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Welcome to the Free Cities podcast. My name is Timothy Allen and this is the official podcast

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of the Free Cities Foundation.

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Hello and welcome to this episode number 155 of the Free Cities podcast.

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Hello indeed and yes I am back from the wonderful Prague bubble that is or that was I should say

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the Free Cities Conference 2025. For me that was eight days of completely intense discussion,

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amazing meetings and wonderful socializing what can i say well to be honest it's hard to know

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where to start if you were there you know how good it was it was amazing

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everyone i spoke to agreed with me everyone who was there was just super pumped to be there

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massively bullish on the free cities ecosystem from my perspective purely as a content producing

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trip I'd say it was my best one ever loads of new people from the space and of course some of the

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old favorites I wouldn't let them slip through the cracks socially well reconnecting with old

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friends making new ones mission accomplished there there were certainly new people that I had not

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met before who were coming in to the free cities movement if I was to sum it up well do you know

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what and you can take this from me because I do end up speaking to most people in this ecosystem

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on a regular basis. According to me the free cities movement has entered a new phase in its

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evolution. Something akin to the very beginning stages of a parabolic rise of these ideas and of

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these governance technologies that we all love. This is a sense shared by the majority of the

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people I met at the conference, the people who are living and breathing this stuff on a daily basis.

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We can feel it and I'm sure you can. The number of new projects coming online, the awareness of the

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ideas in the general public, the appearance of new prototypes and marketable technologies,

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They are all there to be seen and felt.

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It's happening.

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Believe me, we're in a new paradigm.

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Be thankful that you are here.

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Be grateful that you have the opportunity to participate.

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Anyway, in the spirit of new paradigms, of moving on,

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we are also, as many of you may already know,

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saying goodbye to the wonderful city of Prague,

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the city that has served us so well for the last four years of this conference.

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Many thanks indeed to Prague and especially to my excellent Airbnb at Jindriska number 20.

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You've been the source of nearly 60 episodes of this podcast and I thank you for your service.

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If you've been an interviewee, you'll know the place.

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It's just around the corner from the conference venue.

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The scene of many an interview about Free Cities next year, of course.

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In case you haven't heard, the Free Cities conference is moving to one of the premier locations in the Free Cities ecosystem.

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Yes, that's right, folks.

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Prospera, September the 3rd until the 6th, 2026 on Roatan, Honduras.

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we're moving it a little earlier than this year in order to get good weather. You're not going to

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want to miss this one and we are limited by numbers and as a result I would predict this is going to

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sell out. So if you really want to attend the conference in 2026 get your tickets as soon as

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you can. This event will sell out. We know how many people came two years ago, we know how many people

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came last year we know how many people came this year and it's going up each year and next year

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it's a smaller venue so it's going to be more intimate so really think long and hard about

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getting your tickets and then get yourselves off to latin america in 2026 talking of latin america

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this episode of the free cities podcast is brought to you as always by our wonderful sponsors of the

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from Tipolis mentioning Veritas Villages quite a lot. They were very active at the conference

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more of that to come in the following weeks in the meantime if you're interested in what they're

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doing www.veritasvillages.com forward slash free cities go and check them out and don't forget to

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tell them we sent you right on to today's show and it is part two of last week's very long

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conversation with swedish doctor joni appleberg i would advise you obviously to listen to part one

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before you listen to this if you haven't already it's literally just a continuation of that episode

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word for word let's just cut straight down the middle at a slightly opportune moment

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quick ai summary to whet your appetite in this wide-ranging conversation

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yoni appleberg discusses integrating alternative healing modalities into his medical practice

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Bitcoin as a tool for societal healing and the future of humanity as a species of explorers and storytellers.

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Key topics covered.

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There's five of them.

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Integrating unconventional medicine in practice.

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Bitcoin as a cultural and monetary phenomenon.

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Civilizational decline and the fiat system.

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The human experience and purpose and the Kardashev scale and future technologies.

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next week i will start putting out all the content from prague it's going to be a good few months

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people it was a mind-blowing week for interviews for me and actually for the podcast itself

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watch this space lots of good things happening for the podcast as we grow larger and larger

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many continued thanks of course to my subscribers on fountain.fm you know who you are and i would

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running of the show and i'm deeply grateful for all your support uh by the way if you're wondering

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where the video version of this episode is it's not on fountain uh go and check out our youtube

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channel where you can see the full three and a half hour video of yoni part one and part two

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together there's only audio on fountain.fm one last thing before i go do me a favor if you're

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continued support, everyone. Right now, it's time to dive into the show. And I would implore you to

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make sure that you are comfortable, as always. And you have a moment away from the hustle and

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bustle of your very busy life, I hope. Remember, folks, this is a 1x podcast. And by that, I mean

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So just sit back, relax and enjoy part two of my conversation with Yoni Appleberg.

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and what about your practice back home how are they taking this or are you not bothered

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you're obviously trying to find a way to implement this in your current life your

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mainstream life, let's call it.

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Yeah I don censor myself I talk very openly about what I think I just don care i just i can be bothered to care about what other people think and if you vibe with what i say awesome we are the same tribe

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if not i don't care if my if my employer uh doesn't think what i'm doing is wise or has

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opinions about it i don't care but what about actually as a practitioner doctor

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at that it'd be very difficult for me as a doctor to not incorporate all this stuff immediately in

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my practice and the first person that i saw come in i'd be like if you just tried lying down and

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relaxing and feeling your body just do it five minutes a day i do i do uh implement some some

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things when I meet certain categories of patients. I changed how I treat depression, PTSD, anxiety,

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chronic pain, for example, these types of conditions. The people that often feel let down

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by the traditional healthcare system, I approach them differently now. And I also work for another

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clinic a cannabis clinic where we deal mostly with chronic pain and my hope is that we can

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introduce psilocybin to the clinic as well eventually and then i am i also have a thing

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on the side where i am a bitcoin doctor for bitcoiners because we are we're essentially a

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cult and we are kind of like the jewish people bitcoiners want a bitcoin doctor the way same way

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a jewish person wants a jewish doctor so i'm providing that service do we want our own homeland

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though that's the question probably we want a citadel don't we but i don't think we all want

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to live to in the same homeland though no no we're too disagreeable for that

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a decentralized homeland but you're right if if if i know someone's a bitcoiner i want to work

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with them you're absolutely yeah exactly but that's mainly because i i know that they understand

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a bunch of things we have done the same journey yeah we know that we're awake to the same things

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mostly and that translates also to how we look at health and life in a lot of ways so it makes sense

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that a bitcoiner would want a bitcoin doctor so i do online consultations um for bitcoiners

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um normal stuff you know like kind of i've got a problem with my leg i can call you yeah

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where people feel let down by the traditional healthcare system

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and things where I can actually provide some help,

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whether it's panic attacks, anxiety, depression, PTSD,

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even stuff like chronic pain.

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tell me then using psilocybin to deal with that kind of stuff are you using the psilocybin to

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sort of loosen yourself up a little bit just to detach from being too judgmental of the stuff so

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that you can actually look at it and start dealing with it i'm not talking about like

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you know physical ailments i'm talking about the sort of because you know when i think of

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say panic attacks um i would imagine that psilocybin and panic attacks aren't the most

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obvious friends because i know that the only time i've ever felt anything remotely like a panic attack

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was when i had a bad trip on mushrooms when i was younger you know for example and i know what that

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that can do i know that that that those kind of drugs what what they do is they which we were

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saying earlier it's very important what you take into that your intention before you go in what did

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you say the three things you need a nice place though set and setting right yeah um your intention

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in going in is tantamount because it's almost like once you start the trip you better make sure that

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you're not reflecting too much about why you've done it after the after the action because you'll

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overthink it and the next thing you'll be spiraling inwards into some hellhole yeah you know yeah and

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so yeah i'm interested to know how how you use psilocybin to help people deal with those kind of

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delicately delicate things like anxiety so there are two aspects to this one is um for myself uh

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to remain grounded um and stay present and stay aligned just as uh as a teacher to continue to be

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on this spiritual journey.

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Life comes with a lot of lessons.

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One of the most important ones for me is about letting go.

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Letting go of youth,

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letting go of all the things that you are going to have to let go of,

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eventually body and life.

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and learning that lesson,

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or you can do it just flowing through it.

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that helps me be the best person that I can be for others.

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When my cup is filled, it's so much easier to help others

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and do it well and do it with passion and love.

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so that for that reason i can sometimes do these uh these trips under guidance so you're guiding

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no no have other people guide me but what about you yes so that's the other aspect of it

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so uh in my own when i do medical consultations there are going to be consultations i'm not going

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to be treating people because I don't have a business set up where I have insurance or

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I can be liable.

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I can make recommendations.

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And if I were to, I can either confirm nor deny if I do this.

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That's a disclaimer.

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In the hypothetical scenario where I guide somebody and using psilocybin as a medicine, we would have to set up the dose setting first and foremost.

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And we would focus on the thing that that person wants healed.

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And it can be a useful tool for some people, but it's a rare medicine to employ.

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because most of the time it's not at all what we need.

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Most of the time it's about lifestyle factors,

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fixing fragmented sleep, fixing diet, fixing exercise,

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recalibrating a high sympathetic nervous system state,

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refixing your HPA axis, your internal hormonal stress system.

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and all of these things taking care of the fundamental physiology.

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you're fixing your nervous system, just recalibrating it to a base state

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where you're back to healthy homeostasis.

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I find weed or cannabis to be a tremendous tool for a lot of healing.

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Ask any doctor about the endocannabinoid system and they will have no clue what you're talking about.

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Yet, this is one of the most important systems that we have in our body.

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It's one of the most important systems that we have in our body.

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That's a sign of a broken system if I ever saw one.

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So what the endocannabinoid system does,

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a lot of people have the experience that cannabis takes care of their pain,

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fixes their sleep, helps them relax,

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takes care of their anxiety or their appetite.

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to fix all other systems.

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is it is a conductor of the body.

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It governs all other systems.

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It governs every organ in your body.

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It governs all other systems.

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So there is no such thing as healthy pain Pain is a good mechanism We need pain That part of our physiology But there is no such thing as healthy chronic pain

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or healthy overwhelming pain.

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something is wrong.

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is that the ascending pathways

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when you have a herniated disc in your back,

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the pain, it comes from three different components.

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It comes from the disc actually breaking.

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by the fluids leaking out and affecting the nerves.

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which means just tissue damage pain.

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there's an inflammatory pain, and there's neuropathic pain,

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pain within the nervous system.

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Very complex pain.

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So the ascending pathways from the spinal cord

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delivering pain signals to the brain,

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if pain is essentially the only sensory stimulus

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that doesn't fade with stimulation,

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because the receptors in your retina get overwhelmed.

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or if you caress your skin,

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eventually you stop feeling it as much.

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The first bite of a meal

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tastes more than the second and the third.

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Every sensory input diminishes with more stimulation

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apart from pain.

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Pain is the only one that increases with persistent stimulation.

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So when this pain doesn't go away, when it doesn't heal, it just continues and it ramps up.

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So in the ascending pathways, you will have turned up the volume of the pain.

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And eventually you'll also have the descending pathways,

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which are going down from the brain to the injury site that prevent the sensation of pain,

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that are the body's own pharmacological way of diminishing pain.

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Those don't really work anymore.

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So what the endocannabinoid system does

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is that it nudges the pain system

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to turn down the volume of the ingoing pain signals

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and turn up the volume on the inhibiting signals.

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so it lets the body fix itself by correcting imbalances that's what cannabis does it puts

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your body back in proper homeostasis back into balance so that it can heal itself that's why it

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often takes a few weeks for cannabis to start working on your chronic fatigue syndrome or your

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chronic pain or your stress syndrome or whatever it is you're struggling with but it can be a

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tremendous tool if used correctly are you saying that your body can heal itself from forget physical

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trauma whatever do you say your body can heal itself from anything not anything uh but we are

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vastly under uh appreciating the body's own healing potential like go back to the aging cell

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we're talking about other stuff and you think that this new frontier of science is about

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devising therapies against the hallmarks of aging

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but will your body is that is the aging cell happening because of

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dis-ease or is it happening because it's inbuilt into the getting old algorithm or whatever

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yeah that's probably going to be something we discover along the way of entering the third

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medical paradigm. What we know now is that in 2013 came a paper titled The Nine Hallmarks of

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Aging that looked at decades worth of the biology of aging. And we now know that there are nine

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diseases at the cellular level. Things like DNA breaks, telomere attrition, intracellular signal

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pathways that are disrupted, epigenetic alterations, these types of things. And some of them happen

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because of toxins. Some of them happen because of radiation. Some of them happen just by pure

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chance we don't know why. So there are like mitochondria, like all of these things that we

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now cause aging in the cell.

