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so I will obviously be seeing you there. I have a very busy schedule, it has to be said,
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It's the Free Cities Conference and it's all about meeting other people in the Free Cities space.
I cannot wait. Right, on to today's show. And as the title suggests, we're back in the world of
conspiracies again. I'm speaking with my very good friend, Daniel Prince. Now, Dan needs a
little introduction. He's got one of the most popular Bitcoin podcasts in the world. He's been
on the show before as well i suspect most of you will know who he is um something else to mention
if you didn't listen to episode 148 with patrick henningson uh either go and listen to it now
or probably better than that is after you've listened to this episode go and listen to it
uh it's not that these two episodes were consciously connected they're obviously connected
in title. It's just that I think what's great about them is they both offer two slightly
different ways to approach the idea of conspiracies. Patrick very much uses the language of a seasoned
journalist, trying not to exclude too many people as he unravels the hidden connections in the world.
Princey, on the other hand, well, he's not afraid to alienate anyone, talking about the kind of
conspiracies that normally get you lumped into the crazies category and he's very cognizant of that
um it's absolutely fine by me i i love both ways given the chance i'll happily discuss conspiracy
theories from either standpoint mind you at a push i'd say probably trying to alienate the least
number of people is probably the best option if you want people to understand what you think you
You know, saying that, though, I don't mind admitting in public what I believe in private when the conversation requires it.
And you'll get a bit of that here. So look out for that.
Of course, this doesn't mean I expect you to join me down these rabbit holes.
They're not for everyone. I appreciate that.
Right. Let's have an AI summary.
And ChatGPT has really cocked it up, but I thought I'd say it anyway.
I'm trying to get it to be more engaging and it really doesn't understand the human condition.
Welcome to today's episode and buckle up because this one takes some unexpected turns.
What starts as a lighthearted chat about earphones, which is cut out of the episode,
obviously it was a little bit of banter at the start, quickly spirals into a deep dive
through the strange and fascinating intersections of technology, health and hidden control systems.
tim welcomes princy a former bitcoin purist turned full spectrum conspiracy explorer
as they unpack everything from the effects of blue light and zombie mode to the flickering tricks
of las vegas casinos and how our smartphones might be using similar methods to keep us hooked from
there the conversation climbs higher into the clouds literally exploring chemtrails yep you're
gonna love that one weather modification and the powerful forces behind them along the way
the hosts connect the dots between digital manipulation social engineering and the illusion
of ownership in modern life before landing on a message of empowerment stay awake stay free and
keep stacking sats i mean that that doesn't really do it justice i prefer the fountain
summary fountain has its own ai that that comes there's very much more down to earth
it they're calling him princy as well so tim and princy discuss various conspiracy theories and
the importance of personal freedom in a world increasingly controlled by social engineering
and technological manipulation but they get it right with the key topics blue light and health
chemtrails and weather control secret societies and world governance bitcoin as a means of opting
out and allodial titles as true ownership now that might seem like a pretty random bunch of
concepts there but they actually do all weave together relatively well it's a great episode i
love talking to dan he's he's an old mate from the bitcoin world and we love a good natter
everything's on the table with Dan and I'm the same kind of person right a couple of things to
take note of in the show notes there's two links in there one is a link that Dan asked me to put
in there to one of his stolen science series is on his own podcast about chemtrails for all the
info there and the other one is a link to the video that I was speaking about who I couldn't
quite remember the name of the guy it was bob lazar who the name i was trying to think of and
that's a an old grainy video of him talking about what he thinks he knows about the origins of
religion both of those in the show notes uh go and check them out with all the other stuff and
probably anything else you might need to time to thank my wonderful supporters before we go on
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Right Final shout out to all the Britcoiners listening I know Dan got a good following in the UK BitFest UK is coming up 21st to the 23rd of November in Manchester Five events over three days Noster Day Bitcoin Day BitFlix which is films Bitcoin films
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discount on your already quite cheap ticket and I will see you there. Right, let's get into it.
you'll want to sit this one out in a double-layered Faraday cage.
You lot don't let them get to your brain, right?
Keep the faith, sit back, relax, and enjoy my conversation with Daniel Prince.
right
Princey
I love that you have an absolute blank page
yeah
for Giacomo's interview you've got a full page of notes of what you want to ask him
and for Princey nothing
blank canvas let's go
Yeah, let's fucking go. I did. I even last night watched some of Giacomo's videos. Because the thing is, when you speak to Bitcoiners, there's a limit to... I've already noticed that the golden age of Bitcoin podcasts is kind of over, isn't it?
And as a result, you don't really want to hear all the same things over and over again.
So I'm trying to dig between the lines.
And I've definitely found it.
I mean, a guy I interviewed this morning, which was a real surprise, Leon Vancombe?
Yes.
Right.
The kind of real estate guy?
Yeah.
No, he's a lot more than that.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I saw something he'd posted on Twitter and I thought, there's more to this guy than you think.
He's not because he was on Preston's show and he's just talking about real estate as if he's a real estate dude,
which he is but he also he studied under um a guy who used to run the free cities foundation
he's into like austrian economics massively he's into the philosophy philosophical side of bitcoin
we ended up speaking for two hours and it was really good you know and that's what i have to
do but with you i mean i just know you now i know you now as the conspiracy guy i could even put the
lights i could make them a bit warmer for you if you want like you can spin them but but you've
actually done exactly what i'm talking about you used to be once been in the bitcoin podcast
and now you are the alex jones show let's face it mr was it mr um what are they called
chemtrails chemtrails right the chemtrail king yeah but but i mean you have pivoted into
like i think this is the way this is how it looks like it went to me you get into bitcoin you realize
that money's a scam. And then from that point on, you realize everything's a scam. That's
basically it, isn't it?
Yes.
Yes. And as a result, you now interview, I mean, Bitcoin's still a core part of it,
but it's a lot of other stuff. Like, I take it those glasses have something to do with it.
Yeah, absolutely. And this came actually directly from the interview with Jack Cruz,
Dr. Jack Cruz, who is a Bitcoiner as well and a neurosurgeon.
So if nobody's heard of Jack, I would certainly follow him on Twitter.
He does a lot of long form tweets that aren't AI.
It's actually he curates them from his newsletter.
So he has his tribe that he calls the mitochondriacs.
and because he's all about cellular biology
and light is a huge thing for him and for us
and for our biology.
And he has an excellent way of conveying
very complicated biological, physiological, physics
and chemistry stuff that we wouldn't have been taught at school
and getting that across in layman's terms.
And he's coming, I keep banging the table, sorry.
And he comes from, he had three or four decades as a neurosurgeon,
like literally unscrewing the tops of people's heads
and sorting out their brains and then screwing,
you know, the classic man from two brain scenes.
It's not, yeah, he's not a brain surgeon.
Oh, he is a brain surgeon.
Yes, like fully, fully on.
And I actually remember that the first time I come across Jack was in Clubhouse.
Oh, my God, is that still a thing?
Well, it is still a thing, but I haven't been on Clubhouse basically since Spaces started, right?
But do you remember we were all locked down?
Yeah.
I didn't have the balls to go on that.
No.
I hadn't gone online and I hadn't revealed myself face to face online until the pandemic, believe it or not.
You know, like when we did Safe Teens thing.
Yes.
I was like nervous to turn the camera on.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I didn't turn the camera on immediately.
But that was the beginning.
Now you say that.
That was the beginning of it.
Zoom, all that stuff happened when everyone got locked down.
Yes.
Prior to that, I had never done a video call.
And the thought of going on a space and speaking out loud was a big deal.
so you've been a twitter lurker or everything lurker so you were on twitter but you were just
a lurker you weren't like you um i was on twitter but i had a completely different personality
i was the the media me filmmaking photography all that kind of stuff and i i never put i never put
my own image on there i just put my pictures and films you know that was it was like a marketing
thing more than anything i didn't really do opinions i still don't i don't really but but i
do distinctly remember going on do you know right one one thing i did you know what it's like when
something new like that happens you you say i'll try that you know and it seemed quite
quite intrusive actually and do you know do you know a guy on twitter he's an absolute nutter
called bit lord oh my god he's he's like part he's it's hard to know exactly what he is but
he definitely he's definitely a shit coiner he's definitely a meme trader he's all that stuff
but he also is a is like a stand-up comedian and during the pandemic he did this hilarious
like um series of him being in china saying i've got to get out of here people are dying all around
me and stuff like that and it went completely viral and um no one knew whether it was real or
not it was really bizarre you know he was really playing on that thing now you obviously realize
he's a complete nutter he one time he set fire to his he lost all his money on meme coins and he
set fire to his apartment you know in dubai and stuff like that but but he you know he didn't
really burn his apartment down but he did he does really really funny rants anyway and one time i
was laughing my head off watching this thing and he just put a tweet out saying who wants to do a
spaces come on now and i thought sod it and i did i just went straight on popped up live and there
was like five of us there and i was like this is the most full-on thing i think i've ever done i'm
I'm just like, here, people can see into my office, you know,
and behind me and stuff.
It's so second nature to us now.
But that was literally me trying it for the first time.
And it was 20, what was that, 2020 or something?
It seems.
Yes.
So Clubhouse, because COVID pushed us all to think of different ways
to connect with each other online in a more meaningful way,
that you had House Party.
Do you remember that?
That was the kids version, right?
That was like the app that you downloaded and you could have.
Because up until that point, we just had Skype.
Skype was, that was kind of the monopoly.
Do you know that they went out of business, by the way, recently?
How is that possible?
I found this out about three months ago in Morocco.
The guy I was interviewing said, yes, Skype went out.
They went into liquidation about two weeks ago, which is unbelievable.
I thought they could have cornered that market.
How do you fuck that up?
They were the only game in town.
Yeah.
And then everybody wanted to go online because we'd been physically,
you know,
locked away from each other.
And,
you know,
human beings are physical and social creatures.
So what do we do?
Well,
we,
we iterate and you get clubhouse and you get a house party.
And I think there was one other,
I can't remember what it is.
It was definitely house party for the kids,
which was,
we banned it in our house.
