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Welcome to the Free Cities podcast. My name is Timothy Allen and this is the official podcast

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of the Free Cities Foundation.

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Hello and welcome to this episode number 146 of the Free Cities podcast, brought to you as always by our wonderful sponsor Veritas Villages.

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And if you want to meet these guys in person, well, Patrick Hibbert, the creator of Veritas Villages,

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will be speaking at this year's Free Cities Conference in Prague coming up in the next couple of months.

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31st of October to the 2nd of November 2025. Get into the show notes for a link to get your tickets

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now. That's a wonderful event. Today's guest knows that's a wonderful event. In fact, she was a speaker

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at last year's Free Cities Conference. She's also a two-time former guest on this show,

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and there's a good reason for that. Her episodes are both in the top section of the most listened

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to list for this podcast. Efrat always brings a crowd. Yes, Efrat Fenigsson is an independent

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journalist, marketing expert and host. Now, I think that's probably what she's best known as

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these days. Host of her own hugely successful podcast, You're the Voice. It's always a joy to

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see her. I bumped into her this time in Riga in Latvia. Here's my AI take on the conversation.

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Let's see what it made of it.

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This is a wide ranging conversation about navigating an increasingly chaotic world.

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Efrat and Timothy explore censorship, shadow banning and freedom online and how community and personal branding can help push back.

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Efrat highlights Bitcoin and privacy as essential tools for reclaiming sovereignty in the digital age.

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They also discuss personal growth and resilience, touching on microdosing, psychedelics, spirituality and life as a digital nomad.

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Efrat speaks candidly about Israel, reflecting on propaganda, resistance and her own choice to leave the country and embrace a new way of living.

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She stresses the need for hope, creativity and building parallel systems.

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And you know how much we love those that allow individuals and communities to thrive beyond centralized control,

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blending their personal with the political, the digital with the spiritual and offering a vision of freer futures.

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Yes. Amen to that. Nothing much to add myself.

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just give it a listen. Everett is here to remind you to stop whinging and get on with the job of

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making the world a freer place. And we're all here for that, I know. If you're interested in her other

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episodes, I'll leave links to those in the show notes as well. She's done two previous ones. Right,

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many thanks to ANTCB, Chris Albanese, Bullish Mike, Matthias, Cousin Vinny, Dovidas, you know who you

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are my wonderful new subscribers who are actively supporting the show with their subscriptions on

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the fountain app this week they got a bonus episode which was a long conversation with

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the wonderful bitcoiner gg if you want some feedback on that from a subscriber bullish mike

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says quotes certified banger timothy and gg too much to even highlight and i agree it was an awesome

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Convo part two of a four and a half hour conversation with someone who I think is one of the most

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exciting thinkers in the Bitcoin space. But I could let you decide that. Please subscribe if

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Right, I'm out of here. I'm actually off to Serbia in a few hours to revisit Liberland for the Liberpolco gathering.

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Hopefully I won't end up with another naughty, naughty stamp in my passport from the Croatian authorities.

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Let's see, shall we? OK, Efrat's in the house. Time to pay attention.

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You know what? You could even grab your inversion therapy sling and listen to this one hanging upside down, if you like.

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Either way, please just sit back, hang out if you want, relax and enjoy my conversation with Efrat Fenixen.

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now what i was going to say was yeah um interesting thing and i think you've actually

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spoken about this because i did see you mention it on your social media i obviously when we

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from our last conversation i've made social media clips right out of what you've said when i post

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them to tiktok i know but isn't that funny only yours right they get they get um struck immediately

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i've i've been i have then um every single time you know whatever it is complained what do you do

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you make a yeah yeah whatever that word is yeah and they all get reinstated 24 hours later and

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then get no views. I know. Zero views. Interesting, isn't it? Yeah. You are now, you've been marked.

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I know. I am suppressed. I know that. People think I'm just saying it, but I know that it's real.

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Even on my Twitter with more than a hundred thousand followers, when I post some stuff that

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is a bit, a bit out there, I feel it the next day. I've got like a few likes here and there.

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And not that I'm chasing the likes, but it's just you see the anomaly.

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You see the difference between a normal day and those kind of days where I hardly get any views on my content.

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And that cannot be because my content all of a sudden sucks.

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I more or less do the same stuff.

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Do you know what, though?

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I'm being suppressed.

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I have to say, though.

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My Facebook is the worst.

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Even though you're being suppressed, you're doing bloody well, Efra.

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You are.

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I'm in awe of your...

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That's why I continue doing public speaking.

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Because those stages are allowing me to go up there and speak.

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So I do that.

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And my podcast, no one's going to close my podcast.

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And even if Spotify censors me,

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even if I cannot upload my episode with Kevin McKernan to YouTube,

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it's on Rumble and it's on Substack and it's on Noster

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and it's everywhere I can have it.

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That's why I'm decentralized.

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That's why I'm this hydra.

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Okay, push the button and close me here.

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I'm still there.

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It's like, fuck you.

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It's not about the numbers.

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My voice has to be out there.

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The people that I bring have to be heard.

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So I'm going to continue.

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No, I just think, I mean, I think it's great.

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It's a weird time.

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I was talking about you with Jeff just before you came,

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that what you've done well is community.

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that is good for community.

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People like you, people want to support you,

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people want to get you out there.

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And whatever that is, that je ne sais quoi, you've got it and it's brilliant.

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And probably, because we talk about this a lot on this podcast about how you defend a physical place.

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How do you defend a free city from socialists?

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One of them is community.

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You want the community backing you because they will defend you against the people that you don't like.

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You don't have to go up there and do it yourself.

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And those people, especially if they're a state, will look at the community and go, well, hey, actually, maybe we don't want to piss these people off.

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So maybe that is your superpower. I don't know.

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Because, you know, even though I've been shadow banned so many times, I've never been actually deplatformed, which is an interesting thing.

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Because they could have and should have. They have deplatformed other people like me many times.

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But I have a suspicion that maybe because of the fact that they know I have such a good engagement On Twitter if you look at my numbers the engagement rates are way higher than normal So people they collaborate with me

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They engage with me.

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They answer me.

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I talk to them.

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And the algorithm sees that.

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So maybe they have this feature saying, if they're above a certain engagement rate, meaning that they have a strong community, don't take them down.

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Just try and get them suppressed.

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So they have never taken me down.

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They're just like making me silent.

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And in a way, if they took you down, it could even be bigger than...

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It would backlash on them because then it would make more noise.

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And I think this is, spiritually speaking, this is super interesting

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because the whole thing is about my voice and them trying to silence me

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and the technology helping both of us, helping them suppress me,

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helping me reach out to more and more people.

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and the thing I'm trying to do now with my little business little modest business just to

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further um further stabilize this community you're talking about is to monetize on my community

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because I believe that if I create an even stronger bond with those people who want to

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support me directly then I really have them as my back you know I've got and I already have that

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on Substack with a very small percentage of people that are paying subscribers and they want to

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support me no matter what. And once a month I go and I do a live session with them and they love it.

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And it's not much, but it's strong. And that kind of brand that you build for yourself,

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like that kind of personal brand, personal engagement is a strong weapon in today's day

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age what's your describe your demographic then who is it who is it who is it it's mostly boomers

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and the number one cluster is boomers men

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oh no yes you're an attractive older lady yeah it's like the 50 to 65 i think but then uh but

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then no i mean it's between 30 to 65 which is like my strongest audience mostly male but i do have a

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lot of females relatively to other podcasters and public speakers because I'm a woman and they can

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identify more with me than with men. So I do have about anywhere between 25 to 35% women, which is

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quite a bit, because I talk about money and I talk about like manly stuff, but they still follow me.

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And the US is number one in terms of countries and then Germany.

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I mean, UK first, then Germany, and then many other European countries.

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And obviously Israel too, because I'm Israeli.

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The Israelis are making a real effort to follow me because it's mostly in English,

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but they want to kind of stay updated.

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The ones that are based and open-minded, which is not many.

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funny enough i i tried to get lots of more women on the show because i end up interviewing a lot

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of guys obviously and i did i just did a run of i think six consecutive women now here no no not

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here published i it was i did an america trip went all around america interviewed various different

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people and it i've still got like three percent women demographic but that's the that and i don't

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care. I don't mind that. I get it. You're not that interested. Women aren't going to be necessarily

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interested in building free cities and freedom and all that. Well, they are and they will be,

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but it's because I think you're a guy. So like women look for other women that are speaking out

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because they feel a lot more confident when it comes from someone like them.

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But my guests are women though, or is that not enough? No, it has to be the other way around.

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Fair enough. But also the more women you will have on your show as guests, the number will grow.

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With time.

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Will it?

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Yeah, yeah, it will.

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Just keep doing it.

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Keep doing it.

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Because then your guests, the women, will share it with their circles.

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And yeah, it will grow.

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It will just be smaller.

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You are by far the most popular woman that's ever been on my show, though.

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A hundred percent without a show.

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It's not even close, either.

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It's a massive increase in women and lots of other things, you know.

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Well, I love the discussions with you.

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Thanks for having me on again.

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talking of discussions then yeah what we're going to talk about let me just tell you one thing which

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i find interesting is i looked i i i won't bore you with the facts but i had this absolute

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catastrophic problem and i've been fixing that so i didn't actually get time to do much research

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because i was doing something else but what i did do is i looked at what your i thought oh let's see

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what what you're tweeting about and what you're or what you're nostring about and what you're

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speaking about here and weird what you're speaking about here is almost everything i used to be the

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kind of you know cbdc bitcoin girl you know who's like but now you're talking about protecting

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freedom monetary order the institutional phase of bitcoin building communities it's like yeah

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because this is what bitcoin did to me it's like fucking opened my horizons everywhere and the more

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I do this and now I'm at number 90 episodes of my podcast and the more people I speak to,

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the more I understand that because Bitcoin is money and money is the underlying foundation

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for our lives, then Bitcoin is everything. And so my job now is to bring life into Bitcoin

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rather than bringing Bitcoin into people's lives. That is going to happen with me or without me.

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Now I need to infuse as many topics of life that are interesting to me into Bitcoin so that people are aware of that.

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Because they are not aware of the importance of not enough, the mental and spiritual work that they need to do in their lives in order to stay sane in those turbulent years that we're undergoing.

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That's one.

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they're not very well aware of the global agendas that are happening which you and i both cover

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extensively and we know how important it is to connect the thread between you know climate and

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health and food and and money etc because that makes you smarter and makes you more prepared

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and obviously geoengineering which is huge and now i'm into weather space as well i spoke to

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Oh my God, this is like a fucking mind blown.

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I did one with Princey, Daniel Prince.

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Yeah, Space Weather, sorry.

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And it's hilarious.

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And he even wore his little red glasses.

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Right, right, right.

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But I mean, he's playing up a bit as well.

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It's kind of like, because I said to him,

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are you getting pushback for this?