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What we can do now is start to,

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now that we have identified these diseases,

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is that we start to design therapies and treatments

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against these diseases at the cellular level.

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And then that's a way of immunizing

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against age-related illnesses.

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The body can heal a lot.

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I don't know how the body would heal these types of diseases.

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We might discover that it can at some point if we just nudge it in the right direction.

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I mean, presumably, it's easy to argue.

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Sorry, we do have a lot of enzymes that actually take care of telomere attrition and DNA breaks and so on.

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So we have a lot of already working mechanisms to repair.

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but when those are working and in place, then we age at the rate that we do now.

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So we are trying to reverse that.

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Evolution works in a way that it keeps you healthy until you have served your purpose,

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which is to have kids, take care of the kids, and then be a grandparent and pass on your wisdom.

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But after that, the diseases start accumulating very rapidly.

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That's what I was going to say.

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Presumably the aging cell is an evolutionary adaptation,

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which keeps generations flowing.

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What you don't really want is, well,

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what the evolutionary force obviously didn't want

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was people living too long,

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because then the generational change would be slowed down somewhat.

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But then again, you could have more children.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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I mean, if we're afraid of overpopulation and stuff like that, we would have other mechanisms for that to take care of itself, if that were a thing.

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So why do we die then? What's the point? Why do we need to die?

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Tim, we don't know. Death is very, very mysterious.

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Something that I've seen in deep psychedelic states is when you get to peer beyond the veil of reality, when you get to look at the source code of reality, when you have that experience of reality starting to glide and then you're no longer in this place and you start to see that time isn't time.

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physical space isn't physical space it's all an illusion this none of this exists

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yoni appleberg doesn't exist this is just a character that i have created i am not

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yoni appleberg experience in the universe i am the universe experiencing yoni appleberg

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and i'm i'm quite happy with that i like this character

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so when when you have that experience of just reality gliding away from you

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and you see that oh nothing exists time is is just uh it's just an illusion like we have this idea

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that we are coherent individuals we have we have the illusion in our mind that we have an identity

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We have memories like a string of pearls creating this coherence.

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We have this voice in our head.

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We have all these mental modules that create a cohesive organism.

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None of that is real.

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We are not individuals.

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We are the illusion of an individual.

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We have the illusion of time.

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We have the illusion of physical space, but none of this exists.

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And when you go into that place and you just have your worldview completely shattered,

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and you're in that place with probably fairly high anxiety and you're terrified,

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seeing that time is not what we think it is.

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Physical space is not what we think it is.

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You as an individual doesn even exist And then you come back from that and you have to make peace

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that nothing is as it seems. That can be a real challenge, and it can be quite anxiety-inducing.

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I mean, I'm not in that place at this exact moment, so I'm talking about it intellectually,

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So I can't put the emotion behind it that it deserves.

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But I also know that I've been there and I've had to make peace with the idea that time isn't real, physical space isn't real, I'm not real.

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And then come back from that and start building a life from within that pain and make that life worth living despite all of that pain that those realizations bring.

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I suppose the question, though, what is it all about?

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I mean, with that experience, it would be very easy for me to hypothesize that, A, we live in a simulation, a computer-generated simulation, especially now what we know about computers and what's coming.

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Because you can kind of predict a little bit into the future of computers.

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It would make sense that it was just a bit of an experiment.

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Because the way you described it was that, really, it doesn't matter.

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None of this is real and none of it matters, which you kind of get a sense of if you actually

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spend a quiet moment on your own away from it all.

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It's very easy to look around and go, yeah, right now, this is just, this is just is what

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it is.

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I fully accept this.

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And actually, it doesn't matter.

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Like, do I even, you know, you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Staring death in the eye.

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Death looks at, laughs at all of us.

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All we can do is laugh back.

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so when we look death in the eye and make peace with it and when we have if you have the courage

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to make peace with the fact that everything is it just isn't real and not just end up in a

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psychotic state if you have the courage to go on that path i think it could be worthwhile

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but it's not for everybody but but some many people would say what you're you're you're a fool

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if you carry on at that point.

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If you realize everything's, nothing matters,

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not in a nihilistic way, just in a, you know,

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it's not like I don't care anymore.

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It's like, it's not important.

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If I was to fail right now, it wouldn't matter.

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Exactly.

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So you can look at it like, holy shit, nothing matters.

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What the hell are we doing?

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Or you can look at it like, holy shit, nothing matters.

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Fucking awesome.

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I get to decide.

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you can you can leverage to your uh to your benefit as well but leverage what that nothing

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matters every everything you you make of this exactly what you want you have the human experience

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body gives you the human experience and you make of it exactly what you want here's here's uh here's

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a secret that no one is telling you there are no laws there are no rules there are people that think

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that there are laws and rules.

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But you are a human being on this planet.

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You get to decide.

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You do life exactly as you want.

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And we are living,

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it's very easy to look around you

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and realize we're living in a world

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where the tension is between control and freedom.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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It's very easy.

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The way you described it there is,

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if you were to tell yourself that,

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what you just said the only reason you would is because you know people are trying to control you

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other people or other forces are going to control you and the antidote is i'm pretty exactly and

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that's a mental shift and when you see these things when you meet death when you meet the

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source code of reality you can just laugh at all that who who another grown man is telling me

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a grown man what i can and cannot do with my consciousness that is absolutely ridiculous

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this the consciousness is the most intimate thing that we have and people are trying to control that

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my consciousness is my consciousness and nobody has any say in what i do with it but what about

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physical um control yeah what about you're locked in a cage you're in you're in auschwitz

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or whatever you're you're locked in a cage somewhere you're you're being controlled by a

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very a crime against god right but but how do you and you know you know man you know man's search for

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meaning obviously yeah are we gonna are you gonna go down that route when i say how do you deal with

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that kind of thing yeah that's so that's about having a why uh that's that's essentially uh

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victor frankel's message you can bear anyhow if you just have a why and finding a why but with

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regards to that you were saying i agree with you when you say when you when you actually spend the

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time to to go into it you realize yeah i'm free i'm free it doesn't matter what the government

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says it doesn't matter what my partner says it doesn't matter what that guy over there wants to

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beat me up says it i'm free you know but there is a physical reality that we have to address and that

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is i can't get out of this room without opening a window or a door because there's a barrier there

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but i mean i'm not against believing that i can walk through that wall i'm really not my mind is

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open to the possibility i know it sounds ridiculous but if you said to me no but tim really you can

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walk through that door a bit like the matrix or something i could probably be brought to a point

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where i really believed it so much who knows i might be able to walk through that wall i don't

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actually know it sounds stupid and crazy and ridiculous but really theoretically you could go

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there we're bound to the physical world as physical beings we're bound by its

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laws and that said if you if I were ever were to find myself incarcerated for

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whatever reason and I did not joy enjoy the physical world that I found myself

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in I would I would free myself spiritually in a in take the opportunity to go deep into a spiritual

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realm where I am free and it doesn't matter where I am or when I am because I would be free and I

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would have all the things that I can provide for myself which is peace love and happiness there's

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those things don't come from achievements or from uh the exterior world they help

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the external world uh as you architect it can certainly put you in a place that you appreciate

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more there's beauty in the world that we can appreciate yeah but what about if you're being

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tortured yeah in some hell hole in afghanistan i don't know you're you know you're you're captured

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by the and you're tortured and how did you know i know this is an extreme but i do want to

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understand what's possible because i know the theory and my life is sweet but really when you

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look at the amount of um the amount of of pain and suffering that i have to endure it's really

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under my own control if i choose to suffer it's because i go out and i climb a mountain and and

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it hurts or whatever i don't i don't enjoy i don't even get into those scenarios where i

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but but but sorry but it's probably coming actually when you think of it i mean if you

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look at the state of the world as someone who appreciates freedom and as you do the world is

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coming in it is is encroaching more and more and more um i don't really like being told what to do

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obviously, especially not by people who I don't respect and who I don't feel like it's a fair fight.

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You know, I'm thinking about just even the state would be a good example.

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It's getting crazy. It's getting ridiculous.

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The rules, the regulations, the laws, the quagmire of nonsense is ramping up.

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more and more every day you hear the most ridiculous story of incompetence or ridiculousness and in the

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end i think we all fall foul of the state so we all become illegal we all become criminals i'm

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almost a criminal i mean obviously on a day-to-day basis we're all criminals we all do think we'll

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break rules and break laws but not in an overt way i i'm but i'm starting to notice that that's

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happening. You know, I, we were talking about the online safety bill in the UK

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this morning and everyone, I was already using a VPN anyway. It didn't really

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matter, but thousands and thousands of Brits are now using VPNs that weren't

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before that act. Cool. Problem solved. When they ban VPNs, I'm a criminal and

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I've been using a VPN for years and I'm a criminal. Not because I'm trying to

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skirt the, this rule, even though I would use it for that, obviously it's no, and

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If I want to go to an over-18 site, it's literally none of anyone's business except my own.

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But I'm now a criminal, and I'm an overt criminal, because it would be very hard for me not to,

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on this podcast, when someone says, I'm saying, fuck it, no.

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Nothing changed.

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I was Tim Allen surfing, as Freddie said this morning, surfing the Reddit forum for craft beers.

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Two weeks ago, I didn't need to present my credit card.

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Now I do, because it's a craft beer.

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Did you know this?

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This is how ridiculous it's getting.

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This online safety bill in the UK.

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It basically has earmarked a bunch of sites as not safe for children.

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and if you want to go to them and you have a british isp you have to now put your credit card

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details in and everyone thought oh it's porn hub it's whatever it's not no it's for example it's

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the ai i use venice.ai was the first one my daughter came to me and said dad look it's asking

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me for i was like what are you looking you know and i'm like oh jesus it really is she had a vpn

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set her phone i gave her a phone and she has a vpn on it and it was set to england which is what

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we kind of do we're only i'm only interested in the privacy at the point i don't need to be jumping

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around the world looking at different tv stations and all this kind of stuff um but but but um yeah

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the it this umbrella term of keeping the children safe means that now if you want to go on the

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reddit forum for craft beer because it's an over 18 type thing you need to do that i mean this is

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late stage soviet union now right like we we have been in uh civilizational decline since the 1970s

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i think probably yes i was born in the 70s oh yes yes yes congratulations

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1971 in uh okay that's what the fuck happened in 1971 mate

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when everyone talks about that wtf 1971 it's like i was born bitch yeah

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yeah so in in in my uh abundance through scarcity thesis i argue that we

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peaked as a civilization in the 1970s and uh since then we have declined fairly rapidly i mean we've

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had technological development and economic development since then so that sort of masks

437
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:06,920
the decline. But it's the natural state of any civilization to ebb and flow in and out of decline

438
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:15,840
and progress. So that just goes in waves. But the decline can sometimes become dangerous.

439
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:28,560
And it becomes particularly dangerous when we have a trifecta of disease, war, and natural

440
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:35,740
catastrophes coinciding. Because those three events, especially when they coincide, become

441
00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:44,960
too expensive for any society. We can't muster the resources to take care of all of them at the same

442
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:51,900
time. We can often deal with one or two, but when they come at the same time, it becomes very,

443
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:58,700
very challenging to deal with them. And this is what we've seen in many civilizations that have

444
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:05,120
fallen. That is those three things that coincide. And what every state then does is that they start

445
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:13,140
devalue the currency, produce more of the currency with the same face value, which means that they're

446
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:18,600
confiscating the purchasing power of the people of today, but also the purchasing power of people

447
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:27,620
of tomorrow. So they are stealing from onboard generations to bolster the government and the

448
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:34,920
military so that we can deal with these threats now. But it never works. It never works. And when

449
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:41,180
it doesn't work and we lose the purchasing power of money or the functions of money, that means we

450
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:48,180
lose the ability to coordinate resources, coordinate the workforce, and continue to build.

451
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:56,940
We lose the ability to cooperate. And that just leads us further down on the decline.

452
00:41:57,340 --> 00:42:03,460
And that's where we are now. We start to see symptoms of civilizational decline.