It was so annoying.
And it was probably a complete privacy nightmare when you look back.
Most likely,
looking back.
Yeah.
um and yeah but and i never did clubhouse because clubhouse was a bit of a kind of in
there was a bit of an in thing there it wasn't very friendly well you needed that's right you're
correct you needed an invite from someone else to join it that's it and not only that it was
iphone enabled only and i didn't oh yeah i didn't know i didn't have an iphone uh and i started
getting pressure from bitcoiners like why aren you on clubhouse you need to be on clubhouse get on Clubhouse I think we had this conversation back then actually I pretty sure we did Probably because we were on the weekly calls with Safe That right yeah
So it probably would have come up at some stage.
But I did get on it, and I was listening to a discussion.
I was in one of the rooms, and on comes Jack.
Jack who?
Jack Cruz.
Oh, Jack Cruz, who we were talking about.
Right.
And he just starts dropping these bombs,
and he clearly knew what he was talking about.
You could, you know, you just know within a first sentence
whether this guy's a Bitcoiner or not a Bitcoiner.
And you know he was a Bitcoiner.
And he started talking about how he's just come out of surgery
because he's a brain surgeon, this, that, and the other thing, blah, blah, blah.
And he starts talking about the pandemic and what's going on
and this is all completely nonsense, what's going on in hospitals,
with the respirators and all of this kind of stuff.
It's just wow.
So I've been following him for a long time and just learning a lot more
from his work and I've had him on my podcast.
He had a TED Talk band in 2011.
Really? On what?
Cold therapy, pretty much.
As in ice baths and stuff like that?
Yeah, way before Wim Hof and any of this kind of stuff.
So, yeah, literally the feds knocked down his door
and wanted to know what he was working on and why
and all this kind of stuff.
So that was Lauren's first question on the podcast.
So why was your TED Talk band?
and that set up the whole conversation.
We had a two-and-a-half-hour conversation.
But he does a lot on light, on our eyes,
and what our eyes are basically,
they need the full spectrum of light to be coming in.
They are like this information channel,
this superhighway of information down to our cellular level.
And lights like these, the UV lights that are in, like this is...
LEDs, you mean?
LEDs, specifically.
Yeah, yeah, I've heard about that.
Yeah, LEDs and blue light specifically.
And blue light that's flickering.
These things are flickering.
Our eyes can't pick it up.
But you know what?
You're a cameraman.
You know when you film a computer screen or something like that,
you'll see the flicker.
Are you turning them down?
No, I can make them go yellow.
Oh, right, okay.
That's white light.
Yeah.
And then yellow light.
It depends what you want.
I've got them set to half and half.
Right.
You know, so that's that's the reason for for the blue blockers.
So it blocks the blue lights.
So whenever I'm at these conferences, you generally a bit because of the nature of the podcast and the work that I've done in the past, I'll be invited to the podcast to the conferences to host the stages or to host panels.
and uh that means i'm locked inside for eight to nine hours all day uh and i'm just having this
unnatural light beamed at me all day long because you're on the stage you've got the red lights the
blue lights the green lights the flashing lights you've got the tv screens and whatever else
and jack's like dude that stuff is just so bad for you and what was it do then um now i wish i
wish i could explain to you oh you do yeah you just wear the glasses mate yeah no it's going to
completely knock you out of your your circadian rhythm and so like it like i said the eyes are
the information superhighway so if you want to be in a good circadian rhythm you want to be getting
the uh the red light the good red light in the very morning the very very early morning sun
that's when you've got good red light from from the sun during the rest of the day you've got
what's called UV light, and that is still very, very good for you. You want all of the spectrum
of the light in your pupil. And then in the evening, the sunset, you have the red light again.
So if you're not getting that full spectrum, your circadian rhythm is getting completely screwed up.
Now, if you look at our, if you just take the general fiat lifestyle, we've all lived it.
Generally, most people listening might be commuting, listening to this podcast at this time.
you've woken up depending on where you live it might even be dark so you've you're not going to
even see the sunrise by the time the sun rises you'd have been on the train or the bus under led
blue flickering lights then you'd have got to the office and you'll be under led flickering blue
lights you'll be looking at a computer screen or two at the very least depending on your job and
your cubicle you probably got double screens or a laptop on the go at the same time at the very
least so you're looking at this blue flashing light all day long above you and right in front
of your eyes then the reverse happens on your way home and then when you get home what do you do you
sit down in your dip in the sofa and you turn on the television so you do and then people wonder
why their sleep is fucked up i did see on on i think it was nostor yesterday maybe you posted it
There was a very good meme, which was like a, you know, like a page of a cartoon page.
And it was a cartoon character.
And it was first thing in the morning at breakfast, looking at the phone, going to work, looking at the screen at 11 o'clock, taking a break from the screen to look at the phone.
You know, lunchtime, you know, back to the screen, just like how you've described.
And it's true.
I actually do do that.
I work at home and taking a break for me is going to the phone and it and that's I've never even
thought of it like that before that's that's quite serious isn't it like you know I I don't
like looking at screens but why the fuck we do look at screens a hell of a lot even conscientious
people look at screens a lot you know the only way you can't is to literally work outside with
your hands or something you know otherwise you know I think I used to read a lot of books
it's like looking at a screen you know but it's not right the the lights are having a bad effect
on you so do you want to go the alex jones route now down the light stuff which which jack talked
about oh well if jack if jack says it jack's the brain surgeon not me so he take me down like the
can the led rabbit hole the led conspiratorial blue light rabbit hole basically yeah uh because
um it does put you in a state of like uh zombie mode uh and this is where the whole tinfoil hat
wearing kind of uh meme comes from uh because people used to used to believe and correctly
that the television was programming you in some way and whether that was the frequency from the
actual device itself or the flickering blue light is it alpha waves as well that puts you into a
meditative state because i think kids get particularly mesmerized just look at them
yeah when when they're looking at their uh you know this this thing is real and uh and jack
basically says this goes back to the formation of uh of las vegas because what was happening in las
vegas well all of these casinos were getting built who was building the casinos the mafia
and people that, not great people, let's put it that way.
And what did they figure out?
Well, they figured out like these,
the slot machines are a classic example,
the blue flashing lights.
You get mesmerized sitting in front of them.
So, and then they started layering on different tricks.
So they'd take all the clocks out of the casinos.
They'd black out the windows
or the windows would be fake windows,
blue lights above you
because they're flickering the whole time.
And they realized that they, and pump oxygen in, right?
These are the classic tricks that everybody knows now.
This isn't a conspiracy theory.
This is all completely, totally proven.
That puts somebody into like almost a meditative zombie state.
So they'll just keep putting the coins in, right?
Or they'll keep gambling away at the blackjack table or the roulette table or whatever.
So then this gets transformed into like big tech now.
So why is it?
if we know that's what the technology does,
why are all of our laptops built in such a way?
Why are all of the televisions built in such a way?
And of course, they'll tell you because it's the better,
you know, you want the 4D, HD, this, that, and the other thing,
best film experience,
and you want the best experience from your monitor.
But what's actually happening is that that flickering light is so bad for you.
It's putting you in a state,
and they are able to control you in many, many different ways
that you even thought possible,
you pair that with the algorithm stuff that we all know is going on in Twitter,
the nudging and whatever else,
and whether it's Facebook and you can look at Cambridge Analytica
and all that kind of stuff.
We'll come on to Dominic Cummings and another conspiracy theory.
And so now we have a Bitcoiner company run by two Bitcoiners, Anjan and Tristan, and it's called Daylight Computer.
Have you bumped up against these guys? Do you know what they do?
So they produce basically an iPad, a tablet, but it's good tech health.
What they're trying to do is completely turn the tables like Bitcoiners do.
Take the bad health in the tech and turn it into good health So they devised this screen that there no backlight at all none of this flashing blue light or anything like that
Was it like an Amazon Kindle screen or something?
Yeah, something along those lines, exactly.
But now it's a beautiful touchpad, and you can use the stylus pen on it,
and you can have all your apps on there, and it's a very, very cool piece of kit.
So that, you know, all the way back around, that's why I wear the glasses under the blue lights.
But when I'm outside, they're straight off.
But I don't wear sunglasses because sunglasses then block the UV light that you still need.
And if you're blocking, if you're using the sunglasses to block that light, then you're not getting all of that information.
Your eyes don't know what time of day it is.
Your eyes do not know how sunny and bright it is outside.
so your body will not produce the melanin that it needs to protect you from the sun which is
basically what all the suntan is is because it gets more and more intense the light gets more
and more intense you produce more melanin the melanin is darker pigment in your skin
and that's that it's just sun protection so if you're wearing the sunglasses you're more likely
to burn i heard that one i i've i've done i didn't understand why but i'm not sure i still do i do
know that a lot of people are very against sun lotions most of them some lotions yes i mean
is anything not a scam the actually going back to what you were saying about about the the light
and stuff and being mesmerized and m vegas and all this kind of stuff it is very similar like
when you think about and now i'm going to be a conspiracy theorist if you think about twitter
right it's like praying it's like playing a fruit machine yeah it's like ching ching ching and one
of the things that gets you about fruit machines i remember as a kid we used to play them in pubs
it was ridiculous because you'd go down the pub with about seven quid wouldn't you and you probably
put five of it in the fruit machine and you were gutted because they're like why did i do that but
the reason you do it is because it feels like just around the corner something's going to happen
you're going to win the money and that's the same with tiktok you never reach the the end of tiktok
do you and the next one's going to be it's going to give me that i think it's good you know or
whatever tiktok instagram whatever so i i suppose i wouldn't i wouldn't fall on it i wouldn't think
of it as a conspiracy though i would think of it as the naturally occurring a natural occurrence
from the incentives which exists?
Well, you've got to ask yourself, what is a conspiracy?
Well, exactly. That's a good point.
Somebody has, you know, you and I conspired to set up this podcast, right?
Right, yeah.
To set up this event.