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He said, loads.

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Of course.

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You know, people are saying, dude,

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calm down on the chemtrails and stuff.

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It's like not a good look, but he didn't give a...

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Oh, no, we don't give a fuck.

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We're in the same group of crazy Bitcoiners who are also in chemtrails and geoengineering.

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And we do a lot of work around it.

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And you see, that's another thing I do.

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Well, I don't have a lot of time, but I want to touch on all these things because I feel

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they are so critical.

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One of the most fascinating topics for me today, which I am still in the, and I'm going

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to be forever, the absorption phase rather than the speaking out about it phase is quantum

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physics and where it meets reality. So it's like, where spirituality and physics meet? Where is

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earth and spirit meet? And what does it look like in life? And so I follow people like Federico

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Fagin, he's an Italian quantum physicist, and he's amazing. And I'm reading books and

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And, you know, what those, whatever.

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It's hard to talk about that stuff, though.

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I, you know, I did, I don't know whether it's relevant here, but I did have a breakthrough moment in the last few days talking to Max, particularly Max Hillebrand, about property rights.

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And it's not going to sound like there's a connection here, but there is.

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and basically how you prove unequivocally that property rights,

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that property is a naturally occurring thing.

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It's easy to think that someone like John Locke created this idea

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that if you have something and you add your value,

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do you know about the Lockean tradition?

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I don't think so.

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Most property rights currently legal spiel is based on the theory of John Locke.

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he was a 1700s sort of philosopher.

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He basically said, if you have a piece of land,

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it was about homesteading.

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If you have a piece of land, there's nothing.

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If you add your labor to it, it becomes your property.

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Got it.

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Right.

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And the US then, that became the homesteading law, 160 acres.

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As long as you lived there and you added your labor, you could.

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So it was a law.

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Plain it as yours.

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Now, the temptation is to look at that as a law and go,

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okay, that's a man-made law.

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But basically, when you analyze Bitcoin,

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and this is gonna blow your mind if you get it,

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if you look at the Bitcoin network,

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where there is nothing, if you add proof of work,

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you get property You claim it Right but you don even claim it You get It appears It creates property If the miner does proof of work it creates property And that is indisputable You

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can't, that's like two plus two is one. You can't suddenly, it's not a man-made, you discovered

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that law of life. Yep. That is beautiful. Right. Now, and you go further, and I won't because

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So Max tried to explain it to me and then I ended up looking like a zombie.

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But he's a deep thinker.

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He is.

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He's gone further with various other things.

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The conclusion he had was the cypherpunks are so right about so many things and I don't even know it.

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And they're so deeply right.

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They're so deeply right about what's freedom, for example.

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Freedom is right.

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Freedom is the right thing.

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It's not, you know, you can prove it like you can prove that property exists.

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Stuff like that.

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And the cypherpunks are the ones.

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And that connects beautifully to quantum physics and the quantum reality in which freedom is the natural state of energy in the universe.

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Because it's free floating and there is, it's chaotic.

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There is no order there.

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And things are being pulled from the ether.

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And it's just all out there.

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and energy flow makes it make sense in a way to us and there and there is so much that we don't

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know about how this universe and how reality actually operates and we are full of ourselves

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we are so full of hubris thinking that we got it all figured out but we are so far from it and the

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more i learn the more i understand the more humble i become to say wow thank you for every day on

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this planet in this creation making me part of this huge unbelievable experiment that is actually

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working somehow and i hope we're not going to fuck it up but it's i think what's happening to me in

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the last couple of years inside my spiritual awakening journey is that my intellectual

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ability is kind of expanding maybe it's also to do with the fact that i've been microdosing a lot

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mushroom and yeah and and i feel like my capacity to hold more information is growing all the time

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even though my age is growing as well even though people say that the older you get the harder it is

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and the more i do mental spiritual work and clear out more and more trauma especially ancestral

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trauma because i kind of feel like i've done most of the work with my own personal trauma from this

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reincarnation. And now I'm kind of looking at other stuff that my grandparents have been carrying,

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or my other ancestors have been taking with them, even collective trauma, like the Jewish people

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and Israelis and things like that. The more I am deeper into that and able to kind of comprehend

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why we take the way we do and why we are carrying all this baggage, unnecessary baggage,

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and then inflicting it onto others.

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And I am saying in my own little realm,

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I'm willing to put that shit aside and move on.

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The more intellectual mental capacity I have

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to then absorb new stuff and become aware of new things

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and the more curious I become.

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And then the only problem I have is that I'm still bound

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to the time and space laws of this physical realm

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and I don't have enough time in the day to absorb more content.

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Maybe not.

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It's quantum.

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Well, yeah, maybe not because then what happens is when I go to sleep at night,

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I work double as hard as I do during the day and I remember everything.

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I'm fully present in my dream time and I know what I'm doing.

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I know where I am, who I'm meeting, what I'm doing.

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And my mind even explodes even more when I wake up in the morning

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because I wake up and I go, fuck, what just happened?

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Where did I just visit?

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What did I just do?

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and oftentimes the weirdest thing that is happening these days that people tell me in the morning

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that i appeared in their dream i dreamed like you were there you did this you did that i'm like

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so i'm kind of i don't know time traveling dimensionally traveling during the night i

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don't know what i'm doing but something is happening and it's like i've got to ask about

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microdosing. I've done my fair share of psychedelics, but I've never done microdosing.

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Okay. And also haven't really done anything much in the last sort of probably 15 years.

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Tell me about microdosing. How do you do it for starters? How do you get a microdose?

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So the people that are making it, thank God they exist, are taking mushrooms, grinding them,

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turning them into powder, and then putting them into a capsule. So you can just swallow it like

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any other pill okay so it's a it's a mushroom um powder that's what it is are you have you taken

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psychedelics and really like properly yeah and so what's the what's the difference like

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is there any of that the difference is very evident yeah sure well when you do a mushroom

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trip or any other psychedelic trip then you know you're out cold you're out there you're doing your

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own thing and probably in a different dimension different realm and yes your consciousness truly

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expands and you see visions and other things etc but when you microdose you're not going there

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it's not tripping it's you're you're still here in the bound to the laws of the third dimension

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time and space and you are the only thing that maybe changes is your frequency gets higher so

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So you may be on, instead of being on the third, fourth dimension, you may be experiencing the fifth dimension just in terms of frequency, but you're still here.

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So your frequency goes up. It means that your senses may be more tuned.

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Your cognitive ability will sharpen.

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You will have more lucid dreams, which is what I've been describing.

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you may be more relaxed because the emotions and feelings that we are experiencing in the third

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dimensions are very polarized you know how we we're attuned to have chemical reactions in our

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bodies that will trigger certain emotions and feelings and it will start with the emotions

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which will oftentimes be very polarized meaning now I'm upset now I'm sad now I'm happy now I'm

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bored, you know, and all these things will be experienced to a very large degree, in a very

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real way. Like we will experience them as if they are controlling our body, they are controlling

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our sensations, they become feelings after they are emotions. And when you're microdosing, what I

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felt, and I don't know if everyone feels that, but my experience was that the emotions are a little

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bit more calm down. It's like, it's not as intense. It's not as dramatic. That's the right way of

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saying it. Like it can still be, obviously you still feel it. It's not like you're taking an

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antidepressant and you completely suppress that emotional mechanism. It's there for you to

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experience, but you're more observing it and you're less into it being very dramatic about it.

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So it's like, oh, okay, now this has happened.

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Everything kind of slows down.

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You can take it with a little bit less drama, which is always great for a human because we're very dramatic.

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And how often do you do it?

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So I've been, I don't do it all the time.

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Normally when I do it, it's for a series of about anywhere between like five to six weeks long.

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And then there's a protocol of how you take it.

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So you may take it once a day and then, sorry, two days and then one day break, two days,

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one day break.

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That's one protocol, I think.

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Don't quote me.

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The other protocol I did is like four days and then three days break, four days, three

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days break.

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And the reason why you want to do those intervals is because you want to let your body kind

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of integrate that experience from when you're taking it and also want to be able to compare

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how you are with it and without it.

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and you want to do this for a long period of time.

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And you're not supposed to have any interruption to your daily routine.

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Like if what you do is write and read and talk to people,

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you're supposed to be doing that just the same, even better.

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So the first time I took it, I felt like I could read, I could write,

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but then, sorry, I could read, I could listen.

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It was very hard for me to write.

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And then I said, that's too much of a dose for me.

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So I lowered the dose because it's micro dosing.

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It's really, really low, but my body is very sensitive and you have to listen to your body

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and know how much it takes.

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So I took less than that.

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So, so yeah, I don't eat much.

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You've done some podcasts during that time.

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Oh, for sure.

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I've done everything.

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Right.

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Everything.

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And it's in describe the difference then, like you are more acute.

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I told you I think the bottom line is I just have a very strong intellectual capacity with it And does it stay Yeah Well did I become dumber after I not taking microdosing now for the past But you always seemed pretty

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Four or five months.

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...to me, you know?

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Yes, I'm not a stupid person, but I...

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I...

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It's been...

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I've taken it three times over the last, let's say, year and a half

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for a period of about six weeks every time.

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So it's not like I'm doing this every day, all day.

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I haven't taken any the past four or five months.

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And I feel like that effect stays.

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Because this is the thing with psychedelics, which you can probably identify with because you've done it,

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is that once that key unlocks something in your consciousness, it normally doesn't go back to be the way it was before.

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Yeah, I think.

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So it's a little bit like that.

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The reason I do, my whole life trajectory has been because I did psychedelics when I was about 16, I think.

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Right.

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I don't think, when I look at my peer group, my friend group, where I grew up, I went off, I was the one that didn't go and get a job in the city of London and do this and blah, blah, blah.

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And I think, in my case, it was very visceral.

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The first time I did it, I was different.

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From that point onwards, at 16, I can remember it.

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It's like the first time you see, if you do a proper dose of, say, mushrooms, which I think we were doing acid probably, but whatever.

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And you notice something about yourself that you didn't notice before.

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Yeah.

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You can never forget that.

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It's always there from that point onwards.

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Right.

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And it's like that, you know, and depending on what happens to you.

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I mean, there's lots of different types.

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Mushrooms for me were always something I did for fun.

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Actually, a couple of times in Thailand, we did it ceremonially.

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and fasted with it and stuff like that.

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But really it was something that was part of a funny night out or something.

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Right.

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But it was other ones that I took seriously.

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Right.

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And used them as ways to discover myself.

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Absolutely.

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But not for a long time though.

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And I think now I feel…

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Look, we have the habit of going back to our old ways.

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Yeah, but mine's quite simple.

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I feel that I, have you ever had a bad trip?

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I don't think I did.

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I had a really hard time on my first night of ayahuasca,

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but I don't call that a bad trip.

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I think it's part of the game.