453
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:10,060
And that comes in stages. And those stages are predictable. And we can just put a line through

454
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:18,060
them and see where we are and compare it to previous civilizations. We see it in, when you

455
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:25,300
have a debasement of money, you are debasing civilization itself. We see it in our education.

456
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,080
We see it in our food, in our architecture, in our relationships. We see it in our health.

457
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:38,220
We see it in our culture, in everything. And then we see it in our population numbers.

458
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:41,560
when population numbers start declining.

459
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,040
That's a late symptom of civilizational decline.

460
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,580
And right now, if we look at Europe, for example,

461
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,940
you need 2.11 children per woman to maintain a steady state.

462
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:02,060
Whenever you go below 1.9,

463
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:06,200
we don't have any historic example, Tim,

464
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,680
of a nation or an empire or a civilization

465
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,580
that has gone below 1.9 and that has recuperated.

466
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Every civilization that's gone below 1.9 has fallen.

467
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:19,800
Greece, 1.2, dead.

468
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,940
Germany, 1.4, I think, dead.

469
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:26,060
France, 1.4, dead.

470
00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:27,920
Sweden, 1.4, dead.

471
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,120
But that doesn't bode well for feminism then, does it?

472
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:35,500
Because arguably the reason that population is declining

473
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,780
is because women have choices now.

474
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,160
And when a woman has a choice,

475
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,900
I mean, I don't know if this is true, I'm not a woman,

476
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,460
but when a woman has a choice, she doesn't have six kids.

477
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:47,860
That seems to be what's happening here.

478
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,020
But a lot of people would say that's not civilizational decline.

479
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,840
No, so what typically happens is that when we go from, say,

480
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,320
a poor society like a hunter-gatherer society

481
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,760
or an agricultural society into an industrial one

482
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,200
or a digital one, we have prosperity,

483
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:10,300
is that we go from about eight kids per woman

484
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:13,500
to about 2.5, 2.2.

485
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:14,340
Do we?

486
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:14,800
Yeah.

487
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,500
But we stabilize around 2.2.

488
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:18,080
Is that right?

489
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:18,360
Yeah.

490
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,680
So we don't go below that.

491
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:24,240
When we start going below that, that's pathological.

492
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520
And in our case, do you know what it is?

493
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Say, pick the US probably.

494
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,100
Do you know what it is currently in the US?

495
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:33,280
It's the fiat system.

496
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,640
No, do you know what the...

497
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,460
Oh, the numbers.

498
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:40,860
It's hard to talk about the U.S. as one place.

499
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:41,220
All right, pick a country.

500
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,060
Just give me an idea.

501
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:43,180
Yeah, so Greece, 1.2.

502
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:43,980
Really?

503
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:46,040
And Greece is, right.

504
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,760
The South Korea, I think there's something like 1.0.7.

505
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,380
So explain to me, break down then,

506
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,520
why the fiat system is causing birth rates to go down in Greece.

507
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:57,040
What are these incentives?

508
00:44:57,340 --> 00:44:58,000
Yeah, yeah.

509
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Yeah, so the fiat system forces us into short-term thinking.

510
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:12,680
We all know that money is a mental operating system that governs time preference.

511
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:17,140
Language is a mental operating system that governs how we see and experience the world.

512
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,860
Money is a mental operating system that governs how deep into the future we value, think, and plan.

513
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:29,380
and when the money erodes, when we can no longer save for the future

514
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:34,920
and when money is broken, the debasement of money leads to our intellectual,

515
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,600
a debasement of our intellectual understanding of money.

516
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:46,060
So that we start to think that things like taxes, inflation, surveillance,

517
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:47,200
and these things are natural.

518
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,060
They're not.

519
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:58,160
and when money stops working and we are forced to survive here and now we're no we're not concerned

520
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:04,540
with our meditation routine our gym routine or building something for the future we see it very

521
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:11,480
clearly in every society that has devalued their currency that they stop building for the future

522
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:19,000
right now when we build a structure when we build a home we're happy if it stands in a few decades

523
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:25,180
we hardly care what it looks like and then we go back to ancient rome 2 000 years ago they had

524
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:31,580
very good money for a few centuries and we see it we see it in their morals we see it in their

525
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:39,560
architecture they had inscriptions in on their pantheon coliseum their aqueducts that say things

526
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,320
like I built this structure to stand for 10,000 years.

527
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,280
Who thinks like that today?

528
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,180
Nobody thinks like that today

529
00:46:46,180 --> 00:47:01,300
because we don even have the ability We see it in their military We see it in their philosophy We see it in their education good money breeds a good civilization when money breaks and you don have the ability to save

530
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:08,120
anymore you're only you're stressed you're afraid and you are just struggling to keep your your head

531
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:17,160
above the surface that forces you into survival mode and that creates a world where we have broken

532
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,960
education, broken relationships, where we swipe Tinder instead of dating and building families.

533
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:31,040
Food deteriorates over time because with rampant inflation, food gets more expensive

534
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:42,260
to produce. So we switch out good food for bad food because bad food is cheaper.

535
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:51,760
and so we have bad education bad relationships bad food poor architecture and we have a lot more

536
00:47:51,760 --> 00:48:01,520
tension and social unrest we have wars coming from this over resources eventually there there

537
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:12,120
will be you are now busy getting a long educations and working yourself to death you're not building

538
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:18,940
families. And you don't even want to have to put kids into the world as it looks under an advanced

539
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:23,580
fiat system. And when I say advanced, I mean a fiat system that has progressed long enough to start

540
00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:29,860
deteriorating civilization. So you don't want to put kids into this world. You can't put kids into

541
00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:37,640
this world because you can't afford it. And you are busy trying to survive. So this leads us to

542
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:44,600
having fewer and fewer children over time. And that's a late symptom of civilizational collapse

543
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:52,440
when we have a decreasing fertility rate or when we end up below replacement rate. And this is,

544
00:48:52,440 --> 00:49:01,880
I mean, we know for a fact that we need more people to sustain civilization.

545
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:14,520
no civilization has survived when we when their money breaks none and when we see is what we see

546
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:21,840
is that population numbers decline and that's when it starts to really happen then it's then

547
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:28,440
it's gone too far there's been zero examples in history where we've gone below 1.9 and a lot of

548
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:39,200
countries in europe are already below 1.9 and we already have the the the the worst money in human

549
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:45,420
history we have successfully monetized debt which is the opposite of money which is the reason we

550
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:54,760
can create an infinite amount of it from thin air it's a dire situation but we have bitcoin

551
00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:02,760
and bitcoin gives us this alternative monetary system that is almost ready to go

552
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:12,920
and that can allow us to again start coordinating our resources and the workforce and and and foster

553
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:21,900
cooperation across continents and generations in a way that we can do the only logical and possibly

554
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:27,980
the only thing that could possibly heal civilization in decline,

555
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:29,800
which is to continue to build.

556
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:34,700
To continue to build until the pendulum swings

557
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,520
from decline to progress again.

558
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,300
It would be unprecedented

559
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:45,440
if we manage to get out of this situation.

560
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,900
I personally don't see that Europe can exist in 100 years.

561
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,280
not in the way that we think about Europe.

562
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,900
What we're having is essentially an Islamification of Europe.

563
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:05,840
In France, they have 1.4 children per French native woman,

564
00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:09,360
but 8.1 per Arabic woman.

565
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:10,060
Really?

566
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:10,440
Yeah.

567
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:11,580
Eight children?

568
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,160
Yes.

569
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:13,380
Yes.

570
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,520
And so we have mass immigration.

571
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,800
we have it in uk we have it in sweden we have it in a lot of countries and we

572
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,400
we can no longer preserve the traditional european values and culture

573
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:40,080
that is just a fact we we might need the immigration to to uphold the institutions as they

574
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:47,360
are now because we need the people we need the workforce and so on but europe as we think of it

575
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,400
is not going to exist in 100 years.

576
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:53,920
Yeah, I'm not sure about the Islamification thing.

577
00:51:54,380 --> 00:52:00,620
I think I know the argument and even the statistics,

578
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:08,000
but it'd be interesting to see if that really does occur.

579
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,980
I know a lot of people say it,

580
00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:13,880
but a lot of people who I don't necessarily trust seem to say that as well,

581
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:15,520
which does tar it a little bit for me.

582
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:21,640
because often when people are quite dramatic about something you get you know you get this a

583
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:27,360
lot in the climate change brigade we've got seven years to you know as soon as people start acting

584
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,820
like that you know that they're someone you probably shouldn't listen to because you know

585
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:38,240
and i get a little bit about the islamification thing certainly in british cities you see huge

586
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:44,660
islamic communities i remember and even you know birmingham in the uk i remember i went there with

587
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:49,100
my wife a number of years ago it was quite a long time ago you know five or six years ago

588
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:54,560
to go to see something at the theater and i when i walked through the center of birmingham

589
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:00,060
i was quite shocked actually so a lot of islamic preachers just you know like they used to see

590
00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:05,980
the old guys on the street corners with the bible and stuff i did find that a bit weird and

591
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:14,540
you do see a lot of that on social media but it i'm i'm i'm i'm suspicious number one because

592
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:21,000
social media loves showing you all that stuff to get you feeling 100 yeah and two the people that

593
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,640
are often shouting about it are people that like i wouldn't if greta thunberg told me the world was

594
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:32,460
going to end i'd be like okay she's got a history of anxiety really so that's an anxious person

595
00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:37,520
talking well we've got we've got to fix this it's like okay you get to understand right the person

596
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,020
you don't want to listen to is the one who's the most scared of a certain outcome you want someone

597
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:44,020
who's very level-headed in that scenario

598
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:47,740
and the people that shout about that in that way.

599
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,160
So I don't know whether it's...

600
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,400
No, I agree with you.

601
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,120
I don't know either that there is an Islamification of Europe.

602
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:58,700
What I see is, what I believe is that

603
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:02,000
with the current birth rates,

604
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:04,220
we're not going to have the Europe that we think of today.

605
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,340
And I think that the Islamic people are much more resilient,

606
00:54:07,340 --> 00:54:16,500
that they can come here and build a different kind of Europe.

607
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:24,180
I don't see that the countries that we have now

608
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:26,800
are going to be the countries that we think of them as now.

609
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:27,340
Agreed.

610
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,320
But what that means, I don't know.

611
00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:29,940
Exactly.

612
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:33,940
I don't know if that's important or, you know, if that's...

613
00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:41,880
because you know like you said nothing's nothing's stable nothing has ever been stable things have

614
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,900
always changed when you you know you're talking about the roman empire earlier you know how many

615
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:51,140
hundreds of years did that go on for and it's gone yes it's completely gone yeah you know well

616
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:57,840
you could argue that we are an extension of it but they're true exactly they saw they saw collapse

617
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,200
and i call that the definition of collapse is a rapid simplification of a complex society and you

618
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,240
what happens when a civilization falls and what's going to happen when europe falls

619
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:11,360
what does that mean though what does that yeah what it means what it means is that we have built

620
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:18,400
a lot of complexity into society so a complexity is uh is a spiral so you introduce a new technology

621
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:26,300
say that you introduce a steel and with steel you you get skyscrapers with skyscrapers um you you

622
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:31,300
you need to introduce uh you get new problems for every complexity that you introduce you need to

623
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:37,520
take care of electricity and garbage disposal with skyscrapers. And then you have airplanes,

624
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:44,180
and now you need new laws and regulations on how that works. So with every new technology that we

625
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:51,820
introduce, you introduce more complexity, and you can never reach a solution, a resolution,

626
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:56,880
where everything's just solved and we have everything we need. Complexity is a continuous

627
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,280
spiral and it gets more and more fragile and more and more expensive.

628
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:20,580
So what happens in a collapse is that we lose a lot of that complexity and along with the complexity we lose a lot of knowledge wisdom culture and technology A lot of that is lost

629
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,960
often forever. We don't know exactly what we lost with the fall of the Roman Empire.