So there was a, you know, the designers of TikTok or Twitter or whatever,
they will have a boardroom and they will sit around and conspire
to figure out how do we keep more eyeballs on our platform longer than the other one like that is
their raison d'etre that they otherwise they're out of business and and you're totally right because
how many times have you found yourself say you take your break or you've gone for a dump or
something and you're on your twitter feed and you're scrolling through and you're scrolling
through and scrolling through and you're like okay i've been scrolling for five minutes you
didn't even realize nothing much more of interest so you pull down like let's refresh the screen
Let's refresh the feet.
Something must have happened now in the last five minutes.
And now that is addictive behavior.
And the best thing people can do just to test this theory that we're talking about is switch your phone to black and white mode.
See how much time less you spend on your phone.
Really?
Yeah.
Why?
Because the mesmerizing flicker is not getting you.
So it doesn't work in black and white?
No.
and you can even go a step further
and download an app, it's free, called Twilight
and then set that onto red light
so I can show you now
I always have Twilight on my phone
I've got something on my laptop
that makes it go orange in the evenings
but I always turn it off
because it's so annoying
because I can't see what I'm looking at
but I do, I find myself just switching it off every time
I leave it running
because I think it's probably good for me.
But I don't know, looking at an orange screen really doesn't work for me.
Maybe I'm used to the bright light.
You are.
You're definitely used to it.
But, yeah, you'll find you'll spend less time on your devices if –
try the black and white trick.
Honestly, it's just a setting on your phone.
On any phone, you'll be able to figure it out.
Have you noticed you're getting any pushback from your listeners?
Yeah.
You are?
yeah are you because i don't know more importantly friends really yeah i was talking to someone about
this was it i might even have been talking to you about it i can't remember you talked to so many
bloody people but um but i'm yeah well was i talking to you about david ike yes yes right yeah
okay he's a good example because i i'm probably going to be interviewing his son next month
that's amazing well because he's into all that stuff now but but what's interesting about someone
like david ike for those of you that don't know he was a british footballer famous footballer who
then became a commentator a football commentator did he actually play football yeah yeah yeah he
was a good footballer mate really i have no clue no he was he was that's why he became the um
actually don't quote me on it i'm pretty sure i'm not an aficionado on him but anyway he basically
had some kind of an awakening experience in the 80s i think it was and because he was famous he
went on the biggest talk show in the uk which was wogan do you remember terry wogan's show yes
and he basically said he was jesus come back to warn everyone uh and and he was wearing purple
and he was he was basically completely ridiculed and laughed at on tv in the most terrible way
and but but i i actually i did take an interest in him at the time and i i bought his book because
i'm like when anyone does something like that you you've got like something's happening here what
what what's going on what was the book called um robots rebellion okay and basically the book said
that the book basically predicted everything that's happening now it it predict it but it but
it went a lot a lot further and said that the conspiracy the reason it's happening is because
it's um our other dimensional entities who shapeshift between lizard forms and all this
kind of stuff but the basics was a um a kind of mesh network prison type planet um which which is
pretty much i mean as far as i can tell is the the equivalent of it is um the kind of social
credit system he he did predict all this and it was the mark of the beast was uh implanted um
you know chips in your in your hand to do things which has happened your apple watch well no no
actually there's no i interviewed someone the other day who's actually got a chip in his
thing to pay for things i know i know i know exactly right whatever it's up to them if they
want to do that but but um he did predict all this right and then he ended up writing hundreds
and hundreds of books um i think probably in the end he's probably written about 15 or 20 books i
don't know and one of them he's really interesting because when you read as you start reading his
books thick big things all about the rothschilds and secret societies and the masons and all this
stuff and he was absolutely obsessed with researching all this stuff and um one of his
books came out and he basically the front cover of it i remember it was called i am me i am free
and it was and the front cover was him stark bollock naked standing there like this like the
guy like the da vinci picture of the human yes and because i i just remember when i bought it
waterstones had put a sticker over his penis just so that you couldn't see it but what the reason he
did it was and and he talked about this a lot in his other books he's like when he got so completely
ridiculed by everyone there was really nothing they could do to him and and the last thing was
look here I am completely naked come at me bro it's like what are you gonna how are you gonna
ridicule me now this is the most ridiculous thing and you know it was kind of like a precursor to
to cancelling people and stuff but anyway the reason I mentioned him is because he probably
loses a hell of a lot of readers and listeners and people like that because he talks about the
lizard stuff and the, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And I would say base the basics of what he talks about do appear to be true
of a car according to what I know.
So I'm wondering whether you not facing the same thing,
because you're not going full lizard, but from where we were,
your, your, your chemtrails and this and that,
and the kind of memes that, that don't give people a good reputation.
I know, to be honest, chemtrails appears to be true, right?
Yeah.
chemtrails used to be the oh my god it's like the it used to be a flat earth theory didn't it really
and now people it's true right yes yeah it's true anyway before you but come on what about the
pushback yeah so i was pulled into that rabbit hole uh again by by people i trusted other bitcoiners
uh who i respected and um i'm like they must have been started they must have started talking to me
about this two years ago i'm like yeah no guys i don't think there's anything there like you know
just keep looking what was the what was the gateway drug um the gateway drug was my own eyes
uh because when you know that that would that the way it was explained to me it's like well just
what what do you remember as a kid and then think deeply about that and then look up at the sky and
just for the next three months, just keep mental notes.
That's all I'm asking.
And just have an open mind.
About chem shows.
Yeah.
So I'm like, well, that's not much of an ask.
I think I owe these people that at the very least.
You know, they're very solid friends of mine, people I respect.
So I did.
And what I kept seeing just wasn't adding up, wasn't making sense.
And then you start digging into it.
You start reading a few books about it, obviously, and doing a little bit of research and bumping up against just little truths.
So what I remembered as a kid, you and I are around the same age.
I was born in 76.
I remember you'd be out playing in the garden, especially in the summertime, and laying around, and you would see the planes fly over.
and as a very young man, like eight year old, you know, that's the coolest thing. It's a vivid
memory for me laying in the garden, watching jets fly over and seeing the tiny little white trails
and just wondering, I wonder where that's going. I wonder who's on that aeroplane. Like, you know,
I wonder how high that is. Like, how is that even possible? All of these thoughts that would go
through your mind as a young boy. So I vividly remember that. And now when I watch it, you still
see those planes sometimes going over having the exact same thing tiny little line disappears after
one or two seconds that's what i remember i'm not going crazy and then some days you wake up
and you wake up and you open the curtains and there's just these lines crisscrossed all over
the sky you know okay i definitely don't fucking remember that shit but but people i always assumed
that was to do with the atmospheric conditions but is but how can you say how can you prove it's not
then well this is the thing you can't verify i can't go up and verify right i can't i can't fly
up and and and even take air samples of that thing so it's it's one of these perfect little
uh like psyops that could be run on us um yeah oh yeah that's just water vapor and exhaust fumes
bro and ice crystals and you know it's uh it's very easy to to my my contention would be
how do you keep that a secret like what how how does every pilot if it's that many pilots they're
not all in on it right no so how does it how does it how do you keep that a secret come on
no well like basically it's a it's weather changing what what what people think it is
or what people know it is right it's been reported just even in the mainstream media now right just
recently and i did did you see it in the bbc and uh no okay well anybody listening now can just go
to, if you just Google BBC, UK government plans to dim the sun, and you'll come up with
a bunch of different articles. It's all over the mainstream media in the UK. I think it's
even hitting other countries as well. So their rationale for why they're doing it is to block
the sun, literally to dim the sun.
Why though?
To save us all, Tim.
from what from the climate crisis that we're all completely embroiled in and that we can't have the
sun heat the planet by another two degrees because then all of the ice will melt and all the polar
bears will die and we all have a catastrophic flood and we're all going to die and to save humanity
we're going to spray uh reflective particular into the stratosphere to reflect the sun and save us
all which which seems really weird complete lunacy it's like it straight out of it it's a
script straight out of a james bond film and this is why people just shake their heads and think
you're crazy when you talk about it but now it's like if there's even a video of bill gates
explaining why he's investing hundreds of millions of dollars into a company called silver linings
you can't make this shit up really a company called silver linings that hire private companies
to go up and do this and they there's a company in uh in the uk for the uk listeners called uh
JetXL. And you can go to JetXL.com and watch or find them on YouTube and watch videos of them
showing you how they've got two 737s with huge tanks inside. So inside where you would have
general passenger seats, completely all ripped out, two massive tanks inside, and they're boasting
about the technology. And they're saying the technology here, what we do is oil spill
dispersant technology so if there's ever an oil spill in the sea you call us we'll get out there
we can spray the chemicals on there and it breaks it all up that's great you're like how often do
oil spills happen you got two seven three sevens just sitting idle in two different areas of the
uk that's not a good business plan you and i both know how businesses work you've got to have that
thing in the air the whole time you watch their flight paths though i i'm i'm sure i'm sure you
must be able to because you i think you can watch everything can't you unless of course it is under
a military kind of operation yeah i don't know i i i'm i'm still suspicious because i i i'm
suspicious of a lot of those kind of conspiracies because i think how difficult it would be to hide
to hide it yeah there's someone i mean people say people who say 9-11 was an inside job
i can look at the videos and go yep that does look like loads of explosions happening all the
way down the thing right um but how the hell do you keep that a secret how do you how do you implant
all that stuff secretly and then blow it up it still be a secret i mean obviously nothing about
9-11 makes sense and and the the worst one is the other building that just falls down out of
nowhere tower seven yeah which is which is still standing behind the bbc reporter when she's telling
you see that bit i think is not important i don't i think that's a distraction that's that what but
what's not a distraction is that building just fell down like it was being demolished and randomly
yeah like nothing hit it nothing touched it nothing right okay it's almost my my theory would be they
probably thought that the thing might topple like this or something and knock it and then they could
do it at the same time or something you know but it's so that that is that i don't need anyone to
to set to prove to me that that is weird and and i think when you look into it wasn't that where
they held sort of like the records of i think there's some kind of pentagon yes or whatever
something there but once again that could be a distraction what isn't a distraction is that
building just fell down like but it didn't just fall over or fall down it it felt like when you
demolish a building that's what happens it collapsed in on itself yes exactly right not
nonsense you know but still and chemtrails is the same i still think how the hell do you
how the hell do you keep that secret think about us trying to do a conspiracy right on that scale
right how the how do you keep it how do you keep it quiet how seriously yeah how does not one person
know one person who knows one person who who just says no this is what's happening you know
and chemtrails seems like a really obvious one because it's um it's such a nutty idea i mean
does it do people deny do the official channels deny that it exists or do they now say it exists
it seems to we've got to this point now where they're adamant on getting out this story
across the whole world of how important it is to dim the sun.