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Did you ever have that experience where you thought,

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I want this to stop, it can't stop, oh my God, I'm spiraling in, you know.

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Yeah, I think during my ayahuasca it was like that.

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And I was like, fuck, this is hard.

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This is tough.

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And it's not stopping.

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And I'm going crazy.

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Yeah.

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And yeah.

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Maybe it sounds like you were pretty cool with it.

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And I think I predict probably I would be pretty cool with it.

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But I have noticed that the pressures of modern life sometimes show me the beginning of that same journey, if you see what I mean.

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So I one time, I don't know, six years ago, I had a very important speaking engagement.

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And there was a lot of people there.

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it was over a thousand people standing in front of me.

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And I got up on stage ready to go.

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And I'd had malaria previously.

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And I'd been in hospital on a drip.

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So I was exhausted.

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I was knackered.

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I got up on stage and I was standing there.

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And suddenly I knew nothing.

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I didn't even know what I was looking at and something.

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And I went and I felt, I can feel it now.

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I can bring it up.

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I felt, oh my God, what the hell?

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These people are looking at me.

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I don't know who I am, what I'm doing, what I'm doing.

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And the only thing I could do is I said, fortunately, because I just had malaria and I had literally just been in the hospital.

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I said, sorry, guys, I'm just going to go off stage and have a glass of water because I and I told the story of having malaria.

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And I walked off.

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Yes.

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And I went to the thing.

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I put water over myself and I came back and I was fine.

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But the point was, that's the beginning of a bad trip on acid that you can't stop.

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I just managed to stop it at that point.

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I could feel it.

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It's like, I am in a situation which I don't want to be in.

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I'm trying to get out and I can't.

444
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:26,460
And I've followed that in a psychedelic experience to the point where there was a single thread

445
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:29,160
connecting me to all that is.

446
00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:31,080
Nothing else.

447
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:40,220
So, and outside of that thread was complete despair, which is the bottom of the spiritual

448
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:42,400
bucket or whatever you want to call it.

449
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,900
It's like, have you ever felt despair about something?

450
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:45,260
Yes.

451
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:48,980
Right, now imagine the most extreme form of despair you can,

452
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,200
which in my case came from being disconnected

453
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,780
from everything that was.

454
00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:58,040
And in that one trip, there was literally a thread

455
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,140
that was infinitely small connecting me to everything that is.

456
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:06,480
And the despair was really there.

457
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,440
And it was ready to engulf me.

458
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:11,900
And that's like, I worry about going back there.

459
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:18,980
I really do. Because, you know, at that point, that was many years ago, that was like, I was in my 30s, maybe.

460
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,860
That is so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.

461
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:23,500
But it's a scary place to be.

462
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,100
I understand.

463
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:31,560
Because in the despair is you living in a mental asylum. I really do think so. Or at least that's what was stopping.

464
00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:31,960
I live with the birds of people, yeah.

465
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Well, yeah, but maybe for me. And I've got kids and a family. I don't want to go there.

466
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:36,760
I understand.

467
00:33:36,780 --> 00:33:39,240
But I do want to explore. I'd love to be doing.

468
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,120
Microdosing will be the easiest thing you've ever done in your life because you've done psychedelics.

469
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,380
But no, I'm talking about even when you mention ayahuasca, you know, I'd love to do.

470
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:54,540
Yeah, but the spectrum of ayahuasca and microdosing, right?

471
00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:55,900
Yeah, but there's so much to see.

472
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,500
It's like I'm a traveler, I'm an explorer, I'm an inquisitive person.

473
00:33:59,760 --> 00:33:59,980
Yeah.

474
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,560
That world is there for the taking if you choose to.

475
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:06,820
It is, but you need to trust that you can do it.

476
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:08,200
You need to trust yourself.

477
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,420
You need to trust that you'll be strong enough to hold everything.

478
00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:18,160
And yes, while you were talking, I remembered that I did have one time where I was on something.

479
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,000
And then I felt like, ooh, spinning up.

480
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:23,920
I'm about to lose it.

481
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,600
And I had to lie down and breathe and get myself out of it.

482
00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:34,620
And that then reminded me of how I used to faint.

483
00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:41,580
and I have fainted quite a few times during my life and and it's funny because when you say

484
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:47,120
fainting people attribute it only to a physical thing you faint it's like something happens to

485
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:52,700
your body you blank out and then you come back and it's like a physical thing but I believe and

486
00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:58,400
I have no proof of it and I would love to research more about it that would probably go into the list

487
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:07,180
there that you've done about fainting because I believe that maybe fainting has also a spiritual

488
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:14,220
aspect to it and there is something spiritual or mental telling you that place that you have

489
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:20,820
described. You have reached that place right now. You don't want to be here or you don't need to be

490
00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:25,900
here. We are going to pull you out for a second from that consciousness so that you can reset

491
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:32,140
everything we will take care of you we will guide you I don't know who we is right we will guide you

492
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:40,100
you'll be guarded trusted loved protected and then you'll be back because every time I had fainted

493
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:50,200
and it started when I was 16 I had a an experience of going outside of my body and the the return back

494
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:56,880
was the only thing that I can remember that I was out of it.

495
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Because while I'm out of it, I can't remember anything.

496
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,600
But then there's this split second,

497
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:06,240
and it may just be it's split second in linear terms.

498
00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:09,740
Who knows how long it is in quantum terms,

499
00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:12,140
but it feels like if I have to stretch it,

500
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:17,860
it feels like I'm returning from somewhere, sometime back here.

501
00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:23,840
like a little bit like in those movies where you see like you're returning back to where you are

502
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,280
and then you open it and it's like fuck where am i what just happened and it's all black and weird

503
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:38,100
and then there's these people and so the sensation during fainting i believe extends further than

504
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:43,320
just a physical sensation i think there is something more to it something spiritual and

505
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,460
that we're experiencing.

506
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:46,940
It's funny, if you'd have been born in India or Nepal,

507
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,740
you might at this point be surrounded

508
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:51,440
by people throwing flowers at you and stuff.

509
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,460
Because I'm sure I know instances of this.

510
00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:58,880
Children who had this experience

511
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,720
who then become vilified in a good way.

512
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Because this is a spiritual experience.

513
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520
You know, a 14 or a 16 year old girl keeps fainting.

514
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:08,000
Yeah.

515
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,460
And then starts talking in tongues afterwards

516
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:12,400
and then starts doing this and starts doing that.

517
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,380
I'm sure I've come across a few origin stories.

518
00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:18,240
Dude, you have to send some material about it.

519
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,040
No, but I think particularly in Nepal,

520
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,920
I think there are some Nepalese, very young,

521
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,380
very young, not bodies at first,

522
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:27,840
but you know, like enlightened people who,

523
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,940
not that I'm saying you're necessarily enlightened, don't you?

524
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:37,100
it go to your head don't worry don't worry i spoke about humbleness don't worry but but it is one of

525
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:41,540
those things you know did you know i want to i want to come did you come back from that stuff

526
00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:44,700
and have any new insights or is that you were too young thinking about it then

527
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:53,520
i think i was too young it makes sense i think i was too young but the last time i fainted

528
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,340
was three years ago, before the ayahuasca ceremony,

529
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,180
we were doing kambok.

530
00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:02,000
Do you know what that is?

531
00:38:02,060 --> 00:38:04,160
Is that the intense one, the DMT?

532
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:06,320
It's the frog thing?

533
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,320
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,440
Back of the frog.

535
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,700
Is it the frog or is it the snake venom thing?

536
00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:14,080
I'm sorry.

537
00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:15,360
How long did it last?

538
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,700
That's a good way to work it out.

539
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,080
A few minutes.

540
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,840
Yeah, that's the DMT one that basically projects you

541
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,320
straight into oblivion and then you come back quite quickly right so that you did they do the

542
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:34,620
three for guys they do the three dots here for me it was on my leg but they did it and it was so

543
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:40,820
painful that i slowly started feeling like i'm losing it and i'm gonna faint i knew i'm gonna

544
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:46,420
faint i always know i'm going to faint so i sat down waiting for it to happen and then i blacked

545
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:52,200
out and they told me later that it was about a minute and a half to two minutes that i was out

546
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,760
and they did not touch me. They did not try to move me or put water on me. They did nothing but

547
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,940
hold the space around me, the shaman and the other guys that were there. And then when I got back,

548
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:13,500
I was like, I fainted, right? I told them and they were like, yes. I said, okay, but I'm okay.

549
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:19,820
And then I think what it did, because you're asking if I ever had an incident in which I

550
00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:27,660
came back and felt something has changed. Something has changed. And I think it cleared out some of my

551
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:38,640
despair or hopelessness about humanity or about the world. Because I went into this whole journey,

552
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:45,620
whole experience with the question of, why do I even need to be here? Because if I have already

553
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:52,500
understood that I am a soul in a human body. I am an eternal soul. I'm always going to be here.

554
00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:59,980
And I am contributing to this thing, to humanity, whether I am here or not here.

555
00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:06,400
And all this evil stuff is happening and people are doing all these horrible things,

556
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,780
especially to children, which was killing me at the time.

557
00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:18,180
why why do I really need to stay why can I not just go and it wouldn't make a difference and I

558
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:24,880
was really despaired and that thing kind of it brought me back not with a new understanding or

559
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:33,400
with a new cognitive thought but with a clear body I think to kind of restart something and

560
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,660
revisit, re-look at life again. And then later on when I did the ayahuasca, it showed me stuff.

561
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:44,800
And I think I was kind of clear and ready to accept. So when you fainted, does that mean you

562
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,640
don't recall the experience at all of taking the drug? I mean, of the effects of the drug,

563
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:54,180
you don't even, you didn't experience that. You just know you brought something back.

564
00:40:54,580 --> 00:41:00,420
Because normally when people take that. When I faint, I am out. I'm not here. It's as if I'm dead.

565
00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:05,460
Right. But you didn't come back during the trip because it lasts about seven or eight minutes, right?

566
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:13,800
Oh, I came back and I was still in it. But the problem is when you faint physically, you feel like a truck just hit you.

567
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:26,400
So you feel really, really heavy, super heavy. And everything is very condensed and contracted.

568
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,320
so I don't know if I had experience maybe that's what combo feels like I don't know

569
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:39,100
but that's what I thought you know Yoni Appleberg yes yes I know he did the same thing and he'll

570
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:46,720
tell you that that gave him a phenomenal experience I've got in fact I interviewed him

571
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:51,400
I interviewed him three days ago and we spoke about it so I'm gonna listen to it I'll point

572
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,760
you in the direction absolutely he really has come back a different person oh wow he did the

573
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,180
for ayahuasca, then, you know, I forget.

574
00:41:59,180 --> 00:41:59,840
Okay, all of them.

575
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:01,780
But anyway, what have you got your computer open for?

576
00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:05,260
Yeah, I've got, yeah, stuff to talk to you about.