630
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,560
And then society breaks down into these decentralized hubs, essentially, where the

631
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:37,360
communication is sparse, and we go back to a much simpler society, and then we start rebuilding

632
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:45,520
again so we could see something like that a modern version of that with europe where where

633
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:52,380
we break up and we lose a lot of the thing about the islamification thing is if you look at the

634
00:56:52,380 --> 00:57:00,000
middle east it's islamic and dubai and charjah and a number of those emirates are phenomenally

635
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:07,320
modern let's say you know like i'd say there's a lot of complexity there and a lot of it

636
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:16,180
for sure is foreign talent putting its mark on a place but but i suppose what you're talking about

637
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:23,200
in europe is is is not islamification because otherwise you would say is well what why is dubai

638
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:30,040
so you know you're talking about a debt more like a certain type of person coming who doesn't care

639
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:37,040
about yeah islamification is a loaded word and it's not exactly what i mean um do you know what

640
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,120
mean though it's like it's more that like because you could you could have islamic scholars coming

641
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:47,940
to the uk and you would have beautiful architecture presumably uh i don't i don't really know i i'm

642
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:53,600
very suspicious of all that stuff i for sure there's many more middle eastern people living in

643
00:57:53,600 --> 00:58:00,360
say my country the uk than there ever were um what that means i'm undecided upon at the moment

644
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:06,980
i am because because i know from working in the media that if you see something on the tv or on

645
00:58:06,980 --> 00:58:14,740
your app um it's probably been put there on purpose to enrage you and you need to put it

646
00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:21,720
into context and say okay if i was to look at a thousand things how many of them would be this

647
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,880
that you know if i took a thousand pictures around the uk how many of them would show me this

648
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:35,540
probably none of them actually um and but but but it it is interesting to to know what where that

649
00:58:35,540 --> 00:58:42,480
where that's going because it brings up the the problem or the the i suppose it's a problem of

650
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:49,840
this very unfashionable idea in this day and age that your culture is fine and you don't want to

651
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:57,660
dilute it and you want it to stay as it is which which for someone like me through probably many

652
00:58:57,660 --> 00:59:03,640
many subconscious triggers since i've been alive because there's been this real push to to say

653
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,600
you know like to the point now where you you you unless you live in Poland or

654
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:15,620
if you're lucky it's not very fashionable to say I love British culture you know you can say I love

655
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:19,860
Polish culture because they've really just unabashedly just said yeah we are we are we

656
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:24,940
you know but but we've all lived through a time when I don't know about you how old you are but

657
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:31,440
I lived through a time when British culture was very specifically something that it did almost

658
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:37,400
is not now 100 not now you know there was there was not only a much more of a kind of racial

659
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:44,100
homogeny to it but there was just a there was just a cultural homogeny to it and it's changed to

660
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:49,660
the most diverse culture on the planet kind of thing it's changed that's what it's become

661
00:59:49,660 --> 00:59:55,800
if you come to where i live now british culture is still kind of alive and kicking and albeit

662
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:03,200
it quietly it's very it's very and i don't just mean it's all caucasian people which it is but

663
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:09,900
it's it's the cultural side of it it's the way that little english villages operate in a in a way

664
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:13,900
that only you would know as a brit you almost certainly have the same thing in your own country

665
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:22,420
when you go to those places where very high trust but no strangers very particular about the

666
01:00:22,420 --> 01:00:29,420
cultural things that happen that make you feel part of something uh you know those things

667
01:00:29,420 --> 01:00:35,180
definitely still exist but as a nation and this is probably true of most nations i don't really know

668
01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:44,300
i know about my own is what what we are being tempted to think is our culture is absolutely

669
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:51,400
not my culture in the slightest right you know and but but it's being projected as british culture

670
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,480
and it may well be

671
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,440
I may be in the minority

672
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:53,640
now

673
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:54,900
I don't really know

674
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:56,800
if we don't

675
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,620
have immigration

676
01:00:58,620 --> 01:00:59,440
from the Middle East

677
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,580
or anywhere else

678
01:01:00,580 --> 01:01:01,360
we are definitely

679
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,020
going to fall

680
01:01:02,020 --> 01:01:04,420
if we take Greece again

681
01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:04,960
for example

682
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,460
Greece is

683
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:09,100
not going to have

684
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:11,200
a society

685
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,660
they're not going to be able

686
01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:13,080
to

687
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,740
uphold their institutions

688
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:15,900
unless they have

689
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:16,760
a lot of immigration

690
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:17,740
it is

691
01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:20,040
what does that mean

692
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,300
there's not enough people

693
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:25,420
to man there's not enough there's not enough people yeah but like to do what i mean governments

694
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:31,880
are way too big aren't they maybe the maybe you know i often think that especially thinking of

695
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:37,460
greece because of its rich history of governance when you go back it's simple it's simple math if

696
01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:44,160
if there are no more people being born we need to take in people from other places doesn't it just

697
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,780
mean you get a smaller population yes smaller institutions yes yes smaller government is that

698
01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:57,740
a bad thing i mean that's that's like well yes aging cell aging isn't it well we have you could

699
01:01:57,740 --> 01:02:02,060
argue that we have an overpopulation problem and we do in a lot of sense but we have a much bigger

700
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:07,640
underpopulation problem i don't think we've got an overpopulation problem maybe you mean too many

701
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:12,620
people living in cities close right yeah i mean some people will argue that we have an overpopulation

702
01:02:12,620 --> 01:02:19,160
problem i don't well they never flew over russia because you can fly in a plane very fast over

703
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:24,620
russia for hours and see nothing but forest right right so no we're not there's plenty of room on

704
01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:33,540
the planet there's plenty of room absolutely um but if we want to maintain uh society as it looks

705
01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:40,240
today and maintain the complexity that we have today we need uh at least replacement rate um

706
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:46,360
and we don't right now, which means that we are dependent on immigrants

707
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:52,460
to keep society going.

708
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,160
And so the countries that don't take in immigrants,

709
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,380
they're going to fall much faster.

710
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,440
And what this means for quite a lot of countries

711
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,380
is that we're going to have more homogeneity.

712
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:16,780
And I don't think that that's a bad thing.

713
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,700
I think that can be a very good thing,

714
01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:24,020
but I also know that there's going to be a lot of tension.

715
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:28,720
There's going to be a lot of tension because it comes at a cost.

716
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:35,700
It comes at a cost of we are becoming something new in Europe.

717
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:46,280
A lot of countries are under a transformation where we have to let go of what we think of them as being.

718
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,900
It's the very same thing with a personal transformation.

719
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:55,780
You can only get to your new life by saying goodbye to your former life.

720
01:03:57,020 --> 01:03:58,780
And that's the cost.

721
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,200
The cost of your new life is your former life.

722
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,940
And that can be a very painful process.

723
01:04:03,940 --> 01:04:16,860
And whether that means that some culture, some wisdom, some knowledge, some, I don't know, things can just disappear from society.

724
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:26,040
And that's the only normal state that society has ever been, where we shed some things and move on to something new.

725
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:29,100
That's just how things progress.

726
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:34,880
but yeah the question people would probably rise at that raise at that point would be

727
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:41,000
is it progress though right if you're if you consider your culture is in decline

728
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:50,700
and what's replacing it is according to you worse then that's just is that just the ebb and flow of

729
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:57,840
you know using the analogy of the cell is that is the state it's like a cell or is the country a

730
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:05,220
cell and it it functions until it doesn't and then a new cell is born well it's probably not

731
01:05:05,220 --> 01:05:10,160
good actually cells don't work like that but think about i mean i often think of all these

732
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:15,580
things a bit like a breath you know there's a there's an ebb and a flow of of most things

733
01:05:15,580 --> 01:05:22,320
the state is a good example you know it built into the complexity of the state is its demise

734
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:32,100
because it begins with all the best intentions it can begin and it always ends at some point

735
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:45,400
in the situation we find ourselves in now which is incentivizing the worst people to rise to the top of the thing that is giving out the rules And it this self cycle of just bullshit

736
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,740
And, you know, the quagmire just gets thicker and thicker and thicker until it

737
01:05:50,740 --> 01:05:52,820
collapses under the weight of itself.

738
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,600
Right. That's exactly what happens.

739
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,140
Right. So society collapses under the weight of its own complexity.

740
01:05:58,660 --> 01:05:58,800
Yeah.

741
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:02,100
And eventually we don't have resources to maintain that complexity.

742
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:09,280
So progress is probably what, that's what doomed a lot of civilizations in history.

743
01:06:09,820 --> 01:06:14,180
They expanded beyond their socioeconomic capabilities.

744
01:06:14,620 --> 01:06:19,300
They exhausted their resources, their easily accessible resources,

745
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,800
until the point that they couldn't progress.

746
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:24,880
So they started declining.

747
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:33,580
And what you're saying as well is the symptoms of that overstretching is a decline in birth rates as well.

748
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:34,720
That's a late symptom.

749
01:06:34,740 --> 01:06:43,500
Because it's adding stress to the population, which is basically incentivizing people not to have as many children as you would.

750
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:51,120
If you were en masse, people are probably looking at the world going, it's not the greatest time to bring too many kids into the world because I can't afford it.

751
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:52,400
They can afford it too busy, yeah.

752
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,960
And they don't want to, yeah.

753
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:59,660
so so that that's what we're seeing now so why if if the islamic thing's true going back to that

754
01:06:59,660 --> 01:07:04,400
sorry it's not only islamic or whatever if the immigrant but but the reason that is interesting

755
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,160
is because you said there was a they were averaging eight people eight children that's

756
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:14,240
that's one statistic yeah and i think it's a it's a bit cherry-picked all right but even if it's more

757
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:20,100
why aren't they doing the same thing under the same pressure yeah that i mean i thought that

758
01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:27,760
was down to feminism i assumed that that was education women's education and women it's

759
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:34,360
emancipation that's giving them the option to not have children which is prior to things like the pill

760
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:42,140
and education women just got pregnant as every continuously until they couldn't and that's kind

761
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:50,780
of how things operated i don't know i don't i really find all that stuff completely um just

762
01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:58,140
i don't think the word's mesmerizing i just can't think about it i've got no idea i i find it hard

763
01:07:58,140 --> 01:08:06,100
to stretch my understanding out to this kind of mass of people and i i really find it it's only

764
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:13,040
easy to think about my own situation in that and my family and the people around me and that's about

765
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:21,740
it kind of stopped there really do now i i i i just stop at the people i know and care about

766
01:08:21,740 --> 01:08:30,380
and and going forward i think i'm realizing that that's who you need to look out for probably right

767
01:08:30,380 --> 01:08:35,440
and position yourself well if you believe there's some kind of a collapse coming which

768
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:43,300
i i think on paper i probably would but in reality do things collapse i don't know it's

769
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:47,780
very difficult to say you know what you have to take into account is that collapse is slow

770
01:08:47,780 --> 01:08:55,620
there's no single generation that ever notices a collapse the romans didn't know they were

771
01:08:55,620 --> 01:09:00,780
collapsing and they collapsed for 500 years is that right yeah it takes time to collapse

772
01:09:00,780 --> 01:09:02,820
it's such a slow process

773
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:04,260
what you wouldn't notice

774
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:07,260
but how do you quantify the end of a collapse

775
01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:09,400
how do you quantify the end of the Roman Empire

776
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:10,100
that's

777
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:13,880
that's the job of historians and anthropologists

778
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,680
they say

779
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,780
there are a variety of dates

780
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:18,380
suggested

781
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:21,540
there's no real consensus on when the empire

782
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:21,940
ended

783
01:09:21,940 --> 01:09:25,560
and same will be true for

784
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:25,960
us

785
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,040
they might say that we have already collapsed now

786
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:38,360
I don't think that. I think it's early. But what you notice when you go through collapse is that

787
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:45,700
you don't have as big a claim on the economy as your parents did, for example. Or you may be eating

788
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:51,700
food that is different. Or the architecture looks different. Or relationships have taken on a

789
01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:59,180
different nature. You notice these kinds of things. And that may create a longing back to

790
01:09:59,180 --> 01:10:02,440
a time that you never experienced, where things were just radically different.

791
01:10:04,380 --> 01:10:12,900
But apart from that, there's not going to be looting, fire, and rioting, and screaming in

792
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:18,000
the streets. That's a Hollywood version of a collapse. That's not how it happens.

793
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,360
It happens over centuries.

794
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:31,840
But we now have technology to make our decline go faster because we have the printing machine.

795
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,420
We have the money printer.

796
01:10:33,820 --> 01:10:39,240
So we can debase the money.

797
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:50,200
And when we debase the money, we lose our ability to uphold our institutions and coordinate workforces and resources and foster corporations and so on much faster.

798
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:51,580
You mean since the kind of digital age?

799
01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:52,080
Yes.

800
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,640
Because fiat currency has been around for a while, hasn't it?