And I don't know why, and this is only very, very recently,
in the last three months that they've been pushing out.
And so we have to be very careful because we're only ever told half-truths, right,
through the mainstream media.
So what they're telling us isn't true.
There's still something else going on.
If anybody wants to really dig into it there a book called Chemtrails Exposed and it in its second edition and it by a guy called Peter Kirby And I booked him for an interview and he actually being interviewed by Tucker Carlson very soon
or is about to drop very soon.
Oh, right, so it's going quite mainstream.
Yes, but he takes this all the way back to Project Paperclip
and Manhattan Project.
When all of these scientists ended up in the U.S.,
for those that aren't aware of what Project Paperclip is,
the U.S. gathered together all of the top Nazi scientists and repatriated them for their safety,
actually for their safety, to the U.S.
Because that meant then they wouldn't get caught up in the Nuremberg trials, right?
So they were literally saved.
They had their lives saved by the U.S. and by that government.
Then they were placed and given whatever means they needed to carry on their research
in whatever field of research that they were studying.
So whether that's atomic bombs, rocket science, physiology, whatever.
And remember niacin in our last episode?
Very well, yeah.
Willard Krell, Dr. Willard Krell was brought across in Project Paperclip
to continue his studies on niacin, which cured pellagra.
Pellagra is, you've never heard of it, nor have I,
pellagra is eczema, dermatitis, intrafigo,
all of these different names that they give the same thing
because they can sell several creams to dandruff, all of it.
Any kind of like skin associated disease, rashes, warts,
is all foundationally pellagra.
Pellagra is just completely wiped out
if you just boost the body with vitamin B3,
which is what niacin is,
which is what Willard Krell's research was,
which gets squashed.
So we can have this whole business, you know,
spawn out of hiding the research.
So what else were they doing? And what Peter Kirby starts uncovering, he calls it the military industrial education complex. And all four of these arms all working together. And there's a very famous clip of Lyndon B. Johnson giving a talk and address at a university. I can't remember which university, but he's in there and his cloak and his hat and whatever else, bit of cosplay. They love that over there.
and telling everybody we need to figure out a way to control the cloud cover of the world.
Because if we control the cloud cover, we control the world.
So it's a military objective to control the weather.
Like this is like...
How do you control the world with cloud cover?
So I don't know because I'm not a lunatic.
But what these guys, they have all of these researchers,
the top brains in the world figuring this out and that's when they discovered um harp h-a-a-r-p
you've heard of that i have it's something to do with broadcasting waves yes something i don't
know what it is so the first installation was uh was installed in uh alaska um there's a connection
to a university i can't remember which one that that's why kirby talks about this uh you know
these four pillars.
And the researchers theorized,
so that's another conspiracy, I suppose, isn't it, a theory.
They theorized that if they could heat the ionosphere
or perturb the ionosphere,
they could potentially control the weather in some way, shape, or form,
perhaps by redirecting the jet stream.
And so they started, obviously, building this kind of stuff.
Who wants to do that, though?
Why do you want to do it?
Why?
Oh, it's an attack vector.
Under national security, Tim, of course.
It's for your safety, always.
So this is what they built.
And, yeah, lo and behold, they figured out that, yeah,
so in the ionosphere, you can just heat that thing with microwaves
and radio waves.
Have you ever seen a picture of the HAARP facility in Alaska?
it's weird af mate it's about like the size of and then again anyone listening just hit pause
h-a-a-r-p installation hit images and you'll see it it's the most dastardly looking thing it's just
this array of antennae uh in a great big kind of rectangular like football fields um sized uh
And it's just a dark thing to look at.
And that obviously is supercharged with the electrical current,
and then they can turn up the radio waves or the microwaves
and just start perturbing the ionosphere.
And testing and theorizing and testing hypotheses.
This thing is still live,
and there are more HAARP installations all around the world
because obviously research gets shared at the very top level with the right people.
And under this idea of national security or one world governance, this is what they push out there.
So is and this is where people are like, well, this is just some kind of evil plan.
Well, is it an evil plan or is it just, you know, iteration on top of iteration, on top of breakthrough, on top of new hypothesis, on top of iteration, iteration?
So if we can do that, what if we had extra particulate up there that would even amplify that?
And what would that be?
So this is where Kirby theorizes, and I think he's probably right.
He starts talking about coal fly ash.
Coal fly ash is a byproduct of burning coal to produce electricity.
So in the great big funnels that you'd see, everybody's seen those, and the smoke is billowing out at the top.
Further down those chimneys is a contraption that catches all of the soot, for want of a better word.
And all of the soot then becomes a byproduct.
So what do you do with that byproduct?
Well, the best thing you can do is find a market for it.
The best market for it for many decades was concrete.
So it'd get mixed into concrete, and that's perfectly fine.
But we're talking about a market worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
So this isn't a game.
Like this is a real freaking business, a massive market and a floating market.
And we'll even have derivatives on top of that market.
This is like stuff we don't even think about.
And then, of course, if you've got too much of that stuff and it can't make it into all of the concrete, what are the other markets?
so the other markets that they've figured out was um to to uh mix it this is again peter kirby
what i've learned from his book it gets mixed into the fuel mix which again you think no way
in the world could they mix that in and i can't prove it i'm not a jet engineer i'm going on what
i've researched through through peter kirby and his research and all of the papers and citations
that he puts at the end of each chapter and then that gets uh dumped into the air along with
aluminium, barium and strontium, which must be byproducts of some other big industrial business.
I don't know. And that will obviously make the, in essence, that drops the ionosphere,
because this stuff can be electrically charged quicker and more effectively. And now you're
carrying more electrical charge so you even uh you've got an even better chance at perturbing
the uh the weather and mate when i was reading all of this stuff i'm like oh my god like
like you like the cognitive dissonance that was ringing in my ears and what cognitive dissonance
is when you face new information everything that you believe to be true like you know this is why
you have this like kind of visceral like no what are you talking about like this is complete and
utter nonsense uh i now actually enjoy those moments when i'm when i i i feel the bells go
off now and that's more of a signal to me rather than like uh just like you know walk away from
this person he's completely crazy i actually want to learn more well i mean these are like you say
these are doc this is a this guy's a bloody neurosurgeon you know it's kind of trust so
Kirby is someone completely to cruise.
So this, I'm glad you said that,
because it was Jack that unlocked me
when he was talking about light on my podcast.
And he said, well, there's,
everybody knows there's like a global initiative
to get us all blocked away from as much sunlight as possible.
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, Jack, stop.
Are you talking about the lines in the sky right now?
He's like, you're damn right I am.
Like, what, you haven't seen those with your own eyes?
I'm like, oh my God.
It's just crazy.
Crazy stuff.
It is.
I mean I suppose I asking myself who thinks like that Right now this comes back to Dominic Cummings Okay you better explain who Dominic Cummings is
He was the guy that helped, basically, Boris get elected.
And he's the Cambridge Analytica guy.
I thought he worked for the government.
Well, he worked for the government, but he contracted.
As far as I'm aware, and again, people, please fact-check,
I don't think he's an MP.
I don't think he's ever been a politician.
No, no, yeah.
A bit of an Alistair Campbell type.
Right.
Well, you know what I mean?
Not a politician, but works.
Yes.
He's a PR guy or whatever.
All right, whatever.
So do you remember the Cambridge and the...
You remember Brexit,
how the country was just divided perfectly 50-50 on the whole vote,
and it was the grey vote versus the young vote,
and this and the other thing, and divided families.
And this is back to the algorithms.
This is what Cambridge Analytica were doing primarily through Facebook because Facebook was still the big thing back in.
Facebook commissioned them, right?
Yeah.
They commissioned them to basically do some stuff to steer people in a certain direction.
And that was all masterminded by Cummings.
Social engineering, do they call that?
Yes, social engineering.
And this was all masterminded by Cummings, which was very well documented by Carol Cadwalader, who was the reporter at The Guardian at the time that released all of this data.
Was it his company, Cummings' company?
No.
But who did he work for?
Them or for the...
Was he working for the government?
Working for the government.
But to...
And he commissioned Cambridge Analytica.
What was it called in COVID?
Like the nudge unit.
So think of like the original nudge unit.
So the government are looking for a certain outcome,
i.e. Brexit, but they want to get...
Well, they were looking for not Brexit, right?
Well, nobody knew, did they?
Because he was saying one thing and doing the other.
Really? Boris, do you remember? He was flip flopping. Oh, yeah, no, you're right. Gosh,
I'm thinking, oh, yeah. God knows. So it's so long ago, doesn't it? Yes, exactly. So what do they
want? If the outcome is that they let's say they want Brexit, right? The best outcome they could
ever get is a 49 51% split, because that keeps you and I divided. And if you and I divided with
all of our families and all of our communities, that means we're in fighting against each other
and not looking up to the actual top.
And everyone is begging the actual top to say,
oh, just shut those people up and don't let it happen.
We just need to get someone else in
and then we'll all be fine again and blah, blah, blah.
So perfect.
That's what they got.
Now, Cummings then was found to have orchestrated all of this.
And he was even, what do they call it, deposition?
I think he had to face the court and answer all of this
through Cadwallader's work.
And then kind of disappeared and reappeared and was funded to found ARIA, which was his brainchild.
ARIA stands for Advanced Research Institute.
I can't remember the last A.
But it was modeled on DARPA in the U.S., which is the defense kind of black ops.
Intelligence agency.
The intelligence agency, yes, that does all of this weather control stuff.