577
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:07,660
I mean, some thoughts I've been having around privacy.

578
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,640
And also, I don't know if you wanted to touch on

579
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,960
what I talked about at the conference

580
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,400
was the musical chairs of monetary order.

581
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,100
Which doesn't explain a lot in the title.

582
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,380
The musical chairs of monetary order.

583
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:23,380
Who said it needs to explain?

584
00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:25,860
No, because then I could work out what you're about to talk about.

585
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:27,580
Well, you can just watch it.

586
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:29,640
Well, start where you want.

587
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,620
Privacy is obviously a very important part of what we talk about on this podcast.

588
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,720
And privacy is inherently necessary for freedom as far as I'm concerned.

589
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:38,980
Right.

590
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:47,920
So I've been having thoughts about privacy lately because it's one of the reasons why I'm in Bitcoin.

591
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:51,220
It's one of the reasons why I care about human rights so much.

592
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:58,000
and I feel like the more work I do, the more content I create, the more conversations people

593
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,580
like us have, the more privacy becomes a forbidden concept. It becomes something we talk about that

594
00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:12,620
gradually is leaving the allowed sandbox and it's wild because it's privacy. It's not like we're

595
00:43:12,620 --> 00:43:18,040
talking about chemtrails or geoengineering, right? We're talking about privacy and why is it becoming

596
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:26,780
such a dirty thing to talk about. Why is the concept of you sharing something confidentially

597
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:34,160
with someone else or just with yourself is so controversial? Why are they normalizing the whole

598
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:41,400
concept of no privacy? Why when you tell a normie, I want privacy, they tell you, what do you have to

599
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:47,500
hide? So hold on, dude, did you forget the importance of having a door in the bathroom

600
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:53,860
when you go in? Did you forget why you're writing a journal to yourself? Did you forget why you're

601
00:43:53,860 --> 00:44:00,080
telling someone a secret? This is all around privacy. All these things that we are taking

602
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:06,420
for granted in our lives are ingrained in the principle of privacy. And now when all these

603
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:12,820
wacky states are deciding to put all these laws onto us, which is something we've talked about in

604
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:20,220
our previous interview where we talked about the Agenda 2030 and the crackdown on information,

605
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:26,180
crackdown on freedom of speech and all that stuff. This is all part of the agenda. And now we're on

606
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:31,840
to that stage where the laws are actually being enacted and you can't even say what you want to

607
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:38,400
say on social media or you have to identify your age or who you are. And so if you look at, you

608
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:45,480
know that always makes me go back to the documentation and show everyone that they are actually um

609
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:53,300
violating their own rules or wards and if you go back to 1948 and the universal declaration of human

610
00:44:53,300 --> 00:45:01,700
rights signed at the united nations by most of the countries that are my daughter again she always

611
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:08,420
decide i thought i'd turn this off sorry it's okay um there you go go sorry alex i love you

612
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:13,120
so most of the countries have signed it because it just made sense to them after the second world

613
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:19,160
war to show that they are um humane and and that they respect us and one of the things written

614
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:25,640
there in article 12 is no one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy family

615
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:31,660
home or correspondence sounds good sounds pretty good and i've i've stolen that from kali

616
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:37,940
that have done a whole presentation about privacy now at the Baltic Honey Badger conference.

617
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,220
And it's a beautiful presentation that he has done.

618
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,480
And he's developing freedom tools on Bitcoin, Cashew, for example.

619
00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:52,860
And when we use Bitcoin, governments can't stop transactions.

620
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,800
And that's something that is pretty...

621
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,960
I mean, everyone knows that.

622
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,620
Every Bitcoiner knows that.

623
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:01,220
Most normies don't know that.

624
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:07,520
And that's why they're so afraid of Bitcoin, because they think that it can be co-opted, it can be hijacked, it can be controlled.

625
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:14,780
Yes, it has its challenges and shortcomings, but it is very hard to stop transactions once they have occurred on the blockchain.

626
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:25,240
And in order for you to stop something that has now been put onto the blockchain, you have to work really hard to try and stop that.

627
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:40,820
It's like almost impossible to take it back because once the nodes have validated it and there is another block on top of it and another block and another block, it becomes impossible to take down that tower that has been built on top of it.

628
00:46:40,820 --> 00:47:03,060
And in any other form of money today the ability to stop you is so simple and it gets easier by the day especially with CBDCs soon coming into our lives And so if you only compare those two things the fact that with Bitcoin you can really stop and

629
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:09,040
with any other form of money, you have to make a big effort, then it already gives Bitcoin a big

630
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:16,980
advantage because the fact that this is your own private business, you decided to do it,

631
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:22,760
you don't need permission, you launched it out there, people don't have to know who it went to,

632
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:27,380
it is private in that sense, unless you are identified with a KYC, blah, blah, blah.

633
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:33,500
Still, it's going to take a huge amount of effort for whoever wants to stop you to stop you,

634
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:40,000
and it's going to take a big amount of effort to know who you sent it to and why, etc. Whereas in

635
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:48,140
today's world fiat world those things are super easy so the whole paradigm shift of preserving

636
00:47:48,140 --> 00:47:55,580
some kind of power sovereignty and privacy in on the blockchain on the bitcoin blockchain is

637
00:47:55,580 --> 00:48:02,560
super easy to understand and the whole the whole paradigm shift of you are guilty till proven

638
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:09,820
innocent that is today's normal life instead of you are innocent until proven guilty is something

639
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:15,420
that we have to stop and think about because this is happening and we're not paying attention

640
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:22,640
for that happening. The other thing is once you start using Bitcoin, start using the blockchain,

641
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:31,540
it shifts once again more power to you because you can then launch transactions in a permissionless

642
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:38,300
way. And for them to stop you, they have to put a lot of effort. And so you're giving them the

643
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:44,120
hard work rather than, you know, you have the easy work. You just have to do it. They now have

644
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:50,740
to do a lot of stuff to try and stop you. Even if they arrest you and try to confiscate and threaten

645
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:57,100
you and coerce you to give them your seed, all that takes a huge amount of effort that they have

646
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:03,680
to do. It's on their side. And as the saying goes, they cannot arrest us all. They cannot enforce

647
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:10,560
this on all of us. This is going to be super hard to do on the Bitcoin standard. The other thing is,

648
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:20,660
if you look in the physical analog age, it used to be that privacy was expensive to violate. You

649
00:49:20,660 --> 00:49:27,500
had to go spy over someone. You had to intrude their privacy in order to spy on them. You had

650
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:34,300
to install some equipment. In the digital age, it becomes so much easier and faster to violate your

651
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:41,220
privacy. There are technologies to do that, and they are becoming more sophisticated and more

652
00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:48,420
cheap as we go. AI is now spying on everything, on everyone all the time. So violating your privacy

653
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:53,560
in a digital age is super easy. Now, encryption, when you encrypt your communication or you're

654
00:49:53,560 --> 00:50:00,700
encrypting your transactions, your financial transaction, you are reintroducing the equivalence

655
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:07,920
of doors and walls and curtains in a digital world. So you're putting back again another layer,

656
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:15,600
another buffer there between you and anyone else that wants to violate your privacy. And that alone

657
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:21,480
is, and I'm not even talking about those wonderful privacy tools that all these great hackers and

658
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:28,240
devs are developing. I'm talking about just the simple fact of you using an app like Signal to

659
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:35,300
communicate or you using Bitcoin to transfer money or even Lightning that is even more private than

660
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:41,600
the blockchain, than on-chain transactions and obviously cashew etc etc. So it's just

661
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:49,160
it's really easy to reclaim back sovereignty and privacy just by virtue of using those tools

662
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:58,420
today. And so, yeah, basically, I mean, those were the two points I wanted to make about privacy.

663
00:50:58,420 --> 00:51:07,920
I think we are trying to go, I mean, not trying, but sometimes we go very far to how can we

664
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:15,080
reinstate privacy and sovereignty in the digital age. And it starts with very simple things,

665
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,440
as in introduce encryption back into your life, your digital life.

666
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:23,400
And you've already created those curtains and doors and windows

667
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,240
that are there to protect you.

668
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,960
I agree with you.

669
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:33,240
I mean, I would say the arc of understanding that I've been on

670
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,520
over the last few years has always been about that.

671
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,860
I just didn't know it at the start.

672
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:39,520
It's the end point.

673
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,520
And I mean, every single person I've interviewed here

674
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,960
has talked about that in a different way.

675
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:54,340
or in a from either a very simple these are the tools to use way or from the ideas behind it and

676
00:51:54,340 --> 00:52:02,560
why either why privacy is important and why privacy why the bad guys let's call them are

677
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:10,280
trying to remove it which is very fascinating because what that's you'll be pleased to know

678
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,580
that is my daughter contacting me on signal but it's done it again i've just turned off my phone

679
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:20,120
and it's still working there's maybe she's got really something important to tell you maybe she

680
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:27,300
hasn't she hasn't she um she basically is sending me videos of her riding her horse almost certainly

681
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:33,540
that is reading print pretty important yeah but it's not because they're like well no it is

682
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:37,140
and here's an interesting while we're on the subject because last night my wife's here but

683
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:44,480
she's out in a sauna at the moment and we always get videos when we're away my daughter set up a

684
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:50,760
her phone on inside the field ship you know a field a horse field shelter it's like a place

685
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:57,100
where the horse's shelter out on the field and videoed herself for about 35 minutes basically

686
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:01,980
riding around and around tacking up putting the stuff on the horse and me and my wife we were

687
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:06,900
lying in bed last night watching it like this and i really and i said to her i'd never do this in

688
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:11,460
real life like sometimes i do sit at the top of the field and watch her ride but i would never

689
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:18,180
watch her so much as soon as i'm looking through a screen i'm like mesmerized by this and she went

690
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:22,180
off the screen for a while and we were both like hanging on the and then she popped back in again

691
00:53:22,180 --> 00:53:26,980
like right in the distance and we were laughing about it that how interesting it is that you watch

692
00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:33,380
intensely when it's over there and it's on the screen but in real life it's boring sometimes you

693
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:38,400
know i don't know what that well it has to do with the blue light coming out of the screen too

694
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,620
It is pushing you, pulling you, sorry, to stay alert to it.

695
00:53:44,380 --> 00:53:46,020
It's messing up with our brain.

696
00:53:46,180 --> 00:53:46,400
Okay.

697
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,340
Fortunately, I spoke to Princey all about that for ages.

698
00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:58,800
Going back to they, them, the people we all know, they don't want you to have privacy.

699
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:59,440
Right.

700
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Have you ever, I mean, I've got my own answers to this, but what do you think is that?

701
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:13,100
What's driving this requirement of a certain group of the world trying to normalize?

702
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:18,140
In my case, I think one of the ways they're using is guilt over privacy, like you said.

703
00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:20,260
But why is that happening?

704
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,400
Because I grew up in a private world.