801
01:10:54,860 --> 01:10:57,520
But since the digital age, it's been supercharged.

802
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:58,600
Yes, yes, yes.

803
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,540
It's been supercharged since the digital age.

804
01:11:00,540 --> 01:11:16,160
I mean, you know, when I end up having these kind of conversations about the state of the world, I often come back to the fact that the internet is the forcing function with all this shit.

805
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:22,300
Just like the printing press was the forcing function for a hugely chaotic period after it was invented.

806
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:26,680
And in many ways, it's the release of information.

807
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,660
The printing press did the same thing.

808
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:31,880
and then look at all the shit that happened after that historically.

809
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:38,860
Now you've got this explosion of information and it's changing people's minds on so many things.

810
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,820
And now it's also confusing a hell of a lot of people.

811
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:52,760
And in our age, you link that with this technological advancements in travel, in, you know, all this stuff.

812
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,800
It's a recipe for disaster.

813
01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:01,860
I mean, it's, you know how people always say, historians, you look back at history and then it all makes sense.

814
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:04,740
For me, it's making sense right now.

815
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,460
I feel like we're in the thick of it and it all makes complete sense.

816
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,840
I think that's because you're a Bitcoiner.

817
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:11,840
Right.

818
01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:12,360
Okay.

819
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:13,620
Yeah, you may be right.

820
01:12:14,180 --> 01:12:14,800
You may be right.

821
01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:16,400
I've got something to compare it to.

822
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:17,320
I have.

823
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,000
Yeah, it could be.

824
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:25,880
But, you know, I've stopped accepting the answer that Bitcoin fixes this.

825
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:27,800
It's not good enough for me anymore.

826
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,180
Because Bitcoin might fix it in 300 years,

827
01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:37,280
but Bitcoin doesn't fix your inability to spend Bitcoin because of KYC, for example, right now.

828
01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:37,760
Yeah.

829
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:40,060
No, and I don't think that's the point.

830
01:12:40,060 --> 01:12:51,760
We have come to a point in Bitcoin where we have very carefully taken care of a flame in a wind.

831
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,500
And that flame has been very fragile.

832
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:04,440
So, Hopium, all these smaller meetups, when we have conferences and we cosplay these citadels, which is exactly what we're doing.

833
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,120
We are just caring for that flame.

834
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:09,760
But now that flame has grown.

835
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:13,300
to a point where we don't need that anymore.

836
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,840
Bitcoin doesn't need me.

837
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:15,760
It doesn't need you.

838
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,580
It doesn't need Michael Saylor.

839
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,580
It doesn't need more conferences.

840
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,380
Bitcoin can stand on its own legs now.

841
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,040
So we are just at the stage

842
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,240
where we can begin talking about

843
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,560
the risks of Bitcoin,

844
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,040
of hyper-Bitcoinization

845
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,620
and what it doesn't fix

846
01:13:41,620 --> 01:13:42,920
and how we can make it better.

847
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,020
Because Bitcoin has a lot of problems

848
01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:49,060
and it's going to cause a lot of problems.

849
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,940
And it's not Jesus coming to save us.

850
01:13:56,060 --> 01:13:58,240
We treat it as a cult and we kind of should

851
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,400
because there is mythology embedded in it.

852
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,380
Dude, you say it's not Jesus.

853
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,480
What is it that, you know...

854
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:13,160
One time, one of the first things I asked ChatGPT, actually, when it first came out, it was good.

855
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:20,100
I said, name some cultures that have a myth around the year 2000.

856
01:14:20,820 --> 01:14:21,760
And it gave me a few.

857
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,780
And I thought, well, there's some I haven't heard of then.

858
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:29,680
So I put, name 50 cultures, 50 myths about the year 2000.

859
01:14:29,980 --> 01:14:31,020
And it gave me 50.

860
01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:38,160
this tribe from South America, this Christianity, the second coming, the Mayan calendar, loads.

861
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:45,420
I mean, there are literally so many mythological examples of something around the year 2000

862
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:46,420
causing a change.

863
01:14:46,420 --> 01:14:48,020
What happened around 2000?

864
01:14:48,020 --> 01:14:52,780
It's either the internet or Bitcoin.

865
01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:58,020
And if you were to say, you know, like, oh, the second coming of Jesus, the Christ, it

866
01:14:58,020 --> 01:14:59,960
would never appear as a guy who has a beard.

867
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:00,340
But never.

868
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:01,320
That's not cool.

869
01:15:01,460 --> 01:15:02,540
That's not how you do it.

870
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:06,260
Like, Jesus wouldn't appear as a guy with a beard,

871
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,240
because no one would believe him, would they?

872
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,420
If you came out and said, I'm Jesus, which people have,

873
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:10,960
they'll say no.

874
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,240
Come back as a digital store of value?

875
01:15:14,420 --> 01:15:15,100
Who knows?

876
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:15,380
Yeah.

877
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:19,060
For all I know, Jesus can be different things to different people.

878
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:19,460
Yeah.

879
01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:23,660
But take any of the 2,000 predictions.

880
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:24,300
For sure.

881
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,560
Okay, we could absolutely entertain the idea that Bitcoin is Jesus.

882
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,000
And I'm not against that idea at all.

883
01:15:33,380 --> 01:15:38,800
But I do also see that Bitcoin comes with a lot of problems and it's going to cause a lot of problems.

884
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:39,440
Same here.

885
01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:42,260
He turned the tables in the heat, didn't he?

886
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:47,060
The money traders outside the temple caused a lot of problems.

887
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,500
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

888
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:49,460
Yeah.

889
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:50,760
I mean, revolutions are bloody.

890
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:51,980
Well, put it this way, right?

891
01:15:51,980 --> 01:16:01,100
something that's undeniable about bitcoin which you all all bitcoiners know is it does change your

892
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:06,920
the way you interact by by account of following it like you would a religion

893
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:14,240
the morals in inverted commas of the bitcoin ecosystem cause you to fall in line with them

894
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:24,640
And they are a certain ideology, longevity, trust, honesty, those kind of good attributes that we all think of.

895
01:16:26,860 --> 01:16:29,000
You do need to fall in line with those.

896
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,260
And Bitcoin is due.

897
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:38,360
And people that do change from low-time preference thinking, high-time preference thinking to low-time preference.

898
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,060
I've seen that in my wife.

899
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:40,600
Yes.

900
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:42,500
Yeah, that's a real thing.

901
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:43,740
It's a very real thing.

902
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:45,700
I've seen it in one of my best friends as well.

903
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,460
And I think a lot of people underappreciate the importance of that.

904
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:55,060
Well, no, I would say I would easily believe that that's the whole point of it.

905
01:16:55,060 --> 01:17:11,480
I think we reached this point in history from a, if you were, if you go fully spiritual, macro spiritual and say the world was reaching this point, either naturally this thing arose to counteract it because that's one of the laws of the universe.

906
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:17,500
or somebody said right i'm going to counteract this myself i probably believe it's a natural

907
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:22,660
thing because i think you know yin and yang just function together and everything tends towards

908
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:28,800
equilibrium but then it you know i would say it was highly necessary and it without it we would

909
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:35,220
be hurtling in the same direction with nothing no way of predicting how to bring people back to the

910
01:17:35,220 --> 01:17:42,340
idea of long-term thinking and all the stuff that goes along with it you know i would easily believe

911
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:48,340
that yeah time preference lowering our time preference is how we avoid stagnation and it is

912
01:17:48,340 --> 01:17:57,900
the uh it is part of the engine of our cultural cultural and technological evolution as a species

913
01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:04,760
we cannot progress without continuously lowering our time preference if we instead go the other

914
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:12,180
direction and we increase our time preference then we end up uh in in a falling society in a

915
01:18:12,180 --> 01:18:18,720
declining society without children and without making any progress which is where we are now

916
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,720
that's where we are now and everyone does think in a high time preference it's obvious you see it

917
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:29,340
around you yeah everywhere you see it you see it in more the place i see it the most is in

918
01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:34,820
architecture and buildings yeah buildings get thrown up overnight pretty much my house that i

919
01:18:34,820 --> 01:18:41,360
live in now built in the 1500s the walls are as thick as that they're like that thick yeah um

920
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,380
you didn't need to build them like that the contrast is very evident in our situation it's

921
01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:53,800
also if you look at food like we we have gone from from whole foods to fiat food and that's also a

922
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:58,720
radical change in how we live our lives yeah i think it's also very evident in our relationships

923
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:07,300
um young people are not dating young people are not having sex and people are swiping

924
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:14,160
instead of building families this is also because of high time preference

925
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:23,540
i think yeah i'm feeling the conversation ebbing but i don't want to end on a bad note

926
01:19:23,540 --> 01:19:25,520
Do you know how long we've been talking?

927
01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:26,880
Tell me.

928
01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:28,580
Two hours, 55 minutes.

929
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:29,340
Okay, perfect.

930
01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:30,120
We're almost over three hours.

931
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:35,620
So let's turn this around and talk about something much more positive.

932
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:36,880
Yeah, go on.

933
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:37,800
You choose.

934
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:45,280
I feel like we never finished the Kardashev arguments.

935
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:45,700
Okay.

936
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:46,640
Should we go there?

937
01:19:46,700 --> 01:19:47,300
Yeah, go on.

938
01:19:47,460 --> 01:19:48,140
Let's do it.

939
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:48,540
All right.

940
01:19:48,540 --> 01:19:48,900
Okay.

941
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:58,600
so we ended up describing the the the three levels of uh of the kardashiev scale we have a planetary

942
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:06,560
a stellar and a galactic type of civilization and we are currently at 0.6 or so so yeah 0.6 0.7

943
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:12,240
so we have a long way to go before we come but how do we know that this scale is correct though

944
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:18,800
for example so so uh no this was actually um so uh nikolai kardashan he introduced the scale then

945
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:27,360
carl sagan uh the renowned uh astrophysicist and author he uh made some mathematics from it

946
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:33,920
so there is an actual scale that you can look at look at and you look at the energy output

947
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:41,160
of a civilization how the hell do they work that one that sounds a bit dubious well you can you can

948
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,220
look at the math and I don't understand it

949
01:20:43,220 --> 01:20:44,940
at depth, but it's there.

950
01:20:45,420 --> 01:20:47,000
And then you can also just look at it

951
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,240
by analogy and just

952
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,900
say that, okay, a planetary

953
01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:52,800
civilization is one that

954
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,380
you have a planetary

955
01:20:55,380 --> 01:20:57,060
stellar and a galactic civilization.

956
01:20:57,220 --> 01:20:59,200
You can just simplify it to that as well.

957
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,200
Colt say you just put numbers on it.

958
01:21:02,980 --> 01:21:03,180
So

959
01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:06,580
we have,

960
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:09,040
I would argue,

961
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:19,480
we are approaching the the uh cardish of type 1 civilization by introducing type 1 technologies

962
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:27,560
already now well there's one that i haven't personally made up my mind on if it's a if it's

963
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:32,960
a cardish of type 1 technology so i'm going to skip that but the first real one the first real

964
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,920
cardish of type 1 technology that we have is the internet that's our first planetary truly

965
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:45,420
planetary technology and that's an oh okay yeah what's the other one roads and i haven't really

966
01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:51,980
made up my mind on that well if you say roads you have to say arrowheads wouldn't you it's a

967
01:21:51,980 --> 01:21:57,720
planetary phenomenon it's a planetary phenomenon but it's nothing that that allows us to work

968
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:04,240
together as a species as as other i know a road in the uk doesn't help you in america exactly

969
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:13,000
that's that's why i'm uh like even if we have a global shipping yeah uh i mean i'm i'm on the

970
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:19,220
about these types of technologies but um so i considered in the internet to be uh the first

971
01:22:19,220 --> 01:22:25,820
cardish type one technology what would be another one can you like a yeah well yeah exactly so

972
01:22:25,820 --> 01:22:32,040
another one would be a global hive mind for example but that's the internet again right

973
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:36,380
It is in a way, it's an extension of the internet, but where we communicate with thoughts.

974
01:22:37,340 --> 01:22:42,920
And because internet 2.0 is not web three or whatever, it is us communicating directly with thoughts.

975
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:45,260
Is that a transhuman thing?

976
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:46,740
It's a transhuman thing.

977
01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:53,100
It's an extension of the internet where we already have the technology to send texts with our minds.