Like, that's the kind of stuff that they would be embroiled with.
So Cummings wanted the equivalent in the UK, and ARIA is the acronym for that.
Again, people, please double-check this.
A-R-I-A, Dominic Cummings.
You'll get a lot of answers.
He was funded with £800 million.
This is not a governmental organisation.
Who was it? Peter Thiel.
Who funded it?
Who?
Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer.
But with taxpayer money?
Yes.
Right.
But it's not a government organisation.
It has very little oversight.
It seems like it was a bit of a sweetener to Cummings.
Okay.
If you're conspiratorially minded.
Which you are.
Which I just like to say I'm joining the dots.
so now how do we find out what area are up to well you can't you you go to their website and
it's very airy fairy and this that and the other thing whatever the just recently within the last
six months and we're recording what now august 2025 uh there was a huge petition that went around
the uk and that just it was simply named ban all forms of geoengineering in the united kingdom
if you get 10,000 signatures on any of these petitions, it has to, there's two levels.
It has to be acknowledged. 100,000, it has to be discussed or debated in Parliament. It has to go
to the floor. So it flew past 100,000 in a matter of, I think it was under a week. So I was watching
this very closely, and I wanted to see the kind of questions that were being asked. And they had
the usual goons in there and people did ask a question and I think it was Miliband that was
up there kind of batting it back. One person that was grilling Miliband about it was like,
so wait a minute, one second, you're going to tell me that we've all got to start like giving up
farmland to solar farms so we can get more energy but at the same time you're attempting to block
the sun. Like, you know, what are you actually doing? And you'll find that on YouTube as well.
but the official response after from the government,
when you went on to go to the,
I'll send you the link so you can put in the show notes,
you go to the petition page,
and then a petition page has the official response from the government,
and you have to expand it,
and you read it all the way through,
and we deny that this is going on,
this isn't going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and then the final paragraph is,
well, that isn't to say that ARIA,
A-R-I-A, we acknowledge the fact that ARIA are running geoengineering projects under their mandate or this, that, and the other thing, whatever, to cool the planet.
Really?
No way. And then there is more. And then you'll find actually there was 57 million pounds of the ARIA budget attributed to running projects to block the sun in the UK.
And this is documented in the BBC and all of the other newspapers.
And this is where it just starts getting really freaking crazy because you're like, what? These lunatics actually believe.
I don't believe this tech works. I think it's absolute, complete and utter nonsensical.
Because what I think actually happens, it warms the planet. Because as you know, if there's cloud
cover, it's warmer on the ground than when it isn't. When you've got a really beautiful, dark,
starry sky, it's cold outside. Everybody knows that. You know it. You've sat under the stars
right next to your campfire. That's the way it works. So again, what they're telling us doesn't
make any sense at all. But what you'll see is when you see these, these crisscross patterns appear
over the sky, and now we've talked about this and hopefully listeners listening to it,
they might start seeing this over the next two or three months. What's going to happen is slowly
over the next six hours or so, they're going to slowly spread. And that's going to cause like this,
like a weird silver lining, right? We're back to that. It doesn't make clouds then. It doesn't
It just creates some invisible barrier there.
Exactly.
And when you see it, you're like, huh, yeah.
I just thought that was overcast.
And this is the thing.
You just think it's overcast.
I don't understand, though, why that's not being made public.
Because it's a climate change thing.
The government love bloody climate change.
Why aren't they saying we're doing all this work to...
For yourself.
Yeah.
Why are they only just saying it now?
Oh, are they saying that?
That's what they're saying now.
Oh, right.
That's what they're saying.
What they're saying now is we are actively pursuing ways to reflect the sun.
So this is only one method.
The other method they do is called marine cloud brightening,
where they'll have boats, huge boats go out with great big tanks
and just blow like fake cloud up into the atmosphere.
And I don't know if you've ever watched, there's a clip,
just Jeremy Clarkson, NASA weather control.
And it's a clip from the early 90s
where he does a documentary
on how NASA are creating rain clouds
with this exact technology
that they use out on boats,
marine cloud brightening technology
in order to reflect the sun
back away from the planet.
So they find all of these clever ways
to like deliver it to the public
without actually telling you you know exactly what going on But what the conspiracy there though What the real Tim Foyle hat conspiracy Because you could argue that that just stupid people
stupid scientists, stupid government people.
With all of this stuff, follow the money.
Now most people are probably thinking,
oh, he's going to say, yeah, so we all get dumbed down
and they can control us.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It's the aliens and whatever else.
There is an element of that to it because you know, as anybody knows listening to this,
do you feel better on a bright, sunny, beautiful day than you do if it's just like overcast
and a little bit drizzly and whatever else.
But if you follow the money, and again, reading Kirby's book,
took me down these rabbit holes, we are talking hundreds of billions of dollars.
If you can control the weather, first of all, the Iranian president,
The Iranian president very, very famously, I think he might have been unalived in a plane crash or something since, but he very famously said something along the lines of the United States of America have stolen our rainwater.
So again, please go and check that.
You just Google that and you'll find it very widely reported.
So it brings us back to weather warfare.
But if you follow the money as well, you have big ag, right?
Huge amounts of money tied up in big ag.
You're talking vast amounts of soybean crops, corn crops, wheat crops, and whatever.
So what do they need?
Well, they need water, and they need sunlight.
So why would that be of interest if somebody could control the outcome of another country's crop or harvest?
now you can see where all of this lunacy starts driving we're we're doing it to ourselves though
you were talking about you know we're we're we're trying to deflect the sun but and that's obviously
having an effect on our crops as well because crops need sun 100 years so but so where's so
i'm saying where's the conspiracy is the conspiracy just some people in government trying to do what's
right or what they think's right or is it is it the lizard people you know or whatever no i i think
it's uh i think it's people uh if you take it all the way back again look i i can't answer you
because it is so complex and it is so layered and this is with decades and decades into this
uh i think there's a few things going on i think you have the um what i just explained follow the
money and there's another element to follow the money and i didn't even know this and i worked in
financial markets and I saw Enron go down. Most people listening to this are going to remember
the collapse of Enron. Enron were running a weather derivatives market. I had no idea this
existed. Weather derivatives? Weather derivatives. Literally betting on what's going to happen.
You've got Wall Street betting on the weather. And the weather derivatives are directly correlated
to commodity derivatives.
So you've got the huge commodity markets.
You remember the old videos,
trading places you've probably watched,
whether you're in the wheat pit
or you're in the corn pit or whatever else.
We are talking hundreds of billions of dollars
of this market,
hundreds of billions of dollars.
Now, if you are a company
that has an open position
on a particular crop in a particular place,
and that's going to be like,
you know, very much in your interest
if it should happen to not rain in that place for the next two months,
would you be incentivized to pay a company,
a cloud seeding company or something or similar,
a weather control company to fly these missions over there?
Now, coming back to the Bitcoiners, it took me down this rabbit hole.
One of them was South African and Rick the Free, big shout out.
Rick the Freak.
The Free.
Rick the Free, okay.
So he told me he grew up in a very rural area.
in South Africa and around farmers all the time.
And it was his father that explained to him
that the insurance and reinsurance industry,
now we're following the money again,
they would pay companies, private companies,
to perform cloud seeding operations
in certain parts of the country
to make sure there was rain on the crops
that they had insured
so they wouldn't have to pay out the premium if the crops failed.
Fucking hell.
Like, you see how the dominoes start falling.
So when Enron collapsed, I can't remember who bought that whole business out.
It was probably one of the big, like JP Morgan, I don't know, whatever.
But they took over that whole weather derivative market.
So, like I said, you can't pin it on one thing.
but that's not to say it isn't happening.
And I just hope...
Individually, you can see these things are obviously happening
or whatever, if you check the sources.
I think the bit where a lot of people trip up is why they're happening.
And the conspiracy side of it,
I think the main conspiracy that ties all these things together
is there's a secret government running the world, isn't there?
That's the kind of, that's the big boss one.
And I don't know what I think about it.
I kind of, because I'm always going to, I'm trying to make,
I'm trying to think of it in terms of incentives.
Like, and I, you know, that whole secret societies
and people running the world thing,
it obviously makes sense because within your friend group,
you do a similar thing.
Like we'll say we're all Bitcoiners.
and you say your daughter needs a job and someone else goes oh yeah you know i'll sort you out mate
like you know that happens on on our level of course so that's going to happen at every level
that's going to happen at the trillionaire level and the trillionaires have access to a lot of more
of everything than we do so if a trillionaire wants to do something really dustedly they probably can
so and so and i could see that that's not a conspiracy that's a that's people doing business
And I often think that a lot of very wealthy and powerful people spend a lot of their days conspiring to maintain a powerful position.
And that's kind of, it's like risk analysis.
It's like, what, you know, what do we do to, and one of those things might well be keeping people oppressed.
Because if you're wealthy, the one thing that really gets in your way is people, isn't it?
like you can isolate yourself to a degree but we all know what's all know what happens when when
people get angry they mob together and they tend to kill or they tend to go after the people that
they think are the ones who have got everything you know yeah so it's just like risk risk analysis
you know it's like right let's in order to maintain these positions of of privilege i suppose i don't
And how do you do that through monopolization, right?
So you crush as much of the competition that you possibly can.
Yeah.
And so that's basically crony capitalism.
Is that exactly what you just explained?
Yeah.
