigger problems than then then putting

932
01:20:00,104 --> 01:20:04,004
resources to destruction of what somebody else is doing

933
01:20:08,864 --> 01:20:34,172
Thank you

934
01:20:34,192 --> 01:20:46,192
I would say they are still part of Honduras, kind of, and they are having serious legal issues, right?

935
01:20:46,192 --> 01:20:52,192
The question is how far are they able to defend themselves, but they seem to be...

936
01:20:52,192 --> 01:20:59,192
It seems like eventually they just managed to get rid of any competition inside of Honduras

937
01:20:59,192 --> 01:21:03,192
by what the Honduras government did, which seems pretty good.

938
01:21:03,192 --> 01:21:08,232
But of course, again, they are still within a country that has its own army.

939
01:21:08,532 --> 01:21:09,972
They can make their own laws.

940
01:21:10,112 --> 01:21:13,012
They can decide not to respect their treaties,

941
01:21:13,112 --> 01:21:14,732
just like, of course, we have with Croatia.

942
01:21:14,732 --> 01:21:17,592
Even though they could recognize us at some point,

943
01:21:17,672 --> 01:21:21,532
then they could come back and invade us just because they have a bigger army.

944
01:21:21,952 --> 01:21:24,032
But this all comes down to diplomacy.

945
01:21:24,292 --> 01:21:27,152
This all comes down to really making friends at the right places

946
01:21:27,152 --> 01:21:31,812
and making sure that we survive in this Balkan ecosystem.

947
01:21:31,812 --> 01:21:36,692
but people are you know used to having new countries here i think it's a really good spot to start a new country

948
01:21:36,692 --> 01:21:38,592
i do hope one day

949
01:21:38,592 --> 01:22:01,752
you know there is there is one thing which you should not also you know right

950
01:22:01,752 --> 01:22:11,772
To get listed on the list of countries, for example, on Wikipedia, you literally need to get recognition just by one or two countries on that list.

951
01:22:12,492 --> 01:22:16,252
It's not that getting to the country list is so difficult.

952
01:22:16,452 --> 01:22:16,892
It's not.

953
01:22:17,772 --> 01:22:19,492
We have that already.

954
01:22:19,592 --> 01:22:28,712
We cannot disclose it because it's not strong enough and it would be probably messed with by the powers that be.

955
01:22:28,712 --> 01:22:30,952
But we are building up more and more of it.

956
01:22:30,952 --> 01:22:36,632
and yes like we are actually recognized country these days

957
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,960
I just find the whole thing absolutely

958
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:54,420
I can't juggle that many issues in my head at once

959
01:22:54,420 --> 01:22:57,660
Let me just talk about one more thing

960
01:22:57,660 --> 01:23:01,320
Think about for example Mr. Beast

961
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,140
How many Lamborghinis he burned

962
01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:06,300
And people are kind of excited to watch it

963
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:08,520
And they throw millions at him through the advertisement

964
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:16,700
like we have maybe half million dollar of damage from Croatia in last three years right it's not

965
01:23:16,700 --> 01:23:26,600
even one Lambo but we are using this environment that like a real case environment to really

966
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:31,560
finalize our system of governance finalize the system of how the police will be working

967
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:36,400
you can basically anybody can try right away on our mobile app how the liberal and police system

968
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:42,480
will work or how the tenders are completely open. So with very little, I would say, costs,

969
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:48,720
we are able to change a lot of mindset about the feasibility of things because we are literally

970
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:53,660
showing that things can work and we are making a lot of progress both on diplomatic front and

971
01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:58,060
yes, we are heavily underfunded, I believe, and heavily underappreciated,

972
01:23:58,220 --> 01:24:01,300
but that still doesn't stop us from growing 30-40% a year.

973
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:07,420
Thank you for the interview.

974
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:08,360
As always, pleasure.

975
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:41,280
Yeah, that's a resort for Liberlanders that are fed up with settling Liberland so they can come and enjoy themselves in Serbia for a while.

976
01:24:41,860 --> 01:24:49,280
But really, the plan is to make it into also a city here, you know, but Serbia is actually quite reasonable when it comes to many regulations.

977
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,540
So I'm happy about having them as a neighbor.

978
01:24:57,500 --> 01:24:58,060
Amazing.

979
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:01,000
Thank you.

980
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:31,280
Thank you.