978
01:22:55,420 --> 01:22:55,580
Really?

979
01:22:55,940 --> 01:22:56,140
Yeah.

980
01:22:56,420 --> 01:22:58,320
Are you talking about Elon and…

981
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,120
Neuralink is one example and he's not first with this.

982
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:08,140
uh but yeah they're making great strides and so so we have the technology to actually text each

983
01:23:08,140 --> 01:23:15,220
other but we don't have like telepathy it's not magic it's an engineering problem

984
01:23:15,220 --> 01:23:22,620
so telepathy for you is not me tapping into your brain no it's us communicating

985
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:29,560
with our thoughts no i mean it's not it it's a function of the technology it's not yes it's you

986
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:35,260
i sitting here not moving our lips and mouths i'm not detecting your thoughts your thoughts are

987
01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:41,040
being transcribed into digital forms sent to me yes okay yeah which is not really a tell

988
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:46,840
maybe that is telepathy it's one form uh i mean we could go back and forth on what the why would

989
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:53,020
we do that do you think that's more liberating it's all about um taking away friction in

990
01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:59,540
communication we need faster if we can communicate at the speed of thought that would vastly improve

991
01:23:59,540 --> 01:24:03,620
communication yeah I'm pretty sure I can keep up with my own thoughts yeah you

992
01:24:03,620 --> 01:24:08,300
know when I you can't you can't come yeah it's much harder to because thoughts

993
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:13,940
are abstract and and if we can find a way to communicate directly without

994
01:24:13,940 --> 01:24:27,594
forming words we would have an entirely new language eventually where we don have to articulate the words and transmit the words but we can actually have abstract ideas just moving into each other mind like the mobile

995
01:24:27,594 --> 01:24:32,794
phone pad where you just make a shape kind of like that yeah so so that would be another type of

996
01:24:32,794 --> 01:24:39,434
kardashiv type one technology and but we have a second one and that's bitcoin

997
01:24:39,434 --> 01:24:46,094
bitcoin is our second kardashiv type one technology is it yeah i think of it as the

998
01:24:46,094 --> 01:24:53,294
internet again i mean it's the same this all this is this is i would say the the k1 technology is

999
01:24:53,294 --> 01:25:00,394
the digital realm because all these things are like the digital realm was something we could

1000
01:25:00,394 --> 01:25:06,534
never access until now right and it's a frontier it's full of nothing you can do all kinds of

1001
01:25:06,534 --> 01:25:11,194
things and now we're colonizing it we're colonizing the digital world and now people are trying to

1002
01:25:11,194 --> 01:25:16,794
also police it already yes yes it was quite quick it's only 30 years and they're already trying to

1003
01:25:17,354 --> 01:25:23,974
say you can't do this here yes it's like it would really was an empty free frontier for you know

1004
01:25:23,974 --> 01:25:31,374
so what the the internet is essentially also just an extension of of gutenberg's printing press by

1005
01:25:31,374 --> 01:25:38,414
further democratizing information freeing freeing the the written and spoken word to the to the

1006
01:25:38,414 --> 01:25:44,774
people well the spoken word is the that's the revolution that is the revolution absolutely we

1007
01:25:44,774 --> 01:25:48,854
already had that and what the internet did for information we now have bitcoin doing for value

1008
01:25:48,854 --> 01:25:57,474
um and i mean we can we can also look at like we're gonna need money for quite a long time

1009
01:25:57,474 --> 01:26:05,814
going forward and bitcoin we can use as uh as a type one a civilization because we can use it on

1010
01:26:05,814 --> 01:26:12,474
the moon we can use it on mars with some difficulties and some trade-offs transmitting

1011
01:26:12,474 --> 01:26:17,854
it over long distances isn't it you've got it has to work as a time chain doesn't it you have to be

1012
01:26:17,854 --> 01:26:21,894
able to like if you go further than that you're not going to be able to sync with uh with the

1013
01:26:21,894 --> 01:26:27,094
network very well so you're going to become a second-hand uh bitcoin citizen if you do well

1014
01:26:27,094 --> 01:26:30,774
you would be a different currency i think you'd have it have to be and wouldn't it because you

1015
01:26:30,774 --> 01:26:35,574
could come back essentially you can play with the idea like say that australia was cut off

1016
01:26:35,574 --> 01:26:38,134
from the internet for a few weeks.

1017
01:26:38,814 --> 01:26:40,734
And then they come back online.

1018
01:26:40,994 --> 01:26:43,694
All the transactions that they have made,

1019
01:26:44,034 --> 01:26:47,074
they would sync with the blockchain

1020
01:26:47,074 --> 01:26:50,174
and the blockchain would heal itself.

1021
01:26:50,514 --> 01:26:53,214
It's kind of like the same if you go into deeper space.

1022
01:26:53,414 --> 01:26:54,714
You would need some time,

1023
01:26:54,814 --> 01:26:57,734
but the time chain would heal itself over time.

1024
01:26:59,634 --> 01:27:03,414
But around Mars, we reach the hash horizon.

1025
01:27:03,414 --> 01:27:08,054
So it's very difficult to use Bitcoin beyond that point.

1026
01:27:08,154 --> 01:27:11,414
But we can use it as a planetary monetary system.

1027
01:27:11,534 --> 01:27:22,754
It's the first truly planetary monetary system that we have in the sense that it aligns with what a type 1 civilization would be.

1028
01:27:23,234 --> 01:27:31,134
A civilization free of coercion, a civilization that is free.

1029
01:27:31,134 --> 01:27:37,894
is that what is that the is that the governance side of type of a type one it's abundant so much

1030
01:27:37,894 --> 01:27:45,494
abundance well no no you said that we'd still use money i don't think you can have a true type

1031
01:27:45,494 --> 01:27:53,014
one civilization and not have it be free but i mean the time comes and probably not that long

1032
01:27:53,014 --> 01:27:59,794
where money becomes far less important because the marginal cost of things is almost zero

1033
01:27:59,794 --> 01:28:07,614
you know once once ai robots are also mining things as well as building themselves and

1034
01:28:07,614 --> 01:28:12,294
you know who knows what the marginal cost of those things will be yeah and then the question

1035
01:28:12,294 --> 01:28:18,074
is what what are we to do or what is money what is money even necessary like bitcoin may well be

1036
01:28:18,074 --> 01:28:23,894
our last money i think i think yeah i think bitcoin is final money i absolutely do i think

1037
01:28:23,894 --> 01:28:27,174
bitcoin is the last form of money that we will need as long as we're bound to this planet and

1038
01:28:27,174 --> 01:28:28,814
we need money in the sense that we need it now.

1039
01:28:30,794 --> 01:28:34,194
But that doesn't mean that I think money is going to go away.

1040
01:28:34,394 --> 01:28:39,014
I think that we, I mean, we're probably moving into a social economy

1041
01:28:39,014 --> 01:28:47,594
where what we truly prize and value is human connection, interaction.

1042
01:28:48,494 --> 01:28:48,894
Hopefully.

1043
01:28:49,194 --> 01:28:51,054
Yeah, I think we're going towards that.

1044
01:28:51,054 --> 01:29:01,254
I think we're getting rid of all the menial jobs and essentially every repetitive task that we don't want to do.

1045
01:29:01,534 --> 01:29:04,914
What will you do being a philosopher full time?

1046
01:29:06,514 --> 01:29:09,034
This is, again, the question of radical self-alignment.

1047
01:29:09,414 --> 01:29:15,434
What I would do is I would spend time in nature, or I would do essentially what I do now.

1048
01:29:15,754 --> 01:29:19,454
I would spend time in nature, but I would do differently.

1049
01:29:19,454 --> 01:29:23,614
I would have conversations with people.

1050
01:29:24,014 --> 01:29:24,654
I would write.

1051
01:29:25,754 --> 01:29:31,134
And I don't want an AI or a robot to do my art

1052
01:29:31,134 --> 01:29:33,874
so that I can do my laundry and my dishes.

1053
01:29:34,154 --> 01:29:37,654
I want an AI, I want a robot to do my dishes and my laundry

1054
01:29:37,654 --> 01:29:38,674
so I can do my art.

1055
01:29:40,214 --> 01:29:41,794
And I would do that.

1056
01:29:42,174 --> 01:29:45,454
And I would do all the things that I enjoy.

1057
01:29:45,554 --> 01:29:46,414
I would play chess.

1058
01:29:46,714 --> 01:29:48,534
I would write books.

1059
01:29:48,534 --> 01:29:50,154
I would have conversations with people.

1060
01:29:50,334 --> 01:29:51,294
I would see places.

1061
01:29:51,594 --> 01:29:54,874
I would spend time in nature.

1062
01:29:55,174 --> 01:29:56,434
I would build a family.

1063
01:29:56,914 --> 01:30:05,594
I would live freely and have peace, joy, love, and happiness.

1064
01:30:05,954 --> 01:30:13,534
I hate to try and burst your bubble, but at various times in my life, I've lived with that much freedom.

1065
01:30:13,534 --> 01:30:23,074
and what i've realized is that i need the struggles because it stops feeling like it stops

1066
01:30:23,074 --> 01:30:28,714
being meaningful without the struggles yes yes i'm not saying get rid of the struggles i think

1067
01:30:28,714 --> 01:30:34,514
they're part of the human condition regardless of how you live your life the struggles give

1068
01:30:34,514 --> 01:30:42,894
life meaning and um i think they're just going to take on a different form they're not going to come

1069
01:30:42,894 --> 01:30:46,934
from having to wake up before you're fully rested.

1070
01:30:47,614 --> 01:30:50,214
They're not going to come from you having to pay your bills.

1071
01:30:50,674 --> 01:30:54,514
They're not going to come from disagreements

1072
01:30:54,514 --> 01:30:57,514
with a boss you don't want to work for.

1073
01:30:58,134 --> 01:30:59,434
They're going to come from different things.

1074
01:30:59,514 --> 01:31:02,214
They're going to come from raising children,

1075
01:31:03,594 --> 01:31:05,034
building things,

1076
01:31:06,034 --> 01:31:09,614
and becoming a better version of yourself,

1077
01:31:09,614 --> 01:31:18,894
performing the will of your community or your God or whatever it is.

1078
01:31:20,014 --> 01:31:22,014
Struggle is part of the human condition.

1079
01:31:22,314 --> 01:31:27,974
It's part of the trajectory that we're on as spirits on this planet.

1080
01:31:28,934 --> 01:31:31,014
It's part of the lessons that we go through.

1081
01:31:34,734 --> 01:31:38,494
So I don't see us ever getting rid of our struggles.

1082
01:31:38,494 --> 01:31:50,574
And the struggle is going to be that whether we want them to or not, because we are bodies, we are emotions, we are thoughts, we are all of these things that come with inherent struggling.

1083
01:31:52,254 --> 01:31:57,014
And just being in the human condition is a struggle in itself.

1084
01:31:57,494 --> 01:32:02,654
It just doesn't have to come from the type of life that we have right now.

1085
01:32:02,654 --> 01:32:09,574
It can come from a vastly different type of place that can be so much better than what we have now.

1086
01:32:09,574 --> 01:32:18,434
don't you get the feeling that if you look at this community here in riga now that we're with

1087
01:32:18,434 --> 01:32:26,014
and the freedom community in general let's say it's it's part of its allure is that we're all

1088
01:32:26,014 --> 01:32:34,374
fighting for something and when you get that thing um what happens because you see a lot of

1089
01:32:34,374 --> 01:32:40,614
struggle groups i think this has happened a bit in the in the gay community we need to fight

1090
01:32:40,614 --> 01:32:45,334
yeah right so what do we fight for when we've got it i think the gay community have got what

1091
01:32:45,334 --> 01:32:52,414
they wanted and then some yeah and it's not really so so it's really to have gay pride and things

1092
01:32:52,414 --> 01:32:56,794
like that i suppose it's fine it's a good excuse for it's like an excuse to go out and party but

1093
01:32:56,794 --> 01:33:04,714
really um you you don't need it no one no i don't know about you but no one cares about that fact

1094
01:33:04,714 --> 01:33:11,114
anymore i don't anyway right and i'm quite normal you know but but what what a bitcoin is do when

1095
01:33:11,114 --> 01:33:16,474
when we're living on a bitcoin standard and everything's cool i think we just want to

1096
01:33:16,474 --> 01:33:21,474
experience progress i think that's it i think we want to experience progress and that means fighting

1097
01:33:21,474 --> 01:33:37,974
But well, I'm going to word it differently because I think what I've noticed about myself, when you take away those things that require struggle and bullshit and all that kind of stuff is I end up further in service, what I would call service.