But the thing where I actually,
the thing that a lot of people are interested in,
and I am actually, if I'm honest, really interested in is,
the other stuff, the kind of the Alex Jones stuff.
because interestingly you know Alex Jones is an interesting character right we all know he's he's
for a long time he was considered completely crazy but there was a big signal that happened
in the world that made me realize that possibly he's not as crazy as a thing and that was when
he got cancelled like why do you cancel someone that crazy like it seems illogical you're basically
almost alluding to the fact that he's telling the truth right and obviously you know a lot of what
alex jones says is true he's a bit like david ike the same a lot of what he says is kind of provably
true where they both fall down but actually where they both agree as well is that the people running
it i mean alex jones in a similar way he says it's interdimensional beings you know which is
no it's actually what the same as what um you know and then so the big boss is like and even
like tucker carlson now i mean tucker carlson's a i suppose what you would call a legit journalist
formally at least and he said i heard i heard him say the other day it's a battle between
good and evil in a very spiritual sense and he said he said i don't need to know any more than
that all I know is it's a spiritual battle which is kind of like I think
exactly the same thing that David Ike's been saying for a long time and that's
the kind of big boss conspiracy I think the one that when you when you no matter
what you look at because all these things individually like you say you can
analyze and say yeah that's true I've seen that you know we can prove that but
the one thing it's very hard
to prove is is it interdimensional beings cause you know creating a matrix that keeps us you know
keeps us in the simulation or whatever yeah yeah i've not gone down those rabbit holes mate um
they've got those ones to come yeah do you know what the best one is right go on do you know
this is this is just there's a there's a bit of old footage on on the internet of um
there's a guy who worked at area 51 lazar uh what's his name um he's he's one of the only real
proven defectors from area 51 you know area 51 is and oh i can't remember i i could it says her
name's got a z in it i'm sure of it anyway um and he was being interviewed and it's pretty grainy
footage it's probably from the 80s or 90s i don't know and he was being pushed on something because
he said something along the lines of look i've seen this classified document and he said but i
can't even tell you it's just so ridiculous you know you're just going to say i'm absolutely crazy
and i'm not going to say anyway and he kind of tries to brush it aside and this bloke pins him
on it and he says all right i'll tell you but just realize this right i'm telling you this in pure
truth but you're going to tell me i'm crazy and he said that this document said that it's extremely
classified said that all religions basically had been invented in order to try and keep people's
bodies in good condition i don't kill don't maim don't fight or whatever but they were creating a
moral framework to try and protect human bodies because humans were basically just vessels for
souls being so they were being used as a sort of like holding ground so we are being used as a
holding ground for our soul and our soul is some very important thing that someone else is basically
kind of like farming right which is when you look at the alex jones stuff the david ike stuff
it's kind of the same thing and this was this was a guy an absolutely normal scientist type guy the
guy that that he also broke the story about like them having sort of alien technology and all this
kind of stuff but there's probably i hate to say it but there might well be some truth in it
I've got absolutely no idea. All I know is that many things that used to be completely outlandish are now absolutely provably true. And so why wouldn't the next one? And also, many of the things that we now talk about, like the fact that there's a genuinely large number of very reputable people who say we're living in a simulation.
you know like it's not it's not crazy to sit there and debate whether or not this is a simulation
you know this is now normal for people now either that's a psyop and that's all there to confuse us
and to because it does when you go into all this stuff it does have a bit of a numbing effect on
you doesn't it because it's like you talking to me about all this stuff i'm like by the end of it
i'm like well yeah maybe it's true what what am i going to do about it you know what am i going to
about chemtrails what am i going to do about this cloud seeding i don't know you know but but yeah
my money if i if i'm truly honest deep down is on the is on the interdimensional stuff there you go
i've said it love it mate but but like i will know i won't i will never pursue it with my whole i bit
like i i think that's probably true but why why bother pursuing i'm just going to carry on living
my life there's not there's not much i feel like worth doing but i do i do believe in that i do
believe in a spiritual aspect of everything and i do believe that um in the same way that people
oppress each other here i think as above so below or it's happening everywhere this battle is this
battle of power of freedom versus control happens everywhere and and when you do when you see the
cloud seeding stuff yeah sure it's like it's it's the last kind of end of the tentacle of of control
you know possibly it's that same force trying to control there's i think at least people like you
and me we we we're the we're the freedom people really we we want freedom for ourselves and
everyone we can see but there there are people who are the complete opposite of that and i've met
i've met some of them they don't they want to control you it's an an a strong and as strong an
urge as me wanting you to live free and have the best time is as strong that the urge to do the
complete opposite and it's probably the cycle of life there it's a yin and yang we're always going
to be fighting that battle um you know we're probably i don't know maybe i'm that's it now
give us those glasses mate but no i mean i i would if i would it's hard it's not that i would
wholeheartedly you know advocate for any of this stuff but if i was if you gave me the option to
bet on it i would bet that that's true you know but but you know it would be it would just be
it'd be like i would i would i would make a bet i wouldn't make a large bet on it i wouldn't lose
all my money on it but but it but it's so we're just souls running around in our in our meat suits
right that's uh basically what you're saying and i am well yeah but what's interesting about
a theory like that is when you look back at um religious texts you know most religions
speak roughly in the same terms about life um and you can i know you know the the battle of good and
evil is kind of a pretty old meme when you think about it so is um you know i don't know who was
talking to the other day we we um we were talking about things that happened in the year 2000 you
remember like oh right what you thought was going to happen no no not even that i mean like the
return of christ for example you know or the the coming of the you know the return of the messiah
or and i thought we were all going to have flying cars well what's a flying car mate
we're probably about to have flying cars actually i think the technology is probably about to
absolutely increase it at an exponential rate isn't it oh i forgot what i was talking about now
souls oh yeah yeah yeah um but but yeah the the there are many things that if you know like if
like for example if you look back historically some people have often described mythology and
spirituality as anything that was a void of some kind of scientific discovery it's a what is it an
ever decreasing bubble spirituality is an ever decreasing bubble of of what we actually know
about the world compared to what we what we think we know so in the past it's raining oh my god
that's the rain gods or whatever that's the brutal past now we that that that side of spirituality
obviously had to disappear because we know it's people seeding the clouds yeah um but but um but
But there are lots of things which most of the main religions and spiritual traditions have said.
Like, you know, very common one. We're all one.
Actually, this is all a bit of a myth and a dream.
And you and me, we're actually all one.
And what are we doing now?
We're creating an internet.
We're basically connecting ourselves all up together.
and we're only probably 20 years away from implanting that inside our own bodies
so that we're all connected, literally, telepathically, God knows what.
A lot of those sort of things, the traditions,
I don't know where I'm going with this now,
but there could be an element of truth in it.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm confusing myself now,
which is exactly what's supposed to happen when you get into
There's a bloody conspiracy theory, isn't it?
Now, I just did a very long episode with another Bitcoiner who goes by the name of Red Tail Hawk.
And it's the third time I've had him on the show.
And on this particular episode, he was talking about reincarnation.
So the idea of souls, the idea of that, you know, your body is just a vehicle for the soul.
And he linked this all back to the ancient Egyptians.
and he theorizes that the sarcophagus in the Grand Pyramid,
or all pyramids actually, around the world,
and you can find pyramids all around the world, it's not just Egypt,
that they were a form of what you know now as like a sensory deprivation tank which people will go and pay to do right And in those tanks you have Epsom salts I believe
which gives you a certain amount of buoyancy
and has all the good nutrients and magnesium
and whatever else that soaks in, and this is the idea.
And then you close the lid,
and you're in complete and utter total darkness,
and it's just you with yourself.
And he theorizes that this is what the ancient Egyptians were doing
to reach their higher selves and um you know open up their uh third eyes whatever they call it
now i've that works actually that that sensory deprivation thing does actually work you've done
it no i've done versions of it right but like it it does work as is as as does sitting in a cave
for two weeks and not seeing light for two weeks and things like that you know right once you take
away those things your sensitivities i've done it with food as well i fasted once for 10 days
just drinking water wow and by the so by the third or fourth day the actual pain of wanting to eat
just disappears and by the sort of sixth or seventh day you are hyper aware and funnily enough by the
tenth day because i started doing it with four friends and all three of the other three dropped
out and by the end it was just me and like this was in Thailand years ago and I I realized well
what I thought which is obviously me I was probably a little bit insane at the time but
that I didn't need to eat anymore I was like you know I didn't you know I thought why why go back
to eating and actually the reason I went back after 10 days was because I missed the social
aspect of sitting around and eating but I really did believe that I don't need to eat anymore
i'm fine i was super vibrant i was really i was really like very aware of everything super
switched on you know um and i think the same thing happens when you deprive yourself of a lot of
things it kind of you don't realize just how much food is really dumbing you down and weighing you
down and sort of like this quagmire of it desensitizes you so if deprivation of certain
things heightens our senses what are we depriving ourselves of today well i mean i would say lots
of things like light emfs you know i mean you know like where i live there's no wi-fi right
yeah unless i switch it on right and i like that because i've heard a few things about wi-fi not
being good for you and then i thought jesus i just come here if you turn your phone on mate
there are 50 wi-fi networks here right now um is that good for you no it's definitely not good
right but but so i mean do you feel it i can't i don't necessarily feel it i don't think but
we're filling it at a cellular level but we some people are hyper there's a great book on this it's
called the invisible rainbow uh and um he was uh what you'd call like uh hypersensitive and uh
Furstenberg, I think his name is.
And I've put onto this book by a couple of other Bitcoiners
and Jack Cruz as well.
And he talks about what we're surrounded by right now.
Yeah, you've got Wi-Fi boxes above us, below us, next to us.
You can see it on my phone.
It's wild.
But the point is I'm worried about one Wi-Fi network where I live,
which switches off at 10 o'clock every evening and turns on at 8
because I think, well, we're asleep, probably not a good idea.
And then I'm sleeping here.
There's probably 14 Wi-Fi networks blasting my brain with something.
And what's his name?
Kennedy in the US.
He does actually say that.
Now, he's a lawyer slash high up in the government.
And he says, yeah, Wi-Fi is bad for you.
Like, why wouldn't I believe him necessarily?
Why would I believe the Wi-Fi company that says it's fine?
It's fine, bro.
It ain't fine.
No, it's definitely bad for you, isn't it?
Yeah, the non-native EMFs are shockingly bad for you.
And it can be linked to all kinds of modern-day problems,
ADHD being one of them because you're just hyper the whole time.
Cancers, obviously, another big one.
I don't know how you fight it other than you can wear EMF-blocking clothing now.
You can fight that.
So it's not just your brain, it's like your body.
Yeah, like you're at the cellular level all over your body is being, yeah, perturbed, mate.