705
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,960
First time I ever used Facebook, I was telling someone earlier today, it was weird.

706
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:32,880
I was like, oh, this is really intense.

707
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,300
It's like, what am I telling everyone?

708
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,820
It's all connected to, everything is connected to everything.

709
00:54:37,820 --> 00:54:45,860
So I think that it's happening because the end goal is to have full control over humanity.

710
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:53,880
In someone's sick brain, in someone's dystopian sick brain, they actually think that this is possible.

711
00:54:54,740 --> 00:54:58,300
Naturally, if you're looking at nature, it is not possible.

712
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:02,380
They will never be able to control everyone, everything.

713
00:55:02,380 --> 00:55:11,400
how the universe works. But they think that some crazy, tiny percentage of those psychopathic,

714
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:17,240
you know, elite class that is up there thinking that they're smarter than us,

715
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:22,660
making decisions for us on how we're going to live our lives, they are pretty convinced that

716
00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:28,960
they can control everyone. And the reason they need to control it is because of the underlying

717
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:34,220
fabric of humanity, which is fiat, they need to create some kind of structure and order

718
00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:40,840
to the world that they'll be able to manipulate and navigate in a way that they think is right.

719
00:55:41,980 --> 00:55:49,380
Now, I think that they believe in eugenics and that they want to kind of rearrange the number of

720
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:57,600
souls on this planet and where those souls are organized and how and to which extent

721
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:05,720
those souls are operating in a way that is complying with how they think that we should be behaving and complying.

722
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:25,560
And so it all interwoven but basically they need a metrics system that will create a certain structure a certain order And in order to make that work they need to control how we are behaving in our lives how we are communicating

723
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:31,420
And if we are communicating secretively and confidentially, and they don't know what we

724
00:56:31,420 --> 00:56:36,580
think about and what we organize without them, then they don't have control over it. So they

725
00:56:36,580 --> 00:56:42,000
have to make everything visible. They have to make everything exposed so they can be aware of it,

726
00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:50,300
so that they can control it. And if they can control it, then they can influence what kind

727
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:56,920
of narratives, what kind of thoughts the collective has. Just like Bernays said when was it the

728
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,620
beginning of the 1900s with his book Propaganda, we know better than these people. We have to

729
00:57:02,620 --> 00:57:11,440
control how they think. So we are going to dictate some narratives and those narratives

730
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:17,220
will help us organize society. That's what they need to organize society in a certain way.

731
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,060
And they need to maybe on the way depopulate a little bit because we're now too big,

732
00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:26,960
too many of us, and some of us are also not functioning very well. Too many of us are waking

733
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,540
up and we cannot be controlled. So because we're waking up, we need to also be suppressed,

734
00:57:31,540 --> 00:57:37,900
silenced, you know, maybe push us out of this smart city into the rural area where we'll make

735
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:44,680
less problems for them. Like there is a lot of stuff that is happening and they are trying to

736
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:51,040
juggle a million balls in the air because it is chaotic. It's becoming more and more chaotic

737
00:57:51,040 --> 00:58:02,980
because the attempt to control society, humanity, human lives, the natural force of life is

738
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:10,220
inherently insane. It is impossible to control nature. And they are trying to control nature.

739
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:16,380
And what I do in my presentations, in my public speaking, is just try to show what they're doing.

740
00:58:16,380 --> 00:58:20,060
because I believe that by me putting all those receipts out there,

741
00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:24,660
showing those short video clips of them talking their nonsense plans

742
00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:27,720
and of them trying to control the way we behave

743
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,640
and what we do with our money and what we do with our speech

744
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,620
is just so ridiculous.

745
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:36,180
Then even a normie seeing that going,

746
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,260
oh, that's a little bit too much, isn't it?

747
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,040
They go a little bit too far.

748
00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:43,600
They're self-sabotaging.

749
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:44,840
You don't live in the UK.

750
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:45,880
You'd be surprised.

751
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,520
I know that many people don't see it.

752
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:48,860
I know.

753
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:49,500
Speaking of the UK.

754
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:50,840
But I know.

755
00:58:51,020 --> 00:58:52,660
But the thing is, this is my role.

756
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:58,160
I need to do this and put it out there so that the ones that are primed to pay attention will pay attention.

757
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,520
And I know it's not everyone.

758
00:59:00,340 --> 00:59:07,880
It's undeniable now that you just need to take a look at the UK.

759
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Something you spoke about a long time ago, and some people have been speaking about since the 80s,

760
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:20,160
since the internet was even really a thing is a time will come when you will have no privacy on

761
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:27,000
the internet yeah that time is pretty much here yeah we're living it's here i saw on the bbc

762
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:35,400
even news this morning that wikipedia is now battling the courts in the uk to not be classed

763
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:42,280
as a website that you need to show your credit card to get onto right and obviously this is

764
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:49,460
another step in this in this stage it is three years ago two years ago i've read the suggestion

765
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:56,660
of the bill that that was being written at the time by the democracy institute in israel they're

766
00:59:56,660 --> 01:00:04,700
so democratic about regulating the internet and that suggestion to like that that advice that they

767
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:10,380
gave to the regulator was the same kind of advice that any regulator around the world was given by

768
01:00:10,380 --> 01:00:15,700
an expert in democracy and free speech. And basically, they were categorizing websites

769
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:23,780
according to size, built on traffic and engagement rates and different types of metrics. And they

770
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:29,000
were saying the ones that are the largest, like the biggest platforms, social media platforms,

771
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:34,720
Wikipedia type of websites, they're the ones that have to be regulated fully. And then the second

772
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,680
tier will be semi-regulated. And then the smallest ones, we're not going to bother with them because

773
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:45,660
it's going to be too much of an overhead to try and enforce anything on them. So the moment you

774
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:53,040
get big, you are in their net. They have to enforce and regulate you. It's about size.

775
01:00:54,060 --> 01:01:03,200
And the reason why it's like that is because they know that that's where we go, that's where we opt

776
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:08,500
out. We as in the minority that understand what's going on and is in tuned with this,

777
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:15,220
is opting out and using other tools like Noster, etc. But most of society, the numbers are there,

778
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:21,880
they are flocking into the mainstream, large websites, and that's where they want to capture

779
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,620
them. And that's what they want to control. So it's no coincidence that they would not bother

780
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:31,980
with a Noster or with any other. I mean, Noster is a protocol, so they can't. But you know what I

781
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:37,260
mean, they will not bother with the small ones. So and they know what they're doing. They're

782
01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:41,660
designing it for a reason in that way and today with ai everything is automated and it's becoming

783
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:46,520
even easier to control and to just do that automatically they don't even need anyone to

784
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:52,300
actually look at websites and decide which is a big one or a small one everything is automated

785
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:57,580
yeah but that's the that's the thing i worry about because that is a new part of the equation ai

786
01:01:57,580 --> 01:02:06,240
will trend all that stuff to zero in cheat in cost pretty much yeah so i mean it's a it's a

787
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:13,700
big thing to think about i mean it really is that that ai will be the thing that that encaptures you

788
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:19,040
in the end because and it will also be the thing that will save you if you decide to use it to

789
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:24,320
develop freedom tech go on then yeah i mean i'm not the one to talk about you had all these smart

790
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,980
guys here i know but all right you know white noise they are developing private uh private

791
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:36,420
messaging on top of Noster. It's a tough cookie to crack, but they're trying to do it. And if we

792
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:43,600
have that on a completely decentralized protocol that cannot be stopped and you can have private

793
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:48,940
messaging on it, game over. Beautiful. Well, in one sense. I mean, game over. If they have good

794
01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:55,000
marketing, it's game over. No, but I mean, this is what I worry about. And you can see this already

795
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,540
in Bitcoin. You can see this potentially in all the other things that we're talking about.

796
01:02:59,540 --> 01:03:03,200
is if you're privacy conscious, that's great.

797
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:06,440
But if you're in a minority of privacy conscious people,

798
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,880
you're not private because you stand out like a sore thumb.

799
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,420
You're the person not being private.

800
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:12,920
You're the person, sorry, being private.

801
01:03:13,420 --> 01:03:14,600
So people can see you.

802
01:03:15,220 --> 01:03:16,860
What do you mean people can see you?

803
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:18,600
If you're being private, they can see you?

804
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:19,820
Yeah, if you are like...

805
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:22,040
Or if you're calling out to be private.

806
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,880
No, no, if you're actually being private.

807
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:24,560
I'll give you an example.

808
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,360
A VPN makes you private.

809
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,280
You can detect a VPN.

810
01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:32,600
If everyone uses a VPN in the world, it's great.

811
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,840
But if only the private people use it, 20%, 10%, right, here we are.

812
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,320
Let's attack that 20% of people, right?

813
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,660
Problem number one is you stand out if you're looking for privacy.

814
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,040
Problem number two, something like Bitcoin.

815
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,680
Sure, Bitcoin, I can spend Bitcoin with you.

816
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,940
Nothing you can do about it.

817
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,480
But what can I buy with Bitcoin without giving away my details?

818
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,040
Can I buy a car?

819
01:03:58,780 --> 01:04:02,520
Yeah, I'd have to find someone that wanted to sell me a car.

820
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,940
If you were in a country where they wanted to sell me a car,

821
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,300
did they have to declare, who's the new owner?

822
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:09,580
How did they pay me?

823
01:04:10,580 --> 01:04:15,000
There will always be things that you will not be able to consume

824
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,420
or purchase without identifying yourself.

825
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,440
But you can always convert peer-to-peer to the local fiat currency and use it.

826
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:28,400
Yes, but when you do that, you're identifying yourself.

827
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,360
Not necessarily. If you're doing it peer-to-peer, you don't have to be.

828
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,240
Okay, but there's a law. Efrat, be realistic, right?

829
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,680
There's a law that everything you do has to be KYC'd.

830
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:43,440
There's a law in your country that states that if you want to drive a car, you need a license.

831
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,040
If you want the license, you have to do this.

832
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,560
In the case of a car, as I said, you'll have to comply if that's what you want.

833
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,000
If you want a car in that country, you'll have to comply.

834
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:58,280
house yeah so you'll have to comply right or you move to another country that doesn't ask you to do

835
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:04,760
that dude i can't change reality this is reality but the question is what are you going to do about

836
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:10,540
it that's what i told you before that's the point where i feel like people misunderstand

837
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:19,680
what we're here to do life is going to be full of intersections like this from that from this

838
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,420
moment onwards for the next at least five years, at least maybe even a decade or two.

839
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:31,260
Those intersections in which you stand and you go, oh, I'm fucked. This is how I have to operate if I

840
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:46,400
want to live a normal life or a life that is less risky or a life that is more normal like everyone else And if I want to do what I want to do I have to take a bigger risk or I have to not comply

841
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:52,560
or I have to think outside the box or I have to be very creative and go actively look for

842
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,000
solutions that are not offered to me on a regular basis.