1098
01:33:38,774 --> 01:33:54,168
So doing for example doing this my belief in doing creating this show because it doesn make me money it costs me money but i believe i don but i can still get by so it not a problem you know but i feel like i i

1099
01:33:54,168 --> 01:33:59,648
i'm learning and someone else will learn someone might listen to say this conversation and have a

1100
01:33:59,648 --> 01:34:06,308
real turning point in their life probably not it's all over the place but but but that's of

1101
01:34:06,308 --> 01:34:19,908
That's service. And service is something that's easier to do when you take away the need to get up at seven o'clock and go into some bullshit job, for example, which is going back to your sort of scarcity mindset, abundance type thing.

1102
01:34:20,208 --> 01:34:24,728
When you have abundance, the ability to be in service seems much better.

1103
01:34:24,728 --> 01:34:31,128
And I think it's the most primordial meaning you can have in life.

1104
01:34:31,248 --> 01:34:31,348
Right.

1105
01:34:31,488 --> 01:34:31,828
Service.

1106
01:34:32,028 --> 01:34:32,188
Yes.

1107
01:34:32,188 --> 01:35:02,168
Even when you relate it to things like, like the kid, my kids are my most important thing in my life. It's still about service. It's still service to others. It's like, I, I look after them. I do things for them. I teach them. I pay for them. I, you know, it's not the kids. It's the service to the kids. That is the thing that gives your life meaning. And it can be serviced as a, you can be a philosopher and you can talk and podcast for your living. And, and it's the service you're, you're, you're hoping that people come with you on the day.

1108
01:35:02,188 --> 01:35:09,468
journey and learn you know and um i think that that would always i think if i'm when when i have

1109
01:35:09,468 --> 01:35:15,088
the luxury to think about it which should be all the time but i've like everyone fall into the trap

1110
01:35:15,088 --> 01:35:20,148
of getting stuck up in my brain and analyzing things and getting too wrapped up in all that

1111
01:35:20,148 --> 01:35:28,468
side of it the truth is that service and it's a great word it really does depict the action very

1112
01:35:28,468 --> 01:35:37,108
well is the place i hope everyone arrives or most people arrive when ai takes away all the

1113
01:35:37,108 --> 01:35:42,788
bullshit from our lives which it might it might do the opposite as well but the menial jobs can be

1114
01:35:42,788 --> 01:35:49,288
replaced by you being in service to other people and like you say service requires a connection

1115
01:35:49,288 --> 01:35:55,828
and with a human being and which we're sorely lacking as the internet is one of the sort of

1116
01:35:55,828 --> 01:36:03,488
secondary effects of the internet is this is this splintering of groups of people who and we still

1117
01:36:03,488 --> 01:36:08,148
think it's fine it's brought me together with pretty much all my friends now but i have to

1118
01:36:08,148 --> 01:36:15,588
maintain that i have to make sure i meet them in real life it's not good enough to just you know

1119
01:36:15,588 --> 01:36:19,928
have those connections on the internet but but i don't know i don't know what do you think what

1120
01:36:19,928 --> 01:36:26,148
happens to your life when you um when ai is washing your clothes you've got a personal robot

1121
01:36:26,148 --> 01:36:30,848
that does all that shit that you or that gets in the way of the good stuff

1122
01:36:30,848 --> 01:36:35,608
i mean

1123
01:36:35,608 --> 01:36:39,968
got some microplastics

1124
01:36:39,968 --> 01:36:44,908
i'm actually going to get one out the fridge keep talking i'm listening yeah

1125
01:36:44,908 --> 01:36:55,428
so i think that when we don't have to do the kinds of jobs that we do today

1126
01:36:55,428 --> 01:37:01,788
we are first of first of all gonna have other types of jobs we're still gonna be

1127
01:37:01,788 --> 01:37:09,208
we're gonna we're gonna redesign the rat race i'm sure of it for for some time in a bad way

1128
01:37:09,208 --> 01:37:17,688
same as the rat race yes yes um because it it's going to require more than just i the ability to

1129
01:37:17,688 --> 01:37:26,548
be productive um in a on a scale that we've never been before we've seen that time and time again

1130
01:37:26,548 --> 01:37:33,648
where we with the industrial revolution we replaced our muscles and now we're replacing our cognition

1131
01:37:33,648 --> 01:37:47,968
but that has only ever led to us demanding more so i think that we we are

1132
01:37:47,968 --> 01:37:53,868
gonna lose a lot of jobs and create a lot of new ones and we're just gonna expect more

1133
01:37:53,868 --> 01:38:02,448
and that's gonna lead to a new kind of rat race i'm not sure um we can sort of see the

1134
01:38:02,448 --> 01:38:11,948
shape of it, but we can't see the details of it yet. But let's say that we can entertain the

1135
01:38:11,948 --> 01:38:19,588
idea that we will find ourselves in a world where we are in a post-scarcity economy,

1136
01:38:19,588 --> 01:38:27,248
and a post-labor economy, where we don't have to do jobs to make a living.

1137
01:38:27,248 --> 01:38:32,668
and what our lives will look like then

1138
01:38:32,668 --> 01:38:37,868
can be challenging for people who have been working their entire lives now.

1139
01:38:37,988 --> 01:38:40,128
They don't know what they would do all the time

1140
01:38:40,128 --> 01:38:42,568
because they have been indoctrinated into that world.

1141
01:38:43,048 --> 01:38:44,908
They're damaged by the rat race.

1142
01:38:44,988 --> 01:38:47,248
They have essentially forgotten what it means to be human.

1143
01:38:48,368 --> 01:38:52,588
If we look back a few thousand generations,

1144
01:38:52,588 --> 01:38:58,868
Let's go back, say, 30,000 years or so.

1145
01:39:01,488 --> 01:39:09,968
What our days looked like then, we tended to our injuries and our peers.

1146
01:39:10,568 --> 01:39:12,488
We tended a fire.

1147
01:39:13,528 --> 01:39:15,928
We gathered food.

1148
01:39:16,528 --> 01:39:18,288
We traded with other tribes.

1149
01:39:19,108 --> 01:39:24,168
We sat around the fire and shared stories.

1150
01:39:25,328 --> 01:39:31,008
We connected with nature, with the stars, with cosmos, with self, with other, with God.

1151
01:39:31,908 --> 01:39:35,368
We made much fewer decisions.

1152
01:39:36,568 --> 01:39:41,248
And I think that is a much, much richer life than what we have now.

1153
01:39:41,868 --> 01:39:47,088
It sounds like it contains less, so therefore it should be a lesser life.

1154
01:39:47,348 --> 01:39:47,988
It is not.

1155
01:39:48,288 --> 01:39:51,228
this is what your life looks like now.

1156
01:39:52,928 --> 01:39:57,968
You wake up feeling drowsy, you have your caffeine,

1157
01:39:58,788 --> 01:40:03,388
you go about your day and make a gazillion decisions.

1158
01:40:04,568 --> 01:40:06,848
And for every decision that you make,

1159
01:40:07,508 --> 01:40:12,308
you are clogging your pathways in your mind with glutamate,

1160
01:40:12,308 --> 01:40:16,328
an excitatory neurotransmitter.

1161
01:40:16,328 --> 01:40:24,168
and then throughout the day adenosine which is a is another neurotransmitter that

1162
01:40:24,168 --> 01:40:32,068
builds sleep pressure builds up through through the day and then you have a lot of impressions

1163
01:40:32,068 --> 01:40:36,088
and things like this that are that you're going to have to process and then you go to bed

1164
01:40:36,088 --> 01:40:42,648
and then you start to that washes away the adenosine the sleep pressure molecule and the

1165
01:40:42,648 --> 01:40:49,248
glutamate, but you never really get to a place where your mind is clean.

1166
01:40:50,148 --> 01:40:59,588
So then you go about the next day with some debt, sleep debt and neurochemical debt.

1167
01:41:00,008 --> 01:41:02,648
So you compensate for that by drinking more caffeine.

1168
01:41:03,868 --> 01:41:11,148
And caffeine is one of the coolest molecules evolutionarily that has ever come into existence.

1169
01:41:11,148 --> 01:41:26,388
It is a molecule that awakens you but then prevents you from sleeping.

1170
01:41:26,988 --> 01:41:30,448
But it creates the solution to the problem that it creates.

1171
01:41:31,068 --> 01:41:32,188
And it's highly addictive.

1172
01:41:32,188 --> 01:41:45,828
So it has gone from this place in the Middle East and then colonized entire planet because it has hijacked our species.

1173
01:41:47,628 --> 01:41:56,308
So we now live a life where we are constantly in a neurochemical imbalance that is hurting us.

1174
01:41:56,308 --> 01:42:11,408
And on top of that, we are consuming more and more content because we are lacking in dopaminergic resiliency.

1175
01:42:12,508 --> 01:42:16,808
So we are now not as dopaminergic resilient as we used to be.

1176
01:42:16,808 --> 01:42:36,888
And what that means is that when you're not dopamine resilient, what that means is that you are much more inclined and at risk of binge eating and falling into doom scrolling and things like this.

1177
01:42:36,948 --> 01:42:42,408
And you don't get enough reward from a conversation or exercise.

1178
01:42:42,408 --> 01:42:50,108
So you get less reward than you would normally in a healthy dopaminergic system.

1179
01:42:50,928 --> 01:42:57,808
And then when you get a spike, or rather you get a spike from certain things like eating

1180
01:42:57,808 --> 01:43:01,968
chocolate instead of just having a normal response to it, and then you're more likely

1181
01:43:01,968 --> 01:43:15,762
to fall into a binge So we are neurochemically imbalanced and that the life that we lead today And it hurting us It not fulfilling us And like I said on top of that we also consuming

1182
01:43:15,762 --> 01:43:23,142
so much content. I remember back in the day when podcasts weren't as popular as they are today.

1183
01:43:23,142 --> 01:43:30,982
One of the first ones that I really enjoyed was Radiolab. And it was like a science podcast.

1184
01:43:30,982 --> 01:43:34,702
and I would listen to it at 1x speed

1185
01:43:34,702 --> 01:43:37,482
and I would listen to it twice and I would take notes.

1186
01:43:38,182 --> 01:43:40,062
And then I would talk to my friends about it.

1187
01:43:40,622 --> 01:43:41,622
I had perfect retention.

1188
01:43:42,602 --> 01:43:45,462
Now I listen to a lot of podcasts

1189
01:43:45,462 --> 01:43:49,022
at the very minimum 1.5 speed,

1190
01:43:49,682 --> 01:43:50,602
often two times.

1191
01:43:51,442 --> 01:43:53,842
And I listen to 100 podcasts

1192
01:43:53,842 --> 01:43:55,222
and I listen to several a day.

1193
01:43:55,462 --> 01:43:56,822
I have zero retention.

1194
01:43:58,022 --> 01:43:59,182
That must be weird.

1195
01:43:59,182 --> 01:44:02,282
I still sit down quietly and listen to one.

1196
01:44:02,282 --> 01:44:03,322
You're an exception to him.

1197
01:44:03,962 --> 01:44:04,402
And that's why,

1198
01:44:04,502 --> 01:44:05,442
but that's what this is.

1199
01:44:05,602 --> 01:44:06,042
This is,

1200
01:44:06,262 --> 01:44:08,062
this is a one X podcast.

1201
01:44:08,162 --> 01:44:09,922
And it's super enjoyable.

1202
01:44:10,162 --> 01:44:10,862
It's super enjoyable.

1203
01:44:11,202 --> 01:44:11,942
I've had my,

1204
01:44:12,102 --> 01:44:16,722
I've had my mind blown listening to two people sit at a table,

1205
01:44:16,802 --> 01:44:21,522
talk who live on the other side of the world at a different time in history.