There's a great Twitter, another Bitcoiner called, it's just Rusty on Twitter, he's an Indian guy.
He does a lot of great visuals and education about what's going on.
Like the smart meters, like the smart meters in the UK.
like those things are emitting like ridiculous amounts of non-native emfs into the atmosphere
and um you get forced into putting those in your house and it's not just so you know we can you know
you can save money on how much electric like they don't care about that that's the last thing they
care about so what are the other what are the other reasons that they're doing it so i don't know
once again i come back to the that's isn't that just people making the technology like i don't
know what's your what's your stance on the on the big conspiracy true or not like is is is and and
i mean is it is there someone is there a secret government running the world or a secret group of
people i think i think it's very overt uh you have the bilderberg group you have the club of rome
you have the wef these these are all like the very much they want the same thing but as in one
world government world governance yeah which is weird when you think about bitcoin being a global
currency but they can't control that do you want to hear something weird mate yep first conversation
i had when i came here um i've been on this interesting journey uh recently you know we
bought we bought our new place and we basically we couldn't afford to buy it what we wanted done up
so we bought as we've always done as we get higher and higher up the property ladder we buy something
and do it up for the first time in my new house i was looking around the other day thinking what's
the point in doing this up what is the point you know what's the point in plowing money into this
which could end up being a liability for me.
Plus, obviously, if I had spare money,
there's no way I would put it into property.
And it may, you know what I thought?
You will have nothing and be happy.
Yeah.
Right.
But there's an element of that going on.
It's true.
I mean, it's not that you will have nothing.
It's that you will have Bitcoin and be happy.
But really, my mind, I was a bit worried.
I'm like, am I agreeing with Klaus here?
Is this a good thing?
You know, because it makes more sense to rent a house
and have none of the responsibility or bullshit.
Because really, owning a house is a bit of a scam.
That's another rabbit hole to go down probably,
especially now.
You know, house prices don't go up,
your money devalues,
and I'm not even sure they beat inflation.
And the cost of upkeeping a house is massive.
And by the time you sell it and pay the tax
and blah, blah, blah,
how much actually, you know,
the myth that property is a great investment,
probably not true.
um so so yeah maybe maybe they're on something i i've always thought right yeah
you will own nothing and be happy as bad because you need to own stuff this is that you're an
individual you should own things but what bitcoin is doing is making you realize there's nothing
else worth owning because a it can all be become a liability to you really in this day and age
like things in the real world especially big things that don't move like houses are actually
a ball and chain around you um but but that's a scary thought because that is quite similar to
what the world economic forum want you to think yes uh so this brings us on to uh a loyal title
and you spell that word a double l o d i a l and uh this is another rabbit hole if you want to go
down it a loyal title so i'm gonna guess what it is it's like we don't own anything you don't own
anything yeah you've got let's hear it let's hear it so a loyal title basically the definition is
you know you have true and complete ownership over the thing that is a loyal title that is
yours and no question.
And the only thing we can have true
a loyal title over today is Bitcoin.
If we're talking about investable assets is Bitcoin.
So, and this is where it gets pretty dark
because people are going to think, well, you know,
I own my house, you know, well,
most people probably have a mortgage on their house So that means in essence the bank owns the house You just have a claim on the property and you are the registered keeper of that property Most people
are going to say, well, I bought my car. If you've not used the loan agreement, then I went out and I
bought that car for £10,000 from the dealer with cash. That's my car. Well, the first thing that
that dealer does is change the V5 form for you. If you're in the UK, it depends what country you're
in the form is going to get filled out and that is going to be registered in the course of the in
the in the case of the uh the uk with the dvla you registered the car with the dvla it even says
black and white on your v5 form that you are the registered keeper you're not the owner you're
right registered keeper they are the owner of the car really you are the registered keeper is that
what it means yes and you are the driver and this comes under the universal commercial code because
everything we've been trapped into doing is under commercial code you are a business tim allen in
all capitals because when you were born your mother and father did the right thing that they
thought they were doing and when you were born in what's called a foundling hospital which is a
jurisdiction of the of the state they filled out a birth certificate and that birth certificate
they registered your birth and when they registered their birth they registered you over to the state
so this is why the state believes that all of us are chattel which is another word for cattle
so the own you will own nothing and be happy is already here but but in reality
no one's claiming ownership over me or my children are they no and also no social services turn up on
your door because you've not been following the rules and or you've tried to homeschool you've
tried to do you've tried to take them out but those people don't know about a low deal sorry
what's it called a lloydial title they don't know about all your titles they just know that their
the state is bigger than you and that they've got more power so when when so this is something that
people will be able to, you know, latch on to. If you want to, in the UK, again, sorry,
this is very UK specific, but we're both from that country, and this is what we know,
and people have probably seen these headlines. But if you want to take your child out of school,
if you sent your child to state school, you register at the state school, so they are registered
again uh you've given up that um agency over them they are now the under the uh the school's um
rules that's why you can't take them out two days before the summer holidays start without being
fined because you've registered you don't you are not their owners they are owned by that
institution this is so dark that it's just once again like it's all very well but try taking that
to court and saying you own i own your kids it's like no you don't no one's gonna no one's gonna
no jury's gonna say yeah that's true are they they might say that social services take kids
all the time well they would justify it because the kids are being i'm not sure they evoke the
a loyedial title no because you don't you you yourself have had people come around to your house
in france and a number of times social services yeah because you homeschool your kids yes
i mean that is is insane it completely insane because to for for us to when we when we first
moved to france we wanted to get the kids uh immersed that the whole idea the whole reason
dare I say the raison d'être for us to live in France was to get the kids speak in another
language Claire and I we we we decided if we could give our kids the ultimate gift what would it be
it would be the ability for them to speak another language be bilingual at the very minimum if
they're bilingual that's probably going to unlock a whole different part of their brain so we decided
we we were home swapping in a house sitting in France at the time we'd been there for three
months. We loved it. We had a great time. We just got a long-term rental. We stayed for a year,
then we stayed for another year, and we get the kids into the local, there was a nice Montessori
school. Still, you had to do all the registration process and all of this stuff. So even with a
British passport, you go in and you sign the forms. I didn't know this at the time. I've only learned
this recently. But I'm registering them now to a French state institution. So I've moved them from
my complete ownership because nobody knew we'd been traveling for two and a half years.
Nobody knew where we'd lived. Nobody knew where we'd come from. It wasn't any kind of
jurisdictional nonsense. And they'd been around us for the last two and a half years.
Their births had been registered in Singapore. And now we were in France, but with a British
passport. So just weird family. But then you sign all those papers and then they become
under the BDI of the French state.
So when it came to us wanting to take them out of school during COVID
because we were not down with sending them into school
to stand two metres apart from each other and wear a mask
and all of this kind of nonsense,
and they could speak French by then anyway,
well, no, you're out, you're going on to an online school,
and you're done.
You'll keep the language up.
You've still got your French friends.
You could go to the birthday parties, horse riding, football,
whatever it was you're doing.
but then you have to come out of that system is very difficult now you have to start all of the
paperwork and this is where the state stand around their little state bots known as social services
to come and visit like well what kind of family are you and they'll have this whole
checklist of things that they've got to check off you know do they have the tools available to them
Do they have a place to sit with their desk?
Do they have access to a computer?
Look, all of this kind of basic stuff,
where they'll come around and go through this checklist
and then leave again.
Now, they were very nice people, and that's great.
And they come and they saw,
and we had very good conversations with them.
And we were in a small enough town
where we actually knew some of the social workers
because I worked out with one of the ladies at the gym.
That's embarrassing, Evo, isn't it?
Absolutely. But now that's not to say that if you have the wrong kind of people with some kind of power complex that come around and say, what are these British people doing living in our countryside, taking up one of our houses?
You can just imagine the kind of thought processes that might go through somebody else's head.
Like these are not fit parents to homeschool. Therefore, we're going to make life difficult for them.
Therefore, this is going to happen. Therefore, you get served a notice.
kids back in the school within two weeks or else they will be taken and the this is the kind of
stuff that's written actually out in the forms that gets sent to you so you don't even have how
many times they come around uh twice they would do like uh 18 month visits i think just to check
that you are like what to check what to check like i think about it i guess like the edge cases are
you know you're abusing the children or they're starving in the corner or you know whatever um
but they're not there to check that they're probably there to check that you're educating
them right yes and that had to be done this was again this is a big problem did you but yeah that's
a good question actually were you allowed to just teach them however you wanted no so even as a
homeschooler you had to teach the way they wanted you to this is why we don't live there anymore
because they would the kids would then have they would be invited uh let's say summoned uh to
a once a year uh control control uh examination where they would be interrogated for want of a
better word by five different teachers it'd be a geography history guy it'd be um what testing
their knowledge and stuff language uh hit uh maths science and one else which is escaping me
right now it'll come back to me um and they would have to go with all of the like all the
homeschool kids from the department would have to go and they would all turn up and you've got to
take the the tools and the textbooks and things that you are using to teach at home and they
expected you to follow the exact curriculum like by the exact textbooks so when we turn up we're
like well here's their laptops and here's all the stuff that we do with them and it's all
oh no no no no no we need the paper and uh like you know they're very much like what they they
expect you to study the same books just at home yes highly regarded yes that's completely regarded
I can't say the word.
It's my podcast.
Right.
But come on.
And if you fail that control which our kids did because they weren doing the thing then you be invited back to get a second chance so we were having all of this to and fro and uh paperwork going you know did you what did you
get them to sort of like just learn a load of crap and take some books in then uh so we we would
just prep for you know the the week it was like classic exam prep like a week and a half before
it's like right let's just get knuckled down now let's do areas let's do um pythagoras let's do
you're practically at school at that point exactly you're just subjecting them to to what you're
trying uh and then and then you would turn up and in front of that so lauren uh was just absolutely
grilled by this old hag of a biology teacher.
She was really awful.
And Laurence French is very, very good,
even though you can still pick up on the accent
and you know that you're speaking to.
So first of all, the parents were allowed to sit there,
but you weren't allowed to say anything.