843
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:59,140
You are going to find those situations more and more.

844
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:02,460
The question is not how do I deal with the situations?

845
01:06:02,620 --> 01:06:17,000
The question is how do I spend my time effectively right now to go and educate myself on what exists so that I can be prepared for the next five to 10 years with the best solutions at hand?

846
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:18,740
And people don't do that.

847
01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:22,200
Instead, they stop here and they go, oh, I'm fucked and Bitcoin is hijacked.

848
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:23,620
It's like, come on.

849
01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:25,660
There is always a way.

850
01:06:25,660 --> 01:06:28,900
The question is how much are you willing to educate yourself?

851
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:34,920
And how much are you willing to take a risk or compromise, compromise ease and convenience

852
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:40,300
and, you know, and normality in order to be a little bit different or to have different

853
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:42,300
kinds of conversations with people?

854
01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:49,740
We are pushed to the corner right now and we have to rediscover how we find solutions

855
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:51,660
in a pretty tricky time.

856
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:53,420
That's the time we're in.

857
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:54,320
Tough luck.

858
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:55,380
Now what?

859
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:57,000
Do you want to bitch about it?

860
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,200
Do you want to take a black pill or do you want to find some solutions?

861
01:07:00,820 --> 01:07:01,500
Deal with it.

862
01:07:01,580 --> 01:07:03,100
Yes, CBDCs are coming.

863
01:07:03,580 --> 01:07:09,300
Yes, Tether may be helping some bad things to happen, but they're also doing some good things.

864
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,720
Yes, it's all correct.

865
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:12,820
Now what?

866
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:14,200
Where do you go?

867
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:17,700
I think I love what you're saying, of course.

868
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:24,700
I find, though, and I always want to, I want other people to know what you've just said.

869
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:30,860
but i think when you track back to the heart of what you're talking about you basically is the

870
01:07:30,860 --> 01:07:37,640
realization that the state is the enemy yeah right but that is a long way to go for most people

871
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:42,360
long way especially in my country maybe in a country where you're feeling where you're bumping

872
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:48,020
up against the state in my country too right that's a big that's a big ask of people because

873
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:54,840
it's such a fundamentally held belief that this is how society works.

874
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,080
I'm not asking that of everyone.

875
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,640
As I said, I'm putting my stuff out there.

876
01:07:59,740 --> 01:08:01,680
The ones that are primed will pick it up.

877
01:08:02,580 --> 01:08:06,840
We will be on the same wavelength and frequency in our radio stations

878
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:07,920
and they will pick it up.

879
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,340
The ones that cannot hear me, the ones that I trigger,

880
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,760
the ones that hate me, the ones that write all these horrible comments to me

881
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:23,180
on my whatever YouTube channel or Twitter. It's like, be my guest. I'm so used to that shit and

882
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:28,000
I don't give a fuck anymore. I'm not talking to you. If you're triggered by what I say,

883
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:37,980
if I rug pull you because you hold a worldview that is so reliant on your national identity or

884
01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:43,180
political identity or religious identity or whatever other type of identity that you have,

885
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:50,200
then I'm sorry you don't have a strong enough center to believe in who you are in yourself and

886
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,780
trust that you are an eternal soul and you're protected and loved by the universe and you are

887
01:08:54,780 --> 01:08:59,940
here and you're going to fulfill on your mission here you are being shaken by what I'm saying

888
01:08:59,940 --> 01:09:06,360
that's your problem it's fine we don't have to talk you can take your thing and do it elsewhere

889
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:12,700
and go open the mainstream tv or radio and listen to them instead don't listen to me I'm not for you

890
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:38,300
I'm not for everyone. I understand that. I acknowledge that and that's okay. But I am fully in my role, in my purpose, in my mission. This is what I'm here to do. And I'm talking to the ones that can, need and should hear that information right now. And that they understand that the state is not their friend. And that they can acknowledge that if the state is against them, it's not the end of the world.

891
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:46,160
something i've noticed recently and it's anecdotal but i suspect it's true is i'm really

892
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:54,640
interested to hear your take on it israel is in the public sphere is getting vilified again right

893
01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:01,560
and it appears to be you know people say oh if you were alive in nazi germany you probably would

894
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:07,620
have been a nazi and people go no i wouldn't no one and it's almost like that same meme is playing

895
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:12,680
out again and you're being offered a chance to choose whether you actually would be.

896
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:18,280
Because if you go online now, you see that that is happening.

897
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:23,900
It seems to be happening again, that you could, if you wanted, give in to this idea,

898
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,500
yeah, they're doing this, they're doing that, which is obviously what happened in Germany,

899
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:29,600
what happened in blah, blah, blah.

900
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,480
Now, what's your take on that?

901
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:31,980
You're an Israeli.

902
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:33,720
Is it a truth in that?

903
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:34,760
Is it a lie?

904
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:35,640
Is it real?

905
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,500
Are the Israelis bad?

906
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:50,260
So here's the thing. If I answer your question right now in the way you framed it, I'm fucked because you just gave a parallel to Nazi Germany.

907
01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:51,420
Well, do you know what I mean, though?

908
01:10:51,420 --> 01:11:04,660
I am not saying you're not right in terms of the behavioral and psychological, sociological trajectories that have taken place during that decade that have led to the rise of the Nazism.

909
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:05,840
I'm not saying you're wrong.

910
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:16,120
I'm just saying that that is so explosive and sensitive for an Israeli audience to hear, or even Jewish people that will listen to this, to hear that parallel.

911
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:30,960
And I believe that that parallel was even true during COVID when you saw people rising against their own brothers and sisters and family members and neighbors because they were afraid of their own well-being.

912
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:38,920
And so they were willing to sacrifice them and dub them in or whatever, yell at them, try to coerce them, etc., etc.

913
01:11:38,920 --> 01:12:05,060
So that's the same type of behavioral pattern and it's the same type of road to totalitarianism that we see over and over again. And all it takes is to create such a shock, a shocking event or an emergency or a crisis of some sort for people to believe that, oh, because it's so extreme right now, we have to justify an extreme measure.

914
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:16,720
And that logical fallacy exists in order to justify for people the way they will behave the next day.

915
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:23,620
and people in Israel on the most part I'm sorry for everyone who I am now triggering with what

916
01:12:23,620 --> 01:12:31,200
I'm about to say are propagandized and brainwashed mindwashed to completely not only accept what the

917
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:38,960
state is doing but to actually demand the state to go even harder to go and you know kill another

918
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:46,260
tribe and take over their land and and continue what they're doing no just a little bit more and

919
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:51,560
then we wipe them out completely and then we hold back on our fortress and take back,

920
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,700
reclaim back what's ours, what always have been ours and have been promised to us in

921
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:57,820
this book by this God.

922
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:02,620
So it's a very tough situation to be in.

923
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:13,800
When you're there, you are not really feeling the salami tactic of the brainwashing.

924
01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:14,420
The what?

925
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:35,860
Yeah, we call it in Israel the salami tactic because it's like you slice another piece of the salami. So gradually you inject another narrative that will justify something. And then on top of that, you build another thing and another thing. It's just a gradual way of building propaganda, really. And that's working, unfortunately. It's working in Israel.

926
01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:47,620
However, having said that, there is a large chunk of the population in Israel that is resisting the war, that is resisting the current government, the current regime.

927
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:56,840
And that also acknowledges that some members of the government are completely crazy fundamentalists, extremists, and they are.

928
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:05,500
In fact, some of them were outlawed a few years ago and Benjamin Netanyahu brought them back in order to raise their electoral power.

929
01:14:05,860 --> 01:14:20,520
So they're completely nuts. And they're in power. And they're in power and in charge of the security in Israel and in charge of finance in Israel. So they're really extreme figures. And they're in power and many people are resisting it.

930
01:14:21,340 --> 01:14:26,900
However, even though there is a big group of people that is resisting what's happening,

931
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,900
I mean, they're vocally against what's happening,

932
01:14:30,580 --> 01:14:41,260
they are not understanding that the whole political sphere is a scam and a joke and completely corrupt.

933
01:14:41,260 --> 01:14:46,580
And they are still calling for another politician to come and replace that one.

934
01:14:46,580 --> 01:14:52,260
And while they're all corrupt, the left and wing are all super like into this.

935
01:14:52,820 --> 01:14:58,360
So there is no real immediate solution to what is happening right now in Israel.

936
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:59,980
I do think that if.

937
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,600
Netanyahu goes home, it's better for everyone.

938
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:08,820
But what will come after will probably not be so much better.

939
01:15:10,100 --> 01:15:12,020
Not right now, anyway.

940
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:16,800
Most people are not aware inside of Israel.

941
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,960
They're not aware of how the world sees them and Israel.

942
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:24,320
And they are not aware of what's happening in Gaza.

943
01:15:24,980 --> 01:15:28,000
Because the media has a blackout over it.

944
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,660
Yeah, they don't know.

945
01:15:29,660 --> 01:15:35,900
they see some things and they are aware of a fraction of it, but not the whole picture.

946
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:43,960
And they obviously are not aware to very different opinions so that they can exercise some critical

947
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:49,000
thinking and make their own minds. They are being fed with what to think on the most part.

948
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:54,380
There is a little bit of room to navigate inside that sandbox, but not much. And if you're completely

949
01:15:54,380 --> 01:16:00,120
out of it and you're looking at things from a zoomed out perspective from space, you clearly

950
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:05,620
see what's going on, but you have a lot of compassion to the person that is inside of

951
01:16:05,620 --> 01:16:07,000
Israel because they have no clue.

952
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,820
You know, forgive them for they do not know.

953
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,580
Have you, do you think you've left there for a long time?

954
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:14,640
I know you're out on the road at the moment.

955
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,220
I've been out for three months now.

956
01:16:16,460 --> 01:16:22,500
I'm going to visit twice in the next six months, but I am out for now.

957
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:24,660
I don't know where I'm going to live next.

958
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,640
And right now I'm nomading and I'm happy about it.

959
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:34,520
But I just know that my patience to be physically in Israel has maxed out.

960
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,780
I don't want to be there anymore.

961
01:16:36,940 --> 01:16:38,440
Right now it's very hard.

962
01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:40,220
The energies are very dense.

963
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:42,700
People are super propagandized.

964
01:16:42,780 --> 01:16:45,960
And it's very hard to even find people to talk to.

965
01:16:46,220 --> 01:16:47,200
It's very hard.

966
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:54,540
And plus, all they do most of the time is talk about that stuff that is happening there.

967
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,120
So it's very hard to open yourself up to other things that are happening.

968
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,520
And so, I don't know.

969
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:08,620
And I just feel like I have the privilege because I've been preparing myself for this time for a few years now.

970
01:17:08,620 --> 01:17:20,040
So I have the privilege of taking my own bank with me and taking my suitcase with me and just living an international life for now until I decide where I want to settle down.