1206
01:44:21,742 --> 01:44:22,382
You know,

1207
01:44:23,142 --> 01:44:23,642
there's,

1208
01:44:23,722 --> 01:44:25,122
I don't see the point of,

1209
01:44:25,522 --> 01:44:26,882
it's not enjoyable to listening,

1210
01:44:27,222 --> 01:44:28,622
listen to them at full speed,

1211
01:44:28,622 --> 01:44:34,662
but but it's missing the whole point of a podcast yeah like you can realize that sit at this table

1212
01:44:34,662 --> 01:44:41,302
if you get it right it works with headphones yes yes sitting at home it's a joke i always say it

1213
01:44:41,302 --> 01:44:46,842
in the intros to my pod you know sit down find a quiet spot relax enjoy the next couple of hours

1214
01:44:46,842 --> 01:44:51,682
because it's like that's the point it's enjoyable talking do you know what it's even more enjoyable

1215
01:44:51,682 --> 01:44:57,442
listening yes really you know engaging with the conversation be part of it that's very difficult

1216
01:44:57,442 --> 01:45:03,322
to do in the fiat system well i don't know there's a lot of opportunities you know you're going to

1217
01:45:03,322 --> 01:45:07,622
listen to a podcast when you're doing other things that's the beauty exactly but there's so much

1218
01:45:07,622 --> 01:45:14,902
so and that's the point what what kind of life are we looking forward to uh what can we look

1219
01:45:14,902 --> 01:45:19,862
forward to in a in a world where we don't have our fiat jobs anymore and we don't have the types

1220
01:45:19,862 --> 01:45:24,822
of responsibilities that we don't have what are we going to talk about we'll have we'll have a lot

1221
01:45:24,822 --> 01:45:30,602
to talk about we'll remember what it means to be human beings we'll sit around the fire no no this

1222
01:45:30,602 --> 01:45:37,962
is gonna it's gonna be a wonderful time you you're you're absolutely right though that um i i've been

1223
01:45:37,962 --> 01:45:45,542
a keen observer of fire fires for a very long time and i've always sat around fires i've taught it to

1224
01:45:45,542 --> 01:45:51,542
my children we all sit around fires in the winter inside in the and in the summer outdoors we cook

1225
01:45:51,542 --> 01:45:57,602
over open fires um the the lot the the the tradition i feel like i was put on this earth

1226
01:45:57,602 --> 01:46:04,042
to do is the storytelling tradition for a lot of my life i've done it through visual storytelling

1227
01:46:04,042 --> 01:46:11,822
right but i never felt as comfortable as i do now just talking about stuff and it's it's primordial

1228
01:46:11,822 --> 01:46:18,282
the talking is we've got no fire but but but it's this is the same thing this is what we do we

1229
01:46:18,282 --> 01:46:19,502
We've talked about our day.

1230
01:46:19,802 --> 01:46:23,282
We're talking about much more bigger ideas, potentially.

1231
01:46:23,642 --> 01:46:25,542
Yes, we live through our stories.

1232
01:46:26,262 --> 01:46:27,802
And we live through other people's stories.

1233
01:46:28,122 --> 01:46:29,742
And human beings are storytellers.

1234
01:46:31,102 --> 01:46:37,542
We are a species of engineers, explorers, and storytellers.

1235
01:46:38,062 --> 01:46:38,862
That's what we are.

1236
01:46:40,382 --> 01:46:42,542
And I think we're going back to that.

1237
01:46:42,682 --> 01:46:44,042
And I think it's going to be liberating.

1238
01:46:44,042 --> 01:46:50,842
I think that we are gonna rediscover what it means to be human to connect with one another and realize that life is

1239
01:46:50,842 --> 01:46:55,502
Perfect just as it is. We don't need to fill it with a lot of stuff

1240
01:46:55,502 --> 01:46:58,202
We don't need to make a gazillion decisions a day

1241
01:46:58,202 --> 01:47:05,782
It's perfectly fine to just be and where we can learn that our primary architecture is to just be

1242
01:47:05,782 --> 01:47:12,562
Not to do we are human beings not human doings and where we can rest comfortably in our

1243
01:47:12,562 --> 01:47:14,202
in our being

1244
01:47:14,202 --> 01:47:17,442
I think that is where we can

1245
01:47:17,442 --> 01:47:18,642
flourish truly

1246
01:47:18,642 --> 01:47:21,562
we can be in a place

1247
01:47:21,562 --> 01:47:23,222
where we connect with self

1248
01:47:23,222 --> 01:47:25,242
other nature, cosmos

1249
01:47:25,242 --> 01:47:27,362
and just have

1250
01:47:27,362 --> 01:47:28,882
endless conversations

1251
01:47:28,882 --> 01:47:31,822
or just sit in silence and just be

1252
01:47:31,822 --> 01:47:33,102
and that is a wonderful

1253
01:47:33,102 --> 01:47:34,102
experience

1254
01:47:34,102 --> 01:47:37,082
what about K3 societies though

1255
01:47:37,082 --> 01:47:38,162
we'll never get to there

1256
01:47:38,162 --> 01:47:40,422
we're all sitting around the fire chatting

1257
01:47:40,422 --> 01:47:47,702
how are we going to master the the energy of the solar system that's that's part of the jobs that

1258
01:47:47,702 --> 01:47:52,522
we'll have uh that's that's part of going there uh we're always going to have our struggles our

1259
01:47:52,522 --> 01:47:58,002
technological struggles our philosophical struggles and so you think we can this is

1260
01:47:58,002 --> 01:48:02,442
something i've always found fascinating about the bitcoin community is you get all these people

1261
01:48:02,442 --> 01:48:10,382
heavily into bitcoin tech freedom tech this kind of stuff but everyone dreams of having a homestead

1262
01:48:10,382 --> 01:48:14,362
and it's this funny little balance between the two.

1263
01:48:14,442 --> 01:48:15,302
Is that what you're talking about?

1264
01:48:15,382 --> 01:48:17,622
This is the solar punk vision.

1265
01:48:18,002 --> 01:48:18,582
Is that right?

1266
01:48:18,702 --> 01:48:20,222
I've never heard that.

1267
01:48:20,222 --> 01:48:26,042
Yeah, the solar punk vision is when we are rediscovering

1268
01:48:26,042 --> 01:48:26,902
what it means to be human.

1269
01:48:27,522 --> 01:48:31,342
And that for somebody means running around naked

1270
01:48:31,342 --> 01:48:32,482
to do an LSD all day.

1271
01:48:32,702 --> 01:48:36,062
For others, it might mean sitting around fire telling stories.

1272
01:48:36,502 --> 01:48:40,002
For somebody else, it'll mean being an explorer

1273
01:48:40,002 --> 01:48:42,622
right now we are

1274
01:48:42,622 --> 01:48:45,262
peering into the oceans of the cosmos

1275
01:48:45,262 --> 01:48:46,802
and as Carl Sagan said

1276
01:48:46,802 --> 01:48:48,542
the waters are looking quite friendly

1277
01:48:48,542 --> 01:48:50,362
we're going to be standing on

1278
01:48:50,362 --> 01:48:53,422
others stellar bodies

1279
01:48:53,422 --> 01:48:55,262
being explorers

1280
01:48:55,262 --> 01:48:57,262
there's a lot of work

1281
01:48:57,262 --> 01:48:59,202
to do, a lot of meaningful

1282
01:48:59,202 --> 01:49:00,042
work to do

1283
01:49:00,042 --> 01:49:03,002
and then there's a lot of being to be done

1284
01:49:03,002 --> 01:49:05,002
alright, final question

1285
01:49:05,002 --> 01:49:07,222
you're going to love this one

1286
01:49:07,222 --> 01:49:08,402
why?

1287
01:49:10,002 --> 01:49:12,162
Why do we need to go out into space?

1288
01:49:12,822 --> 01:49:15,042
Why do we need to do all this stuff?

1289
01:49:16,422 --> 01:49:18,902
Because we are honoring the human experience.

1290
01:49:20,982 --> 01:49:25,622
As human beings, we are engineers, we are explorers, and we are storytellers.

1291
01:49:26,482 --> 01:49:34,362
And as a consequence of that, we will go to other, we will look beyond the hill.

1292
01:49:34,942 --> 01:49:37,322
We will row across the pond.

1293
01:49:37,322 --> 01:49:43,122
We will build ships and airplanes and spacecraft and we will explore.

1294
01:49:44,042 --> 01:49:45,462
And then we will tell our stories.

1295
01:49:45,962 --> 01:49:52,582
We will tell stories about our days, stories about our adventures, stories about our ideas.

1296
01:49:54,682 --> 01:50:01,922
And your primary purpose, your primary archetype is just to be.

1297
01:50:02,722 --> 01:50:09,222
All of the other stuff is something that we do because we can and because we want to,

1298
01:50:09,462 --> 01:50:10,262
but we don't have to.

1299
01:50:10,642 --> 01:50:13,282
The only thing you have to do as a human being is to be.

1300
01:50:15,882 --> 01:50:19,822
And you can always find your personal why,

1301
01:50:21,042 --> 01:50:27,242
and that is up to you because there is no meaning inherent to the cosmos.

1302
01:50:27,702 --> 01:50:28,522
You create it.

1303
01:50:28,522 --> 01:50:35,562
So we have, as Brian Cox says, a tremendous responsibility as a species.

1304
01:50:35,942 --> 01:50:51,162
Because if our species goes extinct, we might eliminate meaning from an entire galaxy by virtue of going extinct.

1305
01:50:51,162 --> 01:50:57,162
So we have a tremendous responsibility on a cosmological scale preserving meaning.

1306
01:50:57,162 --> 01:51:00,442
because you and I create meaning.

1307
01:51:00,622 --> 01:51:01,422
It doesn't exist.

1308
01:51:01,542 --> 01:51:02,462
You and I create it.

1309
01:51:02,742 --> 01:51:04,442
It doesn't exist inherently in the cosmos.

1310
01:51:04,882 --> 01:51:05,962
We create it.

1311
01:51:05,962 --> 01:51:08,642
So you decide what your why is.

1312
01:51:10,502 --> 01:51:12,382
The only thing we can do

1313
01:51:12,382 --> 01:51:15,722
is to honor the human experience.

1314
01:51:16,522 --> 01:51:19,922
And if you want to live a radically aligned life,

1315
01:51:21,522 --> 01:51:25,862
my suggestion is that you learn to live in body

1316
01:51:25,862 --> 01:51:29,562
and learn body's way of communicating with you.

1317
01:51:30,262 --> 01:51:34,462
And you are either a storyteller, an explorer,

1318
01:51:35,862 --> 01:51:43,782
or something that is aligned with what it means to be human.

1319
01:51:44,242 --> 01:51:49,582
We don't have to invent all these crazy kinds of jobs

1320
01:51:49,582 --> 01:51:51,282
just to have something to do.

1321
01:51:51,282 --> 01:51:58,362
we don't need more content just to numb ourselves there's a life to be lived

1322
01:51:58,362 --> 01:52:05,662
and a human experience to be had so because

1323
01:52:05,662 --> 01:52:16,562
okay i think we better knock it on the head mate it's not that's three and a half hours i'm like

1324
01:52:16,562 --> 01:52:22,082
my brain is frazzled i feel like i've done a little bit of um a tiniest bit of buffo

1325
01:52:22,082 --> 01:52:29,102
but it's in a good way i enjoyed it yeah me too i loved it i enjoyed this thank you for a great

1326
01:52:29,102 --> 01:52:29,682
conversation

1327
01:52:29,976 --> 01:52:40,836
um and um yeah and good luck i still feel like i i don't know the answer but i'm not sure i knew

1328
01:52:40,836 --> 01:52:45,416
the question because really at the end of the day what can you do but one foot in front of the other

1329
01:52:45,416 --> 01:52:50,256
end of your life you know it doesn't matter you have to make peace with that reality doesn't exist

1330
01:52:50,256 --> 01:52:54,716
time doesn't exist the meaning doesn't exist and death is an illusion life is an illusion

1331
01:52:54,716 --> 01:52:59,856
you have to make peace with these if you if you like you can intellectualize these things and then

1332
01:52:59,856 --> 01:53:04,176
they don't really mean a lot but when you truly see it it takes on a different meaning and then

1333
01:53:04,176 --> 01:53:09,856
it can be quite difficult to make peace with but if you choose to have us do a spiritual journey in

1334
01:53:09,856 --> 01:53:16,136
life you have to make peace with these kinds of things yeah i could easily make peace with doing

1335
01:53:16,136 --> 01:53:24,076
nothing right now i need some time off all right only thanks mate and enjoy your talk tomorrow and

1336
01:53:24,076 --> 01:53:27,616
your panel and all that kind of stuff and it's been great talking to you thank you thank you

1337
01:53:29,856 --> 01:53:59,836
Thank you.