Wow, that must have hurt.
Just ridiculous.
And these are the rules.
And I even started talking once,
and the teacher told me off for speaking,
and like, no, I'm speaking to.
And I'm like, you people are so far gone.
So when you're dealing with these people,
if you're dealing with a 45-year-old teacher,
you're dealing with somebody that hasn't left that institution
since the age of five.
They're gone.
Like you are literally talking to an agent smith.
And they might be there for all the best intentions,
but they just don't understand the programming that they're going through
and the pain and the trauma that they're putting the kids through.
The fact that we had to drive an hour there, you know,
out of our way and all of the cramming that they've done before.
So anyway, she's sitting there with, I remember this vividly,
she's sitting there with the textbook in front of her,
the full-on beautiful color textbook.
She hands Lauren a photocopied page from this textbook
and starts asking her questions about photosynthesis.
And she knew it.
Like, we'd gone through photosynthesis.
Isn't that hard?
And then at the bottom of the page, there were two pictures.
There was a picture of a dead plant and a picture of an alive plant.
and the question was simply which plant is alive so lauren just said yeah so yeah lauren just said
the picture's black and white they both look the same oh right i thought you meant one was
shriveled up on right so like clearly that one is you know the better one but you know you can't
tell the photosynthesis process because of the black and white picture and that pissed the teacher
her off and then she starts like really getting dialed down into her and asking her very very
difficult questions to the point where she got up and walked away after the 15 minutes in
interrogation and just lost it just cried just broke down and i i it was at that point that
claire and i decided well you know again this comes back to uh you know stepping in as parents
having ownership over your children and we called across the direct trees and we're like that this
is completely uncalled for.
Why is my daughter standing in the middle of this auditorium in tears?
This doesn't happen at home.
I bring her into this institution and look at this.
This is what is being bred.
What do you want to say?
Yeah, come back for the next test because she hasn't passed it.
That was the paperwork that came through.
Now, the lady at the time, the directrice, she was very comforting.
oh it's okay it doesn't matter it's fine you know blah blah blah blah blah blah very human touch but
then that human touch gets completely lost when the marking gets passed to the next bureaucracy
level and that bureaucracy level writes out all the reports and that gets passed to the next
bureaucracy level and they're the ones that send out the summons uh mate you know it was people
think uh look i'm just saying no country's perfect and there is no utopia anywhere for uh
for us all to escape to as much as i would love to think the free cities are you know doing the
groundwork for us all to find the perfect citadel and maybe that is uh well even honduras faced its
problems and uh and hopefully that's all getting uh it does appear to be turning around yes amazing
a massive amount of investment which arguably was coming anyway uh the government are almost
certainly on their way out in september october time i think um but but i hear what you're saying
i i i don't think free cities is i don't think free cities fix this i think um because what i
think fixes it is competition but governance competition that's what i think fixes it
and because I think free cities can be whatever you want you could get terrible places and you
can get great places the point is you need some kind of freedom to choose and to opt in and to
decide where you want to be and and obviously living in a place where they knock on your door
because your kids aren't at school is not the kind of place you want to live I mean you did the right
thing you voted with your feet but I would say you walked out of the frying pan into the fire
really we'll see what happens for the next few years well yeah yeah well let's talk about that
look we we should we should wrap it up soon we've been we should we should be going out for dinner
which we are and i'm coming with you i go um what what do you do though like have you what's your
what's your plan long term without you don't have to give it away but how are you thinking about all
this because i think about it all the time and things are changing and i'm looking at the uk
again thinking oh my god and i'm almost feeling do you remember that do you remember doing covid
when people were going insane and telling you insane things to your face and stopping you from
going into shops and stuff and i'm seeing the little twinges of the insanity coming back i'm
looking at i'm going online and i can't access a website unless i go get around it with a vpn you
I know, but so what are you thinking?
I have my thoughts about what the long-term strategy is and stuff.
What about you?
I just think we have to stay nimble.
I think having that, this is the beauty of Bitcoin.
I mean, it was inevitable we would talk deeper about Bitcoin, I think.
That's the true opt-out, right?
That is, so control, right?
We're coming back to this idea of control.
Is there people trying to socially engineer us into doing certain things?
Undoubtedly, yes.
We know that for a fact.
That's not a conspiracy.
If people haven't figured that out through going through the lockdowns and all the nudge units and everything else, the propaganda that was globally coerced,
I don't think anybody with a right mind can turn around and say, no, that was just what are you talking about?
That was a conspiracy theory of all theories, right?
How do we conspire together to get the whole globe locked down and taking medical shots?
You're right.
It is.
There weren't many places left that didn't get.
No.
Yeah.
So we are talking about, you know, pure social engineering.
And what's the best way?
The two most effective levers to socially engineer people is through money.
because medium of exchange is what makes the world go round.
Like our species wouldn't be where it is today
if we had not fallen upon the discovery of using a medium of exchange
to communicate value to each other.
And this happened way back in the caveman times, right?
We were sitting around the bonfire telling stories
and doing bartering and whatever else.
Then all of a sudden it's like, oh, wow.
Like if we use this beautiful, scarce looking, portable, durable thing as a medium of exchange, then maybe that will explode global trade.
And sure as shit, it did.
So without medium of exchange, we are nothing.
And we have that medium of exchange that we're forced to use, fiat currency.
And you and I have to use the pound.
Others have to use the euro.
Others have to use the dollar or the yen.
And that is just an incredibly effective way to socially engineer people into doing things that they necessarily wouldn't do.
Follow the incentives, misaligned incentives.
We've talked about this.
You know, how do you close down a bunch of businesses and create more monopolies and wealth at the top?
Well, what I know.
Should we lock everybody down and cripple supply chains and then pump as much money into the system as we can possibly get away with?
So you collapse the amount of goods and services in the economy at the same time, raising the amount of money, fiat currencies, excuse me, in the economy.
What's going to happen? You're going to cause like this huge inflation of prices.
Wages won't keep up with that. You are you've literally socially engineered people into feeling the desperation that they currently feel at the moment.
And they don't know where to look. And now you're getting the Internet shut down on people in the UK.
and you're getting all of this social engineering coming through the algorithms of your
in air quotes, social media platforms. And like, this is happening. And the other way that you can
control and socially engineer people is through the education system. Because you take a man,
if you take a boy, give me a boy until the age of seven, and I'll show you the man,
is what Socrates said. And we're giving our kids up to these entities, younger and younger.
and that is away from the family unit that is a traumatic experience giving your child up the
child doesn't know little johnny doesn't know that he's four and a half on a wednesday and
then five on a tuesday and that means he's got to go to school come september and he wakes up one
morning on a monday he's wearing shit he has no idea why the hell am i wearing this stuff what's
this bag on my back why am i in the car at 8 a.m at this door with this strange people and like who
Well, these other hundred, you can't, it doesn't matter how many weeks in advance you tell little
Johnny, oh, you're going to big boy school on Monday. Monday isn't a thing in that little kid's
mind. It doesn't add up. So that is a traumatic experience. And then you are just programmed
through that next 15 years. So these are the two tools. So if we can opt out both of those,
then we start recreating society and you give yourself way better to communicate value with each other again It takes it way back to the basics here
So opting out, stop using their money and stop giving your kids up at the altar.
And stay nimble because I think that's really good advice.
I think over the, not, not necessarily forever, but certainly there's, if ever, if ever there was a time to be nimble, it would be over the next sort of 30 years, you would have met or something.
I don't know.
It just feel, it does feel like the time to be on your toes, doesn't it?
And not, and not embedding yourself necessarily in one place, unless you're absolutely sure, you know, what's about to happen, which I don't think anyone does.
No. So we're not sure what's going to happen, where we currently are. We're renting a house. We love it. We really enjoy living there. We're very comfortable. And we know that if all of a sudden there was something needed to change, we could change it.
Uh, you know, you literally could be, you could leave the next day.
You'd have to like email the landlady and come up with something, and it's
going to cost you some exit fee or whatever else, but you are, you know what I mean?
You're gone.
You you can have a moving firm come in and pack your gear up for you And like you know you are nimble and um that the way we want to be for the next couple of years And then just read the signs watch the signals listen to your heart
get back to trusting your gut is the best way
and tune out to the noise as much as you can.
That's the way we've operated for the last handful of years.
certainly since COVID.
Hmm.
And I think I'm going to leave it there, mate.
I think that's a good place to end.
Well, thank you.
Don't use their money.
Hold on a minute.
Don't use their money.
I'm just going to reiterate.
Don't use their money.
Don't sacrifice your kids at the altar of education
and stay on your toes for the next few years.
And stack stats.
That's number one.
Yeah, stack stats.
Stay humble, stack stats.
But Tim, thank you very much.
What you're doing is very important.
And I really appreciate you and your work at the Free Cities.
And having to get to know you over the last five years or so has been a privilege and a pleasure.
And I appreciate it. Thank you.
And you, mate. I do very much appreciate our friendship.
Is it five years, really?
2020, we signed. November 2019 is when we first had that call with Safer Dean on his course.
Weird, isn't it?
Yeah How things have changed It really has I mean I can believe Do you remember talking about 100K Bitcoin Do you remember that Do you remember how stupid that sounded
and how there was going to be a big party at Sailor's House and stuff?
Yeah.
And then suddenly you're at Sailor's House at a 100K party going,
is this real?
Yeah.
And all the other stuff, ETFs.
I remember people talking about that.
I remember people saying it's going to a million,
it's going to 10, then it's going to one,
it's going to 10, it's going to 100, now it's going to a million.
Now everyone admits openly it's going to a million.
Everyone, like NBC, like Trump, I don't know who.
It's not weird to say that stuff out loud.
It's bizarre.
It wasn't that long ago.
It really wasn't.
Think of an eye.
Yeah, more.
Good luck anyway.
And thanks for coming in again.
Cheers, mate.
Appreciate it.
I enjoy these little chats.
I think this time I literally have come across way crazier than you.
Well, let's go get some dinner.
Yes, nice one.
Thank you, mate.
Nice one.
Thank you.