971
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:25,820
How do you find that? Because, you know, we've talked deeply about digital nomadism on this podcast.

972
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:38,300
Is it opening your eyes to things? Because normally when you do it in real life, suddenly you start noticing all the things you hadn't taken into account when you were dreaming about it or when you were thinking about it.

973
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:42,080
And suddenly now it's real. Is it a viable way to live, do you think?

974
01:17:42,820 --> 01:17:45,320
It's a viable way to live, for sure.

975
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:54,160
The question is whether you have the stamina for it, because it takes a lot of strength to withhold it for a long period of time.

976
01:17:55,160 --> 01:18:08,960
I think, obviously, it made me retrospect and reflect over the very basic principles of life, such as building a community and needing social bond and connection with people.

977
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,100
and what is the role of friends?

978
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,260
What is the role of love in your life?

979
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,880
What is home?

980
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:18,200
What do you call home?

981
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,900
Like all these big philosophical questions

982
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:22,360
which we take for granted

983
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:23,920
because we live in a place,

984
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,240
we have home, we have love,

985
01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:26,980
we have all these things around us

986
01:18:26,980 --> 01:18:28,540
and we don't question them.

987
01:18:29,020 --> 01:18:30,020
And so I've been traveling,

988
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,680
just pondering over these principles

989
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:37,500
and discovering that a lot of the answers are within.

990
01:18:37,500 --> 01:18:42,920
you know it's going to sound like a cliche because most people say that you know it starts inwards

991
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:50,420
and and you have if you have love within you have love everywhere but it's so true and if you have a

992
01:18:50,420 --> 01:18:56,440
home in yourself you have a home everywhere and funnily enough that's what I've been experiencing

993
01:18:56,440 --> 01:19:03,900
everywhere I've been going every place I've got to all I experienced was a warm welcome and

994
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:09,340
and love and affection and inclusiveness and community.

995
01:19:10,380 --> 01:19:17,840
And it's not like my national and religion titles are going to give that to me right now.

996
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,680
Not the fact that I'm Jewish, not the fact that I'm Israeli are supposed to open doors for me these days,

997
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:24,960
but people don't care.

998
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:31,480
And that's why whenever I'm speaking to someone from home, like Israel home,

999
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:55,534
and they tell me oh but aren you experiencing anti or any you know critical voices to Jewish people Israelis in specific and aren people talking to you all the time about the war and about what Israel is doing And no I mean the curious I answer questions but it never is a

1000
01:19:55,534 --> 01:20:04,734
hurdle for me. And I never feel hate or, yeah, resisted. I mean, except for online,

1001
01:20:04,734 --> 01:20:11,094
from time like online people are very mean but in real life I don't experience any of that and

1002
01:20:11,094 --> 01:20:16,514
from time to time yeah I see some protests for free Palestine and all that it's kind of becoming

1003
01:20:16,514 --> 01:20:25,094
like a normal thing now um but it doesn't make me afraid or I'm not fear I'm not walking around

1004
01:20:25,094 --> 01:20:31,934
in the world thinking that someone's out to hurt me or to take me down and I also I'm not afraid

1005
01:20:31,934 --> 01:20:39,914
of death. So if I die, I die. It's not a big deal. But it's been a very cool experience to nomad

1006
01:20:39,914 --> 01:20:45,514
because I'm 45 years old and I feel like I'm doing what I haven't done when I was 20.

1007
01:20:46,514 --> 01:20:56,614
And it develops large quantities of courage within me. And it develops,

1008
01:20:56,614 --> 01:21:04,294
it kind of makes me a better person I think it makes me a better listener a better

1009
01:21:04,294 --> 01:21:10,334
I don't know if there's a word for it but someone who senses the environment very well

1010
01:21:10,334 --> 01:21:18,354
I'm I've got very good intuition and I sense things and people and situations and not in a

1011
01:21:18,354 --> 01:21:26,394
not in an anxious way, but in a very alert kind of way. So I'm very in tuned with where I am,

1012
01:21:26,554 --> 01:21:33,394
what's going on, who, and it's very easy for me to find my way in a new place again and get used

1013
01:21:33,394 --> 01:21:39,334
to stuff very quickly. So I think it's a really great muscle to develop to do this at least once

1014
01:21:39,334 --> 01:21:46,074
in your life. And maybe even talking about community and the state of the world and moving

1015
01:21:46,074 --> 01:21:52,514
forward, you could argue that the communities that we are creating are decentralized and

1016
01:21:52,514 --> 01:21:58,874
actually are parallel. You can't just create a community necessarily in this world and expect

1017
01:21:58,874 --> 01:22:06,614
to be left alone. You can create a parallel existence and actually walk through the cracks

1018
01:22:06,614 --> 01:22:11,354
in the other system. And I think, I mean, I'm in two minds. I like both. Like we're trying to

1019
01:22:11,354 --> 01:22:18,254
create forces with protection yes but but sometimes you have to acknowledge also that most people are

1020
01:22:18,254 --> 01:22:23,834
not in that situation yeah and actually you need to live between the cracks in the in the in the

1021
01:22:23,834 --> 01:22:28,754
paving stones in order to live a successful life and i think that's what a lot of these tools are

1022
01:22:28,754 --> 01:22:33,874
for i think the the particularly the digital tools we're talking about they help you do that in a

1023
01:22:33,874 --> 01:22:40,614
massive way and um you know that because you live in an alternative network of people just like i do

1024
01:22:40,614 --> 01:22:41,614
It's different.

1025
01:22:41,614 --> 01:22:44,434
It's a world that most people don't know anything about.

1026
01:22:44,434 --> 01:22:45,434
It's funny.

1027
01:22:45,434 --> 01:22:46,434
Honestly.

1028
01:22:46,434 --> 01:22:48,114
And it's incredible.

1029
01:22:48,114 --> 01:22:51,294
It's like a hack no one discovered yet.

1030
01:22:51,294 --> 01:22:55,574
Like this Bitcoin community around the world is the most amazing community of people that

1031
01:22:55,574 --> 01:22:56,574
I've ever met.

1032
01:22:56,574 --> 01:23:00,294
And obviously it's very different from one place to another, but what connects everyone

1033
01:23:00,294 --> 01:23:08,614
is the passion and drive for freedom and sovereignty and the respect for people's existence and

1034
01:23:08,614 --> 01:23:13,574
people's private property and private need. It's really beautiful.

1035
01:23:13,574 --> 01:23:14,574
Do you know what it is?

1036
01:23:14,574 --> 01:23:18,314
And I've been hosted in the most amazing places.

1037
01:23:18,314 --> 01:23:19,774
It's the freedom community actually.

1038
01:23:19,774 --> 01:23:20,774
It is.

1039
01:23:20,774 --> 01:23:26,414
But it's just that Bitcoin's, I think, the first time we've had a tool that works for

1040
01:23:26,414 --> 01:23:32,914
kind of libertarianism, for freedom. It actually works. When you had the ideas before, it doesn't

1041
01:23:32,914 --> 01:23:33,914
really work.

1042
01:23:33,914 --> 01:23:34,914
Yeah.

1043
01:23:34,914 --> 01:23:38,614
But Bitcoin really is a tool that works.

1044
01:23:38,954 --> 01:23:40,894
And so it's not really the Bitcoin community.

1045
01:23:41,134 --> 01:23:48,594
It's just the liberty, freedom community who acknowledge this is the best tool to use now.

1046
01:23:49,254 --> 01:23:51,254
And it's really, I agree with you.

1047
01:23:51,254 --> 01:24:04,894
I think the main difference between people who quote unquote categorize themselves inside a freedom community versus people who say I'm in the Bitcoin community is that those that are saying I'm in the Bitcoin community.

1048
01:24:04,914 --> 01:24:09,974
community and they're not the NGU, the number go up people, they're freedom oriented people.

1049
01:24:10,574 --> 01:24:16,474
They're the ones that have been willing to be curious enough, humble enough and put their ego

1050
01:24:16,474 --> 01:24:21,654
aside and say there's something new here that I can learn from, that I can develop myself into.

1051
01:24:21,654 --> 01:24:37,868
And the ones that are still quote unquote stuck in the freedom community only and haven taken the step forward into Bitcoin is because their ego is in the way That what I think And I met a lot of those people over my traveling the last two years

1052
01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:43,148
especially the last three months. Some people that you and I both know, and they're really

1053
01:24:43,148 --> 01:24:49,428
well known in the freedom community that they are so primed to get Bitcoin because they're

1054
01:24:49,428 --> 01:24:56,328
freedom lovers in their veins, like they're in their cellular existence, they're freedom oriented.

1055
01:24:56,608 --> 01:25:01,648
And then I talk to them about Bitcoin. No, no, no, let me rephrase it. They talk to me about

1056
01:25:01,648 --> 01:25:05,948
Bitcoin because they are curious. I don't want to talk to them about Bitcoin, swear to God,

1057
01:25:06,248 --> 01:25:10,208
because I know they're going to give me all the normal FUD and all that stuff.

1058
01:25:10,208 --> 01:25:16,588
But they start talking to me about it, questioning me. I answer them and I see the wall that they are

1059
01:25:16,588 --> 01:25:22,528
banging themselves against, which is the wall of ego. And I'm like, dude, you're good. You're

1060
01:25:22,528 --> 01:25:28,848
getting it. All you need to do is just say, it's fine that I didn't buy it before. I can still do

1061
01:25:28,848 --> 01:25:33,708
it now. It doesn't make me a lesser person. It doesn't make me an idiot. It doesn't make me

1062
01:25:33,708 --> 01:25:43,168
anything. I can just join the game. And there's no let go of ego. And there's not let go of pride

1063
01:25:43,168 --> 01:25:49,048
by doing that. You're still the same smart person you were before. Now you only just have Bitcoin.

1064
01:25:49,168 --> 01:25:53,188
That's the only difference. And they're not letting go. They're like, hang on this tree,

1065
01:25:53,248 --> 01:25:57,008
and they don't want to let go. No, no, no, but Roger Ver says it's hijacked. No,

1066
01:25:57,088 --> 01:26:03,188
the government can control it. I'm like, hear me out. It's okay. You can take the first step.

1067
01:26:03,188 --> 01:26:07,588
And then the only thing that normally works with these people is when I pull out my phone,

1068
01:26:07,668 --> 01:26:12,388
and they pull out their phone, and I get them to download an app, and I zap them with like a

1069
01:26:12,388 --> 01:26:19,448
thousand sats and they get it within a minute sorry a fraction of a second they get it and then

1070
01:26:19,448 --> 01:26:26,268
they look at it and they go fuck this thing really works i now have bitcoin i go yeah i told you

1071
01:26:26,268 --> 01:26:34,828
said but but this is yes it's working so that was my rant about the freedom movement which i love so

1072
01:26:34,828 --> 01:26:39,508
much and i want all of them to join bitcoin that's that's my audience on my podcast that was a

1073
01:26:39,508 --> 01:26:45,428
beautiful um rant Freudian slip no Freudian slip oh the minute they're spending it and then it

1074
01:26:45,428 --> 01:26:50,028
takes a minute no no it doesn't take a minute sometimes if if you're hosting your own node and

1075
01:26:50,028 --> 01:26:57,888
you're using lightning yes yes but I've been using lightning for three years now in all my trips

1076
01:26:57,888 --> 01:27:05,148
everywhere overseas and it it almost I don't I think there was maybe one or two times where it

1077
01:27:05,148 --> 01:27:11,168
failed me out of the hundreds of times i've used it it is most definitely amazing it's the easiest

1078
01:27:11,168 --> 01:27:16,628
way to make a payment great example this morning trying to fix my drive i'm on chat gpt getting all

1079
01:27:16,628 --> 01:27:21,828
the answers and it says you've reached your limit you need to pay 23 euros a month so i thought right

1080
01:27:21,828 --> 01:27:27,568
cool well and then i press the button and the page pops up yeah how many fields do i have to fill in

1081
01:27:27,568 --> 01:27:33,988
just show me a qr code exactly i just pay like moldad vpn you you know i use that one you don't

1082
01:27:33,988 --> 01:27:38,708
even have an you don't have anything or silent link yeah for an e-scene you just have a thing

1083
01:27:38,708 --> 01:27:44,948
you do it you pay it's gone it took me about 20 minutes to sign up for chat gpt using my credit

1084
01:27:44,948 --> 01:27:50,308
card it's like completely unnecessary i know anyway look we've been going 122 if you gotta go

1085
01:27:50,308 --> 01:27:55,228
i have to go i think because i have a flight to catch you do have a flight to catch um let's

1086
01:27:55,228 --> 01:28:03,288
leave in a good note then yes um this is is um let's talk about the well we can talk about the

1087
01:28:03,288 --> 01:28:08,308
future but you're kind of already saying that why don't we what are we what are you absolutely

1088
01:28:08,308 --> 01:28:16,448
um stoked about currently that really probably everyone else needs to know leave leave us with

1089
01:28:16,448 --> 01:28:26,648
something that is hope there you go hope and and you're a hopeful person i know because you i am

1090
01:28:26,648 --> 01:28:31,668
you've just explained to me what you're doing in your life and it's amazing it's lush you're walking

1091
01:28:31,668 --> 01:28:35,868
It's traveling around the world, speaking to people about what you love.

1092
01:28:36,488 --> 01:28:39,268
It's funding itself in some shape or form.

1093
01:28:39,328 --> 01:28:40,048
This is the dream.

1094
01:28:40,748 --> 01:28:47,268
You know, this is like, people used to shed their possessions, get a walking stick and bare feet and walk the road.

1095
01:28:47,848 --> 01:28:49,108
That's exactly what you're doing.

1096
01:28:49,228 --> 01:28:49,888
Right, exactly.

1097
01:28:50,088 --> 01:28:54,068
But you're doing it in the 21st century, which is very, very, very different.

1098
01:28:54,168 --> 01:28:56,048
Very different and very digital.

1099
01:28:56,528 --> 01:28:59,708
And thanks to this digital world, I can do both.

1100
01:28:59,708 --> 01:29:02,868
I can work and travel and make a living.

1101
01:29:04,288 --> 01:29:09,908
And I'm just so blessed and I'm very, very grateful and very humbly grateful.

1102
01:29:10,568 --> 01:29:25,222
Hope to me is knowing that we going to see a lot of awesome great people and talents joining not just the freedom community but the Bitcoin community

1103
01:29:25,222 --> 01:29:32,562
We're going to get an explosion of talented people coming into this space to help us build

1104
01:29:32,562 --> 01:29:39,282
alternatives, privacy alternatives, freedom technologies, monetary technologies, things

1105
01:29:39,282 --> 01:29:44,882
that will help us communicate better, things that will help us transfer information and

1106
01:29:44,882 --> 01:29:48,242
value between people in a more efficient way and in a more private way.

1107
01:29:49,362 --> 01:29:59,502
And while the old world is collapsing, its systems are collapsing and are self-sabotaging

1108
01:29:59,502 --> 01:30:09,262
themselves while trying to shrink the control and tighten the belt on people's voices.

1109
01:30:09,282 --> 01:30:17,162
and freedoms and privacy, we are doing the opposite. We are building things to proliferate

1110
01:30:17,162 --> 01:30:27,082
freedom through the digital age. And what gives me hope is for more and more people to see that

1111
01:30:27,082 --> 01:30:34,262
digital is not a dirty word, that digital is not necessarily bad or evil, that digital can be

1112
01:30:34,262 --> 01:30:41,682
using the same type of mechanism that is trying to control us to free us up.

1113
01:30:42,242 --> 01:30:49,722
Digital world can be a digital freedom world. It's possible. So when I see that, and I see that so

1114
01:30:49,722 --> 01:30:55,402
many more people are not with us, and some of them will join us thanks to people like you and

1115
01:30:55,402 --> 01:31:01,542
what you do, and thanks to my podcast, thanks to so many other wonderful people that are working on

1116
01:31:01,542 --> 01:31:10,882
this, it fills me up with hope because I know that even if we are less in number, what we do

1117
01:31:10,882 --> 01:31:18,242
is so important because it is creating those rails to a more free society that will choose that kind

1118
01:31:18,242 --> 01:31:24,622
of life with the sacrifices it may mean to choose that kind of life. And people will join that way

1119
01:31:24,622 --> 01:31:34,162
of living and it will be glorious come and join us thank you a brief but uh invigorating

1120
01:31:34,162 --> 01:31:40,382
conversation thank you very much indeed you're going straight to the airport um have a good one

1121
01:31:40,382 --> 01:31:45,202
i don't know where i'll see you next probably you're such a sneaky one you come into all the

1122
01:31:45,202 --> 01:31:50,182
right places i think it will be 2026 do you know where i'm definitely going to next year where

1123
01:31:50,182 --> 01:31:57,902
Fin, what's it called? BTC, the one that everyone's going, Finland.

1124
01:31:58,602 --> 01:31:59,182
Helsinki.

1125
01:31:59,182 --> 01:31:59,902
Helsinki.

1126
01:32:00,042 --> 01:32:03,282
No, they call it BTC Hell.

1127
01:32:03,422 --> 01:32:03,862
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1128
01:32:03,862 --> 01:32:04,442
I love it.

1129
01:32:04,462 --> 01:32:05,222
Which is a really good, yeah.

1130
01:32:05,682 --> 01:32:06,902
So next year you're going to go there?

1131
01:32:06,962 --> 01:32:07,422
I think so.

1132
01:32:07,482 --> 01:32:07,722
Okay.

1133
01:32:07,922 --> 01:32:10,142
You have to go to something new each time.

1134
01:32:10,142 --> 01:32:10,362
Yep.

1135
01:32:10,462 --> 01:32:14,462
I did Prague last year, this year's, Franny Badger, you know, but Bournemouth certainly,

1136
01:32:14,582 --> 01:32:14,822
I think.

1137
01:32:14,822 --> 01:32:19,402
One that I really like, I've been to so many conferences, I just want to do like one,

1138
01:32:19,402 --> 01:32:22,502
shout out, I'm not getting anything for it,

1139
01:32:22,502 --> 01:32:24,902
but it's just to show the Bitcoiners

1140
01:32:24,902 --> 01:32:28,982
how many great conferences there are out there.

1141
01:32:28,982 --> 01:32:33,922
I think that adopting Bitcoin El Salvador

1142
01:32:33,922 --> 01:32:36,042
is really one that is worth going to

1143
01:32:36,042 --> 01:32:39,522
because you really feel the grassroots there.

1144
01:32:39,522 --> 01:32:41,222
And around that same week,

1145
01:32:41,222 --> 01:32:44,862
you also have the Mi Premier Bitcoin Un-Conference,

1146
01:32:44,862 --> 01:32:47,902
which also is being done, I think once a year in the US,

1147
01:32:47,902 --> 01:32:52,442
But that is also like completely free floating.

1148
01:32:52,902 --> 01:32:57,262
Like the shape is just being formed as you get there, when you speak to the people.

1149
01:32:57,542 --> 01:33:02,502
So if people like conferences, like this one is one that I really recommend.

1150
01:33:02,682 --> 01:33:05,862
I spoke at the first adopting BTC ever.

1151
01:33:05,962 --> 01:33:06,262
Where?

1152
01:33:06,622 --> 01:33:07,262
In El Salvador.

1153
01:33:07,462 --> 01:33:07,982
In El Salvador.

1154
01:33:08,302 --> 01:33:08,562
Yeah, yeah.

1155
01:33:08,722 --> 01:33:08,862
It was.

1156
01:33:09,602 --> 01:33:11,382
They also have it in South Africa.

1157
01:33:11,802 --> 01:33:12,022
Yeah.

1158
01:33:12,082 --> 01:33:13,042
I mean, it's amazing.

1159
01:33:13,162 --> 01:33:14,602
I mean, you've got to make the pilgrimage anyway.

1160
01:33:14,702 --> 01:33:15,462
Everyone knows that.

1161
01:33:15,462 --> 01:33:15,742
Yeah.

1162
01:33:15,742 --> 01:33:21,562
But yeah, choose conference time because there's always loads of things going on around that time as well.

1163
01:33:21,762 --> 01:33:23,482
I'm super curious to get to Africa.

1164
01:33:23,962 --> 01:33:26,562
I haven't been to any African conference yet.

1165
01:33:26,722 --> 01:33:29,742
And ABC is happening in December, African Bitcoin conference.

1166
01:33:30,422 --> 01:33:33,942
I think it's in Mauritius this year, but I'm not planning to go at the moment.

1167
01:33:34,162 --> 01:33:35,062
Maybe I will.

1168
01:33:35,722 --> 01:33:37,522
Mauritius is like beaches and stuff.

1169
01:33:37,562 --> 01:33:38,402
Anyway, look, you've got to go.

1170
01:33:38,702 --> 01:33:39,682
Thank you, Efrat.

1171
01:33:39,802 --> 01:33:40,602
See you next time.

1172
01:33:40,842 --> 01:33:41,822
Good luck with everything.

1173
01:33:42,042 --> 01:33:42,762
Love what you do.

1174
01:33:43,202 --> 01:33:43,842
Happy to have you here.

1175
01:33:43,922 --> 01:33:44,342
Thanks for talking.

1176
01:33:44,342 --> 01:33:44,982
Thank you.

1177
01:33:45,742 --> 01:33:53,242
Thanks.

1178
01:33:53,242 --> 01:33:55,422
Bye-bye.

1179
01:33:55,642 --> 01:33:56,662
Bye-bye.